[HOLY SHIT] New DoW II Trailer

[H.Bogard]

TYRANNY OF THE TYRANIDS, MOTHER FUCKERS!

http://www.shackvideo.com/?id=13534

Click View in HD.

Edit: GT has it up

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New trailer

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[SilentScreams]

Pfft. Eldar will own those Starship Trooper bug bitches. :p

[Squidbot]

Well, I'm moist.

[Purple Santa]

Wow...that was impressive. Now hopefully my inadequate laptop will play that...

Edit: Just read the spec thread...i'm in :)

[ClannerDelta]

Pfft. Eldar will own those Starship Trooper bug bitches. :p

Ahahahahahahahahaha...

hahahahahahaha...

Yeah, Space Elves... Totally gonna rock some faces. Farseer Legolas is so scary. :p

[Hotcod]

Ahahahahahahahahaha...

hahahahahahaha...

Yeah, Space Elves... Totally gonna rock some faces. Farseer Legolas is so scary. :p

Ya, those silly space elfs... they can melt your brain with a thought and have a giant demon god fighting along side there bad ass living constructs powered by there dead. All the while putting holes in you with weapons they understand. I mean it's not like they have in the past derailed entire hive fleets in to heavily defended ork territory killing 2 birds with one stone and mopping up the mess. what is farseer legolas thinking eh? not about seeing the future and manipulating every other race in the galaxy for her own ends with out them even knowing it.

:p

just in case the smiley didn't give it away i know your kidding but i just kicked ass with eldar in soul storm and i'm planing on building up an TT eldar army at somepoint when i have cash to waste... i feel i have to defend there bad assedness againts this slurr that there as weedy and annoying as none space elfs.

[ClannerDelta]

Ya, those silly space elfs... they can melt your brain with a thought and have a giant demon god fighting along side there bad ass living constructs powered by there dead. All the while putting holes in you with weapons they understand. I mean it's not like they have in the past derailed entire hive fleets in to heavily defended ork territory killing 2 birds with one stone and mopping up the mess. what is farseer legolas thinking eh? not about seeing the future and manipulating every other race in the galaxy for her own ends with out them even knowing it.

It's ok, I understand your pride is hurt. :D

Just because they are a dying empire that rely on long dead gods doesn't mean they are useless. I'm finding it hard to think of a use for them other than grease for my Baneblade's tracks... but I'm sure there is something.... somewhere... no really.

[Mastergeo7]

Look at those sweet swarms!

DO WANT

[Blue]

I don't even like RTS games in the slightest bit, but I just peed my chair a little. Wow.

[Lint of Death]

I think I can see now why they didn't think the first game could handle Tyranids properly :D

[Lint of Death]

Could someone explain something to me? I used to play Dungeon Siege a lot. Since then I've heard a lot of the monster sounds effects from that game in numerous other games since, including this one, and WoW and Starcraft 2 IIRC - and even one or two movies! Where are these sound effects coming from?

[Superman's Dead]

My laptop is a year old.

My laptop has a dual core processor.

Can I really (for reals) play this game? On my 1.6 ghz laptop? Just cause of that extra core?

[GigaFuzz]

Could someone explain something to me? I used to play Dungeon Siege a lot. Since then I've heard a lot of the monster sounds effects from that game in numerous other games since, including this one, and WoW and Starcraft 2 IIRC - and even one or two movies! Where are these sound effects coming from?

The sound effects probably come from some kind of stock sound bank. Cuts down on some of the work, but it can be a bit jarring when you hear something you know from one game in another.

My laptop is a year old.

My laptop has a dual core processor.

Can I really (for reals) play this game? On my 1.6 ghz laptop? Just cause of that extra core?

Depends on the graphics chip.

[zarathstra]

I...think I need new pants.

Also, Eldar rock, and anyone who says otherwise is just jealous of our advanced technology and fetching hats.

[Disgustipated]

My laptop is a year old.

My laptop has a dual core processor.

Can I really (for reals) play this game? On my 1.6 ghz laptop? Just cause of that extra core?

No, probably not. Extra core != being able to play a game without having a decent GPU.

[Superman's Dead]

No, probably not. Extra core != being able to play a game without having a decent GPU.

I figured as much, thanks Dis and GigaFuzz.

[Press Ninja]

I...think I need new pants.

Also, Eldar rock, and anyone who says otherwise is just jealous of our advanced technology and fetching hats.

Foul Xenos loving scum! YOU WILL BE PURGED IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR!

[biosc1]

Good video...I did like how Google Chrome didn't like gametrailer's site though :)

More like "Visiting this site may harm your wallet".

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6371/capturerz6.jpg

[CES]

Foul Xenos loving scum! YOU WILL BE PURGED IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR!

Such blind faith you have for a corpse god. Pity you reject the perfection that is Chaos.

Also, really want DOWII. Now.

[SilentScreams]

Eldar have weapons that fill you with monofilament wire then expand it to scramble your insides. How can you not like that?

Side note: DoW 2 really needs to turn the Brightlance into the bad ass weapon it really is, but never was in DoW.

I don't think they will allow the standard Eldar strategy from DoW make in into DoW 2 though, as it was admittedly very cheap. I'm talking about the Dark Reaper spam with FoF micro.

[ClannerDelta]

Side note: DoW 2 really needs to turn the Brightlance into the bad ass weapon it really is, but never was in DoW.

The Brightlance dominated everything for... well launch until Winter Assault. Reapers + Brightlance was pretty much instant win for Eldar against SM/CSM. Warp Spiders + Brightlance was always instant win for Eldar against Orks. Then it still lived on in its very effective counterpart attached to the Wraithlord. That said, they are treating the heavy weapons as weapons teams like Machine Guns, Anti-tank guns, and Mortars in CoH. So they should be really sexy.

I don't think they will allow the standard Eldar strategy from DoW make in into DoW 2 though, as it was admittedly very cheap. I'm talking about the Dark Reaper spam with FoF micro.

FoF was a stupid idea to begin with. Too micro intensive for 95% of the people that played but gave the 5% a huge advantage over every other race. So I definitely agree with you there.

[OrangePulp]

My laptop is a year old.

My laptop has a dual core processor.

Can I really (for reals) play this game? On my 1.6 ghz laptop? Just cause of that extra core?

Just to clarify something: They specify a 3.2ghz (or was it 3.4? whatever) P4, so the 1.6 clock speed might look small. However, a 1.6ghz C2D, even just one core of it, is a lot more than a 1.6ghz P4. You can't compare them evenly, when looking at ghz. So it's not just the extra core that puts you on top of a P4; it's the chip's whole architecture. Quick google search would show one core of a 1.6ghz Core2Duo is about equivalent to a P4 3.2.

And if you already knew all that, well, sorry for the useless post.

Tyranids look hot.

[Wasson_]

looks good. I think I'm going to try to get this right as it comes out.

[CES]

Eldar have weapons that fill you with monofilament wire then expand it to scramble your insides. How can you not like that?


Eh, One single Eldar unit has that ability. Chaos on the other hand can flay a mortal with a glance, break their mind completely or infect them with a wonderful plague that eats away at their flesh, among other things.

Thus, Chaos is best. Followed by Orks, because who doesn't love a race that has a hybrid of a war, mass looting and a pub crawl?

[Panthera]

The Brightlance dominated everything for... well launch until Winter Assault. Reapers + Brightlance was pretty much instant win for Eldar against SM/CSM. Warp Spiders + Brightlance was always instant win for Eldar against Orks. Then it still lived on in its very effective counterpart attached to the Wraithlord. That said, they are treating the heavy weapons as weapons teams like Machine Guns, Anti-tank guns, and Mortars in CoH. So they should be really sexy.



FoF was a stupid idea to begin with. Too micro intensive for 95% of the people that played but gave the 5% a huge advantage over every other race. So I definitely agree with you there.

FoF makes playing against Germans annoying as hell. Points to anyone who knows what I'm talking about.

[MagGnome]

That looks amazing! I bought Dawn of War 1 back when it came out, but I haven't played it in ages. I just picked it up again with all of the expansions on Steam, and now I'm itching to go play it.

I really can't wait for this, SC2 be damned.

[Hotcod]

It's ok, I understand your pride is hurt. :D

Just because they are a dying empire that rely on long dead gods doesn't mean they are useless. I'm finding it hard to think of a use for them other than grease for my Baneblade's tracks... but I'm sure there is something.... somewhere... no really.

oh sorry could you repeat that, i couldn't hear you over the sound of the D cannon ripping open the warp and tearing your quaint tracked tank thingy apart. It's cute you run around in things you copy from your daddies old drawings.

[OUX]

Was it just me or were there no genestealers?

[zarathstra]

oh sorry could you repeat that, i couldn't hear you over the sound of the D cannon ripping open the warp and tearing your quaint tracked tank thingy apart. It's cute you run around in things you copy from your daddies old drawings.

Its not their fault. They just don't know how to have fun. Eldar don't have that problem. One time, we had so much fun it tore a hole in the universe.

[Codicier]

Its not their fault. They just don't know how to have fun. Eldar don't have that problem. One time, we had so much fun it tore a hole in the universe.

Don't forget that we also created Slaanesh at the same time. Eldar know how to party.

[ClannerDelta]

Don't forget that we also created Slaanesh at the same time. Eldar know how to party.

Eldar used to know how to party. Now they are dying because they -refuse- to have sex enough to sustain their population.

[zarathstra]

Eldar used to know how to party. Now they are dying because they -refuse- to have sex enough to sustain their population.

Well, to be fair, I just mentioned what happened last time we had too much sex. Do you want another Eye of Terror?

[Hotcod]

don't waste your breath your talking to a group of people who worship there half dead emperor as a god even if he, when he was alive, forbid it and in fact suppressed any kind of religion at all. There a bit dumb.

[Narradisall]

Your all fools. The Necrons will return and wipe the universe then DOW2 clean of the living races.....

[ShivaX]

don't waste your breath your talking to a group of people who worship there half dead emperor as a god even if he, when he was alive, forbid it and in fact suppressed any kind of religion at all. There a bit dumb.

Yeah well the old Emporer didn't believe that Horus was a bad guy either, so shows how much he knew.

The Eldar are just humans who already failed once. :)

Seriously though, I think I love every faction in the WH40k universe. Probably the least "cool" to me is the Tau. They're neat, but they seem really out of place in such a dark universe. Too naive and optimistic, though I guess thats sort of their story (they were locked away from the realities of what goes on while everyone else was dealing with it). I still like the Tau, they just seem out of place. I forgive them because they have really kickass toys.

[Knightsaber]

They must be cleansed.

[Voodoo]

Your all fools. The Necrons will return and wipe the universe then DOW2 clean of the living races.....
Quite right. Here we are, on the wayz...
http://spaceship.brainiac.com/GamesWork/bfg-necron-fleet.jpeg

[Voodoo]

Seriously though, I think I love every faction in the WH40k universe. Probably the least "cool" to me is the Tau. They're neat, but they seem really out of place in such a dark universe. Too naive and optimistic, though I guess thats sort of their story (they were locked away from the realities of what goes on while everyone else was dealing with it). I still like the Tau, they just seem out of place. I forgive them because they have really kickass toys.
Is it that Tau that grew technologically the fastest of all the races? I can't remember why though, what's their story?

[ShivaX]

Is it that Tau that grew technologically the fastest of all the races? I can't remember why though, what's their story?

They advanced insanely fast. Basically they were discovered with next to no technology and then got locked off by a warp storm. They came back with tech on par with or better than the Imperium.

Here...
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tau
The Tau are a young race of technologically oriented beings from the Eastern Fringe. T'au, the Tau home planet, was discovered in 789.M35 by the Adeptus Mechanicus ship Land's Vision. Adeptus Mechanicus records indicate that at that time the Tau species had mastered the use of simple tools and weapons, as well as fire. Before the planet could be cleansed and colonized by the Imperium however, a violent warp storm erupted around the planet. This continued for 6,000 years, making the Tau's homeworld utterly inaccesible.

It was not until the Damocles Crusade that the Imperium again contacted the Tau. The Imperium found the primitive Tau had advanced considerably. In six thousand years the Tau had advanced from spears and fire to colonizing planets and Pulse Rifles.



The Tau achieve faster than light travel by "diving" into the warp and being subsequently flung out a great distance from where they entered. There are positives and negatives to this method of travel. Because their ships have such minimal contact with the warp and are in a sense just skimming the surface, their travel is relatively safe, but a flaw in this design is that their speed is greatly reduced in comparison to races which immerse themselves fully in the warp.

It is also true that the Tau are a race bereft of psykers. Whether it's due to their limited warp interaction or something distinct about the Tau mind it means that they are unique amongst the dominant races of the galaxy. For while it does mean that the Tau do not possess the significant advantages that having psykers brings, it is also worthy to note that not one Tau has ever fallen to Chaos. In fact, as a species, the Tau register as barely more than a blip in the warp and it may well be that this has been their saving grace, protecting the altruism and idealism their race shares from the destructive tendencies of chaos.



That site is just pure awesome anyway, you can find out all sorts of cool crap about damn near anything.

[Froghourt]

You all know that the Emperor will return, and his glorious armies will burn the wicked!

[Voodoo]

You all know that the Emperor will return, and his glorious armies will burn the wicked!
Except, that thing buried on Mars, isn't that the Void Dragon? You Imperial boys better hope nobody farts loud enough to wake it up.

[Voodoo]

They advanced insanely fast. Basically they were discovered with next to no technology and then got locked off by a warp storm. They came back with tech on par with or better than the Imperium.

Here...
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tau

That site is just pure awesome anyway, you can find out all sorts of cool crap about damn near anything.
Thank you very much. :)

[Ghostbear]

For the Emperor!

[GigaFuzz]

For the Greater WAAAAAAGH!

I played both Tau and Orks in 40k

[ShivaX]

Except, that thing buried on Mars, isn't that the Void Dragon? You Imperial boys better hope nobody farts loud enough to wake it up.

Thats the theory. If some of the mythology around it is right the Emporer already kicked its ass and locked it up down there. Anyway you slice it things seem to indicate that its happy working with the Adeptus Mechanicus (since if it is the Void Dragon, then the Void Dragon is the Machine Spirit). Of course if it did decide to turn on the Imperium... well that would suck a whole bunch since all their vehicles would basically turn on them and try to kill them.

[Nura]

Pfft, comeon! they are totally ripping of Starcraft!

(I cant wait for this to hit the streets, it's going to be sweeeeet! i miss my space marines)

[jpublic]

I hope that what I'm seeing is true and you can zoom out more in Dow2 than in the original.

[ClannerDelta]

Seriously though, I think I love every faction in the WH40k universe. Probably the least "cool" to me is the Tau. They're neat, but they seem really out of place in such a dark universe. Too naive and optimistic, though I guess thats sort of their story (they were locked away from the realities of what goes on while everyone else was dealing with it). I still like the Tau, they just seem out of place. I forgive them because they have really kickass toys.

Most of the Tau stuff is written from their Propagandist stand point. Much like the stuff on the Imperium. They seem really pretty and nice...

Except when you consider they are most likely the puppets of the Deceiver (C'tan) and the Ethereals are all controlling their people through hormones, effectively robbing them of any freewill.

"The Greater Good" and allowing people to join you as slaves or be exterminated isn't very nice. Sure it's better than watching your planet being vortex bombed into oblivion and your race being cleansed from the universe... but it's not THAT much better.

The Tau being seen as the goodguys just shows how GRIMDARK the 40k universe is. I think it was a good addition.

[Rogue_hunter]

I hope that what I'm seeing is true and you can zoom out more in Dow2 than in the original.

Since it's the Essence Engine from Company of Heroes, it has the same level of zoom.

[bryan]

Since it's the Essence Engine from Company of Heroes, it has the same level of zoom.

Just because it's the same engine it doesn't have to have the same level of zoom, does it?

[ShivaX]

Just because it's the same engine it doesn't have to have the same level of zoom, does it?

I guess. You can zoom in really close though.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/01/12/joystiq-hands-on-dawn-of-war-2/

They zoom in on an orc pretty damn close at one point.

[Voodoo]

Since it's the Essence Engine from Company of Heroes, it has the same level of zoom.
Essence Engine v2. ;) CoH is Essence v1. Those new videos are absolutely amazing...

Only One Week Left

[GigaFuzz]

Just because it's the same engine it doesn't have to have the same level of zoom, does it?

No, but if the engine can support it (which it can, see CoH), why would they stick a lower limit on?

[ClannerDelta]

No, but if the engine can support it (which it can, see CoH), why would they stick a lower limit on?
The games focus more on the tactical, on what you make very specific units do. CoH plays vastly differently than Supcom/Starcraft as far as RTS games go. Part of the tactical feel of the game is being up in the action.

If you give people a huge zoom, then everyone has to use it for competitive reasons. This will cut down on the cinematic style that CoH and DoW2 try to encompass.

[Deadend]

Close zoom also makes it easier to get your units behind cover. Playing the game Starcraft style where you sweep your mighty mouse cursor over the screen, highlighting as many units as possible that you then send off to attack whatever is over.. there.. will get your ass handed to you by a couple of squads that are being micromanaged.

[H.Bogard]

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Yes, just FUCKING YESSSS!

[Wasson_]

Close zoom also makes it easier to get your units behind cover. Playing the game Starcraft style where you sweep your mighty mouse cursor over the screen, highlighting as many units as possible that you then send off to attack whatever is over.. there.. will get your ass handed to you by a couple of squads that are being micromanaged.


That sounds just awesome, but does it boil down to who can hotkey the most and the fastest?

[SilentScreams]

That sounds just awesome, but does it boil down to who can hotkey the most and the fastest?

Is it an RTS? The answer to both is yes.

[Wasson_]

In the Future, there is only hot-keying?

[DiBiddilyBop]

http://www.diskidee.be/uploads/magazine/images/article/l/logitech_g13.jpg

Victory is mine?

[ClannerDelta]

In the Future, there is only hot-keying?

I was sitting pretty high up the ladder in CoH and I only ever used Hot Keys on my buildings. Otherwise I would use the tactical map to go to the specific units that needed my attention.

Blobbing can work for some people, but well micro-managed support units beat it out in general. The one exception I kept stonewalling against would be Tetrarch spam. If I was foolish enough to let them churn those pint-sized tanks out. There wasn't much I could do about it without spamming a counter. Watching a Jagdpanther get royally fucked by 10 or so of those little bastards in record time was a real eye opener.

On the other hand. It was hotkey mania when I was playing SupCom. I don't mind either style, but DoW2 is heading in the direction CoH went. So you can assume things will have a much greater emphasis on the individual unit and not the blob. Of course, I hope blobbing is part of the way you play 'Nids and Orkz. :D

[Lint of Death]

If blobbing with Tyranids doesn't work, from THOSE videos, some developer needs a crack to the head.

[Wasson_]

I hope you'd be able to counter a massive nid' onslaught with effective micromangaing...I'm guessing you'll be running into alot of them in the campaign.

[Libuke]

relic put a blog up recently talking about how Space Marines would play and it sounds like they will be few in number a high micro manage army to play.

http://community.dawnofwar2.com/blogs/?p=453

[SilentScreams]

As it should be.
What I also want from DoW 2 is for squads of guys to be the main focus. When you see a tank/dreadnaught/WL/whatever it should be an "oh shit oh shit oh shit" moment, rather than "oh look another tank".
I remember Relic saying that was what they wanted from DoW, but it never really worked out.

[Libuke]

As it should be.
What I also want from DoW 2 is for squads of guys to be the main focus. When you see a tank/dreadnaught/WL/whatever it should be an "oh shit oh shit oh shit" moment, rather than "oh look another tank".
I remember Relic saying that was what they wanted from DoW, but it never really worked out.

I agree, I would like them to be rare just like they are on the table top game. Well usually any ways.

[Hotcod]

I like the Tau, there not as overtly dark as the rest of the races true but the fun comes from the fact you don't know what they mean for the universe. They are either the best thing to ever happen to it or the worst and it can be hard to work out which. It centres around the good old idea of a benevolent dictatorship and if that is wrong. Most tau are happy they live in effective communism where every one can feel that they are playing a part in bring the grater good to the galaxy... is it really so wrong? heh

As for the game i'm hoping that it's not to micro intensive... which is not to say no microing of units but say with the SM that's there little enough of them for you to be able to do it effectively with out it becoming a twich fest full of hot keys.

[Narradisall]

I just really hope they balance this better than DOW1 and don't just keep piling on new races.

Being a huge RTS fan I found DOW online to be a let down when playing randoms as you ended up with mass abuse, so I only ended up playing with friends, and then we had to add our own rules as to what could be used to lessen the craptastic balance.

Say what you want about the old school SC and its gameplay mechanics, but it was by far the most balanced RTS I've played to date.

Not saying I hate DOW at all, I just really don't want them to cave in to pressure and go "shit, add Tau! Add Necron!" before they sort the balance.

[Harv]

Loving these trailers.

[Matthias]

This might be the RTS I'm willing to lay money down for this year. I was always horrible at starcraft, but this looks really fun, and I love the 40k universe. I'm most interested in Orks and Tau on the tabletop, but they all look interesting. Except Chaos. I don't care for the overly chaotic-demonic vibe.

[ClannerDelta]

Most tau are happy they live in effective communism where every one can feel that they are playing a part in bring the grater good to the galaxy... is it really so wrong? heh

Actually, I've always thought of the Tau as Utilitarians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism). They focus on the Greater Good, not on the equality of all. Simply that stability for all is the best way to create the greatest good (pleasure). Anyone opposed to that idea is simply exterminated with utmost efficiency as a matter of necessity, not outright malice.

The Caste system in itself seems to negate the idea of Communism. As certain Castes live to a higher standard of life compared to the Earth Caste or outsiders brought under the dominion of the Tau.

[Hotcod]

which is why i said effective. I meant that they have no real economy as everything is, as far as i can tell, state owned and directed... the food is made and distributed so that no one goes hungry and so on. I would have probably said something about utilitarians if id actually remembered about it. There's still enough difference with the tau to not really be either one.

anyway

For the Grater Good! *shoots you in the head*

[ShivaX]

which is why i said effective. I meant that they have no real economy as everything is, as far as i can tell, state owned and directed... the food is made and distributed so that no one goes hungry and so on. I would have probably said something about utilitarians if id actually remembered about it. There's still enough difference with the tau to not really be either one.

anyway

For the Grater Good! *shoots you in the head*

Well its better than having your entire planet stripped bare of everything, being killed from space, or slaughtered cause its fun, etc, etc. I mean they basically are willing to incorperate anyone into their culture. You might be a lower caste, but they also realize that every caste serves its purpose, so its not like you're slaves. You just aren't as important in the grand scheme of things as others are.

Really its a pretty open minded way of looking at things. They'll still shoot you in the head if you resist I suppose, but honestly compared to every other option in the galaxy, why would you? Its a pretty sweet deal.

[GigaFuzz]

"Join us or die!" seems to be the Tau method. Harsh, and certainly not 'nice' or 'good', but a better deal that the Tyranids 'om nom nom'-ing your planet or the Imperials blowing everything up.

[Hotcod]

I started a tau army back when they first came out exactly for this reason. They see them selfs as being the only hope for the galaxy and any one stupid enough to stand in the way of the grater good... well... the only thing to do is wipe them out. It's there own fault for not accepting the rightness of the tau. They've got tech on a level equal to or better than man kind and got it in the same time the imperium has been sitting around stagnating. If they can establish them selfs securely enough that they can't be crushed under the other races numbers then they should end up taking over most of the galaxy and making it a seemingly better place. With all this you get a cool dark side and a wonder if there are not other motives behind the 'grater good'.

If it wasn't for some mess with the codex and the new rules that i really don't like i'd be tempted to update my army instead of starting an new eldar one.... my stupid older brother brought the dark reach box set on sale and we had some fun with it over Christmas which has made me want to start collecting and playing a little again... just as dow2 is coming out too :D

[Press Ninja]

I started a tau army back when they first came out exactly for this reason. They see them selfs as being the only hope for the galaxy and any one stupid enough to stand in the way of the grater good... well... the only thing to do is wipe them out. It's there own fault for not accepting the rightness of the tau. They've got tech on a level equal to or better than man kind and got it in the same time the imperium has been sitting around stagnating. If they can establish them selfs securely enough that they can't be crushed under the other races numbers then they should end up taking over most of the galaxy and making it a seemingly better place. With all this you get a cool dark side and a wonder if there are not other motives behind the 'grater good'.

If it wasn't for some mess with the codex and the new rules that i really don't like i'd be tempted to update my army instead of starting an new eldar one.... my stupid older brother brought the dark reach box set on sale and we had some fun with it over Christmas which has made me want to start collecting and playing a little again... just as dow2 is coming out too :D

GW got their tiny plastic fangs into me again as well. That Black Reach box is fantastic, all of the models are leagues better than the previous editions. I just re-primed all of my old marines, and I'll be repainting them as a custom Space Wolves army, that can also be used as vanilla marines if I want.

I can't wait for this game. Holy balls it looks good.

[SilentScreams]

"Join us or die!" seems to be the Tau method. Harsh, and certainly not 'nice' or 'good', but a better deal that the Tyranids 'om nom nom'-ing your planet or the Imperials blowing everything up.

You do realize that you've just doomed my friends to lots of "om nom nom" noises when I play them as Tyranid. They don't know it yet, but they hate you for it.

[Deadend]

Goddamn, do I love the Lore for the 40k. Humanity as a vicious angry empire on the decline... and it knows it, while trying to keep itself pure instead of progressing out of fear of a bad change. It's all pretty much the same stuff as the Warhammer lore, but put sci-fi on it, and it becomes so much less boring. It also reminds me that damn near everything cool was done in the warhammer stuff already. Gears of War lancers? Space Marines had them first.

I think the best part of the setting is the fact that the forces of good are DOOMED, Chaos grows ever stronger and old evils are coming back around, while the Emperor is stuck on his throne.

[ClannerDelta]

I think the best part of the setting is the fact that the forces of good are DOOMED, Chaos grows ever stronger and old evils are coming back around, while the Emperor is stuck on his throne.

Then there's the idea that the forces of Good are still only Chaos. I've always like the idea that the God-Emperor is the final manifestation of Chaos. It's opposition to itself. Can't have Chaos without Order. :D

[zarathstra]

I think the best part of the setting is the fact that the forces of good are DOOMED, Chaos grows ever stronger and old evils are coming back around, while the Emperor is stuck on his throne.

Yeah, that's one of the cool things for me as well. Everyone is trying, but the Imperium is clearly a lost cause. The Emperor is trapped within the Golden Throne, the technological base hasn't progessed in 10's of thousands of years, the Tyranids, Orks, and Chaos are pushing them back on all fronts.

The Eldar are a dying race. The Tau are few in number.

Yup, the forces of Order are well and truly fucked.

[CES]

Yeah, that's one of the cool things for me as well. Everyone is trying, but the Imperium is clearly a lost cause. The Emperor is trapped within the Golden Throne, the technological base hasn't progessed in 10's of thousands of years, the Tyranids, Orks, and Chaos are pushing them back on all fronts.

The Eldar are a dying race. The Tau are few in number.

Yup, the forces of Order are well and truly fucked.

Made all the more apparent when the Imperium found out that it'd take every single person capable of combat in the Imperium to even hope of matching the upcoming Tyranid invasion.

Just as well though, if the Emperor ever did awaken again, he'd probably bitchslap every poor bastard in the Imperium for being idiots. Thinking about it, that would be an amusing "What If" novel.

[Talanvor]

I have no idea what the hell most of you are talking about (blobbing...?), but those trailers look awesome!

I definitely built my new rig so I could play SC2, Diablo 3 and Left 4 Dead, but I will have to check DoW 2 out. I played some of the original, and it was pretty fun, except it had this weird... thing that made the cinematics s-l-o-w to a crawl on my old box.

[ClannerDelta]

I have no idea what the hell most of you are talking about (blobbing...?), but those trailers look awesome!

Blobbing is analogous to Zerging. When someone masses their units in one spot and pretty much attack-moves through the map like a "Blob".

[zarathstra]

Just as well though, if the Emperor ever did awaken again, he'd probably bitchslap every poor bastard in the Imperium for being idiots. Thinking about it, that would be an amusing "What If" novel.

He totally would. He specifically said when he was alive that he wasn't a god, he didn't want to be worshiped, and that science and logic were the keys to humanity's future.

You see how well that worked out.

[Talanvor]

Blobbing is analogous to Zerging. When someone masses their units in one spot and pretty much attack-moves through the map like a "Blob".

I guess that makes sense, that's how I played SC really. Only with Carriers, Scouts and Archons. :D

[Deadend]

He totally would. He specifically said when he was alive that he wasn't a god, he didn't want to be worshiped, and that science and logic were the keys to humanity's future.

You see how well that worked out.

People are dumb, stupid, and weak. Without the emperor they don't move forwards.

But the Emperor was also made up of all the leader/shamans who came before him, so maybe by his entire existence, the ability of mankind to progress has been halted. As all the eggs of humanity making progress were put in one basket. I figure if/when he manages to come back, it will be in humanities darkest hour, or something.

[ShivaX]

Goddamn, do I love the Lore for the 40k. Humanity as a vicious angry empire on the decline... and it knows it, while trying to keep itself pure instead of progressing out of fear of a bad change.

Well progress is pretty well contained by Chaos. You can't have an open, liberal society because once you start allowing that sort of thing, Chaos takes it over and kills everyone. So you have to impose a regimented and strict way of living lest your race collapse under its own weakness and corruptability. The Eldar sort of show that by example, most of their race fell to Chaos. Humanity is trying to avoid the same fate. If a few billion have to die to save the whole, so be it.

The Imperium is very pragmatic about how it does things. They almost never act in malice, but almost always do so without empathy. If a world is infected you destroy it, lest that corruption spread through the area. The innocent die to save innocents elsewhere. If possible you sort through the good and the bad, but still keep them quarantined with an easy option to kill them all should things take a bad turn.

[zarathstra]

Well progress is pretty well contained by Chaos. You can't have an open, liberal society because once you start allowing that sort of thing, Chaos takes it over and kills everyone. So you have to impose a regimented and strict way of living lest your race collapse under its own weakness and corruptability. The Eldar sort of show that by example, most of their race fell to Chaos. Humanity is trying to avoid the same fate. If a few billion have to die to save the whole, so be it.

The Imperium is very pragmatic about how it does things. They almost never act in malice, but almost always do so without empathy. If a world is infected you destroy it, lest that corruption spread through the area. The innocent die to save innocents elsewhere. If possible you sort through the good and the bad, but still keep them quarantined with an easy option to kill them all should things take a bad turn.

I've always found it funny that as repressive, brutal, and intolerant as the Imperium is...the alternative is even worse.

[Chaos Machine]

Chaos will eventually win, cause the mantra of survival of the fittest is taken to a whole new level with their culture.

[ShivaX]

Chaos will eventually win, cause the mantra of survival of the fittest is taken to a whole new level with their culture.

I think if anything they are likely to win because thats not entirely true. Chaos feeds on the weak by promising them power and giving it to them. Its harder to tempt someone who has everything and is strong. The weak are always easy to lure in.

Chaos's very nature makes it difficult for them to really be victorious though. The Chaos Gods ultimately don't much care for each other and are prone to infighting. The only thing they really have on their side is the fallibility of man and their own immortality. They don't progress technology-wise or anything else. All the gear possessed by Traitor Marines is what they had when they turned. From what I've gathered time has no meaning in the Eye so a most of the marines are the same marines who turned with Horus.

Chaos wins the long game because its unbeatable and eternal. You could kill every one of its followers, but it will corrupt more. Eventually you'll make a mistake or get unlucky. They only have to win once and mankind is destroyed.

[Froghourt]

Chaos will eventually win, cause the mantra of survival of the fittest is taken to a whole new level with their culture.

Chaos has no chance of "winning". Even if the succeeded in destroying the remaining Eldar and the Imperium, the infighting between the gods would eventually lead to their demise. Either the Orks would finish them of, since they aren't easily corrupted by chaos and almost impossible to get rid of, or they would run out of emotions to feed on.

Edit: I should have read ShivaX's post first.

[GigaFuzz]

There's one bit of fluff somewhere which says something similar about the Orks. If they were to ever completely unite against the Imperium, the Imperium would be royally screwed. Thankfully they spend most of their time fighting each other. It's only the great Warlords like Thraka who can pull enough Orks together to be a serious threat.

[Deadend]

There's one bit of fluff somewhere which says something similar about the Orks. If they were to ever completely unite against the Imperium, the Imperium would be royally screwed. Thankfully they spend most of their time fighting each other. It's only the great Warlords like Thraka who can pull enough Orks together to be a serious threat.

That is true of the fantasy warhammer as well. It's what is cool about Orks... I also think the Orcs are a facet of Chaos that is split off from it.

Eventually it may come down to the Necron vs Chaos, or some sort of non-organic forces based on something that can't be corrupted.

[Froghourt]

There's one bit of fluff somewhere which says something similar about the Orks. If they were to ever completely unite against the Imperium, the Imperium would be royally screwed. Thankfully they spend most of their time fighting each other. It's only the great Warlords like Thraka who can pull enough Orks together to be a serious threat.

The Orks don't unite because they just love fighting to much. If there isn't anyone around to fight, they just fight among themselves. They are too tribal to ever really band together, but when they do, you get something like Armageddon. A near total destruction of an entire Imperial sector.

However, if Chaos were ever to establish any serious presence in the real galaxy, you can bet your ass the orks would be flooding from all over just to get to them. Such an opportunity to fight they wouldn't be able to resist.

That is true of the fantasy warhammer as well. It's what is cool about Orks... I also think the Orcs are a facet of Chaos that is split off from it.

Eventually it may come down to the Necron vs Chaos, or some sort of non-organic forces based on something that can't be corrupted.

Actually the Orks were created by The Old Ones to combat the Necrons. They were originally called Kroks but they later evolved into the Orks we know in 40k.

[bryan]

Not sure if this is right or not, but I vaguely recall a bit of fluffy that hypothesized that the Orks were an intrinsic part of the Universe, a sort of 'immune system'.

[Lint of Death]

Not sure if this is right or not, but I vaguely recall a bit of fluffy that hypothesized that the Orks were an intrinsic part of the Universe, a sort of 'immune system'.

I think there were comments like that in either the 4th edition rulebook from a while back or in the Ork codex from around that time. I think it was an 'in character' supposition from a human xenobiologist. In any case, the Old Ones did create them in an attempt to defend themselves against the combined force of the C'tan and the enslaved Necrons.

[Ghostbear]

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g302/ghostbear1/approaching_critical_awesomeness.jpg
This thread is so awesome/nerdy. :D

[Hotcod]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44402.html

[ClannerDelta]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44402.html

That was pretty amazing. The Venerable Dreadnaught was perfect. I also like the more fluff-approved look of the turrets.

[ShivaX]

That is true of the fantasy warhammer as well. It's what is cool about Orks... I also think the Orcs are a facet of Chaos that is split off from it.

Eventually it may come down to the Necron vs Chaos, or some sort of non-organic forces based on something that can't be corrupted.

Well the way its setting up the Tyranids would be the winners. Only the Imperium has the resources and organization to defeat them and even they don't have enough. They get stronger with every race they battle as they absorb their genetic material and adapt. If the Imperium fell no other race has the ability to battle them, save maybe the Tau, who are too few in numbers to really stand a chance. Eventually they'd destroy all life in the galaxy (so I guess maybe the Necrons could be considered "winners").

[Hotcod]

the games gone gold and seems to be shipping a few days earlier than planned. take a look at there blog for more detials.

http://community.dawnofwar2.com/

There's also a Q&A up, not much other than the fact they already have a patch on the gold version based on internal testing and plan on having more done based on the beta to be put out as a day one patch. Which is nice.

Oh and i just found out that in the beta you should be able to start custom games with the AI, which is to say skrimish mode... which is good news, i like to have a good mess about with rts before i think about going online. Even more so now there's a good stats tracking system... i won't be very good but i don't want to suck :(

So whos in from the 21st? which is to say who own soulstorm? we should set up some games.

I have to admit i brought soulstorm last week beacuse of the beta. Well not just beacuse of the beta, as i'd kept meaning to play it and it's nice to have a dow game on steam and i've been having a blast with it feeding my dow itch... but it dose mean i get in to the early beta which should be much much fun... i'm so very excited about this. Just a little annoyed it had to come just as i'm back at uni with stuff to do

[Voodoo]

I'm in for DoW 2 on Wednesday! Huzzah!!! Shit... I'll probably be playing it at work!

[GigaFuzz]

I am weak. I just bought Soulstorm. My flatmate already has it, and I couldn't let him have all the fun with the DoW2 beta on his own....

[zarathstra]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44402.html

I think a little pee came out.

[Codicier]

C'mon January 28th!

[ShivaX]

C'mon January 28th!

No lie. I started the Wrath of the Lich King trial on the 18th so it would end just as the DoW2 beta opened up for me. I'm sure it can keep me occupied for 10 days.

[Commissar Rob]

Well progress is pretty well contained by Chaos. You can't have an open, liberal society because once you start allowing that sort of thing, Chaos takes it over and kills everyone. So you have to impose a regimented and strict way of living lest your race collapse under its own weakness and corruptability. The Eldar sort of show that by example, most of their race fell to Chaos. Humanity is trying to avoid the same fate. If a few billion have to die to save the whole, so be it.


Some may question my right to destroy ten billion people, those who understand, realize I have no right to let them live. - Inquisitor Kryptmann

[ShivaX]

Some may question my right to destroy ten billion people, those who understand, realize I have no right to let them live. - Inquisitor Kryptmann

I swear WH40k has some of the greatest quotes ever. Hell even DoW1 was pretty awesome when you loaded it up and got some random quote. Heres to hoping they put a bunch more in for loading screens and the like. Hell they could do it by race even (toss in some Imperial guys talking about the Tyranids for them). If its anything like CoH you'll have plenty of time to read em.

[Commissar Rob]

I swear WH40k has some of the greatest quotes ever. Hell even DoW1 was pretty awesome when you loaded it up and got some random quote. Heres to hoping they put a bunch more in for loading screens and the like. Hell they could do it by race even (toss in some Imperial guys talking about the Tyranids for them). If its anything like CoH you'll have plenty of time to read em.

Best part about the tabletop rules book, IMHO, are the Thoughts of the Day.


An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
Tolerance is a sign of weakness.
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.


And, of course, my commissarial favorite (favourite?):

"Fear ensures loyalty! Where do you need me?"

[SilentScreams]

"The stars themselves once lived and died at our command, and yet you still oppose our will."

[Libuke]

Soulstorm has been dropped in price temporarily to 7.50 on steam I am assuming due to the beta to try and get people to pick it up. I am tempted although it would only be 7 days earlier.

[zarathstra]

"The stars themselves once lived and died at our command, and yet you still oppose our will."

Oh, the Eldar. How I love thee.

[Hotcod]

http://community.dawnofwar2.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3649

Beta info and such stuff is also up on steam. Note that if you pre order dow2 on steam you will also get in on the 21st. I'm still waiting to see how the preorders with the special stuff pans out and if we are going to see some form of CE but if you are planing to get it on steam anyway then this is a good way to get in the beta if you don't want soul storm

edit: god dammit why have the 2 packs i'd actually want still not up anywhere in the UK, the force commander and Artificer Wargear sets i can't get here for some reason. It also seems the Artificer Wargear set is being called a CE rather than anything else. At lest i can get a steel book tactical marine set at last.

if you have no idea what i'm talking about go here

http://community.dawnofwar2.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3194&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

[Hotcod]

wait, hang on... is it out??!!?!?!??!! i'm confused i just got told that at 00:01 GMT on the 21st it's out... which means it should be out now for me unless they mean the 22nd

It's in my games list and i'm installing now! if it's not just a preload i'll be a very happy man... even if it is 3am and i've missed 3 hours of playing and i need to be up in 4 hours... if it is the working beta than no sleep for me tonight

Edit, i'll start an "offical" beta thread when my download finished and know what's going on

edit: 82%... i'm starting to get giggly like a school girl with a crush

[Codicier]

Oh, the Eldar. How I love thee.

Stop it. You guys keep giving me the urge to take my partially done Eldar army out again and I can't afford the models and the videogames. Why must you make me choose!?

[Commissar Rob]

"The stars themselves once lived and died at our command, and yet you still oppose our will."

If I may paraphrase...

"As long as the vile alien still draws breath, there shall be no peace."