Android Phones

[PathMaster]

So the 5gb cap is kind of soft or heavily enforced?

[Slack3r78]

So the 5gb cap is kind of soft or heavily enforced?
I don't know for certain with VZW. I've gotten the impression that it's generally a soft cap with most providers.

[Scull]

So the 5gb cap is kind of soft or heavily enforced?
It is very much enforced. My neighbor is a Verizon store manager and he had one customer tether his phone and hit Bit Torrent like crazy, to the tune of USD $26,000 in data plan overages.

But anything and everything you do from the phone directly is truly unlimited.

[Banacek]

It is very much enforced. My neighbor is a Verizon store manager and he had one customer tether his phone and hit Bit Torrent like crazy, to the tune of USD $26,000 in data plan overages.

But anything and everything you do from the phone directly is truly unlimited.

WTF? I can't believe someone would do that. That makes no sense.

[Zagrash]

Happy Thanksgiving from Google (http://androidandme.com/2009/11/news/google-maps-navigation-now-available-for-android-1-6-devices/), now you can navigate to the in-laws for Thanksgiving using Google Nav - provided you're running Android 1.6...

[Xerxes]

Ugh. I want a phone upgrade but there isn't anything to upgrade to. And Sony-Ericcsson is smoking crack. And after seeing it in motion, isn't really all that. Nice, but not $900 nice. :/

[axion]

It is very much enforced. My neighbor is a Verizon store manager and he had one customer tether his phone and hit Bit Torrent like crazy, to the tune of USD $26,000 in data plan overages.

But anything and everything you do from the phone directly is truly unlimited.

I'll echo this since my GF works for Telus up here. She told me about a guy that racked up thousands of dollars on his bill from tethering his phone.

[Deimos]

It is very much enforced. My neighbor is a Verizon store manager and he had one customer tether his phone and hit Bit Torrent like crazy, to the tune of USD $26,000 in data plan overages.

But anything and everything you do from the phone directly is truly unlimited.

I'll echo this since my GF works for Telus up here. She told me about a guy that racked up thousands of dollars on his bill from tethering his phone.

Why you would ever want to use your tether for bit-torrent is mind boggling to me. I only tether when I can't find wifi for my laptop and I need to browse a site that isn't phone friendly. These occurrences are fewer and farther between every day!

I was very close to taking the dive and hacking google nav onto the ol' G1 today. Had all my files downloaded and directions all compiled in one place. By the time I got home from classes I saw Google stepped up and released it on their own! A very nice surprise actually. Now let's get all of 2.0 ported to G1s!

[Xerxes]

Happy Thanksgiving from Google (http://androidandme.com/2009/11/news/google-maps-navigation-now-available-for-android-1-6-devices/), now you can navigate to the in-laws for Thanksgiving using Google Nav - provided you're running Android 1.6...

I just used it come home. Fucking awesome. Even corrected course in no time after passing up the street.

[Cupelix]

It figures that I finally root my phone and install Cyanogen to get Navigator installed, and 4 days later they release it officially. My timing rocks. I'm going to install the official one and see if it goes crazy because of the unofficial one I have installed.

*edit*
Definitely went crazy. Installation was unsuccessful. So, if you've got the hacked version of Navigator on your phone, you might need to jump through some hoops to get the real one. I'm going to try uninstalling the Maps application completely (not sure if I actually can do that) and try again.

*further edit*
It gives me an error saying the package is not signed properly, and I can't remove the current maps application. The error is confusing, since it makes it sound like a problem with the downloaded app, not the one it is trying to overwrite.

Also, does anyone know how easy it is to go back to the official Android release? I'm not even sure what to google to find a tutorial on that.

[Slack3r78]

*further edit*
It gives me an error saying the package is not signed properly, and I can't remove the current maps application. The error is confusing, since it makes it sound like a problem with the downloaded app, not the one it is trying to overwrite.
I'm fairly sure the problem is with some system files the hack alters. Try reflashing CM as that's going to be the easiest, quickest thing.

[Cupelix]

I'm fairly sure the problem is with some system files the hack alters. Try reflashing CM as that's going to be the easiest, quickest thing.
Unfortunately that didn't fix it. Looks like I'll need to do a larger updated and go back to the 1.6 and reapply CM. Strangely, I'm not really sure at what point my installed Apps get deleted during that process. I wish I understood this better on a technical level.

[Slack3r78]

Unfortunately that didn't fix it. Looks like I'll need to do a larger updated and go back to the 1.6 and reapply CM. Strangely, I'm not really sure at what point my installed Apps get deleted during that process. I wish I understood this better on a technical level.

Your installed apps should be fine. I can't remember the last time I actually had to reinstall apps just moving between versions of CM. It's been months ago at any rate and I flash my phone a lot.

[Cupelix]

Your installed apps should be fine. I can't remember the last time I actually had to reinstall apps just moving between versions of CM. It's been months ago at any rate and I flash my phone a lot.
Well, I was going to go back to "Vanilla" android and then install CM on top of that. When I installed CM the first time, it lost my apps and I had to reinstall them. I'm tempted to do it while I'm at work during down time, but at the same time, I don't want to be totally distracted by that either.

I guess my original point still remains though, if going back to "Vanilla" doesn't erase my apps, then I'm stuck with the unofficial Maps application permanently, which I certainly don't want.

How do you go about doing a "full" erase and start over?

[Slack3r78]

Well, I was going to go back to "Vanilla" android and then install CM on top of that. When I installed CM the first time, it lost my apps and I had to reinstall them. I'm tempted to do it while I'm at work during down time, but at the same time, I don't want to be totally distracted by that either.

I guess my original point still remains though, if going back to "Vanilla" doesn't erase my apps, then I'm stuck with the unofficial Maps application permanently, which I certainly don't want.

How do you go about doing a "full" erase and start over?
Follow the original instructions for flashing CM. Install the HTC ADP1 image, then CM on top of it.

If you're still having flakiness, choose a system wipe in the recovery menu, which will delete all the settings on the phone, but that really shouldn't be necessary. Leave that as a last resort. Flashing the ADP1 and CM images overwrites any actual system files on the phone, wiping only nukes your personal settings which the nav thing shouldn't have messed with.

The images are like your Windows install, the system wipe is like deleting your user directory.

[Zagrash]

This might be a silly question (or I may just be missing something obvious) but is there a setting/menu somewhere, specifically on CyanogenMod, that shows me what is actually sitting in my phone's memory? I've got my apps running from SD, but I've been noticing my available system memory has been steadily decreasing.

[Xerxes]

Seen a lot of other little android phone threads... WTF?

HTC 2010 Roadmap. (http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/06/htcs-2010-roadmap-goes-on-display/)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/12/bravo-1260147592.jpg
Bravo: Now this is what we're talking about -- HTC finally marries Android with Snapdragon to make the device we suspect that many of us are going to be lusting for in 2010. It's got DivX support, 720p video capture through a 5 megapixel AF cam with flash, a mighty 3.7-inch AMOLED display, and that Qualcomm Snapdragon humming along at 1GHz. If all goes well, we should start to see this (hopefully everywhere) in April.

Might be the next phone I get all lusty over. None of the Android phones seem to be a slider. I am getting weak for a new phone. Hell, I wish I could have a Droid... just a little.

[NoName]

Seems the Bravo will have 512 megs RAM and 256 megs internal memory. The slide almost makes it sound like it will come with a 16 gig microSD card too, which would be nice.

Plus is has a headphone jack! The most missed feature on my G1.

Very nice indeed!

[Xerxes]

In January...
http://ai.rs/wp-content/uploads//2009/12/htc_bravo.jpg


Please be T-Mobile. ~_~

[Banacek]

Does that have a keyboard somewhere?

[Xerxes]

Does that have a keyboard somewhere?

On screen. I know I know. It's like they refuse to make what people want. Keep us desirous. Droid is damn close, and out of reach.

[Banacek]

Damnit! Well, they better get their act together in a next few months so I can upgrade :)

[Adam Blue]

T-Mobile just announced their upgraded 7.2 3G network. During tests, they got the N900 to 7mb. I just switched to Sprint for the Hero (and fucking low costs). The speed test I did showed to be over 1mb. Sometimes it can go as high as two.

[Xerxes]

I still didn't get this update. But I don't tether so no big loss.

[Adam Blue]

I still didn't get this update. But I don't tether so no big loss.

Well, it's only being tested in one region right now. Rumor is it will be nationwide on Christmas.

[Xerxes]

Well, it's only being tested in one region right now. Rumor is it will be nationwide on Christmas.

That would be a nice present.

[DylonCorp]

T-Mobile just announced their upgraded 7.2 3G network. During tests, they got the N900 to 7mb. I just switched to Sprint for the Hero (and fucking low costs). The speed test I did showed to be over 1mb. Sometimes it can go as high as two.

Pretty soon AT&T will have nothing to argue except the sheer charisma of Luke Wilson. How low shall you fall, Ma Bell?

[Adam Blue]

So the rumor is (http://androidandme.com/2009/12/carriers/t-mobile-news/google-to-sell-nexus-one-with-t-mobile-contract-january-5th-launch-date/) that the Google Phone will launch on the 5th for $199 subsidized. Apparently you buy it through Google for T-Mobile. This is when their new 7.2 3G network will be available.

I got my Hero because it was $70 on Sprint for a plan cheaper than T-Mobile's. That's the only thing stopping me from going back to T-Mo for the 7.2 Mbs.

I guess if I have the money for the Google Phone, I'll have the money to break contract with Sprint. Let's hope I get a good job soon (I guess you can see where my priorities are...but I'm a cell phone fanatic).

[Xerxes]

That google phone is so hot. I'll have to move to that other tmobile plan and try to save a $10 spot.

[Zagrash]

I follow Android and me, Android Guys, and Phandroid on Twitter, and I'm pretty sure by now if the Nexus One was physically capable of pooping, I'd have 3 tweets within 15 seconds about what it smells like =) it is a pretty damn hot looking phone though!

[Xerxes]

For $200, I would be one of those idiots standing out side the store. ~_~

[Farsight]

T-Mobile just announced their upgraded 7.2 3G network. During tests, they got the N900 to 7mb. I just switched to Sprint for the Hero (and fucking low costs). The speed test I did showed to be over 1mb. Sometimes it can go as high as two.

Will those upgrades make it possible to actually complete a call on T-Mobile? They'd have me as a customer in an instant if not for that pesky desire to hear other people...

[Xerxes]

Will those upgrades make it possible to actually complete a call on T-Mobile? They'd have me as a customer in an instant if not for that pesky desire to hear other people...
Only places I ever had issues with Tmobile was in a few dead zones I know of in Houston. Not to mention their upgrade shenanigans last month. Seems like a few others, including Verizon are having some growing pains.

[Adam Blue]

Will those upgrades make it possible to actually complete a call on T-Mobile? They'd have me as a customer in an instant if not for that pesky desire to hear other people...

Yeah, it depends where you are. Here in the DFW every carrier is perfect. So for me it comes down to price.

[miah]

Only places I ever had issues with Tmobile was in a few dead zones I know of in Houston. Not to mention their upgrade shenanigans last month. Seems like a few others, including Verizon are having some growing pains.

Total deadzone in a few areas of MI. I still love my Google Ion and tmobile 100* more than ATT.

If this Nexus does launch at $200 I'll snag one.

[Xerxes]

Yeah, it depends where you are. Here in the DFW every carrier is perfect. So for me it comes down to price.

Well there is traveling. Could suck balls when you leave town. :D

Luckily I don't take many trips. And where I have gone, it all worked out OK enough. Sacramento, Michigan, Chicago, Dallas, and this boondock town in Arkansas in the past 6 years. Oh and out in the gulf.

[Adam Blue]

Well there is traveling. Could suck balls when you leave town. :D

Luckily I don't take many trips. And where I have gone, it all worked out OK enough. Sacramento, Dallas, and this boondock town in Arkansas in the past 6 years. Oh and out in the gulf.

I tend to travel a bit, and T-Mo was the only one I had problems with so far. So I don't mind the switch to Sprint since that is what was used in those areas.

[civil]

Goodness fuck. I'm hoping to break away from AT&T and here I was all ready to jump ship to Verizon and now this news comes out. Sonofabitch.

Though like Adam, I travel around the country a lot and T-Mobile's lack of proper coverage is pretty much a deal breaker.

[Adam Blue]

Goodness fuck. I'm hoping to break away from AT&T and here I was all ready to jump ship to Verizon and now this news comes out. Sonofabitch.

Though like Adam, I travel around the country a lot and T-Mobile's lack of proper coverage is pretty much a deal breaker.

It's hard to say. To me, Verizon is way over-priced. I think all in all, pick a service that's not a rip-off (AT&T, Verizon) and pick a phone you want. I normally would prefer a GSM network for the times I'm out of the country, but I wanted to give Sprint a try because they are very cheap (free any mobile to any mobile calls) and I wanted a Hero.

[Xerxes]

All this dissing of Tmobile made me go look up the coverage chart (http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx). Not great, but it use to be horrible. :)

[Slack3r78]

All this dissing of Tmobile made me go look up the coverage chart (http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx). Not great, but it use to be horrible. :)

General rule of thumb with T-mo is metro areas and interstates you can usually count on. Anything else is pretty hit or miss.

[Xerxes]

Great. I never hang out in the boonies. ^_^

The anticipation is so high. If this phone is affordable. I'll be to not only snub the X10, I'll be able to give it the finger.

[Dukefrukem]

Does anyone know any good Video Editing software to help sending videos?

[NoName]

T-mobile seems to be actively improving their network coverage, at least where I live. When I first switched to T-mobile I was unhappy how bad the coverage was compared to Verizon. While it's still not as good, I have much better signal strength as well as 3G.

Given that T-mobile is much better priced I think I've given up the idea of switching back to Verzion after my contract is up.

[Voodoo]

I've been getting 3G signal where I had not previously within the past few days.

[Pigeon]

3G just turned on here in Grand Rapids for me yesterday :D

[Adam Blue]

Does anyone know any good Video Editing software to help sending videos?

Qik.

It's good to hear about T-Mo. It should be everywhere by Christmas. Just in time for the Nexus One launch Jan 5th.

[DylonCorp]

Given that T-mobile is much better priced I think I've given up the idea of switching back to Verzion after my contract is up.

Check out Even More Plus, unless you use the phone subsidy a lot.

[Xerxes]

http://phandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/motorola-enzo-3.jpg

Look like AT&T will finally be competing against the droid. (http://phandroid.com/2009/12/16/motorola-backflipenzo-pictures-details/)

:D

[Dukefrukem]

http://phandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/motorola-enzo-3.jpg

Look like AT&T will finally be competing against the droid. (http://phandroid.com/2009/12/16/motorola-backflipenzo-pictures-details/)

:D

If you can even call that competing. Why on earth would they release a Android 1.5 phone?

[civil]

If you can even call that competing. Why on earth would they release a Android 1.5 phone?
http://www.stlouiscnr.com/images/uploads/tin-can-phone.jpg

That's why.

[DylonCorp]

Okay, so it's Luke Wilson and more Motoblur? They're really going to be hurting when the iPhone exclusive runs out.

[Dukefrukem]

http://www.stlouiscnr.com/images/uploads/tin-can-phone.jpg

That's why.

Not following.

[civil]

I was commenting on the shitty nature of AT&Ts network and how ass-backwards it is. Therefore their phones would follow suit.

[Dukefrukem]

I was commenting on the shitty nature of AT&Ts network and how ass-backwards it is. Therefore their phones would follow suit.

gotcha. I'd agree .

[wyeast]

Considering how that's basically a flip-CLIQ, I have to agree, it's not really a DROID killer. It would be closer if they updated BLUR to Android 2.0, but that seems to still be up in the air.

Ok... reading the article I have to ask... Why bother with a touchpad on the back of the phone when you have... uh... touchscreen in the front? :confused:

[Xerxes]

I don't get why they waste time with making so many pointless variants. If the "Droid" is of the best design. Make a version for Tmobile and the AT&T network. Re-brand it, slap motoblur on it and profit. Man hours were wasted with this and cliq.

[Mike Kelehan]

So, I've got a couple friends at Google, and they're back in town for the holidays in a few days. I was about to get a Droid when they told me to hold on a few days and give their new Nexii a whirl. We'll see how she goes.

[Adam Blue]

Well what's going on right now is from 1.5 to 2.0, they vary on the hardware/software. For instance, HTC has built some amazing apps and widgets and a UI, that mimics 2.1 allowing HTC some time to toy with and release their 2.1 version.

Same with Moto. It's their version of the software, they just decided to toy with 2.0. HTC has been with Android for quite some time, so they're just on top of their game with programming. The only downsides are some apps only work with certain versions.

It's the same with Symbian when it was used by both Nokia and Sony Ericsson. The version doesn't really matter a whole lot if it's not a complete system upgrade, like Symbian 6.

So while I'm not a fan of AT&T, getting a phone with Android 1.5 makes it no worse than a phone with 2.1. Moto now probably can efficiently code for versions prior to 2.0. They are not wasting hours, they just have a team that can efficiently develop for different hardware.

[Xerxes]

So, I've got a couple friends at Google, and they're back in town for the holidays in a few days. I was about to get a Droid when they told me to hold on a few days and give their new Nexii a whirl. We'll see how she goes.

I hope this means Jan 5th this is really going down. I'd prefer it in black but that's what rubber gel wraps are for. My fingers are so crossed for it not to turn into a $800 X10.

[Dukefrukem]

My dreams came true with that new Google phone. But no way am I switching to T-mobile. no f'in way.

[opsin]

I don't get why they waste time with making so many pointless variants.

Well... I was about to downgrade to (OK, 3G, but otherwise...) a worse phone than the GPRS only one I had. But then spotted I could get the Cliq for free on a slightly more expensive monthly tariff, did some research then went with it.
I've had those pangs since of 'is it the right choice' but to be honest - yes.
While I'd rather have a Droid, I'd have to wait for the thing to be available again, having sold out in hours, and it'd be £200 morethe first year, and £120 more the second year of the contract. For that price, I could buy another Cliq.

While it's stuck on 1.5 at the moment, that's still way more usability than I had, and I'm more than happy with it. Fingers crossed Moto will stick to their statement and we will at the very least get 1.6 out of them.
But so, there is definitely some use to be gotten out of their alternate versions, although theBackflip does seem entirely pointless, and a really bizarre form to put a phone together in to boot.

Anyway, thanks to those who posted recommendations for apps- was most useful, as it's still going to take me weeks to learn how I use this and set it up perfectly for me. I have to say though, regardless of how much better a Droid may wind up being - this is still the coolest piece of tech I've ever owned, as it does everything all the other candidates did in one.

[Voodoo]

I don't get why they waste time with making so many pointless variants. If the "Droid" is of the best design. Make a version for Tmobile and the AT&T network. Re-brand it, slap motoblur on it and profit. Man hours were wasted with this and cliq.

Best guess is that employee positions would be eliminated if they were to streamline the products.

[johnperkins21]

I don't get why they waste time with making so many pointless variants. If the "Droid" is of the best design. Make a version for Tmobile and the AT&T network. Re-brand it, slap motoblur on it and profit. Man hours were wasted with this and cliq.

Then you couldn't sell exclusivity rights to the cell carrier that they could then, in turn, use in their marketing.

[Adam Blue]

HTC is now putting widgets up on the Market Place (http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-widgets-arrive-android-marketplace). Hopefully this means we'll be seeing more from them. Works only for Hero and Eris.

[Goronmon]

My dreams came true with that new Google phone. But no way am I switching to T-mobile. no f'in way.Are they that bad?

[Adam Blue]

Are they that bad?

I don't think so. They are cheap and their 3G is being upgraded to effing-fast speeds. It really just depends where you are for reception. Duke may just be in a bad location. I liked using them here in DFW because it allowed me to use phones that would normally only work in Europe. They have the same band.

[Slack3r78]

I don't get why they waste time with making so many pointless variants. If the "Droid" is of the best design. Make a version for Tmobile and the AT&T network. Re-brand it, slap motoblur on it and profit. Man hours were wasted with this and cliq.

Price point. CLIQ is based on a much cheaper Qualcomm ARM11 chipset compared to the Cortex A8 based OMAP SoC Droid is built on. The Droid requires a much larger subsidy to get to its respective pricepoint.

[Slack3r78]

I don't think so. They are cheap and their 3G is being upgraded to effing-fast speeds. It really just depends where you are for reception. Duke may just be in a bad location. I liked using them here in DFW because it allowed me to use phones that would normally only work in Europe. They have the same band.

Yeah. Personally, T-mobile's network is far, far better than AT&T's in my area.

But if I'm way out in the boonies it's a different story. A state-owned shooting range I frequent about an hour out of town doesn't have T-Mo reception anywhere within about half an hour of it, for example, so I make sure to go with somebody that has VZW on those occasions. ;) Besides that, I'm perfectly happy with their coverage the other 95% of the time.

[civil]

Argh. It's statements like yours Slack that really make me waffle about who my next carrier will be. That statement isn't a reflection on you, but rather the experience you have that seems to mirror many of the same ones I read about.

Voodoo once gave me great advice about getting a T-Mobile "burner" on one of my jaunts to see how the service fared, and I foolishly didn't follow it.

[Xerxes]

Best guess is that employee positions would be eliminated if they were to streamline the products.
I am not a monster. Those people would be re-purposed. Again you need different variations. I'm trying to save and make money though overall. Car companies have been doing it for ages. You have your low end and your high end design, and the body is shared through the other sister companies.
Then you couldn't sell exclusivity rights to the cell carrier that they could then, in turn, use in their marketing.
They'd be ever so small changes, but everyone would know the phones are about equals. Dress one up with motoblur and other interface changes.
Price point. CLIQ is based on a much cheaper Qualcomm ARM11 chipset compared to the Cortex A8 based OMAP SoC Droid is built on. The Droid requires a much larger subsidy to get to its respective pricepoint.
Now you got me a little. Again that's still only two main phone models. With variants to offer up ot different networks. It's like they offered Verizon the better high end and low end phones, and offered Tmo and ATT odd looking kid phones. Not knocking them just saying they aren't offering any major competition to any of the other phones ATT and Tmo are offering. <shrug>

Argh. It's statements like yours Slack that really make me waffle about who my next carrier will be. That statement isn't a reflection on you, but rather the experience you have that seems to mirror many of the same ones I read about.

Voodoo once gave me great advice about getting a T-Mobile "burner" on one of my jaunts to see how the service fared, and I foolishly didn't follow it.
That is great advice. If I had thought to do that a long time ago when I thought TMO was being to me by not offering me a decent deal, I probably would be on another network. <shrug>

[wyeast]

I don't get why they waste time with making so many pointless variants. If the "Droid" is of the best design. Make a version for Tmobile and the AT&T network. Re-brand it, slap motoblur on it and profit. Man hours were wasted with this and cliq.

My guess is Verizon sucked a lot of dick and probably threw money at Motorola to lock up Droid (and potentially Android 2.0??) exclusively for a little while.


Price point. CLIQ is based on a much cheaper Qualcomm ARM11 chipset compared to the Cortex A8 based OMAP SoC Droid is built on. The Droid requires a much larger subsidy to get to its respective pricepoint.

The lines got fuzzy when Verizon decided to set fire to everything in order to heavily subsidize the DROID, bringing it at the same pricepoint as the "kid phones". Shrewd, but then again you take it in the ass on their contract prices afterwards. :eek: I agree tho'. Under ordinary circumstances, DROID should've been substantially more expensive than something like the CLIQ, so the direct comparisons wouldn't have been quite so blatant.



Now you got me a little. Again that's still only two main phone models. With variants to offer up ot different networks. It's like they offered Verizon the better high end and low end phones, and offered Tmo and ATT odd looking kid phones. Not knocking them just saying they aren't offering any major competition to any of the other phones ATT and Tmo are offering. <shrug>

ATT's got this weird hatred/phobia of Android phones, and Verizon's probably been chomping at the bit since they fucked it up and passed on the iPhone. Hence my above theory that ol' VZ threw an assload of cash to make sure it had exclusivity on the DROID to take aim directly at AT&T.

TMo... well, they've always been a little oddball about their hardware offerings. With the overhaul to offer contract-free, I can see them possibly blanching at the thought of trying to pitch an outrageously expensive phone.

[Xerxes]

If TMO gets this Nexus One at a an affordable deal, all of there past sins will be forgiven.

[Xerxes]

1CJFdG-MARw So smooth!

[Voodoo]

That is an awesome video of the Nexus. BTW, I'm beginning to think that T-Mobile is holding off on the v2.0 or v2.1 update until the 3G upgrade rolls out. Just a guess.

[DylonCorp]

Finally got a G1 to use long term. App Check?!

[Xerxes]

Finally got a G1 to use long term. App Check?!

I must be the most vanilla Android user. I have TaskKiller, Pandora, and Facebook. A few scanner apps; I love ShopSavvy.

[bapenguin]

Why do none of these "smart phones" lately have a home screen that lets you put up things like voicemail, calendar appts, weather, etc right when you turn it on. Why do I need to surf to find that stuff?

[Dukefrukem]

Why do none of these "smart phones" lately have a home screen that lets you put up things like voicemail, calendar appts, weather, etc right when you turn it on. Why do I need to surf to find that stuff?

huh?

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2522/81668495.jpg

that's my old setup

my new one looks like this;

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7493/home1261479615733.png

[Borthcollective]

Anyone know if running Pandora on the Verizon $29.99 Monthly Data plan will go nuts with overage fees?

[Jackel]

Why do none of these "smart phones" lately have a home screen that lets you put up things like voicemail, calendar appts, weather, etc right when you turn it on. Why do I need to surf to find that stuff?

Check out Dukefrukem's screens. I have something similar on my Droid as well.
Everything is right out in the open.

[wyeast]

Why do none of these "smart phones" lately have a home screen that lets you put up things like voicemail, calendar appts, weather, etc right when you turn it on. Why do I need to surf to find that stuff?

:confused:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9045/pc220032.jpg

[Xerxes]

Love those tiny icons. How did you do that?

[bapenguin]

huh?

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2522/81668495.jpg

that's my old setup

my new one looks like this;

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7493/home1261479615733.png

Close but I still don't see text of your calendar appointments and voicemail details. Things like that. Last 2 or 3 email subjects. I want these without digging into my apps.

The weather and clock looks slick is a nice touch.

[wyeast]

Really? Tapping the visual voicemail icon doesn't really feel like "digging" to me. But if it is, I do get a notification (at the upper bar) when I get an incoming text/voicemail, and who's it's from. Also the message widget shows the first line of the last unread message... but that's a motoblur thing *shrugs*

I also appear to have a calendar widget (that I don't use) that seems to work similar to the messaging one - that is when I put it on the home screen it just tells me I don't have any upcoming events.

[bapenguin]

Really? Tapping the visual voicemail icon doesn't really feel like "digging" to me. But if it is, I do get a notification (at the upper bar) when I get an incoming text/voicemail, and who's it's from. Also the message widget shows the first line of the last unread message... but that's a motoblur thing *shrugs*

I also appear to have a calendar widget (that I don't use) that seems to work similar to the messaging one - that is when I put it on the home screen it just tells me I don't have any upcoming events.

I'm not familiar with the Droid, so I don't know. I just remember the days of my Windows CE device that had everything nice on my main screen. :)

Just haven't seen something yet that I'm looking for, but it sounds like there's a lot of customization at least with the Android OS.

[Slack3r78]

I'm not familiar with the Droid, so I don't know. I just remember the days of my Windows CE device that had everything nice on my main screen. :)

Just haven't seen something yet that I'm looking for, but it sounds like there's a lot of customization at least with the Android OS.

These are all things that can be handled by widgets in Android. Things like email can be handled by home screen widgets, and different manufacturers include different widgets out of the box. HTC SenseUI phones and MotoBLUR phones both have email widgets, AFAIK.

At any rate, it's something any developer can make if they want to. The clock/weather app in duke's screenshot is from an app called Beautiful Widgets, for example.

[Jackel]

Here's my homescreen on the droid, similar to Dukes I use Beautiful Widgets and Home++.

Also, Pure Messenger has those features you are looking for (everything but the voicemail anyways). It is the widget on the 3rd screen showing my e-mail currently, but it also does Sms preview, twitter and facebook.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1743/droidn.jpg

[Banacek]

I really need to update my G1. I've just been too busy to do so.

[Zrikz]

I use Home++ and Beautiful Widgets... what are the tiny icons on the first screen there?

[Xerxes]

My mom keeps asking me what I want for Christmas. Tomorrow I will tell here to wait for Jan 5th. ^_^

[Slack3r78]

http://i.imgur.com/tGyGi.png

Since this has turned into "post your home screen." ;)

I'm very minimalist in my taste. I prefer receiving information from and navigating by the notification shade (which I think is Android's single greatest UI innovation, FWIW) as much as possible, so only 2 widgets for me. The icon layouts are all intentionally visually distinct so I can rapidly flip through home screens to find something without having to actively search for the shortcut I want.

Screens 3 (my primary home) and 4 are the ones I use most often, and the apps there reflect that. Screens 1 and 5 are things I use rarely, but often enough I want a shortcut rather than having to dig through the launcher for them. Screen 2 mostly gets used for the power control widget and gallery when I want to see a picture.

[Jackel]

I use Home++ and Beautiful Widgets... what are the tiny icons on the first screen there?

Sorry, It is "More Icons"

I gave the trial a whirl and really liked how it looked, so I paid up for the full thing.

[Xerxes]

I'm looking into the following:

Pure Messenger
Home++
Personal Assistant
More Icons

So far I'm looking what I'm seeing of all these and maybe looking to purchase the ones that cost. Tell me if you buy an app, do they carry over if you get a new phone? Say the Nexus One?

And where can you find Beautiful Widgets at?

Not sure why I'm so gong ho about a new phone cause this G1 just keeps getting legs.

[Jackel]

Beautiful widgets was removed from the app store the day I got it (got lucky) thanks to a cease and desist order from HTC.

[Zagrash]

Beautiful widgets was removed from the app store the day I got it (got lucky) thanks to a cease and desist order from HTC.

It got put back up a few days ago with some new designs that aren't quite so HTC inspired

[Xerxes]

I dont see it.

[Zagrash]

I dont see it.

Phandroid (http://phandroid.com/2009/12/18/beautiful-widgets-are-back/) says they're back on the market, I hadn't actually looked myself.

I tried looking for the developer (LevelUp) and all that comes back is FoxyRing right now, so maybe they're not back yet.

[Adam Blue]

I'm not familiar with the Droid, so I don't know. I just remember the days of my Windows CE device that had everything nice on my main screen. :)

Just haven't seen something yet that I'm looking for, but it sounds like there's a lot of customization at least with the Android OS.

Actually, everything you're looking for is doable. With the Hero, and some other HTC devices, HTC has built amazing widgets. There's an email widget that allows you to thumb through emails right on the home screen, the calender widget shows you what's going on; there's even a twitter widget that allows you to scroll through your whole feed. I even get Twitter 'led scrolling' on the top notification bar.

Android is top-notch and HTC's widgets are some of the best. It has all you're looking for. I only use three of my eight screens and have a whole wealth of info available right there for me.

[Xerxes]

Phandroid (http://phandroid.com/2009/12/18/beautiful-widgets-are-back/) says they're back on the market, I hadn't actually looked myself.

I tried looking for the developer (LevelUp) and all that comes back is FoxyRing right now, so maybe they're not back yet.


Got it. ;)

[OldeWolf]

Just found out from Tmobile that they don't have a data stand alone plan for the Android phones like the sidekick LX does. Meh...They said that they're trying to convince those higher up to start creating stand alone data plans. Hopefully they will get around to it by next year when new Smart phones starts coming out for Tmobile.

[Dukefrukem]

Here's my homescreen on the droid, similar to Dukes I use Beautiful Widgets and Home++.

Also, Pure Messenger has those features you are looking for (everything but the voicemail anyways). It is the widget on the 3rd screen showing my e-mail currently, but it also does Sms preview, twitter and facebook.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1743/droidn.jpg

Not bad. I cut my screen down to three too. I'd recommend getting Astro which will backup all your programs, in case you accidently update Beautiful Widgets, you can revert back to your old program. Extremely useful.

[Xerxes]

From Engadget (http://mobile.engadget.com/):
With the launch of the first Android-powered device just over a year ago, we've seen how a powerful, open platform can spur mobile product innovation. And this is just the beginning of what's possible.

Please join us in Mountain View on January 5, for an Android press gathering.

http://www.tmonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/streamline.bmp

[NoName]

From Engadget (http://mobile.engadget.com/):


Come on January 5th!

[johnperkins21]

Hopefully they announce Exchange support so I can finally get an Android phone.

[Xerxes]

Hopefully they announce Exchange support so I can finally get an Android phone.

I've had exchange for several months. But I know what you mean with this being a Google "experience" phone most likely.

[Voodoo]

From Engadget (http://mobile.engadget.com/):


http://www.tmonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/streamline.bmp

That is fuckin' awesome news! I've got a MyTouch 3G and through some strange fluke in billing I was given it completely free... Wee! So, yes, Nexus will be mine when released.

[Voodoo]

Hopefully they announce Exchange support so I can finally get an Android phone.

If you are talking about full support ala forced encryption and password via policy, only WM 6.0 and Blackberries can do that currently. The iPhone fakes its ActiveSync and the policy can not force either to it. Not sure to what extent Android will support this policy pushing. Currently, it does not.

[OldeWolf]

From Engadget (http://mobile.engadget.com/):


http://www.tmonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/streamline.bmp

Hope this makes me happy I didn't get the Cliq yet. :p

[Voodoo]

Hope this makes me happy I didn't get the Cliq yet. :p

Well it doesn't have a physical keyboard so there's that...

[Xerxes]

If you are talking about full support ala forced encryption and password via policy, only WM 6.0 and Blackberries can do that currently. The iPhone fakes its ActiveSync and the policy can not force either to it. Not sure to what extent Android will support this policy pushing. Currently, it does not.
Yeah I think work email does the same with ActiveSync.

Well it doesn't have a physical keyboard so there's that...

The hope the rest of the hardware awesomeness can overcome that one handy cap.

[Xerxes]

Price! (http://gizmodo.com/5436673/leaked-nexus-one-documents-530-unlocked-180-with-t+mobile?skyline=true&s=x)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/12/nexus_purchase_eng.jpg

I guess you could screw them up front and go with tmo 500 Talk + Text + Web Even More Plus plan for 59.99. Save you 20 bucks a month, and cross the payoff line in 20 months? O_o

Not to mention the phone would be good to sell since its already to unlocked when the time comes.

[Bingley Joe]

Price! (http://gizmodo.com/5436673/leaked-nexus-one-documents-530-unlocked-180-with-t+mobile?skyline=true&s=x)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/12/nexus_purchase_eng.jpg

I guess you could screw them up front and go with tmo 500 Talk + Text + Web Even More Plus plan for 59.99. Save you 20 bucks a month, and cross the payoff line in 20 months? O_o

Not to mention the phone would be good to sell since its already to unlocked when the time comes.


Having just pulled the trigger on an unlocked N900, that $530 seems like a very reasonable price to me if the phone is what all reports have been making it out to be.. I am definitely envious of the thinness and lightness already, lol.

Frankly, I thought all the speculation about Google selling it at cost was a bit ridiculous (although I desperately wanted them to do it just because they could).

At those prices, I could definitely see myself jumping on the Nexus 2, or Siamese Connection or whatever they decide to call it.


EDIT: that said, I have and will never sign up for a cellphone contract. Some of this stuff just strikes me as pure grift:

• If you want it subsidized, you'll have to sign up for a 2 year mandatory contract and pay $180 for the phone
• There's only one rate plan: $39.99 Even More + Text + Web for $79.99 total
• Existing customers cannot keep their plan if they want a subsidized phone; they have to change to the one plan, and this only applies to accounts with one single line
• Family plans, Flexpay, SmartAccess and KidConnect subscribers must buy the phone unlocked and unsubsidized for $530
• You can only buy five Nexus One phones per Google account

And here is a big one:
• If you cancel your plan before 120 days, you have to pay the subsidy difference between what you paid and the unsubsidized price, so $350 in this case. Or you can return the phone to Google. You also authorize them to charge this directly to your credit card.

IOW: one rate only for subsidized phones: $79.99/month for 24 months = $1919.76 plus whatever other overages and hidden fees apply

IOW: if you're on a retention plan, a grandfathered plan, or family plan, screw you, you must drop it and pay the above

IOW: a family is five people max

IOW: change your mind and either give the phone back (which is actually not a terrible thing), or buy the thing outright

Moral: just own your phone to begin with.

[Xerxes]

Part of me desperately wants to say fuck a review and be a early adopter. Giving up Cynongen and the rooted life. I don't know how I'll live. Another thing that has my eyebrow raised is if there will indeed be a work email app. I mean checking my exchange account through the web access isn't all that bad. Shit, unlike most, I don't even need messages daily. Also it maybe by HTC but fuck HTC Sense I think.

[Slack3r78]

Part of me desperately wants to say fuck a review and be a early adopter. Giving up Cynongen and the rooted life. I don't know how I'll live. Another thing that has my eyebrow raised is if there will indeed be a work email app. I mean checking my exchange account through the web access isn't all that bad. Shit, unlike most, I don't even need messages daily. Also it maybe by HTC but fuck HTC Sense I think.

If I followed the noise on Twitter last night and this morning correctly, it sounds like Cyanogen's gotten enough in donations to buy a Nexus One when they release.

[Zagrash]

If I followed the noise on Twitter last night and this morning correctly, it sounds like Cyanogen's gotten enough in donations to buy a Nexus One when they release.

I definitely got that impression as well...

Also, I don't think it was mentioned yet, but I'm pretty sure that CalWidget is EXACTLY what bapenguin is looking for in terms of an Android desktop calendar. It's free, has multiple size widgets, and displays text of the appointments. I don't have the screenshot app so I can't show it off, but since CalWidget is a free app, maybe someone that can take screenshots would be so kind as to snap a few

[Banacek]

Anyone have a good walkthrough for upgrading the G1 to Android 2.0? I have an older version of Cyanogen installed already.

[Scull]

CalWidget: http://www.androlib.com/android.application.net-eggenstein-android-calwidget-qxjt.aspx

[Xerxes]

If I followed the noise on Twitter last night and this morning correctly, it sounds like Cyanogen's gotten enough in donations to buy a Nexus One when they release.

Woot thanks everyone! I am definitely going to be all over the Nexus! (http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/7187344919)

These are indeed tears.

[Zagrash]

CalWidget: http://www.androlib.com/android.application.net-eggenstein-android-calwidget-qxjt.aspx

That works too! Thanks!

Woot thanks everyone! I am definitely going to be all over the Nexus! (http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/7187344919)

These are indeed tears.

Yeah? Well follow that up today with not only ROOT, but a signed ROM image for the Nexus One (http://android.modaco.com/content/google-nexus-one-nexusone-modaco-com/298820/nexus-one-htc-passion-images-in-signed-zip-build-22607/). It's not even available commercially yet, and it's already rooted and whatnot...Cyanogen is going to have a field day I'm sure

[Xerxes]

Geez. Probably have to root it the hard way. Which I avoided last time. O_o

[Zagrash]

Geez. Probably have to root it the hard way. Which I avoided last time. O_o

If you read the root instructions, they seem fairly simple, basically plugging your phone into your PC, getting into bootloader mode, and running an install program on your PC, doesn't seem too difficult.

[Voodoo]

The hope the rest of the hardware awesomeness can overcome that one handy cap.

I only mentioned it because he had listed that as nearly a requirement for a phone for himself.

[Chaos Machine]

ill prolly end up getting a nexus one to replace my g1, i like my $59 a month i currently pay for 300 talk/text and unlimited web so ill end up buying it outright. lets see $20x24 +$180 = $660

so if i want to pay less up front, i have to pay $660 over two years in useless minutes/texts(text is free and unlimited anyway cause i use google voice) plus i have the privilege of being locked into my contract for 2 years....FUCK THAT. I don't normally criticize tmo because i have been really happy with their service(i pull 7mbps downstream in my area where i work and at home.) so far but seriously thats a big dick in the ass.

[PathMaster]

Any noise about possible CES announcements about Andorid or from VZ?

Otherwise I may just grab a Droid at the end of next month.

[Dukefrukem]

Any noise about possible CES announcements about Andorid or from VZ?

Otherwise I may just grab a Droid at the end of next month.

Verizon is surely not supporting any new Droid phones within the next 6 months. The big Android news at CES will be with the nexus one.

[Dukefrukem]

ummm holy shit? (http://gizmodo.com/5437874/motorolas-rumored-superthin-android-phone-sounds-spectacular?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)&utm_content=Google+Reader)

All we've got for now is a crude rendering and a dubiously sourced Chinese leak, but given the recent spate of Snapdragon-powered Android phones, the specs are within the realm of plausibility: crammed into the slim body, there's a processor capable of decoding 1080p video, an 8-megapixel camera, and an HDMI port, masked by a 4.3-inch, 800 x 464 screen, as compared to the Droid's 3.7-inch display of the same resolution.

[Gormanimal]

1080p video == ~10 minutes battery?

[PathMaster]

ummm holy shit? (http://gizmodo.com/5437874/motorolas-rumored-superthin-android-phone-sounds-spectacular?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)&utm_content=Google+Reader)

I saw that. Interesting. Just need a time frame.

[Xerxes]

1080p video == ~10 minutes battery?

That's one thing I'm worried about for the Nexus One. I mean when I got the G1, battery life was a huge downer day one.

[Slack3r78]

Anyone have a good walkthrough for upgrading the G1 to Android 2.0? I have an older version of Cyanogen installed already.

There aren't any fully functional 2.0 ports yet. Still waiting on HTC to get out a camera driver and a couple of other proprietary code bits before the G1 will be Eclair ready.

Your best option right now is going to be to just update to the latest build of CM. He's backported a fair amount of 2.0 goodness to Donut already.

[Banacek]

There aren't any fully functional 2.0 ports yet. Still waiting on HTC to get out a camera driver and a couple of other proprietary code bits before the G1 will be Eclair ready.

Your best option right now is going to be to just update to the latest build of CM. He's backported a fair amount of 2.0 goodness to Donut already.

Cool, I'll do that then. Thanks!

[Xerxes]

Question. Is it me or do Iphone people get stuck on needing some sort of validation? Every forum I've been to or article with comments always has some "This has nothing on the iphone" or "How is this even an improvement of my iphone" or "Tmobile plans suck so this phone is useless" comments. I was just noticing I never see stuff like, "fuck the iphone this my new phone" or anything to the nature of suck it Iphone.

Basically it's like a trend, one group commenting on phones they don't care about, and the people that do care, don't even care to comment about the other phones. Am I wrong?

[Banacek]

Question. Is it me or do Iphone people get stuck on needing some sort of validation? Every forum I've been to or article with comments always has some "This has nothing on the iphone" or "How is this even an improvement of my iphone" or "Tmobile plans suck so this phone is useless" comments. I was just noticing I never see stuff like, "fuck the iphone this my new phone" or anything to the nature of suck it Iphone.

Basically it's like a trend, one group commenting on phones they don't care about, and the people that do care, don't even care to comment about the other phones. Am I wrong?

Dude, it's Apple fanboys. You would do best to ignore them. People see me with a Macbook Pro and a G1 and it's like their minds explode. The iPhone people are the worst. Just ignore them, they have nothing real to add to the conversation.

[Siraris]

Price! (http://gizmodo.com/5436673/leaked-nexus-one-documents-530-unlocked-180-with-t+mobile?skyline=true&s=x)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/12/nexus_purchase_eng.jpg

I guess you could screw them up front and go with tmo 500 Talk + Text + Web Even More Plus plan for 59.99. Save you 20 bucks a month, and cross the payoff line in 20 months? O_o

Not to mention the phone would be good to sell since its already to unlocked when the time comes.

The pricing information leak is bogus. Wait until Tuesday.

[Xerxes]

The pricing information leak is bogus. Wait until Tuesday.

You have "real" information? :confused:

[civil]

I was just noticing I never see stuff like, "fuck the iphone this my new phone" or anything to the nature of suck it Iphone.
Do you never read my posts? Though to be honest my rants are usually against AT&T. So...

Fuck AT&T.

[Siraris]

You have "real" information? :confused:

Do I have actual information? No, but I have logic, and I know people at T-Mobile.

You saw the internal memo, they are not subsidizing or supporting the phone, so why would Google force you into a plan?

T-Mobile and Google both follow a model of openess, and letting the customer make the choice, and openness. That's the entire thrust behind T-Mobiles contractless plans, and most of what Google does. Why would they force you into a little box like this?

Why would Google eliminate people from multiple types of plans? Is there some sort of business model in excluding large swaths of customers?

On top of that, why would they force you into a relatively shitty plan from T-Mobile, and on top of that, not even let you get a MORE expensive plan from T-Mobile? I want to give T-Mobile MORE money per month, "NO, YOU AREN'T ALLOWED!!!".

Why would they sell the phone online only, eliminating a large percentage of potential customers from selling in store, only to give the customers they do reach 2 options; one of which eliminates 99.9% of the market from purchasing the device?

None of it makes sense. As the FIRST "Google" phone, most realize it's out there for direct competition with the iPhone. This model would set it up at a huge disadvantage to the iPhone, which may force you to pay a lot for internet, but lets you pick ANY plan you want otherwise.

[Xerxes]

You know if you jinx this and it's a $900 like the xperia x10. I'll hate you forever. Although if it is available first day in stores or cheaper, I won't care either way. Stop being nitpicky. :p

And didn't that memo say they won't support it maintenance wise but will have plans and services for it?

[Siraris]

You know if you jinx this and it's a $900 like the xperia x10. I'll hate you forever. Although if it is available first day in stores or cheaper, I won't care either way. Stop being nitpicky. :p

And didn't that memo say they won't support it maintenance wise but will have plans and services for it?

It will not be $900.

I spoke to a marketing exec at T-Mobile, and he said that they have no hand in the Nexus One whatsoever. It's entirely a Google project.

[Xerxes]

It will not be $900.

I spoke to a marketing exec at T-Mobile, and he said that they have no hand in the Nexus One whatsoever. It's entirely a Google project.

Wait what?

Why would they sell the phone online only, eliminating a large percentage of potential customers from selling in store, only to give the customers they do reach 2 options; one of which eliminates 99.9% of the market from purchasing the device?

They are a internet company who thinks and actually does have the juice to do exactly this and now Tmobile has no hand in it apparently. Besides most people who want this aren't the people who go to the store diddling themselves with which phone to get.

[Slack3r78]

As the FIRST "Google" phone, most realize it's out there for direct competition with the iPhone.

Except it's not the first phone Google has sold directly. The ADP1 is due for replacement and the Nexus One is it.

[Crittias]

My Blackberry Curve is getting a bit long in the tooth, so I think (depending on how the announcement goes) that I'll be jumping to the Nexus as soon as it's widely available. I realized, looking at my Blackberry, that almost every app I use is Google-based, with the exception of my official university email (Outlook-based), so an Android phone seems like a no-brainer.

[Siraris]

Except it's not the first phone Google has sold directly. The ADP1 is due for replacement and the Nexus One is it.

The G1 was sold in T-Mobile stores. The Nexus One will only be sold through www.google.com/phone.

[Slack3r78]

The G1 was sold in T-Mobile stores. The Nexus One will only be sold through www.google.com/phone.
The ADP1 is only sold direct by Google. You cannot buy an ADP1 from T-Mobile.

The Nexus One is an HTC Passion just like the G1 and ADP1 were the HTC Dream.

[Bingley Joe]

I spoke to a marketing exec at T-Mobile, and he said that they have no hand in the Nexus One whatsoever. It's entirely a Google project.

Really?

That seems odd given that T-Mobile is the only North American provider other than the tiny upstart WIND we have here that will be able to deliver 3G data to it.. seems an odd choice for Google to have made entirely on their own..

I suppose Europe might have more choice of AWS networks though, I'm not sure.

[Siraris]

The ADP1 is only sold direct by Google. You cannot buy an ADP1 from T-Mobile.

The Nexus One is an HTC Passion just like the G1 and ADP1 were the HTC Dream.

The ADP1 is the developer version of the G1. It is catered solely towards developers, and is not sold as a consumer device, just like the ADP2. The Nexus One is not a developer phone, it is a phone catered towards consumers, so you cannot compare the Nexus One to the ADP1 or ADP2. That's like comparing the model setup for acquiring a PS3 dev kit to that of acquiring a PS3 Slim.

[Slack3r78]

The ADP1 is the developer version of the G1. It is catered solely towards developers, and is not sold as a consumer device, just like the ADP2. The Nexus One is not a developer phone, it is a phone catered towards consumers, so you cannot compare the Nexus One to the ADP1 or ADP2. That's like comparing the model setup for acquiring a PS3 dev kit to that of acquiring a PS3 Slim.

The ADP1 is simply an HTC Dream with an engineering SPL installed at the factory; the hardware is 100% identical to the G1 branded HTC Dream sold by T-Mobile. Additionally, it's open to purchase by anyone, and it's $399 price is, again, identical to the cost of an unsubsidized G1.

The only 'new' thing with the Nexus One is that you can choose to purchase the phone subsidized by a rate plan from Google and marketing. The whole "this is totally game changing" hype is just that.

[Siraris]

The ADP1 is simply an HTC Dream with an engineering SPL installed at the factory; the hardware is 100% identical to the G1 branded HTC Dream sold by T-Mobile. Additionally, it's open to purchase by anyone, and it's $399 price is, again, identical to the cost of an unsubsidized G1.

The only 'new' thing with the Nexus One is that you can choose to purchase the phone subsidized by a rate plan from Google and marketing. The whole "this is totally game changing" hype is just that.

Your continual explanation of something that I already know about is starting to come across as a way for you to show off. I understand what the ADP1 is, let's move past it, it's irrelevant for the discussion.

It is game changing, because Google is going to sell the Nexus One, and force operators to pay them a commission in order to have their service with the phone. Just like the iPhone changed the game by causing operators to agree to profit sharing, the Nexus One will change the game as well.

[Slack3r78]

Your continual explanation of something that I already know about is starting to come across as a way for you to show off. I understand what the ADP1 is, let's move past it, it's irrelevant for the discussion.
It's relevant because it's Google already selling direct to the public. If I'm telling you things you supposedly already know, you should know better than to make absurd comparisons to PS3 development kits when the hardware available from Google is identical to the hardware being sold by carriers.

force operators to pay them a commission in order to have their service with the phone.

[citation needed]

You're browbeating people here for not really buying into your personal, unsubstantiated speculation.

Given the pricing rumors that are out there now, I don't see anything that strikes me as particularly convincing that Google has set up any sort of model to 'force' carriers into anything. Instead, it looks like Google getting a reference platform out onto the market.

[Xerxes]

Do you never read my posts? Though to be honest my rants are usually against AT&T. So...

Fuck AT&T.

I read your posts. I didn't think your dislike for ATT is totally different than the iphone zealots. I mean it's like Fanboy 2.0 with them.

You aren't in that group.

[Siraris]

It's relevant because it's Google already selling direct to the public. If I'm telling you things you supposedly already know, you should know better than to make absurd comparisons to PS3 development kits when the hardware available from Google is identical to the hardware being sold by carriers.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. The ADP1 and ADP2 are developer phones targeted to the developer. You need to register as an Android developer and pay a small fee to even be able to purchase them, and even then, they are only offered at an unsubsidized price. This is not the model that is being applied to the Nexus One, as the Nexus One is being targeted as a CONSUMER device.

Last time I checked, as a video game developer, you register with Sony, pay a fee, and then buy a more expensive version of a PlayStation 3 that is slightly altered in order to develop your game. Where the disconnect there is, I don't know.

[Crittias]

Exclusive: Google Nexus One hands-on, video, and first impressions (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/02/exclusive-google-nexus-one-hands-on-video-and-first-impressio/) over at Engadget.

[Xerxes]

I'm so excited.

[Goronmon]

As awesome as the Nexus One looks, I just don't think I can switch to a provider with such terrible 3G coverage.

[Jackel]

After hearing about the rumour regarding the Google phone being available unlocked on AT&T, I'm tempted to see if I can't get out of my Droid contract on Verizon. They don't have data up here in Alaska, contrary to what the sales lady said. I'll see. I love my Droid but Verizon plans are quite a bit more pricey than our old AT&T plan.

[Voodoo]

After hearing about the rumour regarding the Google phone being available unlocked on AT&T, I'm tempted to see if I can't get out of my Droid contract on Verizon. They don't have data up here in Alaska, contrary to what the sales lady said. I'll see. I love my Droid but Verizon plans are quite a bit more pricey than our old AT&T plan.

Just don't forget that the Nexus won't work with AT&T's 3G service. It will be Edge only...

[Jackel]

Just don't forget that the Nexus won't work with AT&T's 3G service. It will be Edge only...

The rumour was that Google will be selling a second unlocked that will work on AT&T 3G.

Regardless, Edge is better than the current "no data" Verizon has up here.

[Voodoo]

The rumour was that Google will be selling a second unlocked that will work on AT&T 3G.

Oh nice! Now that would be cool. I certainly hope they do, gotta give those poor iPhone users an alternative. :D

[Xerxes]

Yeah, 2 versions went throught the FCC already. Just seems the TMO version is the only one being talked about and ready to sale. Let 1/5 rumors tell it.

[NoName]

One more day... plus 3 hours since Google is all the way over on the west coast. :)

[OldeWolf]

I LOVE the live wallpaper. I've always wanted an interactive wallpaper that doesn't bog down the computer. Can't wait for them to create some sort of Harry Potter style live wallpaper.

[Siraris]

Yeah, 2 versions went throught the FCC already. Just seems the TMO version is the only one being talked about and ready to sale. Let 1/5 rumors tell it.

I'm curious where you saw that two versions went through the FCC already? I've only seen one registration?

Just did some research, this was debunked back in December:

Update: We're going to pull this back a bit. So far the FCC has posted a trio of reports this morning for the Nexus One but the outcome is inconclusive based on our own continued research and from the discussion in our comments. According to the bands listed (I, IV, and VIII) we're definitely looking at a T-Mobile USA device as well as applicability on European networks (among others). The whole AT&T range is in doubt as the test lab incorrectly lists 815-880MHz frequencies as part of band VIII. Hold tight as we dig deeper.

Update 2: Only WCDMA Band IV was tested in the Part 22H / 24E / 27 Report, leading us to believe that the Nexus One is going to be HSPA 900 / 1700 / 2100 (a pretty common tri-band 3G setup) plus quadband EDGE. Sorry, AT&T, but that's how the cookie crumbles.

[Xerxes]

I'm curious where you saw that two versions went through the FCC already? I've only seen one registration?

Just did some research, this was debunked back in December:

Gah... The way they correct old stories without making new update stories is annoying. :o

[Zagrash]

I do, however, like the rumor - tweeted by Androidguys - saying that G1 users can upgrade to the Nexus One tomorrow without waiting for their contract to expire...

strictly a rumor, but if it's true, I'll take a few minutes out of my honeymoon (starts tomorrow...heh) to pick one up!

Tweeeeeet (https://twitter.com/AndroidGuys/status/7381102892)

[Xerxes]

O_o Holy moly. I forgot about that contract. I was thinking about just changing my plan. Get the Even More Plus Talk + Text + Web plan. Maybe the 500 minute $59.99 version. I should of called to see if they'd even let me with out being dicks about the G1 plan.

[Zagrash]

O_o Holy moly. I forgot about that contract. I was thinking about just changing my plan. Get the Even More Plus Talk + Text + Web plan. Maybe the 500 minute $59.99 version. I should of called to see if they'd even let me with out being dicks about the G1 plan.

I'm already on the even more plus plan, I was more just excited about the idea of them having them in stores...I'd happily go pick one up

[Crittias]

Android Phone Demand Up 250%, iPhone Down (http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/01/04/224259/Android-Phone-Demand-Up-250-iPhone-Down)

[Xerxes]

Demand maybe up but aren't they still in last place?

[Siraris]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/eng_nexus_60076.jpg

Just read the Engadget review (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/nexus-one-review/), and it's super disappointing (the review, not the phone). Biased, unfair to the Nexus (claims it has no multi-touch, which it does since SDK 2.0). Based on the review I'm 99% sold on the device.

95% of the complaints are software related, and will be fixed in time. The lack of keyboard is fine by me; my Pre has a keyboard, and it sucks. It sounds like the battery life is better than my Pre, with a processor that's twice as fast, and a screen that's about 50% bigger.

Honestly, as long as they continue to improve the UI, and add multi-touch to the browser/GMaps, I'm in love. The media player definitely needs work, but it will come I'm sure (and I'm guessing there's apps in the store). I can't wait for tomorrow.

I recommend checking the review just to look at more pics, and sample pics from the camera (which is STUNNING by the way for a camera phone).

[Adam Blue]

Biased, unfair to the Nexus (claims it has no multi-touch, which it does since SDK 2.0).

It's there but not usable. This just hasn't been opened up yet. I'm not even sure if any modders got it up and running either.

EDIT: I just found out the milestone has it and some hacker figured it out on the Droid.

[Xerxes]

My G1 has multi-touch. Muhahaha! Going to sleep now to see what tomorrow bring.

[Slack3r78]

This is not the model that is being applied to the Nexus One, as the Nexus One is being targeted as a CONSUMER device.
So it's a change in marketing, just like I said.

Last time I checked, as a video game developer, you register with Sony, pay a fee, and then buy a more expensive version of a PlayStation 3 that is slightly altered in order to develop your game. Where the disconnect there is, I don't know.

A PS3 dev kit is not literally the exact same hardware as the consumer hardware. You don't even actually need an ADP1 to develop Android applications; all the functionality you need as an application developer is completely available to you with the "consumer" G1. Again, the *only* difference between these two phones is whether the bootloader allows the loading of unsigned system images.

I'll give you the fact that I forgot the $25 developer fee, making the ADP1 6% more expensive rather than the exact same price, though.

[Slack3r78]

It's there but not usable. This just hasn't been opened up yet. I'm not even sure if any modders got it up and running either.

EDIT: I just found out the milestone has it and some hacker figured it out on the Droid.
Dolphin Browser provides multitouch on stock Droids, AFAIK, meaning the kernel hooks are enabled. Google probably just didn't build in multitouch support for Google apps.

Multitouch has actually been in the kernel, just disabled since at least 1.5/1.6. My understanding is that the hooks should be enabled in official 2.0+ builds though. Dolphin working on unrooted Droids would support that.

[Slack3r78]

As awesome as the Nexus One looks, I just don't think I can switch to a provider with such terrible 3G coverage.

Yeah, but for those of use that are in areas that have coverage, it's going to be tough to argue with when they finish lighting up 7.2Mbs in the near future here. :D

[civil]

Siraris, what do you know about T-Mobile coverage here in Chicago? I personally only know one person on it, and he says he can't get 3G in the Loop, which is worrisome. Other than that, he's satisfied (G1 owner). I thought Sprint in Chicago was awesome, as was Verizon. But AT&T has been lacking in the coverage department, to say the least.

[NoName]

O_o Holy moly. I forgot about that contract. I was thinking about just changing my plan. Get the Even More Plus Talk + Text + Web plan. Maybe the 500 minute $59.99 version. I should of called to see if they'd even let me with out being dicks about the G1 plan.

You can. You can even do it online. I just switch plans a few days ago to that exact plan and it worked fine. There's a one time activation fee again of around 30 dollars to switch. Since this plan costs 15 less a month than my old one, I'll make it back fairly quick. Plus I'm no longer on a contract ^__^.

[Goronmon]

Yeah, but for those of use that are in areas that have coverage, it's going to be tough to argue with when they finish lighting up 7.2Mbs in the near future here. :DWell, I actually have coverage where I live in Portland, ME as well as in MA where I am if I'm not here. However, the coverage is pretty poor if I go outside either area very far.

[Dukefrukem]

Dolphin Browser provides multitouch on stock Droids, AFAIK, meaning the kernel hooks are enabled. Google probably just didn't build in multitouch support for Google apps.

Multitouch has actually been in the kernel, just disabled since at least 1.5/1.6. My understanding is that the hooks should be enabled in official 2.0+ builds though. Dolphin working on unrooted Droids would support that.

Yup. When Dolphin was first released, the multitouched sucked, but it's got better over time and updates.

[Siraris]

Siraris, what do you know about T-Mobile coverage here in Chicago? I personally only know one person on it, and he says he can't get 3G in the Loop, which is worrisome. Other than that, he's satisfied (G1 owner). I thought Sprint in Chicago was awesome, as was Verizon. But AT&T has been lacking in the coverage department, to say the least.

I had T-Mobile for 7 years, and switched to Sprint for the Pre. So far, my experience with Sprint service sucks. I know multiple people with T-Mobile (I was actually with 6 people on Saturday who had T-Mobile) and they all have Android phones as well, and they love it.

2 and a half hours!

[civil]

I had T-Mobile for 7 years, and switched to Sprint for the Pre. So far, my experience with Sprint service sucks. I know multiple people with T-Mobile (I was actually with 6 people on Saturday who had T-Mobile) and they all have Android phones as well, and they love it.

2 and a half hours!
That's odd. I had excellent service with Sprint.

I'm hoping half the predictions in this thread are true.

[rein]

[CENTER]Just read the Engadget review (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/nexus-one-review/), and it's super disappointing (the review, not the phone). Biased, unfair to the Nexus (claims it has no multi-touch, which it does since SDK 2.0). Based on the review I'm 99% sold on the device.

From the review:
One other note: multitouch has not been included here, so while the functionality is supported in Android 2.0 and up, we're still dealing with a one-finger-at-a-time experience... which leaves something to be desired when you've got a beautiful touchscreen like this to play around on.

I think they were pretty clear and would hope any reviewer would include that kind of information when a new device is released.

I had T-Mobile for 7 years, and switched to Sprint for the Pre. So far, my experience with Sprint service sucks. I know multiple people with T-Mobile (I was actually with 6 people on Saturday who had T-Mobile) and they all have Android phones as well, and they love it.

2 and a half hours!

I was a long time T-Mo user that recently switched to another provider (AT&T). My experience hasn't been too bad, especially since I had no 3g coverage with T-Mo and I have yet to use over 60 minutes of non-mobile-to-mobile minutes in a billing cycle. That being said, I would like to move to an Android phone at some point. The thing I keep in mind is that this is the first phone release 2010. I expect a lot of new phones and features coming in the next few months. I'm going to remain patient and let everyone else beta test the new phones while I am in my current contract. :)

[Siraris]

From the review:
One other note: multitouch has not been included here, so while the functionality is supported in Android 2.0 and up, we're still dealing with a one-finger-at-a-time experience... which leaves something to be desired when you've got a beautiful touchscreen like this to play around on.

I think they were pretty clear and would hope any reviewer would include that kind of information when a new device is released.

That was added after the fact, then, because it wasn't in the original review.

[NoName]

An hour left! Hopefully the live blog (http://live.gizmodo.com/) starts soon.

[bapenguin]

Briefly considered switching to T-Mobile...but the coverage in my area sucks for 3G. As in, pretty much non existent.

[NoName]

Lets see if hotlinking Gizmodo works...

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/googlejan2010/IMG_0010wtmk.JPG

Google, the evil overlord!

[Siraris]

Man, I went with Ars since Hannibal is liveblogging. He isn't posting pics! LAME!

[NoName]

Man, I went with Ars since Hannibal is liveblogging. He isn't posting pics! LAME!

There ya go, he started posting pics, just smaller, and of heads. (I went and found the Ars feed, doesn't hurt to have two. ;))

[NoName]

"if you get a new email or SMS the trackball will pulse white. for an incoming call it flashes blue "

I hadn't heard that before, that's pretty cool.

[Xerxes]

Phone Scoop (http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=5310)
Today T-Mobile announced that it has upgraded its entire 3G network to HSPA 7.2Mbps (peak speeds). That's an improvement from 3.6Mbps, and should allow for faster wireless downloads. T-Mobile also pointed out that its 3G footprint now covers some 200 million Americans. T-Mobile also said that it plans to be the first U.S. carrier to deploy HSPA+ across its network by mid 2010. T-Mobile currently has an HSPA+ trial under way in Philadelphia. Once fully enabled, HSPA+ will offer up to 21Mbps downloads..

[Adam Blue]

I have until the 6th in case I decide I don't want my Sprint plan/Hero. If I do that it would be for the Nexus One.

[Siraris]

"if you get a new email or SMS the trackball will pulse white. for an incoming call it flashes blue "

I hadn't heard that before, that's pretty cool.

This is something I've been asking for on the Pre since LAUNCH. Nexus One just blew the Pre out of the water. SOLD!

[Xerxes]

Website up, can only buy the $529 version. But won't let purchase finish.

[Siraris]

Woh, it has Verizon on there now!

[Xerxes]

http://www.google.com/phone/static/en_US-nexusone_tech_specs.html
http://www.google.com/googlephone/tour/

[Goronmon]

Oh man, on Verizon that might be awesome!

[NoName]

"it runs on the server side... the processing does
every time you speak it trains and gets better, so you can compose emails while driving."

The "it" above refers to the voice recognition. That's cool that it learns...

[Siraris]

I wonder how this works with existing customers. How do you port your number over? And how long do you have to wait for the phone?

[Xerxes]

Through the web store you can buy a phone without service, or with service from a partner. If you buy it with service, you’ll get a discount and it will be comparable to high-end smartphones on the market.

So you rape people over a 2 year contract period like everyone. Hey that's not discount! :p

Actually I think you save $40? But atleast you aren't hold to they rules.

[NoName]

I wonder how this works with existing customers. How do you port your number over? And how long do you have to wait for the phone?

Since I switched to the Even More Plus plan, wouldn't I just need to put my sim card into it and have it just work?

As for the wait time, that's a good question. I wonder how many units they have for release.

[Siraris]

Since I switched to the Even More Plus plan, wouldn't I just need to put my sim card into it and have it just work?

As for the wait time, that's a good question. I wonder how many units they have for release.

I don't have T-mobile. I have to cancel sprint and port my number. How will that work if it's all done through the web?

It's actually $100 cheaper to get the phone Unlocked over 2 years... if you go with the contractless 500 minute plan.

[Goronmon]

I wonder if the unlocked version works on Verizon as well...

[civil]

Whoa...Verizon? I need to do some soul searching. And web searching.

[NoName]

I don't have T-mobile. I have to cancel sprint and port my number. How will that work if it's all done through the web?

It's actually $100 cheaper to get the phone Unlocked over 2 years... if you go with the contractless 500 minute plan.

Ahh. Then I don't think you can do it online, you'd have to go into T-mobile and the person there can steal your number to their network. I switched from Verizon to T-mobile and got to keep my number with no issues.

Also (unrelated), there's free overnight shipping in the check-out, but if you choose 2 day shipping it's 5 dollars. ^__^

[NoName]

Also, the tax for the unlocked phone seems to be 41 dollars, so the final total is 570.

[Goronmon]

If the unlocked version can work on both T-Mobile and Verizon, I might buy it, try out T-Mobile for a few months then switch back to Verizon if I'm not happy.

Edit: Boo, doesn't sound like you can do that.

[NoName]

"Q: Why 512MB for app storage only?
A: They store apps in the internal ROM and not on the SD card now, for piracy reasons, but they will offer an upgrade soon for installing apps on the SD card."

About time! At least for anyone running the vanilla android firmware.

[Siraris]

Anyone want to buy a Pre and an Airrave? :D

[NoName]

Anyone want to buy a Pre and an Airrave? :D

Haha, I was just wondering how much I could get for a rooted G1. I imagine the market is about to be flooded with them so...

[Xerxes]

Yikes... $573

[Goronmon]

So, it's really a psuedo-unlocked phone, as while technically you can switch SIM cards, it only works 100% with T-Mobile.

[Adam Blue]

The Nexus One is obviously a better phone than my Hero, but I think I'll stick with my Hero. Once I get a job then I'll worry about having the latest and greatest ;)

Also they said something about 2.1 being open source in a couple of days. Not sure exactly what that means to a developer, but maybe a fully-functional rooted phone?

[NoName]

So, it's really a psuedo-unlocked phone, as while technically you can switch SIM cards, it will only works 100% with T-Mobile.

This is true in the US. It supports the most popular bands globally, which only T-mobile uses. (Which doesn't really help if you live in the US...)

[Xerxes]

Also reiterating this won't be the only phone.

Now I feel like waiting for the N2 or one with a Keyboard. Honestly I've been trying the OSK and it's really not that bad.

[Siraris]

So, it's really a psuedo-unlocked phone, as while technically you can switch SIM cards, it only works 100% with T-Mobile.

It is a fully unlocked phone, and will work with any US GSM carrier and any European carrier. It will just not work with Rogers and AT&T 3G.

Buying the phone unlocked allows you to sign up for a month to month plan with T-Mobile, which you can cancel at any time. I'm probably going to do this. I'm going to opt out of my Sprint contract, and do the $59.99 plan with T-Mo month to month. Hell, if I don't like T-Mo, I can sell my unlocked Nexus One and get one on Verizon!

[Goronmon]

It is a fully unlocked phone, and will work with any US GSM carrier and any European carrier. It will just not work with Rogers and AT&T 3G.I'm speaking as far as the US is concerned, yes, technically it's unlocked, but since it doesn't work with 3G on AT&T or at all on Verizon or Sprint, it's hardly much different than if they didn't have an unlocked version.

Buying the phone unlocked allows you to sign up for a month to month plan with T-Mobile, which you can cancel at any time. I'm probably going to do this. I'm going to opt out of my Sprint contract, and do the $59.99 plan with T-Mo month to month. Hell, if I don't like T-Mo, I can sell my unlocked Nexus One and get one on Verizon!I might end up doing the same thing. $20 cheaper a month is quite a bit. Only sting will be paying the ETF with Verizon.

[Dukefrukem]

omg, verizon is getting the nexus one.....

[Voodoo]

Phone ordered. Came out to $530. Taxes were $0 and overnight shipping was $0.

[Goronmon]

How'd you even get that far? I just get an error page trying to get past the Phone selection screen.

[Dukefrukem]

Phone ordered. Came out to $530. Taxes were $0 and overnight shipping was $0.

you lucky fuck

[Goronmon]

Huh, apparently I can buy a phone in IE but not in Chrome. Interesting...

Hmm...wonder if engraving is worth it.

[Voodoo]

How'd you even get that far? I just get an error page trying to get past the Phone selection screen.

No idea. I'm in Firefox... I just selected the unlocked phone and proceeded. Filled out where to ship it to, what to charge it to and it's all done. Just got the purchase confirmation email too. I'm having it sent to my job so should make tomorrow or Thursday really cool.

I went with no engraving so it'll retain a higher value for resale and I'll be able to return it if necessary.

[Dukefrukem]

No idea. I'm in Firefox... I just selected the unlocked phone and proceeded. Filled out where to ship it to, what to charge it to and it's all done. Just got the purchase confirmation email too. I'm having it sent to my job so should make tomorrow or Thursday really cool.

I went with no engraving so it'll retain a higher value for resale and I'll be able to return it if necessary.

What provider do you have?

[Goronmon]

Oh, apparently it was being signed into my google account that blocked the pages from loading. Weird.

[Voodoo]

What provider do you have?

I have T-Mobile and am out of contract. :D I popped it on a CC I have that has rewards for purchases.

[Dukefrukem]

I have T-Mobile and am out of contract. :D I popped it on a CC I have that has rewards for purchases.

awesomness. You're golden then.

[Goronmon]

Yeah, still trying to decide if I really want to drop Verizon to give T-Mobile a shot.

[Slack3r78]

From Gizmodo's liveblog:
Q: Why was it necessary for Google to design the phone? Why couldn’t it just be an HTC phone running the new flavor of Android? And will these new features becoming to Droid?
A: It’s inaccurate to say Google designed the phone (points to HTC CEO). [Google] is just merchandising it online. Everybody will get 2.1 when it’s open source, within a couple of days.

Q: What are the revenue opportunities for Google?
A: It’s about advertising. There is a small margin on unit sales, but making sure people get access to Google services and get online is their #1 priority.

*cough*

[Xerxes]

Just got off the phone with a TMO rep. I'll be on the Even More Plus 500 plan with unlimited web and messages. So no contracts. Tax is really busting my balls. Fucking Texas.

[Xerxes]

From Gizmodo's liveblog:


*cough*

Yeah.... What about it?

[Voodoo]

Yeah, still trying to decide if I really want to drop Verizon to give T-Mobile a shot.

My opinion... Don't hip shoot this. Wait until the Verizon version comes out. It'll be worth the wait to have more options for yourself, esp if Verizon has better service in your area. I've been with T-Mobile for 3 years now and for me their service is great but I am well aware this isn't the same for all geographic locations.

[OldeWolf]

Buy a new HDTV and get rid of my family's 12 year old tv or buy the Nexus One and kick the sidekick to the curb...meh, can't decide.

[Dukefrukem]

Yeah, still trying to decide if I really want to drop Verizon to give T-Mobile a shot.

Why? It's coming to Verizon... :confused:

[Xerxes]

Buy a new HDTV and get rid of my family's 12 year old tv or buy the Nexus One and kick the sidekick to the curb...meh, can't decide.

You're a grown up, kick the sidekick to the curb. :D

You can always read more. And watch TV online like everyone else. :o

[Slack3r78]

Yeah.... What about it?

I seem to remember some discussion earlier in the thread about Google forcing the carriers into a new business model and I called it marketing. Those quotes sure sound like Google themselves are calling it marketing.

[Voodoo]

Buy a new HDTV and get rid of my family's 12 year old tv or buy the Nexus One and kick the sidekick to the curb...meh, can't decide.

Watch TV on the Nexus via Hulu when flash for Android is released. :D

[Xerxes]

I seem to remember some discussion earlier in the thread about Google forcing the carriers into a new business model and I called it marketing. Those quotes sure sound like Google themselves are calling it marketing.

This must of been a part of your Siraris spat. I thought android was always about marketing though. Ever since Ballmer's fit about how they plan to make money off it. It's always about the money with that guy. :o

[Xerxes]

Watch TV on the Nexus via Hulu when flash for Android is released. :D

Voodoo, I need your address. I'll send you my phone so I don't get taxed and you can ship it me cheaper. :D

[OldeWolf]

You're a grown up, kick the sidekick to the curb. :D

You can always read more. And watch TV online like everyone else. :o

Lol, only reason why I had the sidekick was because of the Deaf community in general (Plus it was my first "phone" ever).

Now the smart phone market is opening up like a hallelujah kingdom full of happiness and sunshine which is making my sidekick look an outdated 1966 star trek Tricorder.

On the other hand, I love watching movies. Everyone and their mother all have HDTV for the most part. My laptop is not good enough for me to watch movies on nor tv shows (as they're not always close caption).

Edit: Hulu doesn't have all shows subtitled unfortunately or else I would.

[Xerxes]

Lol, only reason why I had the sidekick was because of the Deaf community in general (Plus it was my first "phone" ever).

Now the smart phone market is opening up like a hallelujah kingdom full of happiness and sunshine which is making my sidekick look an outdated 1966 star trek Tricorder.

On the other hand, I love watching movies. Everyone and their mother all have HDTV for the most part. My laptop is not good enough for me to watch movies on nor tv shows (as they're not always close caption).

Edit: Hulu doesn't have all shows subtitled unfortunately or else I would.

Wow... Didn't know the sidekick had anything special for the deaf. Yeah, you have a toughy of options. Unless you find a way to get rich off "subtitles anywhere" for the deaf. Not sure how you make it happen.

[Voodoo]

Voodoo, I need your address. I'll send you my phone so I don't get taxed and you can ship it me cheaper. :D

Serious? I'll send you a PM if you like. Let me know for sure.

[Disgustipated]

Buy a new HDTV and get rid of my family's 12 year old tv or buy the Nexus One and kick the sidekick to the curb...meh, can't decide.

Buy a new HDTV. Your phone still works, and an HDTV is something everyone can enjoy.

[Xerxes]

Serious? I'll send you a PM if you like. Let me know for sure.

DO you know how much shipping for a package like that would be now days? I might have wait about 5 days but $43 tax seems a bit much.

[Voodoo]

DO you know how much shipping for a package like that would be now days? I might have wait about 5 days but $43 tax seems a bit much.

OK Mr X. I'll send you PM with address information.

[NoName]

DO you know how much shipping for a package like that would be now days? I might have wait about 5 days but $43 tax seems a bit much.

It's funny, without tax I can justify it as being "around 500". Though with tax, it reaches "around 600" which seems to make a big difference in my head...

[Xerxes]

It's funny, without tax I can justify it as being "around 500". Though with tax, it reaches "around 600" which seems to make a big difference in my head...

Exactly. I think Voodoo hit a glitch in the system or maybe Google thinks he's too awesome for tax. But even when I attempt to ship my phone to him it has Tax. I think I might just suck it up.

[Goronmon]

I'm really close to pulling the trigger on this. It does work out to be $550 for the phone after tax, plus the $145 or so I'd pay for killing my Verizon contract early.

[NoName]

Exactly. I think Voodoo hit a glitch in the system or maybe Google thinks he's too awesome for tax. But even when I attempt to ship my phone to him it has Tax. I think I might just suck it up.

Tax is different by state it seems, since it has so far ranged from 0-43 (my tax is 41).

It's probably based off your billing address, not the shipping address, which is why you're still taxed shipping to Voodoo.

[Voodoo]

Exactly. I think Voodoo hit a glitch in the system or maybe Google thinks he's too awesome for tax. But even when I attempt to ship my phone to him it has Tax. I think I might just suck it up.

Yeah! Haha! Check it out.
Nexus One phone $529.00 1 Shipping - FedEx overnight $0.00 Tax (FL) : $0.00

NoName has it correct... It is based on your billing address & shipping address combined.

[Xerxes]

I'm really close to pulling the trigger on this. It does work out to be $550 for the phone after tax, plus the $145 or so I'd pay for killing my Verizon contract early.

Do you not like Verizon? :confused: