No Mass Effect 2 For PS3

[Telefrog]

Not really surprising on this one. Press Release (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/bioware-announces-mass-effect-2/story.aspx?guid=%7B169C9F1F-7C60-46B3-9519-44C5E81D1385%7D&dist=msr_8).

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada – March 17th, 2009 – Leading video game developer BioWare™, a division of Electronic Arts Inc. (NASDAQ: ERTS) today officially announced Mass Effect™ 2, the highly anticipated sequel to the multi award-winning 2007 hit, Mass Effect. The Mass Effect trilogy is a masterful science fiction adventure set in a vast universe filled with dangerous alien life forms and mysterious uncharted planets. In this dark second chapter, Saren’s evil army of Geth soldiers has just been defeated, and humans, who are still struggling to make their mark on the galactic stage, are now faced with an even greater peril…

“We’re going to surpass the extraordinary gaming experience we brought our fans in Mass Effect by delivering intensified combat and expanded weapon options as well as increased depth of planet exploration, all while delivering a powerful, emotionally engaging story,” said Dr. Ray Muzyka, General Manager and CEO, BioWare and General Manager and Vice President, EA. “Mass Effect 2 is shaping up to be an unforgettable RPG-shooter experience, taking players on a non-stop roller-coaster ride filled with stunning plot twists and no-holds-barred action.”

Mass Effect 2 is coming to PC and the Xbox 360 video game system in Early 2010. To see the exclusive new Mass Effect 2 teaser trailer check out the website here: www.masseffect.com (http://www.masseffect.com).Bolding mine.

[Disgustipated]

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[violent]

Really though, that doesn't mean it won't be coming. I think that statement is more relevant to time frame because as we all know, game exclusivity is going the way go the Dodo.

[Telefrog]

Really though, that doesn't mean it won't be coming. I think that statement is more relevant to time frame because as we all know, game exclusivity is going the way go the Dodo.

Mass Effect 1? ;)

[National Kato]

I couldn't care less about 360 vs. PS3 pissing matches and I don't understand why some people still grasp onto them. I just care about the 'increased depth of planet exploration,' something that should've been included in the first.

[violent]

Mass Effect 1? ;)

Ninja Gaiden 2. You next.

[ThievesAmongUs]

Nope, I'll say 100% certainty, it won't come to the PS3. Why ? Because MS would be willing to pay a huge sum of money to keep it that way.

[DoctorFinger]

Stupid. That sums up my feelings on exclusives. It limits the audience of your game and encourages meaningless pissing matches.

[violent]

Nope, I'll say 100% certainty, it won't come to the PS3. Why ? Because MS would be willing to pay a huge sum of money to keep it that way.

That makes no sense dude. Have you forgotten the library of 360 games with "Only for Xbox 360" written on them? How is different from all of those?

[Telefrog]

Stupid. That sums up my feelings on exclusives. It limits the audience of your game and encourages meaningless pissing matches.

I agree that for gamers it's a loss (especially if you're on whichever system that misses the exclusive) but I think it seems to be paying off for plenty of developers. Despite the naysayers, I don't think console exclusives will ever go away. Some studios just can't afford the parallel development process on completely different systems.

How is different from all of those?

The difference is Bioware and their close/comfortable relationship with MS.

[violent]

I agree that for gamers it's a loss (especially if you're on whichever system that misses the exclusive) but I think it seems to be paying off for plenty of developers. Despite the naysayers, I don't think console exclusives will ever go away. Some studios just can't afford the parallel development process on completely different systems.

The problem is that true exclusivity creates a competitive market. False exclusivity fires the aforementioned pissing contests. I genuinely think false exclusivity is becoming a genuine marketing tactic in order to get a rush of sales before the second announcement without regard to market response.


The difference is Bioware and their close/comfortable relationship with MS.

You can't seriously believe that is a valid reason in business, do you? If a third party threw in 3 times the money Microsoft is paying them do you think they would maintain their exclusivity based on their scruples? Call me a pessimist but I say no.

[Telefrog]

The problem is that true exclusivity creates a competitive market. False exclusivity fires the aforementioned pissing contests. I genuinely think false exclusivity is becoming a genuine marketing tactic in order to get a rush of sales before the second announcement without regard to market response.

I agree, but the tactic apparently works, right?

You can't seriously believe that is a valid reason in business, do you? If a third party threw in 3 times the money Microsoft is paying them do you think they would maintain their exclusivity based on their scruples? Call me a pessimist but I say no.

You have to balance the moneyhat offered against your actual capability. You could, for example, offer me a million dollars to port my homemade zombie boardgame (don't ask) to the PS3, but the chance of me accomplishing that would still be pretty low regardless. I think that Bioware just doesn't have the experience with the PS3 needed to do a concurrent release or even a port. They are very comfortable with Microsoft's systems. Based on what I've seen of EA's past efforts to outsource 360 to PS3 ports, it may be better if they don't try.

I'm not saying I'm glad it's exclusive. I'm not saying "yay for Microsoft." I was just predicting back in early '08 that this would happen based on what I observed from Bioware. I'm only glad that my prediction came true because it meant that I was correctly assessing the situation.

[DoctorFinger]

I agree that for gamers it's a loss (especially if you're on whichever system that misses the exclusive) but I think it seems to be paying off for plenty of developers. Despite the naysayers, I don't think console exclusives will ever go away. Some studios just can't afford the parallel development process on completely different systems.I know what you're saying, but just about everyone else develops for PC, 360 and PS3 simultaneously. But ME2 - by Bioware and Electronic Arts - can't? Now this could be the vestiges of the Mass Effect 1 publishing deal (it was published by Microsoft), but otherwise I still don't like it. (And I say all this as someone who has a 360 & a PC but no PS3)

[Dukefrukem]

doesn't matter I'll be buying it on PC anyway.

[Telefrog]

I know what you're saying, but just about everyone else develops for PC, 360 and PS3 simultaneously. But ME2 - by Bioware and Electronic Arts - can't? Now this could be the vestiges of the Mass Effect 1 publishing deal (it was published by Microsoft), but otherwise I still don't like it. (And I say all this as someone who has a 360 & a PC but no PS3)

I don't really like it either. Even discounting that there was likely an exclusivity deal in place for the trilogy before the Bioware acquisition (which EA would likely have had to uphold or renegotiate) I just don't see Bioware working on the PS3 at this time. They also seem to really, truly care about their games enough that outsourcing a port would be almost unthinkable.

Edit: Also, I'm finding it odd that no one is bitching when Sony gets a third party exclusive to this degree.

[violent]

I agree, but the tactic apparently works, right?
It works until the lie is exposed. Then the community outcry sets us all back as gamers. Basically, good for business, bad for gamers.
You have to balance the moneyhat offered against your actual capability. You could, for example, offer me a million dollars to port my homemade zombie boardgame (don't ask) to the PS3, but the chance of me accomplishing that would still be pretty low regardless. I think that Bioware just doesn't have the experience with the PS3 needed to do a concurrent release or even a port. They are very comfortable with Microsoft's systems. Based on what I've seen of EA's past efforts to outsource 360 to PS3 ports, it may be better if they don't try.
It's always been the trend to build for the 360 and port to the PS3. Some companies went the other route though and some rather successfully so while what you say is true about the ease of development, there are still plenty good reasons one may choose to develop for the PS3 first and port over to the 360. That is currently neither here nor there though. Point is, it never has to be the one thing.
I'm not saying I'm glad it's exclusive. I'm not saying "yay for Microsoft." I was just predicting back in early '08 that this would happen based on what I observed from Bioware. I'm only glad that my prediction came true because it meant that I was correctly assessing the situation.
Personally, I'll be picking this up on the PC so it really doesn't affect me much, I just think the trend of delivering their news and the manner in which the community is capable of reading more into a sentence than is actually being said is their marketing ploy at work and that is what I find disconcerting.

[Cit Phil Cit]

doesn't matter I'll be buying it on PC anyway.

Pretty much. And since we know ME1 was for the 360 - I won't have to upgrade to play it. ;)

[Dukefrukem]

Pretty much. And since we know ME1 was for the 360 - I won't have to upgrade to play it. ;)

Are you implying that we'll have to upgrade our PCs to play ME2?

[DoctorFinger]

Edit: Also, I'm finding it odd that no one is bitching when Sony gets a third party exclusive to this degree.How many 3rd party exclusives do they get?

[Orca]

Personally, I'll be picking this up on the PC so it really doesn't affect me much, I just think the trend of delivering their news and the manner in which the community is capable of reading more into a sentence than is actually being said is their marketing ploy at work and that is what I find disconcerting.

They say quite clearly which platforms it's coming to. You were the one that tried to muddy the waters with that ridiculous 'that doesn't mean it's not coming to PS3' statement.

What do you want, the release to state 'coming to the Xbox 360 and PC platforms, but not the PS3. Ever.' or something?

[total]

How many 3rd party exclusives do they get?

I can't say how many but I remember MGS4 ruffling a few feathers. I couldn't care less either way. I'm just eating popcorn in Johan's absence.

[violent]

They say quite clearly which platforms it's coming to. You were the one that tried to muddy the waters with that ridiculous 'that doesn't mean it's not coming to PS3' statement.

What do you want, the release to state 'coming to the Xbox 360 and PC platforms, but not the PS3. Ever.' or something?

They are misleading is my point. I'm not muddying any waters, I'm just simply trying to say that these kinds of announcements aren't always what they sound like and that we should be wiser to such statements by now. But by all means, believe what you want.

[Dukefrukem]

example: wasn't Haze supposed to be a timed exclusive?

[TheFlyingOrc]

example: wasn't Haze supposed to be a timed exclusive?

It was, then it wasn't, then it was.

[DoctorFinger]

Ok, MGS4 and Haze come to mind, and in both cases there was significant uproar over them.

My thesis still stands: 3rd party exclusives are bad for gamers unless they already own all of the consoles.

[Wilkz07]

the first one wasn't out on ps3 so no suprise the sequel isn't coming. at least MS can retain its 'only on xbox' properties.

now i want to play mass effect again.

[Orca]

They are misleading is my point. I'm not muddying any waters, I'm just simply trying to say that these kinds of announcements aren't always what they sound like and that we should be wiser to such statements by now. But by all means, believe what you want.

How is it misleading?

The announcement for the original game also said 'coming to Xbox 360 and PC on [x date]' didn't it?

[TheFlyingOrc]

My thesis still stands: 3rd party exclusives are bad for gamers unless they already own all of the consoles.

This is certainly the case when two of the consoles are virtually identical. Sony should drop out already ;)

[violent]

How is it misleading?

The announcement for the original game also said 'coming to Xbox 360 and PC on [x date]' didn't it?

The title of this thread is "No Mass Effect 2 for PS3". My point is that history has already proven that statements worded as they are in the source don't necessarily indicate the statement made in the OP. I'm not blaming Tele for wording it that way because I believe that is precisely the point. I'm merely being observant of the trends.

[Gorvi]

I just don't see Bioware working on the PS3 at this time. They also seem to really, truly care about their games enough that outsourcing a port would be almost unthinkable.
They're doing Dragon Age Origins on PS3, 360, and PC.

[Telefrog]

They're doing Dragon Age Origins on PS3, 360, and PC.

Good point, but that's an entirely new engine. ME2 is still using UE, I believe.

[Gorvi]

Good point, but that's an entirely new engine. ME2 is still using UE, I believe.
Then there would be no excuse if there's no money involved, as UE is a multiplatform engine.

I say this as if I actually care about the game. :p

[violent]

Mass Effect was definitely a game I eventually learned to love. Only took about a year and a half. Now, I'm actually looking forward to the sequel and the inevitable Steam release news.

[ThievesAmongUs]

That makes no sense dude. Have you forgotten the library of 360 games with "Only for Xbox 360" written on them? How is different from all of those?

I'm still trying to find the logic in that statement, let alone figure out what your talking about.

[Yeti2005]

ME1 was a great game (I just recently finished it). I think everyone should have a chance to play it and the sequel.

[Cit Phil Cit]

Are you implying that we'll have to upgrade our PCs to play ME2?

The opposite.

[violent]

I'm still trying to find the logic in that statement, let alone figure out what your talking about.

You are saying you are 100% sure yet you fail to give any evidence of the fact except for something I have already proven holds no water.

[Cit Phil Cit]

I'm still trying to find the logic in that statement, let alone figure out what your talking about.

He is referring very very specifically to titles that were, for a time, marketed as "exclusives" when in fact, they were timed exclusives.

Such as Mass Effects and Jade Empire - to name two titles from Bioware to be specific.

[violent]

He is referring very very specifically to titles that were, for a time, marketed as "exclusives" when in fact, they were timed exclusives.

Such as Mass Effects and Jade Empire - to name two titles from Bioware to be specific.

Also those that were marked as "Only For Xbox 360" which indicates full exclusivity yet was eventually contradicted.

[Telefrog]

Also those that were marked as "Only For Xbox 360" which indicates full exclusivity yet was eventually contradicted.

The "Only For Xbox 360" stickers should really say "Only For Xbox 360 And PC... And Maybe PS3 Someday Depending On The Size Of The Check We Wrote." :D

To be fair to FearTheReaper, I think he's referring to the fact that neither Jade Empire or Mass Effect (despite their eventual PC releases) have gone to the PS3 and likely never will.

[Cit Phil Cit]

Also those that were marked as "Only For Xbox 360" which indicates full exclusivity yet was eventually contradicted.

Indeed. I called the Mass Effects timed exclusive back on EvAv years ago (that and 50 cents is worth a phone call). Both of which are on Steam now.

[Orca]

The title of this thread is "No Mass Effect 2 for PS3". My point is that history has already proven that statements worded as they are in the source don't necessarily indicate the statement made in the OP. I'm not blaming Tele for wording it that way because I believe that is precisely the point. I'm merely being observant of the trends.

Did Mass Effect come out for the PS3?

Keep up hope though. 2009, year of the PS3.

[violent]

Did Mass Effect come out for the PS3?

Keep up hope though. 2009, year of the PS3.

You think this is about wanting the game on the PS3? You miss out the part that I'm getting this on the PC? You did, didn't you? Keep arguing with yourself then because obviously you aren't listening.

[violent]

The "Only For Xbox 360" stickers should really say "Only For Xbox 360 And PC... And Maybe PS3 Someday Depending On The Size Of The Check We Wrote." :D

To be fair to FearTheReaper, I think he's referring to the fact that neither Jade Empire or Mass Effect (despite their eventual PC releases) have gone to the PS3 and likely never will.

This is true. I suppose it comes down to which carries more weight: A Bioware specific trend or and overall marketing trend. Personally, I think it's gonna be a Sigma scenario.

[tombofsoldier]

Stupid. That sums up my feelings on exclusives. It limits the audience of your game and encourages meaningless pissing matches.

I believe it is because of the original publishing agreement with Microsoft, you know that states it's MS exclusive? After all ME1 360 was published by MS.

[Dukefrukem]

The opposite.

Then we will have to downgrade our PCs to play ME2?

[Telefrog]

This is true. I suppose it comes down to which carries more weight: A Bioware specific trend or and overall marketing trend. Personally, I think it's gonna be a Sigma scenario.

I hope so just so PS3 only owners can play the game, but my gut tells me that there is a deal in place between MS and Bioware that outweighs whatever EA may want to do.

[Orca]

You think this is about wanting the game on the PS3? You miss out the part that I'm getting this on the PC? You did, didn't you? Keep arguing with yourself then because obviously you aren't listening.

Did you miss the part where you've had ample opportunity to do anything to prove you're doing something other than trying to 'take away' a 360 exclusive, but haven't?

The announcement isn't misleading or vague in the slightest, yet you say it is. There's no precedent for the trilogy appearing on the PS3, yet you say there is.

Back up the line of shit you're spreading, or knock it off.

[violent]

I hope so just so PS3 only owners can play the game, but my gut tells me that there is a deal in place between MS and Bioware that outweighs whatever EA may want to do.

I wouldn't be surprised. I'm certainly with you though. Everyone should be able to play this one. Unfortunately it's a double edged sword. Instead of people reveling at how good this game is, they are too busy arguing that exclusivity rights were lost and the continuous bickering over the superior platform. I feel like that about MGS4 as well. The thing should be out on the 360 already but I weep at the idea of what gaming communities will be for weeks to follow.

[TheFlyingOrc]

The thing should be out on the 360 already but I weep at the idea of what gaming communities will be for weeks to follow.
I really don't understand why people caring too much about video games upsets you so much. Let the fanboys play. If they weren't caring too much about this they'd find something else.

[Orca]

Instead of people reveling at how good this game is, they are too busy arguing that exclusivity rights were lost and the continuous bickering over the superior platform.

Your first post was about the potential platforms, not the game and what it might be - and since then you've been trying to defend that with half-baked 'well OTHER GAMES' bullshit.

Going on to complain about people who talk about the platform, not the game, is disingenuous and hypocritical.

[violent]

Did you miss the part where you've had ample opportunity to do anything to prove you're doing something other than trying to 'take away' a 360 exclusive, but haven't?

The announcement isn't misleading or vague in the slightest, yet you say it is. There's no precedent for the trilogy appearing on the PS3, yet you say there is.

Back up the line of shit you're spreading, or knock it off.

Listen kiddo, relax if you want to have this discussion because your foaming at the mouth aggravation isn't winning you any sympathies on this side. All I'm saying is that the actual story never says it isn't coming to other platforms. Surely even you can see that is true. I don't claim there to be evidence that there is a trilogy in the works for the PS3, I mentioned the Sigma thing once and that is nothing more than a shot in the dark guess. Any more questions doctor?

[violent]

I really don't understand why people caring too much about video games upsets you so much. Let the fanboys play. If they weren't caring too much about this they'd find something else.

It's like my discussion here with Tele, I enjoy conversation of this manner. It shows the person I am talking to is actually thinking versus wearing their heart on their sleeve. Basically, it's the reason why I come to this community to begin with. Personally, I don't care if the kids killed themselves. I just enjoy a certain level of discussion is all.

Your first post was about the potential platforms, not the game and what it might be - and since then you've been trying to defend that with half-baked 'well OTHER GAMES' bullshit.

Going on to complain about people who talk about the platform, not the game, is disingenuous and hypocritical.

I think someones got a bit of a crush.

[Orca]

The story never says it won't come to other platforms?

The announcement - from the developers and publisher - says quite clearly what platforms it's coming to. Does it list the PS3? Simple question.

Another simple question - have you ever seen a game announcement that says 'coming to [x platform] and not coming to [y platform]' at all?

It also doesn't say that the game won't play on toasters. Does that confirm it's being ported to my new Toast-o-matic?

[violent]

The story never says it won't come to other platforms?

The announcement - from the developers and publisher - says quite clearly what platforms it's coming to. Does it list the PS3? Simple question.

Another simple question - have you ever seen a game announcement that says 'coming to [x platform] and not coming to [y platform]' at all?

It also doesn't say that the game won't play on toasters. Does that confirm it's being ported to my new Toast-o-matic?

Have you ever seen a statement that says only coming to X and then it comes to Y? I have. Relax dude, I don't have an agenda. If you have a point, keep your cool. Your attempts at insults may cloud some of your points.

[Orca]

Have you ever seen a statement that says only coming to X and then it comes to Y? I have. Relax dude, I don't have an agenda. If you have a point, keep your cool. Your attempts at insults may cloud some of your points.

Didn't answer either question.

[ThievesAmongUs]

Also those that were marked as "Only For Xbox 360" which indicates full exclusivity yet was eventually contradicted.

Well in that case, let me refine my remarks. I was talking about ME 2 coming to the PS3 and my belief that's not going to happen.

[Telefrog]

I guess we'll all have the answers when we fire up Mass Effect 2 sometime in 2010. If the Microsoft logo comes up, then we know there's some kind of publishing deal in place for the trilogy. If not, then anything is possible.

[Philonious]

I'm still betting on a timed exclusive. Probably pushing it out the door on the 360 and PC for the Holiday rush with a follow-up on the PS3 coming later... Maybe by their Montreal team? (Depending on Fallout 3 sales on the PS3).

[Cit Phil Cit]

Then we will have to downgrade our PCs to play ME2?

Almost. The game will be downgraded because of the static 360 hardware to run on your current/new/4year old PC ;)

Which is fortunate because my PC will be 4 years old when it should come out. :p

/magic

[ThievesAmongUs]

I guess we'll all have the answers when we fire up Mass Effect 2 sometime in 2010. If the Microsoft logo comes up, then we know there's some kind of publishing deal in place for the trilogy. If not, then anything is possible.

I'll second that opinion, my good man.

[Cit Phil Cit]

Didn't answer either question.

Stop being a retard and go eat a seal. Perhaps an Eskimo Pie.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/road_trip/dj_qualls/roadtrip.jpg

[violent]

Didn't answer either question.

The story never says it won't come to other platforms?

The announcement - from the developers and publisher - says quite clearly what platforms it's coming to. Does it list the PS3? Simple question.

No it doesn't claim the PS3 but since when is the absence of evidence considered evidence? It also claims the time frame. It could potentially be the time frame that requires consideration, not the platforms stated. I say this as a possibility only because it has happened in the past.

Another simple question - have you ever seen a game announcement that says 'coming to [x platform] and not coming to [y platform]' at all?

Bioshock. Also every single game on the 360 that says Only for 360".

I'm going on previous evidence, not my personal hopes.

[ThievesAmongUs]

And on another note, perhaps some details will be revealed at the GDC where Bioware will be showing off the level design for ME 2

[Orca]

No it doesn't claim the PS3 but since when is the absence of evidence considered evidence?

That's pretty rich coming from the guy trying to say this announcement somehow confirms a PS3 version.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21125

The studio's job listings advertised on other sites say that it is looking to "to lay the foundation for a solid development team," calling for software engineer applicants with Xbox 360 and Wii development experience.

OH SHIT, Square Enix is no longer developing PS3 games!

Every bit as valid as the ridiculous "announcement is vague" and "they mention a time frame so that must mean timed exclusivity" garbage in this thread.

[violent]

And on another note, perhaps some details will be revealed at the GDC where Bioware will be showing off the level design for ME 2

Rumor has it that MS is supposed to show some good stuff at E3 this year. I'm willing to bet that the MGS4 announcement happens there or GDC.

[violent]

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21125



OH SHIT, Square Enix is no longer developing PS3 games!

Every bit as valid as the ridiculous "announcement is vague" and "they mention a time frame so that must mean timed exclusivity" garbage in this thread.

You didn't reply to either of my examples.

[Orca]

You didn't reply to either of my examples.

Did Mass Effect come to the PS3? That's the part I don't really understand. You keep claiming this 'previous history' when the franchise has no prior history of being ported AND it's a series that carries the hero from the first game into the second.

[Cit Phil Cit]

that's pretty rich coming from the guy trying to say this announcement somehow confirms a ps3 version.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21125



oh shit, square enix is no longer developing ps3 games!

Every bit as valid as the ridiculous "announcement is vague" and "they mention a time frame so that must mean timed exclusivity" garbage in this thread.

never go full retard.

[violent]

Did Mass Effect come to the PS3? That's the part I don't really understand. You keep claiming this 'previous history' when the franchise has no prior history of being ported AND it's a series that carries the hero from the first game into the second.

You asked me to answer your 2 questions and I did. You have to respond to the replies you requested before you get to ask me another question.

[Orca]

never go full retard.

You're really contributing a lot to the thread.

[Orca]

You asked me to answer your 2 questions and I did. You have to respond to the replies you requested before you get to ask me another question.

Microsoft has a much-discussed exclusivity deal with BioWare, pre-buyout, for the trilogy. That wasn't the case with any of the games I can think of that had "only on Xbox" on the case.

[violent]

Microsoft has a much-discussed exclusivity deal with BioWare, pre-buyout, for the trilogy. That wasn't the case with any of the games I can think of that had "only on Xbox" on the case.

I imagine that any game they are willing to put "Only" on the box wasn't with eventual multi-platform release in mind. Exclusivity deals these days are a very fickle aspect of development and to be honest, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it is released on the PS3 farther down the road because ME won't always be a cash cow for Microsoft. The important thing is for them to get their hands on it first. Another tactic that has been exceptionally effective for them this gen.

[Xydarc]

Not worried about console versions. I'll be snagging this through Steam.

[Xydarc]

I seem to remember the same bally-hoo over BioShock. I'm not saying that BioShock on the PS3 proves that ME will appear on the PS3, just that we should never say never.

[violent]

I seem to remember the same bally-hoo over BioShock. I'm not saying that BioShock on the PS3 proves that ME will appear on the PS3, just that we should never say never.

You sir, get it.

[Telefrog]

I seem to remember the same bally-hoo over BioShock. I'm not saying that BioShock on the PS3 proves that ME will appear on the PS3, just that we should never say never.

It's a great example, except for the fact that Bioshock wasn't published by Microsoft whereas Mass Effect was. :p

[violent]

It's a great example, except for the fact that Bioshock wasn't published by Microsoft whereas Mass Effect was. :p

It's a better example of a situation where a company said flat out something would not be happening and in turn, it did. Exclusivity, a fickle mistress she is.

[Telefrog]

It's a better example of a situation where a company said flat out something would not be happening and in turn, it did. Exclusivity, a fickle mistress she is.

Sure, when there's no publishing deal in place. Exclusivity is fickle when there isn't enough money or a contractual obligation keeping her loyal. In this case, I tend to believe there's enough of either one. ;)

[OldJadedGamer]

Ok, MGS4 and Haze come to mind, and in both cases there was significant uproar over them.

My thesis still stands: 3rd party exclusives are bad for gamers unless they already own all of the consoles.

Valkyria Chronicles and I agree. Leave the exclusives for the first parties. Third party exclusives need to die. And speaking of having the "only on" the box this is not something new that started this gen because Resident Evil 4 for GameCube had an "only on" the box as well.

But you have to think about it... how many PS3 only exclusive third party titles say they are only on PS3 on the box? Does that mean every single one of them are coming to the 360 and Wii?

[violent]

Sure, when there's no publishing deal in place. Exclusivity is fickle when there isn't enough money or a contractual obligation keeping her loyal. In this case, I tend to believe there's enough of either one. ;)

It seems like an air tight system but let's just say I won't be surprised in the slightest when a new development breaks slightly changing the rules we've been fed so far.

[Chris_D]

Very much doubt there's a conspiracy here. Bioware is likely still lacking the PS3 experience to do the port for now. Even though it's an Unreal Engine game, I'm sure there's still quite a bit to doing the port and getting it to run nicely.

EA could farm it out like they did with the Orange Box but with all the recent studio cut backs maybe they just don't have the extra bodies at the moment?

[Rune_74]

Valkyria Chronicles and I agree. Leave the exclusives for the first parties. Third party exclusives need to die. And speaking of having the "only on" the box this is not something new that started this gen because Resident Evil 4 for GameCube had an "only on" the box as well.

But you have to think about it... how many PS3 only exclusive third party titles say they are only on PS3 on the box? Does that mean every single one of them are coming to the 360 and Wii?

What is the difference if a game is 3rd party exclusive or first party exclusive...an exclusive is an exclusive.

And Violent you are being a condescending jerk in this thread and egging Orca on.

Year of the PS3 sheesh.

[violent]

What is the difference if a game is 3rd party exclusive or first party exclusive...an exclusive is an exclusive.

And Violent you are being a condescending jerk in this thread and egging Orca on.

Year of the PS3 sheesh.

Sheesh indeed. I love when people show up at the end of a discussion and talk as if they have any idea of what the evolution of said discussion was. Obviously you think I'm coming at the defense of the PS3 and this proves that you have no idea what I'm saying due to the fact that I have already corrected someone else of that very mistake.

Do me a favor, if you're gonna accuse me of something, be really fucking sure you are right. Otherwise, shut your mouth.

[Rune_74]

Actually read the whole thread thanks, and as a matter of fact don't really need your permission to post thanks.

Good to see its ok for you to spout your opinion but when others chime in on it you get a little testy huh? Tell me you weren't egging the guy on.

PS the last part was more a snort at the whole year of the ps3 thing.

[violent]

Actually read the whole thread thanks, and as a matter of fact don't really need your permission to post thanks.

Good to see its ok for you to spout your opinion but when others chime in on it you get a little testy huh? Tell me you weren't egging the guy on.

PS the last part was more a snort at the whole year of the ps3 thing.

I get testy when people accuse me of something they are completely wrong about, yeah.

[Rogue_hunter]

Both Stephen Totilo and Geoff Keighley expressed on twitter that they were surprised about the PS3 not being included, but also conceded that it could happen at a later date. This announcement is just giving a timeframe for the initial release, yet it never says "NEVER EVER NEENER NEENER NEENER." Wouldn't be all surprising to me if it goes either way though, since I'd likely be waiting for the bargain bin copy.

The more surprising part of this announcement is saying that the PC release is going to be released at the same time, if not near the console release. Hopefully that release won't include horrendous DRM.

[Ghostbear]

Actually, I think Violent has been one of the few voices of "not dumb" in this thread.

[mister slim]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/9/9e/HA_HA_HA,_OH_WOW.jpg/500px-HA_HA_HA,_OH_WOW.jpg

That is shameful. Hergé did beautiful hand-lettering for Tintin.

[Philonious]

Someone mentioned the Microsoft branding on the gamee will decide whether or not it is a true exclusive... Well all traces of Microsoft branding was removed from the PC port of the original. That's neither here nor there, but suggests that Microsoft is out of the equation.

[Xydarc]

The more surprising part of this announcement is saying that the PC release is going to be released at the same time, if not near the console release. Hopefully that release won't include horrendous DRM.
Steam is your friend.

[Hotcod]

Steam is your friend.

not if you live in a place where EA is yet to come to steam it's not

[OldJadedGamer]

What is the difference if a game is 3rd party exclusive or first party exclusive...an exclusive is an exclusive.

I'm not a fan of blocking people from playing games. With first parties, they are making them to get people to buy their system. Why should third parties care if you buy one system over another as long as you buy their game? As a developer wouldn't you want as many people as possible to play your game?

[Rune_74]

I'm not a fan of blocking people from playing games. With first parties, they are making them to get people to buy their system. Why should third parties care if you buy one system over another as long as you buy their game? As a developer wouldn't you want as many people as possible to play your game?

I see what you are saying, but....when a developer is making a game for a console they are doing it for money. They have basically become first party (depending on the contract) for that game...so there is very little difference.

[bean]

Stupid. That sums up my feelings on exclusives. It limits the audience of your game and encourages meaningless pissing matches.
It's a way for console owners to distinguish their product from their competitors. Microsoft obviously would not be doing as well as it is doing if it did not have the largest library of exclusives (even more than the Wii that has a game library that is mostly exclusives due to the fact that the Wii hardware is so inferior to that of the PS3 and Xbox 360).

When you ask someone why they buy a Wii, they'll usually tell you something about playing games with friends or how they love Nintendo's games. When you ask someone why they bought a PS3, they'll usually tell you it was for a specific game (MGS usually) or for a set of games. The same is true for the Xbox 360. A console is defined and sold due to it's "killer apps".

Can you imagine how awful the sales of the incredibly defective Xbox 360 would be if they didn't have the largest number of exclusives and the most highly rated exclusives?

It certainly doesn't help gamers. I'd like to be able to buy one machine and play everything on it. . . but I also like competition and the benefits that brings to me as a consumer, so I deal with it.

[carnage11]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2764/pissing1.jpg

[Hotcod]

I'm not a fan of blocking people from playing games. With first parties, they are making them to get people to buy their system. Why should third parties care if you buy one system over another as long as you buy their game? As a developer wouldn't you want as many people as possible to play your game?

There's a toss up with people playing the game and making money. Valve refused to do in house ports to the ps3 because they could not see the point investing in setting up a department and learning how to program for cell when they saw it as a dead end. They just turfed it out to a 4th party which brought it's own problems.

So it depends on what bioware plans to do. If they have no plans to set up an inhouse ps3 set up then they can do 1 of 2 things... do what valve did and have another dev house take care of porting the game or they can not make anything for the ps3. If not making anything for the ps3 also nets them a good chunck of cash for something they didn't plan on doing anyway why not take it?

In other words if you have a studio set up that can make games for the 360 or the PC it's not that hard porting the game to the other set up. But to go on to making those games for ps3 at the same time needs huge investment of time and money if your not already set up to do so and in the end if they can be paid for not doing that when they don't want to... well... you have to ask how many games it's worth not selling? given that console exlusives tend to sell perfectly fine it's not to hard to work out why this happens.

I think what i'm trying to say is that it much more about what long term plans the dev has for making there games. If they want to move in to making ps3 games then it makes sense to invest in doing that and not taking money for making the game a 360 exclusive... if there not planing on making ps3 games in house then an exclusivity deal can be much sweeter than using another dev house to make the port for you

[agentgray]

What? No Mass Effect 2 for the Wii?

Was this post a setup?

:D

[bean]

What I find a bit weird is that we hear complaints about the exclusives on the Xbox 360 being exclusive, but this never seems to be the focus of the conversation about the PS3's exclusives. . . which is odd, because I know that even among all these gamers, there are more people that don't own a PS3 than people who don't own an Xbox 360.

Maybe it's because with one exception (Valkyria Chronicles), all of the good PS3 exclusives are first or second party and thus are no more likely to go multi-platform than a title from Bungie, Lionhead, Rare, Valve, or Microsoft Games Studios.

Why isn't Valkyria Chronicles multi-platform. I think I've even read that it was released on the Xbox 360 in Japan (though this may have been a rumor. . . didn't confirm it because I didn't really care. . . I still don't have it).

[Orca]

What? No Mass Effect 2 for the Wii?

Was this post a setup?

:D

It's coming later in 2010, according to the release.

[OldJadedGamer]

Why isn't Valkyria Chronicles multi-platform.

Because Sega as a company can never make good decisions?

[Rogue_hunter]

Steam is your friend.

Not entirely true. Steam is just a distribution platform for third party stuff. DRM can still be included, as it was in Crysis Warhead, and I had read about it also in the Mass Effect release.

[Maskatron]

I still need to play the first one. It game out at a time when my backlog was a little too intense, and now I'm just about catching up (and nothing much to look forward to in awhile).

[Jackel]

Not entirely true. Steam is just a distribution platform for third party stuff. DRM can still be included, as it was in Crysis Warhead, and I had read about it also in the Mass Effect release.

Exactly. Quite a few games on Steam have come with 3rd party DRM schemes. Steam has started listing it in the game's description in-store.

I wouldn't doubt that ME2 will have some form of 3rd party DRM.

[mister slim]

So it depends on what bioware plans to do. If they have no plans to set up an inhouse ps3 set up then they can do 1 of 2 things... do what valve did and have another dev house take care of porting the game or they can not make anything for the ps3. If not making anything for the ps3 also nets them a good chunck of cash for something they didn't plan on doing anyway why not take it?


Dragon Age is coming to PS3.

[Norse]

Does it really make sense to release ME2 on the PS3 at this point?

-Bioware tells us to keep the save game from ME, which means there is a connection between the two games.
-ME1 isn't available for the PS3.
-The first one was published by Microsoft, which I would guess means Bioware can't release it on PS3 just like that
-Releasing ME2 without ME1 is pointless IMHO.

What I could see happening is Bioware releasing a ME trilogy for the PS3 when the 3 games have been released for X360 and PC.

[MalReynolds]

MS is probably Co-Producing the game with EA for 360 as i would expect

[tacitus]

I cannot believe this thread is as long as it is - I guess an inflamatory title will do it. Its even working with me.

AFIK the original "Mass Effect" never came out on the PS3. The console version was published by Microsoft; hell there might actually be a legal document saying that any sequels can't be on the PS3. There are cases where the IP is owned by the publisher. It could be simple as earlier mentioned that the engine isn't available and its not worth anybody's time. Remember PS3 is "not the easy to program for console."

Well I want to see LBP and GoW 3 on the PC - an't going to happen. At leat with Microsoft "exclusives" they sometimes end up on the PC although the porting of them can be problematic.

[Hotcod]

Dragon Age is coming to PS3.

Oh yes, so it is, my bad... still it all depends if bioware is doing the ps3 in house or not on which i can't really find any info. Is this the first game bioware is bringing to the ps3? if it is then i can see there team not being big enough to handle more than one project at a time yet and as such it would again make more sense to run with microsoft with ME while doing dragon age for the ps3. It dose make it more likely that it will be a timed exclusive in that ones dragon age is out they may get around to porting ME2 to the ps3.

[Gorvi]

What I find a bit weird is that we hear complaints about the exclusives on the Xbox 360 being exclusive, but this never seems to be the focus of the conversation about the PS3's exclusives. . . which is odd, because I know that even among all these gamers, there are more people that don't own a PS3 than people who don't own an Xbox 360.
Do you not remember all the MGS4 talk?
Maybe it's because with one exception (Valkyria Chronicles), all of the good PS3 exclusives are first or second party and thus are no more likely to go multi-platform than a title from Bungie, Lionhead, Rare, Valve, or Microsoft Games Studios.
Most have been first or second party, that is true. Or published directly by Sony, like Heavenly Sword.
Why isn't Valkyria Chronicles multi-platform. I think I've even read that it was released on the Xbox 360 in Japan (though this may have been a rumor. . . didn't confirm it because I didn't really care. . . I still don't have it).
VC was originally going to be a 360 game, but Microsoft didn't want it. SEGA asked for some publishing help since the 360 wasn't very popular in Japan at the time (and still isn't, obviously) and Microsoft turned them away.

[Yeti2005]

Oh yes, so it is, my bad... still it all depends if bioware is doing the ps3 in house or not on which i can't really find any info.

EA is publishing Dragon Age so another group will most likely do the PS3 development (similar to Orange Box).

[Gorvi]

EA is publishing Dragon Age so another group will most likely do the PS3 development (similar to Orange Box).
That's a rather bold assumption to make. How many games actually do this?

Judging by this (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/06/bioware-ceo-talks-ps3-development-mmos/) article, they seem to be doing it themselves. Unless they like commenting on how it is to be working on a platform that they're not working on. ;)

[Norse]

Do you not remember all the MGS4 talk?

Most have been first or second party, that is true. Or published directly by Sony, like Heavenly Sword.

VC was originally going to be a 360 game, but Microsoft didn't want it. SEGA asked for some publishing help since the 360 wasn't very popular in Japan at the time (and still isn't, obviously) and Microsoft turned them away.

Looking at the numbers this was a wise decision by MS, but I still don't understand why Sega didn't port it to 360 in US and EU.

[Chris_D]

VC was originally going to be a 360 game, but Microsoft didn't want it. SEGA asked for some publishing help since the 360 wasn't very popular in Japan at the time (and still isn't, obviously) and Microsoft turned them away.

Booo Microsoft :(.

[Gorvi]

Looking at the numbers this was a wise decision by MS, but I still don't understand why Sega didn't port it to 360 in US and EU.
I'm not sure about in Japan, but it got zero marketing over here. Releasing a game like that, at the time they did, with absolutely no marketing, that isn't exactly a recipe for success.

[Chris_D]

I never saw any posters for it, so maybe in Japan they didn't put their best foot forward either. Damn shame.

[Yeti2005]

That's a rather bold assumption to make. How many games actually do this?

Judging by this (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/06/bioware-ceo-talks-ps3-development-mmos/) article, they seem to be doing it themselves. Unless they like commenting on how it is to be working on a platform that they're not working on. ;)

I'm not saying Bioware CAN'T develop for the PS3 or doesn't like the machine but it's fairly likely their best resources are working on the PC version (and to an extension the 360). Bioware has a finite number of developers and it wouldn't shock me if another group within EA took over PS3 development duties. This doesn't mean it will necessarily be inferior by the way.

[MagGnome]

Did you miss the part where you've had ample opportunity to do anything to prove you're doing something other than trying to 'take away' a 360 exclusive, but haven't?

The announcement isn't misleading or vague in the slightest, yet you say it is. There's no precedent for the trilogy appearing on the PS3, yet you say there is.

Back up the line of shit you're spreading, or knock it off.


Nobody is trying to "take away" anything.

Seriously, what is your deal?

[violent]

Nobody is trying to "take away" anything.

Seriously, what is your deal?

He mad. Plain and simple.

[MagGnome]

He mad. Plain and simple.


It's obvious that you are just a PS3 fan boy.

[mister slim]

Nobody is trying to "take away" anything.

Seriously, what is your deal?

Are you forgetting how many lives hang in the balance, waiting on the outcome of the battle between PS3 and 360?

[violent]

It's obvious that you are just a PS3 fan boy.

Sure am and my goal is to dissuade people from personal opinion in hopes of getting them to buy Playstation 3's because little does everyone know, for every PS3 sold I get a pancake. In the mail. I have 3.

[mister slim]

Sure am and my goal is to dissuade people from personal opinion in hopes of getting them to buy Playstation 3's because little does everyone know, for every PS3 sold I get a pancake. In the mail. I have 3.

But are they PS3-sized pancakes? I could live off one of those for a couple weeks.

[violent]

But are they PS3-sized pancakes? I could live off one of those for a couple weeks.

Silver dollars. Lesson here, read your contracts.

[MagGnome]

Are you forgetting how many lives hang in the balance, waiting on the outcome of the battle between PS3 and 360?


I'm readying the armies of the PC empire for a surprise coup.


Sure am and my goal is to dissuade people from personal opinion in hopes of getting them to buy Playstation 3's because little does everyone know, for every PS3 sold I get a pancake. In the mail. I have 3.

I can't blame you sir. I'd do anything for pancakes.

[violent]

I can't blame you sir. I'd do anything for pancakes.

We're all just flesh and blood after all.

[MagGnome]

We're all just flesh and blood after all.

Except the Xbots. They are made of metal and dead babies.

[violent]

Except the Xbots. They are made of metal and dead babies.

And a million pointing fingers.

[mister slim]

I'm readying the armies of the PC empire for a surprise coup.

Ah, yeah. The ol' Divide n' Conquer.


Meanwhile we of the Nintendo Armada are just watching... and waiting...

[MagGnome]

Watching...and waiting....because there are no games to play.

[violent]

Shit, I think I just realized that I may be a PC elitist. Look at that.

[MagGnome]

Shit, I think I just realized that I may be a PC elitist. Look at that.

It's okay, it's better on this side.

[violent]

It's okay, it's better on this side.

Much drier too.

[carnage11]

Oh yeah? Well.....well.....we can cook pancakes on our xbox 360s! Now can you cook a pancake on your PS3? Hmm? I think not.....

[zarathstra]

I'm readying the armies of the PC empire for a surprise coup.


Reporting for duty, sir! Also reporting for some Sins of a Solar Empire.

[Crowe]

never go full retard.

So true. And so very funny.

[Jackel]

I'm readying the armies of the PC empire for a surprise coup.



I'm in. Can I get a badge ?

[Yeti2005]

Oh yeah? Well.....well.....we can cook pancakes on our xbox 360s! Now can you cook a pancake on your PS3? Hmm? I think not.....

Actually I could probably cook a pancake on my 360, PS3, and receiver so pancakes for everyone!

[Gorvi]

The PSP Fan Force will defeat you all.... you know, all 8 of us. :o

[MagGnome]

Reporting for duty, sir! Also reporting for some Sins of a Solar Empire.

Yeah, about that... :p PM me sometime with your availability!


I'm in. Can I get a badge ?

Of course sir!

Everyone who joins gets a free bunny rabbit USB stick.

The PSP Fan Force will defeat you all.... you know, all 8 of us. :o

Yeah, that's probably the smallest army of them all, at least in the modern era. :p

[bean]

Do you not remember all the MGS4 talk?
Right, how did I forget that? That is the other good PS3 exclusive that isn't first or second party. . . so there are 2.

VC was originally going to be a 360 game, but Microsoft didn't want it. SEGA asked for some publishing help since the 360 wasn't very popular in Japan at the time (and still isn't, obviously) and Microsoft turned them away.
Microsoft didn't want to pay for exclusivity so they are not going to port the game even though the Xbox 360 has a larger install base? That's stupid. . . well, unless Sony paid for the exclusive.

Edit: Sorry. . . I see I got back to this thread only after a full page of bullshit, so feel free to let it die.

[MagGnome]

Edit: Sorry. . . I see I got back to this thread only after a full page of bullshit, so feel free to let it die.

We tried so hard to kill this mess, only to have you come along and revive it. Thanks a lot. :p

[bean]

We tried so hard to kill this mess, only to have you come along and revive it. Thanks a lot. :p
What? Is that the real reason for the bullshit? Are you guys acting like Jewish mothers trying to change the subject whenever something real is discussed? Why would a conversation about console exclusivity make you uncomfortable?

[Disgustipated]

What? Is that the real reason for the bullshit? Are you guys acting like Jewish mothers trying to change the subject whenever something real is discussed? Why would a conversation about console exclusivity make you uncomfortable?

Why would you put Jewish mothers? Why not mothers in general? Anti-Semitic much? QUESTIONS????

:p

[MagGnome]

What? Is that the real reason for the bullshit? Are you guys acting like Jewish mothers trying to change the subject whenever something real is discussed? Why would a conversation about console exclusivity make you uncomfortable?

There wasn't much discussion to speak of. Just the usual zealots trying to paint Violent into a corner.


Leave my mother out of this. :p

[mister slim]

Console exclusivity discussion: Serious Business.

[bean]

There wasn't much discussion to speak of. Just the usual zealots trying to paint Violent into a corner.
Okay. So the silliness was just normal forum diarrhea and not, as you postulated, an intentional derail.

[MagGnome]

Okay. So the silliness was just normal forum diarrhea and not, as you postulated, an intentional derail.

It was a mixture of the two. Kind of gross when you put it that way. :p

[Variable Gear]

I've heard this story somewhere before.