Diplomacy, anyone interested?

[quidmonkey]

Aw shucks, did you miss me?

Sign this ninja up!

[Vigil80]

Holy crap. I'm months late on this, but I didn't even realize I had been inserted into the previous game. Sorry, I didn't intend to louse things up for anyone.

Having watched the videos and read the intro posts, I think the game is a bit more tedious than I'm prepared to deal with right now. I'll keep an eye on the thread though, maybe get in next game.

[Serapth]

I am sadly so busy right now, I would have trouble evening scraping together a Vichy France level of strategy.

[Whunpo]

Hmm. How much time commitment is needed for this? And someone would have to teach me how to play...

[Ox]

Time commitment depends on the speed at which we play. It's usually good to schedule a couple of hours of thought and emailing for each turn, especially in the first four turns. We can schedule the turns ten minutes apart or two weeks apart, though, so it's a question of how often you have time to think about the game.

And I have to emphasize: I'm not talking about a block of two hours. In the shower, I'll think about who I want to ally with; after I get out, I send an email to the lucky fellow. At lunch, I check my email and see he's sent me a counter-proposal; I think about it for a minute and write back. After work I check my email and see that we've got a deal, so I fire off an email suggesting a strategy. Before bed, I check my email and see that he likes my plan, so I send an email containing my orders to the online adjudicator. Playing Dip is basically an extended epistolary conversation with six other people, with all that implies in terms of flexible schedules. There are regular deadlines, but they're always flexible: if you have a busy day, you can easily ask to push the deadline back (although it's nice to be courteous to others and be very clear in the beginning about how much time you will typically need rather than making a whole lot of last-minute requests).

[Serapth]

Time commitment depends on the speed at which we play. It's usually good to schedule a couple of hours of thought and emailing for each turn, especially in the first four turns. We can schedule the turns ten minutes apart or two weeks apart, though, so it's a question of how often you have time to think about the game.

And I have to emphasize: I'm not talking about a block of two hours. In the shower, I'll think about who I want to ally with; after I get out, I send an email to the lucky fellow. At lunch, I check my email and see he's sent me a counter-proposal; I think about it for a minute and write back. After work I check my email and see that we've got a deal, so I fire off an email suggesting a strategy. Before bed, I check my email and see that he likes my plan, so I send an email containing my orders to the online adjudicator. Playing Dip is basically an extended epistolary conversation with six other people, with all that implies in terms of flexible schedules. There are regular deadlines, but they're always flexible: if you have a busy day, you can easily ask to push the deadline back (although it's nice to be courteous to others and be very clear in the beginning about how much time you will typically need rather than making a whole lot of last-minute requests).

Although, you should describe the learning curve Ox.

The interface is appallingly bad ( and archaic ) and you as a new player will probably have to spend a good 5 or 6 hours trying to figure out the game mechanics and how to issue commands and even then, you will still probably fuck up your first game or two. Pray to dog you don't start off as England too, because then you really need to figure out the convoy rules, fast. This is to say nothing of reading a half hundred strategy guides ( although, unlike figuring out the damned archaic and arcane ruleset, this part is actually rather fun ) can run you another one to one hundred hours.


I am not saying it isnt worth it, but so many people sign on to go then get smashed in the face by the learning curve.


There should be a system out there that is more user friendly than DPJudge. Frankly, DPJudge sucks, is confusing and renders terrible maps. A more user friendly UI that actually helped you craft (valid) orders and *gasp* suggested hints, would make the game 1000 times more approachable to new users and frankly make it more of a diplomatic exercise for the more casual players.

I guess what I am saying is, is there a better option than DPJudge?

[Ox]

I would very much like to consider at least experimenting with a different service. There are a variety of servers available.

http://www.playdiplomacy.com/
http://webdiplomacy.net
http://www.dipbounced.com/
http://www.stabbeurfou.org/
http://usak.asciiking.com/

EDIT: Serapth is exaggerating the learning curve a little. 15 minutes with a couple of strategy articles is enough to get started, and learning the syntax can be done on the go. If you're new, you should definitely tell everyone you're new in your opening message; people will cut you some slack and help you figure out how to perform your desired moves. You don't have to worry about being taken advantage of in the beginning, because everyone wants to be friends with the guy who is unthreatening and can probably be manipulated later. There's also the GM, whose entire purpose is to help you navigate the interface; if you have any problems, just email him and say, 'This is what I'm trying to do. Please show me how to do it.' But yes, it's a good idea to go in assuming you're going to make a lot of mistakes and get your butt whipped the first time.

[Whunpo]

Hmm. OK, I'm in. Just tell me what to do and I'll do it. I suck at these kind of games though, so don't expect much from me.

[Serapth]

If we try something other than DPJudge, I think I would be willing to play.

EDIT: And yes, I was exaggerating, but frankly so is Ox. I challenge any non-savant to figure out and get up and running in a Diplomacy game in 15 minutes. Hell, it took me well over that amount getting my head around determining what moves are valid, and I still haven't figured that out.

[Ox]

Okay, by my count we have:

Nameless
Jeffool
Loki
Ox
quidmonkey
Whunpo

That's six. We need one more. Urizen? Kecklesworth? Serapth? Admit you want me to spank you again.

[Ox]

Okay, I've spent a few minutes playing around with the other options. First, the bad news: DPjudge may actually be the prettiest of these crack whores. Several of them don't have graphical maps at all -- this is probably a dealbreaker for all except the most experienced players.

I do kind of like http://www.stabbeurfou.org though. You can input orders through a point-and-click interface! It's not idiot-proof, but it might make things easier. It will also warn you if you order a unit to a province to which it cannot travel, and it gives a warning if you order an army to move to a province for which it will need a convoy.

EDIT: I also am willing to try http://www.dipbounced.com, which has a map that's much easier to read (you can alter the settings and even fit-to-screen). And it's got a what-if function: plug in moves for all seven players, and the server will adjudicate them and tell you what the result would be. That would conceivably save me hours of labor with my board and handwritten notes. I could start plotting moves out three or four years in advance! Muahahahaha.

[Serapth]

2010-01-13 08:08:00 (GMT) : I offer a bottle of (french) champagne to however manages to find a bug in stabbeurfou adjudication engine....

Too bad the offer doesn't extend to grammar... I could use a bottle of (French) champagne.

By the way:

[Cousins' Angry Law] If you are in a position where you have a back door, be very good friends with your neighbour. If you decide later to anger that neighbour, be sure that the neighbour you really angered at your front door has died first.

This.... this is.... disturbing. ;)

I am seriously tempted to create a better online Diplomacy. If I knew the rules inside and out I probably would. Its appalling how ugly and unfriendly these implementations seem to be. Then again, that seems true of the original 'board' game, so perhaps it draws a certain crowd, no?

[Ox]

Dude, I know the rules pretty well. If you actually had an interest in building a better mousetrap, I could probably help you with the adjudication algorithm.

EDIT: Admittedly the board game's rules are no easier, but my copy of the physical game is rather pretty. Painted metal game pieces, colorful but dignified map with excellent legibility.

[Serapth]

Dude, I know the rules pretty well. If you actually had an interest in building a better mousetrap, I could probably help you with the adjudication algorithm.

EDIT: Admittedly the board game's rules are no easier, but my copy of the physical game is rather pretty. Painted metal game pieces, colorful but dignified map with excellent legibility.

Hmmm, this is actually kinda tempting and would fit in with a different side (quasi-professional) project I was kicking around in my head. The mechanics wouldn't actually be that difficult ( it is a turned based, 100% real player based game after all ) to implement, outside of actually validating the game rules that is... hell, I could even easily recycle code from Flexamail to allow some pretty advanced email processing. Hmmm...

Don't suppose Diplomacy is in the public domain?

EDIT: Just checked and Diplomacy is in the hands of Wizards of the Coast, from Hasbro. Not going to touch this with a thousand foot pole!

[Nameless]

I'd be up for changing, too, though I honestly didn't mind DPJudge that much. I played webdiplomacy.net for a bit, but I didn't like the way you sent press on that one. Also, functional or not, http://www.stabbeurfou.org (http://www.stabbeurfou.org)has to be the ugliest site design I've ever seen! It's worse than GeoCities.

Ideally, everyone would have a chance to play a live game first, to get the idea of how the game works down, but that's just not possible. I felt the new Avalon Hill rules (http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/Diplomacy_Rulebook.pdf)(from the version I actually own) are not bad. There's also a short guide for new players (http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/Diplomacy_FiveMinGuide.pdf) explaining the basics and clearing up a few oddities.

Since we're going to be playing anonymously (I assume), if you have a rules question or clarification, you might even be able to post it in this thread for answers, as long as you're not specific about provinces. Though contacting the GM directly would probably be the best (and safest) way.

Anyway, I'm hoping this'll be a good game that we can actually finished. I've played Diplomacy five times in total, and I've never seen the Endgame.

[Ox]

There's also http://www.worldleadersthegame.com/index.php which looks like the slickest implementation.

[Serapth]

There's also http://www.worldleadersthegame.com/index.php which looks like the slicket implementation.

Ok, that does look seriously slicket! That was basically, well, exactly what I envisioned in my minds eye when I would create a better Diplomacy, at least ascetically. Now... whats with the coming soon?


Actually, its staggering how far beyond the other implementations that is in regards to approachability.

[Nameless]

There's also http://www.worldleadersthegame.com/index.php which looks like the slickest implementation.

That does look pretty good. It kinda sucks that we wouldn't be able to see more than three turns worth of order history, though. I suppose it's not that big a deal.

I do like the interface. And the addition of IMs could be interesting.

[Serapth]

Cant help but think Google Wave and Diplomacy are in some ways made for each other.

[Ox]

I don't know about the "Coming Soon", but I just set up an account at WorldLeaders and it seems fucking badass. Unless I hear a really good reason, I think we should at least try this bad boy.

Christ, after slaving through DPjudge and those other godawful sites, I'm almost sexually aroused by this interface.

[Nameless]

Cant help but think Google Wave and Diplomacy are in some ways made for each other.

Yeah, I was thinking that as well. All you'd need is a solid map gadget. Could you feasibly create an adjudicator in Google Wave, or do you think it would rely on a human GM?

[Serapth]

I don't know about the "Coming Soon", but I just set up an account at WorldLeaders and it seems fucking badass. Unless I hear a really good reason, I think we should at least try this bad boy.

Christ, after slaving through DPjudge and those other godawful sites, I'm almost sexually aroused by this interface.

Im down to trying it. So far, is it free, or near to free? There has to be a catch, there always is.

Did you read the page about the creators? Its almost laugh out loud funny... a NY lawyer was looking for a way to play Diplomacy online, found all online sites sucked, so solicited a friend to help develop a better solution.

Damned near karmic.

[Ox]

There is a premium membership which costs money, but it looks like my free membership is awfully functional. The only restriction I can see at the moment is that I can't have more than 20 active games at once.

[Jackel]

I'm down for a game if a spot is available.

[Ox]

All right, we've definitely got enough people I think. We've actually got one extra.

Nameless
Jeffool
Loki
Ox
quidmonkey
Whunpo
Serapth
Jackel

Serapth and Jackel, you guys decide between yourselves which of you is the lucky winner. Who's our GM, Urizen or TheKeck? Whoever it is should set up a game on WorldLeader and let us know.

I'm excited to play with my shiny toy.

EDIT: Please make sure the game is unscored. We're not supposed to participate in the tournaments because we know each other.

[Serapth]

Jackel can gave the spot, I'll get in on the next round.

[Jackel]

Haha...Actually I was going to suggest that Serapth take the spot. I don't have as much time as I thought I did.

[TheKeck]

I'm not sure about this new site, but I'll give it a go.

http://www.worldleadersthegame.com/index.php

http://www.worldleadersthegame.com/join_game/private.php

Game Code : 1264137871
Password : keckrules

[TheKeck]

I'm not even sure this site really uses a GM. It gives me the option to join my own game, and I don't see any way to administer it or anything.

[Loki]

It says that I cannot locate the game.

We are gonig to be at worldleadersthegame.com, right?

[Ox]

Yeah, I'm getting the same error.

EDIT: I emailed tech support.

[Superman's Dead]

Well this is another fine mess you've gotten us into.

Edit: Sidenote. I'm in my final semester of college and taking Comp II due to laziness. But not only is the teacher a really cool guy, he's setting all of our projects around World War I. I am thrilled. The other ten people in the class, not so much.

[TheKeck]

Any luck guys? I'd try to connect to the game myself, but then I'm afraid I'd be stuck in it as a player.

There seem to be some... less than ideal things about this site as well. I created one game, and mistakenly made the turn lengths too short. I lost the Game Code for that game, though, and now I think it's just stuck out in the ether, forever doomed to sit empty and unusable.

[TheKeck]

Or, it looks like... possibly the games were removed because nobody joined them fast enough???? Last night I could see them by browsing all games, and today I can't.

Might I suggest that someone who plans on actually playing create a game and then immediately join it and see how that goes?

[Ox]

Okay, I'll try.

Here we go:

Game Name: CoG Game 1
Game Code: 1264210769
Game Password: kecksucks

EDIT: It looks like it's possible to quit out of a game once you've joined, for future reference.

[Nameless]

Okay, I'll try.

Here we go:

Game Name: CoG Game 1
Game Code: 1264210769
Game Password: kecksucks

EDIT: It looks like it's possible to quit out of a game once you've joined, for future reference.

Weird. I joined using those details, but it just tells me that I created a game, and then gives no further details.

I can see the game under View All Games, though.

[TheKeck]

Okay, I'll try.

Here we go:

Game Name: CoG Game 1
Game Code: 1264210769
Game Password: kecksucks

EDIT: It looks like it's possible to quit out of a game once you've joined, for future reference.
Awesome password tip for future reference, thanks.

[Loki]

Kk. I'm in.

[Jeffool]

In, and ready to decimate. (And then die.)

[Jackel]

So Serapth. Are you going to join this one then?

[Superman's Dead]

Joined. Cherished the password.

[Ox]

Weird. I joined using those details, but it just tells me that I created a game, and then gives no further details.

I can see the game under View All Games, though.
You might double-check to be absolutely sure you're a member of this game -- it's telling me that there are four members in the game already, even though four of you have said you've joined.

Maybe it doesn't count me when it says "four players", but I'm not sure.

And the rest of you: join up already!

[Whunpo]

OK, I think I'm joined up, but I'm not entirely sure.

[Ox]

You're not.

If you want to know if you're joined up, click the "My Games" tab. You should see a line that says, "Active Games" and that lists "CoG Game 1" as your active game. If you're not seeing that after clicking the "My Games" tab, you're not signed up.

Remember, this is a private game. When you click "Join Game" and see the page entitled "Please select the style of game you wish to play:", choose "Private Game".

[Nameless]

OK, I'm officially in now, bringing us up to 5. Once Whunpo and Jackel/Serapth are in, we're good to go!

[Superman's Dead]

It seems like the site is down, which is unfortunate for my obsessive clicking on everything.

[Ox]

It's back up. Waiting for the last two.

[Superman's Dead]

Bump! I wanna play. I've even read stuff!

[Whunpo]

It's saying I successfully joined, but not showing up in my games. I am very confused.

[Ox]

Whunpo, you are still not a member of the game. Try it again, and if it still doesn't work, I'll email the site manager.

Serapth, you're leaving me hanging here.

[Nameless]

It's saying I successfully joined, but not showing up in my games. I am very confused.

I was having that problem too. Once it says you've successfully joined the game, you have to click the green Join button again, then you'll ACTUALLY join the game. It's not very intuitive.

[Superman's Dead]

That's science! You can't argue with science.

[Serapth]

Serapth, you're leaving me hanging here.

Say who with the what now?

[Superman's Dead]

He wants you to go to www.worldleadersthegame.com and join our Keck Sucks game of Keck Sucks.

[Ox]

Serapth, follow these (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showpost.php?p=468431&postcount=285) instructions or face my wrath.

And thanks, Nameless, for clarifying the proper procedure.

[Serapth]

Hm, I thought I abdicated.

Ok, don't want to be facing Ox's wrath.


UGH, I appear to be waiting on a sign up verification email. For the record, these guys know jackshit about usability.

[Serapth]

Oh FFS...

You have successfully created a private game. Other players can join by using the code and password listed below.
Game Code :
Password :

[Superman's Dead]

That happens. Just keep clicking.

[Serapth]

That happens. Just keep clicking.

Ug, what bad UI.

I am in... i think.

[Nameless]

Ug, what bad UI.

I am in... i think.

Good. Now, if you're Russia and I'm Turkey, please don't leave the game and be replaced with an anti-Turkish extremist. Please. Once was enough.

[Superman's Dead]

One more player! Giggle.

[Superman's Dead]

Would it be possible to just play with six if no one wants to sign up?

[Whunpo]

OK I finally got it going. Sorry guys, it's finals week. After this I'm pretty much free all the time.

[Superman's Dead]

Well you got the game started so you're my new favorite-

FINALS WEEK!? In what ungodly place do they force you to do finals in January?

[Whunpo]

Well you got the game started so you're my new favorite-

FINALS WEEK!? In what ungodly place do they force you to do finals in January?
It's high school. Isn't that common practice for high schools? But yeah. Finals in January suck. A lot.

Also: Turkey represent!

[Ox]

FIRST-TIMERS! (And everybody, really):

Check out these (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showpost.php?p=300751&postcount=66) short videos and this (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showpost.php?p=300751&postcount=66) post.

Good luck to all.

[Serapth]

For all my annoyances so far, I must say the new interface is much much much much friendlier.


Oh, and pile on the newbie!

[Serapth]

Wow, giant act of stupid....

You have to enter your communications online using the website....

And, it automatically logs you in to and out of the IM client when you hit the site.

AND, there is a list of currently players on the site...


Basically makes being anonymous pretty damned difficult.

[Ox]

And, it automatically logs you in to and out of the IM client when you hit the site.
No it doesn't. I see that you are on the site right now, but all of the countries are currently listed as "offline" in the IM client.

[Superman's Dead]

It's high school. Isn't that common practice for high schools? But yeah. Finals in January suck. A lot.

Also: Turkey represent!

Oh yeah! They did, didn't they? Jesus. That feels like forever ago. Only one more session of finals in my life ever. I am pumped.

[Whunpo]

Oh yeah! They did, didn't they? Jesus. That feels like forever ago. Only one more session of finals in my life ever. I am pumped.

You lucky sunuvabitch. I've got 5 more years of school after this. :eek:

[Loki]

Wow, giant act of stupid....

You have to enter your communications online using the website....

And, it automatically logs you in to and out of the IM client when you hit the site.

AND, there is a list of currently players on the site...


Basically makes being anonymous pretty damned difficult.

You have to select the chat bubble to log into the IM.

[Serapth]

Ok, posting here just so I can try to get it out of my recent activity list!!!

[Serapth]

This game is seeming doomed for failure for some reason.

Plus it penalized me for not submitting retreat orders?!?! wtf?

[Loki]

I don't even know what retreat orders are.

[Serapth]

Something is seriously wrong, none of my moves have registered even though ive locked them in. Seriously WTF.

Frankly, I think I quit, as you know, not being able to move is a pretty big handicap.

[Superman's Dead]

I think it was just something from yesterday; I'm in another game where the same problem affected some of the countries.

[Serapth]

I think it was just something from yesterday; I'm in another game where the same problem affected some of the countries.

I don't know whats going on, but I havent had a single move actually happen. First moved looked like it was working, but didnt. Since then, nothing has taken.

Frankly, two moves of nothing is as good as terminal as you can get in this game, already missed out on 1 production, and should be taking another today.

Not bothering with issuing orders anymore, as I am already basically as screwed as you can get.


Graphically its nice, but otherwise, not looking too good performance wise.

[Ox]

The question now is, do we continue with this game or restart on dpjudge? At least dpjudge, while ugly and annoying, usually permits people to submit orders.

EDIT: In case it's not clear, my vote is dpjudge.

[Nameless]

The question now is, do we continue with this game or restart on dpjudge? At least dpjudge, while ugly and annoying, usually permits people to submit orders.

EDIT: In case it's not clear, my vote is dpjudge.

I'm in for dpjudge as well.

[Serapth]

Are there any other games that can be played online? Something like Axis and Allies or Risk might be a nice alternative, as this game seemed to be really... well, quite.


Put it this way, I think I have Ox pegged, as only one nation sent me > 1 paragraph worth of email.

[Jeffool]

Yeah; let's either restart or find something else. :\Put it this way, I think I have Ox pegged, as only one nation sent me > 1 paragraph worth of email.Which is funny, as I'm kinda confident I've got him as well. Isn't that right... *rips off mask*Herr Ox!(What was your guess, S-Man?)

[Serapth]

Yeah; let's either restart or find something else. :\Which is funny, as I'm kinda confident I've got him as well. Isn't that right... *rips off mask*Herr Ox!(What was your guess, S-Man?)

Nein!
Her Royal Highness Ox!

[Jeffool]

Nein!
Her Royal Highness Ox!Funny, that individual only spoke to me once; and that was after it was more or less a dead game.

[Loki]

I think Ox is Germany or Austria. I have guesses for each of you though.

[Whunpo]

Pretty sure Ox is Austria.

[Ox]

Okay, let's call it. And yes, I'm Austria.

[Nameless]

I pulled Germany, and things were going much better for me in this game than the last!

So, Ox was Austria, Serapth was France, Whunpo was Turkey... Jeffool, were you Italy?

[Jeffool]

I was indeed! And after making some headway on Turkey, I was going to ask Russia to help me take out Austria. :\

[Serapth]

I pulled Germany, and things were going much better for me in this game than the last!

So, Ox was Austria, Serapth was France, Whunpo was Turkey... Jeffool, were you Italy?

I'm pretty easy to guess.... im the guy who didn't move.

[Nameless]

I'm pretty easy to guess.... im the guy who didn't move.

Haha, yeah, I'd figured that one out. Sorry I moved in on you, by the way. I couldn't say no to a paralyzed opponent! :)

[Loki]

I was Britain.

[Superman's Dead]

I was Russia. DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN. Please let's play someplace else we can trust; I'm in a game with pubbies and half of them didn't write me back. I much preferred playing with you guys.

[Serapth]

Haha, yeah, I'd figured that one out. Sorry I moved in on you, by the way. I couldn't say no to a paralyzed opponent! :)

You were going to stab my back no matter what I did... its in Germany's nature! ;)

[Nameless]

I agree with Supes! DPJudge, anyone? Perhaps we can rope Keck into GMing for us!

[Superman's Dead]

Well if you guys figure something out, I hope you'll keep me updated.

In the other game I'm playing (whereiamstillrussiawhygodwhy), Austria foolishly attacked me for no reason in the middle of a 'truce'. Yes, I was going to split him with Italy ANYHOW, but he could have bought himself more time to get me first if he hadn't wanted Rumania so bad that he couldn't keep it in his pants.

Also, people walking away from games seems pretty common: we lost Turkey, France, and England after three or four turns. Now instead of feeling like I have negotiating power I feel like a dog in a cage fight, and Germany's on steroids.

[benson]

Hey guys. So I just read through some of this thread, and if you guys start a new game or a different game and need an additional player, I'd be in. I'd never ventured into the analog gaming forum until today and now wish I had.

[Woodman663]

Hello there,

I have no idea how I came here, but I just wanted to point out that http://diplomacy.denes.nl is a great diplomacy site. The only disadvantage for you guys I can think of is that it does reveal the e-mail addresses of those who participate.

I hope it helps you!

[Superman's Dead]

Woah. The notion of writing news reports (especially hilarious ones like those) is awesome.

[Jeffool]

As our last attempt at Diplomacy ends with more of a whimper than a bang, allow me to float an idea out there...

Civilization 4.

I've never played a large online game before, and I'm thinking "one turn a day," so it'd be "VERY long term." And yeah, it'd start slow while we found our footing, but it's an idea. Should I make a thread in another forum so we can kick this around?

The base game only costs $20 on Steam.

[Nameless]

As our last attempt at Diplomacy ends with more of a whimper than a bang, allow me to float an idea out there...

Civilization 4.

I've never played a large online game before, and I'm thinking "one turn a day," so it'd be "VERY long term." And yeah, it'd start slow while we found our footing, but it's an idea. Should I make a thread in another forum so we can kick this around?

The base game only costs $20 on Steam.

I'd be so in. I'm pumped enough for Civ 5 as it is. I've actually never played Civ with real people before. I imagine it would suck in the early stages at one turn per day, though.

On the other hand, I would have the best-managed cities I've ever had!

[Jeffool]

I'd be so in. I'm pumped enough for Civ 5 as it is. I've actually never played Civ with real people before. I imagine it would suck in the early stages at one turn per day, though.

On the other hand, I would have the best-managed cities I've ever had!heh, I mean "one move a day," as the minimum. Maybe think of it more like "You must make your move and advance the game within 24 hours of the beginning of your turn." So depending on the number of people we have, it would start very fast, but soon it could be a couple of days between each turn.

[Panthera]

As our last attempt at Diplomacy ends with more of a whimper than a bang, allow me to float an idea out there...

Civilization 4.

I've never played a large online game before, and I'm thinking "one turn a day," so it'd be "VERY long term." And yeah, it'd start slow while we found our footing, but it's an idea. Should I make a thread in another forum so we can kick this around?

The base game only costs $20 on Steam.

I'm totally in.

[Scull]

Civ IV. In. Totally in.

[Superman's Dead]

I don't have a computer of my own at present. =(

*A Charlie Brown Christmas music plays*

[Panthera]

I suggest starting a thread in PC Gaming Sanctuary for the Civ IV game.

[Jeffool]

I suggest starting a thread in PC Gaming Sanctuary for the Civ IV game.I will, I just wanted to give all of those who were in our Diplomacy thread here to have a chance to weigh in before I opened it to others.

But, those interested:
Myself (Jeffool)
Nameless
Panthera
Scull


Superman's Dead... Sorry pal. That really sucks. :\

[Scull]

Ok, we've opened it to the rest of those technocrats. See here for Civ IV: http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=15830