Android Phones

[danielOut]

Anyone else getting one? I preordered on day one; rather, I should say, wife ordered me one for the b-day. I'm quite stoked. I've wanted an iPhone for a while, but T-Mobile has been so damned good to me I would feel bad switching. Finally, I get a badass phone.

Too bad T-Mo doesn't have 3G in Montgomery, and doesn't even have it on the drawing board at the moment. (I've got an inside source)

[Xerxes]

Anyone else getting one? I preordered on day one; rather, I should say, wife ordered me one for the b-day. I'm quite stoked. I've wanted an iPhone for a while, but T-Mobile has been so damned good to me I would feel bad switching. Finally, I get a badass phone.

Too bad T-Mo doesn't have 3G in Montgomery, and doesn't even have it on the drawing board at the moment. (I've got an inside source)

Once you and Slacker figure out all the cool things to do with it, then I'll jump aboard. :)

[DangerousDaze]

I'm going to get one of these when they come out in the UK "sometime this year". I just like the concept of no longer having to sync to the desktop like I have to do with my WinMo device - Activesync is the biggest pile of shit ever.

[Brady]

I would love to get one, but I'm a Sprint user. So I'll be using WinMo phones for a while still. Currently I've got the HTC Titan/Mogul which is kind of slow and I really need an upgrade. I'm looking at getting the newer HTC Touch Diamond Pro which should have Android ported to it by the homebrew community.

I'm not in love with Sprint's service or anything, but the deal I have through Sprint is just too good to walk away from.

I'm going to get one of these when they come out in the UK "sometime this year". I just like the concept of no longer having to sync to the desktop like I have to do with my WinMo device - Activesync is the biggest pile of shit ever.

You are correct. ActiveSync is quite an annoyance. It is the reason why I pay for a single user exchange server. Push email is a godsend. Also its amazing adding a new contact into outlook on my computer and having it just instantly show up in my phone. It gives me the warm fuzzies.

[Slack3r78]

I would love to get one, but I'm a Sprint user. So I'll be using WinMo phones for a while still. Currently I've got the HTC Titan/Mogul which is kind of slow and I really need an upgrade. I'm looking at getting the newer HTC Touch Diamond Pro which should have Android ported to it by the homebrew community.

I'm not in love with Sprint's service or anything, but the deal I have through Sprint is just too good to walk away from.
Sprint has their first Android handset coming by early 2009, just FYI.

I'm on the Android train, I'll have a G1 as soon as T-mo can get it to me.

[Whunpo]

I've still got another year on my Verizon contract, but when that's up, I'll definitely be picking up an Android phone. By then, the kinks will be mostly worked out, there will be multiple available handsets for me to choose from, and I won't have to go through the hassle of leaving a contract.

[rein]

I want one but I get spotty coverage from T-Mobile. I bounce between their tower and the Cingular tower. It works fine for the most part but I do not get fast 'internet' speeds when it goes into Cingular coverage.

[danielOut]

I want one but I get spotty coverage from T-Mobile. I bounce between their tower and the Cingular tower. It works fine for the most part but I do not get fast 'internet' speeds when it goes into Cingular coverage.

What part of the country are you in? I will admit that in a few places I've been station, service hasn't been great. But my home (Atlanta) and where I'm stationed now (Montgomery, AL) the service is fantastic.

The main reason I stay with t-mobile is the customer service; they've helped me through a lot, from correcting bill errors to telling me how I can abuse their system and get a free phone before my normal time. :) Plus, when there is a note on your account that says 6 year customer, that apparently means something.

16 days until G-1 and counting...

[crazyD]

I don't trust first run machinery, without real reviews. I might pick one up after release. I do have a friend who's pre-ordered though.

[Sandman]

16 days until G-1 and counting...

Ah....I remember this anticipation from just before the 3G launch. Are you going to camp out for the G1?

[Slack3r78]

Ah....I remember this anticipation from just before the 3G launch. Are you going to camp out for the G1?
No point in having a stupid Star Wars campout.

The initial allocation of phones has sold out, with a second wave on Nov 10.

[Sandman]

No point in having a stupid Star Wars campout.

The initial allocation of phones has sold out, with a second wave on Nov 10.

Ah yeah I remember now, pre-orders. Apple & AT&T didn't do that for the iPhone 3G...thus there were lines. I got to the store at 10pm the night before and was #2 in line.

[danielOut]

Mine gets here tomorrow!

[Raen]

Mine gets here tomorrow!

Will we be hearing about how awesome it it on the friday show?

[Slack3r78]

Mine's on the UPS truck for delivery some time today.

[NoName]

I would love one of these phones but it doesn't look like I'll be getting a phone with Android on it for awhile longer. At least by that time there will be a lot of cool tricks and hacks.

[boratika]

I finally looked up what the G1 and Android are. My god, I had no idea. How could I be so obliviously out of the tech-loop?

[danielOut]

I finally looked up what the G1 and Android are. My god, I had no idea. How could I be so obliviously out of the tech-loop?

This time, we forgive you. Next time, we throw you to the dogs. ;)

It is on a truck and "out for delivery" at the moment; would be nice if they showed up in the next hour so I can snag it before work, but i doubt that. I'll certainly touch on it at the next show; I imagine I can weasel it in as being game related somehow. :)

[Slack3r78]

It is on a truck and "out for delivery" at the moment; would be nice if they showed up in the next hour so I can snag it before work, but i doubt that.
I intend to take a late lunch break and run by the house whenever tracking says it's been delivered. :p

Normally I just have stuff delivered to me at work, but T-Mo automatically ships it to your billing address.

[Slack3r78]

Picked it up at 1:30 from the house. Have been doing nothing but playing with it since. Posting from the G1 now. :)

[Xerxes]

I ordered one. :(

[KingGorilla]

Wait, Daniel how are you getting one? T-Mobile is only rolling these out in areas with 3G coverage. I am not sure if you will have web access on it.

[Gitaroomaan]

Wait, Daniel how are you getting one? T-Mobile is only rolling these out in areas with 3G coverage. I am not sure if you will have web access on it.

That's something I was curious about. I've read conflicting reports regarding the G1 requiring 3G service in order to operate in any way or just suggesting it. I live in Vermont where 3G is nonexistant (and neither T-Mobile or AT&T are here), and I was considering ordering an unlocked G1 at some point, but don't know if I'll be able to use it. I'm using an unlocked iPhone here and don't have a data plan with it, I only grab data over WiFi.

[KingGorilla]

Time will tell, I have not seen anything in depth on what sort of modem[s] are inside. I paid a rather high premium for my 8830 world to get every modem under the sun included, so I am never without a satellite to use. It would royally suck to get something like the G1, and not have access to the web.

I hope it works, these little buggers are a nerdgasm with a screen.

[Slack3r78]

I'm in anedge only area, posting on edge now. They don't stock it in non 3g stores, but you can order it as long as you are willling to ok the slower speeds.

[KingGorilla]

Slacker, is it really free as in beer?

[Slack3r78]

If a $25 data plan is free, sure.

[KingGorilla]

Less than my Crackberry. If/When this makes it onto other carriers, I want to have a look at this. T-Mobile is a nonentity near me.

[Xerxes]

I'm in anedge only area, posting on edge now. They don't stock it in non 3g stores, but you can order it as long as you are willling to ok the slower speeds.

Edge? So you'll be stuck with edge for how long. I know they said the second roll out of 3G wouldn't be to far off. I know in Houston it's already here.

I just thought of a plus for getting a G1. I'll be able to put a cooked OS like WinMo 6.1 on my Wing. If it goes down, oh well.

[Xerxes]

If a $25 data plan is free, sure.

I had to get a $35 dollar all internet, all messages plan.

[Slack3r78]

I had to get a $35 dollar all internet, all messages plan.
I only got the 400 messages plan. I never had a text plan before (choosing to pay $5 a month of so for the messages I do use) and I figure somebody'll write an app that routes AIM over data soon enough. Nobody I know uses GTalk, sadly.

[Xerxes]

I only got the 400 messages plan. I never had a text plan before (choosing to pay $5 a month of so for the messages I do use) and I figure somebody'll write an app that routes AIM over data soon enough. Nobody I know uses GTalk, sadly.

I do. :)
I had the 1000 message plan. I was thinking about the unlimited because I've been sending them like crazy lately. When I signed up, it made it seem like the $35 plan was my only option. :confused:

How do you like the phone so far. I'm scared I won't like it.

[Slack3r78]

I do. :)
I had the 1000 message plan. I was thinking about the unlimited because I've been sending them like crazy lately. When I signed up, it made it seem like the $35 plan was my only option. :confused:

How do you like the phone so far. I'm scared I won't like it.
Just FYI, the built in IM app routes GTalk over the data plan, so it doesn't count against your text messages.

Also, I fucking love this phone. It sucks battery like a Saigon whore, but it's awesome.

[Xerxes]

Just FYI, the built in IM app routes GTalk over the data plan, so it doesn't count against your text messages.

Also, I fucking love this phone. It sucks battery like a Saigon whore, but it's awesome.

Well I charge my Wing every night. I can get away with two days though. It does have bluetooth right? :rolleyes: Something I should have confirmed before ordering, but it just kinda happened.

Oh and the texting is with someone not on the IM system. SMS, old school.

[total]

Just FYI, the built in IM app routes GTalk over the data plan, so it doesn't count against your text messages.

Also, I fucking love this phone. It sucks battery like a Saigon whore, but it's awesome.

I have to wait until November to get mine. Sad face.

[Xerxes]

I have to wait until November to get mine. Sad face.

11/10/08? I know that's the date they had under my order.

[Slack3r78]

Well I charge my Wing every night. I can get away with two days though. It does have bluetooth right? :rolleyes: Something I should have confirmed before ordering, but it just kinda happened.

Oh and the texting is with someone not on the IM system. SMS, old school.
Bluetooth is only for headsets at the moment. It does do USB mass storage for file transfers, though.

(And for the record, I'm spoiled by my old Sony Ericsson phones. I was used to having to charge once a week).

[Xerxes]

Bluetooth is only for headsets at the moment. It does do USB mass storage for file transfers, though.

(And for the record, I'm spoiled by my old Sony Ericsson phones. I was used to having to charge once a week).

This Wing must be a battery hog for you too. I think the main reason I jumped is cause I just know even more cooler stuff will be released in due time. And it still beats the Wing even if it isn't as feature laden hardware wise.

But I know it has the motion sensors and someone could possibly make a version that works the iphone does. Turn it way and bam. No sliding. Does the touch screen they have support multitouch? I mean in future updates could someone make that work as well?

[Slack3r78]

Does the touch screen they have support multitouch? I mean in future updates could someone make that work as well?
No multitouch on the G1, which is probably its greatest shortcoming. The browser is surprisingly usable all the same, though. I'm actually finding the scrollball far more useful than I thought I would.

[Gitaroomaan]

No multitouch on the G1, which is probably its greatest shortcoming. The browser is surprisingly usable all the same, though. I'm actually finding the scrollball far more useful than I thought I would.

It has a capacitive touchscreen (same as the iPhone), so in theory someone could cook up something on the software side to do multitouch.

[Xerxes]

It has a capacitive touchscreen (same as the iPhone), so in theory someone could cook up something on the software side to do multitouch.

That's what I was thinking. I wonder how long before people start cooking different versions of android.

[Xerxes]

Android is now Open Source (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-is-now-open-source.html)

[total]

11/10/08? I know that's the date they had under my order.

Yep that is where I am at.

[NoName]

It has a capacitive touchscreen (same as the iPhone), so in theory someone could cook up something on the software side to do multitouch.

This is true, and now that Android is open source it's much more likely. So by the time I get an android phone there should be a ton of nifty programs floating around the internet for it.

[boratika]

Android is now Open Source (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-is-now-open-source.html)

Nerd discussion point:

What do you want to see on it now?

[Xerxes]

Nerd discussion point:

What do you want to see on it now?

If someone were to make changes to the OS, I wouldn't mind someone bringing in some multitouch. I'm sure what android has now will suffice, but still pinch and stuff seems quicker. Also since the device has a accelerometer, someone can set up automatically when you rotate the phone the screen flips. I also heard it doesn't capture video out the back. If it's possible to get that working too it would be nice.

App wise though, it's just so much that could be done. I've seen some of the apps that were in the contest. A few of them are just pretty cool for day to day stuff. A lot of it was focused on google maps. I haven't taken the time to get my creative juices flowing on what would be cool. I can't develop so it would probably be a waste to focus on that. Although once I have it in hand who knows what I'll find or think up.

[Xerxes]

How about a fake call program, so your ringtone goes off on alarm. I can do better.

[Slack3r78]

Wondering when the market place is going to get an update. From what I've been able to find online, pparently a few apps (like a video player) were using 'old' developer keys and had to be resigned for the official launch and haven't made their way back to the market yet. Only things that have gone live today are the T-Mo Hotspot Connect app and a Bank of America app.

[Xerxes]

Wondering when the market place is going to get an update. From what I've been able to find online, pparently a few apps (like a video player) were using 'old' developer keys and had to be resigned for the official launch and haven't made their way back to the market yet. Only things that have gone live today are the T-Mo Hotspot Connect app and a Bank of America app.

Epic Fail.... I thought I read they were supposed to come back the day of launch. Today. :confused:

[Xerxes]

UIs on the cutting floor.
http://www.tat.se/conceptlab/

[Xerxes]

Does Hulu work on the G1?

[Slack3r78]

Does Hulu work on the G1?
Negative. There's no Flash player for Android yet. Kind of both a good and a bad thing, IMO.

[Xerxes]

Negative. There's no Flash player for Android yet. Kind of both a good and a bad thing, IMO.

How so a good thing? I can only think of the battery issues but like I said I'm use to charging daily to every other day. I doubt I would set there and watch episodes until it died. I was starting to get light headed thinking about having Hulu on my phone. How is there no flash player but you can watch youtube vids?

[Slack3r78]

How so a good thing? I can only think of the battery issues but like I said I'm use to charging daily to every other day.
It lets me avoid the worst content of the web without even actively trying.

[Xerxes]

It lets me avoid the worst content of the web without even actively trying.

What's the worst content? Hulu, or other flash crap? :confused:

[danielOut]

Posting from the G1 at work. Love it so far. Even without 3G in my area.

[Xerxes]

Posting from the G1 at work. Love it so far. Even without 3G in my area.

What's up with everyone getting the first G1s not even having 3G yet? :)

[total]

What's up with everyone getting the first G1s not even having 3G yet? :)

I know fuckers. Give me my damn G1, I've got 3G waiting to be used here.

[Xerxes]

I know fuckers. Give me my damn G1, I've got 3G waiting to be used here.

Yeah! Maybe we'll be the first to use the G1 at full power. :rolleyes:

[Slack3r78]

Yeah! Maybe we'll be the first to use the G1 at full power. :rolleyes:
WiFi > 3G. I have WiFi at most of the places I spend my time. Home, work, the bar. :p

[Xerxes]

WiFi > 3G. I have WiFi at most of the places I spend my time. Home, work, the bar. :p

Wait, what kind of bar has wifi. :p

Is the wifi really that good? I was using my PSP and Wing side by side, and the wifi on the Wing is just mediocre. I'd actually me more excited for wifi it was decent. Meh, it was probably the crappy processing power of the Wing.

[Slack3r78]

Wait, what kind of bar has wifi. :p

Is the wifi really that good? I was using my PSP and Wing side by side, and the wifi on the Wing is just mediocre. I'd actually me more excited for wifi it was decent. Meh, it was probably the crappy processing power of the Wing.
Well, I mean, WiFi is going to be lower latency than a 3G network, so as far as the network connection itself goes, it's not going to be any snappier.

As far as what kind of bar has wifi -- the best kind.

[Sandman]

If it's anything like the iPhone wifi is a tad bit faster than 3G and saves battery life.

Slacker, you get 3G in Columbus? Maybe there is hope for Valdosta yet.

[Slack3r78]

Slacker, you get 3G in Columbus?
Negatory. Only the top 25 markets are getting 3G at launch -- i.e., today. Atlanta is the only GA market in that category, AFAIK.

[Xerxes]

Negatory. Only the top 25 markets are getting 3G at launch -- i.e., today. Atlanta is the only GA market in that category, AFAIK.

I was just about to post that.

[danielOut]

i can use wifi at work. but it is gov blocked. so, nearly uselesss. is wifi or edge easier on the battery?

[Raen]

UIs on the cutting floor.
http://www.tat.se/conceptlab/

Some of those UIs are simply stunning. I'm assuming that with Android being open source now some of these will become a reality?

[Xerxes]

Some of those UIs are simply stunning. I'm assuming that with Android being open source now some of these will become a reality?
I would love to see an organized version of Business UI.

[Slack3r78]

Some of those UIs are simply stunning. I'm assuming that with Android being open source now some of these will become a reality?
Eh, personally, for the most part I thought they were pretty, but complete usability disasters.

[Raen]

Eh, personally, for the most part I thought they were pretty, but complete usability disasters..

I think the 'Print' style one was very usable, at least from the look of it. Flowed nicely between segments etc... Does anyone know how Android connects to the UI? Is it an X-Windows style system, or is it more integrated between the UI and back end like MS's offerings?

[Slack3r78]

.

I think the 'Print' style one was very usable, at least from the look of it. Flowed nicely between segments etc...
It's definitely one of the cleanest, but it mistakes pretty for usable. It looks just like the name suggests - like a layed out, printed page. I don't see that as being a particularly useful computing metaphor, though.

Usable is something like Android's notification area. It's an omnipresent, consistent way of presenting information. I'm really of the opinion that it's probably the biggest usability win of the entire system.

[Xerxes]

The problem with Business is it probably is it would drain the battery. It's very busy. I think it's very usable however. Like instead of the ticker constantly, maybe a RSS Feed that just updates from time to time. Same for the pictures. Shrink the text. Make better use of space.

[danielOut]

I didn't really like any of them. But that's just me.

So far no real complaints, though (like has been said in all the reviews) an on-screen keyboard would have been nice, so that you don't HAVE to open to phone to reply "okay" when the wife asks you to pick something up on the way home. Ditto with the battery life; not terrible, but could stand some improvement.

Oh, and it gets HOT. The base of this thing gets really, really hot with heavy data usage.

[Xerxes]

I didn't really like any of them. But that's just me.

So far no real complaints, though (like has been said in all the reviews) an on-screen keyboard would have been nice, so that you don't HAVE to open to phone to reply "okay" when the wife asks you to pick something up on the way home. Ditto with the battery life; not terrible, but could stand some improvement.

Oh, and it gets HOT. The base of this thing gets really, really hot with heavy data usage.

I was comparing it to the Wing. I should be just fine. It has slightly better battery life and that's not so hot on the Wing. And sliding to type anything is s trip.

[Dukefrukem]

im jealous of everyone who has one... i need to wait until my contract is up with verizon before i can switch.. or pay the price!

[Xerxes]

im jealous of everyone who has one... i need to wait until my contract is up with verizon before i can switch.. or pay the price!

I just wish it was here already. November 10th seems like a long ways off.

[danielOut]

i can't wait for someone to release i good game for this puppy. like a full rpg. would rock.

[Xerxes]

i can't wait for someone to release i good game for this puppy. like a full rpg. would rock.

I'm more trying to think of kick ass apps it should have.

[Xerxes]

So far no real complaints, though (like has been said in all the reviews) an on-screen keyboard would have been nice, so that you don't HAVE to open to phone to reply "okay" when the wife asks you to pick something up on the way home. Ditto with the battery life; not terrible, but could stand some improvement.
And this is why ordered mines.

Ask and ye shall receive.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/10/23/android-to-get-touchscreen-keyboard-soon-ish/

[Xerxes]

Would it be possible to turn that camera into one that can shoot video?

[danielOut]

Not sure; did feel odd that it didn't come that way.

Though the camera is a bit wonky. My old motorolla PEBL and RIZR both had far superior cameras in terms of white balance and auto-iris. And more manual adjustment options.

[Xerxes]

Not sure; did feel odd that it didn't come that way.

Though the camera is a bit wonky. My old motorolla PEBL and RIZR both had far superior cameras in terms of white balance and auto-iris. And more manual adjustment options.

Sounds like my Wing's 2MP camera has better features. I think if folks figure out the hardware a little better, something can be done.

Also, I come bringing a deal. Fry's has a Kingston 8GB microSDHC card for $20. (http://shop3.frys.com/product/5707342)

Might be a while before the 16GBs are cheaper. I seen them on Amazon for $100. :eek:

[Xerxes]

QUESTION: Apps are only stored on the onboard memory?

[danielOut]

hrm, it appears that way. that would be weird...

can't find a way to change it, though

[Xerxes]

hrm, it appears that way. that would be weird...

can't find a way to change it, though

That could of been a deal breaker. I wonder could software fix that.

[danielOut]

I'm not sure what the apps can and can't ddo. though i'm being pretty liberal with my downloading and haven't run in to a space problem. still two thirds left. however, while not being an immediate problem, i could see it causing issues in the future.

[Slack3r78]

App stores opens up to all comers on Monday. Can't wait. Twitter app will be nice at a minimum.

[danielOut]

I find twitter to be useless. So meh.

Facebook app, on the other hand, will be nice. Same with something that can improve on this camera.

Circuit City has 8gb cards for $30. Might pick one up there and save myself the shipping and waiting.

[Xerxes]

I find twitter to be useless. So meh.

Facebook app, on the other hand, will be nice. Same with something that can improve on this camera.

Circuit City has 8gb cards for $30. Might pick one up there and save myself the shipping and waiting.

Shipping was free. My card will beat the phone too. :)

I hear facebook isn't lifting a thumb for google. So it'll be up to third party to hook that up.

I doubt I'll download apps like crazy, but i'd like to not know limits.

[danielOut]

Why the G-1 Beats the iPhone
(a short essay)
I just downloaded a lolcat builder.
~ fin ~

Twitter app hit today, as did gmote (http://www.gmote.org). I'm not a twitter fan, but for the sake of being an app-whore I think I'll have to sign up.

[Slack3r78]

Thanks for the heads up on the Twitter app danielOut. It hadn't hit the market yet when I checked earlier this morning.

[danielOut]

get gmote. it is full of win. i can totally creep out anyone in the apartment by playing music remotely. you could play a theme song evvery time you walk iin the door!

[Xerxes]

It's such a tall order to try out everything and to get it in order. Yes yes, I went and picked mines up. I'll send the one that comes in the mail back if I can't stop them from shipping me one.

[danielOut]

The rate at which stuff has been coming out today has been insane.

by the way, i just scared the hell out of my wife with gmote by playing music while i was out of the apartment. it was awesome.

[boratika]

The rate at which stuff has been coming out today has been insane.

by the way, i just scared the hell out of my wife with gmote by playing music while i was out of the apartment. it was awesome.

I guessing your wife would probably respectfully disagree with how awesome that was.






I may agree though...

[Xerxes]

The rate at which stuff has been coming out today has been insane.

by the way, i just scared the hell out of my wife with gmote by playing music while i was out of the apartment. it was awesome.

I downloaded it but I haven't played with it yet. Waiting til I get home. Bout to spend quality time getting my contacts in google.

[rifter]

Mine came in today. Interesting phone. Still mixed on it, though. I am trying to do the Gmote thing, to my GF. :-)

[Xerxes]

I think my only complaint so far, is the battery life does suck ass. Also the sliding setup is crappy. Doesn't feel solid. My top screen makes a creaking noise when I touch it anywhere on the left hand side. In recent memory, the design has to be their biggest dud. It's not a brick but at least that brick was solid.

[Slack3r78]

I think my only complaint so far, is the battery life does suck ass. Also the sliding setup is crappy. Doesn't feel solid. My top screen makes a creaking noise when I touch it anywhere on the left hand side. In recent memory, the design has to be their biggest dud. It's not a brick but at least that brick was solid.

That's odd. The slider on mine is very solid and that end od the design has gotten generally good reviews. I woender if you got a problematic unit?

[Shadowstorm]

I've done a bit of research into this and it seems to me that the only real negative is the phone's battery life. I'd be really interested to get one in the near future.

[Slack3r78]

I've done a bit of research into this and it seems to me that the only real negative is the phone's battery life. I'd be really interested to get one in the near future.
Battery life hasn't bothered me as much as I thought it would. I just throw it on the charger during the afternoon at work and I'm good for any amount that I'll actually use it during the day.

[danielOut]

If i don't use data features, it gets about the same life as my old motorolla RIZR. data drains battery on any phone; the more i get used to the phone the less of an issue i have with the batttery. curious if a lot of early complaints are coming from people (like me) who haven't used a smartphone before. Also, dowloading apps is a real battery killer. Now that I'm not doing rampant downloading, and have learned to moderate my data, things are much better for me. Of course, I'm not on a 3G network yet. So there is that...

Also, rifter, let us know how sdcaring the GF goes. I highly recommend recording your voice as an mp3. Something like, Ksweetheart, the man about to walk in the door isn't me. It is a clone, and it is going to try to kill you. Don't let on that you know." And play it just before you walk in. That is what I should have done.

Everyone's favorite apps so far? Gmote, compare anywhere, solitare, and picsay foer me. Picsay is a must, get it as soon as you get the phone. Much better than the lolcat creator

[Slack3r78]

If i don't use data features, it gets about the same life as my old motorolla RIZR. data drains battery on any phone; the more i get used to the phone the less of an issue i have with the batttery. curious if a lot of early complaints are coming from people (like me) who haven't used a smartphone before.
I mean, even when I use data fairly heavily on a night out, I haven't succeeded in burning more than about half the battery before I get somewhere I can charge it. I've taken to leaving the AC adapter plugged up at work and carrying the USB cable in my bag with my laptop.

[Xerxes]

That's odd. The slider on mine is very solid and that end od the design has gotten generally good reviews. I wonder if you got a problematic unit?
My friend's does the same thing as mine. If Tmobile does send me another phone since I also ordered one online before picking one up at the store, I might check it before sending it back. Basically get a sense of if my phone IS problematic. I'm thinking about getting insurance, just in case down the line I need it replaced. Matter of fact, I might just stop by another T-Mobile and check the demo model. I didn't notice one way or another last time I was in the store.

If i don't use data features, it gets about the same life as my old motorolla RIZR. data drains battery on any phone; the more i get used to the phone the less of an issue i have with the batttery. curious if a lot of early complaints are coming from people (like me) who haven't used a smartphone before. Also, dowloading apps is a real battery killer. Now that I'm not doing rampant downloading, and have learned to moderate my data, things are much better for me. Of course, I'm not on a 3G network yet. So there is that...

You know data is always on. That's different. I think my blackberry didn't drain as much cause you had to keep cutting it on before a app needed it.

[rifter]

Also, rifter, let us know how sdcaring the GF goes. I highly recommend recording your voice as an mp3. Something like, Ksweetheart, the man about to walk in the door isn't me. It is a clone, and it is going to try to kill you. Don't let on that you know." And play it just before you walk in. That is what I should have done.


I just walked into another room, and started my computer playing music, shortly after that post last night. :-) Her response to your idea:

if I heard it I swear you'd find your g1 under your tire

[kaeylyna]

Yeah this is the GF, there will be no scaring with gmote. I'll just whip out my iPhone and return the favor... I feel a High School Musical sing-a-long coming on with the children...

[rifter]

Yeah this is the GF, there will be no scaring with gmote. I'll just whip out my iPhone and return the favor... I feel a High School Musical sing-a-long coming on with the children...

Come on... MINE was funny... HSM sing-along with the kids... that is just too cruel for words. I think that cruel and unusual punishment is barred by our constitution.

[danielOut]

Yeah this is the GF, there will be no scaring with gmote. I'll just whip out my iPhone and return the favor... I feel a High School Musical sing-a-long coming on with the children...

okay, okay. at least help hiim use it to scare friends and family? thinking about queing up thunder/scary sounds i can trigger when i answer the door on halloween

[kaeylyna]

I can see it now. Remote access wars with our computers... It's so not fair though you're speakers are louder!

I think we should definitely set something up for gaming night ;) I'll have our friend come over and record her saying something. She has a creepy voice.

[rifter]

I don't know... I like the idea of a themesong, as I come home... Maybe...

I AM NINJA!
9lVSub2wsys

[rifter]

If anyone is interested in some alternate G1 wallpapers, I have cropped and resized 12 pictures (so far) for use. I created a pictures/wallpaper directory to put them in, but quite honestly, you put a picture ANYWHERE on your SD card, and it will let you use it.

For some reason, these images are prompted to crop. If you drag it to the edge, it grabs the entire image. They are resized to 640x480, which I have read is the proper size for the wallpaper. So, it is ONE minor wrinkle when setting custom wallpapers.

Anyhow, go here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryfter/sets/72157608461405795/) to see my wallpapers. I have changed the copyright on them all, and moved them to non-commercial, creative commons. So, anyone can use them. :-)

[Xerxes]

I can see it now. Remote access wars with our computers... It's so not fair though you're speakers are louder!

I think we should definitely set something up for gaming night ;) I'll have our friend come over and record her saying something. She has a creepy voice.

Do something ghost in the machine-ish. Or you could just Rick roll them.

I think me using a bluetooth headset might also be a drain on the battery.

[Xerxes]

I don't know... I like the idea of a themesong, as I come home... Maybe...

I AM NINJA!
No you aren't!!!

YOU ARE A PIRATE!!!
ZLsJyfN0ICU

[danielOut]

I use one "pane" as a blank wallpaper pane, and keep my phone-related apps (messaging, contacts, dialer) on the middle pane, with the far right pane being my "data apps" pane. Though most stuff doesn't make it to shortcut status; i like tidy desktops.
However, my wallpaper is cropped so that it my cat only show up in the far left pane, my "wallpaper" pane. He vanishes if you slide to the other two. Landscape mode, of course, breaks this.

Also, the Orientation app is really nice. The detailed data you can get from GPS mode that way is interesting. Grab it if you want a neat toy. Plus, it has a compass that works without GPS being on.

[Voodoo]

No you aren't!!!

YOU ARE A PIRATE!!!
v61sBTr7P-w

Definitely one of my favorites.

[Slack3r78]

http://uploads.evilavatarcomics.com/Slack3r78/images/obeyvb.jpg

PicSay is fucking awesome.

[Xerxes]

How does one install apk files to your phone?

I'm interested in trying Android Shuffle (http://code.google.com/p/android-shuffle/wiki/ScreenShots).

[boratika]

No you aren't!!!

YOU ARE A PIRATE!!!
ZLsJyfN0ICU

I never knew that's where that song came from. I'd only ever seen the looping flash animation that uses it. Now the ninja-thrust-digging seems even more wrong. (Not to mention the exploding bikini padlocks...)

[Cupelix]

I'm so out of the fancy phone loop; I bought an LG chocolate two years ago, and while not a dud, exactly, it's not a terribly impressive piece of machinery. Having this style of an "open source" phone would be awesome though - but I can't deny that in my area, Verizon's coverage is quite simply fantastic. Does anyone know if there are any rumblings of an Android phone coming for Verizon? Or does their tendency to be completely anal about their network make such a flexible phone unlikely?

[Slack3r78]

Or does their tendency to be completely anal about their network make such a flexible phone unlikely?
This, for now.

[danielOut]

How does one install apk files to your phone?

I'm interested in trying Android Shuffle (http://code.google.com/p/android-shuffle/wiki/ScreenShots).

Not sure, but I've got a slow day at work. Will try to figure it out.

BTW, Parallel Kingdom comes out tomorrow, supposedly. Anyone else find it interesting?

[rifter]

Does anyone know if there are any rumblings of an Android phone coming for Verizon? Or does their tendency to be completely anal about their network make such a flexible phone unlikely?

Hell, I am a tmobile customer, and our last smartphone, was the friggin Wing. They give us 1 smart phone like every 3 or 4 years. :-(

As for Verizon, who knows. They have some decent stuff, but they seem to really like blackberries.

Just, don't call customer support. Verizon is jacking around their agents, so if you call, don't expect good service, unless it is simple.

[Bone]

This, for now.don't know if this is true, but I've been hearing it in multiple places. Some people cracked the Android unlock and are selling it for $23 (http://mobile.informationweek.com/device/article.php?mid=&CALL_URL=http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/10/hackers_crack_o.html;jsessionid=E3XR4EZRG3GBYQSNDL OSKHSCJUNN2JVN).

EDIT: Oh, and apparently it breaks your Google login and Android store, so... yeah. Not ready for primetime.

[Gitaroomaan]

don't know if this is true, but I've been hearing it in multiple places. Some people cracked the Android unlock and are selling it for $23 (http://mobile.informationweek.com/device/article.php?mid=&CALL_URL=http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/10/hackers_crack_o.html;jsessionid=E3XR4EZRG3GBYQSNDL OSKHSCJUNN2JVN).

EDIT: Oh, and apparently it breaks your Google login and Android store, so... yeah. Not ready for primetime.

The current G1, however, isn't compatible with CDMA networks (Verizon, Sprint), so even if you can unlock the thing it'll only be for GSM (AT&T, T-Mobile, my shitty Unicel network...).

[Xerxes]

This, for now.

Not just this. But Android and G-1 are the product of the Open Handset Alliance. If they keep things within there group, there are the only operators having native support.

* China Mobile
* KDDI Corporation
* NTT DoCoMo
* Sprint Nextel (Not really really loving android so says Dan Hesse.) (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/10/25/dan-hesse-sez-android-not-yet-good-enough-for-sprint-brand/)
* T-Mobile
* Telecom Italia
* Telefónica

Unlocking is already happening but that doesn't get you into the store or a gmail account yet. The marriage with the gmail accounts is nice too.

Again based on the partners next handsets are coming different companies.

* HTC
* LG
* Motorola
* Samsung Electronics

I know Motorola is next but LG and Samsung say Q3 2009. I actually think I have the scoop on some of this. Just by noticing stuff. I'll share some screen shots and let you be the judge.

Also ebay is a software partner. I hope this includes half. I wish the savvy shopper scanners also price checked half. For books, it's almost always the best bet.

T-Mobile America probably feel like big shots for the first time. I can't think of having any product with any hype value that AT&T wasn't ready to step on. Feels like right now the only response is, "Well, we still have the Iphone."

[Xerxes]

Not sure, but I've got a slow day at work. Will try to figure it out.

BTW, Parallel Kingdom comes out tomorrow, supposedly. Anyone else find it interesting?

Thanks D. I think the app is abandon ware. If only I could program. >_<

[danielOut]

Alright, i lied to you. The only had .zip download of the file, so I couldn't snag it from my phone. Which brings up another issue...
zip/rar/tar downloading/compressing/extracting... someone needs to get on that for the phone.

Home now, but I have to go clean out the car. Hopefully getting rid of it and getting a new one today. Sorry Xerx, maybe after the show tonight. And since i mentioned it above but had no link, check out Parallel Kingdom (http://www.parallelkingdom.com/home.shtml), which is supposed to launch tomorrow. Interesting concept, but maybe creepy.

[Xerxes]

Alright, i lied to you. The only had .zip download of the file, so I couldn't snag it from my phone. Which brings up another issue...
zip/rar/tar downloading/compressing/extracting... someone needs to get on that for the phone.

Home now, but I have to go clean out the car. Hopefully getting rid of it and getting a new one today. Sorry Xerx, maybe after the show tonight. And since i mentioned it above but had no link, check out Parallel Kingdom (http://www.parallelkingdom.com/home.shtml), which is supposed to launch tomorrow. Interesting concept, but maybe creepy.

I looked at that website. RPG in real life could be very scary. :)

Based on the concept, they should have called it Two Worlds Mobile. :D

[zorgan]

Yeah

The First MMTRG is out !!! :)
http://www.mmtrg.com

[Xerxes]

Yeah

The First MMTRG is out !!! :)
http://www.mmtrg.com

I think JOYity falls in the same category. And it was out along time ago.

[danielOut]

PK is fun, though it absolutely brings the rest of the phone to a crawl. Very resource heavy. Can be a problem since you can't forcekill apps yet...

[Xerxes]

Damn shame... Verizon, get a life.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2008/10/vzw-g1-1.jpg

[rifter]

Damn shame... Verizon, get a life.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2008/10/vzw-g1-1.jpg

Well, I guess Kudos to T-mobile for actually LAUNCHING a phone, gen 1, with 3G. Unlike the iphone. I believe that Tmobile also has blackberries and other phones with Exchangelink. Hell, their Wing works with Exchange (I used to have one). I seem to recall a certain 1st gen iphone lacking exchange, too...

You know what this whitepaper reminds me of? Someone looking at what the Iphone 1 lacked, and then smacked "G1" in place of Iphone 2g. :-)

Don't get me wrong, I LIKE the Iphone... but this is a LOT of marketing hogwash.

So... I take it, it is just the 3 of us with the G1? :-) If you want to have a fun app, check out Zombie Run. :-)

[Slack3r78]

Damn shame... Verizon, get a life.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2008/10/vzw-g1-1.jpg
3G and internal memory are about the only ones that can't be fixed by developers.

Well, I guess Kudos to T-mobile for actually LAUNCHING a phone, gen 1, with 3G. Unlike the iphone.
In all honesty, I've been shocked at how good T-mo's EDGE network is. Having lived with somebody with an iPhone, EDGE is basically worthless on AT&T's network here. I just spent an hour and a half waiting in line to vote and EDGE was perfectly fine for browsing to keep myself occupied during that time.

[rifter]

3G and internal memory are about the only ones that can't be fixed by developers.

Yea, and QUITE honestly, that internal memory, IS a good bullet point. It was moronic not to put at LEAST 1 gig internal on. As it stands now, you can't isntall apps to the SD card, so it is good for data, songs, videos, and pictures...


In all honesty, I've been shocked at how good T-mo's EDGE network is. Having lived with somebody with an iPhone, EDGE is basically worthless on AT&T's network here. I just spent an hour and a half waiting in line to vote and EDGE was perfectly fine for browsing to keep myself occupied during that time.

Here in Boise, EDGE is quite good. I used to have it on my wing, and the Iphone my GF uses (on T-mobile). It works great. Honestly, it isn't OFTEN that I notice EDGE service.

[Slack3r78]

Yea, and QUITE honestly, that internal memory, IS a good bullet point. It was moronic not to put at LEAST 1 gig internal on. As it stands now, you can't isntall apps to the SD card, so it is good for data, songs, videos, and pictures...
I agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see the ability to install apps to the SD card in a future OS update, however. Google has said flat out that the OS is far from complete.

Here in Boise, EDGE is quite good. I used to have it on my wing, and the Iphone my GF uses (on T-mobile). It works great. Honestly, it isn't OFTEN that I notice EDGE service.
I've actually been using EDGE fairly heavily when I'm out around town. I have a neanderthal friend who has no Wifi at his house, so it gets used there as well as when riding in a car with others and the like. It's good enough that I can even watch Youtube videos and the like over EDGE with minimal wait. AT&T's EDGE network here is so bad that even simple web browsing is basically impossible.

[Xerxes]

Well, I guess Kudos to T-mobile for actually LAUNCHING a phone, gen 1, with 3G. Unlike the iphone. I believe that Tmobile also has blackberries and other phones with Exchangelink. Hell, their Wing works with Exchange (I used to have one). I seem to recall a certain 1st gen iphone lacking exchange, too...

You know what this whitepaper reminds me of? Someone looking at what the Iphone 1 lacked, and then smacked "G1" in place of Iphone 2g. :-)

Don't get me wrong, I LIKE the Iphone... but this is a LOT of marketing hogwash.

So... I take it, it is just the 3 of us with the G1? :-) If you want to have a fun app, check out Zombie Run. :-)
It's about 4 of us with G-1s and a few still waiting. I think Verizon is more so trying to pimp the Blackberry Storm. G-1 is being given marketing like the iphone almost. It's the biggest phone launch since then and Verizon probably thought they deserved that. Instead of smearing, they should actually get to marketing the Storm. To me, I just see another blackberry. Nothing special. <shrug>

3G and internal memory are about the only ones that can't be fixed by developers.
Couldn't the internal memory "issue" be rerouted to the SD card? I see no reason why the SD card can't run apps. Maybe I got it wrong but I thought it was possible with the wing and winmo. So it seems possible, just a software issue.

I'm still curious about turning the camera into one that can do more than stills, as in video. I'm sure the stills itself can also be handled better with proper software.

Someone ripped one up (http://androidcommunity.com/t-mobile-g1-gets-dissected-20081031/), so hopefully people can learn a little more about the hardware. I also expect an exchange program sooner than later. Sidenote, why aren't a picasa(photos) and google office apps made/linked to the gmail counter parts? What's up with that?!

Mobile Youtube is ok but I'd probably like it with flash more. Again, think of the hulu. ^_^


I have to take mines back. My top screen is loose. Confirmed. My friend just came over with his, and it's a lot tighter than mines.

[danielOut]

I can't view my google maps on my phone; I made one for geocaching to use tomorrow, but i can't pull it up. Anyone help?

[rifter]

It's about 4 of us with G-1s and a few still waiting. I think Verizon is more so trying to pimp the Blackberry Storm. G-1 is being given marketing like the iphone almost. It's the biggest phone launch since then and Verizon probably thought they deserved that. Instead of smearing, they should actually get to marketing the Storm. To me, I just see another blackberry. Nothing special. <shrug>


After reading this, I realized that was a Vzn piece, not an AT&T piece... my bad. :-)


Couldn't the internal memory "issue" be rerouted to the SD card? I see no reason why the SD card can't run apps. Maybe I got it wrong but I thought it was possible with the wing and winmo. So it seems possible, just a software issue.

I killed my Wing over 4th of July, and at that point, I didn't know of a way to put apps on the SD card, they used internal memory, but it had almost NO internal memory. The G1 is like a vista, compared to the Wing.


I also expect an exchange program sooner than later. Sidenote, why aren't a picasa(photos) and google office apps made/linked to the gmail counter parts? What's up with that?!

Mobile Youtube is ok but I'd probably like it with flash more. Again, think of the hulu. ^_^

Everything I think, and expect, and am surprised by. I am really surprised by the lack of google office apps. VERY saddened by it, too.


I have to take mines back. My top screen is loose. Confirmed. My friend just came over with his, and it's a lot tighter than mines.
Ok, THAT sucks. :-(

[Xerxes]

They wouldn't let me get a replacement talking about that's how it is. All their store models are fucked up. I think it had to do with that asshole trying to set my phone up for me. She ripped the back off. She was probably gripped tight on the first screen.

It's not earth shattering but when you have something you want it as tight as possible. When the other one comes in the mail I'll just take this one back. Fuck T-Mobile store. Didn't want her dumb ass touching my phone in the first place. >_<

[danielOut]

First day of geocaching using the G1, was awesome. We had a great time, and the GPS worked wonderfully.

[Xerxes]

Scene this on the Talk Android (http://www.talkandroid.com/wallpapers/index.php) forum.

For the gamers out there this is the only one.
http://www.talkandroid.com/wallpapers/images/2/1_1209960048162.jpg

Would probably be hot shit to get some of the Wipeout HD screens down to size.

You know I just deleted the clock on mines. I just started to think why do I need to clocks on the home screen.

[danielOut]

that was the first thing i did; delete that clock :)

[Xerxes]

that was the first thing i did; delete that clock :)
I'm still plotting on taking this one back. :(

[danielOut]

Poor Xerx! That really sucks that yours is wonky. WalMart will be getting them soon, and selling them for $145. Why not return yours and grab a new one there?

[rifter]

I hope they come out with some cool widgets. I replaced the clock widget with the google widget.. .though, I never use it. :-)

[Slack3r78]

I hope they come out with some cool widgets. I replaced the clock widget with the google widget.. .though, I never use it. :-)

Not a lot of point when the omni present search button is on your keyboard.

[Xerxes]

Poor Xerx! That really sucks that yours is wonky. WalMart will be getting them soon, and selling them for $145. Why not return yours and grab a new one there?

I think I have one coming in the mail. Got a text msg saying it was sent. I'll be able test one that has been tampered with and I can be 100%. My invisishield comes today and I can't even put it on. That bites.

I've have purposed my new phone to get me on track with some personal goals. Like a personal assistant.

[danielOut]

I've have purposed my new phone to get me on track with some personal goals. Like a personal assistant.
That's why I got a wife.

anyone get an audio adapter yet? I tried picking up one i could plug in my aux input in my car, but it didn't recognize it

[Xerxes]

Do any of you know how to format the wing?

[danielOut]

The RC29 update just went to my phone last night. finally, no more RC19!

not that i can tell a difference...

[Slack3r78]

The RC29 update just went to my phone last night. finally, no more RC19!

not that i can tell a difference...
Biggest difference is it asks whether or not you want to mount the phone as USB mass storage when you plug it into a computer now.

[Xerxes]

Biggest difference is it asks whether or not you want to mount the phone as USB mass storage when you plug it into a computer now.
Yep. That's the only thing I can see. It's also supposed to patch a security leak. But who can see those until you blue screen.

The next one should include more syncing with google apps.

[danielOut]

Like fucking my maps on google. would make geocaching so much easier.

supposedly montgomery is getting 3g in late november. that'd be nice

[Xerxes]

Like fucking my maps on google. would make geocaching so much easier.

supposedly montgomery is getting 3g in late november. that'd be nice

Congrats?!:D

Is the gps always wonky or is there a way to get it correct?

[danielOut]

my GPS works great.

[Xerxes]

my GPS works great.

Mine says I'm down the street. :(

Edit: Today it just told me what building I'm in on campus. That's badass and scary.

[danielOut]

At work it found me to the parking space. :)

I can get 8m accuracy pretty damn quickly here, dropping to 3m if I hold still a second. While traveling, it usually stays within 3m-8m. (Traveling by car, that is)

In the apartment it sometimes has a little trouble, occasionally telling me I'm in the unit next door. But most of the time it will even be able to tell me which end of the apartment I'm at fairly quick.

You in Houston, Xerx?

[Xerxes]

At work it found me to the parking space. :)

I can get 8m accuracy pretty damn quickly here, dropping to 3m if I hold still a second. While traveling, it usually stays within 3m-8m. (Traveling by car, that is)

In the apartment it sometimes has a little trouble, occasionally telling me I'm in the unit next door. But most of the time it will even be able to tell me which end of the apartment I'm at fairly quick.

You in Houston, Xerx?

Yes. I just walked a little bit and it told me I was in the building next door. :D

[rifter]

I got the update this morning, when I woke up. :-) It seems to be a little more smoother. That is about all. I know there are several fixes in it.

Do any of you know how to format the wing?
Soaking it in a stream, earlier this year, made my data inaccessable... YMMV on that solution, though. :-)

[Slack3r78]

The GPS can be a little flaky when you're stationary, but I've found it works absolutely flawlessly when you're moving.

[danielOut]

Xerxes, I think you should do some extensive research on your GPS data....

http://www.geocaching.com/map/default.aspx?lat=29.716383115361346&lng=-95.39875030517578&zm=13&mt=m

[Xerxes]

Xerxes, I think you should do some extensive research on your GPS data....

http://www.geocaching.com/map/default.aspx?lat=29.716383115361346&lng=-95.39875030517578&zm=13&mt=m

What am I looking at? :confused:
This a android app?

[danielOut]

Geocaching. Those are objects hidden in the real world. The basic premise is you go to Geocaching.com, search for your location, and find a nearby cache. Then, you program the cache in to the DPS device of your choice (your G1, for instance) and go find it. Sign the logbook and, if you would like, take a trinket from the cache and leave a new trinket. (Note: not all caches are big enough to support swag)

I know this requires going outdoors, but it is actually a lot of fun. I spent my saturday crawling in a storm drain under a Costco parking lot, tramping about in the woods of a local park, sulking around lightposts in a shopping center, and searching in treestumps. It thrives in both urban and rural areas. Best experienced with two or three friends who are just as crazy as you.

A better explanation can be found here (http://www.geocaching.com/about/history.aspx).

A handful of geocaching assistant apps are in development for Android. However, none of them are ready for beta yet. One is pretty close, though. Probably within a couple of weeks. Currently, I create a txt file with the GPS locations of a variety of nearby caches. Open the text file on the G1, copy the address, open maps, paste go to directions. Use "my location" for the start, and paste the cache location. Then get route. It works really well because it will map the quickest road route that leads you close to the cache, and then you're on your own on foot to get to the actual location.

[Xerxes]

Geocaching. Those are objects hidden in the real world. The basic premise is you go to Geocaching.com, search for your location, and find a nearby cache. Then, you program the cache in to the DPS device of your choice (your G1, for instance) and go find it. Sign the logbook and, if you would like, take a trinket from the cache and leave a new trinket. (Note: not all caches are big enough to support swag)

I know this requires going outdoors, but it is actually a lot of fun. I spent my saturday crawling in a storm drain under a Costco parking lot, tramping about in the woods of a local park, sulking around lightposts in a shopping center, and searching in treestumps. It thrives in both urban and rural areas. Best experienced with two or three friends who are just as crazy as you.

A better explanation can be found here (http://www.geocaching.com/about/history.aspx).

A handful of geocaching assistant apps are in development for Android. However, none of them are ready for beta yet. One is pretty close, though. Probably within a couple of weeks. Currently, I create a txt file with the GPS locations of a variety of nearby caches. Open the text file on the G1, copy the address, open maps, paste go to directions. Use "my location" for the start, and paste the cache location. Then get route. It works really well because it will map the quickest road route that leads you close to the cache, and then you're on your own on foot to get to the actual location.
Hmmmm I wonder if there are any treasures on campus.

[danielOut]

College campuses are almost a shoe in for at least a cache or two.

[danielOut]

Alright, I've got a boring day at work. If anyone is bored and wants to gchat, you can add me. [cogname] ATSYMBOL gmail PERIOD com

[Xerxes]

Alright, I've got a boring day at work. If anyone is bored and wants to gchat, you can add me. [cogname] ATSYMBOL gmail PERIOD com

sorry i was late. I finally switched phones. It's a little loose but again not like my other phone. Hell it creaked just being picked up.

[Seika]

So, I finally walked into a T-mobile store and got one.
Last one they had in stock.

Man, this thing fracking rocks!
The 3G speeds are generally good, and the WiFi at my college is incredible.

Now to program some apps. Hmmm.

[Xerxes]

Welcome to the club.

[danielOut]

you're going to program some apps? I'm pretty sure Xerx has a list of requests already :)

Welcome to the g-1 club!

[Xerxes]

Yay!!!!! FLASH! (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/11/17/finally-proper-banner-ads-for-android-flash-demoed-on-a-g1/)

[danielOut]

finally! not having flash support REALLY cripples a phone.

[NoName]

Ug... my resistance to playing the waiting game is weakening...

[rifter]

What I find funny, that I have not seen mentioned, is that Flash on an Android is basically going to mean, flash, on an Iphone. Apple can NOT allow the Android to have a "killer app" like Flash on it.

[Slack3r78]

My wall charger appears to be dead as the phone refuses to acknowledge it, but charges perfectly fine over USB. Called T-mo and 10 minutes later I have them sending me both another charger and a battery free of charge. Awesome.

[Xerxes]

What I find funny, that I have not seen mentioned, is that Flash on an Android is basically going to mean, flash, on an Iphone. Apple can NOT allow the Android to have a "killer app" like Flash on it.

I think in the end of lot of thing will kind of crossover to both phones, with Android sooner than later being the one that's opening up new things first. Stupid Iphonians will never thank us. :)

My wall charger appears to be dead as the phone refuses to acknowledge it, but charges perfectly fine over USB. Called T-mo and 10 minutes later I have them sending me both another charger and a battery free of charge. Awesome.

That's pretty sweet. I almost always usb charge; That and car charge. Before I crash, I'm normally at my desk with the phone. Pop that in and jump into bed. Being the lazy bastard I am, I can't walk a few feet, BEND DOWN, and plug the phone up. We just can't have that.

[Slack3r78]

That's pretty sweet. I almost always usb charge; That and car charge. Before I crash, I'm normally at my desk with the phone. Pop that in and jump into bed. Being the lazy bastard I am, I can't walk a few feet, BEND DOWN, and plug the phone up. We just can't have that.
I leave the wall charger at work, and hook the phone up during the day. I keep the USB plugged into my desktop at home and keep a second cable in my bag with my laptop.

[Xerxes]

I leave the wall charger at work, and hook the phone up during the day. I keep the USB plugged into my desktop at home and keep a second cable in my bag with my laptop.

Oh ok. I don't know how I got so many usb mini cables. I have a few right here at home. I think these were originally for my ps3 controller. Side note, I don't remember when the last time I had to charge those controllers. Well done Sony. And one in my laptop bags, that belongs to my external HDD. I've had to use that one in class a few times. And the one at my desk at work is a mystery.

[Ancalagon]

Apple has actually explicitly stated they wont support Flash. (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13451)

So.... you might be out of luck, iPhonians. I've been having a look at a smartphone/touchscreen phone, and to be honest I havent seen a phone that can convincingly out iPhone the iPhone. I mean, the Blackberry Storm comes the closest, but apparently its lacking in other respects. I'm also not sure I want such an expensive toy - I dont even use my phone that much.

[Xerxes]

Apple has actually explicitly stated they wont support Flash. (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13451)

So.... you might be out of luck, iPhonians. I've been having a look at a smartphone/touchscreen phone, and to be honest I havent seen a phone that can convincingly out iPhone the iPhone. I mean, the Blackberry Storm comes the closest, but apparently its lacking in other respects. I'm also not sure I want such an expensive toy - I dont even use my phone that much.

I think most folks gave up on trying out iphone the iphone. Seems like most folks are smart enough to out smartphone the iphone. Copy and paste and now flash for the win? :cool:

[rifter]

Right now, the iPhone pushes the boundrieds in what they do. Remember, an iPhone is not a smart phone, and Apple has done their best to avoid that monkier. I think they call it a multimedia phone or something like that.

So, right now, the G1 is playing catch up to the iPhone. I believe, that in the future, the Android platform will begin PUSHING features on the iPhone, as people realize Apple is retarded for not having them (Cut and Paste). You will also find them HAVING to loosen things up, or they will start loosing market share... Blocking flash, will end up being a BIG no-no. If they don't accept it, the Android platform will shut down the iPhone platform, for good. Just the nature of the iPhone, and how it has been established, means they must have Flash, and not allowing it is not a real option for them.

At least, that is MY opinion.

[KingGorilla]

My thing is that so long as these data plans are so limited, and going over your bandwidth cap is so costly, I do not want flash. Flash is why it is not uncommon to fine sites that load with as much as 10 MB of content. You also need to take into account viewing optimization, youtube is 640x480, most phone screens are 320X240, generous at 480 X 320. Tiny, barely recognizeable video when compressed like that.

[Xerxes]

My thing is that so long as these data plans are so limited, and going over your bandwidth cap is so costly, I do not want flash. Flash is why it is not uncommon to fine sites that load with as much as 10 MB of content. You also need to take into account viewing optimization, youtube is 640x480, most phone screens are 320X240, generous at 480 X 320. Tiny, barely recognizeable video when compressed like that.

My data plan is unlimited.:confused:

[KingGorilla]

But not all carriers offer unlimited plans, let alone affordable ones. The T Mobile G1 is on a 1 Gig cap I beleive. Even so called unlimited plans have effective caps. I have seen articles where testers have seen AT&T's near the 9 Gig mark. Double check what their use of unlimited means as well. I cannot think of one that is unlimited with 3G speeds for example, you will get throttled.

[Xerxes]

But not all carriers offer unlimited plans, let alone affordable ones. The T Mobile G1 is on a 1 Gig cap I beleive. Even so called unlimited plans have effective caps. I have seen articles where testers have seen AT&T's near the 9 Gig mark. Double check what their use of unlimited means as well. I cannot think of one that is unlimited with 3G speeds for example, you will get throttled.

Nope. They said 1GB and rescinded that decision almost the next day. They are looking into during the process. So most likely they are looking into how bad people get with it first I assume.

[danielOut]

I have unlimited data, so I say bring on the Flash!

Downloaded the graphic benchmark app, and I was pretty impressed.

[harle]

I don't know how great this deal is compared to others, but I just glanced upon this (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1024039) deal thread:

T-Mobile G1 for $139.99 + FREE BT Headset + FREE Companion Airfare (w/new activation - 2-year term)

[Xerxes]

Now that's a deal.

[Banacek]

How is it dealing with Office documents? I'm assuming that it uses the Google apps to open them. Hopefully it works, cause I want to pick one up.

[Xerxes]

How is it dealing with Office documents? I'm assuming that it uses the Google apps to open them. Hopefully it works, cause I want to pick one up.

Write now. In my eyes it's a wash. There maybe an app in the app store, but I was/am annoyed none of the google office products made it into a "lite" version for the phone. I know there are some notepad-ish apps. I use to write on Mobile Word and the usb sync it so I can clean it up like a real paper. I was wanting that.

I'm holding out hope that mobile office will come down sooner or later. Maybe a mobile picasa as well. Let me send my apps to my account in a snap.

[Banacek]

Write now. In my eyes it's a wash. There maybe an app in the app store, but I was/am annoyed none of the google office products made it into a "lite" version for the phone. I know there are some notepad-ish apps. I use to write on Mobile Word and the usb sync it so I can clean it up like a real paper. I was wanting that.

I'm holding out hope that mobile office will come down sooner or later. Maybe a mobile picasa as well. Let me send my apps to my account in a snap.

Oh that's weak. Why wouldn't they have ported their apps to their phone? That makes no sense. Maybe someone is working on OpenOffice.

[Xerxes]

Oh that's weak. Why wouldn't they have ported their apps to their phone? That makes no sense. Maybe someone is working on OpenOffice.

Exactly. They brought a lite chrome and gmail app over and went for a smoke break.

[danielOut]

There is a picasa app out there... can't recall the name at the moment, but it is out there. Works okay.

[Slack3r78]

There is a picasa app out there... can't recall the name at the moment, but it is out there. Works okay.
Pictorial. It's one of the prettiest apps available so far.

[Xerxes]

Pictorial. It's one of the prettiest apps available so far.

Does it sync to picasa?

[Banacek]

I don't know how great this deal is compared to others, but I just glanced upon this (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1024039) deal thread:

T-Mobile G1 for $139.99 + FREE BT Headset + FREE Companion Airfare (w/new activation - 2-year term)

That deal was too good to pass up. I just got off the phone with them, got the phone for $139.99.

[Slack3r78]

Does it sync to picasa?
Picasa web gallery, yes.

[Xerxes]

Ain't that a bitch. Now they are including the 3.5mm head phone adapter. It doesn't pay to be an early adopter.

[Banacek]

Ain't that a bitch. Now they are including the 3.5mm head phone adapter. It doesn't pay to be an early adopter.

They gave me this headset (http://www.jr.com/samsung/pe/SAM_WEP350/) with my phone. No idea if it's any good, but it's better than nothing.

[danielOut]

Sure it pays to be an earlier adopter. The week it came out the cute asian waitresses at the Thai place fawned all over it. It -so- pays to have stuff other people don't. ;)

But seriously, I like being ahead of the mass-market wave of technology. Sure, it hasn't had the kinks worked out yet, but it is so exciting to see the new stuff.

[PathMaster]

I am personally waiting for Verizon to announce and release an Android phone? Any ideas when? I am also waiting to see what happens with the Meizu M8, looks interesting.

[Xerxes]

Verizon is apart of the Open Handset Alliance but I don't know how committed they are to actually bringing a phone out. They said the Android wasn't ready, and then they came out with list of reason not to buy a G1. Maybe it'll happen when Motorola comes out with their Android line up.

[Slack3r78]

Verizon is apart of the Open Handset Alliance but I don't know how committed they are to actually bringing a phone out. They said the Android wasn't ready, and then they came out with list of reason not to buy a G1. Maybe it'll happen when Motorola comes out with their Android line up.
Sure you're not thinking of Sprint?

[Xerxes]

Ok Verizon was the one who made reasons not to buy a G1. Everything else was Sprint. My bad. Verizon isn't apart of the Alliance. O_o

[Seika]

NeoCore (http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2008/11/18/neocore-g1-opengl-showcase-posted/)


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Man, that's sweet.

[Xerxes]

I just played with two point touch. You can do it by putting a icon on the screen. Then holding down on it as to trash. Then you can use another finger on the screen to move it. Both fingers will act like a magnet pushing and pulling the icon.

Two way touch shouldn't be held back like this. It's like someone having a patent on the screens themselves.

Then there is this (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/11/22/g1-multi-touch-a-reality-integrated-headphone-jack-still-just-a/).
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I'd also like them to fix the auto flipping of the screen with the accelerometer instead of having to slide it open. The bubble level tool and Pictorial can.

[Banacek]

Typing from the phone now. What are the arrow keys?

[Xerxes]

Typing from the phone now. What are the arrow keys?

I normally use the track ball.

[PathMaster]

Any ever play with the Nokia N95-3? Looks interesting.

[Banacek]

I normally use the track ball.

The trackball works nice. This thing is giving me quite the headache though. Had to put it down for a minute.

[Xerxes]

The trackball works nice. This thing is giving me quite the headache though. Had to put it down for a minute.

It took me a while to get use to no arrow keys. I don't even think my Tmobile Wing had arrows but it just seems right.

[Banacek]

It took me a while to get use to no arrow keys. I don't even think my Tmobile Wing had arrows but it just seems right.

I had to jump off it. I guess I need glasses to use this thing, cause god damn this thing hurts my eyes. Hopefully I will get used to it.

[Seika]

Opera Beta out.

Fast. Zooming needs work. I like it.

Hopefully, Firefox is just around the corner... :)

[rifter]

I picked up Opera mini as well. It is a little on the wonky side. But, hopefully, it will help render things that the built-in browser can not.

[danielOut]

though i do wonder if flash support will be tailored to the stock browser specifically, or will be accessable to 3rd party browsers

[Xerxes]

It'll probably be up to Opera to update the browser when flash comes out.

[danielOut]

8mb microsd for $14 on amazon, and the miniusb to audio jack converter is $12. a pretty solid buy for $26 if you have a g-1

[Gormanimal]

I haven't been paying much attention to how this os/platform has been shaping up since it's release. Any websites to recommend?

[Slack3r78]

I haven't been paying much attention to how this os/platform has been shaping up since it's release. Any websites to recommend?
I generally follow Android Community (http://androidcommunity.com/) off and on.

[Banacek]

This phone needs to be about another half inch wide, at least. That being said, I'm really starting to like this phone.

[Slack3r78]

This phone needs to be about another half inch wide, at least. That being said, I'm really starting to like this phone.
Oh man, please no. I have huge hands and I can't stand wide phones. They get very uncomfortable for me after a short period of time. The G1 is about at the sweet spot for me.

[Banacek]

Oh man, please no. I have huge hands and I can't stand wide phones. They get very uncomfortable for me after a short period of time. The G1 is about at the sweet spot for me.

But I feel like a giant using this keyboard. And the screen could use it. But I'm talking width of the screen, as in if the keyboard is closed and you're looking at the phone with the ball at the bottom.

[danielOut]

I think the phone itself is doing really well; however, I think (in the end) Android will fail. Or, at least, be crippled. The average "Joe User" doesn't get what makes Android special. They don't want an open marketplace. They want a heavily moderated market with hand-picked, high quality apps so they don't have to sort through the trash. Reading app reviews on the android market is like reading the worst internet message boards. Really, really frustrating. The star rating system is completely broken by this.

Also, in the defense of Joe User, there are a lot of devs out there putting loads and loads of shit on the market. A "weekly wallpaper" app that the dev puts out EVERY WEEK and is just a link to his page in the browser is not valid, and there really needs to be a way to shut that kind of crap down. Some real gems out there (picsay, compass, solitare, pictoral, fbook) that I use every day, but a lot of crap. And while I don't mind sifting the gems from the crap, I don't think Joe User wants to or has the time, and in the end it might kill the platform.

However, in defense of Android, this is the first handset. I think it might give devs the push to start developing stuff that might not be ready for the G1, but will be by the time other handsets get out there. I see a lot of potential in a few things (Barcode Beasties and Parallel Kingdom, in particular) that just need a lot more time in development.

All in all, being a tech-savvy person it is the phone to have. But it isn't for Joe User, yet. And Joe User is the guy you need to sell it to if you want to make a profit.

[Xerxes]

I generally follow Android Community (http://androidcommunity.com/) off and on.
I subscribe to that rss.

I think the phone itself is doing really well; however, I think (in the end) Android will fail. Or, at least, be crippled. The average "Joe User" doesn't get what makes Android special. They don't want an open marketplace. They want a heavily moderated market with hand-picked, high quality apps so they don't have to sort through the trash. Reading app reviews on the android market is like reading the worst internet message boards. Really, really frustrating. The star rating system is completely broken by this.

Also, in the defense of Joe User, there are a lot of devs out there putting loads and loads of shit on the market. A "weekly wallpaper" app that the dev puts out EVERY WEEK and is just a link to his page in the browser is not valid, and there really needs to be a way to shut that kind of crap down. Some real gems out there (picsay, compass, solitare, pictoral, fbook) that I use every day, but a lot of crap. And while I don't mind sifting the gems from the crap, I don't think Joe User wants to or has the time, and in the end it might kill the platform.

However, in defense of Android, this is the first handset. I think it might give devs the push to start developing stuff that might not be ready for the G1, but will be by the time other handsets get out there. I see a lot of potential in a few things (Barcode Beasties and Parallel Kingdom, in particular) that just need a lot more time in development.

All in all, being a tech-savvy person it is the phone to have. But it isn't for Joe User, yet. And Joe User is the guy you need to sell it to if you want to make a profit.

I disagree. Tmobile for one is marketing it pretty good. HTC has recently raised their shipped expectations.

[Voodoo]

I think the phone itself is doing really well; however, I think (in the end) Android will fail. Or, at least, be crippled. The average "Joe User" doesn't get what makes Android special. They don't want an open marketplace. They want a heavily moderated market with hand-picked, high quality apps so they don't have to sort through the trash. Reading app reviews on the android market is like reading the worst internet message boards. Really, really frustrating. The star rating system is completely broken by this.

Also, in the defense of Joe User, there are a lot of devs out there putting loads and loads of shit on the market. A "weekly wallpaper" app that the dev puts out EVERY WEEK and is just a link to his page in the browser is not valid, and there really needs to be a way to shut that kind of crap down. Some real gems out there (picsay, compass, solitare, pictoral, fbook) that I use every day, but a lot of crap. And while I don't mind sifting the gems from the crap, I don't think Joe User wants to or has the time, and in the end it might kill the platform.

However, in defense of Android, this is the first handset. I think it might give devs the push to start developing stuff that might not be ready for the G1, but will be by the time other handsets get out there. I see a lot of potential in a few things (Barcode Beasties and Parallel Kingdom, in particular) that just need a lot more time in development.

All in all, being a tech-savvy person it is the phone to have. But it isn't for Joe User, yet. And Joe User is the guy you need to sell it to if you want to make a profit.

I agree with many of your statements but they are all revolving around the app marketplace. People get bored, they like toying with their phone when they have down time (like a boring ass meeting) and the people that I've seen with the G1 and that I've talked to are in absolutely love with the phone.

I'm pretty involved with T-Mobile here in Florida and they are making bank on the G1. Availability of it was even expanded to Wal-Mart, where it continues to sell out. I don't believe there will be a near-end to Android.

This is especially so when the Samsung version comes out, because I know a great # of people that won't get the G1 because of its slide out screen & the keyboard it has.

[danielOut]

After rereading my last post, I was a bit harsh. My frustration with the app store just needed an outlet, I suppose. However, they really need to beef up the store. Continually downrated app makers need some kind of measure to prevent them from flooding the market with useless, buggy apps. A comment rating system needs to go in place to help negate the useless comments. The app market is the reason for this phone; the stock features alone do no warrent the price tag, in my book.

I do love my G1, and am quite happy to be a day-one user. There are just key features (google docs, mymaps) that I think are foolish to have left out, and some design decisions (crappy, non adjustable camera and no audio jack) that are mistakes that will probably be fixed elsewhere. Looking forward to the next version of this phone, will certainly pick it up.

[Xerxes]

Voodoo is about right with the fun of the phone is being able to play with so much. I know people who want android for the sake of it being Google. It's new and fresh. HTC just put it on a shabby hardware. The G1 doesn't seem to fit all the Touch phones they released this gen. Motorola, when ever they get back on there feet, plans to release a full line up of phones. Samsung and LG are also coming out sometime this year.

I understand about the store though. It's a little too lenient. But the more I read about Iphone's app store, theirs seems to rigid. I'm hoping that Google do a little bit more in the way of quality. I know soon the app store will start putting a price on some apps, and I'd like to think that's what some of the real developers are waiting for. Hopefully they do fix the rating system. I saw this somewhere, "Write something smart." Tell them to not be idiots and hope they conform on there own. I'm expecting that exchange support everyone wants to hit soon. Help it be the smart phone is should be.

Google themselves need to put the Google Office on phones already. It seems like a big flaw. I mean they didn't even bother to put Google Notebook on the phone. What is up with that.

[Banacek]

Another note: the call quality on this phone is amazing. Maybe my old phone was shitty or something, but I am really impressed with how nice and clear the calls are.

Google themselves need to put the Google Office on phones already. It seems like a big flaw. I mean they didn't even bother to put Google Notebook on the phone. What is up with that.

Seriously, this is a HUGE flaw. Not having any office apps is just foolish.

[Xerxes]

Another note: the call quality on this phone is amazing. Maybe my old phone was shitty or something, but I am really impressed with how nice and clear the calls are.



Seriously, this is a HUGE flaw. Not having any office apps is just foolish.

You know Google's motto. If we didn't give it to you, you don't need it. :o

[danielOut]

Call quality seems to be about the same as my Motorola RIZR. I do like that (unlike the RIZR) the loud ringer setting is actually loud. I pretty much had to sleep with the RIZR on my ear to be able to have the alarm on it wake me. Speaker phone quality is also pretty good. Needs to output a little louder to the headset, though.

Looking forward to getting my audio adapter. My friend just got her G1 today (white, the bitch) and it came with the audio adapter. She says it works great, so that's a good sign.

[Xerxes]

Call quality seems to be about the same as my Motorola RIZR. I do like that (unlike the RIZR) the loud ringer setting is actually loud. I pretty much had to sleep with the RIZR on my ear to be able to have the alarm on it wake me. Speaker phone quality is also pretty good. Needs to output a little louder to the headset, though.

Looking forward to getting my audio adapter. My friend just got her G1 today (white, the bitch) and it came with the audio adapter. She says it works great, so that's a good sign.

Where did you order it from?

[danielOut]

The preorder site that went live a week or two before launch on tmobile.com

Wasn't that the only place to get it at launch?

[Slack3r78]

Hm... can't decide how I feel about Opera. Navigation is kinda clumsy compared to Google's browser, but god is it FAST.

[danielOut]

Anyone thinking about writing apps for this puppy? I'm not terribly familiar with java, but I just download Eclipse and went through the Hello, World tutorial. Might be alright; not terribly hard. I guess we'll see. Trying to come up with a simple, useful app to try for my first.

[Slack3r78]

Anyone thinking about writing apps for this puppy? I'm not terribly familiar with java, but I just download Eclipse and went through the Hello, World tutorial. Might be alright; not terribly hard. I guess we'll see. Trying to come up with a simple, useful app to try for my first.
The market needs more tip calculators.

[danielOut]

roflcopter.

yeah, clearly.

[Xerxes]

The market needs more tip calculators.

That is funny.

[rifter]

Make an app that lets you see your live gamertag, and info? :-)

[danielOut]

oooh... that'd be neat. i'll see what I can do as far as that goes. think that will be my christmas vacation project!

[Banacek]

Hey, got a question: is there any way to access your saved Google maps from the phone map system?

[Xerxes]

Make an app that lets you see your live gamertag, and info? :-)

It would be nice if it was an app that let you see your friendlist. who's on and what not.

[danielOut]

Hey, got a question: is there any way to access your saved Google maps from the phone map system?

Negative. Unfortunately. This is a big drawbag; would be super helpful when geocaching. Rumor is that this is coming in a future update.

[Banacek]

Anyone use AndNav yet? I tried it out the other day, and when it works, it's nice. I haven't tried the new update yet, but hopefully that fixes the random 'force close' bug. The only thing I didn't like (or couldn't get working correctly) was that the directions didn't auto-refresh. If I selected 'Auto-follow' I can't search for a location. I'm probably doing it wrong. I really like this phone.

EDIT: Or maybe I need AndNav2 :)

[rifter]

I am not familiar with that app.

The only apps on my front page, or aSettings and QSearch. Oh, and Opera Mini, in case it can open something, that browser can not. I also got K-9 email last night. Lots of good reviews, on it.

[danielOut]

Alien Blood Bath is an interesting proof of concept; the controls need to be tightened up, as do graphics. But it showed me that a side-scroller could really steal some time if done right.
Bartender is great when friday night rolls around, and the wife and I are trying to figure out what drinks to make for the weekend. Great app, great interface. Essential.
I think Bender is the best file-management app out there. Simple, useful, and awesome.
Bubble is perfect. Everyone should have Bubble.
Coloroid gets a fair bit of play time for me; the larger sizes boards are pretty interesting.
fBook works well for Facebook users; far better than their normal page.
Gmote I can't stress enough. Simply great.
Picsay and Pictorial are in my most-used apps, period. Great, great programs.
Scrambled Net provided a bit of fun, but it is probably about to vanish to make room for new stuff.
Sky Map is nerd-tastic; sadly it has been pretty cloudy in my area as of late and so I can't put it to enough use.
Slide Puzzle = Win.
Solitaire is very well put together, and often used to kill time at work.
WeatherBug is my weather app of choice; though I find it all boils down to preference on this one, they're all similar.

Yeah, that's my rundown.

[PathMaster]

Second Android (http://apcmag.com/breaking_first_australian_android_phone_revealed.h tm)phone?

[Xerxes]

Yeah I saw that. That looks pretty hot.

[Bone]

Did anyone see this?

Unlocked Android Dev (http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/05/sim-hardware-unlocked-android-dev-phone-1-surfaces-for-399/) phone from Google... $399 + fees (http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html).

[Xerxes]

Yikes. Well, I'm not a developer. I think in January or February, the market will be open to priced items.