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Old 02-09-2017, 12:06 PM   #41
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Yeah meant Its a valid criticsm for sure. I just think that its problematic all ways.

I could even argue that having original intent of the original creator didnt have an internet comittee to co design his vision back then. So its an argument for staying true to an uneditted version to some extent. Theres dozens of arguments I could bring up for both sides
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Old 02-09-2017, 12:51 PM   #42
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I actually have a few original Iron Fist comics from my childhood, he's just a generic martial arts character from the same time period as the examples Dav mentioned. I was one of those kids that used to get Karate Magazines, filled with ads for white guys with mullets wearing Zubaz pants. Iron Fist was right up my alley.

While it's generic, he really shines when he and Luke Cage are together. It was a team up during a time when they could really lean into the fun of a friendship between black and white characters and make commentary about the culture of the day. He isn't really white for a good reason, but it becomes a good reason to keep him that way in the context of Heroes for Hire. While they certainly could have made him Asian, it would change the dynamic of the team up I think they're building towards.
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Old 02-09-2017, 01:31 PM   #43
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That others see a problem without "going looking for it" does not invalidate their concerns.

I mean, maybe their beef ALSO exists with the original iteration of the character being white, because an Asian protagonist would have been untenable at the time of the comic's creation. Just throwing it out there.
None of this addressed the fact that people are upset because something that was never promised was never given.
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Old 02-09-2017, 03:19 PM   #44
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None of this addressed the fact that people are upset because something that was never promised was never given.
I only brought up the "he's white" argument to say that you can speak past that to say the trope itself is boring and old, regardless of your stance on any, real or perceived, white washing.

And yeah, no one promised or owes anyone anything with regard to casting and yadda yadda he's white in the comics; none of that outright justifies the casting or automatically excuses it from the larger argument within entertainment right now.

I'm not saying you or anyone here is making this argument, but the whole "it's like that in the source material" as justification for a criticism of racial identity is maybe the biggest signal of creative worthlessness. If your job here is just to uncritically translate something from one medium to another, that's a great signal to skip over something.

But that's comics for you, as much as fans say they want good stories with interesting characters, they sure do just keep funding creators throwing the same story that they read then they were 14 at them for for the 4th time.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:19 PM   #45
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I really just want to laugh and jokingly put up that Peter Griffin "oh my god who cares" picture at this point.

It's all rather amusing either way people debate it.


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Old 02-09-2017, 07:06 PM   #46
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then make him hispanic or samoan or inuit or something but JESUS CHRIST DO WE NEED ANOTHER WHITE GUY

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Old 02-09-2017, 07:11 PM   #47
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If I remember correctly, isn't Shang Chi in this series too? He's far cooler than Iron Fist anyway.

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Old 02-09-2017, 07:11 PM   #48
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I'd totally watch a show about a Pacific islander who does kung fu in New York.
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:27 PM   #49
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Yeah, as I pointed out, nobody is talking about appropriation in regards to this, or lack of Asian characters on screen. They are mad because of imaginary issues. And I never made the "it's the source material" argument myself.

Also, it is silly to say 'times have changed'. Shang-chi came out around the same time as Iron Fist, headlined its own series, had a longer run and out sold it. Unless the implication is that Asians are more discriminated against now than in the 70s. I guess going by sales of the comics featuring the character today, it's a valid theory. But Marvel decided to adapt the latter.

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Old 02-09-2017, 10:39 PM   #50
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then make him hispanic or samoan or inuit or something but JESUS CHRIST DO WE NEED ANOTHER WHITE GUY

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See, I don't care iron fist is a white guy. 47 ronin and making it about keanu reeve's character that was implanted into the story when it was supposed to be about Oishi bothers me. I'm not saying reeves did this but the direction edit that followed turned it into keannu's the last white samurai.

THere's plenty of american ninja movies and that's fine they're entertaining hell there's even the one with the kids that I liked but when it comes to things that are supposed to be authentic I say white guy gtfo or know your place you're a side character. I mean token asian/black/spanish guy for humour that is supposed to make other etchnicities feel included is just insulting at this point in entertainment maturity.
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:40 PM   #51
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I was just thinking that. Cast a Hispanic dude just to fuck with everyone.

... as Danny Randez

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I'd totally watch a show about a Pacific islander who does kung fu in New York.
I think Inuit dude is best but honestly it doesn't matter.



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Old 02-09-2017, 10:53 PM   #52
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Exodus: you talking the 3 Ninjas movies? I loved those but I'm sure they were terrible.

Then there was the Surf Ninjas movie, which used ninja martial arts even though the main characters were Pacific islanders by heritage and American culturally.

Man, ninjutsu really took a beating in the 90s.

Then the new Karate Kid was in China and used kung fu, though the kid was watching Japanese martial arts on the television to learn (I know because you could hear the instructor speaking Japanese).

You know what, as long as they don't REALLY Fuck up the martial arts in Iron Fist it'll still be a big step forward.
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Now I really want to see some Kung Fu in a Murderball wheelchair.

On that note, look up The Crippled Masters. Watched it back in college, highly recommended.
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Old 02-10-2017, 05:32 AM   #54
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I was just thinking that. Cast a Hispanic dude just to fuck with everyone.

... as Danny Randez
See, I wouldn't even care, just the fact that every minority would like to be represented at some point making it impossible to serve all of those with just Iron Fist and the original fans of the character just makes it fine how it is now and fine if they went with a minority as well.

I just think picking a Chinese for Iron Fist would have been too on the nose. Like Italian mobsters and Jewish diamond dealers. Its TOO stereotypical to pull out once again. Its basically the only time asians DO get a shot.
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And now they don't even get THAT shot!
Hey, there's still asian hot chick

I agree of course, seems the equivalent of a pity fuck. We need wire fu, call the asian.
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Exodus: you talking the 3 Ninjas movies? I loved those but I'm sure they were terrible.

Then there was the Surf Ninjas movie, which used ninja martial arts even though the main characters were Pacific islanders by heritage and American culturally.

Man, ninjutsu really took a beating in the 90s.

Then the new Karate Kid was in China and used kung fu, though the kid was watching Japanese martial arts on the television to learn (I know because you could hear the instructor speaking Japanese).

You know what, as long as they don't REALLY Fuck up the martial arts in Iron Fist it'll still be a big step forward.
What about the Ninja series Starring Sho Kosugi, the real life Ninja?
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I'm not going to lie, I have walked someone through my idea of choreographed wheel chair kung fu. Movie pitch: It's like XXX but with...



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