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Old 04-03-2012, 04:28 PM   #3041
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Ugh. Next time you switch power supplies and find that your display isn't turning on, before swapping out multiple cards, trying all the PCI-e cables, and trying a different monitor, see if you FORGOT TO PLUGIN THE 12V CPU CABLE LIKE DUMBASS REVERANT.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:45 PM   #3042
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Ugh. Next time you switch power supplies and find that your display isn't turning on, before swapping out multiple cards, trying all the PCI-e cables, and trying a different monitor, see if you FORGOT TO PLUGIN THE 12V CPU CABLE LIKE DUMBASS REVERANT.
HAHA, that is classic. I am the same way. I never have any issues with the big stuff. It is always some small glaring detail that I miss.
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:32 PM   #3043
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Ugh. Next time you switch power supplies and find that your display isn't turning on, before swapping out multiple cards, trying all the PCI-e cables, and trying a different monitor, see if you FORGOT TO PLUGIN THE 12V CPU CABLE LIKE DUMBASS REVERANT.
Man computer "putting together" 101 is a bitch and frankly gets everyone once in awhile.
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:13 PM   #3044
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I usually forget to plug in the power to the card, luckily it makes a very loud beep to remind me.
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:20 PM   #3045
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Question on memory:

What's the consensus on 4 x 2GB vs. 2 x 4GB. I'm at 2 x 2GB, and the price difference isn't that much between buying 2 more sticks of the exact same RAM, vs. 2 sticks of 4GB at the same speed/voltage.

My understanding was that 2 sticks is generally more stable than 4 sticks. Don't know how much of an issue it actually is. It's an 1156 board w/ an i7, so dual channel.

I honestly don't pay that much attention to RAM utilization, but the stuff is so cheap, I figure it couldn't hurt.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:50 AM   #3046
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While it's cool that EVGA is taking the lead and all, this is less about how awesome EVGA is and more about how shitty the warranty policies of most video cards manufacturers have traditionally been to me.

X years from manufacture date is exactly how warranties have been handled for other components -- CPUs, motherboards, hard drives, etc -- for years.

It's always infuriated me that I've had to jump through bullshit hoops like registering cards to get full warranty support when the manufacturer knows damn well when the thing was built.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:22 AM   #3047
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Question on memory:

What's the consensus on 4 x 2GB vs. 2 x 4GB. I'm at 2 x 2GB, and the price difference isn't that much between buying 2 more sticks of the exact same RAM, vs. 2 sticks of 4GB at the same speed/voltage.

My understanding was that 2 sticks is generally more stable than 4 sticks. Don't know how much of an issue it actually is. It's an 1156 board w/ an i7, so dual channel.

I honestly don't pay that much attention to RAM utilization, but the stuff is so cheap, I figure it couldn't hurt.
On Intel, there's no real practical difference as far as I know. Stability is only affected if you're pushing something other than your clock speed/multiplier for overclocking, or if one of your sticks is bad, or the sticks are heavily mismatched in some way.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:39 AM   #3048
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Speaking of memory, is there any reason not to grab some DDR3 1600 instead of whatever faster RAM becomes available when IB launches? 1600 prices are pretty sweet.
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:16 AM   #3049
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I'd advocate not buying anything unless you intend to use it right away, but that's just me.
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:47 PM   #3050
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My friend, who is more hardware illiterate than me, asked me to help him put together a computer. This is what I've got... Keep in mind, he has a HDD he plans on carrying over, so I just put in a SSD for his OS + office software.

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CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H2O 620 Liquid CPU Cooler ($61.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty P67 Performance ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Crucial m4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Nine Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 620W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS70 OEM DVD/CD Writer ($23.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $962.90
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:20 PM   #3051
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Skip the liquid cooling. Otherwise looks good so long as he's cool with the 900 being a fairly big case.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:40 PM   #3052
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Would an Antec 300 be a decent case? Would it fit everything?

Also, why skip the liquid cooling? From what I've heard, that seems to be a good cooler and won't cause any issues.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:58 PM   #3053
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Yeah, good air coolers cost around the same so I see no problem going with a self contained liquid cooling setup. They also take up less room in the case which I like. For me personally I prefer larger towers as long as room isn't an issue. They are easier to work in, easier to manage cables in and generally have better airflow.

I just installed a 620 in a build I did last month and they are nice, though I'd recommend grabbing another 120mm fan (if the case doesn't come with one) for a push pull set up. One fan pushes air into the radiator while the other pulls the air out. I also installed that same Crucial SSD and so far it's the fastest SSD I have used to date. If he's going to be doing any overclocking at all (even a minor OC down the road ) you may want to look into grabbing DDR3 1600. You can get the G-Skill 1600 for about $8 more.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:55 PM   #3054
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The problem is P/H/Z60 series boards are drying up as we lead up to the launch of the Z70 series this month.

Here's the blurb from the OP, diablopath, on liquid cooling:

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Avoid watercooled solutions like Corsair H-series, Antec Hydro series, and CoolIT EVO. They're a lot of money, make buzzing-pump noises, and (anecdotally) have high failure rates. They're a cool idea but you're really better off with an air cooler.
They are easier to install, but I much prefer air coolers. Guaranteed performance and reliability. Less moving parts. Less things to go wrong. If you're not planning on going above 4GHz it won't make a lick of a difference to just get a Hyper 212+, performance wise, and I guarantee you it'll be quieter.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:20 PM   #3055
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The problem is P/H/Z60 series boards are drying up as we lead up to the launch of the Z70 series this month.
Does this mean this setup will have no possibilities for upgrades in a couple of years? Should we splurge on a board to ensure an extended lifetime?

I went ahead and swapped out the the liquid cooling for at Hyper 212. We had both assumed that liquid cooling would be quieter, as we are fools and have never seen a liquid cooled PC. I mentioned the buzzing, so he opted for the 212. Brought the price down, too, which is always good.

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Old 04-05-2012, 08:33 PM   #3056
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You can drop a new Intel CPU coming out in a month in an existing motherboard, if the motherboard gets the ability in a BIOS update. You'll be missing out on native USB3 and native Thunderbolt, though, so it's more future-proofing the PC's external device functionality than for the CPU itself.

And yeah, the noise floor on a water pump is the pump, which is a very distinct sound compared to the woosh of a fan. (plus, if you're unhappy with the quality of the bundled Cooler Master fan, there is always the option of replacing it with a better fan, some of which are linked and listed in the OP)
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:03 PM   #3057
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Re: case - the 300's a decent case. Should fit a 560 Ti fine. I'm a fan of more sealed up cases, but that's mostly preference. The 300's certainly a very solid case for the money.
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:09 AM   #3058
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On the case front, has anyone done a build with the Fractal Design R3? Newegg has it for $80 shipped this weekend, and I'm seriously thinking about it. I've been using a P180 since shortly after it was first released and it may be time to change things up. Almost 7 years is a long time to keep the same case.
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Old 04-06-2012, 05:14 AM   #3059
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I'm using the R3. I paid a lot more than that but have nothing but praise for it, especially at that price. Their customer service has been great to me, too, if you ever have issues.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:25 PM   #3060
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Agreed, the R3 is excellent. Quieter, sturdier, and much nicer to work with than the crappy one I'd had previously.
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