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Sandman
10-05-2008, 09:54 PM
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Metallica's St. Anger album. I hated it when I first heard it and still have some hatred for it to this day....no bass and that damn snare drum. But I finally get it and I'm starting to dig it. It was Metallica's attempt at hardcore. Only problem was nobody wanted that from them...they aren't Hatebreed or Madball or any group like that. I'm still having problems with that snare but songs like Frantic, Unnamed Feeling and Dirty Window are creeping back into my playlists. Just thought I'd share that revelation I've had.
Nameless
10-05-2008, 09:57 PM
I am happy for you.

Suddenly appreciating something you failed to notice the first time is a wonderful feeling.

Even if it is St. Anger.
quidmonkey
10-05-2008, 09:59 PM
10000 Days is kinda the shit.
Sandman
10-05-2008, 10:01 PM
I am happy for you.

Suddenly appreciating something you failed to notice the first time is a wonderful feeling.

Even if it is St. Anger.

I just wish they would re-record it with an actual bass player. The songs sound alot better live. You don't even hear the snare drum on most of the performances.
Nameless
10-05-2008, 10:07 PM
I just wish they would re-record it with an actual bass player. The songs sound alot better live. You don't even hear the snare drum on most of the performances.

I imagine that it's great live because they're using a goddamn normal snare drum. No annoying drum rattles there.

I can't say that I understood why they decided to go with a crappy-sounding drum kit, no bass and no solos as an idea to sell an album.
Sandman
10-05-2008, 10:15 PM
I imagine that it's great live because they're using a goddamn normal snare drum. No annoying drum rattles there.

I can't say that I understood why they decided to go with a crappy-sounding drum kit, no bass and no solos as an idea to sell an album.

They had no bass because there was no bass player, and the drums were loud because Lars probably demanded it and Bob Rock gave it to him. I can live with no solos though if the songs are good.
Sandman
10-05-2008, 10:21 PM
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This is a recent live performance of Frantic from last month. Even sounds better on a crappy recording like this.
TheEpicOfTyler
10-05-2008, 10:23 PM
Metallica has always been influenced by hardcore music, but I don't' think St. Anger was an attempt at a hardcore album. I think the general consensus is that St. Anger was Metallica's attempt to fit in with the young guns of 'metal' around then. Which unfortunately was pretty talentless non-imaginative trash.
Sandman
10-05-2008, 10:27 PM
Metallica has always been influenced by hardcore music, but I don't' think St. Anger was an attempt at a hardcore album. I think the general consensus is that St. Anger was Metallica's attempt to fit in with the young guns of 'metal' around then. Which unfortunately was pretty talentless non-imaginative trash.

Metallica had been listening to the wrong young guns then if that was the case. It has more in common with a hardcore album than anything else to me. Just a poorly produced one.
Deadend
10-06-2008, 08:06 AM
Metallica started going downhill when I was learning to read. By the time I had my drivers license they were fairly shit.
fitbabits
10-06-2008, 08:35 AM
Curiously enough I was listening to Mandatory Metallica on XFM (I rented a car last week with free XM) and the difference between St. Anger and everything else was marked. I have no fucking idea what they were thinking when they recorded it - I guess only they know.

I went out on a limb back when St. Anger was released and said that I liked it, and I still do, but I prefer to look at it as a one-off.
Lance Uppercut
10-06-2008, 08:37 AM
I maybe liked Frantic and St. Anger, but I couldn't listen to the rest of it. I still can't.
TheEpicOfTyler
10-06-2008, 09:46 AM
Metallica had been listening to the wrong young guns then if that was the case. It has more in common with a hardcore album than anything else to me. Just a poorly produced one.

I'm not trying to sound elitist or anything, but I don't think you understand much about hardcore if you think that St. Anger is a hardcore sounding album.

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A good, not the best, showing of what hardcore sounds like.

I don't think there is much resemblance at all. Bands like Hatebreed may have been hardcore bands in their beginnings, but Hatebreed has long ago crossed into the realms of metal.