Square takeover of Eidos given green light...

[total]

Looks (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/square-takeover-of-eidos-given-green-light) like it is basically a done deal. Lara Croft and Hitman in Kingdom Hearts?

[Purple Santa]

Not sure how I feel about this.

[Xydarc]

My dream of a Lara Croft JRPG can finally come true!

[Shadowstorm]

Are you serious?

That sucks.

[Smoof]

Let's hope they don't turn Hitman into some Japanese anime retardo-fest.

[Deadend]

Let's hope they don't turn Hitman into some Japanese anime retardo-fest.

In Hitman: Hearts of Shadow. You have to assassinate people possessed by demons. 47 also has a full head of silver-blue hair, and can say "...". After you take out the target, you now get a victory song and animation.

[total]

I thought this would be a bigger deal. Seems pretty dead around here today.

[Superman's Dead]

I thought this would be a bigger deal. Seems pretty dead around here today.

I dunno...what is there to say, really? The obligatory jRPG jokes have been made (the one I was going to make about Mickey Mouse having a barcode on his neck aside)...it will be quiet hope and fear from now on, I think.

[Xydarc]

In Hitman: Hearts of Shadow. You have to assassinate people possessed by demons. 47 also has a full head of silver-blue hair, and can say "...". After you take out the target, you now get a victory song and animation.
Where can I pre-order?:cool:

[TheFlyingOrc]

Om Nom Nom - Square, 2009.

[Press Ninja]

Where can I pre-order?:cool:

Gamestop of course! With the pre-order, you get your very own Agent blow up doll!

[total]

Does Eidos still own the Deus EX IP or did Ion Storm own that one?

[destoo]

Eidos has Deus Ex. And the Thief franchise, too. (their special secret project)

I knew I should have given my resume to Stephane..
So now it's Sqare Enix Eidos.

[Narradisall]

Someone needs to shop Lara Croft with HUGE SPIKY HAIR A HUGE SWORD AND MAKING OVERDRAMATIC GESTURES BEFORE HER PONYTAIL TURNS INTO A MOTORCYCLE WHICH SHE THEN FLYS OFF ON.

Don't get me wrong, I love Square games, but they aren't mostly meant to be grounded. Which is why we love those wacky people.

[ShivaX]

Someone needs to shop Lara Croft with HUGE SPIKY HAIR A HUGE SWORD AND MAKING OVERDRAMATIC GESTURES BEFORE HER PONYTAIL TURNS INTO A MOTORCYCLE WHICH SHE THEN FLYS OFF ON.

Don't get me wrong, I love Square games, but they aren't mostly meant to be grounded. Which is why we love those wacky people.

Lara Croft already looks like Tifa. Hell they even dress similar.
The spikey hair thing is generally reserved for males anyway. Blond, androgynous males.

[Stmfuller]

Looks (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/square-takeover-of-eidos-given-green-light) like it is basically a done deal. Lara Croft and Hitman in Kingdom Hearts?
I guess that means Lara Croft will be ditching the new makeover.
Aren't all those wacky Asians into super big boobies and school girl outfits?
Sounds like an upgrade to me :D

[Xerxes]

A Legacy of Kain jrpg. ^_^

[KamaItachi]

I'm not that happy with the purchase, since it just means we're going to have another conglomerate in charge of a large number of IPs.

Other than that, I don't see SE interfering too much with the standard IPs since the whole reason for the acquisition, as far as I was aware, was to get more of a Western feel to their development.

[Xerxes]

I'm not that happy with the purchase, since it just means we're going to have another conglomerate in charge of a large number of IPs.

Eidos probably only had a few more years if they didn't hit the jackpot. And I think I read SE say what you said. They just want a foot into western development. Kojima revamps his studio after visiting a few western studios. SE just buys a company. Didn't they offer more to Tecmo? Seems like they just want to buy something. Get out of FF games.

[Thanasimos]

Squinox

Squinox...

I could get used to that.

[CES]

Eidos probably only had a few more years if they didn't hit the jackpot. And I think I read SE say what you said. They just want a foot into western development. Kojima revamps his studio after visiting a few western studios. SE just buys a company. Didn't they offer more to Tecmo? Seems like they just want to buy something. Get out of FF games.

Perhaps the jRPG market isn't very sustainable in the HD-era. High budgets, high production values, narrow target demographic. Either that or they've clued into the fact that most western gamers like their games a bit more shooty than normal.

[EternalGamer]

Alright Square, it is time to ressurect Legacy of Kain with a great epic adventure game. But you guys have to go hire Amy Henning back first because she could write a script and you guys are shit at it.

[Shjinta]

In Hitman: Hearts of Shadow. You have to assassinate people possessed by demons. 47 also has a full head of silver-blue hair, and can say "...". After you take out the target, you now get a victory song and animation.

Ahhh christ that's not even funny :(

[Purple Santa]

My dream of a Lara Croft JRPG can finally come true!
Keep those dreams to yourself! :p

A Legacy of Kain jrpg. ^_^

Alright Square, it is time to ressurect Legacy of Kain with a great epic adventure game. But you guys have to go hire Amy Henning back first because she could write a script and you guys are shit at it.

I'd buy that game!

[Xerxes]

Alright Square, it is time to ressurect Legacy of Kain with a great epic adventure game. But you guys have to go hire Amy Henning back first because she could write a script and you guys are shit at it.

They could probably hire Silicon Knights to do it. Denis is probably cheaper now.

[H.Bogard]

A Legacy of Kain jrpg. ^_^

I hate you.

Oh, and no more Amy Hennig, because she's working at Naughty Dog now.
Unless they can manage to bring her in as a consultant for the story/lore and everything.

[Xerxes]

I hate you.
I'd almost play a Legacy of Card game if they had it.

[Squidbot]

Fuck Square Enix, I hate JRPGs. I hate Final Fantasy. I hate Kingdom Hearts. All that crap. Yes, I know I suck, boo to me.

Buy Eidos, fine, throw some money at the dev teams that know the titles and leave it at that PLEASE!!

[Xerxes]

Throw money at Eidos for what? To burn?

[Krispy]

To make Hitman. I love those games.

[EternalGamer]

Fuck Square Enix, I hate JRPGs. I hate Final Fantasy. I hate Kingdom Hearts. All that crap. Yes, I know I suck, boo to me.

Buy Eidos, fine, throw some money at the dev teams that know the titles and leave it at that PLEASE!!

I don't for a second imagined they bought them so they could just acquire the licenses and make JRPG versions of Hitman or Tomb Raider. What the fuck would Square want with the IP alone? Their teams have more popular IPs than they have the resources to manage as it is.

No, they clearly want them for publishing Western titles, something some of the higher ups at Square have been talking about recently (perhaps this is part of what they were hinting at with discussions of "Catering to a Western Audience"). Square is just starting to branch out in the same way EA did when it went from Sports Game Company 'to "We own Fuck all Everything" or Activision did when it went from "We make crappy Atari Rip offs to "OMG Tony Hawk made us rich" to "We own Fuck all everything just like those EA guys."

Isn't their room in your heart for one more Mega-Gaming Corporation that lacks a distinct brand identity?

[Smoof]

Fuck Square Enix, I hate JRPGs. I hate Final Fantasy. I hate Kingdom Hearts. All that crap.

Amen. The majority of Japanese games are complete garbage.

[Xerxes]

Amen. The majority of Japanese games are complete garbage.

:confused: Just wow.

[Xydarc]

Wow, the Japanese hate is disturbing. I guess some gamers just hate fun.

Say what you will, but most Squeenix games have great designs and production values. Marry that with Western technical know-how and I can see some great games coming out of this deal.

[Banacek]

Alright Square, it is time to ressurect Legacy of Kain with a great epic adventure game. But you guys have to go hire Amy Henning back first because she could write a script and you guys are shit at it.

I agree with this 100%. Please get Amy back and give me another Legacy of Kain game!

[jeffbax]

I'd love an epic Legacy of Kain game, but after the Last Remnant... I'm not sure how I feel about non-Final Fantasy square games.

[Kelegacy]

Amen. The majority of Japanese games are complete garbage.

Did you start gaming just recently or something?

[Smoof]

Did you start gaming just recently or something?

Nope. I've been gaming since the Atari days. Moved on to NES, then Genesis, then became a PC gamer. I have a Wii and a DS. I find the majority of Japanese games that I've played are just complete trash. I hate the story, I hate the art, I hate the linear as fuck gameplay, I hate the characters, etc, etc. Japanese games, with the exception of a few, are shit in my mind. They're painfully boring.

[Kelegacy]

Nope. I've been gaming since the Atari days. Moved on to NES, then Genesis, then became a PC gamer. I have a Wii and a DS. I find the majority of Japanese games that I've played are just complete trash. I hate the story, I hate the art, I hate the linear as fuck gameplay, I hate the characters, etc, etc. Japanese games, with the exception of a few, are shit in my mind. They're painfully boring.

So, even Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil...do you lump them into the shitty Japanese games group? Japanese games have shaped the way we play games today, especially console gamers. I can see people not liking JRPGs, but Japanese games are among the best in the medium. Even if we tossed modern games out the window, the classics are overwhelmingly Japanese in origin.

I think you're stereotyping Japanese videogames quite severely. That's why I asked you if you've played many games before, because I doubt most people would describe Japanese games in the same manner as you have.

[Banacek]

If you hate Japanese gaming what exactly did you play on the NES?

[Smoof]

So, even Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil...do you lump them into the shitty Japanese games group? Japanese games have shaped the way we play games today, especially console gamers. I can see people not liking JRPGs, but Japanese games are among the best in the medium. Even if we tossed modern games out the window, the classics are overwhelmingly Japanese in origin.

I think you're stereotyping Japanese videogames quite severely. That's why I asked you if you've played many games before, because I doubt most people would describe Japanese games in the same manner as you have.

I hate the Resident Evil series. I find them incredibly boring and the gameplay mechanics are utter shit. Dead Rising is amusing (playing it on Wii), but awfully limited and still clings to Resident Evil conventions (at least the Wii version does). I hate DMC, never played Lost Planet, Zelda beyond the very first game is overrated garbage.

I don't really consider too many console games "classics" outside of a select few, such as Zelda. Mario Brothers or Sonic. After the Genesis...hell, even before the Genesis, I had been playing PC games. I grew up with that. Maybe it's just my bias in that, but I cannot stand Japanese game design. It's obtuse and stupid. I've never played a Japanese game where I've given a shit about the characters emotional issues or the moronic story.

When things like Resident Evil debuted and people were lapping it up, I was playing games like Quake, Duke Nukem, Descent, Warcraft 2, Hexen, Daggerfall, Mechwarrior 2, etc, etc. These games, in my eyes, are far superior to anything the Japanese ever cooked-up. Japanese games, in comparison to games such as these always felt and still feel, arbitrarily limited, linear and shallow. Their stories never presented anything interesting and the design of their characters, environments, etc always turned me off.

Japanese games have never been interesting to me. I understand people bow down before them as though they're bastion of epic gaming, but those games always seemed to me as I just described.

[Kelegacy]

I hate the Resident Evil series. I find them incredibly boring and the gameplay mechanics are utter shit. Dead Rising is amusing (playing it on Wii), but awfully limited and still clings to Resident Evil conventions (at least the Wii version does). I hate DMC, never played Lost Planet, Zelda beyond the very first game is overrated garbage.

I don't really consider too many console games "classics" outside of a select few, such as Zelda. Mario Brothers or Sonic. After the Genesis...hell, even before the Genesis, I had been playing PC games. I grew up with that. Maybe it's just my bias in that, but I cannot stand Japanese game design. It's obtuse and stupid. I've never played a Japanese game where I've given a shit about the characters emotional issues or the moronic story.

When things like Resident Evil debuted and people were lapping it up, I was playing games like Quake, Duke Nukem, Descent, Warcraft 2, Hexen, Daggerfall, Mechwarrior 2, etc, etc. These games, in my eyes, are far superior to anything the Japanese ever cooked-up. Japanese games, in comparison to games such as these always felt and still feel, arbitrarily limited, linear and shallow. Their stories never presented anything interesting and the design of their characters, environments, etc always turned me off.

Japanese games have never been interesting to me. I understand people bow down before them as though they're bastion of epic gaming, but those games always seemed to me as I just described.

I like games from all continents, but how can you describe games like Quake, Duke Nukem, Hexen, etc. as being shining examples of superiority and then hammer Japanese titles as having awful stories and stupid characters? What is the story in Quake and Duke Nukem? Who are the exemplary characters here? Duke?

Your taste is obviously different, but I think many of the same issues you have with Japanese gaming others also have with Western design. I was lucky enough to be a console gamer and a PC gamer. I can see the pros and cons of each. For example, I prefer western RPGs over JRPGs but they have become watered down and formulaic after Diablo fucked up the genre. The CRPGs released today seem to be action hack and slash titles 9 times out of 10. Again, thanks Diablo, for being such an inspiration on the medium.

I can understand where you are coming from because it's a taste thing. Thankfully, very few people agree with your view. It almost sounds xenophobic, much like how people describe the Japanese when we can't understand why a popular western game fails miserably in the land of the rising sun. Or when a console, like the Xbox 360, sells terribly. I'm sure there are people in Japan who feel entirely the same way as you, just for Western games instead of Japanese. I'd call it a cultural thing, but American gamers eat up Japanese developed games. Not because of where they are developed, but because they are fun.

[Smoof]

I understand the basic idea of my bias and that I primarily enjoyed PC games while I was growing up, but I'd hardly call it xenophobic. I find Japanese culture interesting, but fuck their game design. You seem to be thinking I'm making some end-all, be-all declaration to go down in recorded history. It should be obvious that it's nothing more than personal preference.

[Kelegacy]

I understand the basic idea of my bias and that I primarily enjoyed PC games while I was growing up, but I'd hardly call it xenophobic. I find Japanese culture interesting, but fuck their game design. You seem to be thinking I'm making some end-all, be-all declaration to go down in recorded history. It should be obvious that it's nothing more than personal preference.

That's fair. I know it's just a personal preference. I just thought it extreme that people in this thread--not just you--are angry about the SE buyout. Eidos needed to do something, it was that obvious. But I don't think we need to fear SE. Just because they're Japanese doesn't mean they are going to make Lara Croft kawaii or turn every IP into a JRPG. This is more of a foothold for them in the west, so I doubt they'll "Japanize" anything.

[mister slim]

There's a lot of bleed back and forth though. The guys at iD acknowledge the influence of Mario on their game design and Warcraft is derived from a game derived from the Japanese game that developed many of the conventions of the RTS genre. Meanwhile, the Japanese borrowed from the West and are now pretty much the only place producing commercial rogue-likes.

[muddi900]

I can understand where you are coming from because it's a taste thing. Thankfully, very few people agree with your view. It almost sounds xenophobic,


While his "reasons" for disliking are stupid (how is Duke Nukem or Quake a great example of non-linear gameplay?), calling it xenophobic would be a stretch.


Also, Dead Rising on the WII is the retarded version!

[Virtual Machine]

I'm relatively sure that SE is just going to leave Eidos to their own devices and sign the paychecks, but i'd love to see some of Square's polish and design skills rub off on Eidos. They've got some of the best artists, designers, and creative minds in the business. Even less stellar offerings like Last Remnant and Infinite Undiscovery certainly don't suffer from ass looking UI or less than stellar packaging/presentation. Whereas Eidos' stuff tends to have something of a "clunky" feel to it.

It's the graphic designer in me speaking.

Oh, and imagine Legacy of Kain or Tomb Raider with a score by one of the SE jrpg veterans! That would be fantastic.

[Xydarc]

I understand the basic idea of my bias and that I primarily enjoyed PC games while I was growing up, but I'd hardly call it xenophobic. I find Japanese culture interesting, but fuck their game design. You seem to be thinking I'm making some end-all, be-all declaration to go down in recorded history. It should be obvious that it's nothing more than personal preference.
That's exactly what you did in the bolded part, make an end-all declaration of hate of Japanese games. Ignorant at best, xenophobic at worst.

You'd be hard pressed to find a Western Developer that wasn't, in some way, influenced by Japanese games.

[Lance Uppercut]

That's exactly what you did in the bolded part, make an end-all declaration of hate of Japanese games. Ignorant at best, xenophobic at worst.

You'd be hard pressed to find a Western Developer that wasn't, in some way, influenced by Japanese games.

"Xenophobic" is such a harsh term. Ignorant is the best way to describe it.

Why are people so riled up about Square buying up Eidos? It's not like they took all your favorite Eidos characters and gave them huge anime eyes.

[H.Bogard]

I have nothing against Japanese games, really.

What I do hate are the spiky-haired-heroes who look like chicks and heroines who look like 12-year-olds with C cups.
Mindfuck.

[EternalGamer]

They are no more ridiculious and fucked up than the exagerated sexual stereotypes in Western games, just catering to a different cultural market.

If I have to pick between ridiculious masculine stereotypes like Marcus Phoenix and Duke Nuke'em or the androgynous male characters in Square games, I'll take the latter.

[Banacek]

They are no more ridiculious and fucked up than the exagerated sexual stereotypes in Western games, just catering to a different cultural market.

If I have to pick between ridiculious masculine stereotypes like Marcus Phoenix and Duke Nuke'em or the androgynous male characters in Square games, I'll take the latter.

http://www.gossipgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/1237687236272.jpg

Western developers are so diverse! :)

[H.Bogard]

I just have one thing to say:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m255/HarryBogard/guybrush-threepwood_45c104c2b75f2.gif

[Banacek]

Jeez, that came out 12 years ago. I feel old.

[Xerxes]

http://www.gossipgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/1237687236272.jpg

Western developers are so diverse! :)

What can you say? It tested well with the targeted demographic. But for Mass Effect, he is just a poster boy. You make the character look how you want him to look.

[muddi900]

*pic with game characters*

Western developers are so diverse! :)

That EastEnders dude made me LOL!

[Food Nipple]

What can you say? It tested well with the targeted demographic. But for Mass Effect, he is just a poster boy. You make the character look how you want him to look.

I had two mass effect characters, I know at least one was bald; I really hope that other one wasn't.

[Banacek]

What can you say? It tested well with the targeted demographic. But for Mass Effect, he is just a poster boy. You make the character look how you want him to look.

Oh I know. Mass Effect was one of the only games where I played through as a girl character. I usually just pick the default guy and go. I just think that image is funny.

[JRR006]

My sister accused my male Mass Effect character of looking too metrosexual to be a space marine. Kff, I say to that. I'm going to give him longer (in this context, extant) hair and beautiful eyes, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Anyway, yeah. What's with the generic character design? Jim Raynor is the same archetype too, I think. I prefer the middle ground - visually interesting, like MGS2 Snake, but not obviously, stereotypically musclebound like they made him look in MGS4.

[BLeeP]

My sister accused my male Mass Effect character of looking too metrosexual to be a space marine. Kff, I say to that. I'm going to give him longer (in this context, extant) hair and beautiful eyes, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Does he carry a gunblade or have wings?

[JRR006]

Does he carry a gunblade or have wings?

He wished. He had to make due with searching the galaxy high and low to find two suits of armor so he and Kaiden would match. Fabulous!

[BLeeP]

He wished. He had to make due with searching the galaxy high and low to find two suits of armor so he and Kaiden would match. Fabulous!

Space travel is all about priorities.

I need to play Mass Effect 8-(. I think I did maybe...the first hour of the game?

[Kelegacy]

Oh I know. Mass Effect was one of the only games where I played through as a girl character. I usually just pick the default guy and go. I just think that image is funny.

I think the image is funny as well, but also sad. It is something I noticed while playing games over the past year or so as well. I think they pick the buzzcuts for main characters so they don't have to worry about crafting hair. It's an easy way out.

I think you really made a great point to H. Bogard and others, though. Touche! Androgynous characters don't bother me much. I feel safe enough in my own sexuality that I doubt videogame characters will turn me gay.

Actually, I almost think it's more "gay" to surround yourself solely with games Banacek listed, with supertough overly-macho western characters with buzz cuts and gravely voices. If you prefer that type...you MIGHT become the "girl" in the relationship. If you prefer Cloud, you're gonna be the topman.

(actually, I've played most of those games, so I don't know what that says about me)

[EternalGamer]

I think the image is funny as well, but also sad. It is something I noticed while playing games over the past year or so as well. I think they pick the buzzcuts for main characters so they don't have to worry about crafting hair. It's an easy way out.

I think you really made a great point to H. Bogard and others, though. Touche! Androgynous characters don't bother me much. I feel safe enough in my own sexuality that I doubt videogame characters will turn me gay.

Actually, I almost think it's more "gay" to surround yourself solely with games Banacek listed, with supertough overly-macho western characters with buzz cuts and gravely voices. If you prefer that type...you MIGHT become the "girl" in the relationship. If you prefer Cloud, you're gonna be the topman.

(actually, I've played most of those games, so I don't know what that says about me)

That your door has swang so much in so many directions that it is completely off the hinges. There is nothing left but a few sagging flaps that hand there to smack around a little as the men, women, animals, and inanimate objects parade in and out at their leisure or yours (but mostly just yours).

[Lance Uppercut]

(actually, I've played most of those games, so I don't know what that says about me)

You're a swinger, baby, yeah!

[Xydarc]

What can you say? It tested well with the targeted demographic. But for Mass Effect, he is just a poster boy. You make the character look how you want him to look.
You just don't want to admit that you prefer big burly men.:p

[Xerxes]

You just don't want to admit that you prefer big burly men.:p

I am a big burly man. Not that I want to be... Anymore. :(

[Xydarc]

I am a big burly man. Not that I want to be... Anymore. :(
I hear you.

/solidarity

[Virtual Pariah]

Legacy Of Kain using the FF game systems I would be all over.
Just bring back Simon and don't replace Tony.

If done right, it could be the Xenogears type "push the envelope" series.
My concerns are that they will ruin Hitman in the transition.
TR? I find I could care less, but, Pandemonium would fit well in the Squeenix universe ala Kingdom Hearts.

[Banacek]

Legacy Of Kain using the FF game systems I would be all over.
Just bring back Simon and don't replace Tony.

If done right, it could be the Xenogears type "push the envelope" series.
My concerns are that they will ruin Hitman in the transition.
TR? I find I could care less, but, Pandemonium would fit well in the Squeenix universe ala Kingdom Hearts.

But that means no Elder God. How do they move past that? He's as big of a character as Kain or Raziel. God I want another Legacy of Kain game. They sold so poorly that I doubt we'll ever get another one.

[Virtual Pariah]

But that means no Elder God. How do they move past that? He's as big of a character as Kain or Raziel.

I'm not sure. My hope was that they could recycle old dialog for the EG.
Maybe go back in time and deal with the war between the Hylden and the Vampires prior to the EG getting too much power.

Start with the Pillars being created and how Kain was part of that? ReTell how Kain was murdered and resurrected. Maybe even add in a new character, perhaps a human and watch how the story unfolded through powerless eyes?

I don't know. I just know I want more.
LOK was one of the more unique takes on the Vampire mythos. Better story than most of the Vampdrek out there, Masquerade aside.

[Banacek]

I don't know. I just know I want more.
LOK was one of the more unique takes on the Vampire mythos. Better story than most of the Vampdrek out there, Masquerade aside.

Agreed. I'm not even a fan of vampire stories. LoK just took it to another level for me.

[Xerxes]

But that means no Elder God. How do they move past that? He's as big of a character as Kain or Raziel. God I want another Legacy of Kain game. They sold so poorly that I doubt we'll ever get another one.

See to me... I think you get just a strong a voice actor as Tony Jay, but also change the form of the Elder God. Give him a different appearance than he's ever had.

[Banacek]

See to me... I think you get just a strong a voice actor as Tony Jay, but also change the form of the Elder God. Give him a different appearance than he's ever had.

That's an option. Advance a millennium with the Elder God trapped. Let time twist him into a new form. That also leaves Raziel trapped in the Soul Reaver for that time. Could be interesting to see what that would do to his mind. Anyway, there is still a whole universe that needs to be explored. I wish they would make another game. And if they eventually make another game and it is another Blood Omen 2 I might kill someone.

[Xerxes]

That's an option. Advance a millennium with the Elder God trapped. Let time twist him into a new form. That also leaves Raziel trapped in the Soul Reaver for that time. Could be interesting to see what that would do to his mind. Anyway, there is still a whole universe that needs to be explored. I wish they would make another game. And if they eventually make another game and it is anther Blood Omen 2 I might kill someone.

Wow... I really am the only person that loved Blood Omen 2.

[Banacek]

Wow... I really am the only person that loved Blood Omen 2.

I think the gaff of having Vorador in the game was enough for me to hate it. I'm glad they didn't ret-con it in Defiance. It makes it easier for me to write it off as fan-fic :)

[Virtual Pariah]

Wow... I really am the only person that loved Blood Omen 2.

I liked it from a Gameplay standpoint.
Grand Theft Nosgoth.

I wouldn't mind seeing the 1st game redone in that engine.

[Virtual Pariah]

That's an option. Advance a millennium with the Elder God trapped. Let time twist him into a new form. That also leaves Raziel trapped in the Soul Reaver for that time. Could be interesting to see what that would do to his mind. Anyway, there is still a whole universe that needs to be explored. I wish they would make another game. And if they eventually make another game and it is anther Blood Omen 2 I might kill someone.


I could see that. Change the form and change the voice.

[Xerxes]

I think the gaff of having Vorador in the game was enough for me to hate it. I'm glad they didn't ret-con it in Defiance. It makes it easier for me to write it off as fan-fic :)

What's wrong with Vorador.

Not I missed BO, SR and SR2.

[Wedge]

Bring back Thief! Box the rest.

[Banacek]

What's wrong with Vorador.

Not I missed BO, SR and SR2.

Well, he's not supposed to exist. He had his head chopped off by Moebius' mob 400 years earlier.

Gameplay-wise BO2 isn't bad. Story-wise it comes off as another game that they just rebranded as a LoK game and quickly shoved a story in it.

[EternalGamer]

That's an option. Advance a millennium with the Elder God trapped. Let time twist him into a new form. That also leaves Raziel trapped in the Soul Reaver for that time. Could be interesting to see what that would do to his mind. Anyway, there is still a whole universe that needs to be explored. I wish they would make another game. And if they eventually make another game and it is another Blood Omen 2 I might kill someone.

I would just prefer a reboot with a fresh story/universe.

[Banacek]

I would just prefer a reboot with a fresh story/universe.

What's the point of using an established universe just to throw it all out and create a different story? If you want that just create something new.

[H.Bogard]

Legacy Of Kain using the FF game systems I would be all over.

I hope you catch AIDS and die in a fire this instant.

[Xerxes]

Well, he's not supposed to exist. He had his head chopped off by Moebius' mob 400 years earlier.

Gameplay-wise BO2 isn't bad. Story-wise it comes off as another game that they just rebranded as a LoK game and quickly shoved a story in it.

But but... Kain resurrected him.

[Banacek]

But but... Kain resurrected him.

Only that never happened. It seems they planned on fixing it in Defiance, but they never did it. Instead of forcing a dead character into the story where he really wasn't needed, they could have done anything else.

[Xerxes]

Only that never happened. It seems they planned on fixing it in Defiance, but they never did it. Instead of forcing a dead character into the story where he really wasn't needed, they could have done anything else.

But didn't BO 2 like go back in time.

[Banacek]

But didn't BO 2 like go back in time.

It's been a long time, but I was pretty sure BO2 was a linear as it got for a LoK game. Moebius wasn't even in it.