The "Humanity is Screwed Up" Thread.

[Ink Asylum]

It's been a couple days since our last "WTF?" story, so here's something to kick off a thread for all those tales of seemingly normal humans doing batshit crazy things.

One-night stand man wakes to find lover has carved her name into his arm (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1136287/One-night-stand-man-wakes-lover-carved-arm.html)

Short story: Man has one night stand, drinks vodka and takes Valium, sleeps through the girl hacking at him with a knife, wakes up covered with blood with her asleep beside him, gets the fuck out of there.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/05/article-0-034EF2FA000005DC-131_468x286.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/05/article-0-034EF373000005DC-266_224x251.jpg

[pronounconnoun]

A match made in heaven.

[iHap]

Where's the smiley face? FAIL

[pomeroy]

See, that one isn't nearly as bad as the other ones that were getting posted.

[Ink Asylum]

They don't all have to be horrifyingly depressing. I just can't understand how someone can do that to a sleeping person in the middle of the night then go to sleep next to them as if nothing happened.

[Telefrog]

At least she didn't misspell it or make it illegible.

[pronounconnoun]

At least she didn't misspell it or make it illegible.

That makes it easier for the police report.

[rvieira]

And she is beautiful, but crazy …

[Urizen]

lust hurts?

[Voodoo]

Good thing it was his arms and not his wanker.

[Johan]

Good thing it was his arms and not his wanker.

Probably not enough room for such a "long" name. :D

And this story HARDLY fits the "Humanity is Screwed Up" moniker. This is chump-change compared to real stories of horror.

[Voodoo]

Probably not enough room for such a "long" name. :D

And this story HARDLY fits the "Humanity is Screwed Up" moniker. This is chump-change compared to real stories of horror.

For instance, she could have been using his skin to cook up some bacon for breakfast in bed.

[Generation ABXY]

Better than a penis on his cheek, I guess.

[violent]

That guy needs to stop being such a wuss.

[MalReynolds]

crazy bitch Oo

[Ox]

They don't all have to be horrifyingly depressing. I just can't understand how someone can do that to a sleeping person in the middle of the night then go to sleep next to them as if nothing happened.
You're not a woman.

[DoctorFinger]

They don't all have to be horrifyingly depressing. I just can't understand how someone can do that to a sleeping person in the middle of the night then go to sleep next to them as if nothing happened."I don't trust anything that can bleed for five straight days and not die..."

[Voodoo]

You're not a woman.
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[biosc1]

Beauty, Smarts, Sanity.

Choose two.

[Bingley Joe]

Good job, guys! For once you unleashed your idiotic, misogynist drivel on a thread where it can be considered on-topic.

[MagGnome]

He's good looking, which means he's most likely dumb as a post. This story confirms my suspicions.

[Aggort]

Totally took my idea! (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=5320)

[Ox]

Good job, guys! For once you unleashed your idiotic, misogynist drivel on a thread where it can be considered on-topic.
Hey! My misogynist drivel is clever and incisive, thank you.

[Johan]

Hey! My misogynist drivel is clever and incisive, thank you.

:confused:

You're not a woman.

Pithy, yes. The rest? You've done better! :)

[Shrinn]

Beauty, Smarts, Sanity.

Choose two.

I thought it was "Looks, Intelligence, Single, choose two." Now we have to add in sanity? Fuck!

Also, guy probably accidentally put it in her butt. This was just her getting revenge.

[Generation ABXY]

I thought it was "Looks, Intelligence, Single, choose two." Now we have to add in sanity? Fuck!

We go with the three Bs: Brains, beauty or bargain.

...

We have a lot of hookers.

[biosc1]

Beauty, Smarts, Sanity
Looks, Intelligence, Single
Brains, Beauty, Bargain.

Mix that up and get:

Beauty, Intelligence, Sanity, Single, Bargain.

Choose 3.

How's that for a compromise?

So, you can have a single, sane, beauty who is less intelligent and not cheap.

Or

A cheap, sane, single girl who lacks intelligence and beauty. (a real winner)

Or

A beautiful, intelligent, single girl who lacks sanity and has expensive tastes...

[Bad Buddha]

Or

A beautiful, intelligent, single girl who lacks sanity and has expensive tastes...
...and a utility knife!

[Shrinn]

...and a utility knife!

It slices, it dices, it even slapchops!
You're gonna love my nuts!

[Narradisall]

Why couldn't it be a short name......

Also, how the fuck does this not wake you?

[ClannerDelta]

Why couldn't it be a short name......

Also, how the fuck does this not wake you?

He told police he had drunk vodka and taken Valium and was not awake during the incident on the night of June 14 last year.

Vodka and Valium. Need more be said? :p

[Narradisall]

Vodka and Valium. Need more be said? :p

Ah, missed that bit. No wonder...

[Generation ABXY]

Perhaps not as horrifying as, say, throwing your kid off a bridge, but no less screwed up (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1141267/Saudi-judge-sentences-pregnant-gang-rape-victim-100-lashes-committing-adultery.html):

A Saudi judge has ordered a woman should be jailed for a year and receive 100 lashes after she was gang-raped, it was claimed last night.

...

He ruled she had committed adultery - despite not even being married - and handed down a year's prison sentence, which she will serve in a prison just outside the city.

She is still pregnant and will be flogged once she has had the child.


Much as I’d like to think I’m tolerant and understanding of other lifestyles, I have to admit, sometimes the Middle East just leaves me scratching my head...

[Johan]

Much as I’d like to think I’m tolerant and understanding of other lifestyles, I have to admit, sometimes the Middle East just leaves me scratching my head...

The Taliban cut off a Polish engineer's head a bit ago. Apparently, he was committing the horrific offense of trying to develop the country's infrastructure.

[ClannerDelta]

Much as I’d like to think I’m tolerant and understanding of other lifestyles, I have to admit, sometimes the Middle East just leaves me scratching my head...

The way many countries in the Middle East treat their women is exactly why they are seen by many Americans to be a bunch of social retards.

I suppose we can be thankful they are waiting until she has the child to lash her. :(

[Rock Bandit]

13 year old boy now a dad. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece)

Baby-faced Alfie, who is 13 but looks more like eight, became a father four days ago when his girlfriend Chantelle Steadman gave birth to 7lb 3oz Maisie Roxanne.

The shy lad, whose voice has not yet broken, said: “I thought it would be good to have a baby.

“I didn’t think about how we would afford it. I don’t really get pocket money. My dad sometimes gives me £10.”

Maisie was conceived after Chantelle and Alfie — just 12 at the time — had a single night of unprotected sex.

http://i44.tinypic.com/29mnc50.jpg

[Generation ABXY]

13 year old boy now a dad. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece)



http://i44.tinypic.com/29mnc50.jpg

Okay, yeah, someone buy that kid a fake moustache and some lifts, because otherwise that is just too darn creepy for me bear.

EDIT: And...now I've seen the mother. I think it is going to be creepy no matter what you do to the kid. :confused:

[MagGnome]

I just read that whole article on the young father. What a classy family. ;)

He's even allowed to stay over night at his girlfriend's house now!

[TheCuriousLittleOyster]

You're not a woman.

You would get along with my partner...his pet names for me are "Eva Braun" and "Angel of Death"

[Rock Bandit]

Okay, yeah, someone buy that kid a fake moustache

http://i41.tinypic.com/i1egwp.jpg

[Generation ABXY]

http://i41.tinypic.com/i1egwp.jpg

Oh, he's French. See, now this whole thing is starting to make perfect sense!

EDIT: Or is it Italian? Because, if you put a striped shirt on him, he could easily be pushing a gondola around (albeit in clear violation of some child labor laws).

You would get along with my partner...his pet names for me are "Eva Braun" and "Angel of Death"

Sounds like a real charmer...in a bizarre sort of let's-go-cut-ourselves way. :p

[TheCuriousLittleOyster]

No...he's not a self-harmer...he's just been in a relationship with a women for 6 years...which isn't that different in retrospect...

He shouldn't complain so much! I let him touch it occasionally.

[Xerxes]

No angry sex afterwards?

[boratika]

No...he's not a self-harmer...he's just been in a relationship with a women for 6 years...which isn't that different in retrospect...

He shouldn't complain so much! I let him touch it occasionally.

By "it" I presume you of course mean the Stone of Scone/Destiny:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f66/boratika/stoneofscone.jpg*

Why that should be in your possession is beyond me. But it does settle the question of whether or not the one in use is a fake.

*Depicted stone is of fake/replica stone.

[Bingley Joe]

By "it" I presume you of course mean the Stone of Scone/Destiny]

I prefer the Scone of Destiny

http://www.longorshortcapital.com/blogger/GJ%2520Scone.jpg

[violent]

I'm partial to the Pick f Destiny myself.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3/thepickofdestinyvl8.jpg

[Sl1pstream]

Ugh.

Last night Michaela Aston, of the [CENSORED TO AVOID THAT DISCUSSION] charity LIFE, said: “We commend these teenagers for their courage in bringing their child into the world.

“At the same time this is symptomatic of the over-sexualisation of our youngsters and shows the policy of value-free sex education just isn’t working.”

So while they're congratulating these kids and basically telling them how good of a job they've done, they're blaming sex education? Instead of getting angry at these kids and their parents?

[Johan]

[CENSORED TO AVOID THAT DISCUSSION]

I'll be good. I promise. :)

[Sl1pstream]

Heh.

Just heh. And lol.

[Generation ABXY]

Ugh.

So while they're congratulating these kids and basically telling them how good of a job they've done, they're blaming sex education? Instead of getting angry at these kids and their parents?

I think they were applauding them for making the best of a bad situation, saying they were courageous for not taking the easy way out. And, speaking of which, having sex education in school certainly provides an easy way out for the parents. While I certainly think a large portion of the blame sits with the parents and the kids themselves, giving them this knowledge without the reinforcement of family values is somewhat akin to teaching a kid how to use a gun and then saying, “Point it at whatever you want; we’ve got hospitals and bulletproof vests!” It doesn’t give them any sort of compunction needed to make a wise decision.

Now, am I saying sex education shouldn’t exist? No, but I do think parents need to have more of an involvement in the process, and the system as it is doesn’t provide any incentive for that.

[Sl1pstream]

I think they were applauding them for making the best of a bad situation, saying they were courageous for not taking the easy way out.

The easy way out? This kid should be given up for adoption if it hasn't already while these kids should spend some time in the corner and sent to bed without dinner. Do you really think a 13 year old is capable of raising a child?

[Generation ABXY]

The easy way out? This kid should be given up for adoption if it hasn't already while these kids should spend some time in the corner and sent to bed without dinner. Do you really think a 13 year old is capable of raising a child?

I meant (as I believe they did) the easy way as in an abortion, which I assume was the censored bit...unless you were just really deadest against discussing adoption when you posted your earlier excerpt.

[Ink Asylum]

While I certainly think a large portion of the blame sits with the parents and the kids themselves, giving them this knowledge without the reinforcement of family values is somewhat akin to teaching a kid how to use a gun and then saying, “Point it at whatever you want; we’ve got hospitals and bulletproof vests!” It doesn’t give them any sort of compunction needed to make a wise decision.

Teenagers already have the "gun," and they certainly know how to use it! Show me a teenager that doesn't know you have to put Tab A in Slot B.

I've never seen any reported study that kids who are given comprehensive sex education are MORE likely to have sex than those that remain ignorant. What does happen, though, is that the chances are greater that the sex which happens will involve protection. Using a condom during sex is a "wise decision," even if you think the sex itself is unwise.

I know your point is that parents should be more involved, but how would you make that happen? In the absence of that would you say sex education is better than nothing?

[boratika]

I'm pretty sure there have been numerous studdies showing chavs are more likely to get teen pregnant.

[Generation ABXY]

I know your point is that parents should be more involved, but how would you make that happen? In the absence of that would you say sex education is better than nothing?

Well, as I pointed out in the section you omitted, I said I am not saying that we shouldn’t have sex education. So, I think it would be safe to infer that, yes, I do believe it is better than nothing. However, again, as I mentioned, I do believe parents should be more involved in the process; I’m not sure exactly how I’d go about that. Off hand, I’d suggest something similar to our policy on vaccinations, where your child cannot attend class without having them. Only, instead of a shot, we require parents to at least attend a small course, even if it is just for a couple of hours for one single day (and, of course, we’d offer multiple ones over the course of the summer, on weekdays and weekends, that way they have no excuse not to find time). It doesn’t have to be very involved, but then the subject has at least been broached and there is a window for proper dialogue to begin.

[ShivaX]

The problem with "getting parents involved" is a long running one - parents don't want to be involved. They want the schools to raise their kids for them so they don't have to.

Obviously thats not true of all parents, but its true of enough of them that anything that requires parental involvement is pretty well doomed to fail. Generally speaking if parents are involved then 12 year olds aren't having sex.

I'm personally just afraid of a regression of knowledge, where you get people thinking that if the woman is on top she can't get pregnant and the like (basically the beginning of the movie Kinsey).

[Johan]

The problem with "getting parents involved" is a long running one - parents don't want to be involved. They want the schools to raise their kids for them so they don't have to.

The schools are the dry cleaners, and too many parents drop off little, adorable Jimmy/Janie as an incorrigible, dirty ole mess, expecting to pick him/her up cleaned, pressed, and presentable at the end of the day...

unless they call the school at the end of the day and ask us to KEEP their kid because they're a bit busy now...and then get pissed when that's a problem. This happened with an elementary school child in my state recently. A parent told the school to keep him at school, and off the bus. She would come by after a while and pick him up, but she couldn't be at the bus stop. She'd be there at some point. What's the problem, right?

:Where'sTheRollEyesEmoticonAt?!:

[Ink Asylum]

Girl, 3, raised by dogs in her home after her alcoholic mother neglected her (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1155351/Girl-3-raised-dogs-home-alcoholic-mother-neglected-her.html?ITO=1490)

A three-year-old girl has been found being cared for by dogs while her alcoholic mother neglected her.

Social workers discovered the girl in her mother's house in Russia, naked and walking on all fours, gnawing bones with the dogs who she clung to for warmth.

Another parent of the year contender.

[Generation ABXY]

When dogs and cats (I remember reading about the latter recently, too) can do a job than a kid's actual parents, I start to believe there's something to this thread title.

[Johan]

Then there's this... (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090227/NEWS0107/902270346/1055/NEWS)

:(

[Generation ABXY]

Then there's this... (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090227/NEWS0107/902270346/1055/NEWS)

:(

What is it? (The page just sort of sits in a loading limbo for me.)

[ClannerDelta]

What is it? (The page just sort of sits in a loading limbo for me.)

Some dude was fucking corpses.

[Generation ABXY]

Some dude was fucking corpses.

Normally, I'd assume that was a joke, but in this thread I'll trust that was actually the case. Thanks...I think. O.o

[Ink Asylum]

It is the actual content of the article. A quote.

Deters said he was stunned by so many aspects of the case: sex with a corpse, sex with violently mutilated or damaged bodies, sex with dozens of bodies.

"Frankly, it's frightening. His numbers when he's (talked to authorities) go from one to three or four to 'a lot' to maybe over a hundred," Deters said, quoting Douglas. "I think it's fair to speculate that he's been doing this all the time, when he's able and had the opportunity."

[Generation ABXY]

It is the actual content of the article. A quote.

"Violently mutilated or damaged bodies..."

I'm not even sure any one of the smilies here properly sums up my feelings; can we get one that combines :eek:, :confused:, :( and :mad:?

[Ink Asylum]

I think it calls for a vomiting smiley.

[LongStepMantis]

How about this gem (http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/02/26/Man_ticketed_after_he_was_hit_by_car/UPI-57681235680222/)?

So a bus driver helps two elderly women cross an icy street after disembarking the bus. While doing so, a truck driver can't stop, so the bus driver pushes the elderly women to safety and gets plowed by the truck. He's in the hospital in critical condition.

So what's the best way to reward someone who selflessly endangers his life to save others? A jaywalking ticket by the police. And people actually wonder why others keep walking and look the other way when bad shit happens.

[Generation ABXY]

How about this gem (http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/02/26/Man_ticketed_after_he_was_hit_by_car/UPI-57681235680222/)?

So a bus driver helps two elderly women cross an icy street after disembarking the bus. While doing so, a truck driver can't stop, so the bus driver pushes the elderly women to safety and gets plowed by the truck. He's in the hospital in critical condition.

So what's the best way to reward someone who selflessly endangers his life to save others? A jaywalking ticket by the police. And people actually wonder why others keep walking and look the other way when bad shit happens.

Yeah, I had something of conflicted feelings on this one. On the one hand, it seems like crap that they gave this guy a ticket after he practically saved those other peoples lives. On the other hand...he did kind of put them in danger in the first place. I realize there wasn't another cross walk nearby - and hopefully the city will address either the drop-offs or the crosswalk problems - but that is why we have those.

[LongStepMantis]

Yeah, I had something of conflicted feelings on this one. On the one hand, it seems like crap that they gave this guy a ticket after he practically saved those other peoples lives. On the other hand...he did kind of put them in danger in the first place. I realize there wasn't another cross walk nearby - and hopefully the city will address either the drop-offs or the crosswalk problems - but that is why we have those.

Sigh. I'm not arguing that you aren't right. But no one should be surprised when people won't help you if you get hurt. After all, it's not my problem, right? Kind of like that one video that made the news a while back of a guy bleeding to death on a sidewalk after getting shot/stabbed (I can't recall which) and it was caught on a camera in front of the store. For at least an hour, people walked by him as he called for help. He bled to death on the sidewalk. No one ever bothered looking at him twice.

[Generation ABXY]

Sigh. I'm not arguing that you aren't right. But no one should be surprised when people won't help you if you get hurt. After all, it's not my problem, right? Kind of like that one video that made the news a while back of a guy bleeding to death on a sidewalk after getting shot/stabbed (I can't recall which) and it was caught on a camera in front of the store. For at least an hour, people walked by him as he called for help. He bled to death on the sidewalk. No one ever bothered looking at him twice.

Well, like I said, I'm conflicted on it, too. So, I'm not surprised you're not saying whether I'm right or wrong - I rather cowardly took both positions. :D

I certainly want people to help other people, and it does seem like he shouldn't get a ticket. However, if he had decided to walk them home and took a shortcut through a shooting range, I'm sure most people would simply call him an idiot and probably wouldn't feel an ounce of sorrow if he caught a bullet.

[ClannerDelta]

I certainly want people to help other people, and it does seem like he shouldn't get a ticket. However, if he had decided to walk them home and took a shortcut through a shooting range, I'm sure most people would simply call him an idiot and probably wouldn't feel an ounce of sorrow if he caught a bullet.

No matter what your stance is. He already paid the price for jaywalking. No need to rub it in his face should he recover.

It's stupid from EVERY point of view.

[Johan]

I'm conflicted

You should have that looked at. It sounds painful. :)

[LongStepMantis]

Well, like I said, I'm conflicted on it, too. So, I'm not surprised you're not saying whether I'm right or wrong - I rather cowardly took both positions. :D

I certainly want people to help other people, and it does seem like he shouldn't get a ticket. However, if he had decided to walk them home and took a shortcut through a shooting range, I'm sure most people would simply call him an idiot and probably wouldn't feel an ounce of sorrow if he caught a bullet.

I don't mean to ramble, but I've been thinking about these kinds of things a lot lately, like how Good Samaritans are often treated as fools if their actions don't work out perfectly, by society at large. It makes me sad, both for those involved and at the fact that society seems to get more selfish and cynical every day. But I suppose that's been a loooong time in the making. Combined with the fact that people anymore often don't even know the people that live directly around them, next door to them, anything. Our entire society is so isolated compared to even 50 years ago. It makes being impersonal and detached that much easier.

Like I said, don't mind me.

[Generation ABXY]

I don't mean to ramble, but I've been thinking about these kinds of things a lot lately, like how Good Samaritans are often treated as fools if their actions don't work out perfectly, by society at large. It makes me sad, both for those involved and at the fact that society seems to get more selfish and cynical every day. But I suppose that's been a loooong time in the making. Combined with the fact that people anymore often don't even know the people that live directly around them, next door to them, anything. Our entire society is so isolated compared to even 50 years ago. It makes being impersonal and detached that much easier.

Like I said, don't mind me.

Well, you know what they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

I'm not sure things are changing so much as you, like so many of us, may be getting more and more jaded (that isn't meant as an offense) and resent that fact. I mean, if Good Samaritans were the norm, would we really need a term to describe them? It seems to me, they'd just be people. Mind you, I hope we'll reach such a point some day and I think we have a long way to go, but I'd be hard pressed to say we are moving farther away from it.

[LongStepMantis]

Well, you know what they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

I'm not sure things are changing so much as you, like so many of us, may be getting more and more jaded (that isn't meant as an offense) and resent that fact. I mean, if Good Samaritans were the norm, would we really need a term to describe them? It seems to me, they'd just be people. Mind you, I hope we'll reach such a point some day and I think we have a long way to go, but I'd be hard pressed to say we are moving farther away from it.

Don't worry, no offense taken. And my above statements were more of a rant than anything one should pay any real thought to. It's Friday, it's been a shit week across the board, and stories of genuinely good people getting shafted really piss me off. I'm venting so my weekend isn't shot. :D

My thoughts about that particular case are simply...People jaywalk all the time, everywhere, everyday. And yes, it's illegal and even a ticketable offense. But the guy saved the lives of two people who would likely have both died if they had been in his spot. Isn't the horrible injury enough? Who looks at that scenario and says "This guy deserves a ticket. He can read it when he regains consciousness, if he lives. Jaywalking bastard." Sigh.

As for humanity, I do think we're getting better at most things. I just wish we were further along at this point.

[Johan]

Blessings upon our progressive neighbors to the north. (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96O0PAO0&show_article=1)

Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."

Ridiculous...

[LongStepMantis]

...Note to self, If I ever decide to murder someone, take them to Canada. Then mutilate them, eat parts of them, and keep others as mementos so I appear beyond batshit insane. I can be out on the street in a couple years, apparently.

He gets reviewed for release every year after doing that?! I hope he ends up getting released and moves in next door to the judge. Have fun.

[Johan]

He gets reviewed for release every year after doing that?! I hope he ends up getting released and moves in next door to the judge. Have fun.

Two day trial, two witnesses.

Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses, both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.

I could find two witnesses, with professional degrees no less, that will tell you ANYTHING you want them to say. I could find a hundred such professionals, with impressive degrees, who will deny the Holocaust, for example; one of the most diligently and copiously recorded events in all of human history.

Two witnesses. Two days. Free in a few years.

The guy apologized at the scene, too. Doesn't that imply an understanding OF A WRONG having been done?

Progressivism. It's so...so...

:speechless:

[Bingley Joe]

I could find two witnesses, with professional degrees no less, that will tell you ANYTHING you want them to say.

It is completely ridiculous that they went this route on this particular case, but to be clear, your article doesn't mention that those two witnesses testified that he was mentally ill because the guy was institutionalized by police on a previous occasion and treated for schizophrenia.


.. aaand he was allowed to check himself out and hop on a bus to Manitoba. :confused: :mad:

The whole thing is a complete cock-up, really.

[Wraith]

Insemination fight ends in wife's arrest (http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_11893799)Thursday, March 12
PITTSFIELD — A woman who allegedly intended to artificially inseminate her wife with her brother's semen has been charged with domestic assault and battery.

Pittsfield police responded to a call shortly before 4:30 p.m. Tuesday in the city's Morningside neighborhood, where the assault allegedly occurred.

Stephanie K. Lighten, 26, was released on personal recognizance after denying the allegations in Central Berkshire District Court Wednesday morning.

Jennifer A. Lighten, 33, told police that Stephanie Lighten, her wife, was "all liquored up" when she returned to their Lincoln Street apartment, where the defendant then allegedly tried to use a syringe to inseminate her, according to a police report.

...

[civil]

2012 can't come soon enough.

[Xerxes]

Insemination fight ends in wife's arrest (http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_11893799)

I was driving the other day thinking how weird the world is now with stories of "men" having babies and the likes but this is just as crazy.

[Wraith]

School basketball coach made students kill pigeons (http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20090314p2a00m0na018000c.html) (Mainichi Daily News (Japan))KOCHI -- A basketball coach at a public junior high school here forced team members to kill some pigeons that were interrupting training, it's been learned.

The incident occurred during joint training at a high school in Kochi on Dec. 21. At the coach's order, the two students involved cut the throats of two pigeons, local education authorities said.

According to the city's education board, the coach had been teaching the basketball team once a month or so since April last year. The team was practicing at a prefectural high school that day.

The coach admitted that he'd ordered the students to kill the birds, after a teacher at the school found the dead pigeons in a pond on the premises.

The coach apologized to the students and their parents following the incident. However, school held an extraordinary parents meeting at the end of last year to apologize and announce his dismissal.

The two students are reportedly still affected over the incident.

[Xerxes]

Stephen E. Quick, Samantha Light Accused Of Taping Themselves Having Sex With Children (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/14/stephen-e-quick-samantha-_n_174940.html)

EEDERSBURG, Ind. — A couple who ran a baby-sitting service out of their home videotaped themselves performing sex acts with children, some as young as 2 months old, police said Friday.

Stephen E. Quick, 31, and Samantha Light, 25, both of Veedersburg in western Indiana, were being held on $100,000 bond in Fountain County Jail. Both faced preliminary charges of child molestation and child exploitation. Jail staff did not know whether either one had an attorney.

Police who searched the couple's home found a videotape depicting sex acts involving Quick and Light and at least four different children between the ages of 2 months and 6 years old, said Fountain County Sheriff's Deputy Bob Kemp.

"In 15 years of doing this job, it's the worst thing I've ever seen or imagined," he told WRTV. "Just horrible, just horrible It's a new low."

Police searched the couple's home after the parents of a 3-year-old girl reported that she told them Quick and Light had touched her inappropriately and photographed her at their home on Feb. 28.

Deputies seized several computers, cameras, a video camera, pornographic materials, drugs and drug paraphernalia. Several sex toys that appeared in the video were seized during a second search, police said.

Quick and Light were arrested March 5. Neither has a criminal history.

Authorities have removed the couple's daughter from their home.

:mad:

[Xerxes]

Teen Assaults Mother After She Catches Him Masturbating (http://www.theweeklyvice.com/2009/03/antwan-grandberry-teen-assaults-mother.html)

Dade City, Florida (The Weekly Vice) -- Antwan L. Grandberry, a 19-year-old Dade City man was arrested after assaulting mother who caught him masturbating.

According to the Dade City Police Department, the incident began about 7 p.m. Tuesday when Grandberry's mother looked outside and saw her son, Antwan, masturbating in the back yard. She reportedly yelled at him to stop.

Grandberry walked around to the front of the house and rang the doorbell. When the mother answered and yelled at him once more, Grandberry responded by punching his mother in the face, according to the arrest report.

Grandberry was booked into the Pasco County Jail on a charge of domestic violence where he currently remains in lieu of a $500 bond.

[Generation ABXY]

Teen Assaults Mother After She Catches Him Masturbating (http://www.theweeklyvice.com/2009/03/antwan-grandberry-teen-assaults-mother.html)

Okay, I know it's wrong, but I'm getting a mental image with that one and I just can't stop laughing. I'm thinking it is the doorbell part that just makes the whole thing so perfectly comical.

[Xerxes]

The Weekly Vice (http://www.theweeklyvice.com/) site has it all.

[LongStepMantis]

We've had school shootings, mall shootings, church shootings, now...

Nursing Home shootings (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6734388)

I can only parrot this statement again and again...If someone hates life and wants to hurt people they've never even met, turn that gun on yourself right off the bat and do the world a favor.

[Wraith]

http://kotaku.com/5188433/alfie-patten-you-are--not-the-father

[Xerxes]

http://kotaku.com/5188433/alfie-patten-you-are--not-the-father

That's wild. Some sick old dude know he was letting that kid take the wrap.

[Ink Asylum]

Ugh. This is a bad one, folks. I felt sick just reading it. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090329/ap_on_re_us/birthday_killings)

A man on a rampage fatally stabbed his 17-year-old sister, decapitated his 5-year-old sister in front of a police officer and then turned toward his 9-year-old sister with a knife in his hand before officers shot him dead in what their chief described as "a killing field."

There was no clear motive for the events that unfolded Saturday, the day after the 5-year-old's birthday, in a tony Boston suburb that also is home to Gov. Deval Patrick. But there was no doubt at the carnage wrought by 23-year-old Kerby Revelus against his sisters in the two-family home they shared with their parents and grandmother.

Five-year-old Bianca was killed as a cake for her birthday, which investigators believe was Friday, sat on the kitchen table. Nine-year-old Sarafina dialed 911 and watched police shoot her brother as her elder sister, 17-year-old Samantha, lay dead on the floor.

The only good news is that the first officers on the scene were on patrol nearby and arrived within a minute of the 911 call, which is likely the only reason the nine year old lived. Thank heavens for them.

[Ox]

The only good news is that the first officers on the scene were on patrol nearby and arrived within a minute of the 911 call, which is likely the only reason the nine year old lived. Thank heavens for them.
Unfortunately, they'll spend the rest of their lives wondering if they could have gotten there ten seconds earlier and saved the five-year-old. That is a kind of Hell I don't even want to imagine.

[Lint of Death]

http://kotaku.com/5188433/alfie-patten-you-are--not-the-father

Great, thanks to that link I can't stop watching Maury's "Are you the father" videos on YouTube.

[Wraith]

A group of middle school kids formed a "miscarriage club," where they tried to injure their teacher and her unborn child. Why? Well, because she scolded them at club meetings and changed their seating order. Oh dear god, the world is about to end for these poor boys, isn't it?

They tried spraying her car with chalk, loosening her chair so that it'd collapse when she sat down in it, and other things that would hopefully harm the woman and her child. Another student saw the kids doing this, and alerted another teacher. The kids were rounded up and their parents were called. The teacher is alright, and is currently on maternity leave to have their kid.via Japanator (http://www.japanator.com/elephant/post.phtml?pk=9586)

[ShivaX]

This just in.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/hostage_shooting

A gunman blocked the back door of an immigration services center with his car before walking through the front door firing, wounding at least six people and taking as many as 41 hostage, officials said.

Taking bets on him having "violent video games" or the like. He probably also jerks off to Glenn Beck and Adolf Hitler, but I'm sure the blame will fall on Halo and Slipknot or something.

Update: Flipped on CNN and they're saying 12 dead. Young Asian male shooter. Evidently he didn't get irony of him hating immigrants.

[Inspector Fowler]

What is up with the huge increase in mass shootings the last month or so? Fuck me, it's like the mind-control vibes have started working.

[Ink Asylum]

You're not the only one to notice. Media Matters summarizes a string of recent shootings. (http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904030025)

April 3: Reports indicate a gunman Jiverly Voong backed up his car to the door of the American Civic Association in Binghamton, New York, in order to make sure people could not escape when he walked in the front door, killed the receptionist and then went from room to room shooting as many as he could. The gunman later killed himself. Fourteen dead, four wounded.

March 29: In the upscale Santa Clara, California, neighborhood, Devan Kalathat shot and killed two of his children, three other relatives and then himself. Six dead, one injured.

March 29: Heavily armed suspect Robert Stewart, entered a local retirement home in Carthage, North Carolina, and began randomly shooting patients and employees with his high-powered fife. Eight dead and three wounded.

March 15: A Miami man, Guillermo Lopez, barged into a birthday thrown for his ex-wife's boyfriend. An argument erupted. Lopez cornered some party goers in the back yard and opened fire, killing four people, including his ex-wife. Lopez drove to his home, set his pick-up truck on fire, and killed himself. Five dead.

March 10: Firing more than 200 rounds from two assault rifles, a shotgun and a handgun, Michael McClendon went on a two-hour killing spree in south Alabama, killing family members, strangers, and then himself. Eleven dead, seven wounded.

March 5: Ex-con Davon Crawford killed his new wife, his wife's sister, and her sister's three small children during a killing spree in downtown Cleveland. Days later Crawford killed himself. Six dead.

[Xerxes]

What is up with the huge increase in mass shootings the last month or so? Fuck me, it's like the mind-control vibes have started working.

Like Condemned?

[torrefaction]

It's not mind control vibes. There's a simpler answer.

The world is seemingly falling apart to many people, and in times like these, the rule of law begins to break down. In a time when normal people are losing their minds, what do you think that does to the already unstable?

[Xerxes]

It's not mind control vibes. There's a simpler answer.

The world is seemingly falling apart to many people, and in times like these, the rule of law begins to break down. In a time when normal people are losing their minds, what do you think that does to the already unstable?

Is this a tag line for a movie?

[Generation ABXY]

It's not mind control vibes. There's a simpler answer.

The world is seemingly falling apart to many people, and in times like these, the rule of law begins to break down. In a time when normal people are losing their minds, what do you think that does to the already unstable?

Heh. My brother and I were just talking about all the shootings. My answer was essentially what you said (except, I think, less movie guy-sounding); my brother naturally went with the whole mind control thing. Hard to believe we're related, sometimes.

[Sly Marbo]

It's not mind control vibes. There's a simpler answer.

The world is seemingly falling apart to many people, and in times like these, the rule of law begins to break down. In a time when normal people are losing their minds, what do you think that does to the already unstable?

Dude. That was awesome.

[torrefaction]

I came back and reread that and I have a pretty great idea for a novel now.

Or maybe a concept album. That might really work. Thanks for making me reread my post.

[Generation ABXY]

I came back and reread that and I have a pretty great idea for a novel now.

Yeah, but then it'll be non-fiction, and no one reads that. :p

[ShivaX]

Yeah, but then it'll be non-fiction, and no one reads that. :p

Depends how you define non-fiction. Politically extreme pundits on both sides write lots of books and claim them as "non-fiction" even though they're more fictional than most Tom Clancy novels.

[Deadend]

Fuck, this thread makes me want a drink.

[ShivaX]

Fuck, this thread makes me want a drink.

Apparently its getting worse out there:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090405/ap_on_re_us/pittsburgh_shooting

A gunman wearing a bulletproof vest and "lying in wait" opened fire on officers responding to a domestic disturbance call Saturday, killing three of them and turning a quiet Pittsburgh street into a battlefield, police said.

Police Chief Nate Harper said the motive for the shooting isn't clear, but friends said the gunman recently had been upset about losing his job and feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.


Guess it was only a matter of time before one of these guys went off.

Oh and for added "fun":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090405/ap_on_re_us/children_slain
A father apparently shot to death five of his children, ages 7 to 16, at their mobile home and then killed himself near a casino miles away, police said Saturday.

Ed Troyer, a spokesman for the Pierce County Sheriff, called it a domestic violence situation and a murder-suicide.

Awesome.

[Ox]

It's not mind control vibes. There's a simpler answer.
Probably true, but an even simpler answer is: mass shootings are rare events with a high degree of randomness in their distribution. Consequently, we should expect to see clusters with no rhyme or reason -- if they were evenly spaced, they wouldn't be random.

[boratika]

Police Chief Nate Harper said the motive for the shooting isn't clear, but friends said the gunman recently had been upset about losing his job and feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.

Uhhhh...maybe it's just me, but I would have thought the best way to not have your guns taken away would be to not shoot up police.

It sounds more like he was worried guns weren't going to be banned, so he was just doing his bit for justifying a ban.

[ShivaX]

Uhhhh...maybe it's just me, but I would have thought the best way to not have your guns taken away would be to not shoot up police.

It sounds more like he was worried guns weren't going to be banned, so he was just doing his bit for justifying a ban.

By all of the accounts I heard about the guy he was a grade-A nutjob. He was doing shit to bring the cops to his house on a regular basis. Of course using common dirt-bag logic its Obama's fault the cops keep coming and he might lose his guns, not that hes constantly breaking the law. That couldn't be it. Its that damned Obama.

[Generation ABXY]

Uhhhh...maybe it's just me, but I would have thought the best way to not have your guns taken away would be to not shoot up police.

It sounds more like he was worried guns weren't going to be banned, so he was just doing his bit for justifying a ban.

Honestly, that was my first thought, too. Still a sad event, though.

[Ink Asylum]

This one is really weird. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-shootings-040609,0,243986.story)

In a report just released, Casselberry officer Jeffrey Shumway said the two were sharing a firing lane at the Shoot Straight range on U.S. Highway 17-92, taking turns shooting and talking to people in an adjacent lane. "They seem to be getting along fine," he wrote in the report.

"At one point in the video you can see Mitchell Moore firing his pistol down range," Shumway wrote. "Marie Moore walked up behind Mitchell Moore and pointed a revolver at the back of his head and fired a single shot. The act appeared to be deliberate.

"Mitchell Moore immediately went down from the shot," Shumway wrote. "Marie Moore then placed the pistol in her mouth and fired a single shot."

There's a video at the link but I can't bring myself to watch it.

[ShivaX]

This one is really weird. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-shootings-040609,0,243986.story)



There's a video at the link but I can't bring myself to watch it.

Nor could I, the still picture was more than enough for me.

For added creepiness this was a 44 year old mother shooting her 20 year old son at a range.

[Generation ABXY]

I watched the video and, from the minute or so of footage, I have to agree that they did all seem to be getting along. It's odd: the suddeness of her actions was...well, sudden - it was almost like someone flipped a switch - but the way she stood there and did it, you'd get the impression she'd planned the whole thing from the start. I guess I'm not sure what to think.

While family members indicated Marie Moore had a history of mental illness, McNeil said investigators still don't know any details about that.

While, granted, we may not yet know the details of that, I have to say I'd be very wary of going to a shooting range with someone who might be crazy. Then again, it was just his mother...

[Ox]

While, granted, we may not yet know the details of that, I have to say I'd be very wary of going to a shooting range with someone who might be crazy. Then again, it was just his mother...
"Mental illness" could just mean she took some Xanax for depression or something. Heck, I'm pretty sure ADD qualifies as "mental illness." There are not a ton of people these days who don't have a history of mental illness.

One thing that occurred to me watching this: I've occasionally had mad impulses. Once I was on a transatlantic flight and, while waiting for the bathroom, momentarily considered opening the emergency hatch. I've always restrained myself, of course, and as I grew out of puberty they faded. But they were scary, and if I had given in to one, you probably would have seen exactly this: talking and laughing one second, headshot the next, and a heartbeat later when I realized what I had done, I would have eaten a bullet.

[Generation ABXY]

"Note to self: Don't get on a plane with Ox." :p

[Alatheia]

Oh and for added "fun":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090405/ap_on_re_us/children_slain


Awesome.

Better story about that from the local news. (http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_040609WAB-orting-children-slain-sun-LJ.aa997556.html)

Also, today Two people shot near Sea-Tac Airport (http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_040709WAB-sea-tac-shooting-TP.b201df85.html)... So who's coming to PAX again? ;)

[Alatheia]

Non-shooting news:

Article. (http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=33257&in_page_id=2)

Doctors' unions in Romania have criticised a decision to make a surgeon pay £100,000 in damages after he lost his temper and hacked off a patient's penis during surgery.

Surgeon Naum Ciomu, who had been suffering from stress at the time, had been operating on patient Nelu Radonescu, 36, to correct a testicular malformation when he suddenly lost his temper.

Grabbing a scalpel, he sliced off the penis in front of shocked nursing staff, and then placed it on the operating table where he chopped it into small pieces before storming out of the operating theatre at Bucharest hospital.

This deserved it's own post, don't you think...

[Ox]

Vice-president of the Romanian Doctors Union, Vasile Astarastoae, said: 'Ciomu's case is a dangerous precedent for all Romanian doctors. In future doctors may have to think very carefully about what work they undertake.'
[]
The director of the ophthalmology hospital in Bucharest, Dr Monica Pop (yes, actually her name), agreed saying that doctors would in future avoid any cases where they could end up in court having to pay damages.

She added: 'Doctors in Romanian earn too little to be able to pay amounts like this. As a result it will be entirely fair if they only accept cases where they cannot make mistakes. The only way this can be avoided is if the insurance companies cover all the risk.'
I am laughing in the bloodchilling manner exhibited by Stalin just before enslaving Eastern Europe.

[Xerxes]

So a penis only costs about £100,000?

[Ink Asylum]

They said he had been under stress and had lost his temper after he accidentally cut the man's urinary channel and 'overreacted' to the situation. He told the court it was a temporary loss of judgement due to personal problems.

So he got frustrated at his own mistake and took it out on the unconscious man's body. Yeah, a guy like that should never be allowed to perform an operation again.

One thing that occurred to me watching this: I've occasionally had mad impulses. Once I was on a transatlantic flight and, while waiting for the bathroom, momentarily considered opening the emergency hatch. I've always restrained myself, of course, and as I grew out of puberty they faded. But they were scary, and if I had given in to one, you probably would have seen exactly this: talking and laughing one second, headshot the next, and a heartbeat later when I realized what I had done, I would have eaten a bullet.

I don't think that's unheard of. When I'm waiting for the subway in the morning and it comes barrelling out of the tunnel I'll sometimes wonder what would happen if I jumped in front. The difference between that and the woman who shot her son in the back of the head is that the part of our mind that keeps us from doing that apparently wasn't working for her.

[Bad Buddha]

[/URL]Also, today [URL="http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_040709WAB-sea-tac-shooting-TP.b201df85.html"]Two people shot near Sea-Tac Airport (http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_040609WAB-orting-children-slain-sun-LJ.aa997556.html)... So who's coming to PAX again? ;)
I just need to mount this on my motorcycle:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/838/scabbard5.jpg

[Bad Buddha]

So a penis only costs about £100,000?
Somewhere in Bangkok, a penis-less tourist is waking up in a bathtub full of ice!

[Generation ABXY]

"Mental illness" could just mean she took some Xanax for depression or something. Heck, I'm pretty sure ADD qualifies as "mental illness." There are not a ton of people these days who don't have a history of mental illness.

One thing that occurred to me watching this: I've occasionally had mad impulses. Once I was on a transatlantic flight and, while waiting for the bathroom, momentarily considered opening the emergency hatch. I've always restrained myself, of course, and as I grew out of puberty they faded. But they were scary, and if I had given in to one, you probably would have seen exactly this: talking and laughing one second, headshot the next, and a heartbeat later when I realized what I had done, I would have eaten a bullet.

Well, it would appear it wasn't just an impulse after all. Seems she wrote a suicide note which said, "I'm so sorry. I had to send my son to heaven and myself to Hell."

EDIT: Apparently she believed she was the anti-Christ, and thought her death would bring about a thousand years of peace. So, in addition to be a bit off her rocker, these latest reports also paint her as a bit of a religious nut, too. Unfortunately, I have to say, I don't buy it. I mean, perhaps I'm over-thinking this tragedy and I really just don't get the true nature of crazy, but there is one thing that doesn't make sense to me: She claimed to have heard the voice of God saying, “You have a gun; you can do it,” and yet...she didn't. She had to go rent a gun in order to do it. If He is making a misstep like that, doesn't it rather punch some holes in her idea that this is some divine edict from an omniscient presence?

Like I said, though, perhaps I am analyzing this too much, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that some of this information is fallacious.

[Wraith]

Police to search church in Calif. child death (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30080313/)TRACY, Calif. - Police investigating the death of an 8-year-old girl whose body was found in a suitcase dumped in a pond cordoned off a church they planned to search Tuesday, a day after questioning its pastor and taking a computer and other items from his home. ...

Sandra's body was discovered a few miles from her Tracy home Monday when farmworkers draining a pond to water nearby fields found the suitcase. She was last seen alive March 27, skipping down the street near the mobile home park where she lived.

An autopsy had been planned for Tuesday. The gruesome discovery ended a search that included hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement officials, drew more than 1,000 tips and compelled people to put up posters of the girl on storefronts, car windows and fire hydrants all over town. ...

Sandra was found wearing the same clothes she had on when she was last seen: a pink "Hello Kitty" T-shirt and black leggings, Tracy police Chief Janet Thiessen said Monday.

"Our heartfelt sympathies go to Sandra's family and friends," Thiessen said. "We will determine the person or persons responsible for this reprehensible act, and we will bring them to justice."

On Tuesday, mourners left stuffed animals, cards and other trinkets at a makeshift memorial outside the mobile home park, which resembles an apartment complex, complete with a swimming pool. ...

The tragic ending to the 10-day search was the second blow in recent months to Tracy, a city of 78,000 about 60 miles east of San Francisco.

A local Girl Scout leader and her husband were among those accused of kidnapping and torturing a 16-year-old boy in their home for more than a year before he escaped in December. ...

Wendy Rios, 29, and her sister-in-law Sabrina Cason, 31, brought their two young daughters to drop off a bouquet of purple lilies.

"It's tragic. How could you do that to a little girl," said Rios, as her teary-eyed 8-year-old daughter, Monica, held onto her.

Cason said she had a hard time explaining what happened to Sandra to her three children.

"This has shaken our little town up," Cason said as she held her 5-year-old daughter, Alyssa. "We're saddened. For her to be so close to home and this to happen. I think we all had a lot of hope that she would come home safely."Cops: Sunday school teacher held in girl’s death (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30159623)TRACY, Calif. - A Sunday school teacher has been arrested after the body of 8-year old Sandra Cantu was found in a suitcase pulled from a pond.

Melissa Huckaby, 28, was arrested at 11:55 p.m. Friday on suspicion of murder and kidnapping after voluntarily going to police for questioning nearly five hours earlier, Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

"She gave enough information to us during the course of the interview that probable cause was there to arrest here," Sheneman said. ...

"We have information that Sandra, by the time she was reported missing to us, that she probably had already been murdered," said Thiessen.

"It has helped us to bring Sandra home, again not in the way that we would've hoped, but that was out of our hands shortly after she went missing." ...

Huckaby previously told The Tracy Press that Sandra visited her home March 27, the day she disappeared. Huckaby also said she had left her suitcase in the driveway that day, and that it was missing.

The Tracy Press also reported that Huckaby was released Thursday from Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, where she spent several days in the intensive care unit for what she described as "internal bleeding."

[Johan]

This is why my wife and I don't entrust our kids alone with virtually anyone other than ourselves and our parents. You just can't really know anyone for sure. I don't give a shit if you're in the choir or on Santa's short list of terrific little boys and girls; you could well be a true bastard, for all I know. Creepy kidnapping, rapist murderers don't wear signs describing their resumes or intentions.

[boratika]

This is why my wife and I don't entrust our kids alone with virtually anyone other than ourselves and our parents. You just can't really know anyone for sure. I don't give a shit if you're in the choir or on Santa's short list of terrific little boys and girls; you could well be a true bastard, for all I know. Creepy kidnapping, rapist murderers don't wear signs describing their resumes or intentions.

Yeah, but statistically children are most likely to be sexually abused by family members (including parents) and this thread seems to point to children not being safe from murder from their parents, so you know, keep an eye on that shady looking bastard you see in the mirror.

[Johan]

Ah, but the bastard we know best is the bastard in ourselves. Unless you're a bitch. Then you're not a bastard. I'm comfortable with the known risk of myself...it's others, and the depth of their depravity, that I don't know.

Also, WTF is wrong with this woman? (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/11/polar.bear.attack/index.html)

She jumps the fence during polar bear feeding time, right into their habitat, and doesn't wear a bathing suit?

[Kielaran]

Ah, but the bastard we know best is the bastard in ourselves. Unless you're a bitch. Then you're not a bastard. I'm comfortable with the known risk of myself...it's others, and the depth of their depravity, that I don't know.

Also, WTF is wrong with this woman? (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/11/polar.bear.attack/index.html)

She jumps the fence during polar bear feeding time, right into their habitat, and doesn't wear a bathing suit?

It's unclear why the woman entered the bear habitat, but police issued her a citation for trespassing.

Meh. I may be getting jaded by the thread, but I think they should have just left her there.:(

[Xerxes]

Meh. I may be getting jaded by the thread, but I think they should have just left her there.:(

I'm with K.

[H.Bogard]

So a penis only costs about £100,000?

You'd pay more? :p

[boratika]

You'd pay more? :p

Don't think of it as a cost, think of it as an investment. You will make your money back - and more - in no time.

[Johan]

This guy needs to see that penis surgeon. (http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/04/thomas_frazier_father_of_14_ch.html)

"This guy gives fathers a bad name," said Genesee County Friend of the Court Jack Battles.

I disagree. He's not a father. He's just a sperm donor. A father would do more than drop his load and leave. He doesn't give fathers a bad name. He gives humanity a bad name.

Also, and this may be politically incorrect of me to say so (like I give a shit), if the guy is just screwing you for the fun of it, and he doesn't want kids, and you know that and keep the kid(s), I'm not quite sure what you're crying about, or even why you should get money, in fact, to support a child the guy declared he didn't want. Should a woman have the right, by her unilateral choice, to sentence a man to eighteen years of child support payments over his objection/opposition to having a child?

There's a double-standard for you. If the woman wants the baby dead, it's aborted. If the man doesn't want the child, but the woman does...break out the checkbook.

[zarathstra]

This guy needs to see that penis surgeon. (http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/04/thomas_frazier_father_of_14_ch.html)



I disagree. He's not a father. He's just a sperm donor. A father would do more than drop his load and leave. He doesn't give fathers a bad name. He gives humanity a bad name.

Also, and this may be politically incorrect of me to say so (like I give a shit), if the guy is just screwing you for the fun of it, and he doesn't want kids, and you know that and keep the kid(s), I'm not quite sure what you're crying about, or even why you should get money, in fact, to support a child the guy declared he didn't want. Should a woman have the right, by her unilateral choice, to sentence a man to eighteen years of child support payments over his objection/opposition to having a child?

There's a double-standard for you. If the woman wants the baby dead, it's aborted. If the man doesn't want the child, but the woman does...break out the checkbook.

I think the problem with your argument is that the law isn't designed to support the mother, its designed to support the child. The kid didn't have do anything wrong, and someone has to support it. It can either be the people who created it or the state. Besides, if the guy really didn't want kids, he should be using a condom or getting a vasectomy. The fact that the kid was conceived was just as much his fault as it was hers. Alternatively, he could stop screwing around with women who do want kids.

RE: Abortion. Biology isn't fair. Can't be helped.

[Johan]

I think the problem with your argument is that the law isn't designed to support the mother, its designed to support the child.

I've known some situations where child support is being paid, and let me just say that it supports the mom in many cases as much as anyone else. It's a golden ticket; get it punched!

Here's another one. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/12/saudi.child.marriage/index.html)

I'd love for the moral utilitarians/relativists among us to defend this one. :rolling eyes:

[zarathstra]

I've known some situations where child support is being paid, and let me just say that it supports the mom in many cases as much as anyone else. It's a golden ticket; get it punched!

I'm sure that's true. No law can be fair in every case, and the kid can't drive to the store and buy its own food, so someone else has to be responsible for the money. If the guy is really worried about it, he can of course file for joint custody, or again, stop screwing women he knows want kids without taking precautions.

[Generation ABXY]

I'd love for the moral utilitarians/relativists among us to defend this one. :rolling eyes:

Wrong forum. ;)

[Johan]

Wrong forum. ;)

Wrong world. :(

[Shrinn]

kwdOwgD5OsY

This is.. scary levels of stupidity.

[Kielaran]

Wow, that was hilarious.
-Communist 50 year plan
-Brain wash technique
-FOX is the only credible news source
-College = bad

Words cannot adequately describe that level of crazy.

[Xerxes]

Evolution crap?

[Generation ABXY]

Luckily, that man is only one vote.

Evolution crap?

Well, it is a theory - and one with a number of gaps - that plenty of people don't believe in.

[Kielaran]

Evolution crap?

Yeah. I let that one slide because there was so much stupid going on that whoever said it sounded smart by comparison.

[Shrinn]

You guys are missing the best line. We have to BURN the BRAINWASHING BOOKS. Because reading is enough to make you blindly follow whatever they say!

[Ancalagon]

Wow, that was hilarious.
-Communist 50 year plan
-Brain wash technique
-FOX is the only credible news source
-College = bad

Words cannot adequately describe that level of crazy.

Whoooweee, that is 100% pure crazy.

College brainwashing? Evolution crap? Wow.

EDIT: Shrinn, yeah that was also pure comedy gold. I mean, lets burn all the books, no disclaimers or limitations. Cos books, even books like the Bible, obviously have a natural tendency to brainwash, cos thats what books do. Books are a 50 year old plan by the communists to make America prosper through capitalism while the USSR disintegrates so that the USSR can... wait I'm confused, damn its the books again.

[Generation ABXY]

You guys are missing the best line. We have to BURN the BRAINWASHING BOOKS. Because reading is enough to make you blindly follow whatever they say!

I figured that was covered by both the college is bad and evolution is crap things.

[aVaKus]

I stumbled across this earlier today. Be warned, it is not for the feint of heart. I couldn't finish it. I felt sick to my stomach and completely enraged. Apparently the victims were elderly people over 80 and 4 of the 5 were women.

Five people suspected of witchcraft burnt alive in Kenya (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dae_1236854361)

[Generation ABXY]

Wow, I thought we'd long gotten over that phase. I didn't watch the video, though - I clicked on that thinking it was a link to the story. Seeing people burned alive is something even I might not be able to stomach, despite some of the horrible things I've seen in my life.

[Bingley Joe]

Wow, I thought we'd long gotten over that phase.

Not even close -- witchcraft is a VERY real part of millions of people's lives in Africa.

Here's an incredible report the BBC did about its impact on children that most definitely belongs in this thread. It's absolutely infuriating to watch, but at least (unlike the video linked above... WTF WAS THAT!??) it gives some context..

Part 1
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Part 2
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Part 3 (Embedding disabled)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE8epBkSPfo

Part 4
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Part 5
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Part 6 (Embedding disabled)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXUKF8dHf4A

[Ox]

Not even close -- witchcraft is a VERY real part of millions of people's lives in Africa.
This made me laugh.

[Bingley Joe]

This made me laugh.

How so?

I'm guessing it's the idea that something like witchcraft could be considered to be 'real' (which is genuinely how they feel), but just curious if that's it..

[Ox]

I assume you mean "the belief in withcraft, and the attendant fear, is very important in the lives of many Africans." But the way you phrased it permitted an alternative interpretation: "Witchcraft is real magic, and witches have real control over the lives of millions of Africans."

[Generation ABXY]

I meant burning witches; I didn't think we did that anymore.

[Bingley Joe]

I assume you mean "the belief in withcraft, and the attendant fear, is very important in the lives of many Africans." But the way you phrased it permitted an alternative interpretation: "Witchcraft is real magic, and witches have real control over the lives of millions of Africans."

Roger.

I did mean that, but now that you mention it, I realize that both statements are correct.. It's just a question of perspectives:

"Witchcraft is real magic, and witches have real control over the lives of millions of Africans."

In fact, many many Africans would agree with this statement 100% without hesitation. Billions of people allow their belief in spirits and their influence on their lives to dictate how they should behave though, so I suppose in some sense it's normal enough.


I meant burning witches; I didn't think we did that anymore.

Yeah, burning, stoning, blood-letting, forced starvation.. It's mind boggling, but unfortunately these practices are very much in use in some parts of the world. :(

[Ox]

In fact, many many Africans would agree with this statement 100% without hesitation. Billions of people allow their belief in spirits and their influence on their lives to dictate how they should behave though, so I suppose in some sense it's normal enough.
Eh, I think there's a difference. The monotheistic religions in the Judeo-Christian mold are very special in one respect: they take all the magic and spirituality of the pagan universe and concentrate it in one place (God). A pagan would say everything -- every river, every rainstorm, every heartbeat -- as being imbued with a spirit and operating according to its whims. A monotheist denied that there was anything spiritual about these things. They were separate from God and material. Material things, not being spiritual, don't have wills and operate according to predictable laws. The notion that there are some things you can explain without referring to a mind or will somewhere is the beginning of science.

Now, obviously this is a simplified explanation, and often pagan and monotheistic concepts are present in the same human mind. But it's relevant to the witchcraft thing. If a monotheist can't get an erection, he concludes there must be something mechanically or chemically wrong and takes a blue pill. If a pagan can't get an erection, he looks around for a witch to burn.

[Alatheia]

Those poor children :(

[Bingley Joe]

Eh, I think there's a difference. The monotheistic religions in the Judeo-Christian mold are very special in one respect: they take all the magic and spirituality of the pagan universe and concentrate it in one place (God). A pagan would say everything -- every river, every rainstorm, every heartbeat -- as being imbued with a spirit and operating according to its whims. A monotheist denied that there was anything spiritual about these things. They were separate from God and material. Material things, not being spiritual, don't have wills and operate according to predictable laws. The notion that there are some things you can explain without referring to a mind or will somewhere is the beginning of science.

Now, obviously this is a simplified explanation, and often pagan and monotheistic concepts are present in the same human mind. But it's relevant to the witchcraft thing. If a monotheist can't get an erection, he concludes there must be something mechanically or chemically wrong and takes a blue pill. If a pagan can't get an erection, he looks around for a witch to burn.

I see what you're getting at, but to be clear, I wasn't thinking strictly of Judeo-Christian beliefs. Furthermore, the witchcraft these people believe in doesn't have anything to do with, say, Wicca.. they believe in something much closer to what would be called Vodun, and so I'm not sure they would believe that every material object is imbued with a spirit.. More often what they believe is that every material and living object is governed by a spirit, which is a big difference.

To use your comparison to Judeo-Christian beliefs though, there are definite parallels there -- one divine creator, for example, as well as a number of lesser deities not completely unlike the Holy Trinity and the notion of angels and saints. In very simplistic terms, both groups believe in the idea that not behaving in a certain way will incur the wrath of a particular spirit.

And of course, that notion is fairly commonly held across a very wide variety of religions (which was my original point). Not sure this discussion belongs in this forum anymore though ;)


Those poor children :(

Yeah, that's heartbreaking. I don't think I'll ever understand how people can so often be so cruel to one another :(

[quidmonkey]

nsfw

http://media.funlol.com/content/img/asian-squid-porn.jpg

[Bingley Joe]

nsfw

:eek: Where do I sign up?

[aVaKus]

nsfw

http://media.funlol.com/content/img/asian-squid-porn.jpg

I just threw up a little bit. :eek:

[Ancalagon]

Eh, I think there's a difference. The monotheistic religions in the Judeo-Christian mold are very special in one respect: they take all the magic and spirituality of the pagan universe and concentrate it in one place (God). A pagan would say everything -- every river, every rainstorm, every heartbeat -- as being imbued with a spirit and operating according to its whims. A monotheist denied that there was anything spiritual about these things. They were separate from God and material. Material things, not being spiritual, don't have wills and operate according to predictable laws. The notion that there are some things you can explain without referring to a mind or will somewhere is the beginning of science.

Now, obviously this is a simplified explanation, and often pagan and monotheistic concepts are present in the same human mind. But it's relevant to the witchcraft thing. If a monotheist can't get an erection, he concludes there must be something mechanically or chemically wrong and takes a blue pill. If a pagan can't get an erection, he looks around for a witch to burn.

Well... some monotheists disagree, some of them would say it is intelligent design and not the predictable law of evolution that leads to current genetic diversity. Still others would see their lack of erection as punishment from God for being unfaithful. Others would pray for rain during a dry spell.

[Ox]

At the risk of offending intelligent design advocates, I don't think they fit into the narrow technical sense of "monotheist" I'm using here. I'm talking about mindsets about the extent of the supernatural: so-called 'pagans' think the supernatural is everywhere and affects everything, so-called 'monotheists' think it is far more confined and most natural phenomena are the result of predictable laws. In all your examples, I'd classify that as 'pagan' thinking.

This isn't necessarily great terminology, but I didn't come up with it. Although it's been so long I can't give a proper cite.

EDIT: Bingley Joe is right: having provided that clarification, I'll discontinue this line of discussion.

[Ox]

I owe penance for inadvertently bringing religion into this thread. I apologize to all. In atonement, I offer this (http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/523141.html) somewhat lighthearted sign of humanity's malfeasance:

MOUNDSVILLE - Days of lugging home heavy backpacks filled with textbooks could soon be over for students in Marshall County, where school officials may stop requiring them to complete their homework.

In my school days, we had a term for homework you didn't have to do. We called it "extra credit," or more colloquially, "bullshit I ain't doin'."

[Scaryfaced]

I find something inherently disturbing about people calling for the destruction of books of any kind, particularly ones they've never read, nor could they name if asked. On top of that, they seem to be rejecting what I can only discribe as education and information as some sort of mental polution. People often change their minds about many things during college because they've had the chance to be educated with factual information and draw their own conclusions. I guess I'm ranting to the wrong group, but this sort of stuff seriously bothers me. It represents a distinct disconnection in logic and truely worries me about our future.

[Ox]

People often change their minds about many things during college
Absolutely.
because they've had the chance to be educated with factual information and draw their own conclusions.
I'm more skeptical.

[Generation ABXY]

I owe penance for inadvertently bringing religion into this thread. I apologize to all. In atonement, I offer this (http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/523141.html) somewhat lighthearted sign of humanity's malfeasance:

In my school days, we had a term for homework you didn't have to do. We called it "extra credit," or more colloquially, "bullshit I ain't doin'."

So, we've dropped the F, there was talk of a sort of "minimum grade" and now even homework may become optional. Does anybody else think we should just shut down schools and save all that money? Hell, we could send the money back to families so they can pay for childcare, since that could one day be all these places are good for.

[Johan]

I owe penance for inadvertently bringing religion into this thread. I apologize to all. In atonement, I offer this (http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/523141.html) somewhat lighthearted sign of humanity's malfeasance:

As a teacher, I will state that homework is often a complete waste of time. The students who don't need to do it, DO IT. The students who most need to do it, DON'T. In other words, I (as a teacher) end up with a class half-unprepared for a lesson based upon utilizing work they didn't do the night before.

Forget it.

The work I assign for completion outside of class typically involves content that needs to be memorized for quizzes/tests (rhetorical/literary devices and terminology, vocabulary, etc.), and long-term projects. I barely bother with overnight stuff any more. It just doesn't get done by the students who need to do it.

[Scaryfaced]

I'm more skeptical.

Which would only make sense. Being skeptical is a essential part of education. One I might even say is largely refined in a college setting, depending on your course of study and the quality of your instructors. Critical thinking should be a cornerstone of high school education. Unfortunately, as far as I'm aware, it rarely pops up on state mandated curriculums.

I'm sure professor's personal opinions influence their student body. It's hard to remove one's own opinions from a subject you care about and I don't doubt that many students fall under the influence of their teacher's opinions . Still, I'd expect that with the proper factual material and a good teacher to ask the big questions and provide context, one might come up with an opinion that might differ from one they had previously.

I might say that some could skip college and settle on reading more books, but they're apparently poluting our minds with that evolution mumbo jumbo.

[Ox]

I wasn't skeptical that college education can instill skepticism and other good qualities. I'm skeptical that college students' opinions change because of this stuff. College is a very fashion-conscious place. That makes sense: people go there and try on new identities and personalities, and the popularity of your identity and personality will inevitably have influence over whether you keep it.

To take a specific example: my sister went to Georgetown. A few months later, she announced she was converting to Catholicism. She also mentioned she had to run because she was going to a pro-choice rally. When I asked her how she reconciled these seemingly conflicting doctrines, she didn't really know what I was talking about. Her religion was a fashion statement rather than a carefully-considered opinion.

But now I've dragged the conversation back to the muck again. Sorry.

EDIT: I'm not saying these two doctrines are necessarily opposed, but it's the sort of thing you probably should give some thought to. They don't obviously go together, at least for most people.

[Scaryfaced]

At risk of insulting your sister, anyone who forms a personal identity based off of what makes them the most popular completely missed the point of a higher education. For that matter, I have a hard time calling that an identity at all. I'm of the belief that you are who you think you are, not what other people think you should be.

If I've offended your family honor, a glove slap followed by pistols at dawn seems to do the trick.

[Ox]

At risk of insulting your sister, anyone who forms a personal identity based off of what makes them the most popular completely missed the point of a higher education.
There, I completely agree with you.

If I've offended your family honor, a glove slap followed by pistols at dawn seems to do the trick.
Nah. We all do stupid things in college. My sister is getting dramatically more down-to-earth as she ages and spends time with the Red Brigade (my term for her group of hipster friends). Last year she had a breakthrough: she mused that she was the only one of her friends who didn't believe 9/11 was an inside job.

[Johan]

...she mused that she was the only one of her friends who didn't believe 9/11 was an inside job.

You mean, "the only one on her campus" right? ;)

[H.Bogard]

Those poor children :(

Aye. That was depressing.

[ShivaX]

Sadly theres so many murder-suicides in the US lately that its not even worth bumping this thread for them anymore. However what about the police chief of a major city going insane?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_POLICEMAN_SHOOTING?SITE=CTDAN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

MOSCOW – A Moscow district police chief opened fire on the street and in a supermarket early Monday, killing three people and wounding seven others — four of them critically, Russian investigators said.

Police Maj. Denis Yevsyukov, who heads a southern Moscow police department, opened fire just after midnight and was detained after killing a driver, a supermarket cashier and customer, federal investigators said in a statement.

Thats some scary shit when a chief of police in your capitol goes on a mindless shooting spree.

[Generation ABXY]

Twelve children who mistook a homemade bomb for a toy were killed in Pakistan on Saturday when the device exploded as they played with it, officials said.

...

Some villagers said students of a government girls' primary school in the remote Luqman Banda village found the bomb near the school and carried it to their home. Others said that a street vendor gave the children the bomb.

If that last part is true and this wasn't, in fact, an accident (that is to say, and they intended not only to kill, but to kill children)...well, I've no words for it.

[Cpl_Punnishment]

i have no hope for those that caused this:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2380558/Kittens-face-surgery-after-paws-hacked-off

[Ink Asylum]

I won't even go read that article after seeing the link. Disgusting.

[headhunter228]

Uhhh.......I thought I had a sick sense of humor. Either the kids desperately need help, or their parents desperately need help.

[quidmonkey]

Cannibals unite: we taste like bacon (http://www.wired.com/table_of_malcontents/2006/11/robot_identifie/).

[Kielaran]

Cannibals unite: we taste like bacon (http://www.wired.com/table_of_malcontents/2006/11/robot_identifie/).

If the robots think we taste like bacon, then we have already lost. There is no hope for our kind now.

[Xerxes]

As a teacher, I will state that homework is often a complete waste of time. The students who don't need to do it, DO IT. The students who most need to do it, DON'T. In other words, I (as a teacher) end up with a class half-unprepared for a lesson based upon utilizing work they didn't do the night before.

Forget it.

The work I assign for completion outside of class typically involves content that needs to be memorized for quizzes/tests (rhetorical/literary devices and terminology, vocabulary, etc.), and long-term projects. I barely bother with overnight stuff any more. It just doesn't get done by the students who need to do it.

But if the ones that "don't need it", don't get it, wouldn't they lose.

[Xerxes]

Cutting cats feet off is fucked up. And if people taste like bacon, I might have to join the robots in this war.

[Alatheia]

Those poor babies! :(

[Ancalagon]

i have no hope for those that caused this:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2380558/Kittens-face-surgery-after-paws-hacked-off

Thanks for ruining my day.

God some people are sick.

[Wraith]

Dying gamer tried to write killer's name in own blood (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10234182-71.html) (CNet)Matthew Pyke and his girlfriend, Joanna Witton, of Nottingham, U.K., met David Heiss, from Limburg, Germany, on their Advance Wars online gaming forum.

Heiss now stands accused of murdering Pyke, a computer science student at Nottingham Trent University, after making several surprise trips from Germany to visit Pyke and his girlfriend and allegedly becoming obsessed with Witton.

Jurors were presented on Tuesday with images of Pyke's computer, on the side of which he was said to have written the first three letters of Heiss' name in his own blood as he lay dying from 86 stab wounds to his body.

...

The court also heard that police had allegedly found a suicide note, written in such a way as to appear they were the words of Pyke, in Heiss's suitcase. Police gave evidence that, in an interview with them, he said he had written the note to "cheer himself up".

Heiss denies murdering Pyke.

[LongStepMantis]

What a bastard.

The 21-year-old Heiss gave evidence in his defense Tuesday. He said he hadn't meant to kill Pyke. He had simply flown to England to confront him and Witton after they had used the online forum to allegedly make disparaging remarks about him. The couple had blocked him from their site and from IM.

"I thought that once he (Pyke) stepped outside I would give him a beating. It wasn't my intention to put him in hospital, it wasn't my intention to break any bones," Heiss told the court.

He continued: "At some point we started to punch each other. He was on his back and I was sitting on him. The next thing I felt was something inside my knee. I didn't really feel any pain and I looked down and saw it was the knife. I was terrified."

The knife allegedly belonged to Heiss and had been in his belt.

So he was shocked and surprised to see the knife, that he had brought with him to attack someone with? And he didn't intend to kill the guy, but he flew from Germany to the U.K., with a knife, planning to fight him...riiiight. And he had a suicide note, made out for the deceased, in his suitcase.

Sad. If only they had taken better steps to protect themselves. I'd say when they invited him to stay and he refused to stay anywhere but their house, I would have called the police right there. They obviously knew he was fucked in the head, which is why they blocked him I'm sure...but he knew where they lived. Sigh.

My only consolation is that he gets to play "Try not to get raped/shanked in prison as you cry yourself to sleep for the rest of your life" from now on. Enjoy that game, buddy.

[diablopath]

i have no hope for those that caused this:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2380558/Kittens-face-surgery-after-paws-hacked-off

It's because of stuff like this that I stopped visiting 4chan. Animal abuse is just as sickening as human abuse, in my eyes. It's so depressing that this stuff happens.

[LongStepMantis]

It's because of stuff like this that I stopped visiting 4chan. Animal abuse is just as sickening as human abuse, in my eyes. It's so depressing that this stuff happens.

Is it fucked up that I find animal abuse worse than human abuse? I just can't get past the whole "We have free will, they don't" mentality. It makes me view them as wholly innocent, something I can't say for any human outside of very young children.

[Ink Asylum]

I can only hope that the kids and teens who do these horrible things to innocent animals get some kind of serious psychiatric help before they grow up to be even more monstrous. Taking delight in the painful suffering of the weak is a truly disturbing trait.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Is it fucked up that I find animal abuse worse than human abuse? I just can't get past the whole "We have free will, they don't" mentality. It makes me view them as wholly innocent, something I can't say for any human outside of very young children.

Well, we feel there's something inherently wrong with taking advantage of things that are weaker than you.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I can only hope that the kids and teens who do these horrible things to innocent animals get some kind of serious psychiatric help before they grow up to be even more monstrous. Taking delight in the painful suffering of the weak is a truly disturbing trait.

Well, it's one of the most consistent indicators of a future serial killer.

[LongStepMantis]

Well, we feel there's something inherently wrong with taking advantage of things that are weaker than you.

Exactly. I would never abuse a person either, but when I hear a story like this...it makes me so fucking angry. For all of our collective talents and intelligence, we should be the benevolent lords of the lesser creatures...ideally.
Too bad so many people prefer to be the evil overlords of all they survey.

Being kind and caring takes a modicum of effort.
Being a heartless asshole doesn't.

[Alatheia]

I can only hope that the kids and teens who do these horrible things to innocent animals get some kind of serious psychiatric help before they grow up to be even more monstrous. Taking delight in the painful suffering of the weak is a truly disturbing trait.

My cat isn't innocent. She abuses me. That is why I walk away from her when she tries to get me to watch her eat. She also snores. I'd never abuse her though, aside from not watching her eat.

[diablopath]

I have a question for you guys;
Has the feeling of empathy towards animals given you a vegetarian urge? In the past month or so, I've been having feelings of guilt every time I eat meat. I'm considering going vegetarian, however I fail at cooking, so it hasn't happened yet.

Happen to anybody else, or am I just a puss?

[LongStepMantis]

I have a question for you guys;
Has the feeling of empathy towards animals given you a vegetarian urge? In the past month or so, I've been having feelings of guilt every time I eat meat. I'm considering going vegetarian, however I fail at cooking, so it hasn't happened yet.

Happen to anybody else, or am I just a puss?

It happens to me. I honestly blame it on my awareness of all things increasing as I age. When I was a kid, I knew where meat came from. As an adult, however, I've seen slaughterhouses and the conditions the animals "live" in...if you can call it that...and find myself thinking more and more about how wrong our behavior is.

We've enslaved entire species so we can eat something "tasty" when we want it. Don't get me wrong, I'm no PETA dumbass. I see these things from both sides, even though I identify the cruel nature of our relationships with lesser animals. So yes, I frequently feel bad for eating meat. I still eat it, but now much less often. It's hard to break entirely away from the foods I've always identified as being "the best". I could see myself going vegan in the future though.

[ShivaX]

Happen to anybody else, or am I just a puss?

I usually think about how good its going to taste.

The only time it ever occurs to me is when I (or others) waste food in some manner. Like when I watch cooking shows and see people ruin food or even throw out perfectly fine food because its not quite perfect.

Ramsey yells "put it in the bin" quite a bit, but at the same time hes also out there doing the whole "know where your food comes from" thing. Its kind of... odd. I mean I don't expect him to serve shitty food, but watching him throw away perfectly decent meat because someone didn't prepare it quite right still bugs me.

[diablopath]

I usually think about how good its going to taste.

The only time it ever occurs to me is when I (or others) waste food in some manner. Like when I watch cooking shows and see people ruin food or even throw out perfectly fine food because its not quite perfect.

Ramsey yells "put it in the bin" quite a bit, but at the same time hes also out there doing the whole "know where your food comes from" thing. Its kind of... odd. I mean I don't expect him to serve shitty food, but watching him throw away perfectly decent meat because someone didn't prepare it quite right still bugs me.

My opinion on wasting is similar, albeit for different reasons.

Morality has really hit me hard the past year or two.

[ShivaX]

My opinion on wasting is similar, albeit for different reasons.

Morality has really hit me hard the past year or two.

Think of it this way: Anything you eat wouldn't have survived anyway. It either would have just starved to death or been eaten by something else. Gernally speaking our food animals aren't exactly evolutionary masterpieces.

I can understand wanting to avoid unneccessary cruelty and the like, but ultimately herbivores and small flightless birds exist to be eaten by omnivores and carnivores.

[diablopath]

Think of it this way: Anything you eat wouldn't have survived anyway. It either would have just starved to death or been eaten by something else. Gernally speaking our food animals aren't exactly evolutionary masterpieces.

I can understand wanting to avoid unneccessary cruelty and the like, but ultimately herbivores and small flightless birds exist to be eaten by omnivores and carnivores.

I have a hard time following that line of logic.
My mind is telling me "Don't do this because you know it's wrong."

I have no realistic intentions of saving any animals' lives or changing the world, but that also doesn't mean I have to feel like I'm heavily contributing to what I see as an immoral act.

I haven't completely formed a full (educated) opinion on this, so I'm well aware there are gaps in my reasoning. This is a fairly recent thing for me, so I'm trying to figure out how to deal with it. At the very least, it's really hard to break a 20 year habit.

[Ink Asylum]

The recent Swine Flu coverage, and the descriptions of the pig factories, especially the gigantic pools of pig shit/urine/blood/afterbirths/stillborns that are festering and corrupting the landscape definitely have made me think about vegetarianism again. Domesticating animals for food is one thing, but constraining animals from birth to death in horrid conditions is not just cruel in my eyes, but also completely inefficient from an environmental standpoint and leads to all sorts of horrible diseases like Mad Cow and Swine Flu.

I think I'm going to do it this time. I cook a couple times a week for myself so I'll probably start by using those nights to cook a vegetarian dish then try to extend that into the other nights of the week. Probably start making more salads for lunch, too.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I have no realistic intentions of saving any animals' lives or changing the world, but that also doesn't mean I have to feel like I'm heavily contributing to what I see as an immoral act.

Now, I'm very much one to say "If it feels wrong for you to do it, don't do it". But I wonder why, exactly, you think that it's immoral.

For funzies, I could easily argue that it's completely natural, and you are simply repressing your desire to eat meat, which will cause untold mental problems by succumbing to the shame that vegetarians have instilled in your mind.

[diablopath]

Now, I'm very much one to say "If it feels wrong for you to do it, don't do it". But I wonder why, exactly, you think that it's immoral.

For funzies, I could easily argue that it's completely natural, and you are simply repressing your desire to eat meat, which will cause untold mental problems by succumbing to the shame that vegetarians have instilled in your mind.

I thought I addressed this?
Forgive me my sins :P.

I feel a sort of guilt for benefiting from the suffering of animals. As I said, this entire thing is new to me and I haven't fully explored it, but that's the core of it.

Plus, I seem to recall reading somewhere that one of the heaviest contributors to global warming is the methane (and/or other gases, I don't recall) being produced from mass populations of animals raised for the slaughter.

[Xerxes]

I have a question for you guys;
Has the feeling of empathy towards animals given you a vegetarian urge? In the past month or so, I've been having feelings of guilt every time I eat meat. I'm considering going vegetarian, however I fail at cooking, so it hasn't happened yet.

Happen to anybody else, or am I just a puss?

Puss... :D

I hate the way animals get treated though. Like when I use to go to the rodeo. I always think about how someone needs to run a cowboy down and jack his ass up for sport. Or bronco bust on they fucking back. I love it when a bull would fuck one of them up. It's not that I care about animals more, just this ass chose to bully a animal so he deserves a horn in the ass.

But truth is anyway we kill them just to skin em, and get them ready for human consumption will be rough on them. I mean we can't gas em. I don't think. That would be cool to gas them with flavor. Ummm anyways, I just don't think they have such a hard ass few years of life only to end up eaten. Can't they room and eat from good hay or whatever? Not dried up animal cannibal pullets.

[Panthera]

But truth is anyway we kill them just to skin em, and get them ready for human consumption will be rough on them. I mean we can't gas em. I don't think. That would be cool to gas them with flavor. Ummm anyways, I just don't think they have such a hard ass few years of life only to end up eaten. Can't they room and eat from good hay or whatever? Not dried up animal cannibal pullets.

I've had some thoughts along those lines. You know, people talk about how we shouldn't care about animals because we eat them, but the way I see it? I don't give a fuck if someone skins me and eats me when I die. Because I'm dead. Now, it would suck a bit to be killed early, but even that isn't so bad compared to living in a state of perpetual suffering.

Following down this line of logic, I've softened my stance on sport hunting for meat.

[Xerxes]

I've had some thoughts along those lines. You know, people talk about how we shouldn't care about animals because we eat them, but the way I see it? I don't give a fuck if someone skins me and eats me when I die. Because I'm dead. Now, it would suck a bit to be killed early, but even that isn't so bad compared to living in a state of perpetual suffering.

Following down this line of logic, I've softened my stance on sport hunting for meat.

See if you are hunting your own food, I think those animals may have had decent free lives compared most farm animal. Deer or rabbits are out living the life, eating when they want and getting exercised. They should be honored. Farms animals aren't allowed to have any honor in there deaths.

I couldn't be a vegetarian, but I don't want to be a dick to animals. Well I had a few cats I was a dick towards but they started it.

[Alatheia]

Well I had a few cats I was a dick towards but they started it.

The cats *always* start it!

[Ink Asylum]

Well, I decided not to go full veg, but I'm making a strong effort to avoid eating the kind of meat that tends to come from animals that are likely to be constrained and caged their entire lives until being butchered. Most noticeably that means beef, pork, and poultry.

Fish and shellfish are ok in my book, though salmon is iffy because it's often raised in horrid conditions as well. I feel much less guilt eating something that had a normal life up until it was captured/killed. That's nature, really, for most species. A few seconds or minutes of fear and pain at the end. If it wasn't me catching that shrimp it'd have been some fish.

[Ancalagon]

The recent Swine Flu coverage, and the descriptions of the pig factories, especially the gigantic pools of pig shit/urine/blood/afterbirths/stillborns that are festering and corrupting the landscape definitely have made me think about vegetarianism again. Domesticating animals for food is one thing, but constraining animals from birth to death in horrid conditions is not just cruel in my eyes, but also completely inefficient from an environmental standpoint and leads to all sorts of horrible diseases like Mad Cow and Swine Flu.

I think I'm going to do it this time. I cook a couple times a week for myself so I'll probably start by using those nights to cook a vegetarian dish then try to extend that into the other nights of the week. Probably start making more salads for lunch, too.

Personally I think that we need to keep in mind that animals still feel pain, and thus if we are going to raise them as food we need to ensure they are as comfortable as possible.

At the very least this means no overcrowding and some room to run around, something I know most farms wont do becaues it isnt "economically viable". Pretty sad I guess.

As well as that, I refuse to eat any animal that is endangered, as well as any whale or dolphin, any primate, or any shark.

[Bingley Joe]

Well, I decided not to go full veg, but I'm making a strong effort to avoid eating the kind of meat that tends to come from animals that are likely to be constrained and caged their entire lives until being butchered. Most noticeably that means beef, pork, and poultry.

Fish and shellfish are ok in my book, though salmon is iffy because it's often raised in horrid conditions as well. I feel much less guilt eating something that had a normal life up until it was captured/killed. That's nature, really, for most species. A few seconds or minutes of fear and pain at the end. If it wasn't me catching that shrimp it'd have been some fish.

You could always investigate buying your beef/pork/poultry from small local farms if that's a possibility.

We've got a store nearby that sells small quantities of meat sourced exclusively from a local farm that does nothing but the free-range/grazed-organic-grain-fed-zero-antibiotic-hormone-free thing, slaughtered on-site. It's certainly no bargain compared to the local supermarket, but really not that bad if you're only eating meat very occasionally (which is our approach)

The quality and taste of the meat is just off the charts though, and it brings a bit of peace-of-mind knowing that the animals are treated as well as could possibly be practical. The lack of hormones and antibiotics is also a great plus.

Still.. ultimately the world would be better off if everyone cut down significantly on their meat consumption, so kudos to you for going cold no turkey :)

[Ink Asylum]

You could always investigate buying your beef/pork/poultry from small local farms if that's a possibility.

That's definitely an option I'm considering. That kind of meat naturally tends to be more expensive, so it'll probably be an occasional treat, while I replace the majority of dishes with veggies or fish.

[boratika]

Dying gamer tried to write killer's name in own blood (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10234182-71.html) (CNet)

38 stab wounds isn't very plausible as a suicide.

I have a question for you guys;
Has the feeling of empathy towards animals given you a vegetarian urge? In the past month or so, I've been having feelings of guilt every time I eat meat. I'm considering going vegetarian, however I fail at cooking, so it hasn't happened yet.

Happen to anybody else, or am I just a puss?

This is pretty much why I became a vegetarian. Well, that, and no end of other good reasons.

[Wraith]

Who's killing cats in south Miami-Dade? $2,500 offered for information (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-dade-cat-killer-bn05209,0,3693254.story) (Sun Sentinel)

MIAMI - Along a quiet street in Cutler Bay, neighbors awoke last week to a startling discovery: mutilated cats left on display in the yards of family homes. Some skinned, others sliced across the stomach -- the bodies were left like talismans in some horror movie.

In all, city officials and police say, there have been about 20 cats reported found maimed and killed in Cutler Bay and Palmetto Bay. Miami-Dade police, with the assistance of the county's animal services, are investigating the mystery but have made no arrests.

...

''This is particularly gruesome and egregious,'' said Jennifer Hobgood, the organization's Florida director. "If you speak to the investigator, the phrase he used is that the cats are being left like `little trophies.' ''

A police report from a woman who found two cats in her yard in the 19700 block of Whispering Pines Road describes two mutilated cats: "Both were sliced open and one was posed.''

Such was the case for Chris Quarles, whose 11-year-old cat Jack was found dead last week. A Miami-Dade school counselor, Quarles said it seems as though the killings were methodical.

''He was skinned from the belly all the way down and had cut marks on his back leg,'' he said.

...

The scene was similar in Palmetto Bay, where Alicia Glatzer's husband found the body of one of the family's cats, Sarah, in the yard.

Part of her face was missing, her belly had been skinned and her intestines spilled onto the grass. Though it seemed unlikely, they thought the cat had been struck by a car. Then they heard news reports about the injuries inflicted on other cats nearby.

''We have two other cats,'' Alicia Glatzer said. "My concern is every day when I walk out whether I'll find another dead cat outside.''

Barbara Wiesinger, 68, said she found the bodies of several cats in her Cutler Bay neighborhood before finding her 15-year-old calico, named Cami, a few houses away. Gone was part of the cat's face.

[civil]

Resurrecting because I really am hoping for that meteor to come and clean humanity out soon (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090714/ap_on_re_us/us_florida_couple_slain).

[Ink Asylum]

Ugh. Two truly good people dead over rumors of a safe full of money. Horrible.

[Generation ABXY]

Wow, been awhile since I've seen this thread; nowadays, I just get my sigh-worthy news from The Daily Vice (thanks, Xerxes!).

On Topic: That is such a shame, but it almost seems par for the course. However, this line...

Morgan said, however, that there was no indication anyone had unlocked the door for the intruders, adding that people in the community felt comfortable leaving their doors unlocked.

...got me. I've never lived anywhere where I've felt safe leaving my doors unlocked, and I find it hard to imagine some people do.

[Kielaran]

Wow, that is just horrible.

[Generation ABXY]

6Hk-ru57A-c

I'm not going to say the county is innocent here (though they were getting the cones), but...

[Voodoo]

6Hk-ru57A-c
clfAq1xSevc

[civil]

Gotta love that Staaaaaten Ahyland accent. The best part, though? The gravitas with which the announcer said, "And Alexa lost one shoe."

[cppcrusader]

...got me. I've never lived anywhere where I've felt safe leaving my doors unlocked, and I find it hard to imagine some people do.

My hometown in Ohio was like that. If someone forgot to lock the door before going to bed no one thought much of it in the morning. It's a little less like that now, but not by much. My dad actually made fun of me a year ago when I was visiting and I waited until he got home (which was like 3 or 4 in the afternoon) to go get lunch because I couldn't find the spare house keys. Living in a place like Orlando really alters your world view when you come from a place like that.

I've only been to the panhandle once, so I don't know how different things are from Central FL. There was a lot of farmland up there though, so I could see people being able to feel that safe there.

[Generation ABXY]

There was a lot of farmland up there though, so I could see people being able to feel that safe there.

Perhaps. I know this place changed a lot after the tobacco buyout, so there's a chance some people were like that around here once (just never me).

Gotta love that Staaaaaten Ahyland accent. The best part, though? The gravitas with which the announcer said, "And Alexa lost one shoe."

I chuckled a bit when I first heard him. But, I suppose that may have been the only way he could get through it without just saying, "Some dumbass fell in a hole. This is what she looks like; if you see her behind the wheel of a car, get out of the way."

[Xerxes]

clfAq1xSevc

What's the point of the cat and the piano again. It's funny none the less.

I love when he asked if she wanted her shoe back.
"How could you say that?"

[JRR006]

My family leaves the doors unlocked all the time. Maybe my parents think if the burglar can just walk in the front door, he'll be in a better mood, and less likely to shoot them in their bed? I suppose a locked door might stymie a crackhead who couldn't figure out that he could just slice a screen and pull up a window - which are never locked either. And once my mother said "If no one is home they could just smash the patio door, so what's the point of locking it when I go out?" Okay then.

[Kielaran]

And once my mother said "If no one is home they could just smash the patio door, so what's the point of locking it when I go out?" Okay then.

I had thought that at one point, but it never stopped me from locking the door. There are a ton of easy ways to break into a house. If that is your reasoning at least you can save money on locks.:confused::(

[Wraith]

Kid Drinks Gasoline To Be Like Optimus Prime (http://jalopnik.com/5319571/kid-drinks-gasoline-to-be-like-optimus-prime)A 14-year-old Chinese boy has been admitted to the hospital with "gasoline dependance" after five years of downing the fuel in order to emulate his cartoon heroes and become a "valiant fighter" like "Optimus Prime."

It started out innocently enough, with the boy drinking lighter fluid after taking a liking to the odor, but as we all know lighter fluid is a gateway combustible and inevitably leads to the hard stuff; Dino-squeezin's, go-juice, petrol... oh yes, he was drinking gasoline. Taking it from his parents motorcycle in such quantities as to regularly drain the tank. He was doing so because he believed it would help him attain energy like those of his cartoon heroes, the Transformers. Of course his parents tried to stop him, but he kept downing the stuff and eventually he started showing signs of reduced mental capacity. His parents took him into the hospital where he was diagnosed with a psychological dependence on gas. It's like a Matrix of Stupidity.

[SilentScreams]

What a dumbass. And if his parents knew he was doing it, why the hell didn't they do anything sooner?
Matrix of stupidity is right.

[bstiff]

his parents tried to stop him, but he kept downing the stuff and eventually he started showing signs of reduced mental capacity

apparently he became more retarded than he was when he decided to start drinking gas?

[Ink Asylum]

Man, he really is stupid. Doesn't he know Transformers are powered by Energon, not gasoline?

[Kielaran]

Man, he really is stupid. Doesn't he know Transformers are powered by Energon, not gasoline?

But Energon doesn't give the same sweet aftertaste that gas does.:p

[Narradisall]

Man, he really is stupid. Doesn't he know Transformers are powered by Energon, not gasoline?

Thank fuck I wasn't the only one that thought that on reading the article.

[Generation ABXY]

Jesus, with a story like that, I was expecting this to be a little kid - if he was like 5 or 6 or something, I could almost understand a one-off sort of thing happening. But 14, and enough times to be considered dependant...

[Ink Asylum]

Just a reminder, humanity still sucks. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/8175882.stm)

A 16-year-old boy who beat a toddler to death while babysitting her has been ordered to be detained for 15 years.

Karl McCluney punched Demi Leigh Mahon in the face, bit her and left with at least 68 injuries during the sustained attack in Salford in July 2008.

The two-year-old suffered brain damage and died two days later.

[Xerxes]

Thank fuck I wasn't the only one that thought that on reading the article.

You aren't the only one. This is why parents have to know what the hell their kids are watching. They only needed to convince him gas doesn't equal Energon. Hell, didn't they even pull energon from water in G1 Transformers. Bam, go drink water little dumbass.

Just a reminder, humanity still sucks. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/8175882.stm)

See Johan, this boys life isn't worth as much as dog, let alone farm animals for eating. Trying to use a shitty birthday as an excuse. Hell, I've suffered more than my fair share of plain day birthdays.

[Ancalagon]

Baby cut from mothers womb, mother dies (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1202871/Womb-raid-baby-alive-Suspect-faces-court-girl-cut-dead-mother-found.html;jsessionid=75507F7DCB8A92B2BAA31E51E1B7 2CFD)

I have no words for this, its the most evil thing I've ever heard of. Can you imagine not only killing a mother to be but taking her baby, right out of her? Pretty effing sick if you ask me.

[Generation ABXY]

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[diablopath]

Graduate sues her college because she can't find a job. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/03/new.york.jobless.graduate/index.html)

Maybe I'm just being an asshole, but is a 2.7 even something to brag about?
This woman just sound like an idiot, regardless.

EDIT: I'm aware this isn't as bad as other things in this thread, but I didn't want to start a new thread.

[Johan]

Mother decapitates 3 1/2 week old son, eats parts. (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-newborn-decapitated,0,7576098.story)

Seriously...just nuke the planet. Now. Please. :(

[SilentScreams]

Mother decapitates 3 1/2 week old son, eats parts. (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-newborn-decapitated,0,7576098.story)

Seriously...just nuke the planet. Now. Please. :(

...

I have no words.

[Wedge]

Fuuuuck, this was the wrong thread to read through, since I was looking for a pick-me-up. I thought there would be skateboarders bailing and such.

Still, that Dominique girl sounds like a keeper.

[Johan]

...

I have no words.

Check out the "related links" on the side of that page. It's a veritable treasure-trove of wonders. :(

[ClannerDelta]

Check out the "related links" on the side of that page. It's a veritable treasure-trove of wonders. :(

In between the decapitation stories...

We do have the shining gem that dogs, in fact, are smarter than cats.

[Xerxes]

Check out the "related links" on the side of that page. It's a veritable treasure-trove of wonders. :(

You talking about the guy with jis penis krazy glued to his stomach?

[ShivaX]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wrong_way_crash

GARDEN CITY, N.Y. – A mother drank vodka and smoked marijuana while taking a vanload of children home from a weekend camping trip that ended in disaster when she went the wrong way on a highway and crashed into an SUV, killing eight people, police said Tuesday.

Diane Schuler, who died along with her 2-year-old daughter and three nieces in her red minivan, had more than 10 drinks of alcohol in her system and a high level of the main ingredient in marijuana, authorities said. A broken 1.75-liter bottle of Absolut vodka was found in her wrecked minivan, police said.


The July 26 crash on the Taconic State Parkway, about 35 miles northwest of New York City, also killed three men in the SUV. Schuler's 5-year-old son, in her minivan, survived.

Investigators said Schuler had been driving erratically on other upstate roads before getting on the highway for the 140-mile trip home.

Schuler's blood-alcohol level was well above the legal limit, and she still had undigested alcohol in her stomach, State Police Maj. William Carey said Tuesday.

Blood tests also showed she had smoked marijuana 15 minutes to an hour before the crash, said Betsy Spratt, chief toxicologist for the Westchester County medical examiner.


I love how the family goes on about how much she loved her kids. I find the best way to express love is to get blind drunk before a extremely long highway drive with a van full of kids. As an added bonus you can smoke a doobie to take the edge off of not being able to walk.

[Johan]

I find the best way to express love is to get blind drunk before a extremely long highway drive with a van full of kids.

You too, eh? ;)

People are seriously retarded. Otherwise normal people are just mentally deficient. How can someone get in a van full of children, high on alcohol/pot, and just drive? If I were related to the three men in the SUV, I would seriously consider suing her estate...and then I would drop it, considering her family is mainly dead, and the rest are ruined. :(

[ShivaX]

You too, eh? ;)

People are seriously retarded. Otherwise normal people are just mentally deficient. How can someone get in a van full of children, high on alcohol/pot, and just drive? If I were related to the three men in the SUV, I would seriously consider suing her estate...and then I would drop it, considering her family is mainly dead, and the rest are ruined. :(

Well this could be the inkling of something along those lines:

Roseann Guzzo, whose father and brother were killed in the SUV, said Tuesday her family wanted to meet with prosecutors to discuss the case.

[Bingley Joe]

"We're outraged by it," she [Roseann Guzzo] said. "It's a choice she made. And that choice she made to us is like she committed murder."

Damn right it's murder.

IMO it's high time we just started calling people who drive drunk homicidal maniacs. Any injuries resulting from their rampages should be tried as attempted murder, and any resulting deaths should have a full on murder charge being brought if the drunken piece of shit lives through it.

You choose to drink, and then you choose to get behind the wheel of a car, you deal with the consequences, motherfucker.

[ShivaX]

Damn right it's murder.

IMO it's high time we just started calling people who drive drunk homicidal maniacs. Any injuries resulting from their rampages should be tried as attempted murder, and any resulting deaths should have a full on murder charge being brought if the drunken piece of shit lives through it.

You choose to drink, and then you choose to get behind the wheel of a car, you deal with the consequences, motherfucker.

Well it not premedidated by any means, but it is on par with walking outside in the morning with a rifle, closing your eyes and firing it randomly up and down the street. Yeah you weren't aiming for anyone, but you obviously didn't care if anyone happened to get hit either.

[Generation ABXY]

Damn right it's murder.

IMO it's high time we just started calling people who drive drunk homicidal maniacs. Any injuries resulting from their rampages should be tried as attempted murder, and any resulting deaths should have a full on murder charge being brought if the drunken piece of shit lives through it.

You choose to drink, and then you choose to get behind the wheel of a car, you deal with the consequences, motherfucker.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. Hell, if there was a way to charge 'em with that for just drink driving period (that is to say, even if there are no injuries), I would probably be right on board, too.

[Bingley Joe]

Well it not premedidated by any means, but it is on par with walking outside in the morning with a rifle, closing your eyes and firing it randomly up and down the street. Yeah you weren't aiming for anyone, but you obviously didn't care if anyone happened to get hit either.

Yeah, good example.

The consequences of impaired driving (as in RL consequences) are so severe and well known that as far as I'm concerned, society would be far better served by just assuming that these assholes intended to kill some people after they got into the vehicle.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. Hell, if there was a way to charge 'em with that for just drink driving period (that is to say, even if there are no injuries), I would probably be right on board, too.

Shit, you know what? Let's just bump that one up to attempted murder as well. Or at least some kind of 'possession of a deadly weapon with intent to cause harm' thing. Fuckit. I've lost two friends to drunk drivers in my short lifetime and just can't bear to read stories like this anymore.

[Ink Asylum]

Speaking of walking into a public space and firing a gun randomly... (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/05/pennsylvania.gym.shooting/index.html)

(CNN) -- A gunman walked into an LA Fitness gym outside Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, turned off the lights and fired off 50 rounds, killing three women before killing himself Tuesday evening, police said.

The man didn't speak but was carrying a gym bag with a note inside it. He was found dead in the gym lying on top a gun about 7 feet away from a victim, said Charles Moffatt, Allegheny County police superintendent.

Moffatt would not confirm a newspaper report that Sodini's ex-girlfriend was wounded in the shooting.

He also did not say what was written on the note that was found in Sodini's gym bag. But the law enforcement source said that the gunman in the note "talks about his hatred of women."

This guy was a real winner, as his journal entries show: (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8258001&page=1)

November 5, 2008: Planned to do this in the summer but figure to stick around to see the election outcome. This particular one got so much attention and I was just curious. Not like I give a flying ---- who won, since this exit plan was already planned. Good luck to Obama! He will be successful. The liberal media LOVES him. Amerika has chosen The Black Man. Good! In light of this I got ideas outside of Obama's plans for the economy and such. Here it is: Every black man should get a young white girl.... Kinda a reverse indentured servitude thing. Long ago, many a older white male landowner had a young Negro wench girl for his desires. Bout' time tables are turned on that ----. ... LOL. More so than they dig the white dudes! Every daddy know when he sends his little girl to college, she be ... real good. I saw it. "Not my little girl", daddy says! (Yeah right!!) Black dudes have thier choice of best white ----. You do the math, there are enough young white so all the brothers can each have one for 3 or 6 months or so.

December 24, 2008: Moving into Christmas again. No girlfriend since 1984, last Christmas with Pam was in 1983. Who knows why. I am not ugly or too weird. No sex since July 1990 either (I was 29). No ----! Over eighteen years ago. And did it maybe only 50-75 times in my life. Getting to think that a woman now would just, uh, get in the way of things. Isolated. I have extra money and enjoy traveling, too, wtih my 25-30 days of vacation. LA was the best! But going alone is not too fun. Invited to a party on Christmas day tomorrow. Seems about 15-25 people will actually show. I like her parties; I can meet new people and talk. Got the next 8 days off. I should have exit plan done and practiced by then. I know nothing will change, no matter how hard I try or what goals I set.

December 29, 2008: Just got back from tanning, been doing this for a while. No gym today, my elbow is sore again. I actually look good. I dress good, am clean-shaven, bathe, touch of cologne - yet 30 million women rejected me - over an 18 or 25-year period. That is how I see it. Thirty million is my rough guesstimate of how many desirable single women there are. A man needs a woman for confidence. He gets a boost on the job, career, with other men, and everywhere else when he knows inside he has someone to spend the night with and who is also a friend. This type of life I see is a closed world with me specifically and totally excluded. Every other guy does this successfully to a degree. Flying solo for many years is a destroyer. Yet many people say I am easy to get along with, etc. Looking back, I owe nothing to desirable females who ask for anything, except for basic courtesy - usually. Looking back over everything, what bothers me most is the inability to work towards whatever change I choose.

Misogynist fucking asshole. Maybe you haven't gotten laid in over 18 years because you radiate crazy woman-hater vibes. I'm so fucking sick of murder-suicides. Just eat the gun first, loser.