In Other News...April 27

[Bandango]

The core philosophy behind Eve is libertarian and capitalistic. The game is about having the freedom to do anything you want in a complex, human system. When someone gets banned in this libertarian sandbox for saying something mean in real life, I imagine some players see that as an infringement on the freedom that CCP Games prides itself in promoting. Doesn't change the fact that the guy was being a dick, but I see where they're coming from. And to most, like Kyrieee said, I'm sure this is just an opportunity to part of big in-game event.

[Slack3r78]

Burn Jita was in the works well before the ban; the ban just gave the Goons an excuse to go ahead and set a date.

It won't really break the game's economy per se, but it will create resource shortages since Jita is the game's primary trade hub. Since Goon is a massive alliance with control over some of the important resources in-game, this is going to end up funneling massive amounts of ISK into Goon's coffers. Same goes with the upcoming Hulkageddon event. Goon is essentially using their massive numbers to manipulate the game's economy to their advantage rather than break it outright.

I've only played EVE off and on at a few points, but I have to agree with the guy from CCP that called this fucking brilliant.

[Narradisall]

If they had it planned for months, and were doing it for the reasosn many admire EVEs setup, why'd they even bother attaching it to the guy getting banned for being a prick? Just seems like a weird way to advertise.

[Narradisall]

Originally Posted by kyrieee

I'm sorry but this whole discussion is silly.
You can't read third or fourth hand accounts on what goes on in the game and then start judging people or preaching morals.

Well, all we had to go on were the second hand accounts of someone at the event.

"The presenter went on to encourage other players of Eve Online to harass this player in the hope that he would eventually be compelled to act on his suicidal thoughts.
"This player's in-game contact information was provided. I found this section of the presentation to be in extremely poor taste."

Sorry, I call dicks out when I see them, and that was a dick move.

[Darkmatter]

So this space station was part of the original game right? What will happen to the building once its destroyed? Will it just respawn with everything set to 0 for the econemy or will they have to work to rebuild it or live without it?

[Slack3r78]

Originally Posted by Narradisall

If they had it planned for months, and were doing it for the reasosn many admire EVEs setup, why'd they even bother attaching it to the guy getting banned for being a prick? Just seems like a weird way to advertise.

Because they're Goons and they do things for the hell of it. You can find public mentions of burning Jita going back to January. This is, quite simply, a case of doing something for the lulz. The outrage about it being centered around the ban just makes it more hilarious for those involved.

Originally Posted by Darkmatter

So this space station was part of the original game right? What will happen to the building once its destroyed? Will it just respawn with everything set to 0 for the econemy or will they have to work to rebuild it or live without it?

NPC stations like Jita 4-4 can't be destroyed. They're destroying player-owned cargo haulers.

[bean]

Originally Posted by Slack3r78

NPC stations like Jita 4-4 can't be destroyed. They're destroying player-owned cargo haulers.

Oh, well that kind of sucks that they can't blow it up. So they are basically blowing up trucks before they get to Wal-Mart because Wal-Mart is invincible. Shouldn't Empire blow up people engaging in PvP in such high sec?

What's keeping the rich players from shipping their ore to nearby manufacturies and refine/manufacturing it into smaller stuff to stock Jita with after the event is over?

[Slack3r78]

Originally Posted by bean

Oh, well that kind of sucks that they can't blow it up. So they are basically blowing up trucks before they get to Wal-Mart because Wal-Mart is invincible. Shouldn't Empire blow up people engaging in PvP in such high sec?

What's keeping the rich players from shipping their ore to nearby manufacturies and refine/manufacturing it into smaller stuff to stock Jita with after the event is over?

That's pretty much what's happening. Concord (the NPC police) blow up your ship when you aggro in high sec space. Goons are using their numbers to alpha/one strike kill things. They built something like 14k ships for this action. So they get a ton of cheap ships blown up while destroying expensive cargo haulers and whatever's in their cargo bays.

[Slack3r78]

And Goon is so big that getting a ton of ships blown up like they are won't actually hurt them in any real sense.

[bean]

Yick. They didn't mention that it's kind of a retarded meta-game in the news. That's the problem I have with Eve. It always SOUNDS neat, but then the mechanics of it leave me bored to tears.

[Darkmatter]

I don't get the big problem. With all the warning people had why aren't players sending their cargo to a different station? Sure, they blockaided the station but nobody should be going there anymore.

[kyrieee]

Originally Posted by Darkmatter

I don't get the big problem. With all the warning people had why aren't players sending their cargo to a different station? Sure, they blockaided the station but nobody should be going there anymore.

First of all, the playerbase is pretty big and a lot of people won't even have known this thing was going to happen. Secondly, there is no point in moving your stuff somewhere else because there will be no one there to buy it. It would be like moving your stand from the town market out into the woods. If you have a hundred thousand people with stands in that market, how do you convince them all to move to the same place overnight? It's impossible. Even if you could, your customers still wouldn't know about it fast enough, and the actual logistics of doing if would take weeks.

[bean]

They need to make it so you CAN blow-up Jita and all the goods that are there. However, all marketplaces everywhere have access to all goods on sale anywhere with the caveat that there is a shipping price and delay based on how far out it is. NPC Corporations handle this traffic and are fairly tough, but space pirates can absolutely take them on should they choose to do so. The lower sec you want goods moved through and their total value creates a larger shipping bounty and larger shipping bounties increase the number of guards on your shipment (Players can increase this or lower it). They can also choose "caravan" shipping which may take longer (depending on where a trade caravan is), but offers a lower rate for a very high amount of protection than a charter.

When finding items by cost, it would show the item cost and then the item+shipping cost and delivery time. Players can take an escort mission to lower this cost that allows them to clone-jump to a special escort clone and ship (in this way players can actively assist escort missions but cannot take them on and simply destroy them to be dicks. If they want to put in the time, then they are an EXTRA ship in the caravan, but not the cargo hauler itself). They could do this and then help their pirate friends screw over the caravan to steal their own goods and those of others, but they'd lose major faction with the NPC trade corporation and not be offered another escort until they paid the piper. Plus, why bother? They could just go in their own ship that is probably more powerful instead, or fly over to pick up the goods.

Well, whatever. I really like the idea of Eve much more than the actual game, so it's obviously not made for me anyway.

[Slack3r78]

Originally Posted by bean

They need to make it so you CAN blow-up Jita and all the goods that are there. However, all marketplaces everywhere have access to all goods on sale anywhere with the caveat that there is a shipping price and delay based on how far out it is. NPC Corporations handle this traffic and are fairly tough, but space pirates can absolutely take them on should they choose to do so. The lower sec you want goods moved through and their total value creates a larger shipping bounty and larger shipping bounties increase the number of guards on your shipment (Players can increase this or lower it). They can also choose "caravan" shipping which may take longer (depending on where a trade caravan is), but offers a lower rate for a very high amount of protection than a charter.

When finding items by cost, it would show the item cost and then the item+shipping cost and delivery time. Players can take an escort mission to lower this cost that allows them to clone-jump to a special escort clone and ship (in this way players can actively assist escort missions but cannot take them on and simply destroy them to be dicks. If they want to put in the time, then they are an EXTRA ship in the caravan, but not the cargo hauler itself). They could do this and then help their pirate friends screw over the caravan to steal their own goods and those of others, but they'd lose major faction with the NPC trade corporation and not be offered another escort until they paid the piper. Plus, why bother? They could just go in their own ship that is probably more powerful instead, or fly over to pick up the goods.

Well, whatever. I really like the idea of Eve much more than the actual game, so it's obviously not made for me anyway.

Eh, you're kind of trying to abstract out a lot of what's already happening.

Besides, supply logistics are a major part of the null sec end game. I think leaving it in the hands of players as it is now makes the most sense for the game's economy.

[Slack3r78]

PC Gamer has a pretty great interview with a Goon insider discussing how Burn Jita had been planned months ago, exactly why, and very explicitly talks about how this is all a very intentional manipulation of the economy by the Goons:

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/28/no...tic-trade-hub/

Worth a read if this kind of thing catches your fancy.