PS3 Trophies Mandatory From January

[Orca]

Originally Posted by JAYoung

I have to say, Trophies don't carry the same allure as Achievements. I wonder if Sony will start to indicate on packaging which titles offer Trophy support?

They don't have the same allure because they're not consistent among all titles and there's really no equal to the way Achievements are instantly shared with friends. It's ridiculously easy to compare my Achievements to anyone I've played with or against, not something that's done with Trophies.

It doesn't help that the system was added late and really has that 'tacked-on' feeling.

[MagGnome]

Originally Posted by JayVe

Or Sony announces Home and avatars, then Microsoft actually DOES it first, tying your account to a virtual Mii.

Wait, who did that first?

[crazyD]

Originally Posted by JAYoung

I have to say, Trophies don't carry the same allure as Achievements.

Why would you say that? It's the exact same bullshit with a new name.

[JayVe]

Originally Posted by MagGnome

Wait, who did that first?

Yeah, yeah. The point is, Sony TELEGRAPHS all of these big decisions, but then does not ACT on them. They basically send up a huge flare saying, "Hey everyone! This is gonna be hot! Then leave the complete field wide open for other people to profit off of it.

In the YEARS that we've known about Home, Microsoft has re-built the whole damn Xbox 360 interface. How long have we known about it? 6 months?

Microsoft has even taken NEGATIVE aspects of the PS3, such as mandatory installs, and turned it into an ADVANTAGE with the 360's optional install feature in NXE.

Attention Sony: More Action, Less Hype. Shut your mouth and show me some results.

[Xydarc]

Originally Posted by JayVe

About freakin time.

I get so frustrated seeing news about "Game such-and-such is going to have trophy support!" All I can think about is how fucking backwards Sony has been with the whole generation. There is no excuse for not having trophies in EVERY game, from launch day. Sony saw what Microsoft was doing with achievements, and had PLENTY of time to counter with trophies BEFORE launch.

Instead, Sony makes promises about downloadable movies, which Microsoft then does first, and then does AGAIN even better using NetFlix. Or Sony announces Home and avatars, then Microsoft actually DOES it first, tying your account to a virtual Mii. Microsoft has read the Sony playbook again and again, and used it to influence their future decisions. HDMI now comes on every 360. You can optionally install games to the hard drive. Meanwhile Sony is talking, instead of DOING.

Sony needs to STFU, and start leading this generation instead of talking about leading, and letting others do it instead.

In case you can't tell, I'm HAPPY that trophies are mandatory... but UPSET that it took Sony this long (3 Years since we've all been collecting achievements!!!) to get their ass in gear.

Wow. You sir, are the master of the backhanded compliment. I'm surprised you even own a PS3.

[crazyD]

Originally Posted by Xydarc

Wow. You sir, are the master of the backhanded compliment. I'm surprised you even own a PS3.

He seems to hate everything about the system. I am surprised as well.

[OldJadedGamer]

Originally Posted by Orca

They don't have the same allure because they're not consistent among all titles and there's really no equal to the way Achievements are instantly shared with friends. It's ridiculously easy to compare my Achievements to anyone I've played with or against, not something that's done with Trophies.

It doesn't help that the system was added late and really has that 'tacked-on' feeling.

Also, there is an easy way to check them online through Xbox.com. Right this second while I'm at work, I can compare all my achievements with any of my friends and even send them a message from my PC to their Xbox bragging about them.

I feel the same way. For me it's how I check my achievements. When one pops up on the screen, I press one single button... my guide button and I instantly know what the achievement is, what I did to get it and so on. One more button press and I'm back in the game. With the PS3, I can't even count in my head how many buttons I would need to press in order to check the trophy and get back into my game. I'm guessing close to 10 or more.

You have to "sync" your trophies on PS3, they are not instant. I would brag to a buddy I got a trophy that he didn't and he was like "yeah, I got that one before I just haven't synced yet". I do look at the trophies and go out of my way to earn them but sometimes when I do earn them I miss the pop up on my screen.

I would say it's like the difference between having a Blu-ray add on for the 360 and comparing it to the PS3's built in player. It's very obvious that it's a tacked on feature and the fact that even first party titles were not patched to have them is very disappointing.

But...... better late then never right and if you can't beat them, join them. But it is another example how Sony is following and not leading this generation.

[Gorvi]

Originally Posted by Xydarc

Wow. You sir, are the master of the backhanded compliment. I'm surprised you even own a PS3.

This your first experience with Kamalot? If you ever see him say something positive about a Sony product, you write that shit down. It's a rare occurrence.

[JayVe]

Originally Posted by Xydarc

Wow. You sir, are the master of the backhanded compliment. I'm surprised you even own a PS3.

Seriously. What reason or EXCUSE is there for not having trophies in all titles before now? Honestly!

There isn't one. Sony had a whole damn year to look at the Xbox 360. They knew about achievements, and they didn't do a damned thing. To this day, and all through the rest of this year, Trophies are a tacked-on clusterfuck.

This shouldn't even be a news story, cause trophies should have been in there from DAY ONE. Every article about trophies is basically a big "We Fucked Up" message from Sony that they didn't have a damn clue about what people wanted.

[crazyD]

Originally Posted by JayVe

Seriously. What reason or EXCUSE is there for not having trophies in all titles before now? Honestly!

There isn't one. Sony had a whole damn year to look at the Xbox 360. They knew about achievements, and they didn't do a damned thing. To this day, and all through the rest of this year, Trophies are a tacked-on clusterfuck.

This shouldn't even be a news story, cause trophies should have been in there from DAY ONE. Every article about trophies is basically a big "We Fucked Up" message from Sony that they didn't have a damn clue about what people wanted.

Because it would be a dick move to force games that are in their final runs of dev work to tack on a stupid feature like this. I guess Sony didn't realize at first that people need a little icon for accomplishing stupid shit in games to enjoy them.

I don't see how trophies are any more tacked on then achievements. They are pretty much the exact same thing, except now I can not care about them on two systems.

[JayVe]

Originally Posted by Gorvi

This your first experience with Kamalot? If you ever see him say something positive about a Sony product, you write that shit down. It's a rare occurrence.

Maybe YOU are completely okay with the Sony juggernaut of the PS1/PS2 era flailing around like a spastic drunken asshole, but I DO NOT LIKE what Sony has become... arrogant and stupid. The Sony of today is NOT the same Sony that was EARNING my dollars in previous generations. Today, they seem more concerned with their movie business and protecting their own interests than serving customers.

Then again, when I DO post good Sony news here, people jump all over me for it thinking it is some kind of trap. So whatever. Some of y'all just bring this baggage in here, and want to argue with ME instead of looking at the big picture.

[JayVe]

Originally Posted by crazyD

Because it would be a dick move to force games that are in their final runs of dev work to tack on a stupid feature like this. I guess Sony didn't realize at first that people need a little icon for accomplishing stupid shit in games to enjoy them.

I don't see how trophies are any more tacked on then achievements. They are pretty much the exact same thing, except now I can not care about them on two systems.

It would also have been a dick move to force all games in development to use a single voice-chat system, but it would have been better off for consumers, the PS3 platform, and would have been a more competitive product. Their reluctance to take the short-term approach, "We can't tell our developers to meet a standard... they are close to having their game done" didn't pay off.

A longer-term approach would have been to establish these sets of requirements up front, and hold developers accountable. Microsoft did it... and the consistency with which achievements/messaging/communication is handled on the system is best in its class.

Then again... this is Sony. The same company that thinks it is good to NOT package in HD cables with their HD-centric console.

[Gorvi]

Originally Posted by JayVe

Maybe YOU are completely okay with the Sony juggernaut of the PS1/PS2 era flailing around like a spastic drunken asshole, but I DO NOT LIKE what Sony has become... arrogant and stupid. The Sony of today is NOT the same Sony that was EARNING my dollars in previous generations. Today, they seem more concerned with their movie business and protecting their own interests than serving customers.

Then again, when I DO post good Sony news here, people jump all over me for it thinking it is some kind of trap. So whatever. Some of y'all just bring this baggage in here, and want to argue with ME instead of looking at the big picture.

It's your perception that things are that way, not the reality. They've made mistakes, but nothing (other than the still far too high price of the PS3) is nearly the clusterfuck that you imply. It's ok, though, I don't expect you to see or admit to that.

[crazyD]

Originally Posted by JayVe

Maybe YOU are completely okay with the Sony juggernaut of the PS1/PS2 era flailing around like a spastic drunken asshole, but I DO NOT LIKE what Sony has become... arrogant and stupid. The Sony of today is NOT the same Sony that was EARNING my dollars in previous generations. Today, they seem more concerned with their movie business and protecting their own interests than serving customers.

Then again, when I DO post good Sony news here, people jump all over me for it thinking it is some kind of trap. So whatever. Some of y'all just bring this baggage in here, and want to argue with ME instead of looking at the big picture.

Sony now has more reliable and competitive hardware. They have many features MS does not. In my opinion, they are currently acting far more user friendly then in the PS2 days, when their only real achievement was having a ton of third party software due to their large install base. Your bias is showing, may want to cover that up.

[JayVe]

Originally Posted by crazyD

Your bias is showing, may want to cover that up.

Nope. I am who I am. I have a post history, and I stand by it.

I also have a PS3, and a PS2 before that (think I still have my PS1 around here).

Every time we have a "Such and such game will have trophies" it is a giant banner that screams "Sony still does not have their shit together with trophies" and is the same damn thing we will be seeing with Nintendo as they slowly add more games that have WiFi or Voice Chat.

"Nintendo - We Fucked up Online Gaming with Friend Codes"

The best news about this that, one day, we will never hear about trophies again... cause they'll be standard. Just the way they were meant to be.

[Gorvi]

Originally Posted by JayVe

Nope. I am who I am. I have a post history, and I stand by it.

I also have a PS3, and a PS2 before that (think I still have my PS1 around here).

Every time we have a "Such and such game will have trophies" it is a giant banner that screams "Sony still does not have their shit together with trophies" and is the same damn thing we will be seeing with Nintendo as they slowly add more games that have WiFi or Voice Chat.

"Nintendo - We Fucked up Online Gaming with Friend Codes"

The best news about this that, one day, we will never hear about trophies again... cause they'll be standard. Just the way they were meant to be.

That's actually what this news post is about: that they'll be standard starting in 6 weeks. For every game. Yet you're still bitching about it.

[crazyD]

Originally Posted by JayVe

Nope. I am who I am. I have a post history, and I stand by it.

I also have a PS3, and a PS2 before that (think I still have my PS1 around here).

Every time we have a "Such and such game will have trophies" it is a giant banner that screams "Sony still does not have their shit together with trophies" and is the same damn thing we will be seeing with Nintendo as they slowly add more games that have WiFi or Voice Chat.

"Nintendo - We Fucked up Online Gaming with Friend Codes"

The best news about this that, one day, we will never hear about trophies again... cause they'll be standard. Just the way they were meant to be.

Sony had a lot to catch up with software wise this gen. I think they did a good job of focusing on the important stuff, and advancing beyond MS in some other ways. They are now getting around to catching up on more trivial matters.

And I don't care if you currently have a PS3. Rather, I wish you didn't, as it might make you less likely to troll every PS3 thread posted.

[JayVe]

Originally Posted by Gorvi

That's actually what this news post is about: that they'll be standard starting in 6 weeks. For every game. Yet you're still bitching about it.

Actually, I'm responding to people, yourself included. I said above that this is GOOD NEWS, even if it should have been there from Day One!

If this rumor turns out to be true... this will be the last post about trophies evars.

[JayVe]

Originally Posted by crazyD

Sony had a lot to catch up with software wise this gen. I think they did a good job of focusing on the important stuff, and advancing beyond MS in some other ways. They are now getting around to catching up on more trivial matters.

Whose fault is it they they needed to catch up? Others in here have said they they consider achievements/trophies when buying multiplatform games. That right there is lost revenue for Sony. How is that a trivial matter? Oh, maybe you mean they've got cross-game chats working, or a standardized way of playing custom soundtracks?

The only reason Sony has to catch up at all is because they are no longer leading the industry except in Bluray. Sony is desperately playing catch-up. Hopefully they'll apply what they've learned to the development of the PS4... and hopefully it rocks.

Originally Posted by crazyD

And I don't care if you currently have a PS3. Rather, I wish you didn't, as it might make you less likely to troll every PS3 thread posted.

Oh... well. Tough shit.

[crazyD]

Originally Posted by JayVe

Whose fault is it they they needed to catch up? Others in here have said they they consider achievements/trophies when buying multiplatform games. That right there is lost revenue for Sony. How is that a trivial matter? Oh, maybe you mean they've got cross-game chats working, or a standardized way of playing custom soundtracks?

While it is more amplified here, in a very 360 friendly gaming forum, I bet the number of people who actually buy games for achievements is trivially small. While they do not have cross game chats, they do have support for any third party bluetooth headset. While they may not have custom soundtracks, they have a standard harddrive that can be replaced with any 2.5" SATA hard drive, and free multiplayer. The 360 has some catching up to do as well, and in ways that matter more to me personally.