[E3 2011] X-Com

[TrackZero]

Originally Posted by Wolvie

And I'm not supporting this just because it's there and it's the only option. Screw that. I'm voting with my wallet. And they aren't getting any of my money. I hope this franchise dies on the vine and they abandon it. Maybe some day someone will pick it up and do it right. That's how much I dislike what they've done. No, I HATE it. There I got that off my chest. I feel better.

You do realize that there's a far greater chance they can spin back off a "proper" X-Com (as some view it) if this is a success rather than a failure where the entire property is thrown out?

[Ghostbear]

An interesting bit about some of the characters in X-Com. What it meant to be a non straight, non white american in the games world.

[Karak]

Originally Posted by Wolvie

I'm one of those guys that thinks if ya can't do it right, don't do it at all. If I had to choose this or nothing, I choose nothing.

X-Com is more than a name to me. It's the whole package. Changing as much as they have has turned this into another game. And it pisses me off. I don't want THIS, I want the real X-Com. This game is not X-Com, and no one can convince me otherwise.

And I'm not supporting this just because it's there and it's the only option. Screw that. I'm voting with my wallet. And they aren't getting any of my money. I hope this franchise dies on the vine and they abandon it. Maybe some day someone will pick it up and do it right. That's how much I dislike what they've done. No, I HATE it. There I got that off my chest. I feel better.

I agree but you do realize that you are literally saying you KNOW that they are not doing it right? Without having played it or even checked it out.
I guess what I am saying is, in the past in other threads I have seen you at least GIVE something a chance, before you hate it, and got on others for not doing so.

I was also not clear on who went to E3. It sounds like you did though, stating how much you dislike what they have done. So if you checked it out and feel that way, hey no problems here. At least you checked it out.

[Wolvie]

Originally Posted by TrackZero

You do realize that there's a far greater chance they can spin back off a "proper" X-Com (as some view it) if this is a success rather than a failure where the entire property is thrown out?

I'm not that optomisitic. Why? Because we live in a gaming age where every damn game has to be shoe-horned into an FPS. So they can make extra monies off the COD teenagers. A proper X-Com won't happen because they'll just spin off sequels of this FPS series.
Maybe some day we'll get the futuristic Sci-Fi setting this game should be in. But they'll probably bleed this thing for all it's worth, setting it in the following decades after the 60's.

All I can do is hope this game gets enough backlash, that the dev team caves and does it right next time. That's why I'm not budging on this. I am not going to reward them for doing something wrong. How else will they learn and fix their mistakes?

Originally Posted by Karak

I agree but you do realize that you are literally saying you KNOW that they are not doing it right? Without having played it or even checked it out.
I guess what I am saying is, in the past in other threads I have seen you at least GIVE something a chance, before you hate it, and got on others for not doing so.

I was also not clear on who went to E3. It sounds like you did though, stating how much you dislike what they have done. So if you checked it out and feel that way, hey no problems here. At least you checked it out.

Yeah, but then again I hated the Transformers movies at first sight. And I still don't care for them. They're just... meh. But they had at least something familiar in them. This new "X-Com" has almost nothing for me to latch onto thats familiar. We get scripted research and non-random recruiting. Yay.

I'll read a review or two when this comes out. But it's gonna be an uphill battle for this game. It's gonna have to wow me like Halo did to win me over. Nuff said.

[TrackZero]

Originally Posted by Wolvie

I'm not that optomisitic. Why? Because we live in a gaming age where every damn game has to be shoe-horned into an FPS. So they can make extra monies off the COD teenagers. A proper X-Com won't happen because they'll just spin off sequels of this FPS series.

No, actually most spin-offs of successful properties are genre switches, not more of the same. Why compete with your winning product? I think your anger is confusing you.

[Wolvie]

Originally Posted by TrackZero

No, actually most spin-offs of successful properties are genre switches, not more of the same. Why compete with your winning product? I think your anger is confusing you.

No confusion. This isn't a spin-of, it's a reboot. They aren't competing with themselves, they are bringing back an old favorite. I just don't like how they are bringing it back. Maybe the kiddies will like it, like the youngins like the new Star Trek.
My oldest brother hates the new Star Trek movie. This is kinda like that for me... only the reboot barely resembles the original at all. So my hate is only stoked further.

So, anyways, if you'll excuse me, I gotta go chase those damn kids off my lawn again.

Edit: also, Halo Wars? Am I right?

[TrackZero]

Originally Posted by Wolvie

No confusion. This isn't a spin-of, it's a reboot. They aren't competing with themselves, they are bringing back an old favorite. I just don't like how they are bringing it back. Maybe the kiddies will like it, like the youngins like the new Star Trek.

I didn't say this is a spin-off, I said the only chance you're going to see an X-Com like the original is if this is such a success they decide to make a spin-off game in the same genre as the original. Again, you're not thinking because you're angry.

And I love the new Star Trek, nor am I a "youngin" and I'm sure I'm just as "hardcore" of a Trek fan as your older brother, though that's all irrelevant to the point.

Originally Posted by Wolvie

My oldest brother hates the new Star Trek movie. This is kinda like that for me... only the reboot barely resembles the original at all. So my hate is only stoked further.

Guess that new Bioshock sucks a dick too then eh? No Rapture? Different time, colour palette and possibly universe? What bullshit, Irrational should just stop making games, those assholes.

[zarathstra]

I'm not terribly excited about this game either. I mean, yeah, it looks like a neat game, but it doesn't feel very X-com-y to me. And its not just the the fact that its an FPS. I don't see much of any resemblance to the original lore or world either. Its the Starship Troopers of X-Com games. I might have liked that movie okay if it were called something else, but if you're going to use a name, try to make it have some resemblance to the source material.

[Wolvie]

Originally Posted by TrackZero

I didn't say this is a spin-off, I said the only chance you're going to see an X-Com like the original is if this is such a success they decide to make a spin-off game in the same genre as the original. Again, you're not thinking because you're angry.

And I love the new Star Trek, nor am I a "youngin" and I'm sure I'm just as "hardcore" of a Trek fan as your older brother, though that's all irrelevant to the point.

... What!? So the only way to get the for really real game is to give them money for this tripe? Fuck that noise man. I'm not gonna support something(I do not like) in some naive hope that they might make the game I actually want.
Then what if they don't make the game I want? So I wasted my money? Well golly gee that sure does sound like a waste of time to me!

Originally Posted by TrackZero

Guess that new Bioshock sucks a dick too then eh? No Rapture? Different time, colour palette and possibly universe? What bullshit, Irrational should just stop making games, those assholes.

At least that game is still in the same genre and has the same type of gameplay. Turn Bioshock into an RTS, one with gameplay that vaguely resembles the original, and have it be the ONLY option for your Bioshock needs, then tell me if thats cool by you. Yeah thats what this new X-Com is like. BUT I SURE AM GLAD THERE'S SOMETHING WITH THE X-COM NAME BOY HOWDY! IMMA DEFEND IT TOO! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

[Superman's Dead]

Did you guys not read about the tactical overlay? The battlescape? And leveling up and equipping and selecting your team?

Even if this game isn't exactly what you want from XCOM, it is not 'more of the same'. This has virtually no similarities to "bro shooters" "CoD shooters" or "teh Halos" that people seem to disparage so often. It's not like they just re-skinned some bullshit game or are trying to follow the footsteps of an already existing FPS. This is new territory, and that itself should be exciting.

Edit: once again, it's not like a current gen XCOM strategy game was ever going to happen, Wolvie. How many TBS games are coming out that aren't indie or handheld?

[Wolvie]

Originally Posted by Superman's Dead

Did you guys not read about the tactical overlay? The battlescape? And leveling up and equipping and selecting your team?

Even if this game isn't exactly what you want from XCOM, it is not 'more of the same'. This has virtually no similarities to "bro shooters" "CoD shooters" or "teh Halos" that people seem to disparage so often. It's not like they just re-skinned some bullshit game or are trying to follow the footsteps of an already existing FPS. This is new territory, and that itself should be exciting.

Edit: once again, it's not like a current gen XCOM strategy game was ever going to happen, Wolvie. How many TBS games are coming out that aren't indie or handheld?

Hell I'm fine with the FPS conversion. But the lack of bases, real research and an world map sucks. That and I have to play in the 60's... no. I want high tech future stuff. Cram all that awesome into an FPS with their tactical gameplay and then we'll talk.

[Superman's Dead]

You don't know that any of that is the truth (aside from the initial lack of high tech future stuff)

In fact one of the things Ghostbear mentioned on IRC, if not in this post, was that you had to be selective about the missions you chose to be because some of them were time sensitive and you had decisions to make. Also, other than them saying "there will be research", we know almost nothing about the research.

Everything I have learned about this game the past few weeks has been surprising and not a single bit of it has been negative from any standpoint. In fact, the more we hear about it, the more like XCOM it gets. And it doesn't come out until next year.

[Wolvie]

That sounds like pre-set missions like in Dead Rising. Their set on a timer, there's consequences or some such stuff, blah, blah, blah. And the research was already covered: it's based on weapons you pick up. As in, do you keep it and lose the option to research or send it back to research/unlock the weapon/item.

But ultimately the deal breaker is the art direction and time period. Blocky/oil monsters... even if this was an RTS I couldn't get past that. And the 1960's time setting just has no appeal to me. Hopefully in the years time the dev team takes feedback from people and finishes this, then goes back to the drawing board and makes something more like we all know and love.

But anyways, outside of some drastic dev shift and this becomes awesome in the next year, I will just have no interest. Some times taking creative license with something just ends up with dumb results. This is the case this time IMO.

[Blue]

As someone who enjoyed the original immensely, this looks like a friggin' blast. I was a little on the fence initially but after reading this write-up, I'm sold. Sounds like a great successor while keeping the property in mind and doing their own thing with it.

[Spectre-7]

I hate when developers take old properties and try something new with them because the old fans' complaints always completely dominate the conversation, making it impossible to talk about the game on its own merits. Every single god damned time.

Edit: Oh, and I think the game looks sweet, BTW. I have to admit that I'm in a bit of '60s fever anyway, but everything new I hear about the title sounds really exciting. Here's hoping they pull it off.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by Spectre-7

I hate when developers take old properties and try something new with them because the old fans' complaints always completely dominate the conversation, making it impossible to talk about the game on its own merits. Every single god damned time.

Edit: Oh, and I think the game looks sweet, BTW. I have to admit that I'm in a bit of '60s fever anyway, but everything new I hear about the title sounds really exciting. Here's hoping they pull it off.

Yet another example of why this site could use a Like button.

[Ghostbear]

Originally Posted by Spectre-7

I hate when developers take old properties and try something new with them because the old fans' complaints always completely dominate the conversation, making it impossible to talk about the game on its own merits. Every single god damned time.

Edit: Oh, and I think the game looks sweet, BTW. I have to admit that I'm in a bit of '60s fever anyway, but everything new I hear about the title sounds really exciting. Here's hoping they pull it off.

You complete me.

[Wolvie]

Originally Posted by Spectre-7

I hate when developers take old properties and try something new with them because the old fans' complaints always completely dominate the conversation, making it impossible to talk about the game on its own merits. Every single god damned time.

Here's an idea. If ya wanna do completely something new, do it with a new IP! Novel idea eh? If it's new, and doesn't resemble the old game, like at all, all their doing is trying to cash in on the name.

If you want something to stand on it's own merit, then let it be it's own thing. Don't gut the thing, replace it with all new then expect us fans of the original to have sunshine and rainbows come shooting out of our asses when we see it.

Edit: ya know what? This is pointless. On one side you're gonna have people beating off to this game and patting each other on the back and reasuring themselves that they are indeed correct. Then there's the rest who say I disagree. Then the squabbling starts and it all goes to pretentious city. I'm done.

[Wilkz07]

YES! i was just thinking the other day.. whats that game in the 40s/50s and aliens and you are an fbi agent or something and if the ooze gets on you... this game seemed to fall off the radar for awhile.

will keep my eye on it.

[bryan]

The mechanics are intriguing and I think the aesthetic looks cool. Between the original and Terror from the Deep I must have completed them twenty times.