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Old 10-09-2017, 03:40 PM   #1
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Blade Runner 2049 (Spoilers)

This movie deserves its own thread, since there's a ton of wildly different opinions on it.

I thought it was a cinematically beautiful movie that was about 45m too long, had some really great moments that fully recreated much of the magic of the the first movie's setting, introduced some interesting ideas and plot points that were ultimately unsuccessfully explored. I left feeling pretty let down by the ending.

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Old 10-09-2017, 06:31 PM   #2
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Blade Runner was as hard boiled detective movie with no mystery, no plot, character development and no chemistry between the leads.


Blade Runner 2049 is that but just remove all the no's from the statement. It also redeemed the original.

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Old 10-09-2017, 09:49 PM   #3
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I agree with both above. It was entertaining throughout with a weak ending. Really, though, there were a couple of areas where I was wondering why the characters would do some of the things they were doing. And, for the amount of time devoted to Harrison in the ads, he was in a surprisingly little part of the movie.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:52 PM   #4
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If you approach it as a new movie, and not a sequel, Deckard is ancillary to the main story.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:53 PM   #5
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If you approach it as a new movie, and not a sequel, Deckard is ancillary to the main story.
I agree. Really, he was kinda unnecessary almost. But, you'd have never guessed that from the previews was my point.
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:20 PM   #6
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Hmmm I'm gonna stop reading until I watch it.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:24 PM   #7
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Saw it today. Was so damn good I had to pee for the last hour of the movie, but I couldn't miss a second of the film.

I don't recommend doing that. Thought I was going to hurt myself.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:28 PM   #8
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I agree. Really, he was kinda unnecessary almost. But, you'd have never guessed that from the previews was my point.
Well it was his child that was the center of the plot

My favorite part was how it redeemed the first movie by adding a retcon and still maintained the ambiguity.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:16 PM   #9
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Well it was his child that was the center of the plot

My favorite part was how it redeemed the first movie by adding a retcon and still maintained the ambiguity.
My thought was that it wouldn't have been hard to have the same movie without him.
Instead of it being specifically his child, it could have just been the child of replicants, for example.

What was the retcon? I have not seen the original in a long, long time.
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What 2049 has over the original is 'actual detective work'.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:40 PM   #11
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I saw it last Friday and absolutely loved it. I had high hopes and it exceeded them. It's a shame that the movie is considered a failure financially. Not enough super heroes, I guess.
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My thought was that it wouldn't have been hard to have the same movie without him.
Instead of it being specifically his child, it could have just been the child of replicants, for example.

What was the retcon? I have not seen the original in a long, long time.
All the Replicants in the original had a limited life span. Deckard could not have been a replicant by those rules. The movies starting text dump explains that there are long term models.

You know, this movie takes a lot from French comics, mostly from Jodorowski's work.

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Old 10-29-2017, 12:44 AM   #13
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Saw it, was average. Jared Leto's character was overwrought faux-deepness, portrayed by a mediocre (on his best days) actor. That role felt like it was written by a 13-year-old who thinks the Matrix has depth (hint: it doesn't). I literally cringed and moaned when he was on screen. How the hell does this guy get roles anymore?

Also, the "resistance" was unnecessary, and felt tacked on to give some sort of texture to the plot. Not needed, and the movie suffered because of it. Remove them, streamline the plot, give that screen time to other plot threads. And, for the love of god, trim that thing unless you're going to make that extra time worth it. Movie length does not equal quality, for Keck's sake.

1-10, with five being a true average, I'd give this a 7, mostly for the art direction.
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:51 AM   #14
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The "resistance" part was necessary to tell K he wasn't special, and then show that he was capable of making his own decisions. They were only in the movie for like 30 seconds to do that. The movie did feel a little long (mostly because I had to pee for most of it), but that part was not the reason for it.
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Take away the resistance, and you take away the silly scenes with the hookers, the over-drawn sex scene, the silly "You have to kill Deckard" thread (silly, when K is more dangerous to their plans). Fully extract that sub-plot, and you remove much more than 30 seconds.

You sum up the problem yourself: they needed to be there for tell K he wasn't special. But actually, they didn't. It did nothing to serve the story, and it would have been much better if K had discovered this on his own. So their sole existence is a ham-handed plot device, nothing more.
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I mean if I would have written the movie there would be more robot dinosaurs and religious dogma, but that is neither here nor there.

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That's a valid point, tbh. I feel my critique wasn't terribly prescriptive, but taking what's there and omitting and shifting (I wouldn't add more dinosaurs).

But that's the nature of critique. Did the piece, as it was submitted, succeed? Sure, for the most part. But there is enough there that's not working that overall it brings the whole movie down.
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No I am saying "I would've" is not a criticism of the work, but insight into the mind of the critic.

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I admitted I wasn't being terribly prescriptive (you might feel differently, that's cool). Then remove those bits: a couple of subplots didn't work; parts of the dialogue were infantile; and some of the acting was overwrought. On the plus side. The art direction, cinematography, and sound design were fantastic. The film is still hampered by those negative bits.


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I loved the movie, but I also thought that there could have been three movies made out of the plots in this one: The central mystery involving the replicant child, the relationship and implications from the relationship between K and Joi (two artificial beings transcending their original design through love for each other), and the growing resistance and eventual downfall of the future slavery society.
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