CoG Weight Loss Club

[Karak]

Best bit of advice on here. I beat myself up constantly and it does not help my already poor self esteem.

There is a fine line between beating up on yourself and being hard on yourself. You HAVE to see that you are slipping. Acknowledge it and move into a frame of mind that work is how things get done.

Many people hammer on themselves because it is easier than just putting their fucking nose down and doing the work as well.
Both are a trap.

[carnage11]

100% correct.
Also watch restricting salt content that can actually stop weight loss. Yes we get alot in our food but some need more than others and it can indeed cause issues.


Yeah, I have high blood pressure, so I think that cutting the sodium will help with that. Sometimes I'll look at the sodium content of the stuff I used to eat and am disgusted. Especially the frozen stuff. Like frozen pizzas. They have as much as 60% of your daily sodium and that's in one meal! I try to eat healthier now, paying more attention to sodium, and I don't put salt on any of my meals anymore. I also try to get low sodium meats and soups and stuff. I've boosted my protein intake due to the workouts and I feel like I'm already seeing and feeling results.

[Inspector Fowler]

I'm still going strong with the P90X, but today was the first time I just couldn't finish a workout. I hate the yoga routine. I hate it because there is no real way to measure my progress. And my belly interferes with half the poses - I am flexible enough to do them but I just can't reach :mad:

I feel like I don't burn any calories with the yoga one, I just slowly burn my muscles and stretch (yes, I know that does burn calories). I made it partway through, my shoulders (one already has a problem) were killing me, and I just said, "Fuck it. I'll come back tomorrow with a better attitude."

Other than that, though, I am still really liking P90X. I can do a few pullups now, real, overhand grip pullups, and I couldn't even do one when I started.

[bapenguin]

I second portion control as a good way to start before you even begin to count calories. If you used to eat 3 slices of pizza, start eating 2. 2 hot dogs? Eat one. You don't have to drop everything great you used to eat all at once, but changing up portions is a good place to start.

You will be hungry after words. But give it 15 minutes, even 30 minutes, it'll pass. After a few weeks that will go away and you can start counting calories to get down again.

[civil]

Also, drinking lots of water with your meals helps.

[H.Bogard]

Also, drinking lots of water with your meals helps.

Preferably before your meals.

I didn't have a look at the weighing machine, but during the winter I had gained around 10lbs as well as having my abs reduced to a mere two-pack. But I've been working out harder with a partner for two weeks now, and have already recovered, with a new benefit this time around: I eat craploads of whatever I want! The trick is to just work it off after you've eaten.

[bapenguin]

So I went to go buy a new pair of jeans today, as I said earlier I was a 40 waist but now I'm a 36..at least I thought I was.

Turns out most 34's fit pretty well, a little snug, but nothing the last 5 pounds won't make better.

I gotta say it was one of the best feelings ever. What's even better was I was buying these as a b-day present to myself, and they were WAY more than I would ever spend on an article of clothing - but I wanted to do something different. Got to the register, and they rang up 50% off.

As Ice Cube said... Today was a good day.

[bapenguin]

Ok, so some photo progress. I don't have many good "old" shots of me, but...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3012/2661930365_de23e3fc97.jpg
2008 (about 245 lbs)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4356299969_a785868ab4.jpg
2010 (203 lbs)

Also sporting the new jeans.

[Borthcollective]

Looking good, keep up the good work.

[H.Bogard]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4356299969_a785868ab4.jpg
2010 (203 lbs)

Also sporting the new jeans.

Hello Adam Sandler! What brings ye to our forums?

[civil]

Nick, you are looking fine.

[Inspector Fowler]

Actually, you look a lot like Ken Block to me.

[bapenguin]

Actually, you look a lot like Ken Block to me.

Had to look that up, but I can see it.

Thanks for the kind words guys! Helps keep me motivated to keep going.

[Generation ABXY]

With that pose, my first thought was Haruhi Suzumiya...

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7720/hasui.jpg

Actually, you look a lot like Ken Block to me.

...but I completely agree with that. Well spotted! :D

[Crittias]

I started two hundred squats (http://twohundredsquats.com/), one hundred pushups (http://www.hundredpushups.com/), and two hundred situps (http://www.twohundredsitups.com/). Easy way to get back to exercising, and very doable while watching KU Bball.

[civil]

Holy crap. I was just saying to the missus last night that I needed to find some sort of comprehensive program for exactly these things including the pull-ups (P90 ordering was a debacle). Thanks millions.

[wyeast]

With that pose, my first thought was Haruhi Suzumiya...

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7720/hasui.jpg

*spittles Ginger Ale all over the keyboard*

BWAHAHAHHAHHAH :D

Really tho', lookin' good BA. Better than the rest of us fat mofos. :mad: ;)

[BlackPete]

Two of my biggest obstacles to exercise and body building are that gyms are so damn boring, and I dislike floundering with machines and techniques without guidance. But personal trainers and activities which would be stimulating - such as sports teams or martial arts - are expensive.

I'm not familiar with the terrains of North Carolina, but don't you have the Appalachian mountains in that area? An occasional hike in the woods would go a long way to get the ball rolling -- especially if you go uphill and climb a "summit" or two. Or maybe ride a bike on long quiet country roads for an hour or so. Exercise doesn't need to be restricted to boring routines in the gym.

My biggest obstacle to dieting is that the foods I know are best for me - such as broccoli :( - I never developed a taste for them. I realize that possibly the biggest factor to making a lifestyle change is sucking it up and making up one's mind, but I'd certainly appreciate tips from others who've already faced these things down.

You don't need to start forcing yourself to eat "healthy" stuff you can barely stand. You can actually have a bit of fun with that -- mix it up and turn it into something you'd like. Broccoli is actually a good example -- most people oversteam it (or even boil it) so it turns out super yucky and unappealing with puke-green colour. Far better to roast it then drizzle either lemon juice (NOT the bottled kind) or balsamic vinegar and olive oil over it. Sprinkle on a bit of salt, toasted sesame seed, flax seed, or chopped parsley or whatever herb on it to punch up flavour. You'd be surprised how many stuff you used to hate can turn into a new favourite snack food once done in a different way.

I cut out regular soda a long time ago, but I probably drink too much diet. I also still have sweet tea pretty frequently. (It is the south.) I've never been a beer drinker. I try to keep water handy to swig on throughout the day.

Diet soda is evil -- while it has zero calories, it does stimulate hunger, and you get the munchies.

[Karak]

Diet soda is evil -- while it has zero calories, it does stimulate hunger, and you get the munchies.

Diet soda is more of a marker than a proven hunger stimulator.
Proven points have been that it fizzes up and might stretch the stomach and so forth but of course that can happen with anything.

However, marking it as evil would be the same as marking a burger, an occasional icecream, or other items "evil"
Lets just put it as we put all things. Into the catagory of moderation.

Having loved my diet soda for going on 14 years now and drinking anywhere from 12-24 cans a day at TIMES, not all the time. I can say it never stimulated hunger. But then again I am not that interested in food as a whole.
Anyway moderation.
Unless it comes to KFC. Then eat as much as you can.

[BlackPete]

However, marking it as evil would be the same as marking a burger, an occasional icecream, or other items "evil"


Except that burgers or ice cream have never been advertised as "healthy". Unless you're talking about the "healthier" versions such as sugar-free ice cream -- in which case many people think it's OK to eat more of it and end up eating the same amount of (if not more) calories as before.

[Karak]

Except that burgers or ice cream have never been advertised as "healthy". Unless you're talking about the "healthier" versions such as sugar-free ice cream -- in which case many people think it's OK to eat more of it and end up eating the same amount of (if not more) calories as before.

Advertising is a separate discussion. A label if you will.
Sort of like how you labeled it as evil. Things labeled healthy are not always healthy.
And just this morning I did see icecream labeled as the "healthy choice" but that's beside the point.
It is of course healthier than drinking tons of suger. But it, like normal soda, has to be in moderation.

[carnage11]

I've also heard that Aspartame makes you infertile, so if you want kids, you probably should drink diet sodas that contain Aspartame.

[Karak]

I've also heard that Aspartame makes you infertile, so if you want kids, you probably should drink diet sodas that contain Aspartame.

Yes:)
Got that covered.
I also heard it causes awesomness and I got that covered too.

EDIT: And the new word is Obesogen. Load me up on some of those bitches.

[Inspector Fowler]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4356299969_a785868ab4.jpg

Had to look that up, but I can see it.

http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn351/InspectorFowler/ken-block-portrait.jpg

I was too lazy to look for the exact right pose, but Ken Block is frequently standing/posing similarly to how you are standing in that picture.

[wyeast]

I've also heard that Aspartame makes you infertile, so if you want kids, you probably should drink diet sodas that contain Aspartame.

Either that, or it gives you SUPER sperm that splits eggs in two! :eek:

[Datul]

A small curbing goes a long way.

... Then curb more.



Not to derail too much, but the man has a very good point here.

Spoilered due to gratuitous violence.
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Edit: On topic -- I've bounced around quite a bit with the weight loss/regain cycles and am not happy at all right now. I could stand to drop 50lbs, get back in the 200 range. I've tried weight loss competitions at work, but they don't hold up and I've been stagnant for a couple years.

The pics and stories here are inspiring, so this is my sign-up for the CoG weight loss club. I'll try to get some numbers and maybe 'before' pix.

[pronounconnoun]

I'm just going to jump in here:


I have lost between 15-20 pounds in the past two months. Starting on December 18, my birthday, I changed my eating habits and started going to the gym several times a week.

Background: In high school, I was 6.3 and weighed 160 pounds. In college, I weighed 180-190. When I graduated, I was 260. It was time to lose weight and I decided the best way to do that was to build muscle. I don't want to be as skinny as I was in high school because that was freaky. I think 200-220 is a good weight for me and I'm shooting for that. I try not to concentrate on "weight" since I am building muscle and I may end up weighing more than my desired weight, but for now it is necessary until I look and feel my best.

I work out at the most, five days a week. Cardio every day (running) and weight training three days. Rinichanraar has been very supportive and encouraging. I do not believe in "diets" since I associate it with a temporary process that will help me lose weight. But as soon as I stop, I do not want to balloon up again. So, I decided to change my eating habits to something that can sustain me at a reasonable weight.

I altered a lot of my unhealthy habits, including eating lots of candy and pastries, and drinking soda. I did not cut them out of my diet entirely, but I am more conscious of how much I eat. Before I could drink up to tree cans of Coke a day--now I only drink it when I'm at a restaurant or at a social event. Rarely ever at home. Rini has suffered by this one.

I'm eating smaller meals and trying to eat more frequently. This has been hard to accomplish and I am still struggling with this one. Also, more vegetables and fruits, less salt and condiments, and we're trying to eat out less.

Pictures later.

[civil]

Pictures later.
Of Rini, hopefully. ;)

[pronounconnoun]

Of Rini, hopefully. ;)

I am quite large and getting stronger than before, do you really want to go there? ;)

[wyeast]

I'm just going to jump in here:
Good on you, and good on DangerChan for bravely facing the soda-less wasteland with you. :o You're doing great.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/411/fistbump.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/i/fistbump.jpg/)

Hang tough, bruddah.

I am quite large...
Dude, tmi. :eek:

:p

Which is the part that's been tougher? The smaller meals, or eating more frequently?

Smaller meals it helps to load up on bulk (like cabbage & greens), stuff that gives you the sensation of "big meal" without it really being so. As for frequency, I find that by taking my natural "snacky" times and swapping out carbo-intensive snacks (like chips) for stuff like cured meats and cheeses, that it helps create a "mini-meal" that curbs hunger longer afterwards.

[civil]

I am quite large and getting stronger than before, do you really want to go there? ;)
You sure know how to sweet talk a fella.

[pronounconnoun]

Good on you, and good on DangerChan for bravely facing the soda-less wasteland with you. :o You're doing great.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/411/fistbump.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/i/fistbump.jpg/)

Hang tough, bruddah.


Dude, tmi. :eek:

:p

Thanks?

...I feel like there has been an increase in homosexual innuendo jokes since I have been away. Either that or I was so immersed in them that I didn't notice them.


Which is the part that's been tougher? The smaller meals, or eating more frequently?

Smaller meals it helps to load up on bulk (like cabbage & greens), stuff that gives you the sensation of "big meal" without it really being so. As for frequency, I find that by taking my natural "snacky" times and swapping out carbo-intensive snacks (like chips) for stuff like cured meats and cheeses, that it helps create a "mini-meal" that curbs hunger longer afterwards.

Eating more. It's just instinct to eat until I am filled, so I do. My meals have gotten smaller, but I do not get hungrier more frequently as a result. I do not like eating only a little bit and leaving a little hunger before stopping because it makes it hard to go through my day. I'm working on it. Mainly with fruit and healthy snack bars.

I didn't want to go into the "low carb" territory since I'm Japanese and Mexican, so either way I'm eating rice for dinner.

[wyeast]

Thanks?

...I feel like there has been an increase in homosexual innuendo jokes since I have been away. Either that or I was so immersed in them that I didn't notice them.
It's always been around. You've been buffered by it because usually we're hurling ourselves at DangerChan's feet. :o


Eating more. It's just instinct to eat until I am filled, so I do. My meals have gotten smaller, but I do not get hungrier more frequently as a result. I do not like eating only a little bit and leaving a little hunger before stopping because it makes it hard to go through my day. I'm working on it. Mainly with fruit and healthy snack bars.

I didn't want to go into the "low carb" territory since I'm Japanese and Mexican, so either way I'm eating rice for dinner.

That's where the added bulk helps. You don't necessarily leave the table feeling hungry (still), but it can come back sooner. Try to eat more slowly - that helps you with the "eating until I'm full" as it ends up being less food to do so.

As for the rice, well, I haven't cut it out completely, but it is definitely less (portion and frequency-wise) than before.

[civil]

You could go vegan. I know when I'm in Mexico it fucks everyone's shit up.

[Generation ABXY]

...I feel like there has been an increase in homosexual innuendo jokes since I have been away. Either that or I was so immersed in them that I didn't notice them.

Yeah, not to worry, the site's always been this screwed up.

I didn't want to go into the "low carb" territory since I'm Japanese and Mexican, so either way I'm eating rice for dinner.

Heh, I got a good laugh out of that. :D

[carnage11]

You could go vegan. I know when I'm in Mexico it fucks everyone's shit up.

Wait....doesn't just being in Mexico fuck everyone's shit up? Like...I think it's the water or something. ;):D



On topic: I've started drinking Carnation Instant Breakfast for breakfast (imagine that!). They are an excellent source of vitamins and protein and it fills me up for the morning until my before lunch snack. It actually tastes pretty good too and it's quick, because I'm usually in a rush in the mornings. I try to eat 5 times a day. That's the usual 3 meals with 2 small "snack" meals in between. A little back history, I used to be quite the junk food junky. If I were to eat at Burger King or any other fast food joint, I would get a value meal plus another big sandwich. I've stopped that entirely. Completely cut out junk food. I stick with fish and veggies for the most part, but I do still eat a lot of chicken. Usually fill up on the veggies so that I don't eat so much meat. I gotta say I feel much better for it. I don't need the usual mid-day nap anymore. :p

Here's some more advice for eating less at meal times. Eat slowly. I used to almost literally inhale my food. Which would cause me to eat more than I needed and then feel sick afterward. Gorging myself, like it was my last meal. Eating slower allows your body to realize that it's full and stops you from over eating.

[pronounconnoun]

You could go vegan. I know when I'm in Mexico it fucks everyone's shit up.

Then I can't eat spam. Never.

Heh, I got a good laugh out of that. :D

I used to say that a lot in high school, except now I can do it in context to something. :D


On topic: I've started drinking Carnation Instant Breakfast for breakfast (imagine that!). They are an excellent source of vitamins and protein and it fills me up for the morning until my before lunch snack. It actually tastes pretty good too and it's quick, because I'm usually in a rush in the mornings. I try to eat 5 times a day. That's the usual 3 meals with 2 small "snack" meals in between. A little back history, I used to be quite the junk food junky. If I were to eat at Burger King or any other fast food joint, I would get a value meal plus another big sandwich. I've stopped that entirely. Completely cut out junk food. I stick with fish and veggies for the most part, but I do still eat a lot of chicken. Usually fill up on the veggies so that I don't eat so much meat. I gotta say I feel much better for it. I don't need the usual mid-day nap anymore. :p

Here's some more advice for eating less at meal times. Eat slowly. I used to almost literally inhale my food. Which would cause me to eat more than I needed and then feel sick afterward. Gorging myself, like it was my last meal. Eating slower allows your body to realize that it's full and stops you from over eating.

I used to do the same. Like at taco bell, getting a couple of enchiritos and tacos as well as finishing whatever the ladyfriend couldn't. That's a lot of food now that I think about it.

I'm secretly training for this:
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[MagGnome]

Having loved my diet soda for going on 14 years now and drinking anywhere from 12-24 cans a day at TIMES, not all the time. I can say it never stimulated hunger. But then again I am not that interested in food as a whole.

I'm really surprised that no one has commented on this. 12-24 cans a day? That's a HUGE amount of soda, and is definitely way too much for any one person.

Then again I haven't drank soda for over eight years now, so even three cans a day sounds like a lot to me. Twelve to twenty-four is just mind-boggling. :eek:

[Generation ABXY]

Yeah, I imagine my kidneys would have shut down...probably on the first day.

[Karak]

I'm really surprised that no one has commented on this. 12-24 cans a day? That's a HUGE amount of soda, and is definitely way too much for any one person.

Then again I haven't drank soda for over eight years now, so even three cans a day sounds like a lot to me. Twelve to twenty-four is just mind-boggling. :eek:

Doesn't seem like it was too much:)
But then again I do liver kidnet values and other tests once a year so good tests always give you a feeling of well being.

My values are insanely good. They were actually slightly better when drinking that much pop, but I assume thats a bit of an age thing. They are still outstanding.

Such is life.

[Handmade.Mercury]

Then I can't eat spam. Never.



I used to say that a lot in high school, except now I can do it in context to something. :D



I used to do the same. Like at taco bell, getting a couple of enchiritos and tacos as well as finishing whatever the ladyfriend couldn't. That's a lot of food now that I think about it.

I'm secretly training for this:
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Ugh, pho is so boring. This is coming from a Vietnamese person.

[TurboKinny]

Ugh, pho is so boring. This is coming from a Vietnamese person.
:confused:
Try being a white person with family ties in Iowa. Meat and potatoes all the time is infinitely more boring than pho.

Mmm, pho. I know where I'm going for lunch.

[civil]

Try being a white person with family ties in Iowa.
I did, but the FBI found me out anyway. :(

[wyeast]

I did, but the FBI found me out anyway. :(

Hah! Ah, memories. :o

[Zagrash]

I haven't been around here in awhile, but I just started on Insanity yesterday, and I can already tell it's going to completely kick my ass. I still need to start on p90x, but I'd really like to drop some weight before I start in on that. Insanity is a lot of hardcore cardio, which is really what I probably need right now.

I don't think I ever posted my starting stats, but I'm 6'6", currently about 282#. I have a larger frame, so I wouldn't say that I'm completely huge by any means, but I've got a gut that I'd love to get rid of, and would generally like to get into better shape.

Has anybody else tried Insanity, or know anybody that has? A friend of mine started on the program 6 weeks ago, and he loves it. He's a cop, so he's already in pretty good shape, but even he says it's a tough workout. After the fit test, and one day of the actual work outs, I can say it's definitely really hard, but I'm looking forward to the challenge, and I hope to get some results!

[carnage11]

I was watching the infomercial about Insanity last night. It looked pretty brutal, and I guess it would have to be to get those results in just 2 months. I've been doing P90X for the last 3 weeks now and I already see results and am happy with it. I also have a belly that I'd like to get rid of and in just 3 weeks I've already lost a belt notch. My wife says my belly is definitely getting smaller. Keep in mind that it's not just the workout but the diet as well. Because of my height and weight, I'm able to consume any where from 1800 to 2200 calories a day. But I've been sticking right around 1500. It works. You just gotta keep it up. I believe both P90X and Insanity are by the same company. BeachBody.com

[Zagrash]

I was watching the infomercial about Insanity last night. It looked pretty brutal, and I guess it would have to be to get those results in just 2 months. I've been doing P90X for the last 3 weeks now and I already see results and am happy with it. I also have a belly that I'd like to get rid of and in just 3 weeks I've already lost a belt notch. My wife says my belly is definitely getting smaller. Keep in mind that it's not just the workout but the diet as well. Because of my height and weight, I'm able to consume any where from 1800 to 2200 calories a day. But I've been sticking right around 1500. It works. You just gotta keep it up. I believe both P90X and Insanity are by the same company. BeachBody.com

Yeah, they are both Beachbody products. I've also got 10 minute Trainer from Beachbody, which was great for helping me drop a few pounds before my wedding last September. I've definitely been cutting down on the crap I've been eating, because yeah that absolutely helps a lot! I hope to get into P90X soon, my big problem is I really have nowhere around the house that's conducive to doing pull ups, which I understand is a huge part of the program. Since Insanity is really more cardio related, that works perfectly...although I probably need to find a different spot in my house to do it, the lower ceilings in my basement don't work so well for all of the jumping involved. I'll try to chime in after a few weeks and let you all know how it's going.

[carnage11]

Yeah, they are both Beachbody products. I've also got 10 minute Trainer from Beachbody, which was great for helping me drop a few pounds before my wedding last September. I've definitely been cutting down on the crap I've been eating, because yeah that absolutely helps a lot! I hope to get into P90X soon, my big problem is I really have nowhere around the house that's conducive to doing pull ups, which I understand is a huge part of the program. Since Insanity is really more cardio related, that works perfectly...although I probably need to find a different spot in my house to do it, the lower ceilings in my basement don't work so well for all of the jumping involved. I'll try to chime in after a few weeks and let you all know how it's going.

Dude, tell me about it. I practically live in a paper bag. I'm ~200 lbs. There's no door frame in my house that will support my weight. So I don't do any of the pull up stuff. Whoever said that pull ups is a large part of P90X was wrong. It's not. Shoulders and back yes, but the rest are all fine. I'm in your same situation. I have a couple of dumbbells. That's it. You can still do Cardio X, Kenpo X (which I just finished a few minutes ago, PHEW!) Shoulders and Arms, Legs and Back, Ab Ripper X, and all the rest. I also have very little room to do this in as well. I'm in my living room and I have a spot in front of the couch, literally, about 4 square foot. It's a little difficult doing kicks and stuff, but I make do.

Oh and anything that involves reaching above my head I have to do on my knees because my ceiling is like 7 foot. My hands smack the fan all the time, so I just get on my knees and do it. Ya gotta improvise....lol.

I was wanting to get one of those Iron Gym pull up bars, but my door frames will not support my weight. I really don't have any where I can do pull ups, so I just skip that part.

[PathMaster]

Anyone find a good way to exercise while video gaming?

Thinking of grabbing maybe a recumbent bike, but I am unsure if that will focus on the midsection?

[Karak]

Anyone find a good way to exercise while video gaming?

Thinking of grabbing maybe a recumbent bike, but I am unsure if that will focus on the midsection?

I do both pushups and situps during some loading screens. Sometimes bands.
But to be honest, I lift BEFORE I play. It removes the guilt and is something to look forward too.

[TurboKinny]

Got back in the gym today for the first time in two months (I've been doing yoga, but my running shoes were lost in the mail for far too long due to my move.) It's been a horribly crappy day, it was either wallow or go for a run. I did 2 miles on the elliptical in 15 minutes (2.5 miles overall)- it felt GREAT. I love this feeling :)

[Zagrash]

I'm through day 4 of Insanity, and it is freaking awesome...brutal as anything, but I love it! I've lost 3 pounds, and that's with eating about the same as I have been for a few months (which is admittedly better than I'd eaten previously). I just got done with today's routine, and I can't wait to see what's in store for me tomorrow.

[Borthcollective]

Well I've lost over 20 lbs this year so far by just eating less and eating better. To be fair, being sick for the first week of the year helped to kickstart it. I've started getting back into the gym and I'm prepping me up a food journal/exercise log that I can start keeping track on. I want to be under 300 by end of summer. I haven't been that small since, well I don't actually know how long it has been.

[DeathtollWRX]

Ok, so some photo progress. I don't have many good "old" shots of me, but...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3012/2661930365_de23e3fc97.jpg
2008 (about 245 lbs)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4356299969_a785868ab4.jpg
2010 (203 lbs)

Also sporting the new jeans.

You don't look 200lbs. Are like 6'2 or something?

Sorry to be late to the game.. I'm not really overweight but I decided to start reading this thread for the heck of it.

I'm 5'6 160LBS. The heaviest i've ever been in my life though I think according to BMI i'm 5 lbs over. I know that if I keep going the way I do I will eventually get to overwieght. Being asian I have a smaller structure so the extra lbs would easily show on me. Good work with all you guys getting slimmer.

[civil]

I'm 5'6 160LBS. The heaviest i've ever been in my life though I think according to BMI i'm 5 lbs over. I know that if I keep going the way I do I will eventually get to overwieght. Being asian I have a smaller structure so the extra lbs would easily show on me. Good work with all you guys getting slimmer.
Whoa, you're 5'6" and 160? I'm 5'8" and around 161 (insert SWF reference here). But I feel like I'm around 10 lbs overweight still. I need to re-check what the guv'ment thinks my weight should be. I may already be making the overlords happy!

[MagGnome]

I'm 6'1", but I'm not sure how much I weigh exactly, as I don't have a scale. I'm probably around 155-160lbs, as that's where I was the last time I was weighed.

[bapenguin]

You don't look 200lbs. Are like 6'2 or something?


I'm just under 6 foot, but thanks. I think my weight ends up looking skewed because my legs are so thick. I grew up playing soccer and have just always had thick muscular legs.

I've basically been stuck at 202 right now because my life is in chaos with moving. I've had 0 time to excercise, plus I've been stressed to high hell. Hopefully in a few weeks, things will settle, and I can get in a groove to finally get under 200.

[wyeast]

Sorry to be late to the game.. I'm not really overweight but I decided to start reading this thread for the heck of it.

I'm 5'6 160LBS. The heaviest i've ever been in my life though I think according to BMI i'm 5 lbs over.
Thanks. I can't remember the last time I was 160lbs. :mad:

:o :p :D

[Borthcollective]

Thanks. I can't remember the last time I was 160lbs. :mad:

:o :p :D

I feel like, for me, it might have been at birth.

[civil]

Honestly, I'm thinner now than in high school, probably junior high. Hell, maybe even elementary. :o

[TurboKinny]

Honestly, I'm thinner now than in high school, probably junior high. Hell, maybe even elementary. :o
I'm the size now that I was in 8th grade. Realizing that was a HOLY SHIT! moment for me. We're cool :cool:

[DeathtollWRX]

Thanks. I can't remember the last time I was 160lbs. :mad:

:o :p :D

yeah but you are probably alot taller than 5'6!

I'm Filipino man, I'm lucky i'm over 5'4!

[DeathtollWRX]

Whoa, you're 5'6" and 160? I'm 5'8" and around 161 (insert SWF reference here). But I feel like I'm around 10 lbs overweight still. I need to re-check what the guv'ment thinks my weight should be. I may already be making the overlords happy!

According to GUBMENT BMI i'm supposed to be 155 though even at 160 i'm a little meaty but no where near over weight. I think we need to see a new scale.

According to the charts 142 or so is my optimum wieght.. At 142 I was a freaking stick.

[wyeast]

yeah but you are probably alot taller than 5'6!

A whole inch, man. A whole inch.

:mad: :( :p :D

[MagGnome]

Honestly, I'm thinner now than in high school, probably junior high. Hell, maybe even elementary. :o

I'm definitely the thinnest I've been since at least 7th grade, as odd as that sounds. I weighed around 185lbs or so all through high school, but I started gaining weight in college. I topped out over 205lbs (I stopped weighing myself when I hit that point, but I doubt I ever weighed much more) at the end of my freshman year of college. I've lost around 50lbs since then, and it feels great! I dropped all the weight during my first year here in Minnesota.

I did get down to around 140-145 at one point, but thankfully I didn't stay there.

[DeathtollWRX]

A whole inch, man. A whole inch.

:mad: :( :p :D

That inch means alot when you only have 66 inches worth! You guys have a wieght loss thread but there is no getting taller thread! I get to talk about something too! :)

[pronounconnoun]

Finally broke 240! I've been stuck at 241 for two weeks. I had to stop working out because of my grandfather's funeral, getting sick unexpectedly, and spraining my ankle. So I finally got back into my workout groove this week. Increased my workout to include 2 miles on the treadmill followed by 1 mile on the elliptical. Also, more ab work with crunches and leg lifts. If anything, the past two weeks showed me that I can maintain my weight, even after Rini and I gorged on our 4 year anniversary weekend.

I am 6.2 at 238 and fit into my "skinny" jeans at size 36. According to BMI, I am Obese. I'll admit that I'm fat, but not THAT fat. Though I do have a small frame for my size...

[Jackel]

I had the oddest thing happen to me at the gym on Wed.

I weighed myself, and it showed up as 236. Which would mean that I lost almost 8 lbs during a 2 week period where I didn't get to the gym. Only thing it might have been is that I've been using livestrong to track my calories and have been staying under my daily allowance.

[MagGnome]

If I had a girlfriend as sweet, beautiful, and amazing as Rini, I surely wouldn't worry about something as trivial as my weight.

[DeathtollWRX]

If I had a girlfriend as sweet, beautiful, and amazing as Rini, I surely wouldn't worry about something as trivial as my weight.

People sometimes do it for themselves!

Maybe he wants to be in better shape for her?

You've been talking alot about women lately Mags... hmm!

[MagGnome]

People sometimes do it for themselves!

Maybe he wants to be in better shape for her?

You've been talking alot about women lately Mags... hmm!

I know, and good for Joey! :)

I sometimes wish I was into girls. I had a really cute waitress last night put her hand on my arm and tell me that I'm a very sweet guy. :cool:

[DeathtollWRX]

I know, and good for Joey! :)

I sometimes wish I was into girls. I had a really cute waitress last night put her hand on my arm and tell me that I'm a very sweet guy. :cool:

Hey maybe you could like guys and girls? Think about it! That's a 50% chance increase of finding love or sex whichever you prefer!

[MagGnome]

Hey maybe you could like guys and girls? Think about it! That's a 50% chance increase of finding love or sex whichever you prefer!

I'm just not wired that way.

While the waitress was very attractive, funny, and a total sweetheart, my interests lay with the host, who was quite the stud. :D

[Inspector Fowler]

I had a really cute waitress last night put her hand on my arm and tell me that I'm a very sweet guy. :cool:

Being something of a nice guy myself who is into girls, I can say that this never ended well for me when I was dating. Girls usually mean that to say, "You're like the really cool guy I can trust." which does not translate to, "I will reward you for being a nice guy with romantic interest".

On the topic of weight loss, I really stalled out for a while. The P90X has been whupping my ass. My arms and chest are bigger, and I can feel more strength and flexibility in areas I can't really see, like my flab covered stomach and my back.

But the downside is that working out intensely and having some more muscle has made me very, very hungry. So I lost all discipline with my eating for a while, and I'm still stuck at around 220.

I got a little sad about it, but I decided I would stay with the exercise, and go back to the structured eating habits that helped me lose the first 50 lbs. Even after a few days I already feel very different.

It's funny to me - I feel 100% better when I eat well, but sometimes my brain just tells me Wendy's would be better than feeling good. Gah! Oh well. Progress begins again, the weight loss goes marching on.

[DeathtollWRX]

Good thing your not LAPD. The last thing we need out here are cops that are muscle bound. They already beat people down without being physically fit.

[DeathtollWRX]

I'm just not wired that way.

While the waitress was very attractive, funny, and a total sweetheart, my interests lay with the host, who was quite the stud. :D


If you say so, i'll be keeping an eye on your posts :)

[Karak]

Being something of a nice guy myself who is into girls, I can say that this never ended well for me when I was dating. Girls usually mean that to say, "You're like the really cool guy I can trust." which does not translate to, "I will reward you for being a nice guy with romantic interest".

On the topic of weight loss, I really stalled out for a while. The P90X has been whupping my ass. My arms and chest are bigger, and I can feel more strength and flexibility in areas I can't really see, like my flab covered stomach and my back.

But the downside is that working out intensely and having some more muscle has made me very, very hungry. So I lost all discipline with my eating for a while, and I'm still stuck at around 220.

I got a little sad about it, but I decided I would stay with the exercise, and go back to the structured eating habits that helped me lose the first 50 lbs. Even after a few days I already feel very different.

It's funny to me - I feel 100% better when I eat well, but sometimes my brain just tells me Wendy's would be better than feeling good. Gah! Oh well. Progress begins again, the weight loss goes marching on.
I am totally the opposite, Vegan, Vegetarian, controlled, carb high, food triangle...they all make me in the end feel horrible.
Either Atkins, or whatever I want. I also have the best workouts and lifts after a burger or something else. Each person is wired different:)

As for your weight, sounds like your doing awesome. Don't worry too much about the scale unless you see it raises too much.

[Zagrash]

Just a quick update, Insanity is freaking awesome. I'm just through the first 2 weeks, and the results have been fantastic so far. I've lost about 7 pounds, but more importantly my blood pressure has dropped like crazy, and even my resting heart rate is down quite a bit. From everything I hear, the first month is definitely easier than the second month, so I know I'm in for a challenge, but I'm definitely looking forward to it!

[Inspector Fowler]

Just a quick update, Insanity is freaking awesome. I'm just through the first 2 weeks, and the results have been fantastic so far. I've lost about 7 pounds, but more importantly my blood pressure has dropped like crazy, and even my resting heart rate is down quite a bit. From everything I hear, the first month is definitely easier than the second month, so I know I'm in for a challenge, but I'm definitely looking forward to it!

One of our student officers is going through this, he has some pretty similar statements.

I'll run through P90X again after I finish this round, but Insanity might be what I try once I'm in decent shape to start with.

[Zagrash]

One of our student officers is going through this, he has some pretty similar statements.

I'll run through P90X again after I finish this round, but Insanity might be what I try once I'm in decent shape to start with.

I'm actually going in the opposite direction - using Insanity to slim down, and then I'll hop on P90X to build more muscle. I will probably go through this round of Insanity, take a week off, then start over again, because I'd really like to lose about 20-25 more pounds by the end of August. If I keep going at a pound or 2 a week, that should hopefully be attainable.

I haven't been following their diet plan, so I can only imagine the results I'd get with that, but I've been cutting my calories quite a bit, most days hovering between 1600-1800 calories (not an easy feat for someone that's 6'6" and 276#)

[pronounconnoun]

From Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P90X):
P90X stresses the importance of "muscle confusion" (a term for adding variety through cross-training and periodization), so it switches the order of exercises and incorporates new movements during each phase.[1] According to Horton, muscle confusion prevents the body from adapting to exercises over time, resulting in continual improvement without plateaus.

Interesting concept. Normally when I reach a certain point that my workout is not as effective, I add more weights or increase my duration of exercise (depending on the workout). I'll have to try this "muscle confusion" next week.

[Crittias]

I'll have to try this "muscle confusion" next week.Constantly changing up the workup routine/exercise order is the mantra of every personal trainer I've ever spoken to. Definitely a good idea.

[Generation ABXY]

I've never heard of it ("muscle confusion," that is) either, but I suppose that could be why so many people are raving about P90X...

[pronounconnoun]

This gives me a chance to do some resistance training which I was going to try when I started to lose more weight--for sculpting purposes, of course.

I guess I'll have to change my workout routine from week to week now. Could be fun.

[DeathtollWRX]

This gives me a chance to do some resistance training which I was going to try when I started to lose more weight--for sculpting purposes, of course.

I guess I'll have to change my workout routine from week to week now. Could be fun.

That's what I need to do...

I went from

Fei Long
to
EHonda

[bapenguin]

I finally broke 200 this morning, hitting 199 on the scale!

I'm pretty happy, but I'm definitely not done. I'd at least like to lose another 10-15 pounds, but I'm going to start doing some more weight training stuff.

The best part is my total lifestyle change, I don't even feel like I'm dieting.

[Borthcollective]

Congrats man, nice work.

[Inspector Fowler]

Good job, BA! The day I am under 200 lbs I have a bunch of fun stuff I plan to do! I hope you celebrated some way or another.

I pretty much took last week off of P90X because of the amount of time I needed to help with the wedding. It was mostly wake up, drive to Denver, help all day, come home late, surf a little, and sleep.

This was supposed to be my last week, the "recovery" week.

Since I was just going to repeat P90X anyway, I just decided to start it over. I got great muscle building results last time, but I wasn't very good about my eating until the very end. This time I am going to combine both the workouts and good eating, hopefully it will be what I need to really shed some pounds.

Add in the fact that the weather is just about nice enough to start biking back to work, and I think this will be a good spring for Inspector Fowler.

[Karak]

From Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P90X):


Interesting concept. Normally when I reach a certain point that my workout is not as effective, I add more weights or increase my duration of exercise (depending on the workout). I'll have to try this "muscle confusion" next week.

Ya its funny than the training of soldiers and gladiators was forgotten and everyone moved to static and repetitive movements. I think its one of the reasons martial arts is such an excellent way to get in shape. Its never ever the same.

[TheEvilNarwhale]

Weighed myself this evening and I was pleasantly surprised to find I had lost 5 pounds in the last month and a half.

But now for the intense. Aiming to lose 10 lb in the next 3 weeks. 201-191

[DeathtollWRX]

I finally broke 200 this morning, hitting 199 on the scale!

I'm pretty happy, but I'm definitely not done. I'd at least like to lose another 10-15 pounds, but I'm going to start doing some more weight training stuff.

The best part is my total lifestyle change, I don't even feel like I'm dieting.

You would probably be about 175 if it weren't for your super giant soccer legs!

[DeathtollWRX]

Not sure if this belongs in the wieght loss thread but I picked up some dumbells the other day and I have decided to work on strengthening and enlarging my upper body. When I was younger I was an avid exersize fiend, let's hope I have muscle memory and I bulk up quickly.

[Karak]

Good for you.
Lately I have been on a pretty risky weight loss supplement. I don't even want to post it here, because its legal but...barely.
So far 25 pounds in around 30 days...ya I said it.
Straight fat too. Did the tub test and a couple others at the doc's to verify but uhm...ya.

I had about 30 pounds that for 2 years could not lose when a weight lifting pal told me about something. I checked it out, talked to a couple scientists who work on testing with it and looked into it. I just couldn't handle working out 2-3 times a day changing diets and nothing worked. And working out for 2-2 hour workouts and not losing a pound with all the science behind me...ug. It was depressing.
Dangerous if misused-Yes
But sometimes I wonder if its worse than carrying that 30 pounds on my knees and running and martial arts and shit.

Anyway we will see.
If I die, I will make sure to raffle off my autographed Advent Rising and Gears of War 1 and 2 games:0
Ha JK. I would never give those up:)

[Xerxes]

I basically have a set plan. Just can't get up in the morning.

[Karak]

I basically have a set plan. Just can't get up in the morning.

Alarm clock set on other side of room?
Automatic lights.
I use them both.

[Thanasimos]

I've decided to participate in this thread. I don't need to lose weight, per se, though, I do intend to cut back some of my flab and put on some more muscle. (Odds are I'll gain weight.) I used to exercise quite regularly, and it did wonderful things for me. This semester has really killed my spare time, however, so I've been getting less of that wonderful stuff; i.e., none -- or at least none as strenuous as I had been pulling the year and a half prior.

Well, I hopped back on the horse two days ago, and I'm working on a simple routine of alternating cardio with more strength-focused stuff. The cardio days fit really well into my schedule, since there's 200+ steps between me and any classes, so if I just run up each time, that's 600-odd steps a day with a backpack full of laptop and textbook on. Days like today are harder to keep up with, since I need about half an hour to spare to actually do exercise with. . . and that just doesn't really happen this semester, which is why I stopped.

Until three days ago, I bent over, and looked at my stomach, and went O_O

NO LONGER.

I'm going to go do my shit, and every other day, I'll be back in this thread to say I've done it. In this way, I will stay motivated.

[Xerxes]

Alarm clock set on other side of room?
Automatic lights.
I use them both.

I keep cutting it off. It's like I just want to lay there... like a slug in the morning.

[Karak]

I keep cutting it off. It's like I just want to lay there... like a slug in the morning.

So you put on the other side of the room get up turn it off then go back to bed.
*smacks head*. Come on Xerxes, damn dude. That's like the guy who swam halfway somewhere and then said "fuck it" and turned back.
Except you are ALL the way there. Go to the bathroom turn the lights on and get some light into your eyes. That's the best way to tell your brain is get the fuck up time.

And then go do some shit!

I expect a report. Or I am coming to your house and will wake you up at 5am every fucking morning banging pots and pans...into your groin.
That shit will learn ya

[Karak]

I've decided to participate in this thread. I don't need to lose weight, per se, though, I do intend to cut back some of my flab and put on some more muscle. (Odds are I'll gain weight.) I used to exercise quite regularly, and it did wonderful things for me. This semester has really killed my spare time, however, so I've been getting less of that wonderful stuff; i.e., none -- or at least none as strenuous as I had been pulling the year and a half prior.

Well, I hopped back on the horse two days ago, and I'm working on a simple routine of alternating cardio with more strength-focused stuff. The cardio days fit really well into my schedule, since there's 200+ steps between me and any classes, so if I just run up each time, that's 600-odd steps a day with a backpack full of laptop and textbook on. Days like today are harder to keep up with, since I need about half an hour to spare to actually do exercise with. . . and that just doesn't really happen this semester, which is why I stopped.

Until three days ago, I bent over, and looked at my stomach, and went O_O

NO LONGER.

I'm going to go do my shit, and every other day, I'll be back in this thread to say I've done it. In this way, I will stay motivated.

Good for you. Keep it up.

[kidkimura]

I think it's time for me to join this thread too. Ever since I move to Florida I've been going to school full time and working full time and just didn't even bother working out. So after a year long hiatus and too live up to my namesake I'm taking up Judo and Bjj back again.

[MagGnome]

So you put on the other side of the room get up turn it off then go back to bed.

That's what I do! I never used to be the kind of person who would hit the snooze button or go back to bed after the alarm goes off, but in the last year or two that's sort of what I've become. Now I have an alarm clock set across the room as well as an alarm on my cellphone set for 10-15 minutes later. When the first alarm goes off I get up, shut it off, and go back to bed. Then I actually get up permanently when the second alarm goes off.

[Thanasimos]

Well, as I promised myself two days ago, I'm back in today to discuss my accomplishments.

Today was a non-cardio day, and my workout was transporting about seventy-five pounds (this is approximately half of my own weight) of material up about twenty stories and after that walking it a half mile. All in one trip, of course, or it would defeat the purpose. Looks like I'll be doing that most Fridays, from now on, however, regardless of what exercise I'm supposed to be doing. I guess it exists as a happy enough medium between the two. Haven't missed a day yet!

[wyeast]

Xerxes: Go raid an asian market and look for some whackball Japanese Alarm clock. In college my roommate had one (shaped like a samurai warrior) that would sound a horn and start shouting at us in Japanese. That was annoying as fuck and nearly impossible to sleep through. :D I think he had a chicken one too that sould play rockabilly and crow something, but the Samurai guy was WAY worse.

[Zagrash]

Month 2 of Insanity is freaking evil...I'm only through 2 days so far, and I'm pretty sure I've sweat more in one day of month 2 than I did through an entire week of Month 1. I'm not complaining about the results though! From the beginning of the program (very end of February) I've lost about 12 pounds, and can't wait to keep going! Right now my goal is to lose another 20 pounds, but that's certainly subject to change.

[carnage11]

I'm not over weight by any means, I'm actually right at my ideal BMI. The only thing is, I can not get rid of the flab around my belly. I have a small pouch that will not go away. I'm thinking I need to do more cardio. I believe that if I could just get rid of the pouch of fat on my belly I would have some nice cut abs. Does anyone know of a good way to get rid of belly fat? Something I should cut out of my diet? Some special exercise that I can do? I'm already doing Ab Ripper X among the other P90X workouts. I don't really need to lose weight, just the stupid belly fat. It seems like it's impossible to get rid of! I see people with these nice flat abs, and I just wonder how the hell you do it. Any and all advice is appreciated.:)

[pronounconnoun]

I'm not over weight by any means, I'm actually right at my ideal BMI. The only thing is, I can not get rid of the flab around my belly. I have a small pouch that will not go away. I'm thinking I need to do more cardio. I believe that if I could just get rid of the pouch of fat on my belly I would have some nice cut abs. Does anyone know of a good way to get rid of belly fat? Something I should cut out of my diet? Some special exercise that I can do? I'm already doing Ab Ripper X among the other P90X workouts. I don't really need to lose weight, just the stupid belly fat. It seems like it's impossible to get rid of! I see people with these nice flat abs, and I just wonder how the hell you do it. Any and all advice is appreciated.:)

http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/finder/lookup/filter/muscle/id/13/muscle/abdominals

I've tried a few of these with some results, but this is just to get you started.

[Disgustipated]

I'm not over weight by any means, I'm actually right at my ideal BMI. The only thing is, I can not get rid of the flab around my belly. I have a small pouch that will not go away. I'm thinking I need to do more cardio. I believe that if I could just get rid of the pouch of fat on my belly I would have some nice cut abs. Does anyone know of a good way to get rid of belly fat? Something I should cut out of my diet? Some special exercise that I can do? I'm already doing Ab Ripper X among the other P90X workouts. I don't really need to lose weight, just the stupid belly fat. It seems like it's impossible to get rid of! I see people with these nice flat abs, and I just wonder how the hell you do it. Any and all advice is appreciated.:)

Diet. Cut your carb intake and increase cardio.

[Karak]

I'm not over weight by any means, I'm actually right at my ideal BMI. The only thing is, I can not get rid of the flab around my belly. I have a small pouch that will not go away. I'm thinking I need to do more cardio. I believe that if I could just get rid of the pouch of fat on my belly I would have some nice cut abs. Does anyone know of a good way to get rid of belly fat? Something I should cut out of my diet? Some special exercise that I can do? I'm already doing Ab Ripper X among the other P90X workouts. I don't really need to lose weight, just the stupid belly fat. It seems like it's impossible to get rid of! I see people with these nice flat abs, and I just wonder how the hell you do it. Any and all advice is appreciated.:)

Sadly a couple things impact this.
Age
Body makeup(look it up to see which you are)
BF%
Fat intake
Watch over carbing.

Fixes

Supposedly V-C helps with Cortisol control.( a new issue that is old in the weightlifting field and such but just getting to the general populace). Its a good thing to check into. Vitamin C doesn't cut it, it just helps keep it a bit under control

Diet control. Find out your normal fat intake for the day and take it down 10% every week or 2 weeks. This stops you from getting instant cravings or the headaches that sometimes come from cutting particular parts of a diet.

Stress relief Cortisol control again. Stress is a leading cause. American studies are way behind both European and Japanese studies but they are catching up and they all pretty much indicate belly fat is connected to age/stress/Cortisol and sleep.

Sleep. Make sure you are getting enough to be rested. Don't let anyone tell you the specific number, that's stupid talk. Figure it our for yourself as it's different for all.

Remember that cardio causes a deficit and if you go too far, just like a camel your body will store a hump. Men get theirs in the midsection many times.Diet doesn't always mean cutting calories either. You may find that your workouts are putting you into a deficit which the body will read as an issue, lower T2-T4 levels and can impact fat retention.

Also add iodine to your diet unless your getting it(98% of american's do not now that everything is anti salt) check websites to figure out what iodine is in. If you get enough great, if not get a dropper and by some from Amazon, mix it with water and drink it and chase it with another glass of water. The single biggest fix for me was iodine supplementation.

[carnage11]

Sadly a couple things impact this.
Age
Body makeup(look it up to see which you are)
BF%
Fat intake
Watch over carbing.

Fixes

Supposedly V-C helps with Cortisol control.( a new issue that is old in the weightlifting field and such but just getting to the general populace). Its a good thing to check into. Vitamin C doesn't cut it, it just helps keep it a bit under control

Diet control. Find out your normal fat intake for the day and take it down 10% every week or 2 weeks. This stops you from getting instant cravings or the headaches that sometimes come from cutting particular parts of a diet.

Stress relief Cortisol control again. Stress is a leading cause. American studies are way behind both European and Japanese studies but they are catching up and they all pretty much indicate belly fat is connected to age/stress/Cortisol and sleep.

Sleep. Make sure you are getting enough to be rested. Don't let anyone tell you the specific number, that's stupid talk. Figure it our for yourself as it's different for all.

Remember that cardio causes a deficit and if you go too far, just like a camel your body will store a hump. Men get theirs in the midsection many times.Diet doesn't always mean cutting calories either. You may find that your workouts are putting you into a deficit which the body will read as an issue, lower T2-T4 levels and can impact fat retention.

Also add iodine to your diet unless your getting it(98% of american's do not now that everything is anti salt) check websites to figure out what iodine is in. If you get enough great, if not get a dropper and by some from Amazon, mix it with water and drink it and chase it with another glass of water. The single biggest fix for me was iodine supplementation.

Thanks man, this sounds like good advice. Especially the bit about iodine. I have cut most salt from my diet due to high blood pressure, and I never thought about replacing the iodine. I do take a multi-vitamin, as well as B complex, E, and Omega-3. I also get tons of C and B12 in the vitamin waters I drink every day. I don't think my multi-vit has iodine in it, I might have to check that out. I am also VERY stressed all the time, I have two jobs, two kids, and school, besides I'm a pretty stressful person to begin with. And sadly, I'm almost 30 so perhaps age can be a factor as well. Though I've seen plenty of 40-50'ers with some nice cut abs, so I won't let that hold me back. Thanks for the advice. I'll check into all this.

[Karak]

Thanks man, this sounds like good advice. Especially the bit about iodine. I have cut most salt from my diet due to high blood pressure, and I never thought about replacing the iodine. I do take a multi-vitamin, as well as B complex, E, and Omega-3. I also get tons of C and B12 in the vitamin waters I drink every day. I don't think my multi-vit has iodine in it, I might have to check that out. I am also VERY stressed all the time, I have two jobs, two kids, and school, besides I'm a pretty stressful person to begin with. And sadly, I'm almost 30 so perhaps age can be a factor as well. Though I've seen plenty of 40-50'ers with some nice cut abs, so I won't let that hold me back. Thanks for the advice. I'll check into all this.

Ya and Vit C has to be in large doses to help. Iodine you most likely do not get, its not in a ton of things (ionized salt) and its hard to get with particular dietary issues. Get the liquid form if your going to supplement, most pills would taste HORRID if you wanted a useful level of it.
Your age, stress and diet all sound as if this may help at least for a bet. Remember than sometimes a 40-50 year old was a 30 year old when they started sir. Thats just like you, or even younger. Its not like they are 40-50 and just woke up and bang they are ripped. The very few people who are like that are the few people that are just lucky in that department.
Good luck sir. I am sure it is doable.

[Karak]

Thanks man, this sounds like good advice. Especially the bit about iodine. I have cut most salt from my diet due to high blood pressure, and I never thought about replacing the iodine. I do take a multi-vitamin, as well as B complex, E, and Omega-3. I also get tons of C and B12 in the vitamin waters I drink every day. I don't think my multi-vit has iodine in it, I might have to check that out. I am also VERY stressed all the time, I have two jobs, two kids, and school, besides I'm a pretty stressful person to begin with. And sadly, I'm almost 30 so perhaps age can be a factor as well. Though I've seen plenty of 40-50'ers with some nice cut abs, so I won't let that hold me back. Thanks for the advice. I'll check into all this.
Lastly about iodine, it is literally the building block for your thyroid levels. Without it, you get low thyroid levels. You need it. Don't consider it like a vitamin but like a good.

Some other signs of low levels.
Overall symptoms: Since thyroid hormone is responsible for regulation of body metabolism, its deficiency results in slowing down of body's metabolic processes. The person suffering from this disorder encounters fatigue, tiredness, sluggishness, weakness, insomnia, dementia, lack of concentration, depression, muscle cramps, cold intolerance and weight gain (usually 5 to 10 pounds).
Skin: Low thyroid level reduces sweating rate and causes the skin to become dry, coarse and thick. Sometimes a yellowish hue to the skin is also observed. The nails become brittle, eyebrows fall off, and hair loss occurs.
Gastrointestinal System: The muscles used for digestion slow down, resulting into constipation.
Cardiovascular System: The functions of the heart slow down. The person can get easily tired and breathless while exercising, etc. Increased heart rate and palpitations are common. Cholesterol levels in the blood are also seen to rise. For hypertensive people, the severity of the symptoms may be far greater. The stimulation of red blood cells in the bone marrow becomes inadequate resulting into anemia.
Face: Puffiness of the face, especially the areas around the eyes.
Reproductive System: In case of women, low thyroid levels lead to irregularities in the menstrual cycle. The irregularities vary from no periods to heavy, frequent periods. Infertility makes conceiving impossible. In case of pregnant women, the deficiency increases the risk of miscarriage during early stages of pregnancy.
Respiratory System: Respiratory muscles become weak causing frequent breathlessness and fatigue. Frequent blockage of the air passages while sleeping hinders the person from having a good night sleep. Insomnia, hoarse voice are some other symptoms.

[carnage11]

That's interesting because I sleep probably 10 hours a day and I still always feel tired.

[Karak]

That's interesting because I sleep probably 10 hours a day and I still always feel tired.

Ya that fits. I would check into it. 10 is usually on the longer end of sleep for people not undergoing HTT or puberty.
The iodine may be a missing link for that. I know it improved my skin big time, It was getting embarrassing at times to have such dry skin. Took about 2-3 weeks and then man...the changes just started happening.

[MagGnome]

That's interesting because I sleep probably 10 hours a day and I still always feel tired.

I'm the same way. I can't remember the last time I woke up and actually felt refreshed.

[Thanasimos]

Well, done with my exercise tonight. Yesterday's "cardio" ended up being a touch intense, coming in at about six hours of mixed sports -- we played a fast rotation wherein we picked permanent teams and switched games at every point scored. Soccer, ultimate, and football. Topped it off with a two hour game of capture the flag. Lots of sprinting around. I could barely do my situps tonight, probably because of that.

[Thanasimos]

And back again. Missed posting on the sixth; this time I'm posting before I exercise so I can crawl my tired ass into bed afterwards. So far, it's been effective! I feel better, if sorer, and the results are already starting to show; give it another month or two and I'll be back on top of my game.

[pronounconnoun]

Somehow I'm eating more and still losing weight. I think my calorie output has exceeded my calorie intake at this point. Now I carry two lunches to work. This is awesome, I should have started exercising like this years ago.

Still teetering at 230. My doctor says that to not be "Overweight" I should be 220. For now, that is my goal, then to my original weight of 180. Still fighting the good fight.

Question: I'm currently trying to push myself to run more than 3 miles daily. Any advice on how to increase my distance traveled?

Xerxes: Go raid an asian market and look for some whackball Japanese Alarm clock. In college my roommate had one (shaped like a samurai warrior) that would sound a horn and start shouting at us in Japanese. That was annoying as fuck and nearly impossible to sleep through. :D I think he had a chicken one too that sould play rockabilly and crow something, but the Samurai guy was WAY worse.

He was yelling at his horse to get off his lazy ass. My dad has/still uses that alarm clock. My grandma has the geisha one.

[MagGnome]

You need the alarm clock that rolls away from you when it goes off. That will get your ass out of bed.

[pronounconnoun]

You need the alarm clock that rolls away from you when it goes off. That will get your ass out of bed.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/91f2/

[MagGnome]

That's it! Thanks Joey. :D

[carnage11]

That would be incredibly annoying and I would end up punting it across the house in frustration.

[PathMaster]

I used two different alarms in college, the main alarm I had to nearly get out of bed to turn off. My sister got me as a bit of a gag gift a flying alarm clock (http://www.vat19.com/dvds/flying-alarm-clock.cfm). You are forced to get out of bed and hunt it down. My sloped ceiling really causes havoc with this alarm.

[Libuke]

Can anyone tell me or point in the direction to find some exercises for strengthening my chest with free weight and a bench press that can also recline? They are what I have available at home.

It has been so long that since I have done any serious weightlifting combined with the limited equipment is making it difficult for me to figure out some good chest work.

I have been doing some simple weight lifting and such over the last year as part of my regular exercise and all total I have probably lost at least 100 pounds (I have not weighed myself in a long time) but I want to start putting on muscle now. Still have fat I want to lose but time to work on some other stuff now.

So if anyone has any suggestions or knows a good place to some reading please let me know.

[Karak]

Can anyone tell me or point in the direction to find some exercises for strengthening my chest with free weight and a bench press that can also recline? They are what I have available at home.

It has been so long that since I have done any serious weightlifting combined with the limited equipment is making it difficult for me to figure out some good chest work.

I have been doing some simple weight lifting and such over the last year as part of my regular exercise and all total I have probably lost at least 100 pounds (I have not weighed myself in a long time) but I want to start putting on muscle now. Still have fat I want to lose but time to work on some other stuff now.

So if anyone has any suggestions or knows a good place to some reading please let me know.

Bench Press
Fly's(best)
Verted Fly's(inverted bench)
Shoulder press with Bench like a chair(can help the shoulders and chest grow)

Uhm is that what you are looking for? I think I might have missed something in your post as those are sort of normal exercises.

[carnage11]

you don't even need weights to build the chest. just doing different push ups will do it. wide, military, close, legs wide, one leg up, inclined, etc.

[Karak]

you don't even need weights to build the chest. just doing different push ups will do it. wide, military, close, legs wide, one leg up, inclined, etc.

True enough but he is looking for workout items on the bench. Most likely he wants to use that. Sometimes a small item of equipment can cause you to workout too.

[carnage11]

True enough but he is looking for workout items on the bench. Most likely he wants to use that. Sometimes a small item of equipment can cause you to workout too.

Yeah, perhaps. I have a weight bench out in my garage, but I never use it. :D

I also hated the gym. I guess I feel like the more shit I gotta use the less I wanna do it. Going to the gym got to be a pain in the ass cause there was just too much involved. Maybe I'm just lazy.:p

[Borthcollective]

My progress has been halted as the Paxil my doctor put me on is taking all of my energy not giving me some.

[Libuke]

Bench Press
Fly's(best)
Verted Fly's(inverted bench)
Shoulder press with Bench like a chair(can help the shoulders and chest grow)


Yah that is what I was thinking I just wasn't sure if there were any other exercise I didn't remember/know about. That would work with my equipment. Thanks.

[Karak]

Yah that is what I was thinking I just wasn't sure if there were any other exercise I didn't remember/know about. That would work with my equipment. Thanks.

You bet. The cool thing is there are thousands of variations that you can do but I think in general and for the first couple months concentrating on main muscle first is the best idea.

[Xerxes]

I think I'm back. I've been to the track two days in a row, walking two miles a day. I need to add the hour of cardio back but it's been a while and my calves are already sore. I figure next week I won't even notice the extra cardio. I did have Wendy's yesterday, but I forgot my lunch. Which I have next to me now.

Somebody let there dog shit on the track. That really bothered me.

[Daytime_Lantern]

Starting Values:
Weight:185 lbs
Height: 5"8

Goals:
Drop 25 lbs (Realistically 15 lbs would do)

Routine:
Run/Walk 30 minutes 3-4x a week (4 minutes run/6 minute walk... increasing run time every 2 weeks)
Small Weightlifting regime in the morning everyday
Tennis
Avoid all Sodas
Avoid processed foods
Eat Salads


I've already weaned myself off of all Sodas but the food is where I get stuck on most the time. Eating socially really screws me (watching other people talk about tacos and not partaking is impossible). Even by myself sometimes the temptation of some Hawaiian BBQ is too much to pass up on.

[Xerxes]

Walking and 1 hour of cardio is being murder on my knees. I wanted to do it 4x a week, with Wednesdays and the weekends being rest days. I might make Tuesdays a off day cause I hate them some much. Laying in bed all day until work start would be a nice compromise. I hope these are just growing pains though. I haven't been working out at all for the past few months. I missed my 2.2 mile walks on Tuesday and Thursday(today) but I still kept up the cardio. The walks seem to be just a good way to start the workout day really.

Today my cell phone alarm screwed me. And Tuesday I was dead tired. I couldn't even get up with the alarms. Tomorrow I should be back on it. Funny thing is my scale shows I've lost 5 pounds so far this week. O_o

[Akion-Totocha]

But I should inform all -after what my back doctor said- That running is bad for your health. Well, it does more bad than good. It shocks both your spine and your heart. :(

[Karak]

But I should inform all -after what my back doctor said- That running is bad for your health. Well, it does more bad than good. It shocks both your spine and your heart. :(

I hate doctors.
My back doctor said it could only help. And it did. Humans have been running for thousands of years I am assuming we would have given way to the FruitBat people had running been very dangerous.
I don't know. Sometimes doctors seem like they are just another random opinion.

[Akion-Totocha]

I hate doctors.
My back doctor said it could only help. And it did. Humans have been running for thousands of years I am assuming we would have given way to the FruitBat people had running been very dangerous.
I don't know. Sometimes doctors seem like they are just another random opinion.

*shrugs* I know it's bad for me. Because every time I run I end up doubled over in pain. *sigh* ...Togira Ikonoka

[Xerxes]

I hate doctors.
My back doctor said it could only help. And it did. Humans have been running for thousands of years I am assuming we would have given way to the FruitBat people had running been very dangerous.
I don't know. Sometimes doctors seem like they are just another random opinion.

I weight a gajillion pounds and can only run so fast. I can get quick in small bursts but full on running, pfft. I don't know about my spine but my knees and lungs write little letters to my brain ASAP.

Please do no run!
Love Knees

We're going to fucking kill you if you don't stop bitch!
The Lung Twins

I think I'll look into it again later after I lose some more fat though.:o

[Nameless]

I weight a gajillion pounds and can only run so fast. I can get quick in small bursts but full on running, pfft. I don't know about my spine but my knees and lungs write little letters to my brain ASAP.

Please do no run!
Love Knees

We're going to fucking kill you if you don't stop bitch!
The Lung Twins

I think I'll look into it again later after I lose some more fat though.:o

It's crazy how fast your lungs get used to running, though. I'm only on my second week now, but I'm already noticing a significant difference. I'm a pretty hefty guy myself, and I'm currently using a run-walk method mentioned in a beginner's running book that I recently picked up.

Basically, run 10 seconds, walk for a minute. I started at 10 minutes of that and add 3 minutes every run (3 runs per week). Slowly, you add more running time (I'm going to increase to a 15 second run/1 minute walk next time) until eventually you're basically running all the time.

My goal is to hopefully run a 5k by August.

I understand about waiting until you're a safe weight before you start running, though. The worst thing to screw up on your body is the knees.

[MagGnome]

Isn't running hard on the knees even if you're skinny? Especially on pavement, from everything I've heard.

[Nameless]

Isn't running hard on the knees even if you're skinny? Especially on pavement, from everything I've heard.

I did a bit of researching before starting, because I was worried about this as well. As long as you have good shoes, warm up before you start running, and try to avoid unforgiving surfaces (pavement is fine, concrete is less so), you should be fine, assuming you don't have pre-existing knee conditions.

[Karak]

Isn't running hard on the knees even if you're skinny? Especially on pavement, from everything I've heard.

Nope. In fact if you have the right equipment and the right technique it does what hard work always does. Improve your body. For some reason people have let this strange thought enter their head that doing anything physical is bad on something. Watch runners with good technique, almost 0 head movement up and down.
Now a military hump, that might be a bit bad. But then again I know over a hundred guys who were in the military who did humps for over 20 years and they are 60 plus now and don't have knee problems...so...its always up in the air I think.

[Daytime_Lantern]

Is there a guide to how to run? I mean I just do what feels natural. I've heard of shoes that lack the shock absorbers (or something) at the heel that force you to run with a different "gate" (not sure if I'm using that in the right context). Is that less a burden on your knees and ?spine??

Part of me believes all this mumbo jumbo and part of me thinks this is just bull$#@Q that health professionals make up to justify their jobs.

[carnage11]

The trick is is to build the muscles in your legs and back to support the weight and jarring that running does. Running is bad for you if you only do it sporadically. You should work out as well as running or jogging. If you're over weight, that might be why the doctor told you it could be bad. Try using an elliptical, or doing some low impact aerobics. If you're not over weight, then you should have no problems with running unless there are other problems, such as bad knees, arthritis, etc. Also, depending on your age, vitamins and supplements. Eating healthy and getting the proper nutrients can help. Some woman have problems with joints and bones when they get a little older due to osteoporosis and other deficiencies. Men also have they're own problems. Everyone is different. Most doctors are out to help you, though there are a few that are just in it for the money. Sometimes a second opinion is needed.

[Bone]

Walking and 1 hour of cardio is being murder on my knees. I wanted to do it 4x a week, with Wednesdays and the weekends being rest days.If you feel your weight is hurting your exercise, maybe swimming would be good. Really good workout for body and lungs, and easier on the joints.

I hate doctors.
My back doctor said it could only help. And it did. Humans have been running for thousands of years I am assuming we would have given way to the FruitBat people had running been very dangerous.
I don't know. Sometimes doctors seem like they are just another random opinion.You're right but I think they're finding our current running shoes are not ideal for the natural caveman running position... encourages bad form in the ankle. Barefoot running is popular but a little dangerous- but now I see a lot of people in those goofy 5-toe shoes that apparently encourage proper running form.

[pronounconnoun]

Isn't running hard on the knees even if you're skinny? Especially on pavement, from everything I've heard.

I have flat feet so running is really hard on my feet. In fact, in my heavier days a few months ago, my feet gave out before my lungs did. I started running on a treadmill and it has done wonders for my feet. Now I can run for up to three miles on a treadmill. I run on the street sometimes, but I try not to do it too often since there's a greater chance that I will hurt myself (twisted ankle, sore feet, etc).

[Generation ABXY]

I started running on a treadmill and it has done wonders for my feet.

Out of curiosity, why is that, would you say? (I don't think I've ever used a treadmill, so I'm not sure how different it is.)

[pronounconnoun]

Out of curiosity, why is that, would you say? (I don't think I've ever used a treadmill, so I'm not sure how different it is.)

I think it's because there's more bounce when you run on a treadmill and the terrain never changes.

[Karak]

I think it's because there's more bounce when you run on a treadmill and the terrain never changes.

Also if it is a power treadmill you are doing around 1/7th the work of a real run. The toes are not pulling the foot and the ankle is used considerably less since the belt moves below you. So in effect you are doing nothing but moving your legs forward and back. Muscle fatigue mixed with tendon fatigue and then add flat feet, it is easy to see why people try other things.

[Xerxes]

If you feel your weight is hurting your exercise, maybe swimming would be good. Really good workout for body and lungs, and easier on the joints.

You're right but I think they're finding our current running shoes are not ideal for the natural caveman running position... encourages bad form in the ankle. Barefoot running is popular but a little dangerous- but now I see a lot of people in those goofy 5-toe shoes that apparently encourage proper running form.

Goofy? These look badass.

http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/images/products/138//large.jpg

Hell, I'd wear these for fun if they made a size 13.

[pronounconnoun]

Also if it is a power treadmill you are doing around 1/7th the work of a real run. The toes are not pulling the foot and the ankle is used considerably less since the belt moves below you. So in effect you are doing nothing but moving your legs forward and back. Muscle fatigue mixed with tendon fatigue and then add flat feet, it is easy to see why people try other things.

Regardless of how difficult it is, I'm still getting my cardio and working up a decent sweat.

[Bone]

Goofy? These look badass.

Hell, I'd wear these for fun if they made a size 13.

Those, yes! Goofy to me, but my neighbor swears by them and wears them pretty much all day. And to work. Luckily he works in a server room where nobody judges you on your clothes ;)

They specifically make a running/cross-training version I think, and I'd be real surprised if they don't make 13s. Check their sizing chart, it's not by shoe size but by foot measurement.

[Xerxes]

Those, yes! Goofy to me, but my neighbor swears by them and wears them pretty much all day. And to work. Luckily he works in a server room where nobody judges you on your clothes ;)

They specifically make a running/cross-training version I think, and I'd be real surprised if they don't make 13s. Check their sizing chart, it's not by shoe size but by foot measurement.

But they are the shoes of God.
http://birthdayshoes.com/media/blogs/bdayshoes/al_bundy_gods_shoes.jpg

Wonder how they work for feet as flat as mines.

[Nameless]

Regardless of how difficult it is, I'm still getting my cardio and working up a decent sweat.

I'd always heard it's a 10% discrepancy. So if you usually run 3km, you'd want to do 3.3km on a treadmill to work out about the same amount. I'm planning on doing this once it gets too cold here in Canadia to keep running outside. :p

[pronounconnoun]

But they are the shoes of God.
http://birthdayshoes.com/media/blogs/bdayshoes/al_bundy_gods_shoes.jpg

Wonder how they work for feet as flat as mines.

Dammit Xerxes, now I want a pair.

I'd always heard it's a 10% discrepancy. So if you usually run 3km, you'd want to do 3.3km on a treadmill to work out about the same amount. I'm planning on doing this once it gets too cold here in Canadia to keep running outside. :p

Interesting. I'm kind of just running to run and increasing my speed in increments, but I was trying to push myself to 7 miles. I guess I'll have to do 7.7 miles.

[Karak]

I'd always heard it's a 10% discrepancy. So if you usually run 3km, you'd want to do 3.3km on a treadmill to work out about the same amount. I'm planning on doing this once it gets too cold here in Canadia to keep running outside. :p

Sadly its not close. As we discussed earlier in the thread carbon dioxide output measurement testing in Europe(very expensive but considered the #1 way to see true work), its around 1/7th. If even that high.
For example I can pound out 5 minute miles while my treadmill is on 10 difficulty for some time with small rests in between. I can't come near that even on flat track in real life. Movement does not equal work especially when the treadmill is working for you.

I can get my heart rate a bit high on a treadmill so its not like you are just sitting there, but don't expect it to ever turn into real world results when it comes to running improvement. If your normally sedentary just shaking your leg is better than nothing:) So its better than nothing for SURE!
Just so people don't think I am hammering on those using treadmills I am not. Its better than nothing, but don't set yourself up for failure thats all.

[MagGnome]

Those shoes are weird. There was a girl wearing them in the cafeteria the other day. From a distance it looked like she had gangrene on her feet.

[Xerxes]

I wonder do they have a steel toes version. :D

[Inspector Fowler]

My wife uses those five-fingers shoes. She swears by them. It is very likely she will be running the Bolder Boulder (10K) in them later this month.

You HAVE to start slow (1/2 mile a day max) and work your way up, but if they work for you, they work. If they don't, they don't. At my weight there is no way I'm going to try a cushionless shoe. My wife is much slimmer than I am.

I got out of the workout habit. Today I (finally, after a couple false starts) started my second round of P90X. I just assumed I could keep up with my pace from the last time (ended about 8 weeks ago, I think) and almost passed out in my basement. Bleh.

But it won't stop me. A day of good water and food and I'll try again tomorrow.

[Xerxes]

My wife uses those five-fingers shoes. She swears by them. It is very likely she will be running the Bolder Boulder (10K) in them later this month.
With words like this, and Al Bundy swearing by them, how can I not get a pair.

[BigJonno]

I have flat feet so running is really hard on my feet. In fact, in my heavier days a few months ago, my feet gave out before my lungs did. I started running on a treadmill and it has done wonders for my feet. Now I can run for up to three miles on a treadmill. I run on the street sometimes, but I try not to do it too often since there's a greater chance that I will hurt myself (twisted ankle, sore feet, etc).

I have fallen arches and have the same problem with running. Even when I was younger and lighter, I couldn't run for more than the length of a basketball court or so without my feet and ankles being in agony.

Anyway, I've decided to have a proper go at losing weight. Since moving to London I've had to do a lot less walking and I noticed my weight slowly creeping up for the first time in years. I weighed in today and found out that I was all the way up to 366lbs! I must have put on about twenty pounds in the last four months. Shows what happens if you do less exercise and don't adjust your eating habits.

I've decided not to faff around with anything fancy and go with an old-fashioned "cut out the crap and eat smaller portions" approach. I'm a carb junkie, so I'm going to cut weigh down on those and go with lots of lean meat and veg.

My first goal is to get down to less than 330 so that I can use WiiFit. Mrs Jonno has asked for a Wii for her birthday in July and I'd like to be able to take advantage of it.

[Loki]

So as a way for me to track and finally lose those last 10 pounds, I bought a Fitbit. It arrived last week and has been a pretty awesome tool so far. I wish that the website was better, but all in all, it is a good way for me to watch my caloric intake. I use it in tandem with an Android app that works well and I hope that it will finally take place. I've also bought a bike and am geared toward biking to work as much as possible this summer.

[Xerxes]

So as a way for me to track and finally lose those last 10 pounds, I bought a Fitbit. It arrived last week and has been a pretty awesome tool so far. I wish that the website was better, but all in all, it is a good way for me to watch my caloric intake. I use it in tandem with an Android app that works well and I hope that it will finally take place. I've also bought a bike and am geared toward biking to work as much as possible this summer.

Interesting. Let me know how you like it. I ended up getting a BodyMedia device over a year a go. Not really all the time wear like they make it seem. And the monthly charge ain't fun. Still ain't gonna make me get up and go. Still looking for the deep down inside motivation.

[Loki]

fitbit has no monthly charge and the only problem it is back ordered for a while.

As for me, my motivation came when I took an honest look at myself in the mirror and became extremely sad at what I saw.

[BigJonno]

I lost six pounds this week and I think my appetite is starting to adjust, which is definitely a good thing.

[Inspector Fowler]

That's good, BigJonno!

Well, the yearly Bolder Boulder came. 18th in a row. I've now run 180 kilometers in that stinky city.

With it came a realization - running is the only activity that has consistently helped me keep weight off. I ran cross country all the way through high school and as soon as I stopped, the weight came back.

I've lost enough weight through my regular dieting that I feel like I can handle 2-3 short (2-4 mile) runs a week. So a new pair of running shoes later, and I am back to running. I always liked it, but when you're heavy it's discouraging, so here's to a fresh start.

[Exodus]

Alright so I just picked up p90x for 100$ for the chin-up bar and restraint band set included.

Here's a question, my door's frame isn't thick enough to support the chin up bar. Are their alternative chin-up exercises i can do without having to drill brackets into my wall to hold the chin up bar?

[Xerxes]

Alright so I just picked up p90x for 100$ for the chin-up bar and restraint band set included.

Here's a question, my door's frame isn't thick enough to support the chin up bar. Are their alternative chin-up exercises i can do without having to drill brackets into my wall to hold the chin up bar?

I was always afraid of the idea of that bar because like 900 pounds. And I always imagine it falling in on me. Not a good look.

I'm back I think. It's the first week but it's like before. I did miss Tuesday, and I'm not sure what's going on tomorrow. (Chipped tooth) I'm eating snacks that leave me hungry at night. I'm not supposed to eat after midnight; I've been giving in but nothing too heavy.

2 mile walk, 1 hour Yourself Fitness, and feeling burnt up. On July 1st, I want to add in a Gold Gym session everyday.

[Inspector Fowler]

Alright so I just picked up p90x for 100$ for the chin-up bar and restraint band set included.

Here's a question, my door's frame isn't thick enough to support the chin up bar. Are their alternative chin-up exercises i can do without having to drill brackets into my wall to hold the chin up bar?

The resistance bands can substitute for the chin-ups for a while but eventually you'll probably want to do the "real deal".

I have my pull up bar mounted in my basement in the weirdest way possible, but it works.

[Exodus]

The resistance bands can substitute for the chin-ups for a while but eventually you'll probably want to do the "real deal".

I have my pull up bar mounted in my basement in the weirdest way possible, but it works.

I have the wall brackets that the bar can hook into but I don't know if it's very smart to drill into the wall unless I know it's not going to damage it with use.

Anyone have any idea about this?

[carnage11]

None of the doors in my house are strong enough to use the pull up bar so I just don't do them. You can use the bands, but you still have to strap it to something on the ceiling. I just don't have anything in my house to use, so I just don't do pull ups. I do have a weight bench that has a pull down bar, but I don't think it's the same. I just do sit ups while they are doing pull ups on the video.

[Inspector Fowler]

I have the wall brackets that the bar can hook into but I don't know if it's very smart to drill into the wall unless I know it's not going to damage it with use.

Anyone have any idea about this?

As long as you drill into studs it should be fine. Use a stud finder and make sure you're not just mounting it to unsupported drywall.

My wife has a hammock mounted to the studs in her study and it has never shown the slightest sign of collapsing the wall or anything.

The pullups are a huge part of it. Because of my weight I have to do most of them with the chair for support but I have gotten much stronger because of it. They're over half of the back workouts.

[IIntrude]

Just thought I would chime in here. Both my wife and I have been on a pretty strict diet for the last 2 months or so.

She has lost nearly 20 lbs so far and is looking great, if she keeps it up she will be back to her high school form. She also goes to the gym 3-4 times a week.

I have insofar only been dieting and have lost about 15lbs so far. That alone is motivating.

The diet itself isn't bad, we still eat most foods we like, just prepare them a different way. Haven't had much pasta, burgers, fries, or other such things though. On Fridays, that is our new date night, we go out to our favorite place and we don't count the calories and such. We don't go overboard either, but she will eat some pizza and I will eat some Raviolli, things we normally don't eat now. That Friday dinner is also good motivation for us to continue our current ways.

[bapenguin]

Just thought I would chime in here. Both my wife and I have been on a pretty strict diet for the last 2 months or so.

She has lost nearly 20 lbs so far and is looking great, if she keeps it up she will be back to her high school form. She also goes to the gym 3-4 times a week.

I have insofar only been dieting and have lost about 15lbs so far. That alone is motivating.

The diet itself isn't bad, we still eat most foods we like, just prepare them a different way. Haven't had much pasta, burgers, fries, or other such things though. On Fridays, that is our new date night, we go out to our favorite place and we don't count the calories and such. We don't go overboard either, but she will eat some pizza and I will eat some Raviolli, things we normally don't eat now. That Friday dinner is also good motivation for us to continue our current ways.

That's a great way to do it. It's awesome you guys are working on it together - wish I could convince my wife to do the same.

I'm just now starting to get back into my old routine after being a bit displaced for a few months. The good news is I only gained about 5 pounds back, despite eating pretty horribly. I'd like to try to lose 15 pounds by the end of the summer and then I"ll be in a good place.

[Psykoboy2]

So after some thought and after some research. I've begun the journey of having weight loss surgery. Specifically Roux en-Y gastric bypass surgery. I've currently made no commitments yet. I am attending a required seminar on Saturday that will then give me a year afterward to follow through with the surgery.

The reason there is nothing set in stone yet is because my insurance will not cover the operation. It's all on me to fund this.

Anyway, I don't know if this goes here or some other thread, but yeah, that's where I'm at right now.

[TrackZero]

So after some thought and after some research. I've begun the journey of having weight loss surgery. Specifically Roux en-Y gastric bypass surgery. I've currently made no commitments yet. I am attending a required seminar on Saturday that will then give me a year afterward to follow through with the surgery.

The reason there is nothing set in stone yet is because my insurance will not cover the operation. It's all on me to fund this.

Anyway, I don't know if this goes here or some other thread, but yeah, that's where I'm at right now.

Speaking as someone who's considered this type of thing before, good on you for at least doing your research on it, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[Bone]

I have talked to people who are miserable with the puking and... other purging that is caused by such a reduction in stomach size (see: dumping syndrome). I do applaud your looking into it, but have you exhausted the options of diet and exercise and found them unable to reduce your weight?

[Karak]

So after some thought and after some research. I've begun the journey of having weight loss surgery. Specifically Roux en-Y gastric bypass surgery. I've currently made no commitments yet. I am attending a required seminar on Saturday that will then give me a year afterward to follow through with the surgery.

The reason there is nothing set in stone yet is because my insurance will not cover the operation. It's all on me to fund this.

Anyway, I don't know if this goes here or some other thread, but yeah, that's where I'm at right now.

I know 4 people who have done this and all are very very happy with the results. It takes some getting used to and you can't eat like you used to or you get sick(which to me is a positive but whatever).
Keep up the research and good luck.

[EternalGamer]

If you feel your weight is hurting your exercise, maybe swimming would be good. Really good workout for body and lungs, and easier on the joints.

You're right but I think they're finding our current running shoes are not ideal for the natural caveman running position... encourages bad form in the ankle. Barefoot running is popular but a little dangerous- but now I see a lot of people in those goofy 5-toe shoes that apparently encourage proper running form.

I dont know what these "five toe" shoes are, but I have been jogging 5-6 miles a day for a couple of years now (with a few months off here and there) and lately my knees started getting a little sensitive. I tried wearing a pair of those Sketcher "Shape Ups" yesterday and jogged over five miles wothout a hint of discomfort. I did notice the jog being a bit more tiring, but that is a good sign. I'll use them q couple more times before coming to a definitive conclusion, bur the preliminary results seem to indicayte that they work pretty darn well.

[Siraris]

Just thought I would chime in here. Both my wife and I have been on a pretty strict diet for the last 2 months or so.

She has lost nearly 20 lbs so far and is looking great, if she keeps it up she will be back to her high school form. She also goes to the gym 3-4 times a week.

I have insofar only been dieting and have lost about 15lbs so far. That alone is motivating.

The diet itself isn't bad, we still eat most foods we like, just prepare them a different way. Haven't had much pasta, burgers, fries, or other such things though. On Fridays, that is our new date night, we go out to our favorite place and we don't count the calories and such. We don't go overboard either, but she will eat some pizza and I will eat some Raviolli, things we normally don't eat now. That Friday dinner is also good motivation for us to continue our current ways.

What do you guys eat in a normal day, and how many calories are you intaking?

I just ask, because I'm trying to lose some fat. I'm 5'11 175 and I'm trying to get down to 160 or so. Lately I've been eating:

Breakfast: Oatmeal and some fruit, or yogurt and a banana, or some eggs
Lunch: Salad and a low-cal sandwich, tacos with salsa, lettuce and a little cheese, just a salad etc.
Dinner: Something light, fish or chicken, low amount of carbs, etc.

Staying away from Pizza, and most unhealthy things. I work out 6 days a week, and so far, in two weeks, I've only lost about 5 lbs, although I lift and take 75 grams of Whey when I do, so I'm probably building muscle.

I'm just impatient, and I want the fat to go away. I think I'm doing things right, but I want to see more results!

[carnage11]

What do you guys eat in a normal day, and how many calories are you intaking?

I just ask, because I'm trying to lose some fat. I'm 5'11 175 and I'm trying to get down to 160 or so. Lately I've been eating:

Breakfast: Oatmeal and some fruit, or yogurt and a banana, or some eggs
Lunch: Salad and a low-cal sandwich, tacos with salsa, lettuce and a little cheese, just a salad etc.
Dinner: Something light, fish or chicken, low amount of carbs, etc.

Staying away from Pizza, and most unhealthy things. I work out 6 days a week, and so far, in two weeks, I've only lost about 5 lbs, although I lift and take 75 grams of Whey when I do, so I'm probably building muscle.

I'm just impatient, and I want the fat to go away. I think I'm doing things right, but I want to see more results!

I think at your height, if you eat around 1500 calories a day, you should be able to drop around 5 lbs per week. Add to it the Whey protein and it's less. You should at the very least see yourself toning up.

[Karak]

What do you guys eat in a normal day, and how many calories are you intaking?

I just ask, because I'm trying to lose some fat. I'm 5'11 175 and I'm trying to get down to 160 or so. Lately I've been eating:

Breakfast: Oatmeal and some fruit, or yogurt and a banana, or some eggs
Lunch: Salad and a low-cal sandwich, tacos with salsa, lettuce and a little cheese, just a salad etc.
Dinner: Something light, fish or chicken, low amount of carbs, etc.

Staying away from Pizza, and most unhealthy things. I work out 6 days a week, and so far, in two weeks, I've only lost about 5 lbs, although I lift and take 75 grams of Whey when I do, so I'm probably building muscle.

I'm just impatient, and I want the fat to go away. I think I'm doing things right, but I want to see more results!

THis is pretty balanced actually. I take a daily vit all the time, so that might be good. 2 weeks and 3 pounds and you are complaining...Sorry but at your size and weight, which is not high, you probably won't be shedding weight much faster without possible dropping some water.

6 workouts a week may also set you back with low caloric intake. If they are uber hard, any time you sleep your body is going to do everything it can to keep what you eat. So watch that. You can't control what your body does during rest and sleep and you will feel mostly the same but you will be losing less weight.

[Exodus]

What do you guys eat in a normal day, and how many calories are you intaking?

I just ask, because I'm trying to lose some fat. I'm 5'11 175 and I'm trying to get down to 160 or so. Lately I've been eating:

Breakfast: Oatmeal and some fruit, or yogurt and a banana, or some eggs
Lunch: Salad and a low-cal sandwich, tacos with salsa, lettuce and a little cheese, just a salad etc.
Dinner: Something light, fish or chicken, low amount of carbs, etc.

Staying away from Pizza, and most unhealthy things. I work out 6 days a week, and so far, in two weeks, I've only lost about 5 lbs, although I lift and take 75 grams of Whey when I do, so I'm probably building muscle.

I'm just impatient, and I want the fat to go away. I think I'm doing things right, but I want to see more results!

I'm 5"6, I'm supposed to be 160lbs. You're 5"11, you being 160 sounds way too light for a person that's pretty much 6 foot. Think healthy dude...being under weight is terrible unless you're looking for the starving model look...then I guess to each his own.

[Karak]

I'm 5"6, I'm supposed to be 160lbs. You're 5"11, you being 160 sounds way too light for a person that's pretty much 6 foot. Think healthy dude...being under weight is terrible unless you're looking for the starving model look...then I guess to each his own.

I also used to think this but teaching martial arts you can be blown away how someone looks and what they weigh. So many weird things when it comes to weight and how it hides...or does not.

[Karak]

What do you guys eat in a normal day, and how many calories are you intaking?


When teaching heavy, running and doing martial arts daily I take in maybe 3500. Normally maybe 2500, and if I am trying to lose down to maybe 1800. My lose rate is very weird. It is a large flexible amount for me. I also can fluctuate incredible amounts both in my youth because I didn't care, and also just...well...because I guess. I have been upwards of 280, and down to 185 in the same year.

[Exodus]

I also used to think this but teaching martial arts you can be blown away how someone looks and what they weigh. So many weird things when it comes to weight and how it hides...or does not.

I can understand also if he's shooting for a body fat percentage too now that I think about it.

[Karak]

I can understand also if he's shooting for a body fat percentage too now that I think about it.
My first experience with this was of all people Mike Tyson. They showed him, this bull of a man with insane muscles and in physical shape, and then they showed his weight which was so low. It looked fucked up, just wrong.

[Siraris]

I'm 5"6, I'm supposed to be 160lbs. You're 5"11, you being 160 sounds way too light for a person that's pretty much 6 foot. Think healthy dude...being under weight is terrible unless you're looking for the starving model look...then I guess to each his own.

I'm trying to lose fat. I have a lot of muscle, but at 175, I am not happy with the fat on my stomach area, and I want to see my muscles more. I don't know how much is there, but it's enough that if I pinch with my index and thumb on my stomach, I get about an inch of fat/skin between my fingers. I want it gone!

btw, my friend is 5'6 or 5'7 and he weighs 125, and he has a flat stomach and good muscle tone. I think 160 is a little high for someone at 5'6. He actually was about 150, but he lost 25 lbs recently doing P90x and eating 1600 calorie/low fat diet.

[carnage11]

Don't eat anything 3 hours before you go to bed. That way your body will start to burn through fat while you're a sleep. You're sleeping, so you're not gonna be hungry. It's a good 8 hours of fat loss if you keep with it. Just make sure to eat a good hearty breakfast.

Losing belly fat is VERY difficult. I'm struggling with this myself. I'm 6'1" and 185 lbs. I'm not fat, but I still have a gut. I probably should quit drinking beer.............hah! yeah right!:p

[Siraris]

Don't eat anything 3 hours before you go to bed. That way your body will start to burn through fat while you're a sleep. You're sleeping, so you're not gonna be hungry. It's a good 8 hours of fat loss if you keep with it. Just make sure to eat a good hearty breakfast.

Losing belly fat is VERY difficult. I'm struggling with this myself. I'm 6'1" and 185 lbs. I'm not fat, but I still have a gut. I probably should quit drinking beer.............hah! yeah right!:p

Well, if you eat a low cal low fat diet, you can lose the stomach. I already am, kind of. I also work out first thing in the morning when I can, because your insulin levels are very low in the morning from fasting over night, so you're burning fat from your body instead of sugars from foods you've already eaten.

My friend that lost the 25 lbs, lost stomach fat. Took only 90 days too.

[carnage11]

Well, if you eat a low cal low fat diet, you can lose the stomach. I already am, kind of. I also work out first thing in the morning when I can, because your insulin levels are very low in the morning from fasting over night, so you're burning fat from your body instead of sugars from foods you've already eaten.

My friend that lost the 25 lbs, lost stomach fat. Took only 90 days too.

I hate working out in the morning. I'm so lazy in the morning. I can barely get out of bed. I'll keep that in mind though.

[Exodus]

I'm trying to lose fat. I have a lot of muscle, but at 175, I am not happy with the fat on my stomach area, and I want to see my muscles more. I don't know how much is there, but it's enough that if I pinch with my index and thumb on my stomach, I get about an inch of fat/skin between my fingers. I want it gone!

btw, my friend is 5'6 or 5'7 and he weighs 125, and he has a flat stomach and good muscle tone. I think 160 is a little high for someone at 5'6. He actually was about 150, but he lost 25 lbs recently doing P90x and eating 1600 calorie/low fat diet.

See, that's a commitment. I'm just shooting for 160lbs and nothing more. I don't want look at me muscles. In other words, just fit.

[DeathtollWRX]

I'm 5"6, I'm supposed to be 160lbs. You're 5"11, you being 160 sounds way too light for a person that's pretty much 6 foot. Think healthy dude...being under weight is terrible unless you're looking for the starving model look...then I guess to each his own.

I'm also 5'6 160 LBS but I have seen people that were 6'0 and about my weight, they don't look THAT thin.. no bones sticking out though they did look rather slender.

then again,

I do look a bit thin even though I am not very tall. I think all the weight is in my bones or heavy skull!

[Karak]

I will shoot this out there for the belly fat crowd. A good deal of my pals are weightlifters both natty and...users. They all seem to have a great amount of success with Vit C to control cortisol and cut belly fat a bit. Now before you say anything, these guys are like walking peitri dishes, but they also experiement with a great deal far before science ever gets the chance. Sometimes thats to their detriment. However, I went to 1500 or 2000mgs a day and did indeed notice in a 2 month period losing about 2.5 inches and the "roundness" that I had was gone.
Since this is legal and still not a massive amount I figured I would toss it out there for you.

Anyway your ymmv.

[Generation ABXY]

So is "Vit C" is just plain ol' vitamin C, then?

For me, that "roundness" seemed to come from general neglect - I could never remember to actually incorporate that area in my workout (once I did, though, I found planks helped tone me up nicely).

[Karak]

So is "Vit C" is just plain ol' vitamin C, then?

For me, that "roundness" seemed to come from general neglect - I could never remember to actually incorporate that area in my workout (once I did, though, I found planks helped tone me up nicely).

Roundness was also neglect on my side as well. I hurt my back. And never got my gut back into shape the way I should.
Yes vitamin C. There are studies being conducted right now for it. As a whole, they swear by it. Basically its one of the things that you don't hear arguments about versus everything else under the sun with those kinds of people. I tried it and it worked.
And trust me...these guys argue about everything under the sun. They only agree on say 1-3 things. This happens to be one of them.

[CappinCanuck]

See, that's a commitment. I'm just shooting for 160lbs and nothing more. I don't want look at me muscles. In other words, just fit.

And bad... 125 at 5'7" is underweight. I know that 160lbs is what you should be at for 5'8" (that's my height).

I'm at 160 on the dot but struggling with a couple inches of belly flab. I'm not interested in putting in any more time to working out the core than I already am though. I'd rather have it than put in any more time. I'll give the Vit C a try though, thanks for the tip!

[Xerxes]

Q: I just got done working out 30 minutes ago. I showered, but I'm still sweating. Is this normal?

[Clark]

Q: I just got done working out 30 minutes ago. I showered, but I'm still sweating. Is this normal?

Yessir. It happens to me after running a lot.

Usually it helps to either wait a bit, or to take a cold shower. The cold water cools you off and closes your pores.

[Karak]

Q: I just got done working out 30 minutes ago. I showered, but I'm still sweating. Is this normal?

Yep. Cool down phase after a workout can take up to an hour even after a shower. Totally normal.

[Xerxes]

Yessir. It happens to me after running a lot.

Usually it helps to either wait a bit, or to take a cold shower. The cold water cools you off and closes your pores.

Couldn't wait, had to go to the dentist. :)

[Siraris]

Roundness was also neglect on my side as well. I hurt my back. And never got my gut back into shape the way I should.
Yes vitamin C. There are studies being conducted right now for it. As a whole, they swear by it. Basically its one of the things that you don't hear arguments about versus everything else under the sun with those kinds of people. I tried it and it worked.
And trust me...these guys argue about everything under the sun. They only agree on say 1-3 things. This happens to be one of them.

Sorry, but this seems totally bogus to me. I searched Bodybuilding.com, which is the definitive workout site on the net, and there isn't even a single topic referring to vitamin c cutting fat. The only references I can find, are from bunk websites without any references.

[Karak]

Sorry, but this seems totally bogus to me. I searched Bodybuilding.com, which is the definitive workout site on the net, and there isn't even a single topic referring to vitamin c cutting fat. The only references I can find, are from bunk websites without any references.

Weird, not only is it not bogus its been shown in studies. I am not sure why they don't have it especially with it being posted pretty much everwhere as a cort control agent. Higher dosages than normal but still works. Maybe cause you were looking for fat loss versus cort control which is one of the leading causes of the gut weight. Weird, even moreso due to some of the products on their pages actually having that as one of their selling points.

EDIT: You might take another gander at my post too. Bodybuilding.net isn't the premier site for...the unique people that I am talking about if you get my drift. I personally have no issue with them, as some of their info is ok, but different audience.

[dualshotty23]

vitamin c does play a role in burning fat as it is used to make up quite a few, please dont make me list them, amino acids. These aa's are crucial in the fat burning process but only to an extent anything over 1000 mg a day is basically useless as your body wont utilize it.

that being said, vitamin d is also helpful in the fat burning process so go stand outside.

[Karak]

vitamin c does play a role in burning fat as it is used to make up quite a few, please dont make me list them, amino acids. These aa's are crucial in the fat burning process but only to an extent anything over 1000 mg a day is basically useless as your body wont utilize it.

that being said, vitamin d is also helpful in the fat burning process so go stand outside.

Also C is good for cort control. Also the over 1000 seems to be debunked now. As in, you can't pee it ALL out and excess that doesn't get pee'd out does actually get somewhat absorbed. Also using "A day" has sort of gone by the wayside. It seems that more people are using the 8 hour cycle as their measure for intake of these things due to the fact that levels do rise noticably after an 8 hour period if more of the chemical is introduced. Not sure what I think about that.
On the other hand, you can always drink white grapefruit juice to get more of it but I think that is f'ing dangerous though I know so many people who do it. Scary stuff.

[carnage11]

I'm already taking 1000mg of Vitamin C a day, as well as a multitude of other vitamins. Doesn't seem to help. Honestly, I think the only thing that's gonna get rid of this spare tire is a strict diet and lots of exercise. I bought my wife and I e-cigs yesterday, so hopefully we will be able to quit smoking soon. I'm also going to quit drinking and hopefully this will lead to more workouts. I work out probably 3-4 times a week, I'm hoping to take it up a notch and try for 5-6 days a week. My biggest issue is cardio, and I know it's because of the smoking. I tried to swim some laps the other day and was seriously winded after 3 laps. That's bad. Fuck cigarettes.

[Karak]

I'm already taking 1000mg of Vitamin C a day, as well as a multitude of other vitamins. Doesn't seem to help. Honestly, I think the only thing that's gonna get rid of this spare tire is a strict diet and lots of exercise. I bought my wife and I e-cigs yesterday, so hopefully we will be able to quit smoking soon. I'm also going to quit drinking and hopefully this will lead to more workouts. I work out probably 3-4 times a week, I'm hoping to take it up a notch and try for 5-6 days a week. My biggest issue is cardio, and I know it's because of the smoking. I tried to swim some laps the other day and was seriously winded after 3 laps. That's bad. Fuck cigarettes.

Also watch stress as cort can give you a spare tire fast. That's the main use of the vitamin c.

Cardio can be hard. Have you tried 5 10 minute hard exercises or something else to break it up.
Also remember, bad gut, work the back, bad back work the gut. So make sure you get a good deal of trunk and back exercises in there. Mine started to go away when I went to 2000 vit C and then when my cort was under control I then began a good deal of back exercises and SOME gut. I think maybe 80/20. Worked wonders.

[dualshotty23]

Also C is good for cort control. Also the over 1000 seems to be debunked now. As in, you can't pee it ALL out and excess that doesn't get pee'd out does actually get somewhat absorbed. Also using "A day" has sort of gone by the wayside. It seems that more people are using the 8 hour cycle as their measure for intake of these things due to the fact that levels do rise noticably after an 8 hour period if more of the chemical is introduced. Not sure what I think about that.
On the other hand, you can always drink white grapefruit juice to get more of it but I think that is f'ing dangerous though I know so many people who do it. Scary stuff.

i know you cant pee it all out, what more recent studies have shown is that while it gets absorbed the vit c goes to boosting other functions and the increase in l-carnatine, for example, plateau's after 1000mg.

Just out of curiosity who is "more people", general citizens or people of the scientific community? I know in all the research we do its still "a day" and i know that's the system of dosage locally for hospitals.

[dualshotty23]

Also watch stress as cort can give you a spare tire fast. That's the main use of the vitamin c.

Cardio can be hard. Have you tried 5 10 minute hard exercises or something else to break it up.
Also remember, bad gut, work the back, bad back work the gut. So make sure you get a good deal of trunk and back exercises in there. Mine started to go away when I went to 2000 vit C and then when my cort was under control I then began a good deal of back exercises and SOME gut. I think maybe 80/20. Worked wonders.

stress is huge and can destroy your weight loss goals, a fair amount of doctors now recommend taking a yoga class before your workout just so you relax. This is really easy at the Y where they have free classes like this.

All the research i am finding is still showing vitamin c controls cort levels only when your in a deficit, thus adding copious amounts wont continue to affect cortisol levels. if you would link me a primary article id like to read it.

As for the cardio you burn more calories doing sprints than a constant pace so if you can set a constant pace at 4 or 5 mph for 20 minutes and at the top of every minute sprint for the first 15 seconds you will burn up to 3 times as many calories. also know that your other fat stores will burn off first, stomach fat is the most vascular and so its the easiest place for the body to deposit energy.

[Karak]

i know you cant pee it all out, what more recent studies have shown is that while it gets absorbed the vit c goes to boosting other functions and the increase in l-carnatine, for example, plateau's after 1000mg.

Just out of curiosity who is "more people", general citizens or people of the scientific community? I know in all the research we do its still "a day" and i know that's the system of dosage locally for hospitals.

Athletics docs, sports medicine people I am around, and the studies I read have all pointed out that "a day" means nothing and is not only NOT a scientifically correct way to measure time, but one person's day could differ from anthers by up to 6 hours. I am not saying this will change tomorrow but its a valid...very valid concern. It's not safe, not accurate and hopefully will in some way be replaced. Such as the new medicine patches that are being studied that release upon specific chemical markers that indicate food is being digested, insulin issues, and specific sweat markers. Probably 5 years out maybe.
Digestion research and better calibration is what is needed and thankfully being done.
The studies indicate how many people die due to incorrect taking of medications and one of those issues could easily be "doubling up" which does seem to be the case.

[carnage11]

Stress is a HUGE factor in my life and something I really need to work on. I'm hoping that quitting smoking will take care of that at least some what.

[dualshotty23]

well working in a hospital and entering med school in a year i would have to say that most doctors stand by the "a day" method, pharmacists as well. Peoples days can differ greatly in time and activity, any universal dosage is going to be inaccurate. For most drugs that have a max dosage "a day" is very effective, i.e morphine, acetaminophen, norco, ibuprofen. That being said an "every 8 hour" regiment may be more accurate but shit, people cant even take their medications once a day so i am skeptical of very many people being responsible enough to monitor supplement and substance intake multiple times a day.

once again i would love links to primary articles.

(just to be clear im not trying to be a sarcastic prick, i enjoy reading medical studies so i really would like links to studies if you have them. Also im not saying your wrong just interested in discussing.)

[Karak]

stress is huge and can destroy your weight loss goals, a fair amount of doctors now recommend taking a yoga class before your workout just so you relax. This is really easy at the Y where they have free classes like this.

All the research i am finding is still showing vitamin c controls cort levels only when your in a deficit, thus adding copious amounts wont continue to affect cortisol levels. if you would link me a primary article id like to read it.

As for the cardio you burn more calories doing sprints than a constant pace so if you can set a constant pace at 4 or 5 mph for 20 minutes and at the top of every minute sprint for the first 15 seconds you will burn up to 3 times as many calories. also know that your other fat stores will burn off first, stomach fat is the most vascular and so its the easiest place for the body to deposit energy.

When I get home I will pop the link up. What I am reading pretty much everywhere is that cort control occurs when you have less C than you need, cort lowering is handled by more than the normal amount of Vit C. So basically C is super important. I will also go on the record saying I 100% did not get enough vitamin c. :)
That is correct about cardio. However, remember that sprints won't increase lung capacity as much as long term running so you/he might not notice a rise in his ability to work/run harder doing that. I would alternate between the two but that's just me.

[dualshotty23]

Stress is a HUGE factor in my life and something I really need to work on. I'm hoping that quitting smoking will take care of that at least some what.

It's awesome you want to quit smoking and i wish you luck, just want to make you aware of the fact that when you do quit you may see a pause in any weight loss you are experiencing. Cigarettes have weight loss components to them and will help keep you thinner as well as masque hunger feelings. so just dont be surprised or get depressed if weight loss plateau's and just be aware you may want to eat more so keep an eye on that.

[dualshotty23]

When I get home I will pop the link up. What I am reading pretty much everywhere is that cort control occurs when you have less C than you need, cort lowering is handled by more than the normal amount of Vit C. So basically C is super important. I will also go on the record saying I 100% did not get enough vitamin c. :)
That is correct about cardio. However, remember that sprints won't increase lung capacity as much as long term running so you/he might not notice a rise in his ability to work/run harder doing that. I would alternate between the two but that's just me.

his carido should improve with that workout he is still running distance but just throwing a sprint in every so often, its the same as running for 20 minutes but better. :) cort lowering is by consuming more than the needed amount which i believe is around 400 to 500 a day so 1000 is almost double. i know some days i get way more than 100 and some days i get 2-300 so i dont get 100 percent either.

edit: with all this being said, vitamin c is a vitamin so its pretty hard to overdose on so if you want to take 1500 your probably safe to go for it, i was just saying from what ive found after 100 results stopped increasing but it wasnt detrimental or anything.

[Karak]

Stress is a HUGE factor in my life and something I really need to work on. I'm hoping that quitting smoking will take care of that at least some what.

Ya I know how that is. I had the same issue. Changing job duties helped a good deal, upping my vit C helped a great deal and funny enough working out helps me relax.
Also reading helped me a great deal.

[Bone]

Stress is a HUGE factor in my life and something I really need to work on. I'm hoping that quitting smoking will take care of that at least some what.It will, just not in the short term. I'm a month quit and I still want to kill people with my bare hands pretty regularly.

[Karak]

his carido should improve with that workout he is still running distance but just throwing a sprint in every so often, its the same as running for 20 minutes but better. :) cort lowering is by consuming more than the needed amount which i believe is around 400 to 500 a day so 1000 is almost double. i know some days i get way more than 100 and some days i get 2-300 so i dont get 100 percent either.

edit: with all this being said, vitamin c is a vitamin so its pretty hard to overdose on so if you want to take 1500 your probably safe to go for it, i was just saying from what ive found after 100 results stopped increasing but it wasnt detrimental or anything.
Ya I hear ya. I was just thinking along the lines of someone just burning themselves out sprinting.

Ya Vit C is indeed not easy to OD on with weightlifters taking 2500 on 8 hour cycles hahahahah. By the way damnit, I am not saying to do that. I find it funny more than anything.

[Karak]

Here is a quick question for you guys.
Is nicotine gum supposed to be addictive? I ask because, pop is supposed to be but after 8 years drinking it I stopped with no effects, I started chewing nicotine gum one day when I was super tired, and actually liked the feeling but same thing. Chewed it for a couple months and stopped and never had an effect but I was wondering if I am supposed to. Studies seem to point that it is supposed to be addicting but nothing occurred?
Anyone else have that?

[dualshotty23]

well yeah, adjust the times as necessary.

and if you overdose on vitamins, it was your time to go. :)

[dualshotty23]

Here is a quick question for you guys.
Is nicotine gum supposed to be addictive? I ask because, pop is supposed to be but after 8 years drinking it I stopped with no effects, I started chewing nicotine gum one day when I was super tired, and actually liked the feeling but same thing. Chewed it for a couple months and stopped and never had an effect but I was wondering if I am supposed to. Studies seem to point that it is supposed to be addicting but nothing occurred?
Anyone else have that?

yes it should be addictive and can be just as addictive as cigarettes. but your apparently super natural because when i stopped drinking pop i went through day long headaches for a week. Plus i felt like crap to the point where i seriously laid in bed at night and craved/literally fantasized about having a cold dr. pepper.

[carnage11]

It will, just not in the short term. I'm a month quit and I still want to kill people with my bare hands pretty regularly.

Did you quit cold turkey? If so, you are stronger than I. I bought two e-cigs for my wife and I. We are excited. There are several people that I work with that now puff on e-cigs (the new lingo is "vaping") and they have all told me that they couldn't smoke a cig if they tried. Totally quit after a week or two and won't go back. That has me excited. I will lower the nicotine dosage after a while and eventually just knock it all together. One guy even told me after switching, he's now coughing up lots of black tar and shit from his lungs, which might sound gross but is a good sign that his lungs are beginning to heal.

[Karak]

yes it should be addictive and can be just as addictive as cigarettes. but your apparently super natural because when i stopped drinking pop i went through day long headaches for a week. Plus i felt like crap to the point where i seriously laid in bed at night and craved/literally fantasized about having a cold dr. pepper.
...
Really?
Thanks I didn't study much on it, I was only chewing a couple tablets a day but they were the 4mg versions and it said something on the back like only chew 2-3 a day. Fuck I was chewing an entire sheath of the fuckers so I stopped thinking I was killing myself...nada. No symptoms no nothing.

As for pop I really did get nervous stopping but I wanted to see what would happen. It was a total personal experiment...which I sort of love.

NOTHING changed, I didn't lose weight(As some say you will for various reasons) didn't gain, no extra sleep, no headaches, no problems. On the other hand despite all the worries about pop I have my values tested every year for other reasons and my numbers have always been exceptional even when drinking 2-3 2 liters a day of diet pepsi. Or back when I was drinking a case of Mt Dew or more every day.

My mom got bad headaches when she stopped so I know what you mean. She said they were almost migraines.

[Siraris]

Actually, Karak, it did say quite a bit about cortisol, but it said nothing about controlling weight. If that's the case, taking 1000 mg of C should be no problem. I am taking a multi-vitamin now, so I'll have to see how much C is in it.

I've been frustrated lately that I'm not seeing more results. I am watching what I eat pretty closely, and I work out 6 days a week. So frustrating! I just want the belly fat to be gone.

[dualshotty23]

2-3 2 liters, holy shite. i was drinking like 3 or 4 cans a day before i tried to quit and got owned by my addiction. but when i quit i never lost weight either the only thing that changed was headaches.

i have had a couple friends chew the gum and never crave it or anything and they just stopped one day as well so like i said it is "suppose" to be addictive i havent read much on it.

[Bone]

Did you quit cold turkey? If so, you are stronger than I. Cold turkey yes, but with the help of Wellbutrin which I'm still on. Also good for mild depression, anxiety, and ADHD, which is how they discovered its nicotine-quitting properties apparently by accident. And since I have some forms of all those it's kind of a good fit for me. Also doesn't cause weight gain OR sexual dysfunction like most other anti-depressants (tell me, how can you treat depression if you make the patient fatter and horrible in bed? I digress).

In my case the drug helps make cigarettes taste nasty, almost like when you smoke one on the hottest day of summer and the smoke itself is hot and gross (more than usual, I guess I should say). It doesn't reduce my cravings at all, but sort of punishes me for failure. Similar to people who brush bitter stuff onto their fingers to stop chewing their nails.

Honestly, after a month the cravings are finally starting to subside and I did go through a couple weeks of expectorating gunk. Almost as if my lungs waited a couple weeks and agreed with each other, "looks like he really quit this time. Alright, let's hock this shit up!"

EDIT: Also, good for you as well! Don't consider yourself less strong for using another method. Deciding to quit is hard enough (it's not the same as wanting to quit).

[carnage11]

Nicotine is highly addictive, but the time it takes to get addicted varies. I smoked cigarettes for several years before I could say I was actually addicted and couldn't stop on my own accord. If you were to chew nico-gum for 10 years, yes I would say you would probably get addicted.

[dualshotty23]

Actually, Karak, it did say quite a bit about cortisol, but it said nothing about controlling weight. If that's the case, taking 1000 mg of C should be no problem. I am taking a multi-vitamin now, so I'll have to see how much C is in it.

I've been frustrated lately that I'm not seeing more results. I am watching what I eat pretty closely, and I work out 6 days a week. So frustrating! I just want the belly fat to be gone.

your not doing the same workout for a long period of time right? your body can get used to its workout and plateau. and its not gonna hurt to try the vitamin c either. as for your diet, when i was trying to lose weight i was eating healthy and making every i ate so i knew what was in it i didnt start to lose weight until i had a friend (doctor) tell em to try consuming less than 20 grams of sugar a day, jesus that is hard but it worked.

[dualshotty23]

Nicotine is highly addictive, but the time it takes to get addicted varies. I smoked cigarettes for several years before I could say I was actually addicted and couldn't stop on my own accord. If you were to chew nico-gum for 10 years, yes I would say you would probably get addicted.

yeah i smoked for a month and was hooked, i havent smoked for three years and every time i walk past someone smoking i subconsciously take a deep breath.

[Karak]

Actually, Karak, it did say quite a bit about cortisol, but it said nothing about controlling weight. If that's the case, taking 1000 mg of C should be no problem. I am taking a multi-vitamin now, so I'll have to see how much C is in it.

I've been frustrated lately that I'm not seeing more results. I am watching what I eat pretty closely, and I work out 6 days a week. So frustrating! I just want the belly fat to be gone.

ya sorry. It was my fault as we were talking about gut and I just kept going with it but did NOT explain myself. Cort is a big cause of gut fat, so doing whatever you can to remove some of it is vital.

BACK WORK for gut.
There are 4 major reasons for this
1 The back muscles get bigger and tighten the skin
2 The back and trunk muscles become leaner and this improves the ability of the gut to hold itself in easier
3 Sometimes peoples guts look big due to their back being small. If you work your back it can create a look of alignment that can remove say 1-2 inches
4 Back and trunk work actually make situps and such slightly harder, meaning slightly more "personal weight" to lift.

Trust me. With just that and C I ended up making giant strides. Also I do suck in my gut at all times(martial arts) which keeps you toned over time.

[Karak]

2-3 2 liters, holy shite. i was drinking like 3 or 4 cans a day before i tried to quit and got owned by my addiction. but when i quit i never lost weight either the only thing that changed was headaches.

i have had a couple friends chew the gum and never crave it or anything and they just stopped one day as well so like i said it is "suppose" to be addictive i havent read much on it.

That was on a lean day. I am not saying it was healthy...but ya. A case more more daily is still my intake. But I also am on the move most of the day. And...I hate the taste of water...HATE IT. So pop sort of replaced it.
Since I never saw any bad impact on my liver/kidney values I never worried. I actually still don't. I am not saying diet pop is healthy, I could be a unique case, but if ANYONE is a study for overconsumption of pop products it is me:)

[Karak]

your not doing the same workout for a long period of time right? your body can get used to its workout and plateau. and its not gonna hurt to try the vitamin c either. as for your diet, when i was trying to lose weight i was eating healthy and making every i ate so i knew what was in it i didnt start to lose weight until i had a friend (doctor) tell em to try consuming less than 20 grams of sugar a day, jesus that is hard but it worked.

Good advice.
Here is what worked for me. I am the typical BIG trunk style of body with slightly shorter legs.

Running. I run maybe 9-12 miles every other day, with some sprints.
Atkins(or low carb) whatever. But basically I cut carbs which instantly cuts my weight. But as I have said in many threads I don't handle suger or carbs well and god fats can give you great energy.
My alt workouts whenever I feel like I am slacking.

Here is one.
5 minutes of sprints between two areas maybe 50 feet apart 2 times in a row. Then drop to stomach, put hands and feet behind my head and butt to make my trunk lift me when breathing. I do that for 30 seconds. Than get up and do the next sprint
5 minutes of jogging at a good clip
5 minutes of pushups and sit ups alternating to failure
5 minutes of jogging again
5 minutes of the sprint
5 minutes of indian squats against a wall alternating with 30 seconds of single leg calf raises leaning against a wall
Done

Another
5 minutes of jump rope
5 minutes of jogging
5 minutes of arches or bridges
5 minutes of single leg body raises
5 minutes of inverted pushups mixed with chair dips when I fail at either.

[dualshotty23]

i feel ya, when i get thirsty the last thing i want is water or milk i get lemonade or soda. i usually drink diet regardless of how bad it is.

you have probably single handedly helped pepsi/coke through the recession lol

[Karak]

i feel ya, when i get thirsty the last thing i want is water or milk i get lemonade or soda. i usually drink diet regardless of how bad it is.

you have probably single handedly helped pepsi/coke through the recession lol

Ya. The only thing I don't like is people try to give the hour long tirades towards diet pepsi and then that night they go out and drink and smoke. I want to kick them in their ovaries.
I truly don't know how bad it is for you. But I do know one thing, nothing has occurred to me yet. My problems with cancer happened before I started drinking that much and it hasn't come back since drinking that much.
So if I am like some people I would draw the conclusion that Diet Pepsi CURES CANCER!
Hahahahahah

By the way. Lemonade is a fucking magic word. Just saying it makes my mouth water and my saliva glands hurt. Damn I love that stuff.
WORDS DO HAVE MAGIC

[Siraris]

your not doing the same workout for a long period of time right? your body can get used to its workout and plateau. and its not gonna hurt to try the vitamin c either. as for your diet, when i was trying to lose weight i was eating healthy and making every i ate so i knew what was in it i didnt start to lose weight until i had a friend (doctor) tell em to try consuming less than 20 grams of sugar a day, jesus that is hard but it worked.

I do the following work out:

I do interval training 1-2 days, and then elliptical 1-2 days. Interval training I alternate 1 minute 3 mph -> 1 minute 8-8.5 mph for 10+ reps (highest I've gone is 13 so far, but that was only recently). On the elliptical I do 30 minutes of pretty intense intervals (I won't do numbers because it won't mean anything as every elliptical is different). I also lift (do mostly arms and situps... 60+ pushups, curl 45 lb weights, bench, 100+ situps, elastic band for shoulders and back, etc).

As for eating, my daily meals consist of something like:

Breakfast: Bowl of oatmeal, sometimes with fruit, OR yogurt and some granola, OR some eggs.
Lunch: Salad and soup, salad alone, salad and a low-cal sandwich, a wrap, chicken tacos with lettuce salsa and a little cheese.
Dinner: Fish, chicken, salad, and with the fish or chicken, usually a side of some risotto and veggies, or baked potato.

I cheat once a week, but it's usually a burger and some fries at one meal only.

I drink a shit ton of water (I usually piss 6+ times a day at work), I take anywhere between 30-60 grams of whey protein after most workouts, and I eat some almonds throughout the day. I also take a multi-vitamin after dinner, and fish-oil.

Edit: I forgot to mention, I have about an inch and a half of fat around my lower stomach when standing (if I squeeze with my fingers and measure with a ruler), and very little fat anywhere else on my body. If I look at my upper abs, I can totally see a 3 pack there.

[Generation ABXY]

And...I hate the taste of water...HATE IT.

Wait, is there a taste to actually hate? I've always found water rather tasteless, myself...

[dualshotty23]

By the way. Lemonade is a fucking magic word. Just saying it makes my mouth water and my saliva glands hurt. Damn I love that stuff.
WORDS DO HAVE MAGIC

that just made my day. i love it when people do that shit too, no lie im walking into subway and pass a guy smoking outside. I walk in get in line and he comes in and gets in line behind me. I order a sandwich on white and he decides he needs to tell how bad white bread is for us and that he refuses to eat it because the bleach in it can take up to 2 years off your life. i was speechless.

[Karak]

that just made my day. i love it when people do that shit too, no lie im walking into subway and pass a guy smoking outside. I walk in get in line and he comes in and gets in line behind me. I order a sandwich on white and he decides he needs to tell how bad white bread is for us and that he refuses to eat it because the bleach in it can take up to 2 years off your life. i was speechless.
Tell him that losing 2 years is fine, because it only takes you 30 minutes to pleasure his wife/significant other and wipe your privates on his wheat bread.

I admit, I do have a short temper and a quick to stab wit. I have turned small quips people have said into arguments and that was stupid of me. But what you described is someone that just took minutes of your life and you will never get them back.
I would most likely knock his sandwhich to the ground when he got it. But I do not advise that. I chose to knock someone's pizza out of their hands once after he pissed me off. But I had a goup of about 4 redneckmother fuckers trying to kill me seconds afterwards. Sometimes its best to just smile nod and ask for more bleach.

[Karak]

Wait, is there a taste to actually hate? I've always found water rather tasteless, myself...

To me yes there is a taste. A...something, choking almost dirty taste to it. No matter where I go and drink it. Water to drink disgusts me, and the few times I have tried to drink it in the last couple years I have had horrible gag reflexes just sipping it.

[Bone]

that just made my day. i love it when people do that shit too, no lie im walking into subway and pass a guy smoking outside. I walk in get in line and he comes in and gets in line behind me. I order a sandwich on white and he decides he needs to tell how bad white bread is for us and that he refuses to eat it because the bleach in it can take up to 2 years off your life. i was speechless.

Whenever a smoker says they only eat organic foods, God strangles a puppy.

[Xerxes]

Today was probably to most sweatiest I've ever gotten. I won't say that made it the greatest work out but it looked like it.

Problem: I've been slacking and looking back, it's been a year full of false starts since I lost nearly 30 pounds (gained it back with horrible habits). I always blamed work. It is a big issue, when I come home defeated dealing with stupid support calls and employees. I can't go to sleep afterwards and get up on time. All my drive is just gone, and I bum around in bed until a hour before work after watching movies all night. It's been wishy washy.

Solution: This is temporary, at least until I get another job because I think somewhere it's written you need night time sleep. Basically instead of forcing myself to sleep in the final hours of the night, I'd just stay up. Work out, play games, watch movies, and then sleep during the day right before work. Like normal people.

New plan is currently, Yourself Fitness cardio session at 4:30 am, fruit plate, and 2 mile walk at 6am before I hit the shower and sleep. No more trying to get myself in bed by 1am and up by 6am to beat the sun and bugs.

Work out partner: Recently (past three weeks), me and my best friend have finally been hooking up every Monday to play basketball and do a few laps around the track. He's fit so it's cool to have someone not let me slow down on the walking pace or push me to play an extra game of 21. It's been a great way to start the week, and hopefully I'm still juiced enough to not slack when a Monday comes and he's not around.


This morning I was tempted to grab a chikfila sausage biscuit. I believe these things gave me high blood pressure, and I was craving it. Sad. I fought it off, and went to the grocery store instead. Bought a shit ton of fruit, celery and daily snacks. Feels like last year again. My shittiest employee was let go too. Less headaches lately, still an annoying place to work though.

[Karak]

Today was probably to most sweatiest I've ever gotten. I won't say that made it the greatest work out but it looked like it.

Problem: I've been slacking and looking back, it's been a year full of false starts since I lost nearly 30 pounds (gained it back with horrible habits). I always blamed work. It is a big issue, when I come home defeated dealing with stupid support calls and employees. I can't go to sleep afterwards and get up on time. All my drive is just gone, and I bum around in bed until a hour before work after watching movies all night. It's been wishy washy.

Solution: This is temporary, at least until I get another job because I think somewhere it's written you need night time sleep. Basically instead of forcing myself to sleep in the final hours of the night, I'd just stay up. Work out, play games, watch movies, and then sleep during the day right before work. Like normal people.

New plan is currently, Yourself Fitness cardio session at 4:30 am, fruit plate, and 2 mile walk at 6am before I hit the shower and sleep. No more trying to get myself in bed by 1am and up by 6am to beat the sun and bugs.

Work out partner: Recently (past three weeks), me and my best friend have finally been hooking up every Monday to play basketball and do a few laps around the track. He's fit so it's cool to have someone not let me slow down on the walking pace or push me to play an extra game of 21. It's been a great way to start the week, and hopefully I'm still juiced enough to not slack when a Monday comes and he's not around.


This morning I was tempted to grab a chikfila sausage biscuit. I believe these things gave me high blood pressure, and I was craving it. Sad. I fought it off, and went to the grocery store instead. Bought a shit ton of fruit, celery and daily snacks. Feels like last year again. My shittiest employee was let go too. Less headaches lately, still an annoying place to work though.

I will just suggest this. Do it, don't do it...whatever.
Tony Robbins. Download Personal Power for free from the net and listen. I am not saying its perfect but the tools he has put together are actually proven to work.
Try it out. For me.

[Xerxes]

I will just suggest this. Do it, don't do it...whatever.
Tony Robbins. Download Personal Power for free from the net and listen. I am not saying its perfect but the tools he has put together are actually proven to work.
Try it out. For me.

Personal Power or Personal Power 2? Cause Personal Power 2... Yeesh, 30 days! :eek:

Either or, I can do though. I'm currently reading Getting Things Done and that 7 Habits book. I'm not a self help (although is it really self help if somebody is giving me advice from books or in lectures) fan but I think at this point I need a willpower boost. I find lately all my spells (cause in my reality I'm a wizard) have been hit or miss. I think this is do to a lack of fortitude. GTD is supposed to help with my time control.

[Karak]

Personal Power or Personal Power 2? Cause Personal Power 2... Yeesh, 30 days! :eek:

Either or, I can do though. I'm currently reading Getting Things Done and that 7 Habits book. I'm not a self help (although is it really self help if somebody is giving me advice from books or in lectures) fan but I think at this point I need a willpower boost. I find lately all my spells (cause in my reality I'm a wizard) have been hit or miss. I think this is do to a lack of fortitude. GTD is supposed to help with my time control.

Listen gawd damnit. You just wrote a novel about the problems. I offered you a 30 day less than 1 hour a day way to help...and you had an issue with its length.
That right there shows you need it.
GTD is ok, but most of it is not only covered in the TR tapes but having a person tell you is so much easier than a book. He explains it back and forth and...well
You decide. And either one is fine. 1 or 2.

Remember this,
When a friend tells you to be nice and you do. Its self help. When a pal tells you to fix your hair and you do its self help. You need to rethink what is ALREADY occurring and realize that there is no difference.
Shit if a person likes a movie you like you go see it on their recommendation. Its their advice.
If someone had success with a fix and is offering to help you, even through tapes, you take it.

[Karak]

I also don't know you Xerxes but I like you none the less. So let me be frank for a moment:
A person who wants a fix. A person who wants motivation seeks in in whatever way they can, no matter the difficulty. Because the difficulty in getting the help is also a success when you find the help. Its baby steps man.

Get back on the train dude. Get back on it and listen to the damn tapes, or PM me your phone number, or give me your address and I will fly there and personally get you motivated.

PS...you don't want me flying there. I have issues with flying that I am trying to work out too. I will be cranky.

[Xerxes]

I also don't know you Xerxes but I like you none the less. So let me be frank for a moment:
A person who wants a fix. A person who wants motivation seeks in in whatever way they can, no matter the difficulty. Because the difficulty in getting the help is also a success when you find the help. Its baby steps man.

Get back on the train dude. Get back on it and listen to the damn tapes, or PM me your phone number, or give me your address and I will fly there and personally get you motivated.

PS...you don't want me flying there. I have issues with flying that I am trying to work out too. I will be cranky.

Thanks Karak. I'll start with the tapes first. I'm sure we'll talk more on the subject though. If it's an hour a day, which is really perfect. Something to listen to while working out. I really wasn't complaining about length. Ok, maybe a little but that's just my predisposition with time. I'll try and start tonight. :)

[Karak]

Thanks Karak. I'll start with the tapes first. I'm sure we'll talk more on the subject though. If it's an hour a day, which is really perfect. Something to listen to while working out. I really wasn't complaining about length. Ok, maybe a little but that's just my predisposition with time. I'll try and start tonight. :)

Ya they are like...40 minutes I think. But serious man. You will be amazed. Especially when he starts guessing what you are thinking and what failures/successes you had that week. I mean it causes your jaw to drop that he knows EXACTLY what issues people have. Good stuff.

Seriously PM me if you ever need to discuss it or have a question about anything. Its good stuf.

[Generation ABXY]

You will be amazed. Especially when he starts guessing what you are thinking and what failures/successes you had that week. I mean it causes your jaw to drop that he knows EXACTLY what issues people have. Good stuff.

Pfft! That shtick was passé after Psycho Mantis. :p

(Oh, and here's hoping it's of some help, Xerxes.)

[Karak]

Pfft! That shtick was passé after Psycho Mantis. :p

(Oh, and here's hoping it's of some help, Xerxes.)

Hahahaha. That was uncalled for. Bringing in Psycho Mantis. Its like the Candyman. Now the fucker will show up:)

[Xerxes]

Ya they are like...40 minutes I think. But serious man. You will be amazed. Especially when he starts guessing what you are thinking and what failures/successes you had that week. I mean it causes your jaw to drop that he knows EXACTLY what issues people have. Good stuff.

Seriously PM me if you ever need to discuss it or have a question about anything. Its good stuf.

Karak, so what you are telling me is Tony Robbins is actually going to say I'm not "getting enough blowjobs" on a program that appears to be a big deal. Sounds a bit risque... I grow more intrigued and anxious to her more from Robbins.

[Karak]

Karak, so what you are telling me is Tony Robbins is actually going to say I'm not "getting enough blowjobs" on a program that appears to be a big deal. Sounds a bit risque... I grow more intrigued and anxious to her more from Robbins.

No he will say
"Congrats on the two blowjobs you got this week.