View Full Version : WWDC 09 - iPhone updates?
Wraith
06-08-2009, 09:48 AM
Apple's WWDC keynote starts in about an hour and 15 min. (1:00PM eastern, 10:00AM pacific.) Seems like everyone's expecting them to announce a new iPhone. I'm hoping we'll see a new iPod Touch announced.
Since it's a developer's conference, they're sure to talk about the upcoming Snow Leopard version of OS X. And rumors say there may be some notebook updates, as well.
WWDC 2009 Rumor Roundup: iPhone, Snow Leopard, Laptops? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/07/wwdc-2009-rumor-roundup/) (Mac Rumors)
Mac Rumors Live (http://www.macrumorslive.com/)
Gizmodo liveblog (http://live.gizmodo.com/)
Engadget liveblog (http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/phil-schiller-keynote-live-from-wwdc-2009/)
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:07 AM
“So in this keynote, we’d like to tell you about some of the things we’re doing on the Mac, the iPhone and the iPod touch.”
So we will get something on the iPod Touch... whether it's new hardware or OS/functionality additions.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:09 AM
New 15" MacBook Pro. Has SD card slot, better screen, new longer-lasting non-removable battery. Max 8GB RAM, 3.06 dual core, 500GB HDD or 256GB SSD. Starts at $1699. Graphics are 9400M or 9600M GT+9400M (switches between onboard and dedicated, I assume?).
Psykoboy2
06-08-2009, 11:10 AM
Whew! Looks like I dodged a bullet. He mentions a new 15-inch MBP and I just bought mine two weeks ago. Luckily, I don't need the battery from the 17-inch and I happen to like my express card slot. No need to trade it in for an SD card slot.
Psykoboy2
06-08-2009, 11:11 AM
Whoops....maybe I spoke to soon.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:13 AM
Similar changes for 13" MacBook...
which is becoming a Pro.
Has firewire 800?
starting at $1200
Only 17" has expresscard, I guess.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:16 AM
macbook air now starts at $1500.
$1800 for the 256GB 128GB SSD version.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:19 AM
Gizmodo's auto-updating liveblog is working pretty well. Mac Rumors is down (not surprising).
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:20 AM
Now they're being all smarmy about Windows 7.
Voodoo
06-08-2009, 11:20 AM
OS X Leopard is the best selling software Apple has ever released. Users and press love it; best OS written for vast majority of consumers. Sharp contrast to Vista.
Think so huh? How about you release it on non-Apple hardware then? I'd certainly like to run OS X on my Gateway.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:22 AM
"They’re adding a 3D rendering for the Dock."
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:24 AM
Cuts down install size by about 6GB (using file compression). Supposed to install faster. Open JPGs and PDFs faster.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:25 AM
Safari 4 out today.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:35 AM
QuickTime actually looks much improved.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:47 AM
"So how should we price Snow Leopard? We want all Leopard users to upgrade to this, so we are pricing at $29."
"And you can get a family pack for $49."
Available September.
Hey, for $30, I'll bite.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 11:50 AM
"More than 40,000,000 iPhones plus iPod touches have been sold."
digitalErich
06-08-2009, 12:00 PM
Only Apple, with it's user base, could "announce" MMS two years into a phone's life in this day and age and not have people laugh them off the stage.
Edit: OH SNAP! and it won't even be ready until the end of summer. Haha.
KidCactus
06-08-2009, 12:03 PM
Edit: OH SNAP! and it won't even be ready until the end of summer. Haha.
For AT&T, that is.
digitalErich
06-08-2009, 12:03 PM
Yeah, no Teathering with AT&T either...way to go on that exclusive partnership deal there Apple. Nice work on that one.
civil
06-08-2009, 12:06 PM
AT&T sucks a big bag of donkey dick.
digitalErich
06-08-2009, 12:09 PM
Remote wipe and location functionality is downright epic...too bad you have to be a MobileMe customer.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 12:48 PM
iPhone 3GS
faster, more powerful
digitalErich
06-08-2009, 12:51 PM
The new hardware is pretty blah if you ask me. Great for new owners, but not worth scrapping an existing iPhone for.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 12:54 PM
can take 30fps VGA video.
digitalErich
06-08-2009, 12:55 PM
Voice control? That's great, but it was great 5 years ago, too. The fact that they take time in a presentation to point this out is laughable...the correct way to announce this is to bury it in the patch notes so people don't realize you are just now adding this to your "super phone."
Wraith
06-08-2009, 01:00 PM
Improved battery life.
$199 16GB, $299 32GB
white and black versions
Wraith
06-08-2009, 01:01 PM
iPhone 3G (8GB) available for $99
digitalErich
06-08-2009, 01:02 PM
iPhone 3G (8GB) available for $99
Yeah, that's pretty huge and goes a long way to confirm those Walmart rumors that have been floating around for a while.
Psykoboy2
06-08-2009, 01:05 PM
I'm a Gen 1 user on the iPhone...4 GB model. I'm now thinking about upgrading.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 01:05 PM
Still haven't touched on the Touch yet. Hmm.
digitalErich
06-08-2009, 01:07 PM
I'm a Gen 1 user on the iPhone...4 GB model. I'm now thinking about upgrading.
That jump seems justified, but as a 3G user I just don't see the 3GS being worth it (I already have a DSLR). It's too bad too, on the top left corner of my iPhone, something is starting to peel off behind the glass...looks like little air bubbles. I was looking for an excuse to grab new hardware.
National Kato
06-08-2009, 01:10 PM
I just bought my 3G in March...nothing on that 3GS that I need/want that I'm not already getting with the 3.0 update.
cppcrusader
06-08-2009, 01:11 PM
I was really hoping the new iPhone hardware and price drop was going to have an effect on the Touch as well. Guess I'm going to have to stick to my plan of buying a refurb unit.
DoctorFinger
06-08-2009, 01:22 PM
Any price cuts on the Touch yet? My stepmother really wants one, and I really want to borrow it from her. :D
cppcrusader
06-08-2009, 01:25 PM
Any price cuts on the Touch yet? My stepmother really wants one, and I really want to borrow it from her. :D
Unless they're announcing it later in the week, there were none. I recently discovered Apple's refurb store and they have the 2nd gen 16GB Touch for $179.
Sandman
06-08-2009, 01:40 PM
Looks like iPhone 3G buyers get screwed on the update pricing this time around. When the iPhone 3G came out existing iPhone customers got a break I seem to remember.
New and end-of-contract pricing is set at $199 for 16GB and $299 for 32GB when it goes on sale June 18th Stateside and in 80 more countries in August -- and the current 8GB 3G will remain on sale for $99, effective immediately. You'll have to pay a bit more if you're mid-contract, though -- $299 for the 3G and $399/$499 for the 3G S.
Looks like I'll be waiting till next year's inevitable iPhone upgrade....the iPhone 3T.
Sweet, I'm glad I held off on buying a couple of months ago. I really wanted that 32gb of storage. I agree that the voice control, 3 megapixel camera, and MMS are pretty laughable "new" features.
Looks like iPhone 3G buyers get screwed on the update pricing this time around. When the iPhone 3G came out existing iPhone customers got a break I seem to remember.
I think that's about the same amount of "break" that the 3G upgraders got last year.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 01:46 PM
Any price cuts on the Touch yet? My stepmother really wants one, and I really want to borrow it from her. :DUnless they're announcing it later in the week, there were none.You'd think they'd have to. Especially when you look at the new iPhone lineup/pricing.
current iPod Touch lineup: $229 (8GB), $299 (16GB), $399 (32GB)
old iPhone 3G lineup: $199 (8GB), $299 (16GB), N/A (32GB)
new iPhone 3G/3GS lineup: $99 (8GB), $199 (16GB), $299 (32GB)
Sandman
06-08-2009, 01:47 PM
I think that's about the same amount of "break" that the 3G upgraders got last year.
There is no break if you bought a 3G because you'll still be in the middle of your contract.
There is no break if you bought a 3G because you'll still be in the middle of your contract.
Last year if you wanted to upgrade in the middle of your contract you had to pay $399 for the 8gb 3G or $499 for the 16gb 3G. This year you pay $299 for an 8gb 3G, $399 for a 16gb 3GS or $499 for the 16GB 3GS. You pay the same as you would last year. I think it was called the early upgrade discount.
Sandman
06-08-2009, 02:01 PM
Last year if you wanted to upgrade in the middle of your contract you had to pay $399 for the 8gb 3G or $499 for the 16gb 3G. This year you pay $299 for an 8gb 3G, $399 for a 16gb 3GS or $499 for the 16GB 3GS. You pay the same as you would last year. I think it was called the early upgrade discount.
I think if you were an original iPhone owner upgrading to 3G in the middle of a contract you got the low new/extended contract pricing. That was only for iPhone owners though. If you had any other phone you paid the full $399/499 price in the middle of a contract.
Wraith
06-08-2009, 02:29 PM
Remaining 16GB 3G units are supposedly marked down to $150. (Gizmodo (http://i.gizmodo.com/5283517/old-16gb-iphone-3g-marked-down-to-149-supplies-may-be-limited))
I think if you were an original iPhone owner upgrading to 3G in the middle of a contract you got the low new/extended contract pricing. That was only for iPhone owners though. If you had any other phone you paid the full $399/499 price in the middle of a contract.
No, the early upgrade was only for G1 iPhone users.
Sandman
06-08-2009, 02:47 PM
No, the early upgrade was only for G1 iPhone users.
You mean another phone to G1 iPhone? I thought they did an upgrade from iPhone -> 3G as well.
jeffbax
06-08-2009, 03:53 PM
Think so huh? How about you release it on non-Apple hardware then? I'd certainly like to run OS X on my Gateway.
How about you stop parroting the same failed notion that almost killed Apple once already. Premium product means premium price, just like any other market.
OS X exists to sell hardware, not the other way around. The support costs and gutting of hardware sales is overwhelmingly not worth what you and so many others are intent on repeating.
Voice control? That's great, but it was great 5 years ago, too. The fact that they take time in a presentation to point this out is laughable...the correct way to announce this is to bury it in the patch notes so people don't realize you are just now adding this to your "super phone."
I didn't watch WWDC yet, but I imagine its a little more involved than the voice dialing on current phones. Even if its not, I'd rather have Apple focus on more important features, like the App store and add the fluff iteratively like they are doing.
Looks like iPhone 3G buyers get screwed on the update pricing this time around. When the iPhone 3G came out existing iPhone customers got a break I seem to remember.
Looks like I'll be waiting till next year's inevitable iPhone upgrade....the iPhone 3T.
Call me silly, but I don't see the point in upgrading your phone every 6 months ;) My current iPhone works great, OS 3.0 will bring more improvements than the hardware (though the speed would be nice).
And the first iPhone to current was discounted most likely because they wanted to get people onto the 3G Price plans, and Edge -> 3G was a pretty significant change.
You mean another phone to G1 iPhone? I thought they did an upgrade from iPhone -> 3G as well.
No, G1 iPhone to iPhone 3G.
KidCactus
06-08-2009, 04:16 PM
I do NOT like the final release of Safari 4. The tabs are moves back down again and it's slower than the beta, it almost feels like somethings is wrong. Something about how the pages are drawn is just... off. And it feels like it re-downloads all images every time I reload a page, instead of using the cache.
jeffbax
06-08-2009, 04:28 PM
I do NOT like the final release of Safari 4. The tabs are moves back down again and it's slower than the beta, it almost feels like somethings is wrong. Something about how the pages are drawn is just... off. And it feels like it re-downloads all images every time I reload a page, instead of using the cache.
I've noticed the caching is much less agressive. Safari no longer eats up all your ram after leaving it open... I appreciate that myself. Haven't gotten the final version yet better do that now.
Matthias
06-08-2009, 04:35 PM
I do NOT like the final release of Safari 4. The tabs are moves back down again and it's slower than the beta, it almost feels like somethings is wrong. Something about how the pages are drawn is just... off. And it feels like it re-downloads all images every time I reload a page, instead of using the cache.
I agree with the speed so far, but I'm glad the tabs are moved back down. Now I can actually rearrange my tabs and pull one out to a new window, something I find plenty of need for. With the tabs up top, it treated each tab as just the top of the window.
Tethering is coming to AT&T after all. (http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/atandt-well-offer-tethering-on-the-iphone/)
Matthias
06-08-2009, 10:46 PM
Tethering is coming to AT&T after all. (http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/atandt-well-offer-tethering-on-the-iphone/)
Yeah it seemed pretty probable given the wording of various reports. Here's hoping it arrives with a reasonable price.
jeffbax
06-08-2009, 10:46 PM
Tethering is coming to AT&T after all. (http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/atandt-well-offer-tethering-on-the-iphone/)
Now the question remains, will it be the outrageous $30/month fee they put on top of existing phones.
KidCactus
06-09-2009, 03:47 AM
I agree with the speed so far, but I'm glad the tabs are moved back down. Now I can actually rearrange my tabs and pull one out to a new window, something I find plenty of need for. With the tabs up top, it treated each tab as just the top of the window.
But in the beta you could at least choose if you wanted the tabs on top or not, in the final release you're forced to have them down under.
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