welcome to the CoG network!
Colony of Gamers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Go Back   Colony of Gamers > Life Off Colony > Screen, Page and Song

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-17-2009, 02:05 AM   #21
BlackPete
Colonist
 
BlackPete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,962
Yeah that angle about the 13th tribe being all cylon was a pretty big loop... I imagine Roslin probably wanted to follow Dee to the grave after that revelation!

I can imagine that the double shock of Earth being a wasteland, and the 13th tribe being cylons would be enough to unhinge anyone because that's all they had to go on to keep surviving.
BlackPete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 09:14 AM   #22
zarathstra
Hoary Host of Hoggoth
 
zarathstra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Columbia, SC, USA
Posts: 1,875
Send a message via AIM to zarathstra
Does that mean...I'm a Cylon?
__________________
Comics, miniatures, RPG's, video games? Does anyone know how to live without food?

Wii: 5005 7050 7436 5446
SSB:B: 1504-9932-5744

XBL: tszarathstra
Steam: zarathstra
zarathstra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 12:21 PM   #23
Heresyte
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ink Asylum View Post
Thinking on it a bit more, the whole "Earth was populated by Cylons" dealie adds evidence to the theory that EVERYONE is descended from Cylons. A long, long, long time ago the first humans created Toasters, who fought the humans then created Fleshjobs, who evolved to believe they were humans then created new Toasters, who repeated the cycle.
Except the thirteenth tribe and the current skinjobs are biologically identical, and both are biologically distinct from the humans, otherwise the cylon tests wouldn't be able to distinguish between cylon skeletons and human skeletons.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 01:33 PM   #24
Ink Asylum
From the Ninth World
 
Ink Asylum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: NYC
Posts: 24,171
An explanation for that is the Earth-Cylons are at the same stage in the Toaster-Fleshjob-Human "evolution" cycle as the current Fleshjobs. If the modern Fleshjobs had succeeded in wiping out Humanity then continued to improve and possibly eventually breed it is likely they would have reached a point where they were biologically distinct from their current incarnation.

In this theory look at the Fleshjobs as Apes to our Humans. If Apes killed all Humans then left the planet, evolved to the point where they were Humans, forgot they were once Apes, then came back to Earth and discovered the remains of Apes, they wouldn't realize they were related.

Last edited by Ink Asylum; 01-17-2009 at 01:36 PM.
Ink Asylum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 01:38 PM   #25
zarathstra
Hoary Host of Hoggoth
 
zarathstra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Columbia, SC, USA
Posts: 1,875
Send a message via AIM to zarathstra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ink Asylum View Post
An explanation for that is the Earth-Cylons are at the same stage in the Toaster-Fleshjob-Human "evolution" cycle as the current Fleshjobs. If the modern Fleshjobs had succeeded in wiping out Humanity then continued to improve and possibly eventually breed it is likely they would have reached a point where they were biologically distinct from their current incarnation.

In this theory look at the Fleshjobs as Apes to our Humans. If Apes killed all Humans then left the planet, evolved to the point where they were Humans, forgot they were once Apes, then came back to Earth and discovered the remains of Apes, they wouldn't realize they were related.
Evolution doesn't really work that way...
__________________
Comics, miniatures, RPG's, video games? Does anyone know how to live without food?

Wii: 5005 7050 7436 5446
SSB:B: 1504-9932-5744

XBL: tszarathstra
Steam: zarathstra
zarathstra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 02:43 PM   #26
Stoke
Who?
 
Stoke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Little Rock
Posts: 3,513
Blog Entries: 1
Send a message via AIM to Stoke
If you believe what was said about the last supper picture released a while ago, Starbuck can't be the fifth. Moore said the last cylon was not in the picture so whatever is going on with her right now seems to be something else. Of course, that could have changed but it looks like Helen is the best candidate right now.
Stoke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 02:50 PM   #27
ShivaX
Extreme Moderate
 
ShivaX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,235
Send a message via Yahoo to ShivaX
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoke View Post
If you believe what was said about the last supper picture released a while ago, Starbuck can't be the fifth. Moore said the last cylon was not in the picture so whatever is going on with her right now seems to be something else. Of course, that could have changed but it looks like Helen is the best candidate right now.
And it also makes sense in that the empty glass is next to Tigh.

Shes the last cylon, which leaves the real questions: What the hell is Starbuck and whats with Baltar's head people? Neither of them are cylons, yet they've both done crazy crap. Starbuck being ressurrected and Baltar knowing things he shouldn't have known via people only he can see. Of course Caprica Six also has head people and one would assume theres a connection since Head Baltar is the same for both of them.
ShivaX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 02:58 PM   #28
Stoke
Who?
 
Stoke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Little Rock
Posts: 3,513
Blog Entries: 1
Send a message via AIM to Stoke
I'm hoping it doesn't dip into time travel or something like that to explain the five or Starbuck. The repeated mentioning of "2000 years" has me a little worried.
Stoke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 05:34 PM   #29
Siraris
Well-Hung Chap
 
Siraris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,320
The only explanation is that they are all Cylons.

How else do you explain Starbuck?

That's the whole big ending. They fought for all this time over Human vs. Cylon, and they are all the same species.
__________________
Gamertag: xSiraris
PSN: Siraris
Blog - Siraris.net


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ox
But as a quasi-sacramental act, the eating of the pickle is one that should only be performed with a calm mind and reverential demeanor.
Siraris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 05:42 PM   #30
MalReynolds
Demon of the North
 
MalReynolds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Mount Pearl Newfoundland
Posts: 4,838
Blog Entries: 3
Send a message via MSN to MalReynolds Send a message via Yahoo to MalReynolds Send a message via Skype™ to MalReynolds
so is it starbuck or Tie's wife ? all i wanna know
__________________
Live/PSN/Steam/NintendoID: Kaiblaker
Twitter:Mal__Reynolds
MalReynolds#1834

"It's so hard to play Halo 4 and masturbate at the same time."---Squidbot
MalReynolds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 05:45 PM   #31
Siraris
Well-Hung Chap
 
Siraris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,320
Quote:
Originally Posted by MalReynolds View Post
so is it starbuck or Tie's wife ? all i wanna know
I doubt it, and if she is, it would be really disappointing. Based on what we saw (Ty, Chief etc.) all looked the same in the flashback as they did presently. It would be pretty incongruous to have Starbuck be Ellen (especially since she was alive when Ellen was), go to Earth, crash land and die, and then be resurrected instantly as Starbuck and not Ellen. It just makes too little sense.

It makes much more sense that they are all Cylons.
__________________
Gamertag: xSiraris
PSN: Siraris
Blog - Siraris.net


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ox
But as a quasi-sacramental act, the eating of the pickle is one that should only be performed with a calm mind and reverential demeanor.
Siraris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 05:53 PM   #32
MalReynolds
Demon of the North
 
MalReynolds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Mount Pearl Newfoundland
Posts: 4,838
Blog Entries: 3
Send a message via MSN to MalReynolds Send a message via Yahoo to MalReynolds Send a message via Skype™ to MalReynolds
all cylons is what im goin with
__________________
Live/PSN/Steam/NintendoID: Kaiblaker
Twitter:Mal__Reynolds
MalReynolds#1834

"It's so hard to play Halo 4 and masturbate at the same time."---Squidbot
MalReynolds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 06:34 PM   #33
ShivaX
Extreme Moderate
 
ShivaX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,235
Send a message via Yahoo to ShivaX
Quote:
Originally Posted by Siraris View Post
The only explanation is that they are all Cylons.

How else do you explain Starbuck?

That's the whole big ending. They fought for all this time over Human vs. Cylon, and they are all the same species.
But cylons and humans are distinctly different, they came out and said it. The bones were all cylon bones, which means theres a difference between the two. Not to mention cylons can interface with computers directly and the rest of it.

They have a common and intertwined history that goes beyond what everyone knows, but they aren't the same species. Humans can't interface with machines or come back to life after death. Cylons can do all sorts of things humans can't as well (shared memories, etc).

So that theory doesn't work on any level.

I think its more along the lines of:

The Lords of Kobal left the planet to found the 12 colonies. At that point they had cylons, who went and colonized Earth. Someone killed the 13th tribe, probably humans. A very few survived and were somehow responsible for the current incarnation of cylons. Those cylons went and killed off the humans. Now there are humans and cylons looking for a new home to colonize (just like the Lords did so long ago). So its sort of a cycle. Humans kill the cylons, cylons kill the humans, both found new worlds, one kills the other and vice versa and then they found new worlds and it all starts over again.

Its not likely to be something as simple as "Humans and cylons are the same thing." They've proven time and again that they aren't. So far the show hasn't contradicted itself and its well thought out, so that answer doesn't make any sense at all given everything we've been shown up until now.
ShivaX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 06:48 PM   #34
Ink Asylum
From the Ninth World
 
Ink Asylum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: NYC
Posts: 24,171
Quote:
Originally Posted by zarathstra View Post
Evolution doesn't really work that way...
We're also talking about robot evolution, here, so it can work however the writers intend.
Ink Asylum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 06:56 PM   #35
Ink Asylum
From the Ninth World
 
Ink Asylum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: NYC
Posts: 24,171
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShivaX View Post
But cylons and humans are distinctly different, they came out and said it. The bones were all cylon bones, which means theres a difference between the two. Not to mention cylons can interface with computers directly and the rest of it.
There's also a difference between Toasters and Fleshjobs, yet one created, or evolved into, the other. We still have no idea how Cylons went from Toasters to Fleshjobs. Did they just build better and better robots?

BSG Humans can knock up Fleshjobs, so they're pretty close in physiology even if there's some difference they were able to detect in the bones they found. Humans and Fleshjobs even have linked dreams. Whatever difference there is between current Fleshjobs and Humans doesn't rule out Humans being some more refined version of older Fleshjobs, one that has all but completely left behind its robot origins and is now completely biological.

I still stand by my theory that the "all this has happened before and all will happen again" is Humans creating Toasters which create Fleshjobs which become Humans which create Toasters, etc.
Ink Asylum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 07:10 PM   #36
Crittias
The Professor
 
Crittias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: College Station, TX
Posts: 3,602
Blog Entries: 14
Dee picked up the jacks in the sand right before she freaked out, just like whats-his-name picked up the guitar, and Tigh found the remains of the bank, and Chief found his scorched shadow. Might she have suddenly had a memory of living on Earth, just like they did?
Crittias is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 07:16 PM   #37
GigaFuzz
Xbox Serial Killer
 
GigaFuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Glasgow, Scotland.
Posts: 1,057
Send a message via MSN to GigaFuzz
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crittias View Post
Dee picked up the jacks in the sand right before she freaked out, just like whats-his-name picked up the guitar, and Tigh found the remains of the bank, and Chief found his scorched shadow. Might she have suddenly had a memory of living on Earth, just like they did?
It's possible. It may just have been 'Aww damn, there were children playing here!', which was the way I took it, but I hadn't thought of it your way. That's interesting.
GigaFuzz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 07:23 PM   #38
Siraris
Well-Hung Chap
 
Siraris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,320
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crittias View Post
Dee picked up the jacks in the sand right before she freaked out, just like whats-his-name picked up the guitar, and Tigh found the remains of the bank, and Chief found his scorched shadow. Might she have suddenly had a memory of living on Earth, just like they did?
I think that was just symbolism. Perhaps something to do with destruction of innocence, or something as simple as taking back a souvenir.
__________________
Gamertag: xSiraris
PSN: Siraris
Blog - Siraris.net


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ox
But as a quasi-sacramental act, the eating of the pickle is one that should only be performed with a calm mind and reverential demeanor.
Siraris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 07:24 PM   #39
Crittias
The Professor
 
Crittias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: College Station, TX
Posts: 3,602
Blog Entries: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by GigaFuzz View Post
It's possible. It may just have been 'Aww damn, there were children playing here!', which was the way I took it, but I hadn't thought of it your way. That's interesting.
You are likely right, but given how sudden an unexpected her suicide was, I started rethinking her actions earlier in the episode.
Crittias is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2009, 08:48 PM   #40
BlackPete
Colonist
 
BlackPete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,962
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crittias View Post
You are likely right, but given how sudden an unexpected her suicide was, I started rethinking her actions earlier in the episode.
I thought the same thing, but then again Adama himself wanted to commit suicide by pushing Tigh into killing him, so... I dunno. I can certainly understand Adama and Roslin being pretty fucked up right now since they'd been leading people on with the hope of returning to Earth and All Will Be Good. Morale has got to be at an all time low and Dee basically had nobody so she wanted to go out with a bang while happy.

"Frak Earth" indeed.

Last edited by BlackPete; 01-17-2009 at 08:50 PM.
BlackPete is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:16 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
// Google Analytics - Must remain as a separate script // External Source Executed