So Halo 3 Recon. Do you like the idea. [Archive]

itchyeyes

10-08-2008, 09:53 PM

I'm glad it's a full game. I sold Halo 3 a while back and I was not looking forward to having to re-purchase it to play some DLC. As for the issue of whether or not it will be good without MC, we'll see. The MC/Cortana dynamic really made the first game for me, but I think it was really lacking in the last 2. If Halo 3 can get by on Gameplay, I think this could possibly too.

It seems like this game could definitely bring a lot of the Earth bound urban combat that people were hoping for in H2 and never really got.

Karak

10-08-2008, 09:54 PM

Sorry about the misspelling in the poll. I am so freaking drugged up its disgusting. But had to post this.

TheSilentDeath

10-08-2008, 10:02 PM

Just a note but bungie has posted the trailer on their site.

biosc1

10-08-2008, 10:04 PM

I'm all over it. It's such a great universe to set stuff in. I'll admit, I've only ever completed Halo 1, but I love tactical games. If these are more tactical, less run and gun, in a sci-fi environment...I'll eat it up.

violent

10-08-2008, 10:04 PM

Smells milky but who knows, it could be great.

Variable Gear

10-08-2008, 10:12 PM

I can't wait. I think that it's cool they have chosen someone other than the Chief to be the main character for once, but it's not like I'm tired of the Spartans. If Bungie would build a narrative about another Spartan, in another time, I would still be interested.

violent

10-08-2008, 10:16 PM

I just saw the trailer and my frustration with the franchise is evident. Gameplay and all it's great especially multi. That fucking story though man, it kills me.

fitbabits

10-08-2008, 10:18 PM

I'm about done with first-person Halo.

Wasson_

10-08-2008, 10:24 PM

...if they tone down their attempts to be all "epic, sweeping and cinematic", yeah it could be good.

violent

10-08-2008, 10:25 PM

...if they tone down their attempts to be all "epic, sweeping and cinematic", yeah it could be good.

I'll tell you, I'm a sucker for that kind of shit. Sweeping, classical overtures and dim lighting? Gives me the vapors. But then I see those cartoonish brutes and I lose my erection.

Deadend

10-08-2008, 10:26 PM

Whoa... so it's a full retail game coming in 2009?

I wouldn't mind if they added some stealth elements to it... or cover system... and tactics... as Marines can't jump 12 feet into the air and get headshots with a sniper rifle.

Xerxes

10-08-2008, 10:38 PM

If it channels this..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Star_Wars_-_Republic_Commando_Coverart.png
It'll be fine.

AgtFox

10-08-2008, 10:40 PM

Thank God they finally gave this a name. I've been holding onto my knowledge of this game since before E3 and the sudden pulling of the announcement.

Wolvie

10-08-2008, 10:48 PM

Well this will be interesting. For once once won't be playing as a super human cyborg. You'll be playing as just one of the marines. Could be a lot harder from that POV.

Wasson_

10-08-2008, 11:47 PM

Deadend

10-09-2008, 12:13 AM

cover systems...

I don't need to hit a button to fucking hide behind a piece of the environment that stops bullets...I can just stand / crouch behind it, as I have in countless games before.

A "cover system" is just a glorified lean function in the third person.

Blind-fire... and it's no fun staring at the shitty texture of the wall. It also does not look close to realistic. A good cover system adds to a game, such as Gears of War and Rainbow Six: Vegas.

Xerxes

10-09-2008, 12:30 AM

Blue

10-09-2008, 12:34 AM

I'm totally in. Loves me some Halo.

Xerxes

10-09-2008, 12:46 AM

Check out the Bungie extended trailer (http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=ournextgame).

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The Iron Weasel

10-09-2008, 12:48 AM

Down like a clown charlie brown. Pummmmped.

Evewalker

10-09-2008, 12:56 AM

I'm impressed. Considering I've been wanting to play as a ODST since Halo 2, I'm looking forward to this quite a bit.

I'm also a fan of tactical shooters, so this is also right up my alley there, as well. Any speculation as to what the multiplayer is going to bring to the table?

Wolvie

10-09-2008, 02:19 AM

*watches video*

Sold. Is it fall 2009 yet?

digitalErich

10-09-2008, 02:26 AM

I'll grab it. I wonder who or what will serve as the narrative "voice" this time; who will be the ODST's Cortana?

itchyeyes

10-09-2008, 07:27 AM

I'll grab it. I wonder who or what will serve as the narrative "voice" this time; who will be the ODST's Cortana?
The trailer definitely implies that there is some sort of AI presence in the game, whoever is watching the videos and then exerting control over the "keep right" sign towards the end.

SilentScreams

10-09-2008, 07:35 AM

Halo can work without the Chief as long as the game is good.
After all, if the other 3 Halo games were crap, nobody would have played them despite being able to play as Master Chief. He isn't what made the games.

biosc1

10-09-2008, 08:53 AM

If it channels this..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Star_Wars_-_Republic_Commando_Coverart.png
It'll be fine.

Blah, don't remind me that they have never made a sequel to one of my favourite all-time games :(

Morangie

10-09-2008, 09:08 AM

The trailer definitely implies that there is some sort of AI presence in the game, whoever is watching the videos and then exerting control over the "keep right" sign towards the end.
Yeah, its your ODST with the Supervisor AI directing you where to go.

AgtFox

10-09-2008, 09:10 AM

Yeah, its your ODST with the Supervisor AI directing you where to go.
Yeah, the Superintendent would be the AI.

diablopath

10-09-2008, 10:13 AM

I'm definitely interested.
Not sold on just that trailer, though.

Widgetcraft

10-09-2008, 10:43 AM

I want to see some gameplay footage before passing judgment. Suffice to say that I won't find it believable that a normal marine could do most of the things that Master Chief did in the previous three games, because the story of the games have made it very clear that he is basically a one-man army. There would certainly have to be some major changes to the gameplay for me to accept it as a solid addition to the Halo franchise.

Wedge

10-09-2008, 10:57 AM

Yes, I want this. I am not a big Halo fan at all, but I recognize Bungie's talent. Maybe this is the game they have wanted to make since Halo 1? I look forward to seeing what Bungie comes up with now that they no longer are a part of Microsoft.

bone_matrix

10-09-2008, 11:07 AM

I can't wait. I love the Halo universe, and playing as someone other than the MC sounds very interesting.

Morangie

10-09-2008, 11:48 AM

Yeah, the Superintendent would be the AI.

Thats what I was thinking of, the Superintendent. Thanks :).

Karak

10-09-2008, 12:08 PM

Yeah, its your ODST with the Supervisor AI directing you where to go.

Did they state that? I didn't see anything of the kind stated. If so cool I just didn't hear or read that.

SPBTooL

10-09-2008, 12:25 PM

If they get rid of all the stupid super jumping everywhere I will give it a try.

Virtual Machine

10-09-2008, 03:17 PM

I was, and still am, a HUGE fan of the original Halo, but 2 and 3 were letdowns for me. This holds great promise - i'm very excited.

Focus on single player - get rid of the high jump.

Karak

10-09-2008, 03:26 PM

I was, and still am, a HUGE fan of the original Halo, but 2 and 3 were letdowns for me. This holds great promise - i'm very excited.

Focus on single player - get rid of the high jump.

Another hater of the high jump eh? I probably hated it at first but grew to like it over time. It's just one of the things that I grew accustomed to.

Variable Gear

10-09-2008, 03:37 PM

Did they state that? I didn't see anything of the kind stated. If so cool I just didn't hear or read that.
It's heavily implied by everything Bungie has released so far, but I don't think anything's official yet.

rinichanraar

10-09-2008, 03:41 PM

I need to see more before I can decide for sure, but it looks fine so far.

(Haha, there's only one vote for bringing Master Chief back.)

Karak

10-09-2008, 03:43 PM

It's heavily implied by everything Bungie has released so far, but I don't think anything's official yet.

Gotcha.
I had read other forums where it was implied that it was a crazy AI trying to kill not lead.
But that's why I was asking. It sounded like fact in a few posts so I was all excited about the prospects.
Looks like a bit more waiting until we found out what it really is.

Karak

10-09-2008, 03:45 PM

I need to see more before I can decide for sure, but it looks fine so far.

(Haha, there's only one vote for bringing Master Chief back.)

...You know I just noticed that. I actually LOVE LOVE Master Chief. I think I voted more out of reflex that marines interested me as something new. NOT in any way a hatred towards the Green Demon. In fact(maybe because of the voice actor) I find him as one of the best characters in a shooter.
And also the books obviously.

rinichanraar

10-09-2008, 04:13 PM

...You know I just noticed that. I actually LOVE LOVE Master Chief. I think I voted more out of reflex that marines interested me as something new. NOT in any way a hatred towards the Green Demon.

Yeah, same here. It's not that I hate Master Chief or anything... it's just that it was already decided that he wouldn't be back, so I didn't expect him to be. (Besides, he's out there somewhere resting with Cortana anyway. :))

Morangie

10-09-2008, 04:18 PM

Did they state that? I didn't see anything of the kind stated. If so cool I just didn't hear or read that.
More implied than stated. The Superintendent AI watches the pod crash, gets annoyed when the feed is cut off by ONI then when the ODST comes out into the street, the huge sign is telling him to keep right when the brutes are moving off to the left.

King3567

10-09-2008, 04:31 PM

I hope the campaign is as long as Halo 3 since they are probably going to charge full price for this. I really hope the campaign sheds light on some events or something. Looking forward to this as Halo 3 was awesome from a gameplay standpoint, but close to abysmal from a narrative one.

Variable Gear

10-09-2008, 08:18 PM

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/10/halo.recon.box.490w.jpg (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/09/halo-3-recon-will-be-a-standalone-includes-new-multiplayer-map/)

Can't wait.

Dark Prince

10-09-2008, 08:22 PM

King3567

10-09-2008, 08:28 PM

I'm pretty excited about this idea actually. Too long have I been through the normal campaign that I've been wanting something new for a long time.

I think it should be fun. I am immensely interested in the multiplayer for this.

You mean the new maps, right? As far as I know, Bungie said there would be no major gameplay changes like a tactical game or something, which kind of makes me sad but I know I will like this.

Dark Prince

10-09-2008, 08:34 PM

You mean the new maps, right? As far as I know, Bungie said there would be no major gameplay changes like a tactical game or something, which kind of makes me sad but I know I will like this.

So, it's just new maps? Damn. And here I was all excited for a new multiplayer experience. Damn...and here I was looking forward to something new on the gameplay scene.

King3567

10-09-2008, 08:39 PM

So, it's just new maps? Damn. And here I was all excited for a new multiplayer experience. Damn...and here I was looking forward to something new on the gameplay scene.

Well, perhaps they will make the campaign slower paced and more tactical if you don't have a shield and a super jump (you shouldn't if your not a spartan). On the multiplayer side, there are six new maps and if they change the campaign, then you can bet that there will probably be a playlist or two that play similarly.

Sirindu

10-09-2008, 10:01 PM

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/10/halo.recon.box.490w.jpg (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/09/halo-3-recon-will-be-a-standalone-includes-new-multiplayer-map/)

Can't wait.

That looks great. I'm excited. A more tactical shooter variation of Halo is just what they needed. And not at all unhappy about MC not being the star of this one. That was tied off nicely enough for me last game and I'm perfectly fine with the franchise moving in totally different directions now.

Zanzibar

10-10-2008, 10:30 AM

The ONE THING I really hope is that the multiplayer maps from this game are able to be copied to your hard drive for use in Halo 3 multiplayer; kinda like how Rock Band 1/2 handles its DLC.

Iron Past

10-10-2008, 11:12 AM

...You know I just noticed that. I actually LOVE LOVE Master Chief. I think I voted more out of reflex that marines interested me as something new. NOT in any way a hatred towards the Green Demon. In fact(maybe because of the voice actor) I find him as one of the best characters in a shooter.
And also the books obviously.

I love him too, but I think we're in the same boat, as right now it's time to branch out to other parts of the Halo Universe. Master Chief will be brought back at some point, but he needs to let others play for a while. :)

The ONE THING I really hope is that the multiplayer maps from this game are able to be copied to your hard drive for use in Halo 3 multiplayer; kinda like how Rock Band 1/2 handles its DLC.

I'm not a Bungie or MS rep, but I would imagine that the multiplayer for this and Halo 3 are one in the same, hence "Recon" being a subtitle of the game and not the actual name. I don't know for sure, though.

itchyeyes

10-10-2008, 11:15 AM

That looks great. I'm excited. A more tactical shooter variation of Halo is just what they needed.
One of the things that I've always thought about Halo was that the games are much more tactical than they appear on the surface and than people give them credit for, especially in the more open areas of the games. I'm really interested to see Bungie embrace their tactical side some more.

itchyeyes

10-10-2008, 11:17 AM

I'm not a Bungie or MS rep, but I would imagine that the multiplayer for this and Halo 3 are one in the same, hence "Recon" being a subtitle of the game and not the actual name. I don't know for sure, though.
I think I read on 1UP that Recon would contain the full H3 multiplayer on the disk, in addition to it's own improvements.

Karak

10-10-2008, 11:49 AM

One of the things that I've always thought about Halo was that the games are much more tactical than they appear on the surface and than people give them credit for, especially in the more open areas of the games. I'm really interested to see Bungie embrace their tactical side some more.
I also played them that way. Though I enjoy playing games against type a bit, I love trying stealth bits on Halo. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't but it is always fun.

The only thing that box art is missing is the "new Hero" tagline.

itchyeyes

10-10-2008, 12:34 PM

The only thing that box art is missing is the "new Hero" tagline.
Yeah, I can see how some people who don't follow this stuff may end up with a bit of an MGS2 experience.

Sirindu

10-10-2008, 01:14 PM

One of the things that I've always thought about Halo was that the games are much more tactical than they appear on the surface and than people give them credit for, especially in the more open areas of the games. I'm really interested to see Bungie embrace their tactical side some more.

I absolutely agree with you. Some people don't seem to realize just how tactical it gets when you get really good and are playing with people of similar skill level.

Yeti2005

10-10-2008, 01:29 PM

Bungie already said this ISN'T a squad game but I think that would have been fun. It seems like it can't possibly be as "run and gun" like the previous games because you won't have Master Chief's shields. I also wonder if we'll see some serious updates to the single player engine (graphics, sound, etc).

Tayaya

10-10-2008, 01:48 PM

A good cover system adds to a game, such as Gears of War and Rainbow Six: Vegas.

Don't forget Uncharted! So it ripped off Gears, but I do like how they gave the character many different "I'm in cover" poses. It made it look a lot more natrual when he was in hiding. It's one of those tiny little subtle touches that 80% of the people that played the game probably didn't even notice, but when you do notice it (or Game Informer has a full page spread of all the different poses), you think "that's really cool."

King3567

10-10-2008, 02:43 PM

Read on 1up that Bungie said that you'll have to pick and choose your battles more, implying that the campaign will indeed be more tactical. I also agree that Halo is more tactical than people give it credit.

Variable Gear

10-10-2008, 02:58 PM

I also agree that Halo is more tactical than people give it credit.
Any game can be tactical. If you put thought into your moves in Halo, you receive a more tactical experience. If you run and gun, you get a more action-focused experience. Both of those strategies highlight two valid ways to play the game.

King3567

10-10-2008, 03:02 PM

Any game can be tactical. If you put thought into your moves in Halo, you receive a more tactical experience. If you run and gun, you get a more action-focused experience. Both of those strategies highlight two valid ways to play the game.

Very true. I happen to play a lot better when I think about what I'm doing though.

Also on 1up, it says the Mythic map pack will be included in the game next fall, but you can download it in early 2009. Halo 3 Recon will also have its own achievements worth 1000 points. That means Halo 3 will have 2750 total achievement points :D

Variable Gear

10-10-2008, 03:06 PM

That means Halo 3 will have 2750 total achievement points :D
That is fucking ridiculous. I wish Microsoft would have supported Crackdown this well. :(

Xerxes

10-10-2008, 03:36 PM

Zanzibar

10-10-2008, 03:56 PM

Grab 3 friends for a 4-player co-op experience, and it becomes the squad game you're asking for ;)

Xerxes

10-10-2008, 06:08 PM

Grab 3 friends for a 4-player co-op experience, and it becomes the squad game you're asking for ;)

Yeah I doubt they re-work Halo 3's engine to remove co-op. But it's probably not even built for it.

King3567

10-10-2008, 07:08 PM

Yeah I doubt they re-work Halo 3's engine to remove co-op. But it's probably not even built for it.

Maybe, just maybe, they will have two seperate campaigns: one for single and one for co-op ala Resistance 2 for just this reason...

One can dream :rolleyes:

Kryopsis

10-10-2008, 08:31 PM

Yeah I doubt they re-work Halo 3's engine to remove co-op. But it's probably not even built for it.

Ever-growing community options: Enjoy all the great Halo 3 technological innovations, including Saved Films, screenshots, Campaign Scoring, and four-player co-op. All of the new multiplayer maps fully support the Forge editor, offering endless gameplay customization possibilities.
[source] (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2008/1008-reconpreview.htm)

Will this be priced as a full game or as an expansion? I understand that the 'Halo 3' text in the title is an obvious capitalization on the franchise and all but it is both confusing and annoying. Hopefully the game will be worth playing: Halo without Master Chief could actually be an engaging single-player experience if Bungie does it right. A new, more vulnerable character, an urban environment and an emphasis on stealth could redeem the franchise in my eyes. It is not even arguable that the single-player campaign was the weakest element of the Halo 3 package.

Also, hopefully this is a good enough excuse to bring back Mountain Dew: Gamer Fuel. I love that stuff.

Variable Gear

10-10-2008, 08:48 PM

I'm think that it's going to be a full-price game.

EternalGamer

10-10-2008, 08:57 PM

I think the change of the title character, even if it effects the gameplay in some minor way, is largely insubstantial to me.

What I want to know is whether or not they have new GAMEPLAY ideas and new level design with unique scenarios. The Halo trilogy was very solid technically, but had minimal gameplay evolution. I couldn't believe when Halo 3 ended the SAME way as Halo 1 and the only new idea in the entire game was the fighting the Scarabs. They need more stuff like that--levels that introduce new gameplay concepts.

Xerxes

10-10-2008, 11:13 PM

[source] (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2008/1008-reconpreview.htm)

Will this be priced as a full game or as an expansion? I understand that the 'Halo 3' text in the title is an obvious capitalization on the franchise and all but it is both confusing and annoying. Hopefully the game will be worth playing: Halo without Master Chief could actually be an engaging single-player experience if Bungie does it right. A new, more vulnerable character, an urban environment and an emphasis on stealth could redeem the franchise in my eyes. It is not even arguable that the single-player campaign was the weakest element of the Halo 3 package.

Also, hopefully this is a good enough excuse to bring back Mountain Dew: Gamer Fuel. I love that stuff.

Sweet. I actually only have 2 friends who get their panties in a bunch to play with me.

DeathtollWRX

10-10-2008, 11:44 PM

First let me say that I am sold. I as much a Halo fan as anybody here, even Wolvie.

Now, first of all the ODST better not automatically heal like the MC or every game that copied Halo (see call of Duties,Rainbow 6 Vegas,Gears and every first person shooter afterwards). He better find medics or heal packs or something!

I'd like to still see melee but maybe just to stun your opponent..

Could we be looking at a game that might play more like Rainbow 6 (the original PC versions not the arcadey console versions we know play)

Either way I have complete faith in Bungie... oh and the music on the trailer was THE SAUCE!

bean

10-11-2008, 12:38 AM

As long as there is more to this than simply Halo. . . but no regenerating shield, I think it could be great.

danielOut

10-11-2008, 01:34 AM

Most importantly, GamerFuel was absolute shit-in-a-can. They gave it away at my local GameStop for the midnight launch of Halo3, and it was universally hate in my section of the line.

Second, this is exactly what I wanted. A chance to get away from the SPARTAN storyline and expand on the lore of your created universe. If you have read the books, you know there is a whole lot that is never touched in the campaigns. The Marathon series proves that Bungie knows how to blend lore and gameplay; those games added a lot with their terminals and "rampant AI" stories. The HALO games seem so bland in comparison, though I can see them trying to reach their roots with the terminals in H3. Still, they need to make drastic changes in the way that they present lore and story to make this a real innovation over the other HALO games. If anyone has the job security to do this sort of thing it is Bungie, so I hope they improve on their past releases.

TheEvilNarwhale

10-11-2008, 02:11 AM

I am excited for this. I am stoked for expanded story line. I think additional perspectives are going to be a great way to do this. Just being a regular (are odst regular?) solidier in the fight is going be a huge departure.