Master Cleanse

[civil]

Anyone do the Master Cleanse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Cleanse) in CoG Land? I'm thinking of doing it for 10 days before going vegan as a transition/purification. I know we have a few adventurous types out there.

Any stories of first-hand or second-hand experience would be welcomed.

[Carnifex]

I haven't tried the Master Cleanse, but I do have a very positive experience with the program from Holistic Horizons (http://www.holistichorizons.com/intestinalcleansingprog_pg.htm). It's designed to detox the digestive system (and the body as a whole) in a very gentle manner, so a typical treatment period is about 3 months.

[Lithium Flower]

Anyone do the Master Cleanse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Cleanse) in CoG Land? I'm thinking of doing it for 10 days before going vegan as a transition/purification. I know we have a few adventurous types out there.

Any stories of first-hand or second-hand experience would be welcomed.

Hmm, so just lemonade ? Any type of lemonade or is there a special formula. What else does one need to know. I'm tempted. I've put on weight recently and just don't feel very good lately. Might help. The wiki entry doesn't give much detail on what you're supposed to drink though.

[civil]

Hmm, so just lemonade ? Any type of lemonade or is there a special formula. What else does one need to know. I'm tempted. I've put on weight recently and just don't feel very good lately. Might help. The wiki entry doesn't give much detail on what you're supposed to drink though.
Here's (http://calorielab.com/news/2008/07/17/master-cleanse-in-detail/) a good source as well. Though I'm doing it mainly for cleansing/detoxing myself.

Carnifex: Interesting, but I'm not such a patient man. :o

[pseudopseudo]

I have a work acquaintance who's doing the master cleanse right now. From the sounds of it (his constant updates on Myspace), it's going well for him, but it's "fucking intense". LOL

[Carnifex]

Carnifex: Interesting, but I'm not such a patient man. :o
If the Master Cleanse doesn't give the expected results, then try it. It's well worth it, and you'll feel the effects of the detox within the first few weeks. A proper detox shouldn't be rushed, it can have nasty side effects.

[civil]

Hmm. I'll read into it more. You have got me thinking about rushing into it. The problem is that I'm seeing this as a step, not an end, so the longer this step takes the longer I have to wait to progress. Still, I will look into that website further.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

Cleanse diets seem to be the fad right now. Just make sure you do your research before partaking in one, as they can turn dangerous.

[OrigamiPanther]

Several co-workers at my office have done this. The one thing they've all said "Don't do it for the full time the diet says if it's your first time." I've also been interested in trying this, but hard to find a time when there's enough of a lull in my work life that I could do it and not be stressed at the same time so my body doesn't shut down on me.

[Everyone vs Dinosaurs]

Aren't these the things where you have to drink something that smells like cat pee?

[civil]

Aren't these the things where you have to drink something that smells like cat pee?
No. It the thing where you drink cat pee.

[Zrikz]

Took a class on health and nutrition last semester and we had a dietitian come in and speak about the master cleanse and a few other extreme diet fads and she pretty much said this is one of the worst things you can do to your body... just a FYI. I duno, I tend to trust trained professionals =/

[NoName]

I sort of agree with Zrikz, using this to detox sounds a bit fishy. Here's a quote from the link you posted Civil.

There’s no evidence that our bodies contain excessive toxins of the sort Burroughs discusses, and there’s no evidence that detox diets flush out anything bad in your body. Many of our organs, including the liver, kidneys, lungs, and the intestines, are very efficient filters that expel toxins. There are toxins that may be trapped in fat cells or the lungs, but this sort of diet does not help with expelling those.

We’ve included some quotes from Stanley Burroughs at the end of this article so you can read for yourself how naive and outdated his medical theories were.

[crazyD]

Sounds like a steaming load of bullshit to me. Might help you lose some weight (although it will likely be short term if so, due to the fact that it only changes your eating habits temporarily), but that detox stuff is complete and utter crap.

[civil]

Sounds like a steaming load of bullshit to me.
That is funny in all sorts of ways.

[Radioguy9698]

who needs master cleanse to clean your colon out when you should do what i do....order some taco bell and for dessert eat some boiled peanuts.

[iHap]

who needs master cleanse to clean your colon out when you should do what i do....order some taco bell and for dessert eat some boiled peanuts.
Holy hell...it's the best way to go, and sometimes painful.

[Bone]

Took a class on health and nutrition last semester and we had a dietitian come in and speak about the master cleanse and a few other extreme diet fads and she pretty much said this is one of the worst things you can do to your body... just a FYI. I duno, I tend to trust trained professionals =/

I agree with you, it's a load of crap, pun intended. I watched a couple people go through this and they did not appear the better for it, aside from the temporary weight loss. The greying appearance of their complexion was a tipoff that they just weren't doing anything healthy for themselves.

[LongStepMantis]

These products always make me think of that infomercial where the guy is like "See this 10 foot rope that looks like a black snake?...It came out of my ass!" :D

[Karak]

I always hear the positive experiences on TV and shit.
However no on in any group I have ever met has been happy with the Master Cleanse. That involves maybe over 1000 sports professionals and another 300 co-workers. I would say if you want to cut solid foods go for it, but eat healthy and ignore this old shit.
The dude was SOOOO broken in his thoughts when he made that anyway.

[Bone]

Thankfully I have never seen that commercial! But this does remind me of those commercials for the foot pads that promise to remove toxins from your body, through your feet.

These cleansing products are very effective in cleansing the toxins from your wallet, however.

[Radioguy9698]

Holy hell...it's the best way to go, and sometimes painful.


the house may not smell nice for a few days, but it gets the job done...and sometimes i end up losing 10 pounds..

[Everyone vs Dinosaurs]

No. It the thing where you drink cat pee.

Gotcha. :)

[Johan]

I had a colonic once. Prior to having it done, I would periodically have very, very intense discomfort in my intestinal tract. After having just one of them, it was gone. It was a liberating experience; I had so much toxic content in there, that as the water was moving in I could feel wave upon wave of nausea sweeping over me, then to be washed out.

Well worth it, though disgusting.

[LongStepMantis]

I had a colonic once. Prior to having it done, I would periodically have very, very intense discomfort in my intestinal tract. After having just one of them, it was gone. It was a liberating experience; I had so much toxic content in there, that as the water was moving in I could feel wave upon wave of nausea sweeping over me, then to be washed out.

Well worth it, though disgusting.

I've considered having one, as my digestive system is a damn mess.
It's not exactly something I'm comfortable about having done though. Just out of curiosity, and feel free not to answer, but how much did the procedure cost?

[Young Al Capone]

Just drink some phosphosoda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phospho_soda) and call it a day. Having to take that stuff in preperation for surgery left me... I don't know, ravaged seems like an appropriate description.

[Chill]

Just drink some phosphosoda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phospho_soda) and call it a day. Having to take that stuff in preperation for surgery left me... I don't know, ravaged seems like an appropriate description.

Oh god. That shit is so horrible I still remember the taste of it. And, yes, "ravaged" is very appropriate.

I have severe digestive problems and have been working with a naturopathic physician, who also has a degree in nutrition from Cornell, and he has also warned me about these "cleansing" programs. He has me on a anti-inflammatory diet, which has been wonderful. Better than anything I've tried before, but I'll be living/eating like this for the rest of my life. Short-term/temporary regiments (IMO) have no lasting beneficial effect.

[civil]

After reading some more and meeting people who did the cleanse to the letter I've decided to go ahead and do it. I'll start the process either tomorrow or Thursday. If my posting decreases, it'll be because I'm too weak to type!

[Young Al Capone]

After reading some more and meeting people who did the cleanse to the letter I've decided to go ahead and do it. I'll start the process either tomorrow or Thursday. If my posting decreases, it'll be because I'm too weak to type!

Well, be careful there civil, this sounds potentially dangerous to me.

[Xerxes]

10 days with no food?

[civil]

Thanks YAC. I'm really getting into the extreme nature of the cleanse.

And Xerxes, more importantly 10 days with NO FRAPPUCINNOS. :eek:

[Cit Phil Cit]

I have decided that my digestive system has been millions of years in the making, and although it isn't perfect - there is nothing I can do, except eating well and regular exercise that can make it better.

[Xerxes]

Thanks YAC. I'm really getting into the extreme nature of the cleanse.

And Xerxes, more importantly 10 days with NO FRAPPUCINNOS. :eek:

Naw... I'm stuck on meat. I can go over a year without a frap.

[civil]

Naw... I'm stuck on meat. I can go over a year without a fap.
Sorry man. I couldn't resist. :o


EDIT: This is actually a transition for my becoming vegan.

[Young Al Capone]

Naw... I'm stuck on meat. I can go over a year without a frap.

Over a year without a fap? But why?

[civil]

Only by seconds, Young Al. Only by seconds.

[Xerxes]

Over a year without a fap? But why?

I gave up soda(traded for tea), fast food(traded for sandwiches and homecooked food), fraps(traded for smaller sized fruit smoothies), and fried food(traded for grilled). If I had exercised a lot more during that year I'd probably be better off now.

[Cit Phil Cit]

My only real question is, why the hell do you hate plants so much that you've decided to exclusively prey upon them? Are they too alien for you, so you can ignore the fact that you are killing them, and in many cases eating them alive? These poor plants are ripped from the ground, have they feeding roots chopped off and then thrown - in a partially dying state into a freezing chamber to keep them "fresh" for you to dine upon!

You are HORRIBLE!

[Johan]

how much did the procedure cost?

It has been many years, but I believe it was in the range of $100 or so.

It's not that bad, really. Tube in the sphincter, warm water is moved in, then evacuated...multiple times. Out goes the bad stuff!

I truly, truly felt like a different man. Now, I think I need another one, however...

[Young Al Capone]

Only by seconds, Young Al. Only by seconds.

That is all it takes though, that is all it takes.


I gave up soda(traded for tea), fast food(traded for sandwiches and homecooked food), fraps(traded for smaller sized fruit smoothies), and fried food(traded for grilled). If I had exercised a lot more during that year I'd probably be better off now.

Ah, a health thing, I understand. Actually it was a joke to begin with, but I digress. Over the last year I have been trying to eat better myself, tonight I add red wine to the list. I wonder how much I am supposed to drink, I have read anywhere from 10 to 24 ounces daily. 24 ounces on wine in one shot seems like a bad call, at least if I have to go anywhere afterwards.

[crazyD]

This is actually a transition for my becoming vegan.

Isn't that really bad for you as well? Why are you doing it? Moral concerns? Dating a vegan chick?

[Xerxes]

It has been many years, but I believe it was in the range of $100 or so.

It's not that bad, really. Tube in the sphincter, warm water is moved in, then evacuated...multiple times. Out goes the bad stuff!

I truly, truly felt like a different man. Now, I think I need another one, however...

Sounds like you were violated. :(

[Xerxes]

Ah, a health thing, I understand. Actually it was a joke to begin with, but I digress. Over the last year I have been trying to eat better myself, tonight I add red wine to the list. I wonder how much I am supposed to drink, I have read anywhere from 10 to 24 ounces daily. 24 ounces on wine in one shot seems like a bad call, at least if I have to go anywhere afterwards.

I think when you pass out, you've had to much wine.

[Young Al Capone]

I think when you pass out, you've had to much wine.

Ah, so pass out tonight, and back off little by little from there to find a suitible amount.

[civil]

My only real question is, why the hell do you hate plants so much that you've decided to exclusively prey upon them? Are they too alien for you, so you can ignore the fact that you are killing them, and in many cases eating them alive? These poor plants are ripped from the ground, have they feeding roots chopped off and then thrown - in a partially dying state into a freezing chamber to keep them "fresh" for you to dine upon!

You are HORRIBLE!
That's why I'm eventually switching to baby brains. The food we all agree on.

Isn't that really bad for you as well? Why are you doing it? Moral concerns? Dating a vegan chick?
It's a combination of ethics (human and animal), health and getting into a girl's pants.





Not really. Well, the first two reasons yes. And my GF is actually switching to veganism for me.

[pseudopseudo]

Ah, so pass out tonight, and back off little by little from there to find a suitible amount.

If you think about it logically, 24 oz. of wine is the same as two beers. (1 can = 12 oz.) So if 24 oz. worth of wine gets you THAT drunk... sir, you win the lightweight championship of the world. :D

[crazyD]

It's a combination of ethics (human and animal), health and getting into a girl's pants.





Not really. Well, the first two reasons yes. And my GF is actually switching to veganism for me.

But isn't it unhealthy to cut out large portions of a natural human diet? And where are your ethics now (http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/08/plant_pain.html)?

[NoName]

But isn't it unhealthy to cut out large portions of a natural human diet? And where are your ethics now (http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/08/plant_pain.html)?

Wow, that's an old article right there. I love that site :D.

[Young Al Capone]

If you think about it logically, 24 oz. of wine is the same as two beers. (1 can = 12 oz.) So if 24 oz. worth of wine gets you THAT drunk... sir, you win the lightweight championship of the world. :D

Huh? You realize that wine has much more alcohol in it than beer does right (http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data2j.html)? About 5 oz of wine is equal to 12 ounces of beer. So it is actually closer to five beers.

That is enough to make me second guess going out for a joy ride in my '96 Chevy Corsica. You and your loved ones can thank me later.

[Spectre-7]

If you think about it logically, 24 oz. of wine is the same as two beers. (1 can = 12 oz.) So if 24 oz. worth of wine gets you THAT drunk... sir, you win the lightweight championship of the world. :D

Not quite. Most domestic beers hover around 10 proof, while wines tend to range from 16-32 proof. So, that 24 oz. of wine is like 38-76 oz. of beer, depending on what you're drinking.

Cheers!

[civil]

I'm on day three right now, following the program to the letter, and I feel great. Surprisingly I'm not hungry, though occasionally I get a hunger pang. But then I swig some of my magic potion and I feel sated.

Honestly, I would totally recommend this to people. It's not that difficult and I'm already seeing benefits. The only drawback is that, according to the missus, my breath has taken on a distinct aroma. But that just means I brush my teeth/tongue several times a day.

[Young Al Capone]

Good to hear you haven't passed out at the wheel or something.

So what feels better? And what is the aroma? Lemons, I assume, which shouldn't be offensive to anyone, anywhere, as the refreshing smell of lemons is lemony fresh.

[crazyD]

"Feels good" and "Actually good for you" are two completely different things. Here's to hoping this doesn't cause too much long term damage!

[civil]

Good to hear you haven't passed out at the wheel or something.

So what feels better? And what is the aroma? Lemons, I assume, which shouldn't be offensive to anyone, anywhere, as the refreshing smell of lemons is lemony fresh.
I haven't even felt weak. On the contrary, I feel "lighter" if that makes sense. Not in a purely physical way, but in a metaphorical one as well. After day two I realized how much of a typical day is scheduled around food - get up, eat, go to work. Many of us look forward to lunch as a way to break our work day up. And dinner, wondering (if you live with someone) what you'll have for dinner that night, and if you have the goods to make it.

For the past two days, my time has felt more open. Freed from things. I know it sounds hokey and perhaps it points to my own attitudes toward food, but I feel a sense of freedom that I can't accurately explain other than through cliches.

As for the aroma...well, according to the GF it's a dry, pungent smell. It's normal when going through a detox/cleanse, but that doesn't make me any easier to kiss. Especially during Business Time.

"Feels good" and "Actually good for you" are two completely different things. Here's to hoping this doesn't cause too much long term damage!
I disagree. Since I lost 75 pounds (and have kept them off) I have become much more in tune with my body than ever before. I know right away when I eat something or do something to my body that isn't beneficial. For the most part I've cut out "junk" foods for the past five years of my life, but when I indulge my body lets me know. Your body speaks volumes to you, if you only would listen to it. When I weighed 250 pounds I didn't give a shit what it was saying to me. I just knew that I wanted to eat, to emotionally compensate with food.

At the age of 40, I feel a connection with my physical well-being that I never did before. It's almost a re-birth. My body, my temple. If I was doing something harmful to it, I would know.

[crazyD]

I disagree. Since I lost 75 pounds (and have kept them off) I have become much more in tune with my body than ever before. I know right away when I eat something or do something to my body that isn't beneficial. For the most part I've cut out "junk" foods for the past five years of my life, but when I indulge my body lets me know. Your body speaks volumes to you, if you only would listen to it. When I weighed 250 pounds I didn't give a shit what it was saying to me. I just knew that I wanted to eat, to emotionally compensate with food.

At the age of 40, I feel a connection with my physical well-being that I never did before. It's almost a re-birth. My body, my temple. If I was doing something harmful to it, I would know.

Spiritual mumbo jumbo. Got it. My body tells me it likes to be drunk, but I know that I need to keep in moderation. A quick Google search tells me that doctors disagree with your body's opinion.

[civil]

Oh, I totally recommend it for you, crazyD. From your posts it sounds as if your bowels could use a good cleansing.

[Rakael]

These things are complete bullshit. Stay far away from the "cleansing" programs. If you wish to cleanse your body, switch to nothing but water and foods light in fat. Of course the foods should also contain absolutely no preservatives and the like. Try a rice, chicken, and fish diet with steamed vegetables coupled with only water to drink for about a month. Let your body do the detox work for you, as it was sort of designed to do it.

[crazyD]

Oh, I totally recommend it for you, crazyD. From your posts it sounds as if your bowels could use a good cleansing.

My liver takes care of my detox just fine, thank you. And I cleansed by bowels the natural way just last night.

[Bone]

Yeah, civil, I hate to agree with CrazyD on this but I have had many people recommend against this kind of thing. Doctors and nutritionists. We do have systems in place to cleanse our bodies, we've done so for many thousands of years.

It's your body though, I hope it works out for you.

[crazyD]

...I hate to agree with CrazyD...

Why would you hate to agree with me? I LOVE agreeing with me.

[civil]

Yeah, civil, I hate to agree with CrazyD on this but I have had many people recommend against this kind of thing. Doctors and nutritionists. We do have systems in place to cleanse our bodies, we've done so for many thousands of years.

It's your body though, I hope it works out for you.
I agree that our bodies are naturally made for this. But I also feel that we pump our bodies with so much that is unnatural that our "normal" systems don't know how to cope.

Our bodies were not "created" to deal with the amount of preservatives, additives and artificial things that are in nearly all foods we deal with on a daily basis. The notion that our bodies deal with these things as easily as they did 100 years ago is, in my estimation, untrue. So I don't mind going through 10 days of fasting to cleanse my body, especially if during the process I truly don't feel any negative side effects. When I come out of the cleanse, I intend to eat as close to raw, unprocessed and organic as I can.

Shit, I'm off to the gym right now after being on this for three days, and I'm fucking excited to go.

EDIT: My GF comes from a family of doctors, and they've all done some sort of fast (though for different reasons) from 3 to 7 days in the past. Their opinion: Monitor your body, be good about your nutritional intake and ease out of it and you will be fine.

[crazyD]

I agree that our bodies are naturally made for this. But I also feel that we pump our bodies with so much that is unnatural that our "normal" systems don't know how to cope.

Feelings aren't science. Back this up with some independent research, and I will cede the point that it is at least debatable.

[Bone]

Why would you hate to agree with me? I LOVE agreeing with me.I agreed with your opinion but not your approach.

[crazyD]

My approach is awesome! I receive nothing but complements about my approaching skills! In fact, you could say that said skills, pay the bills.

[civil]

Feelings aren't science. Back this up with some independent research, and I will cede the point that it is at least debatable.
You will cede? Goodness, I've been waiting for that!

But I don't think I will "back anything up". If I felt you were worth discussing this with then I might. But you're not really my type of poster, Mr. D: With an obvious provocative agenda and a tendency to indulge your own sense of self-worth in rather boring way I'll pass on your very generous offer to validate my choices.

I'm sure somewhere, a pre-pubescent teen is looking exactly for the type of laughable approval you offer. Run to him! Otherwise, he might not know just how smart you are. And neither might you, for that matter. Oh the tragedy.

[Spacetronaut]

How many times did you have this argument over at EvAv? I'd think you'd all be getting tired of it by now.

[crazyD]

You will cede? Goodness, I've been waiting for that!

But I don't think I will "back anything up". If I felt you were worth discussing this with then I might. But you're not really my type of poster, Mr. D: With an obvious provocative agenda and a tendency to indulge your own sense of self-worth in rather boring way I'll pass on your very generous offer to validate my choices.

I'm sure somewhere, a pre-pubescent teen is looking exactly for the type of laughable approval you offer. Run to him! Otherwise, he might not know just how smart you are. And neither might you, for that matter. Oh the tragedy.

Hah! Playing the class card. Nice way of ducking out of an argument you cannot win with logic. All right, I'm done anyway, your choice, either way.

[MagGnome]

Isn't that really bad for you as well? Why are you doing it? Moral concerns? Dating a vegan chick?

This is totally not true. A well balanced vegan diet is perfectly healthy.



Speaking of colons/digestion - I used to get horrible stomach cramps quite often. I haven't had a single one since going vegan, and I am really glad they are gone.

My bowel movements are also absolutely fucking awesome now. :D

[MagGnome]

I disagree. Since I lost 75 pounds (and have kept them off) I have become much more in tune with my body than ever before. I know right away when I eat something or do something to my body that isn't beneficial. For the most part I've cut out "junk" foods for the past five years of my life, but when I indulge my body lets me know. Your body speaks volumes to you, if you only would listen to it. When I weighed 250 pounds I didn't give a shit what it was saying to me. I just knew that I wanted to eat, to emotionally compensate with food.

At the age of 40, I feel a connection with my physical well-being that I never did before. It's almost a re-birth. My body, my temple. If I was doing something harmful to it, I would know.



I totally hear where you are coming from. I feel very in tune with my body, and that definitely wasn't the case just a few short years ago.

I know that others hear their bodies, but they ignore what their "gut" is telling them. My coworkers complain about feeling like crap all the time, yet they continue to stuff themselves with crap day in and day out. It doesn't make sense to me.

[crazyD]

This is totally not true. A well balanced vegan diet is perfectly healthy.

Just asking, wasn't sure on that one, and didn't want to do the research. I guess if you get your protein and everything from other sources, it could be fine.

[MagGnome]

Just asking, wasn't sure on that one, and didn't want to do the research. I guess if you get your protein and everything from other sources, it could be fine.

Indeed. There are plenty of plant protein sources - beans, soy "products" (tofu, soymilk, tempeh, etc) as well as various vegetables and grains.

[civil]

Day Nine.

So far, my energy level has remained constant. The only noticeable difference is that normally I'm a 4-5 hours of sleep a night kind of person. For the past few days I've been more like 5-7, which has meant I actually get to go to bed with the GF at the same time (she's an early to bed kinda gal).

Hunger has evolved into an entirely different beast. Rather than being based in cravings and yearnings, I now just seem to need energy. Specific foods don't hold the temptations that they did, but I'm sure that will change once I go back to eating solid food on Sunday. There is a sense of remembering what food was like but not really missing it. Food is like a friend you once knew who provided you some good times when you were together but if s/he isn't around you don't miss them.

Today and tomorrow, then it's a day of orange juice and finally on Sunday I begin to introduce solid food into my system again. I understand now why people will sometimes feel they can go on for another few weeks (some go as long as 40 days) after reaching the first few days. At this point, I really do feel like eating has been taken out of my daily equation and reintroducing it will be interesting, maybe even feel foreign. To know what it feels like again to chew. To taste. To share meals. That will be good.

I would definitely recommend this, but only if you're willing to let it wash over you. And through you, for that matter.

[Young Al Capone]

Good to hear that it worked out for you. Did you lose any weight or anything like that? How about detoxified, do you feel less toxified?

Oh yeah, and this Sunday you are going full on vegan right?

[civil]

Good to hear that it worked out for you. Did you lose any weight or anything like that? How about detoxified, do you feel less toxified?

Oh yeah, and this Sunday you are going full on vegan right?
Hermano,

I did lost two belt notches (supposedly that's around 15 or so pounds) but I'd be a fool to think that won't come back once I'm eating again. Those who do this to lose weight are doing it for the wrong reason, IMO. It's not a lifestyle change, which is what is required to any permanent loss. I do feel "less toxic", but the most important thing is that it has made me want to be very aware - and very careful - about what I put into my body. So much so that I am seriously considering limiting my whiskey intake - which is my daily libation - to once a month or so and switching my alcohol intake to organic wine on a moderate level. My body feels lighter (regardless of weight loss) and "cleaner", so my mail goal was achieved.

And yes, I do go vegan Sunday though technically this whole process is a vegan one. My GF (who is not vegan but a conscientious omnivore who east vegetarian at home) already has next week's meals planned, as she's been lonely at mealtime lately.

[NoName]

I'm glad to hear everything worked out.

And to anyone saying this is a bad idea, do you see the kind of pictures Civil finds on the internet? If anyone needed a master cleanse it's this person. :D

[Goronmon]

Rather than being based in cravings and yearnings, I now just seem to need energy.Yeah, it's called starvation. :p

[civil]

Yeah, it's called starvation. :p
Hey you, less tits more bear.

[Young Al Capone]

Hermano,

I did lost two belt notches (supposedly that's around 15 or so pounds) but I'd be a fool to think that won't come back once I'm eating again. Those who do this to lose weight are doing it for the wrong reason, IMO. It's not a lifestyle change, which is what is required to any permanent loss. I do feel "less toxic", but the most important thing is that it has made me want to be very aware - and very careful - about what I put into my body. So much so that I am seriously considering limiting my whiskey intake - which is my daily libation - to once a month or so and switching my alcohol intake to organic wine on a moderate level. My body feels lighter (regardless of weight loss) and "cleaner", so my mail goal was achieved.

And yes, I do go vegan Sunday though technically this whole process is a vegan one. My GF (who is not vegan but a conscientious omnivore who east vegetarian at home) already has next week's meals planned, as she's been lonely at mealtime lately.

Hermano, I like that, makes me feel loved and welcomed.

Again, it is good that it all worked out for you and that you are happy with the results. About the whiskey, I recently cut out everything but red wine, and it isn't so bad really, and I used to be big on Jameson. I just always want to drink a lot more than I know I should.

I have been trying to eat better myself, but this is a little much for me, I am not sure I have it in me to not eat for a full day much less ten. Though just a couple of years ago I was going full days without eating, it just wasn't by choice.