Android Phones

[Cupelix]

So now that the myTouch 3G is out... anyone here looking to sell their old G1? That, or are there any trusted places to buy refurb ones? They're available through Amazon.com for $97 with a two year agreement, but since I'm looking to buy two (one for me, one for my wife), I'd love to save money anywhere I can.

Anyone have insider info on good places to pick one up?

[Voodoo]

Just done setting up my MyTouch and I really dig it. Don't care for the name too much though but ahh well...

[Kenzington4short]

Just done setting up my MyTouch and I really dig it. Don't care for the name too much though but ahh well...

Did you grab Sherpa? Darn thing can't seem to locate me so I have to manually tell it where I am. Stil, it's kinda neat. I don't know if I'll get much use out of it unless I'm somewhere I'm not familiar with and want to find a place to eat.

It seems like the MyTouch doesn't allow specific ringtones for specific people and notifications from what I can tell. I haven't done too much digging but I saw a workaround that involves making folders on the SD card. Didn't seem to work for me, though. See T-Mobile MyTouch thread. (http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=myTouch&thread.id=14889) (I don't recommend browsing too long. Most of the people there make my head hurt)

[crazyD]

Doesn't the MyTouch not come out until next week some time? I'll probably end up getting one.

*EDIT* - Ah, presales. Have there been any reviews? I'd really like to spend a little time playing around with one before I buy, too.

[Xerxes]

Anybody with a myTouch that had a G1 want to throw up some impressions so far.

[Cupelix]

It seems like the MyTouch doesn't allow specific ringtones for specific people and notifications from what I can tell. I haven't done too much digging but I saw a workaround that involves making folders on the SD card.That seems odd, considering that just about every phone on the market has supported ringtones per contact for a really long time. I'm assuming this is an Android limitation? The G1 doesn't let you do that either?

[Banacek]

That seems odd, considering that just about every phone on the market has supported ringtones per contact for a really long time. I'm assuming this is an Android limitation? The G1 doesn't let you do that either?

No, I can do it on my G1.

[Slack3r78]

Looks like I've killed another G1. This one just randomly locks up, refuses to wake from sleep, or sometimes just cuts off entirely. I've tried two different batteries, two SD cards, and pulled the SIM out and had it do the same thing to me. I've also tried a few different firmwares with no luck.

I've flashed everything back to stock, and will probably be running by T-Mobile to see about a loaner phone for the weekend and getting setup for a replacement.

Frustrating as I'd just gotten a Google Voice invite this morning I was looking forward to trying out.

[rifter]

Another G1? Wow, I am still on my first ...knocking on wood here.... god I hope I didn't just jinx myself!

Mine is slow. Painfully so. I really need to wipe it, and reload it. :-) I know I have an app that is just KILLING the poor little guy.

[Voodoo]

It seems like the MyTouch doesn't allow specific ringtones for specific people and notifications from what I can tell. I haven't done too much digging but I saw a workaround that involves making folders on the SD card. Didn't seem to work for me, though. See T-Mobile MyTouch thread. (http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=myTouch&thread.id=14889) (I don't recommend browsing too long. Most of the people there make my head hurt)
I've been able to specify ringtones to individal contacts as well as for each type of notification that phone has available. The options this phone is giving me is outstanding. :) The web browser is taking some getting used to having come from an iPhone. I absolutely love the Latitude integration and the background apps. :)

[Kenzington4short]

I've been able to specify ringtones to individal contacts as well as for each type of notification that phone has available. The options this phone is giving me is outstanding. :) The web browser is taking some getting used to having come from an iPhone. I absolutely love the Latitude integration and the background apps. :)

Sorry for the confusion. It is possible to specify ringtones to individual contacts. I just didn't know how to do it at the time and I didn't see it in the manual.

Music on the SD card doesn't immediately show up in the list of possible ringtones. The mp3s do however show up in the music app. From there you can tell the phone to add a particular song to the ringtone list. Then I can go into a contact/notification and specify a song there. It just seemed somewhat cumbersome. Thinking about it now though, maybe it was intentional. If I used the phone as my music player the ringtone list would be huge.

I am loving the phone, though. I think I'm really getting the hang of how it works. It was fun showing off some of the more unusual apps like the metal detector. And I looove the visual voicemail. I never realized how handy it could be to have it all listed in front of you. It makes it so easy to handle voicemail.

[Slack3r78]

Another G1? Wow, I am still on my first ...knocking on wood here.... god I hope I didn't just jinx myself!

Mine is slow. Painfully so. I really need to wipe it, and reload it. :-) I know I have an app that is just KILLING the poor little guy.

May have been a bit quick to blame the hardware. Flashed factory SPL and T-Mo's Cupcake build and it ran fine for a few hours. Reflashed cyanogen and it almost instantly flipped out. Not sure what's going on. Giving CM one more chance, but I've got another ROM sitting on my SD card ready to flash if it freaks out again.

[Urizen]

CM's been solid as a rock for me. Given the chatter on the forums, that's true for most people. Does sound like you have bad luck.

[Xerxes]

Apparently Hero is coming to US as a Sprint phone?

I think the only thing I hate about T-Mobile is the phone they end up with sometime. I can vibe to their less than stellar 3G, it still works well. Love the service, I've never had issues even since they were Voicestream in Houston. Not just phone service, but even above decent support service as well. I'd like the same discount new customer's get on new phones, but all of them screw loyalty for new people. Which is stupid, but standard. But it's the phones. I think the G1 is the first phone they've had that I really dug. Something tells me that Samsung Galaxy probably won't be a T-Mobile offering either.

[Jackel]

Damn. I was really hoping to see the Hero go to ATT.

[Xerxes]

Damn. I was really hoping to see the Hero go to ATT.

Has ATT even shown interest in Android phones yet?:confused:

[Adam Blue]

Any Android phone can work on AT&T, it's just a matter of affording it. Or get a cheaper handset and install the OS.

[Jackel]

Has ATT even shown interest in Android phones yet?:confused:

No, but back in the beginning of July, the FCC approved the Hero design that included the ATT 3G spectrums.

Any Android phone can work on AT&T, it's just a matter of affording it. Or get a cheaper handset and install the OS.

Would I still get 3G if I import it? I thought that the 3G networks in Europe were on different spectrums than the ATT ones.

[Slack3r78]

The problem is that the Hero sucks. HTC went overboard on the software side and the phone runs like complete shit as a result, even with its extra RAM over other Android phones. The design aesthetic is nice, but it basically totally falls apart from a usage perspective. That's why T-mo has flat out said they have no plans to bring it to the US.

[Xerxes]

The problem is that the Hero sucks. HTC went overboard on the software side and the phone runs like complete shit as a result, even with its extra RAM over other Android phones. The design aesthetic is nice, but it basically totally falls apart from a usage perspective. That's why T-mo has flat out said they have no plans to bring it to the US.

Really? I didn't know it didn't run well. Wasn't the impression I got from engadgetmobile.

[Slack3r78]

Really? I didn't know it didn't run well. Wasn't the impression I got from engadgetmobile.

Guy that reviewed it for Gizmodo is an old friend of mine. He was displeased with the unit.

[Xerxes]

Guy that reviewed it for Gizmodo is an old friend of mine. He was displeased with the unit.

Only thing I didn't think I would was the no keyboard. I like the Sense UI alot. The smart dialer more than anything.

HTC should sell it as an app.

[Voodoo]

The problem is that the Hero sucks. HTC went overboard on the software side and the phone runs like complete shit as a result, even with its extra RAM over other Android phones. The design aesthetic is nice, but it basically totally falls apart from a usage perspective. That's why T-mo has flat out said they have no plans to bring it to the US.
Hmm... It doesn't seem that the Hero has any more memory than the HTC Magic/MyTouch 3G. I'm pulling this information right from HTC's website.

HTC Magic Specs (http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/specification.html)

HTC Hero Specs (http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html)

They even have the same processor speed. As I noted before, I'm not quite sure why people keep thinking that the Hero or the Galaxy are anything particularly special. The Galaxy has less RAM than either the Hero or Magic.

Samsung GT-i7500 Specs (http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i7500-2791.php) (take special note of the 128MB RAM)

All three phones have the same processor (note: slightly older tech than the G1 (http://www.htc.com/us/product/g1/specification.html)[which has more RAM than the Galaxy]) as well.

[Slack3r78]

Only thing I didn't think I would was the no keyboard. I like the Sense UI alot. The smart dialer more than anything.

HTC should sell it as an app.
SenseUI is pretty, but it's the problem with the Hero. It's very heavy, and really needs heftier hardware than any of the current Android phones have.

[Slack3r78]

T-Mobile now officially supports visual voicemail on Android devices. I believe MyTouch3G devices are shipping with it preinstalled.

If you have a G1, you need to either call customer service at 611 or change your data plan online from the G1 data plan to the "Android data and messaging" plan. There's no change in price, it just enables visual VM and whatever new features they have on your account. Then go to the market and download the T-Mobile Visual Voicemail app.

It took about 10 minutes to kick in on my phone. This fills probably one of the single biggest feature gaps for me.

[Xerxes]

What the hell is visual voice mail?

[BLeeP]

What the hell is visual voice mail?

I was under the impression that it made an interface for browsing and listening to voice mail, as opposed to dialing the number and listening form menu choices and what not. Pretty much exactly what it says.

[crazyD]

Gonna try to grab a myTouch tonight. Getting excited! I love the concept of having internet wherever I go, and never owned a smart phone before.

[Xerxes]

I was under the impression that it made an interface for browsing and listening to voice mail, as opposed to dialing the number and listening form menu choices and what not. Pretty much exactly what it says.

Hmmm, I thought I played visualizations when you listened to voice mail. Neither serve me well. <shrug>

[Slack3r78]

Gonna try to grab a myTouch tonight. Getting excited! I love the concept of having internet wherever I go, and never owned a smart phone before.

Play with one in store first. I'm of the opinion that the Android soft keyboard isn't very good.

But if it's your first smart phone, it could be that you'll be completely happy with that too.

[Slack3r78]

I was under the impression that it made an interface for browsing and listening to voice mail, as opposed to dialing the number and listening form menu choices and what not. Pretty much exactly what it says.

Pretty much. I'm really bad about letting voicemails backup because a lot of the ones I get are pretty much worthless. This is going to be a huge timesaver for me.

[crazyD]

Play with one in store first. I'm of the opinion that the Android soft keyboard isn't very good.

But if it's your first smart phone, it could be that you'll be completely happy with that too.

I have played with the software keyboard a few times. Tried it out in the store twice, and on my friend's G1. With the feedback on, I didn't really have a problem with it. Missed a few letters when typing fast, but that happens when using the tiny physical keyboards as well.

[crazyD]

Anyone know how to turn on the haptic feedback while typing? Can't seem to figure it out.

[Voodoo]

Anyone know how to turn on the haptic feedback while typing? Can't seem to figure it out.
Home, Menu, Settings, Local & Text, Touch Input [Settings], Text Input and then its under Other Settings - Vibrate when typing.

[Mason]

Android also has me smart-phone curious, but I have questions:

Are there unambiguously okay handsets yet? The G1 seemed to have a lot of compromises.

Any developer experiences? It sounds like Java is the lingua franca...which is bad. Is Python usable on it yet?

[Slack3r78]

Any developer experiences? It sounds like Java is the lingua franca...which is bad. Is Python usable on it yet?

I've only just dipped my toes in the dev waters recently. The debug stuff for Android is pretty awesome, but I haven't done any real coding.

Not sure on python, but Android is essentially a Java platform. Davlik is a specialized JVM designed specifically for Android. I know there have been C/C++ projects made to run on it, but I'm not sure about higher level languages at this point.

I really intended to be better versed on this at this point, but I'm in the middle of trying to get a potential business venture off the ground, so I've been distracted. ;)

[crazyD]

Home, Menu, Settings, Local & Text, Touch Input [Settings], Text Input and then its under Other Settings - Vibrate when typing.

Thank you so very much.

[Xerxes]

Any phone case suggestions?

[Cupelix]

Well, I've had my G1 for a couple of days now, and I must say that I love it! There are some really cool tools on the Market; particularly the ones straight from Google. I was able to generate a google map showing the walking path I took through the woods with my dog the other day. Simple, but very cool. And damn am I happy that it has a real keyboard. I can't imagine trying to make this post from my phone without it!

[Zagrash]

I'm a big fan of my G1 as well, but I just saw THIS (http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/17/t-mobile-g1-wont-see-any-android-updates-beyond-1-5/) and am somewhat kicking myself for not being more patient.

[Cupelix]

I'm a big fan of my G1 as well, but I just saw THIS (http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/17/t-mobile-g1-wont-see-any-android-updates-beyond-1-5/) and am somewhat kicking myself for not being more patient.Wow, that is pretty f'n shitty. What will really suck is if apps start only supporting the new version, and won't run on the G1 at all. That would be a kick in the balls to all G1 owners. Granted, I'm late to the G1 party, and in reality this would happen almost two years after it first launched... but really, a phone should last more than two years!

[Slack3r78]

Given the stuff I've already seen Cyanogen and other devs at XDA pull off, I'm not overly worried. Hell, Cyanogen's already backported quite a bit of Donut functionality to Cupcake.

[Zagrash]

For anybody that might want to root their phone, but didn't think they could (or didn't want to spend the time learning how) here's an app that will take care of it for you. Instructions found Here... (http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2009/08/16/android-rooting-in-1-click-in-progress/) I downloaded but haven't installed yet, but figured if anybody was interested, they should get it before it gets taken away (it was on the market for a VERY short time earlier).

[Slack3r78]

Yeah, there was recently a one-click root exploit discovered. I haven't tried it myself yet, but it's supposedly pretty reliable.

[Xerxes]

Benefits again to "rooting"?

[Slack3r78]

Benefits again to "rooting"?

Running third party firmwares. Biggest thing off the bat is wifi or bluetooth tethering. But the exact features you can get depend on the firmware you choose.

[Slack3r78]

Timely:

http://lifehacker.com/5342237/

[Xerxes]

Well now I have to. :(
I always fear I will break something or miss a step.

[Zagrash]

Well now I have to. :(
I always fear I will break something or miss a step.

you and me both! I like to think I'm not an idiot or anything, but still the possibility of bricking something I've spent a decent chunk of money on isn't particularly appealing. I'm still a bit torn on whether or not I want to take the plunge.

[Xerxes]

you and me both! I like to think I'm not an idiot or anything, but still the possibility of bricking something I've spent a decent chunk of money on isn't particularly appealing. I'm still a bit torn on whether or not I want to take the plunge.

Exactly. I'd like to think being more cautious would help but, I've flubbed things before.

[NoName]

Given the stuff I've already seen Cyanogen and other devs at XDA pull off, I'm not overly worried. Hell, Cyanogen's already backported quite a bit of Donut functionality to Cupcake.

Cyanogen's mod has made my G1 so much better. The best part is reading the mod log of the experimental image every once in awhile to see all the new goodies on the horizon. :D

Speaking of which, I just noticed that v4.01 has finally been released! Time to backup and play with the new firmware.

[Zagrash]

Cyanogen's mod has made my G1 so much better. The best part is reading the mod log of the experimental image every once in awhile to see all the new goodies on the horizon. :D

Speaking of which, I just noticed that v4.01 has finally been released! Time to backup and play with the new firmware.

I'm apparently a giant wuss, or just don't want to deal with updating/changing firmware every time a new version is released. I'm still squarely on the fence, seeing both pros and cons for either side...damnit...

[Banacek]

I just unlocked an iPhone, so I'm moving on the G1 this weekend. That top 5 list alone is enough for me to root my G1.

[Banacek]

and.... the G1 is rooted. God that was easy. If you are going to root your G1, do it now while it's so easy.

[Zagrash]

and.... the G1 is rooted. God that was easy. If you are going to root your G1, do it now while it's so easy.

decisions decisions...arg...I'm going back and forth like crazy

[Slack3r78]

I'm apparently a giant wuss, or just don't want to deal with updating/changing firmware every time a new version is released. I'm still squarely on the fence, seeing both pros and cons for either side...damnit...

There's a Cyanogenmod updater on the market place. Once you're rooted and have CM installed, it can handle checking for and downloading new versions automatically for you, just like T-Mo OTA updates.

[Slack3r78]

Cyanogen's mod has made my G1 so much better. The best part is reading the mod log of the experimental image every once in awhile to see all the new goodies on the horizon. :D

Speaking of which, I just noticed that v4.01 has finally been released! Time to backup and play with the new firmware.

FYI: 4.0.2 should be out in the next day or so with some bugfixes. Best way to keep up is via Cyanogen's twitter account, if you use Twitter. He updates on development pretty regularly.

[Xerxes]

Thanks to all this encouragement I think I'll try this later on today when I'm more alert. Is there a way to unbrick it if I fuck up?

[Banacek]

Hmm, I can't seem to buy anything from the Android store anymore. I wonder if it has to do with my phone being rooted.

EDIT: Yes, yes it is. Oh well.

[Xerxes]

Hmm, I can't seem to buy anything from the Android store anymore. I wonder if it has to do with my phone being rooted.

EDIT: Yes, yes it is. Oh well.

Wow... I don't think I was buying any apps in the first place but that sucks.

[Zagrash]

Hmm, I can't seem to buy anything from the Android store anymore. I wonder if it has to do with my phone being rooted.

EDIT: Yes, yes it is. Oh well.

Wow... I don't think I was buying any apps in the first place but that sucks.

yeah, that's almost a deal breaker for me...I don't really plan on buying a ton of apps or anything, but if something comes along that would be useful, and I can't buy it, that seems a bit counterproductive.

[Slack3r78]

Hmm, I can't seem to buy anything from the Android store anymore. I wonder if it has to do with my phone being rooted.

EDIT: Yes, yes it is. Oh well.

Huh? I've bought apps on the market since being rooted (Bloo most recently). Not sure what the deal there is.

[Banacek]

Huh? I've bought apps on the market since being rooted (Bloo most recently). Not sure what the deal there is.

Try again. It seems that users were buying apps, moving them to the SD, and then asking for a refund. Google's response was to block all rooted phones from paid apps (you can still get free apps). All I wanted was Bloo, so I might just send the guy a dollar and ask for the app. IF not, no real loss.

[Banacek]

Could also be the firmware I'm using. Who knows.

[Slack3r78]

Try again. It seems that users were buying apps, moving them to the SD, and then asking for a refund. Google's response was to block all rooted phones from paid apps (you can still get free apps). All I wanted was Bloo, so I might just send the guy a dollar and ask for the app. IF not, no real loss.

Yeah, that was months ago, and it locked out ADP1s as well. Google fixed that AFAIK.

And I just bought Bloo within the past month. I haven't heard about anything since then.

I'm running CM3.9.12.2 FWIW.

[Banacek]

Yeah, that was months ago, and it locked out ADP1s as well. Google fixed that AFAIK.

And I just bought Bloo within the past month. I haven't heard about anything since then.

I'm running CM3.9.12.2 FWIW.

What the hell then. I'm running CM4.0.1. I'll try again tomorrow.

[Xerxes]

yeah, that's almost a deal breaker for me...I don't really plan on buying a ton of apps or anything, but if something comes along that would be useful, and I can't buy it, that seems a bit counterproductive.

You do it first and I'll follow. :o

[Zagrash]

You do it first and I'll follow. :o

that's hilarious, I was hoping you'd get it done and show how easy it is =)

if nothing else, there's This video over on Androidandme (http://androidandme.com/2009/08/news/root-a-t-mobile-mytouch-3g-or-g1-in-6-minutes-and-flash-cyanogens-rom-with-donut-crumbs/) where they root and install the new ROM in right around 6 minutes, which shows how easy it is...I'm still a bit hesitant though.

I'm guessing they won't have this exploit closed anytime in the next few days, so I figure I have some time to think it over. I think I'd probably do it right now if there was a video similar to the one ROOTING the phone showing how to UN-ROOT. But for now I'll just keep doing my research I guess.

[Xerxes]

Fuck it... I don't have any fucking friends calling me off the hook. And Slack3r78 will save me if I fuck up, I just know he will. I'm charging the battery now cause it's almost dead. But in about an hour... I'm going in.

//queue dramatic music

[Zagrash]

Fuck it... I don't have any fucking friends calling me off the hook. And Slack3r78 will save me if I fuck up, I just know he will. I'm charging the battery now cause it's almost dead. But in about an hour... I'm going in.

//queue dramatic music

Good luck dude! Let me know how it goes, I may jump in after you as long as all goes well, etc.

[Xerxes]

Got any other links you want to contribute. I'm trying to book up with not a lot of time.

[Banacek]

Just follow the links from the lifehacker.net link that Slack3r78 posted. It's pretty painless.

[Deadend]

So my Verizon contract ends this week. Android looks hot, anyone got recommendations that are up to date? As this whole rooting of the G1 for usage as a mobile AP sounds shithot.

So what is the current monthly price, and anyoen try out the newer Android phones? Ideally I want the body of the G1 with the improved internals of the G2, as I hate touchscreen keyboards.

[Slack3r78]

So my Verizon contract ends this week. Android looks hot, anyone got recommendations that are up to date? As this whole rooting of the G1 for usage as a mobile AP sounds shithot.

So what is the current monthly price, and anyoen try out the newer Android phones? Ideally I want the body of the G1 with the improved internals of the G2, as I hate touchscreen keyboards.

I'd pass on the G2/MyTouch, personally, because of the keyboard issue you mention. There will be better phones out soon enough, too. I love the G1, but almost feel the same way about it at this point. Great phone for early adopters and people like me that really wanted Android to have a strong start out of the gate so it'd catch on, but I'm not sure it'd be the best purchase now that it's going on a year old.

I'm not saying don't get one, just keep in mind there are supposed to be a dozen or so Android phones on the market before the end of the year.

Android plan is $25/month unlimited data+400 txt or $35/month for unlimited data+txts. I'm on a $39.99 600min/unlimited nights+weekends plan with T-mo. My total monthly bill after taxes and all is around $80/month, if that helps.

[Slack3r78]

I'm guessing they won't have this exploit closed anytime in the next few days, so I figure I have some time to think it over. I think I'd probably do it right now if there was a video similar to the one ROOTING the phone showing how to UN-ROOT. But for now I'll just keep doing my research I guess.
Unrooting is a little bit more difficult, just because it takes a while to hunt down the files you need. There are several threads on xda developers walking through the process. It's not that bad. I've had to do it a few times now getting phones ready to send back to T-Mo for warranty replacement. ;)

Here's the thread I bookmarked for myself for future reference in case I have to do it again, FWIW:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491350

[Slack3r78]

Oh yeah, since I'm multi-posting anyway, CM4.0.2 is out.

[Banacek]

Unrooting is a little bit more difficult, just because it takes a while to hunt down the files you need. There are several threads on xda developers walking through the process. It's not that bad. I've had to do it a few times now getting phones ready to send back to T-Mo for warranty replacement. ;)

Here's the thread I bookmarked for myself for future reference in case I have to do it again, FWIW:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491350

If you follow the link you posted, you make a full backup of your original phone with Nandroid. Using that, isn't it pretty easy to unroot your system?

[Slack3r78]

If you follow the link you posted, you make a full backup of your original phone with Nandroid. Using that, isn't it pretty easy to unroot your system?

The one click root stuff came out after I've gotten all my phones, so that didn't occur to me.

That said, even if you restored the backup, you'd still have the Cyanogen Recovery Manager installed. I don't know if T-Mo is really going to care if you send back a phone with a third party recovery manager, but I'd rather get everything back to factory just to be safe.

[Banacek]

The one click root stuff came out after I've gotten all my phones, so that didn't occur to me.

That said, even if you restored the backup, you'd still have the Cyanogen Recovery Manager installed. I don't know if T-Mo is really going to care if you send back a phone with a third party recovery manager, but I'd rather get everything back to factory just to be safe.

The Recovery Flasher lets you restore that as well, once you restore from Nandroid. In fact, you can't flash the phone without first making a backup. Do that, uninstall Recovery Flasher, and you're done.

[Slack3r78]

The Recovery Flasher lets you restore that as well, once you restore from Nandroid. In fact, you can't flash the phone without first making a backup. Do that, uninstall Recovery Flasher, and you're done.

Well, in that case, unrooting should be much easier too. :)

[Xerxes]

See I can't wrap my head around Nandroid.

[Slack3r78]

See I can't wrap my head around Nandroid.

I'm not sure what there is to get? It does a full backup of the phone.

[Cupelix]

Android plan is $25/month unlimited data+400 txt or $35/month for unlimited data+txts. I'm on a $39.99 600min/unlimited nights+weekends plan with T-mo. My total monthly bill after taxes and all is around $80/month, if that helps.
I just switched to T-Mobile from Verizon about a week and a half ago, and when I switched, I was told explicitly that the $25/month data plan did not include any text messages. They described the two plans as "Unlimited Data" and "Unlimited Data with Unlimited Messaging." If you work for a big company, check out if you get any corporate discounts; I get 15% off my bill and had my activation fees waived through a corporate discount.

[Slack3r78]

I just switched to T-Mobile from Verizon about a week and a half ago, and when I switched, I was told explicitly that the $25/month data plan did not include any text messages.

Hm, it appears they changed that when they introduced the new Android data plan. That sucks.

[Xerxes]

I'm not sure what there is to get? It does a full backup of the phone.

I what it does. I know but it's like i can't connect how to do it. Scripts and flips and connect the computer. Wha?!:confused:

[Xerxes]

Good luck dude! Let me know how it goes, I may jump in after you as long as all goes well, etc.

Just follow this.
http://androidandme.com/2009/08/news/how-to-root-a-t-mobile-g1-and-mytouch-3g-android-phone/

I think I was done in like 5 minutes. :eek:
Not sure what to do now. Trying to put my life back together I guess.

[Xerxes]

Doesn't Cyanogen have App2SD already built in or did I read that wrong?

[Banacek]

Doesn't Cyanogen have App2SD already built in or did I read that wrong?

It does, I think you have to make a partition for it on your SD card first. I'm going to upgrade my sd card to a class 6 before I do it though.

[Xerxes]

It does, I think you have to make a partition for it on your SD card first. I'm going to upgrade my sd card to a class 6 before I do it though.

Oh shit. I don't know how to make partitions and yeah. I should move up from this class 4.

OMG. I just found me the app I always wanted. aContacts is the greatest.

[Zagrash]

Oh shit. I don't know how to make partitions and yeah. I should move up from this class 4.

OMG. I just found me the app I always wanted. aContacts is the greatest.

Before you go too crazy, you want to try going back to stock and see how that goes? Or are you sufficiently happy to be rooted/modded?

A recent android and me tweet is slowly breaking my resolve, ill probably end up jumping in soon...I want to get a class 6 sd card first though, just to get it all done at once

[Xerxes]

Before you go too crazy, you want to try going back to stock and see how that goes? Or are you sufficiently happy to be rooted/modded?

A recent android and me tweet is slowly breaking my resolve, ill probably end up jumping in soon...I want to get a class 6 sd card first though, just to get it all done at once
I'll worry about that when I need to ship it back to Android. So far it seems stable and a bet quicker. I like some of the smaller things like the keyboard and how it knows which way I'm holding the phone. Wish it was a bit quicker on that though. It dims and then pops into it's new mode.

[NoName]

I what it does. I know but it's like i can't connect how to do it. Scripts and flips and connect the computer. Wha?!:confused:

After you have your phone rooted, install Cyanogen's "Pimped out recovery image" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3915123).

Then, boot into recovery mode (hold home while powering on), and you can select to do a backup from the convenient menu. There's also the restore option if for some reason you need it.

[NoName]

Hm, it appears they changed that when they introduced the new Android data plan. That sucks.

Yea, when I got my phone they were in the process of switching. Luckily for me the new data plan didn't work correctly in the computer so they just gave me the old one. :D

Also, thanks for the tip about the twitter updates by Cyanogen, I'll check it out.

[Slack3r78]

It does, I think you have to make a partition for it on your SD card first. I'm going to upgrade my sd card to a class 6 before I do it though.

Yes.

If you're comfortable with using the console, it can be done that way from the phone.

Manually:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534714

Via a script:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=543985

The manual method can be done from the recovery console on the phone itself. The script method is pretty much going to require you set up USB debugging and using the ADB console. Probably not for the weak of heart, but not as bad as it sounds. Download the Android SDK and all the tools needed are there, including the USB debug driver.


If you have a USB SD card reader, you can also use an Ubuntu live CD to partition your SD card. Walkthrough for that here, probably the most noob-friendly method of doing so that I'm aware of:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535914

[Slack3r78]

After you have your phone rooted, install Cyanogen's "Pimped out recovery image" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3915123).
I've gotten the impression that this one click rooter installs CR1.4 for you.

Yea, when I got my phone they were in the process of switching. Luckily for me the new data plan didn't work correctly in the computer so they just gave me the old one. :D
Just as an FYI, visual voicemail only works with the new Android plan and not the old G1 plan, unfortunately. So if that's something you care about, you'll have to 'upgrade' eventually. :(

[Slack3r78]

I what it does. I know but it's like i can't connect how to do it. Scripts and flips and connect the computer. Wha?!:confused:

If you have Cyanogen's Recovery Manager installed, it's simply a matter of booting into the recover manager (hold down Power+Home to turn on or just Home during a reboot) and selecting "Nandroid Backup 2.2" to perform a backup or "Restore latest backup" to revert back. It's all totally menu driven now.

[Xerxes]

And I just switched my G1 Plan to the Android plan. I mean they should just abolish the G1 plan. I don't have any voice mail yet but I'd like to see this visual voice mail in action.

[Slack3r78]

And I just switched my G1 Plan to the Android plan. I mean they should just abolish the G1 plan. I don't have any voice mail yet but I'd like to see this visual voice mail in action.

Also another headsup, the visual voicemail app doesn't seem to like to work when connected to WiFi. It had to be connected to 3G/EDGE last I knew of. Not sure if that's been corrected yet.

[rein]

Damn I wish T-Mo would get 3G service in my area. I'm about to switch to AT&T because I am tired of waiting.

[Xerxes]

Also another headsup, the visual voicemail app doesn't seem to like to work when connected to WiFi. It had to be connected to 3G/EDGE last I knew of. Not sure if that's been corrected yet.

I'm normally always on 3G. I get weirded out when my phone goes edge?

[Zagrash]

Conceivably, could I use the Recovery Console to back everything up to my current SD card, then put in a new class 6 sd card formatted for apps to SD, and then just switch back and forth? I.e. keep the original sd around to bring the phone back to stock if necessary, but otherwise just use the new sd? I would think that would have to work, since you'd need to wipe the sd card to format it anyway...

Also, the visual voicemail is fairly underwhelming too, it mostly just lets you see who left the voicemail, and gives you access to listen to it without calling into the regular voicemail number. I wasn't super impressed, but I might have been missing something.

[Slack3r78]

Conceivably, could I use the Recovery Console to back everything up to my current SD card, then put in a new class 6 sd card formatted for apps to SD, and then just switch back and forth? I.e. keep the original sd around to bring the phone back to stock if necessary, but otherwise just use the new sd? I would think that would have to work, since you'd need to wipe the sd card to format it anyway...
Nandroid just creates a directory on your SD card. You could just copy that to your PC.

Also, the visual voicemail is fairly underwhelming too, it mostly just lets you see who left the voicemail, and gives you access to listen to it without calling into the regular voicemail number. I wasn't super impressed, but I might have been missing something.
That's all it is. For someone like me that might have 4-5 voicemails backed up at a time, it just makes checking stuff quicker and easier. Also, it makes finding saved voicemails much easier. Or if I know there's a specific message I'm looking for, I can jump straight to it and ignore the others for the time being.

[Xerxes]

Starting to regret this. My volume is almost halved. I crank it all the way up and I can barely hear it ring or the alarm go off. That's no good at all for someone who relies on the alarm. I have Cyanogen 4.0.2

I also only can hope I installed a shitty app. Cause the battery drained 40% over night.

Edit: I think this Task Killer helps. I just ended all tasks, rebooted and bam volume is back to normal. I also found a couple pointless apps just running all the time. I don't know those cause the rss reader is only supposed to download every 4 hours. <shrug>

[Zagrash]

Starting to regret this. My volume is almost halved. I crank it all the way up and I can barely hear it ring or the alarm go off. That's no good at all for someone who relies on the alarm. I have Cyanogen 4.0.2

I also only can hope I installed a shitty app. Cause the battery drained 40% over night.

Edit: I think this Task Killer helps. I just ended all tasks, rebooted and bam volume is back to normal. I also found a couple pointless apps just running all the time. I don't know those cause the rss reader is only supposed to download every 4 hours. <shrug>

So how are you feeling about it a few days after the fact? Noticing a lot of improvements, or still annoyances? I'm still trying to hunt down a class 6 sd card, but I'm leaning more and more towards rooting.

[DiBiddilyBop]

I'm curious what the next best android phone is supposed to be. My old plan is up and I use gmail, google calendar, google contacts and google voice, so it only makes sense that I get an android phone, however I'm not seeing any phones currently out or coming down the pipe in the near future that really wow me. It seems like the Hero was a little bit of a let down since it's built on old hardware, and the new Samsung phones are looking to suffer from the same problem. I just want a relatively thin phone (since my old one is a brick) with a slide out keyboard on some decent hardware. Does anyone know what might fit the bill?

[Xerxes]

I felt like I just gave my phone a reason to live. I can easily see keeping it about 6 months longer now. :) No more rush to get my hands on a Galaxy or awaiting the next QWERTY slider from whoever. And that's WITHOUT using app2sd. I can see some slow downs, but I put several new apps on my phone so I think my memory is bogged down. So on the 1st, I'm looking to get the class 6 card and see another boost.

I'm debating on weather to get a 8GB or a 16GB.

[Xerxes]

I'm curious what the next best android phone is supposed to be. My old plan is up and I use gmail, google calendar, google contacts and google voice, so it only makes sense that I get an android phone, however I'm not seeing any phones currently out or coming down the pipe in the near future that really wow me. It seems like the Hero was a little bit of a let down since it's built on old hardware, and the new Samsung phones are looking to suffer from the same problem. I just want a relatively thin phone (since my old one is a brick) with a slide out keyboard on some decent hardware. Does anyone know what might fit the bill?


Motorola holding Android event on September 10, awesome new handsets in store? (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/08/25/motorola-holding-android-event-on-september-10-awesome-new-hand/)

Although so far what we've seen is one looks like a baby's phone and the other is for Verizon. But I think Motorola was supposed to be doing a heavy push with Android so I'm hoping they have atleast one more phone that's really snazzy.

Others clam to have a lot things in the pipeline but I thought the leaking of more info would start in fall. Guess I'm expecting to much right now.

[Zagrash]

I felt like I just gave my phone a reason to live. I can easily see keeping it about 6 months longer now. :) No more rush to get my hands on a Galaxy or awaiting the next QWERTY slider from whoever. And that's WITHOUT using app2sd. I can see some slow downs, but I put several new apps on my phone so I think my memory is bogged down. So on the 1st, I'm looking to get the class 6 card and see another boost.

I'm debating on weather to get a 8GB or a 16GB.

Damn, that much of a switch, eh? making the decision whether or not to root that much harder, but that's not really a bad thing. I may do that sometime this week, if I can pry myself away from Arkham Asylum long enough. Is there a lot of new functionality, or just an overall performance increase? or both?

I'm honestly probably just going to see about getting a 4 or 8 gb sd card. I don't envision myself using the phone to listen to music, or that sort of thing, so the storage would really just be for photos, and the occasional video or something. That being said, if I find a 16 gb card for a reasonable price, I'll probably still pick it up.

Guess I'd better buy Bloo, and any other paid apps that I want before making the switch...unless there's some way around that problem with CFW already...

[Slack3r78]

I'm curious what the next best android phone is supposed to be.
Sony-Ericsson has the Xperia X3 coming out by the end of the year, and I'd lay money that it'll be phenomenal. It's the Android phone I'm most excited about. I owned almost nothing but S-E phones until my G1, minus about 6 months on a RAZR I got for free (and then sold because I hated it).

[Xerxes]

That X3 does look very nice. I really want another slider, but all of those sexy features can persuade me. I'd think I'd still prefer Sense UI over Rachel though.

[Slack3r78]

That X3 does look very nice. I really want another slider, but all of those sexy features can persuade me. I'd think I'd still prefer Sense UI over Rachel though.

S-E are the kings of mobile interface design. HTC is okay, but SenseUI is just a lightly skinned Android, after playing with it a bit.

[Xerxes]

S-E are the kings of mobile interface design. HTC is okay, but SenseUI is just a lightly skinned Android, after playing with it a bit.

Hmmm. Tell the truth, now that I have aContacts, all of my dailer prayers have been answered. And the photo phone book only makes me love it more. :D

Kings eh? I never had a S-E although I've never been a phone whore. I've only got into smart phones with a hand me down Blackberry. That was a interface nightmare and I find BB hasn't changed in all these years and I doubt the plan to. Even Storm looks like the same mess. WinMo 6 wasn't all that bad on the Tmobile Wing. And now I'm here with Android. The G1 is by far the best but if only it had some real hardware behind it. Vanilla Android is fine with me really. I just wanted a intuitive T9 system.

Funny story, I gave the phone to my brother right when I was going to mod it. He just broke the LCD, and I just found out you can fix that with a $30 LCD of ebay. I think I might find a Rom and either upgrade his phone and if all fails and gets bricked, tell him it didn't work.

What media program are you guys using if any? I figure watching a video my kill the battery before a real video would even end. I have to keep my brightness on 0. It's like the sadest aspect of my phone.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Sony-Ericsson has the Xperia X3

Ooooooooooh. Now that's what I'm talking about. Originally I wanted a thin phone with no qwerty, then I decided a qwerty would be nice, but this definitely fits the bill of a sleak, slim phone with some powerful hardware. Thanks for the heads up, Slack3r!

[Xerxes]

Ooooooooooh. Now that's what I'm talking about. Originally I wanted a thin phone with no qwerty, then I decided a qwerty would be nice, but this definitely fits the bill of a sleak, slim phone with some powerful hardware. Thanks for the heads up, Slack3r!

With the new keyboard of the rooted G1, onscreen might not be so bad. When you turn it sideways at least.

[Deadend]

Hmm it looks like I can get a G1 from Wal-mart and a few other places for $97 + tax with a contract and $65 a month will get me covered on everything.. well unless there is an option to get say a couple hundred texts a month for less.

As people seem to love it on here and it doesn't seem like the Hero is ever coming stateside, making the G1 the best google phone at my price range for a long time.

[Xerxes]

Slacker's right...

I'm eating my words.
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I'd love to know when this comes out.

[Slack3r78]

As people seem to love it on here and it doesn't seem like the Hero is ever coming stateside, making the G1 the best google phone at my price range for a long time.
Hero is already announced as coming to Sprint in the next couple of months.

[Zagrash]

For what it's worth, here are some links I've come across in my research tonight regarding rooting/unrooting my G1 (in no particular order):

Un-Root your G1 - with links to required files (http://theunlockr.com/2009/07/05/how-to-unroot-your-t-mobile-g1/)

Theunlockr.com in general has some interesting information (http://theunlockr.com)

New site for all things Cyanogen (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/)

Android and Me (http://androidandme.com) has had quite a few helpful links

[Xerxes]

For what it's worth, here are some links I've come across in my research tonight regarding rooting/unrooting my G1 (in no particular order):

Un-Root your G1 - with links to required files (http://theunlockr.com/2009/07/05/how-to-unroot-your-t-mobile-g1/)

Theunlockr.com in general has some interesting information (http://theunlockr.com)

New site for all things Cyanogen (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/)

Android and Me (http://androidandme.com) has had quite a few helpful links


Just follow this, and in about 10 minutes you'd wonder where all the hard shit went. I'm probably doing it wrong not taking time to learn about scripts and commands but I don't care. I wanted what I wanted painlessly.

[Zagrash]

Just follow this, and in about 10 minutes you'd wonder where all the hard shit went. I'm probably doing it wrong not taking time to learn about scripts and commands but I don't care. I wanted what I wanted painlessly.

yes, painless is good...by any chance do you or anyone else know if the paid apps on custom firmware work yet? or if there's a workaround?

Also, what is the point of installing a new/custom radio? I gather it's not required with the one-click method, but I see it mentioned a lot, so I figured it might be important to know....

[Xerxes]

yes, painless is good...by any chance do you or anyone else know if the paid apps on custom firmware work yet? or if there's a workaround?

I can't think of a paid app I'd want. I know most of you want Bloo, but I don't love facebook that much. Not enough friends. lol

If aContacts had cost money, I'd check that out.

[Zagrash]

I can't think of a paid app I'd want. I know most of you want Bloo, but I don't love facebook that much. Not enough friends. lol

If aContacts had cost money, I'd check that out.

I'm not saying there's a ton of stuff I want right now, but if somewhere down the line, something worthwhile became available, I'd want to be able to get it without un-rooting, etc.

[Xerxes]

I'm not saying there's a ton of stuff I want right now, but if somewhere down the line, something worthwhile became available, I'd want to be able to get it without un-rooting, etc.

Ugh I'll try it. Sucks it's not whitelisted.

You owe me .99 cents. It works.

[Zagrash]

Ugh I'll try it. Sucks it's not whitelisted.

You owe me .99 cents. It works.

Did you buy something good at least? =) If you don't already have it, PicSay Pro is well worth the $2.82 I spent on it...

edit. I assume you bought Bloo...At least it's down from $1.49?

[Xerxes]

Did you buy something good at least? =) If you don't already have it, PicSay Pro is well worth the $2.82 I spent on it...

edit. I assume you bought Bloo...At least it's down from $1.49?

Yeah. It's stupid. I don't even know how to activate this fucking program. I'm Hulking out over the lack of instructions. I paid .99 cent for a fucking puzzle?

[Xerxes]

Figured out Bloo not bad I guess. I also found a Class 6 8GB laying around. Yes, that's how I live. I'm going partion it and stuff. Suppose I have to re download all these apps but that's welcome. My phone is actually slower now but I have more apps and widgets on here than I've ever had.

[Zagrash]

Figured out Bloo not bad I guess. I also found a Class 6 8GB laying around. Yes, that's how I live. I'm going partion it and stuff. Suppose I have to re download all these apps but that's welcome. My phone is actually slower now but I have more apps and widgets on here than I've ever had.

Glad you got it working, I was going to point you towards his blog (http://fbandroid.wordpress.com/) otherwise, he's got instructions on there.

I just ordered an 8 gb class 6 card from Amazon last night for about $20, so I'll probably root and everything this weekend, and then format that as soon as it gets here. I'm thinking a combination of App Manager and aTrackDog would be a great way to keep track of/re-download your apps.

[total]

Well I bit the bullet last night. I rooted my phone, updated my radio and spl, installed Cyanogen's latest stable cupcake build and threw a Hero theme on this bitch. I'd upload some screenshots but I'm not paying $3 for a fucking screenshot app. Needless to say my phone now looks bad ass and runs great. I'm surprised at how quick the phone is now. Anywho, I am glad I did that last night as it doesn't make me want the recently announced N900 (http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/) so damn bad.

[Banacek]

Yeah, there is no way I'm going back. The rooted phone is just so much better.

[Zagrash]

Well I bit the bullet last night. I rooted my phone, updated my radio and spl, installed Cyanogen's latest stable cupcake build and threw a Hero theme on this bitch. I'd upload some screenshots but I'm not paying $3 for a fucking screenshot app. Needless to say my phone now looks bad ass and runs great. I'm surprised at how quick the phone is now. Anywho, I am glad I did that last night as it doesn't make me want the recently announced N900 (http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/) so damn bad.

I'll be following your lead shortly...What is the benefit of installing a new radio?

[total]

I'll be following your lead shortly...What is the benefit of installing a new radio?

It is a prerequisite of installing a new SPL which can apparently free up some space on some phones. ::shrugs:: I just did as the guide suggested.

[Zagrash]

It is a prerequisite of installing a new SPL which can apparently free up some space on some phones. ::shrugs:: I just did as the guide suggested.

gotcha...I don't believe the "one-click" hack requires that, but I'll certainly keep my eyes open for any information about it.

[total]

gotcha...I don't believe the "one-click" hack requires that, but I'll certainly keep my eyes open for any information about it.

It does not (if you are talking about the CM Recovery method). I had just read that it could possibly free up some space on your phone (not card) so I did it anyway. It was extremely easy to do.

[rein]

I have a dilemma. I contacted T-Mo and could not get any information on 3G roll out in my area. I know that Little Rock, AR has appeared on the leaked memo for Q3 of this year but the rep had no clue when it might be available and honestly acted as if it wasn't going to be this year. I really really wanted the G1 over the iPhone but AT&T does offer 3G in my area. I think Verizon and Sprint do too. I might go with a Pre if nothing else. So, would it be worth getting the G1 with only GPRS coverage? Honestly, the internet on my HTC is almost to slow to bother using. I hate my life! :)

[Slack3r78]

It is a prerequisite of installing a new SPL which can apparently free up some space on some phones. ::shrugs:: I just did as the guide suggested.

There's some space partitioned off for caching OTA updates from T-Mo. The SPL hacks allow that space to be allocated to other things since you won't be using OTA updates with a third party ROM anyway.

Cyanogen doesn't require it for his ROM, but other larger ROMs (like the Hero builds for G1) need the extra space and do.

[Xerxes]

There's some space partitioned off for caching OTA updates from T-Mo. The SPL hacks allow that space to be allocated to other things since you won't be using OTA updates with a third party ROM anyway.

Cyanogen doesn't require it for his ROM, but other larger ROMs (like the Hero builds for G1) need the extra space and do.

So I can't put a Hero theme on my phone?! If I can, where is that at?

[Deadend]

Yay, went out and got my G1.

Except it says it's running version 1.1 still on firmware and that there are no updates. It also states I have no phone number.. even though I can make outgoing calls. Everything else works.

So uhh, anyone got a recommended place to start? As I'd like to get twitter, facebook, and anything else handy up and running, or root it and whatnot. It's a hot little phone.

[Deadend]

Well, it refuses it update to the current version, claiming to be up to date, I can't do the backup and flashing for rooting it like earlier in the thread (says FAIL no matter what). I am starting to get pissed at T-mobile and the internet at large. As I can't find anyone else who has a phone that when told to check for updates comes back with a statement that it's up-to-date.

Ha, I had to manually upgrade to 1.5 to be able to use the exploit to do the 1 click thing. Doing it right now.

[Xerxes]

Well, it refuses it update to the current version, claiming to be up to date, I can't do the backup and flashing for rooting it like earlier in the thread (says FAIL no matter what). I am starting to get pissed at T-mobile and the internet at large. As I can't find anyone else who has a phone that when told to check for updates comes back with a statement that it's up-to-date.

Ha, I had to manually upgrade to 1.5 to be able to use the exploit to do the 1 click thing. Doing it right now.

I love how you said "fuck keeping it normal, I'm rooting this bitch day one" while Zagrash and I took about a week thinking about it. :D

[Slack3r78]

Well, it refuses it update to the current version, claiming to be up to date, I can't do the backup and flashing for rooting it like earlier in the thread (says FAIL no matter what). I am starting to get pissed at T-mobile and the internet at large. As I can't find anyone else who has a phone that when told to check for updates comes back with a statement that it's up-to-date.

Ha, I had to manually upgrade to 1.5 to be able to use the exploit to do the 1 click thing. Doing it right now.

T-Mo pushes out official OTA updates literally at random. The initial 1.5 rollout took about a month, and new phones that don't already have 1.5 on them generally take several hours to pick up the update.

[Zagrash]

I love how you said "fuck keeping it normal, I'm rooting this bitch day one" while Zagrash and I took about a week thinking about it. :D

ha, yeah...I still haven't actually done it, but plan to tonight after my phone has charged a bit, woo!

[Slack3r78]

Twidroid Pro finally hit the market today. Adds multiple account support, theming, video uploads, bit.ly support, and a few other things. Roughly $5 for those of you that might be interested.

There's also a newish free Twitter app called Swift out that's fairly nice. It's pretty minimalist, lacking in a few areas, but if you want a change of pace from Twidroid, it's the only other worthwhile Twitter client for Android I've seen so far.

EDIT:

For the record, I just purchased Twidroid Pro, and I'm running CM4.0.3.

[Zagrash]

Twidroid Pro finally hit the market today. Adds multiple account support, theming, video uploads, bit.ly support, and a few other things. Roughly $5 for those of you that might be interested.

There's also a newish free Twitter app called Swift out that's fairly nice. It's pretty minimalist, lacking in a few areas, but if you want a change of pace from Twidroid, it's the only other worthwhile Twitter client for Android I've seen so far.

EDIT:

For the record, I just purchased Twidroid Pro, and I'm running CM4.0.3.

I read about that earlier, and Twidroid Pro doesn't really offer anything I could say that I NEED from Twitter, I'm just not that stuck on it yet. I've admittedly been using it a lot more now that I can easily pay attention to it on my phone, but I only have one account, don't particularly care about themes, and don't upload videos at the moment.

I'm glad to hear that app purchasing works on custom firmware, I should be running Cyanogen hopefully within an hour or so.

[Slack3r78]

I read about that earlier, and Twidroid Pro doesn't really offer anything I could say that I NEED from Twitter, I'm just not that stuck on it yet. I've admittedly been using it a lot more now that I can easily pay attention to it on my phone, but I only have one account, don't particularly care about themes, and don't upload videos at the moment.
Yeah, I'm not sure how much I'll really use the extra features other than bit.ly, but I've been using Twidroid since it launched (before the Android Market launched, even, IIRC!) so I wanted to pick it up as a way of supporting the devs.

Also, for the record, don't expect much from the theming support. It changes the color of the text and your reply buttons at this point. Most of the UI seems unaffected.

EDIT:

It looks like themes actually do affect the whole UI, the app has to be restarted for the changes to show up, though.

[Zagrash]

Yeah, I'm not sure how much I'll really use the extra features other than bit.ly, but I've been using Twidroid since it launched (before the Android Market launched, even, IIRC!) so I wanted to pick it up as a way of supporting the devs.


I can applaud that. I just need Xerxes to author and publish an app that costs a dollar so I can buy it in order to pay him back for experimenting with Bloo =)

[Xerxes]

I never got into the whole Twitter thing, not sure if I'll ever understand it. Is there a solid media player? I planned on putting a few cds on my sd card here. My Ipod is always in my car so I figured I save a few bucks and just use my phone. I guess the generic one works.

I just helped my friend put Cyanogen on his G1 today. But he did all the radio and spl updates. Too badass for my blood. I also got a chance to see the CM Updater in action. That was a treat. I think he updates like every month. That's badass.

[Zagrash]

I never got into the whole Twitter thing, not sure if I'll ever understand it. Is there a solid media player? I planned on putting a few cds on my sd card here. My Ipod is always in my car so I figured I save a few bucks and just use my phone. I guess the generic one works.

I just helped my friend put Cyanogen on his G1 today. But he did all the radio and spl updates. Too badass for my blood. I also got a chance to see the CM Updater in action. That was a treat. I think he updates like every month. That's badass.

If nothing else, a nice thing about Twitter is you can follow Cyanogen, and he'll post any updates, fixes, etc. I'm gearing up to put his mod on my phone now.

[Slack3r78]

I just helped my friend put Cyanogen on his G1 today. But he did all the radio and spl updates. Too badass for my blood. I also got a chance to see the CM Updater in action. That was a treat. I think he updates like every month. That's badass.

If you run experimental, it's not unusual for him to push 3-5 updates a week. Stable usually gets bug fixes every couple of weeks.

[Zagrash]

Apparently the .zip I downloaded got corrupted somehow between downloading and transferring, so I started to install the new rom only for it to tell me that it was corrupted. Glad I did the Nandroid backup ahead of time, so I'm at least back to where I WAS (also nice to know it's that easy to un-do all of this). Now i'm downloading the rom straight from the phone, and we'll try this again...whoopee!

[Xerxes]

If nothing else, a nice thing about Twitter is you can follow Cyanogen, and he'll post any updates, fixes, etc. I'm gearing up to put his mod on my phone now.

I've been trying to convince myself, it's a RSS feed for people. But sometimes you just see a bunch of bullshit back in forth with people. I mean I just want to know what's up Cyanogen. Hey Neil Gaimen, what are you working on. Not, I "Just got cut by a blue van, WTF." Sometimes it's like are these people serious. :confused:

[Zagrash]

I've been trying to convince myself, it's a RSS feed for people. But sometimes you just see a bunch of bullshit back in forth with people. I mean I just want to know what's up Cyanogen. Hey Neil Gaimen, what are you working on. Not, I "Just got cut by a blue van, WTF." Sometimes it's like are these people serious. :confused:

that's really about it...I honestly only follow a handfull of people from CoG that posted in the twitter thread, a few friends that never update, Cyanogen, Androidandme, and best buy reward zone gamers club. Now that I can easily pay attention to Twitter on my phone, it makes a lot more sense than when I was checking it online.

On another note, AppManager has made reinstalling all of my apps completely painless so far, woo!

[Xerxes]

I follow a few people through RSS. I'm about 1500 stories behind though. O_O

Update: Fudge twitter for now. I can make a twitter post a RSS. ^_^
I was thinking about how I would use. But then again I wouldn't want my inner monologue, or what I'm actually doing to be out there as such.

[Zagrash]

Anybody having issues with the screen re-orienting itself when you open/close the screen? After I open the screen, the orientation stays in "open" or landscape mode, even when it's held upright.

[Xerxes]

Anybody having issues with the screen re-orienting itself when you open/close the screen? After I open the screen, the orientation stays in "open" or landscape mode, even when it's held upright.

Nope. But I updated today so I don't know if that was a fix in 4.03 cause I don't remember 4.02 anymore. <shrug>

[Zagrash]

Nope. But I updated today so I don't know if that was a fix in 4.03 cause I don't remember 4.02 anymore. <shrug>

It doesn't seem like the accelerometer is working at all....I don't think it was a problem until I updated to 4.04...I think I'm going to go back to 4.02, or 4.03.1

[Xerxes]

lmao... There's a 4.04?

[Zagrash]

lmao... There's a 4.04?

yeah, but it seems to turn off your accelerometer...I just flashed back to 4.3.1

edit: and that seems to have solved the problem. I'll stick with 4.3.1 for now

[Slack3r78]

Downloading 4.0.4 now. I honestly kinda hate accelerometer based reorientation, so I keep it turned off, but I'll play with it when I get it flashed.

And yeah, 4.0.4 pushed out tonight. I told you monthly updates are WAY slow by Cyanogen's standards. ;)

[Xerxes]

Downloading 4.0.4 now. I honestly kinda hate accelerometer based reorientation, so I keep it turned off, but I'll play with it when I get it flashed.

And yeah, 4.0.4 pushed out tonight. I told you monthly updates are WAY slow by Cyanogen's standards. ;)

The notifier didn't notify me. I had to click the check for updates button. It only notified me of 4.0.3.1. Updating now as well. I do like the accelerometer. But I would want it without the pause really. The pause annoys me.

[Slack3r78]

The notifier didn't notify me. I had to click the check for updates button. It only notified me of 4.0.3.1.

The updater only checks once a day by default, I believe.

Also, accelorometer works with the KB closed on my phone, but not with it open. I believe this is by design.

[Xerxes]

The updater only checks once a day by default, I believe.

Also, accelorometer works with the KB closed on my phone, but not with it open. I believe this is by design.

Wow... Three updates in one day? That's crazy.

I'm fine with the design. Does ipods pause when being rotated.

[Slack3r78]

Wow... Three updates in one day? That's crazy.
It's not unusual for him to push a release, get bug reports on XDA, and then immediately issue another update fixing them.

[Zagrash]

The updater only checks once a day by default, I believe.

Also, accelorometer works with the KB closed on my phone, but not with it open. I believe this is by design.

My problem was that the screen wouldn't re-orient when I closed the keyboard. I'd have to hit the power button to put the screen to sleep, and then menu to turn it back on. Going back to 4.3.1 has fixed that for me.

[Xerxes]

My problem was that the screen wouldn't re-orient when I closed the keyboard. I'd have to hit the power button to put the screen to sleep, and then menu to turn it back on. Going back to 4.3.1 has fixed that for me.

I don't have that issue. O_o
I would say go post it on xda.

[Zagrash]

Anybody using Apps2SD, how much space did you format on your card for apps? The guide I was reading suggested using about 512 MB...I just got my Class 6 card in the mail today, so I'll probably be messing with that over the next few days, and just wanted to see what everybody around here was using.

[Deadend]

I haven't tried Apps2SD my self yet.

Dumb question, but if I use CM Updater to get to latest stable.. does that mean having to reinstall all apps again?

[Xerxes]

I haven't tried Apps2SD my self yet.

Dumb question, but if I use CM Updater to get to latest stable.. does that mean having to reinstall all apps again?

Nope. I thought all apps moved over automatically once you put in a correctly formatted sd card?

[NoName]

My problem was that the screen wouldn't re-orient when I closed the keyboard. I'd have to hit the power button to put the screen to sleep, and then menu to turn it back on. Going back to 4.3.1 has fixed that for me.

I was going to post the answer from the FAQ, but XDA isn't loading for me right now. There are some files you can delete to fix the issue.

Reloading the mod works too. I have the latest release and the re-orient is working fine (though I had the same issue you did during the last stable release).

Anybody using Apps2SD, how much space did you format on your card for apps? The guide I was reading suggested using about 512 MB...I just got my Class 6 card in the mail today, so I'll probably be messing with that over the next few days, and just wanted to see what everybody around here was using.

Yea, that's how large I have my partition. If you make it too big (over a gig?) it'll mess things up. I've used less than 100 MB with all the apps I have, so half a gig is more than plenty.

[Xerxes]

I figured out how to stop that gray pause screen when the accelerometer kicks in. Looks funky but I like it.

[Voodoo]

Finally the official Facebook app for Android is out. It is named "Facebook for Android" when you do your search.

[Zagrash]

Finally the official Facebook app for Android is out. It is named "Facebook for Android" when you do your search.

Rumors (http://phandroid.com/2009/09/08/facebook-for-android-launches/)abound that it's not an "Official" Facebook app, but I've seen arguments going both ways...Several comments here (http://androidcommunity.com/facebook-for-android-hits-market-20090908/) claim it's validity.

I downloaded it, but haven't had too much chance to mess with it yet. The widget IS colossal though.

[Voodoo]

Rumors (http://phandroid.com/2009/09/08/facebook-for-android-launches/)abound that it's not an "Official" Facebook app, but I've seen arguments going both ways...Several comments here (http://androidcommunity.com/facebook-for-android-hits-market-20090908/) claim it's validity.

I downloaded it, but haven't had too much chance to mess with it yet. The widget IS colossal though.
Damn it! Well, it seems to work well enough anyways. The phone book widget is really nice to have.

[Zagrash]

Damn it! Well, it seems to work well enough anyways. The phone book widget is really nice to have.

I've seen enough to believe that is is an official app, just not "officially" developed by FB. Apparently both the iPhone and Blackberry apps have similar stories. Who knows, who cares? It works well enough, and hopefully they'll keep developing to make it better!

[Slack3r78]

Cyanogen just pushed out 4.1.6, which includes the new BFS kernel scheduler.

Ho. Lee. Fuck. This is fast.

I mean, like, another fucking phone fast. Con Kolivas fucking nailed scheduling for low power devices with this patch set.

[Xerxes]

Cyanogen just pushed out 4.1.6, which includes the new BFS kernel scheduler.

Ho. Lee. Fuck. This is fast.

I mean, like, another fucking phone fast. Con Kolivas fucking nailed scheduling for low power devices with this patch set.

BFS kernel scheduler?

Plus it's not a stable build last I checked.

[Banacek]

Can I update Cyanogen right from the interface?

[Slack3r78]

Can I update Cyanogen right from the interface?

Install Cyanogen Updater from the market. 4.1.6 is an experimental build, so the updater won't display it by default; you have to explicitly turn on experimental builds in the settings menu.

Also, there are a couple of things that are completely broken in experimental right now, like the camcorder, so it's not all rainbows and sunshine. It's called experimental for a reason, after all.

That said, I like living dangerously.

[Banacek]

Nice, thanks. Going to download that now.

[Zagrash]

Install Cyanogen Updater from the market. 4.1.6 is an experimental build, so the updater won't display it by default; you have to explicitly turn on experimental builds in the settings menu.

Also, there are a couple of things that are completely broken in experimental right now, like the camcorder, so it's not all rainbows and sunshine. It's called experimental for a reason, after all.

That said, I like living dangerously.

I do want to wait for a stable build, but from everything I've heard (from you included) BFS will be fantastic...

I think my favorite quote was RT by Cyanogen last night - "@RyeBrye bfs seems like it is like a penis enlargement pill for android, only it actually works and has nothing to do with a penis."

and HERE (http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt) is a description of BFS, for those interested.

[Xerxes]

I don't like being a guinea pig but after all the hype, had to jump. I like it so far.

[Deadend]

Dumb question.. where do I find the sexy themes for Android? Also is there a way to move wifi on/off to a quicker menu? say the frontscreen sort of thing?

[Urizen]

Hmm...here I was blissfully enjoying xROM and now I see everyone and their uncle is on Cyano's ROM. I am intrigued by this updater thingy...and while xROM is no slouch for me, mention of another ROM dancing like greased lightning is boner-inducing.

Off to XDA.

[Slack3r78]

Dumb question.. where do I find the sexy themes for Android? Also is there a way to move wifi on/off to a quicker menu? say the frontscreen sort of thing?

If you're running a Cyanogen mod, Donut has a power control widget that can do that. Controls wifi, bluetooth, screenbrightness, etc.

[Xerxes]

At first I didn't see this BFS quickness but after using my phone a bit, I do feel a little added pep.

[Xerxes]

Pandora is now available. (http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.pandora.android)

I'm not sure if I want to rejoice after the stunts they are pulling on there website. They ad you down and apparently you still need to subscribe. :/

[Zagrash]

Pandora is now available. (http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.pandora.android)

I'm not sure if I want to rejoice after the stunts they are pulling on there website. They ad you down and apparently you still need to subscribe. :/

I downloaded it and I guess subscribed...at least I signed up for an account. Granted I haven't messed with it much, but I haven't seen any ads yet.

[Xerxes]

I downloaded it and I guess subscribed...at least I signed up for an account. Granted I haven't messed with it much, but I haven't seen any ads yet.

:D I was referring to desktop pandora.com. I do need to give the app a spin.

[Slack3r78]

Awesome. Pandora's one of the apps I've really been waiting for. Between that and BFS, this has been an awesome couple of days for Android.

[Zagrash]

:D I was referring to desktop pandora.com. I do need to give the app a spin.

I've also only had it running for a grand total of about 2 minutes (including signing up) so they may not have had a chance to throw their load of ads at me, who knows?

[Xerxes]

I love some pandora. I need that fucking adapter. I'll e glad my next phone has a 3.5mm port.

[Slack3r78]

I let Pandora play for a while today during a lull at work. Didn't hear any ads.

[Xerxes]

I let Pandora play for a while today during a lull at work. Didn't hear any ads.

I was letting it play at work as well. No this is almost to good to be true. I guess they have to be competitive against imeem who has been on the phone day one.

I haven't pressed my luck with the skip button. I wonder is there a cut off number like the website? :confused:

[Xerxes]

First a almost official Facebook app, and now Pandora. And BFS. Good week in Android history and it's not even over yet. I wish people would stop making Iphone only apps though.

[Zrikz]

Anyone happen to know anything about the Motorola Calgary that is supposed to go to Verizon sometime in October... or so I've heard? I wants me an Android phone.

[Zagrash]

I get the feeling we're about to see a HUGE rise in the number of Android handsets out there.... (http://phandroid.com/2009/09/09/99-mytouch-with-oprahs/)Everything Oprah touches...etc.

[Xerxes]

I get the feeling we're about to see a HUGE rise in the number of Android handsets out there.... (http://phandroid.com/2009/09/09/99-mytouch-with-oprahs/)Everything Oprah touches...etc.

Ugh... Moms running around with smartphones. Needing help. :(

[Xerxes]

Motorola Cliq coming to Tmobile by the fourth quarter, or in time for the holidays.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/09/9-10-09motorblur2.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/09/9-10-09cliqbig.jpg

It'll come in two colors, Winter White and Titanium, and have 3G, WiFi, and a five megapixel camera that'll also shoots 24fps video.

DISPLAY: 320 x 480 pixels, 187 PPI; 3.1 inch HVGA screen

[Banacek]

I listened to the Motown channel on Pandora on my drive to work today. I love this phone.

[total]

The BFS scheduler absolutely smokes. This is now the fastest and most functional phone I have owned. Power Manager crashes on me, but I think this has more to do with the app not being donut ready than anything else. The camcorder doesn't work but I never used it anywho so no biggie. Man, I went from a Hero build to the newest experimental Cyan mod and it is two different worlds.

[Zagrash]

Motorola Cliq coming to Tmobile by the fourth quarter, or in time for the holidays.

DISPLAY: 320 x 480 pixels, 187 PPI; 3.1 inch HVGA screen

I don't remember where I read it, but i could have sworn it was lamenting that this phone didn't have WiFi...I can't imagine that they'd leave it out in this day and age, but that would certainly make the phone a LOT less desirable. That being said, I haven't watched any videos of the MOTOBLUR yet, but the screenshots just make the homescreen look cluttered.

Edit: nevermind, if Gizmodo would have read the press release they had pasted in their story, they would have noticed it says WiFi is included, and not had to lament it's exclusion.

[Xerxes]

http://media.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/t-mobile-roadmap-cliq.jpg

Not loving this. I want that Xperia X3. Damn T-mobile. I was thinking about a Cliq only cause a better battery life actually. The guts are damn near the exact same as a G1. Root it!

[Zagrash]

Quick question - My SIM card seems to have crapped out on me, I've had the same sim for about 7 years now, and the t-mob customer service rep seemed amazed that it had lasted that long. He said they'd definitely give me a new sim card for free if I go into one of the stores...

My question, should I flash back to stock before going in, or should swapping out a sim be pretty cut and dry? (i.e. no "custom firmware" checks)

[Xerxes]

Quick question - My SIM card seems to have crapped out on me, I've had the same sim for about 7 years now, and the t-mob customer service rep seemed amazed that it had lasted that long. He said they'd definitely give me a new sim card for free if I go into one of the stores...

My question, should I flash back to stock before going in, or should swapping out a sim be pretty cut and dry? (i.e. no "custom firmware" checks)

That's so cute. They won't be able to tell afaik. I wouldn't have even though twice. It's not like they are going to stone you out of the store. I think I'm on my original SIM card too. Well they updated the size a while back cause my first one was a dinosaur. But I think it's been about 5 or 6 years now. O_o

Et tu phonee?

[Zrikz]

So a verizon android phone will be released by motorola somewhere around Oct - Nov, press release will be within the next 2 weeks. Yay =/

[Zagrash]

That's so cute. They won't be able to tell afaik. I wouldn't have even though twice. It's not like they are going to stone you out of the store. I think I'm on my original SIM card too. Well they updated the size a while back cause my first one was a dinosaur. But I think it's been about 5 or 6 years now. O_o

Et tu phonee?

Well, except if they want me to boot the phone, and see their happy little android on a skateboard on the boot screen =) I'm going to call and see if I can just run in and pick one up, I have a great excuse for being hurried and short on time this weekend.

And the guy from their customer service department last night told me that my sim is probably at least 7 years old...woo

[Voodoo]

Well, except if they want me to boot the phone, and see their happy little android on a skateboard on the boot screen =) I'm going to call and see if I can just run in and pick one up, I have a great excuse for being hurried and short on time this weekend.

And the guy from their customer service department last night told me that my sim is probably at least 7 years old...woo
I've gone to the store with just my SIM card - no problem. I made the mistake once of taking my jailbroken iPhone into T-Mobile and had to answer a bunch of customer questions... yeah...

[total]

I've gone to the store with just my SIM card - no problem. I made the mistake once of taking my jailbroken iPhone into T-Mobile and had to answer a bunch of customer questions... yeah...

Who is this Voodoo person? Also, just take your sim in and say it's fucked up. They have readers in the stores that might be able to copy your contacts over if you're lucky. If not you can just get a new sim and be fine.

[Zagrash]

Who is this Voodoo person? Also, just take your sim in and say it's fucked up. They have readers in the stores that might be able to copy your contacts over if you're lucky. If not you can just get a new sim and be fine.

eh, I flashed back just to be safe...I figure I can easily jump back once I get a new sim...Vanilla Android is soooo boring now =)

edit: And contacts are synced through Gmail anyway, they shouldn't need to copy anything I wouldn't think...

[Xerxes]

I've gone to the store with just my SIM card - no problem. I made the mistake once of taking my jailbroken iPhone into T-Mobile and had to answer a bunch of customer questions... yeah...

What kind of questions would you need from them? Don't talk about my pone Tmobile, talk about your service. :p

[Voodoo]

What kind of questions would you need from them? Don't talk about my pone Tmobile, talk about your service. :p
From them? Not a bit, just had to have my card changed. They noticed that I took it out of an iPhone and so did some customers near me. The questions (to me) then progressed quite logarithmically.

[Xerxes]

OoooooOOOoH. The customers had questions for you. I can see that.

[PathMaster]

From them? Not a bit, just had to have my card changed. They noticed that I took it out of an iPhone and so did some customers near me. The questions (to me) then progressed quite logarithmically.

Interesting use of that word. And I fully understand where you are coming from. It can get awkward as the employees stare at you as you answer questions about their products. Even better when you know more then they do. :p

[Voodoo]

Can get awkward as the employees stare at you answering question about their products. Even better when you know more then they do. :p
I actually didn't answer any questions about their products. They had seen that I took a T-Mobile card out of an iPhone. The questions were all about how I was with T-Mobile but had an iPhone. After a few minutes, I was asked to take it (Q&A Session) out of the store. :D

[PathMaster]

I actually didn't answer any questions about their products. They had seen that I took a T-Mobile card out of an iPhone. The questions were all about how I was with T-Mobile but had an iPhone. After a few minutes, I was asked to take it (Q&A Session) out of the store. :D

Ah, very nice.

[Zagrash]

I finally got around to getting apps2SD set up, and I noticed that I still have about 12 MB sitting on my system memory. Could those be protected apps, or is that just standard OS stuff?

[crazyD]

Just got 3G service in my area! Wooo!

[Zagrash]

Uh oh.....Cyanogen Mod in trouble? (http://androidandme.com/2009/09/hacks/cyanogenmod-in-trouble/)

[Xerxes]

I'm gawd that sucks. But maybe he's right.

The problem is that we don't have any suitable replacements for much of the closed-source portions. Maybe that's the project we need.
Although not sure how you can make apps for this shit. A solid omni chat program would be a beast. And how the fuck is market not a part of the android system.

maps, market, talk, gmail, youtube

What gets my goat, is it's like jealousy. He's doing a better job than you and instead of trying to get BFS in your own vanilla rom you want to knock him down a peg.

[Deimos]

I can't help but feel this is my fault. I've had a G1 since launch and have held off of rooting it thus far. Today I finally ordered my new SD card and downloaded all the tools I'll need, plus Cyanogen's latest Stable and Experimental roms.
Do I just have bad timing or did I curse this project?

[Zagrash]

It just keeps getting weirder and weirder, but it seems as though CyanogenMod in it's current form is probably done...

Link from Androidandme.com (http://androidandme.com/2009/09/news/google-responds-to-cyanogenmod-controversy/)

[Xerxes]

Wow... I almost feel like I just found out my hero is a huge douche. And I have to throw away all my fanboy shit. :/

Soooo HTC Leo you say?

[Zagrash]

Wow... I almost feel like I just found out my hero is a huge douche. And I have to throw away all my fanboy shit. :/

Soooo HTC Leo you say?

ugh, I still don't think I could bring myself to go to WinMo...I'd probably go back to Blackberry before that...

[Slack3r78]

It just keeps getting weirder and weirder, but it seems as though CyanogenMod in it's current form is probably done...

Link from Androidandme.com (http://androidandme.com/2009/09/news/google-responds-to-cyanogenmod-controversy/)

Not just cyanogen, ALL enthusiast Android development. From what Cyanogen's had to say about this so far, it looks like some of this stuff is tied in at a level that it kills basic functionality of the phone if you remove it.

If anybody's interested in trying to help get this a bit more attention, I submitted a link over at reddit that could use some upvotes...

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/9o6ib/do_no_evil_googles_legal_department_cripples/

[Slack3r78]

More coverage from Phandroid:

http://phandroid.com/2009/09/25/eff-google-screw-android-the-backlash-begins/

[Xerxes]

ugh, I still don't think I could bring myself to go to WinMo...I'd probably go back to Blackberry before that...

I liked my Tmobile wing well enough. Blackberry though was the devil. Hated the UI so fucking much. I only grinned and took that ass rape cause it was a "Blackberry." I thought I was so hip. bleh

[Xerxes]

Starting Monday, I'm using Bing. I have to wait to find a new phone though. It might be even more neutered, but this is about the principle of Open Source. Those apps should be in the store if you can't get them any place. But then they want to take that away.

[rifter]

I liked my Tmobile wing well enough. Blackberry though was the devil. Hated the UI so fucking much. I only grinned and took that ass rape cause it was a "Blackberry." I thought I was so hip. bleh

I liked my wing well enough, too... for an old, shitty, screwed up hardware platform. The first DECENT smartphone (non-Blackberry) on Tmobile, after the wing was the Android G1. Hell, the wing was already showing its teeth, when Tmobile picked it up!

[Deadend]

Wait.. so Google is angry that Cynogen is giving out their apps, which I think every one of them is free and comes with every Android phone.. right? So who the hell is getting apps who isn't allowed to get apps via Cynogen mod?

[Deimos]

Wait.. so Google is angry that Cynogen is giving out their apps, which I think every one of them is free and comes with every Android phone.. right? So who the hell is getting apps who isn't allowed to get apps via Cynogen mod?

It's not as simple as all that. Not every Android phone comes with all of Google's apps. Carriers such as T-mobile pay Google to sell phones with "the Google experience". Now it is true that so far Cyanogen's mod only applies to phones that already have Google's apps on them but the fact of the matter is Cyanogen has been distributing code for which he does not have a license to do so. It sucks but that's how things are.
Cyanogen says he's working on a solution though so there's no reason to be super-upset yet. I think we'll see how deep this goes over the next couple of weeks.

[Xerxes]

It's not as simple as all that. Not every Android phone comes with all of Google's apps. Carriers such as T-mobile pay Google to sell phones with "the Google experience". Now it is true that so far Cyanogen's mod only applies to phones that already have Google's apps on them but the fact of the matter is Cyanogen has been distributing code for which he does not have a license to do so. It sucks but that's how things are.
Cyanogen says he's working on a solution though so there's no reason to be super-upset yet. I think we'll see how deep this goes over the next couple of weeks.

It's all bullshit. I mean I guess I don't really use maps or youtube, but what kinda of great apps can they make that didn't already exist.

[Pigeon]

It's finally time for a phone upgrade, is the G1 still worth it? I do like a hardware keyboard over a soft. I'm going to be sticking with T-Mo

[Xerxes]

It's finally time for a phone upgrade, is the G1 still worth it? I do like a hardware keyboard over a soft. I'm going to be sticking with T-Mo

If you want a phone like the G1, I'd just wait until the CLIQ. New stuff will coming out in the coming months, but who knows what.

[Slack3r78]

It's finally time for a phone upgrade, is the G1 still worth it? I do like a hardware keyboard over a soft. I'm going to be sticking with T-Mo

I'd be hesitant to go into a new 2 year contract on a G1 right now. I wouldn't pay more than $100 for one. Good phones, but there's better coming.

[Deadend]

I'd be hesitant to go into a new 2 year contract on a G1 right now. I wouldn't pay more than $100 for one. Good phones, but there's better coming.

Even though I just did that.. well, it was under $100.
Don't forget the $35 activation fee.

Main thing I don't like about the G1 is that it's a bit slower than it should be, at least for hardware. Software-wise, it needs an easy way to close apps that lack an exit button.

I also wish I could change the trackball to being a cursor and able to highlight and copy-paste.

I see what the thing is about the Cynogen Mod hurrah. So I am guessing that there will simply be an app called "backup/restore" added to the CM updater, that will save what apps you have to the SD card, then restore them to the internal memory. Or is it more legally complicated than that?

[Pigeon]

I forgot to mention a primary problem with waiting is last week I managed to crack the screen of my old phone. I can only see the top 1/5 or so of it

[Slack3r78]

I forgot to mention a primary problem with waiting is last week I managed to crack the screen of my old phone. I can only see the top 1/5 or so of it

Ouch. I'd say if there was ANY way you could hold out about a month, the Moto CLIQ is looking better and better the more I look at it. It hits the streets Nov 2 with preorders Oct 19. Android with a physical QWERTY keyboard, and it doesn't have internal capacity problems the G1 does, meaning it'll probably be a longer lived phone OS wise.

[OldeWolf]

Ouch. I'd say if there was ANY way you could hold out about a month, the Moto CLIQ is looking better and better the more I look at it. It hits the streets Nov 2 with preorders Oct 19. Android with a physical QWERTY keyboard, and it doesn't have internal capacity problems the G1 does, meaning it'll probably be a longer lived phone OS wise.

I tried to find a keyboard on CLIQ but tmobile website doesn't even mention how they will let us type things out via hard keys or touch screen.

Edit: Ah never mind, found it on Motorola website. It's a hard keyed keyboard. Very nice.

[Zagrash]

For those of you that aren't following Cyanogen on Twitter, or haven't been keeping up with his updates on the website (http://www.cyanogenmod.com), Cyanogen is getting close to releasing a new version of his mod, which I'm assuming conforms to Google's demands and whatnot.

Here's updated instructions, and how to get everything set up...I'll probably try this out tomorrow after work (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567610)

[Slack3r78]

It's out. It works. Not much to say beyond that.

Well, that and it's gotten me into "let's see how I can break my phone" mode again. The really awesome Blur theme I had found a few days ago doesn't work with this. I've flashed Amon_RA's recovery image. Repartitioned my SD card again because that makes it easy (I had a smaller swap partition than many ROMs recommend before). Blah blah blah.

I'm having geeky fun, anyway.

[Voodoo]

I rolled back to Cyanogen 4.0.4. I tried out the latest one but is ended up being far too wonky. So far, 4.0.4 seems extremely fast and stable. Sure is nice having a fast touch keyboard now and better power handling. :)

[Slack3r78]

I rolled back to Cyanogen 4.0.4. I tried out the latest one but is ended up being far too wonky. So far, 4.0.4 seems extremely fast and stable. Sure is nice having a fast touch keyboard now and better power handling. :)

CM's supposed to be pushing a new build out tonight. 4.0.4 was before he included BFS, so newer builds should be substantially more responsive.

Also, Drizzy is supposed to be pushing out a port of the Moto CLIQ's ROM later tonight, should be good stuff.

Stericson already released the APK for Motorola phone tools, which is a super cool little app. It basically starts a webserver on your phone that you can access from a PC to manage settings, transfer photos, etc.

http://relentlessaddictions.com/android/node/4

[Zagrash]

It's out. It works. Not much to say beyond that.

Well, that and it's gotten me into "let's see how I can break my phone" mode again. The really awesome Blur theme I had found a few days ago doesn't work with this. I've flashed Amon_RA's recovery image. Repartitioned my SD card again because that makes it easy (I had a smaller swap partition than many ROMs recommend before). Blah blah blah.

I'm having geeky fun, anyway.

This is probably a stupid question, but I'm not quite as adept at messing with my phone as you are...

Cyanogen said on his Twitter that CMod would probably be less popular now because it's harder to install...I got the feeling from reading the instructions that really the only change is you have to flash the official donut build before flashing the new rom, am I missing something, or is that about it?

[Slack3r78]

This is probably a stupid question, but I'm not quite as adept at messing with my phone as you are...

Cyanogen said on his Twitter that CMod would probably be less popular now because it's harder to install...I got the feeling from reading the instructions that really the only change is you have to flash the official donut build before flashing the new rom, am I missing something, or is that about it?

That's really all there is to it. You flash the HTC ADP1 ROM, then flash Cyanogen's ROM which backs up and reinstalls the proprietary apps via its installer script. Basically, Cyanogen suspects people are lazy and he's probably right.


On another note, Motorola had a developer event today. Somebody had a G1 with the CLIQ MotoBLUR ROM installed, and it seems Moto is not happy about this. Oh, the drama. :)

[Zagrash]

That's really all there is to it. You flash the HTC ADP1 ROM, then flash Cyanogen's ROM which backs up and reinstalls the proprietary apps via its installer script. Basically, Cyanogen suspects people are lazy and he's probably right.

awesome, so Nandroid, wipe, flash ADP1, flash CM, rinse, repeat...I may just do that tonight

[Xerxes]

On another note, Motorola had a developer event today. Somebody had a G1 with the CLIQ MotoBLUR ROM installed, and it seems Moto is not happy about this. Oh, the drama. :)

That was such a gimme. That's just going to make it harder for another Rom maker.

[Voodoo]

That was such a gimme. That's just going to make it harder for another Rom maker.

Well... Considering the amount of talent some of these guys have, I don't doubt their eventual response will be an open source version. :) And that is why I love Android.

[Zagrash]

Well... Considering the amount of talent some of these guys have, I don't doubt their eventual response will be an open source version. :) And that is why I love Android.

Androidandme was at the Motodev thing today, and this quote in particular leads me to believe that they don't mind the mods/etc. too much...

"Sanjay Jha opens the event with a quick speech about Motorola’s Android push. His best quote was, “You guys (devs) do some crazy ass things…and that’s what we want.”

Granted, that COULD be more involving apps and whatnot, but I like to think it bodes well for modding/etc.

[PathMaster]

Android and Google Voice coming to Verizon (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/10/robot-invasion-android-and-google-voice-coming-to-verizon.ars):

The Motorola Sholes, also known as Tao, is one of the first Android devices with compelling hardware specs. Rumors indicate that it will include an OMAP 3430 processor and a WVGA display. It is said to be a Google Experience phone and will not have Motorola's custom MotoBlur interface. Verizon says that it will be launching two Android handsets within a matter of weeks. There is some evidence indicating that the second one will be an HTC touchscreen device with HTC's Sense UI.

Any previews? Insider info?

[Xerxes]

Well... Considering the amount of talent some of these guys have, I don't doubt their eventual response will be an open source version. :) And that is why I love Android.

My thing is, should Moto just care that people like there stuff. I mean the leg up it has on the G1 I can see a lot of people switching over when it comes out. Extra memory boost, it's smaller, less fugly, still has a slider.

[Banacek]

Motorola should be happy people are excited to use their phones again. They've fallen far from their StarTAC days.