Fallout 3 - Reviews [Archive]

Wedge

10-07-2008, 07:29 PM

The reviews are starting to show up. No Mutants Allowed (http://www.nma-fallout.com/) (who else?) has the scoops. Review 1 (http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=45443) & review 2 (http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=45407). Scores 81% & 93%. One review says it is Oblivion with guns, the other says it is not Oblivion with guns.

Go have a read and come back for some tasty discussion.

Xerxes

10-07-2008, 07:33 PM

It's would have been funny if it was like this...

"It is Oblivion with guns" - 81%
"It is Oblivion with guns" - 93%

Blue

10-07-2008, 07:37 PM

Honestly, it could be Oblivion with stern dialogue and I'd still buy it. It's Fallout. Can't wait.

Wedge

10-07-2008, 07:42 PM

It ain't Fallout if you can't shoot a rat in the groin with a shotgun.

Sandman

10-07-2008, 07:52 PM

It could be a piece of paper with the word Bethesda written on it and I'd still buy it.

Wedge

10-07-2008, 08:00 PM

Me? I love Fallout and dislike Bethesda, so I'm torn. The game is pre-ordered and paid for, and it looks like I won't cancel the order. Still torn something fierce though.

JRR006

10-07-2008, 08:00 PM

It could be a piece of paper with the word Bethesda written on it and I'd still buy it.

I hate to admit it, but that's pretty much me too. Oblivion with guns is nothing like the Fallout I played, but I've never been one of the faithful, so it won't bother me.

AgtFox

10-07-2008, 08:03 PM

You guys mind if this gets moved to General Gaming? I think multi-platform releases are best talked about over there. Let me know.

tacitus

10-07-2008, 08:08 PM

"oblivion with guns" - nothing wrong with that. The only thing that would disappoint me is that a SDK for "fallout 3" is not eventually released. I loved oblivion (even with its flaws) and I loved it even more when I started playing with mods. Of all the games I have ever bought I probably spent more hours playing oblivion than any other game.

Vandabo

10-07-2008, 08:10 PM

I think it is so funny how "Oblivion with guns" has become a four letter word.

When I first played Morrowind, I remember thinking: "Somebody needs to use this engine to make a Fallout game", now they've gone and done that with the sequel, and I am looking forward to it.

To me, Fallout was an RPG that didn't involve fantasy or far flung science fiction. There was no magic or anything. It was just gritty realism with great dialogue. I'm looking forward to something like that in 3D.

Wedge

10-07-2008, 08:14 PM

You guys mind if this gets moved to General Gaming? I think multi-platform releases are best talked about over there. Let me know.

Please do. Forgot we got a general gaming sub-forum over here. Old habits and all that :)

Victorvonviolence

10-07-2008, 08:14 PM

I just hope its like morrowind and not like Oblivion.

From the screenshots I am hopeful.

crazyD

10-07-2008, 08:17 PM

"oblivion with guns" - nothing wrong with that.

I disagree. Oblivion was big, bland, and boring. Ugly characters with poor animations giving you shitty meaningless quests. A world that doesn't give you any incentive to explore, or level up. Not to mention the fact that it was completely broken. I really hope Bethesda learned their lessons from that crap game, but I doubt it.

JayK47

10-07-2008, 08:19 PM

Oh yeah, so far so good. I consider Fallout 3 to be my official game I give a damn about this season. I care about other games, but this is THE game.

KingGorilla

10-07-2008, 09:36 PM

I hate No Mutants Allowed. They refused to take my link bait for my Fallout Review over at IM when I closed with "Fuck Fallout!"

pomeroy

10-07-2008, 09:38 PM

Ok...so it doesn't suck out loud. I already knew that.

Need more data.

King3567

10-07-2008, 09:43 PM

Still torn on this. It will have to impress me greatly for me to even consider a purchase. Damn this fall...

KingGorilla

10-07-2008, 09:45 PM

Still torn on this. It will have to impress me greatly for me to even consider a purchase. Damn this fall...

For me it is that the SDK may or may not be released for this game, ever. The prospect of no mods AND having to pay for a lot of the shit Bethesda sells as addistional content is not savory to me.

Heretic Machine

10-07-2008, 11:26 PM

Maskatron

10-07-2008, 11:47 PM

I'm shocked that NMA gave such high scores for this, after they've been treating it like it would be the second coming of AIDS. It gives me pretty high hopes for it now.

edit: DOH - upon further reading the actual link I guess NMA didn't do the reviews.

Kielaran

10-08-2008, 06:10 AM

Cinematographic references or completely twisted conversations with NPCs are gone.Lame. Sounds like they lost a lot of the flavor that was the main appeal of the last game. I'm still buying it, but that's one of the few things I didn't want changed.

Playing it at PAX, I found some of the dialogue options I saw, which was in a limited timeframe, hilarious. Also, after playing it I knew that I would be buying it. It felt smooth, looked amazing, and from the demo they did, it will have no lack of humor or awe-inspiring moments. Plus, putting live grenades into other people's pockets while pickpocketing is pure win.

Lithium Flower

10-08-2008, 06:50 AM

I've really been waiting for this game for a whole year now and I hope I'm not disappointed. I've heard so many good things about the Fallout series. I have high expectations but I'm not sure an Oblivion with Guns is what I want to see from this game. I really enjoyed Oblivion because of the open world, the mods and the freedom to just loiter around not doing anything, in other words I enjoyed the engine a lot but the story side was very bland and uninspired. There was hardly anything to it. And I really really hope Fallout 3 won't be like that. I hope they won't sanitise it too much, that would be disappointing. I've heard Fallout 2 was gritty and visceral and I want to experience that on a new engine.

When does it hit the stores exactly?

Kielaran

10-08-2008, 08:21 AM

When does it hit the stores exactly?

October 28th

tacitus

10-08-2008, 09:33 AM

Its interesting that the French version of PC Gamer (I presume) has a lot of English on their web page and their covers - apparently the names of games often do not get translated to local language.

Telefrog

10-08-2008, 12:37 PM

Day one for me regardless of the "Oblivion with guns" attacks. I really don't think it will play that way, at least not with the bit I played at PAX.

Morangie

10-08-2008, 02:14 PM

If its Fallout 3, I'll love the game.

If its Oblivion with guns in a post apocalyptic setting, I'll still love the game.

I can't lose!

QueQueg

10-08-2008, 02:17 PM

This is one of the titles that I will buy and play regardless of reviews. Other fine examples, MGS4, GTA4, Spore, etc.

Aside from that... Oblivion with guns sounds awesome.

Young Al Capone

10-08-2008, 02:25 PM

Sounds exactly like what I was starting to worry it would be like.

I have no doubt that it will have plenty of fans, and I will still check it out sometime down the line, but I have no issues with skipping it in favor of FarCry 2 this year.

Spacetronaut

10-08-2008, 03:11 PM

I was on the fence about this game until I saw the trailer with the mission to set off a nuke and kill possibly thousands of people for no good reason. It turns out mass murder is real selling point with me.

Wedge

10-08-2008, 05:46 PM

The game has gone gold.

Pleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegood...

Superman's Dead

10-08-2008, 06:58 PM

I read some preview where they talked about the target-selection combat system, and messing up someone with a baseball bat in slow motion after choosing all the attacks and hitting play.

If Oblivion had anything like that at all, I would've had to drop out of school to worship dark gods. I'm psyched for this game.

KingGorilla

10-08-2008, 07:04 PM

Oh, you mean how they have implemented the VAT system? Yeah, I dig that too.

Bone

10-08-2008, 07:47 PM

Yep, at PAX I watched someone queue up a leg shot, torso shot, and two head shots with the VAT system. I liked seeing the hit percentages for each shot, giving you a chance to go conservative for a couple of shots and throw in a long shot at the end.

KingGorilla

10-08-2008, 07:49 PM

I have to wonder if that was just in there as a bone to the NMA types.

Bone

10-08-2008, 07:54 PM

It makes sense though, really a perfect blend of RPG and FPS. You can ignore it of course and shoot your gun in real time if you want.

Telefrog

10-08-2008, 08:29 PM

I have to wonder if that was just in there as a bone to the NMA types.

It looked like a pretty integral part of the gameplay to me.

inmostlight

10-08-2008, 09:30 PM

Lame. Sounds like they lost a lot of the flavor that was the main appeal of the last game. I'm still buying it, but that's one of the few things I didn't want changed.

I wonder how much is from the foreign translations (and then translated reviews)? Cinematic/literature references and twisted conversations were definitely in the game when I played it.

Kielaran

10-08-2008, 10:28 PM

You can ignore it of course and shoot your gun in real time if you want.

When I played it at PAX. That was the first thing I did. The movement and aiming felt right. I forsee myself using VATS as more ov a function to help assess my situation as opposed to having to rely on it in any way.

Deadend

10-09-2008, 12:34 AM

I think VATs will be used more or less depending on the player and their current situation.

If I have a gun with only a few shots and I lack the time to make sure I can manually aim for a headsot (can you get headshots manually)? I would use VAT to get a quick couple headshots before switching to melee, as I am assuming that ammo will be sparse in the early game and VATs looks good for ammo conserving.

J Arcane

10-09-2008, 01:39 AM

I'm all for Fallout 3. I was skeptical at first, as my only Bethsoft experience was Morrowind, which I hated for it's obscene crypticness, and Oblivion's main story line, which was shitfuckingly awful, nothing but hours of the same goddamn dungeon over and over again interspersed with Sean Bean being a whiny bitch.

Then I played the Age of Apocalypse mod, and realized "You know what, this has some fucking potential". Then I went back and played Oblivion again, but completely ignored the main storyline entirely at the first opportunity and had a fucking blast.

At this point, while I'm still holding out hope of some kind of continuation of the proper Fallout game and system, I'm still looking forward to this because frankly "Oblivion with guns" is hardly an insult in my book, if anything, it's a sales pitch, and a fine one.

Wedge

10-09-2008, 05:39 AM

When I played it at PAX. That was the first thing I did. The movement and aiming felt right. I forsee myself using VATS as more ov a function to help assess my situation as opposed to having to rely on it in any way.

Which platform did you play it on?

Kielaran

10-09-2008, 06:08 AM

I would use VAT to get a quick couple headshots before switching to melee, as I am assuming that ammo will be sparse in the early game and VATs looks good for ammo conserving.

QFT. I saw someone find a rifle with around 4 shots in it and they ended up getting 4 headshots (a lot of it in part because it was a rifle and can accurately hit at range) with VATS. My only issue with the system was the grenade throws looked bad using VATS. They seemed inaccurate and not really taking into accound scenery which the nade could bounce off of.

Which platform did you play it on?

360. I am somewhat picky about how my FPSs play and it felt damn comfortable. As a reference, I love the way COD4 feels, so it was comfortable using the skill from that.

Grifter

10-09-2008, 06:11 AM

Which platform did you play it on?

I believe all the displays were running on the 360.

This is my game of the year, if I could only play one game in the next 12 months it would be this. I'm normally pretty damn patient but this game cannot come soon enough.

Wedge

10-09-2008, 06:14 AM

360. I am somewhat picky about how my FPSs play and it felt damn comfortable. As a reference, I love the way COD4 feels, so it was comfortable using the skill from that.

Exxxellent. I am the same way (being picky. Many developers fail to properly adjust FPS controls to consoles). Great news for me. Thanks!

Ancalagon

10-09-2008, 06:18 AM

How RPG-ey is it? I mean, how much character development is there?

Grifter

10-09-2008, 06:20 AM

QFT. I saw someone find a rifle with around 4 shots in it and they ended up getting 4 headshots (a lot of it in part because it was a rifle and can accurately hit at range) with VATS. My only issue with the system was the grenade throws looked bad using VATS. They seemed inaccurate and not really taking into accound scenery which the nade could bounce off of.

I'm sure you guys realize this but just in case, the stats in the demo we played/saw were all jacked up super high so all those headshots and crits we were seeing wont be nearly as common.

Now that I think about it the one thing that I believe Bethesda wont be able to duplicate from FO1 and FO2 is that constant sense of danger, that feeling that some unstable addict with a gun can go nuts at any point and crit you. Walking down the streets of New Reno in FO2, getting that urge to save every few steps because I could be taken out at any second was an awesome feeling and one few games are ever able to duplicate.

How RPG-ey is it? I mean, how much character development is there?

Have you ever played a Bethesda game before?

Ancalagon

10-09-2008, 06:24 AM

Have you ever played a Bethesda game before?

I played Oblivion for a few hours before I got bored.

Grifter

10-09-2008, 06:47 AM

I played Oblivion for a few hours before I got bored.

You may want to stay away from this then and I'm sure the character development will be similar to Oblivion except this will be using a more traditional experience point based level up system.

Crowe

10-09-2008, 07:05 AM

Then I played the Age of Apocalypse mod, and realized "You know what, this has some fucking potential". Then I went back and played Oblivion again, but completely ignored the main storyline entirely at the first opportunity and had a fucking blast.

Glad you went back and had a second crack. Oblivion is so much fun when you just do your own thing. Whether it be hitting dungeons, never sticking to the same quest tree for too long.

It's a pity you hated Morrowind, the game is seriously epic. Its overwhelming when you first get off the boat and it took me several restarts before I got into the groove. But having a Wizard fall out of the sky and then trundling off to see Caius Cosades in Balmara will be a gaming memory that stays with me for a long long time. Classic stuff!.

Slack3r78

10-09-2008, 08:04 AM

I'll be picking it up, but I'm not expecting it to be on par with the first two games until it's proven otherwise. Bethesda puts together absolutely amazing technology, and then tends to pair it with completely uninspired fiction.

Really, the main thing I'm hopeful about is that getting them out of that boring McFantasy dreck that is the Elder Scrolls universe might actually get some interesting writing into the game.

SilentScreams

10-09-2008, 08:39 AM

I'd pay for Oblivion with guns, so Fallout 3 is a no-brainer for me if that's the case.
However, I didn't like the first 2 Fallouts, so if it's like those, I'm less interested.

tacitus

10-09-2008, 08:53 AM

Then I played the Age of Apocalypse mod, and realized "You know what, this has some fucking potential". Then I went back and played Oblivion again, but completely ignored the main storyline entirely at the first opportunity and had a fucking blast.

I will have to try Age of Apocalypse mod.

Truth be told - I played Oblivion a lot; however, I never did finish the main quest. I enjoyed all the other quest lines, except for the fact that they were mainly a single thread with only one real outcome. I played mainly with Martigens Monster Mod as the main mod and a lot of other little mods. I will be very disappointed if the SDK is not released.

Bone

10-09-2008, 09:31 AM

I'm sure you guys realize this but just in case, the stats in the demo we played/saw were all jacked up super high so all those headshots and crits we were seeing wont be nearly as common. It's true. I'm glad they did, because the time we had with the demo would have been frustrating if it was spent trying to grind a weak character up a level. That's for me to do at home :)

Now that I think about it the one thing that I believe Bethesda wont be able to duplicate from FO1 and FO2 is that constant sense of danger, that feeling that some unstable addict with a gun can go nuts at any point and crit you. Walking down the streets of New Reno in FO2, getting that urge to save every few steps because I could be taken out at any second was an awesome feeling and one few games are ever able to duplicate.
Actually, I did have this feeling. You were technically in a city (well, a village) and all of a sudden these mutant crab things started attacking. You get the sense that topside civilization is barely hanging on.

Jackel

10-09-2008, 11:24 AM

This is a must buy for me. While I have never played Oblivion, I was able to see this at PAX and it looked amazing. Hearing what everyone said about it each night made me want it even more, and if it wasn't for getting stuck at the back of a very long line, I probably would have seen the conference on it / gotten to play it.

My only hesitation is I might wait and see what happens to it regarding digital distribution. I remember reading somewhere that the dev's are looking into the different online prospects...and I would relish the chance to pick this up on Steam.

CptTripps

10-09-2008, 11:29 AM

From the videos I've seen I can honestly say it seems nothing like Oblivion. Why you ask? Because the animations are not some of the worst in the market. I loved oblivion but fuck I hated the way I looked when moving\running\jumping.

crazyD

10-09-2008, 11:45 AM

My only hesitation is I might wait and see what happens to it regarding digital distribution. I remember reading somewhere that the dev's are looking into the different online prospects...and I would relish the chance to pick this up on Steam.

You know, I would also love to have it on Steam, but I need the collector's edition with the bobblehead, lunchbox, etc.

Kielaran

10-09-2008, 12:09 PM

It's true. I'm glad they did, because the time we had with the demo would have been frustrating if it was spent trying to grind a weak character up a level. That's for me to do at home :)

Really? Well they had fooled me. It was the whole, leave the vault and ding to lvl 2, then allocate your points (though thinking now, there were some fairly high numbers on the stats page for being lvl 2).

Anyway the VATS targeting gives you percentages of hitting the target, so you will know your chances either way. I really hope in some point in the game you have to take someone alive, because no matter how much fun it was to shoot someone in the arm or leg, it just doesn't seem practical unless therewas a reason.

Tayaya

10-09-2008, 12:33 PM

Bone

10-09-2008, 12:58 PM

Really? Well they had fooled me. It was the whole, leave the vault and ding to lvl 2, then allocate your points (though thinking now, there were some fairly high numbers on the stats page for being lvl 2).
From what I saw, there were a few different saved games being played. One person I saw started in the vault, like you said. Others were at a more advanced part of the story. Others still were allowed to continue the game from where the last person in line left off. I never was patient enough to wait all the way, even though I stood in line two times for about an hour each :(

Well, the leak's out. If that's your thing you could be playing it RIGHT NOW!

I don't have a way to play 360 games downloaded from the Intertron, plus I like not being banned from XBOX Live, so... I'm waiting for retail release day, but I have to admit it's tempting...I'm not sure I'd share this info, yarrr.

Wedge

10-09-2008, 01:34 PM

Well, the leak's out. If that's your thing you could be playing it RIGHT NOW!

I don't have a way to play 360 games downloaded from the Intertron, plus I like not being banned from XBOX Live, so... I'm waiting for retail release day, but I have to admit it's tempting...

Yup, a guy on my friends list was just playing it while online. He's offline now, and I will observe to see how swift Microsoft's justice will be.

I wrote him a message. He said it was:
awesome!!!

Tayaya

10-09-2008, 03:24 PM

I'm not sure I'd share this info, yarrr.

There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that there is a leaked copy of the game out there on the intertubes. I didn't say where you could get it or anything like that. Don't think that's a bannable offense. Just a statement of fact!

Bone

10-09-2008, 04:51 PM

inmostlight

10-09-2008, 05:23 PM

Actually, I did have this feeling. You were technically in a city (well, a village) and all of a sudden these mutant crab things started attacking. You get the sense that topside civilization is barely hanging on.

I had that feeling of constant danger, too, especially since it doesn't have the monster scaling that Oblivion did. I don't think I got too far from Tenpenny Tower before accidentally stumbling into a massive raider trap (very awesome, too, I should have been more aware of the now-obvious ambush signs), barely surviving, and then finding a goddamn nest of super mutants led by a behemoth. I believe I was level three at the time and got pounded into a red stain on the rocks.

I was able to reload to an earlier save and avoid that area, but still lost my trusty companion in the process. :(

God I can't wait to go back and play for real.

Draggnknucks

10-09-2008, 05:25 PM

I don't think any reviews could turn me off of this game, I want it so bad...

jeffbax

10-09-2008, 06:08 PM

Already preordered this sucker... the only game I'll pre order this year besides little big planet.

crazyD

10-09-2008, 06:15 PM

I pre-ordered, but only so I could get the cool Nuka Cola bottle opener from Best Buy. I never pre-order unless something cool comes with it. Last time I pre-ordered anything was... Resi Outbreak? Didn't even get the game, just wanted the cool metal water bottle and SARS mask.

Tayaya

10-09-2008, 07:25 PM

Yeah, I didn't even mention banning, as I have nothing to do with that kind of thing. Just a general comment: pointing out the fact that you noticed a new pirated game and that you were tempted to download it- this may not make you a lot of friends around here. And I mean that in the friendliest way possible.

Not sure what you mean exactly, but whatever you say. You obviously haven't seen my game library, over 500 titles strong, of non-pirated, legit, some overpriced collecter's edition games. I'm the last person on earth that would pirate a piece of software. Hell, I still pay for my PC games, which most people I know do not. If there ever was someone on an internet forum that believes in supporting the industry that we love so much, that would be me.

Jackel

10-09-2008, 11:11 PM

Not sure what you mean exactly, but whatever you say. You obviously haven't seen my game library, over 500 titles strong, of non-pirated, legit, some overpriced collecter's edition games. I'm the last person on earth that would pirate a piece of software. Hell, I still pay for my PC games, which most people I know do not. If there ever was someone on an internet forum that believes in supporting the industry that we love so much, that would be me.

Lol...and is your e-peens 25" long too?

Virtual Machine

10-09-2008, 11:34 PM

After 90 minutes:

Solid 8.5 or 9 out of 10, and definite contender for Game of the Year.

AgtFox

10-09-2008, 11:51 PM

After 90 minutes:

Solid 8.5 or 9 out of 10, and definite contender for Game of the Year.
Let's hold off on giving opinions on a game that hasn't even been released to the public yet. I'd rather people not be giving opinions on a game they may have pirated, people frown upon that. Also explains how you've been playing Saints Row 2 though.

Virtual Machine

10-09-2008, 11:56 PM

Fair enough.

Though for the record, and not to come off like a complete douchebag - Every game that stays in my collection is a retail copy, and i've had this particular title pre-paid for over three months now.

DeathtollWRX

10-10-2008, 12:08 AM

Damn, couldn't the just make it Fallout ... you know turn based? That's why we all loved it because it was turn based and had a great strategic element.. please see..

Military Madness
Warsong
Xcom UFO defense

Whelp, it's a good thing I really like Oblivion and Morrowind as well.. But I would have preferred another Fallout game and not another Oblivion game..

I'll probably still love it though..

Heretic Machine

10-10-2008, 03:27 AM

Damn, couldn't the just make it Fallout ... you know turn based? That's why we all loved it because it was turn based and had a great strategic element.. please see..

That's not why I loved it, FYI. In fact, I look forward to the updated mechanics. I hated how clunky everything was in Fallout, and frankly, I derive no inherent pleasure from turn-based combat in a game where I have little interest in most combat engagements.

torrefaction

10-10-2008, 03:25 PM