Disgaea 3

[Restlessavenger]

Figured we should start a new thread on this over here. For some of us this is our first proper Disgaea experience and I found that the last thread had a lot of useful information for those trying to come to grips with the idea of leveling to 9999.

[Phades]

I really need to buy this game.....

[Shadowmage952]

So, does anyone else find themselves spending much more time in the class world than in the item world? I almost feel a necessity of entering into a class world when I reincarnate a character so that you aren't crushed by overpowered enemies. Great fun though...

[DiBiddilyBop]

Unfortunately, I still haven't gotten that far into the game. I have access to the class world, but I've only reincarnated a couple characters and still have a loooooooong way to go before I start digging into the class world and going more than 10 levels into the item world.

[Shadowmage952]

Unfortunately, I still haven't gotten that far into the game. I have access to the class world, but I've only reincarnated a couple characters and still have a loooooooong way to go before I start digging into the class world and going more than 10 levels into the item world.

Ah, but if you go into the class world the monsters are the same level as the character you enter as. If you just reincarnated someone and clear all the blocks on all the levels you'll pull in about 4000 mana (give or take a few hundred) and you can spend that to increase their move, crits, counters, etc (or even the size of the club they are in). Too tempting to pass up ;)

[Alkanos]

I'm still playing the endgame in Disgaea 1 and making my way through the story in Disgaea 2. But everytime I see one of these threads, it makes me want to give up, buy a PS3 and grab this. Then lock myself in a room for a year...

[violent]

Well as anyone on my friends list may know, this game has me by the croutons. I'm in Episode 6 and I got Mao up to about level 60. I'm currently working on opening up my squad options by leveling and Homeroom creation. I build a squad of level 1's, gear them up and I can get them to about level 20 in 25-30 minutes.

I'm not really utilizing the item of class worlds at the moment. Seems I may have to.

[Gorvi]

I need to get a chance to even play. :(

[DiBiddilyBop]

Ah, but if you go into the class world the monsters are the same level as the character you enter as. If you just reincarnated someone and clear all the blocks on all the levels you'll pull in about 4000 mana (give or take a few hundred) and you can spend that to increase their move, crits, counters, etc (or even the size of the club they are in). Too tempting to pass up ;)

Reeeeeeeally. Ok, I guess I know what I'm going to be doing tonight.

I've also been hesitant to reincarnate too many characters because even my highest lvled characters are still relatively low (I think 30 is my highest and she's way ahead of most), and I want to keep unlocking the extra classes.

[Shadowmage952]

Reeeeeeeally. Ok, I guess I know what I'm going to be doing tonight.

I've also been hesitant to reincarnate too many characters because even my highest lvled characters are still relatively low (I think 30 is my highest and she's way ahead of most), and I want to keep unlocking the extra classes.

Just keep in mind that if you level that character while in the class world the enemies will also level as you go deeper. I tend to just not use them.

Also, I tend to only reincarnate after I've unlocked the next tier of that class as (unlike Disgaea 1, but like Disgaea2) you can only unlock the next tier of what you are currently in. Meaning to unlock tier 3 you must be tier 2, etc.

If you do go for it, make sure you clear all of the geo blocks for each level as it lowers the cost of the upgrade you are going for by 5%. Also, to increase the club size, the first one cost 5000 and is accessible by clearing all the blocks on level 10 of the class world (it will open up a special exit to go through).

Oh, and always kill the clones of your character that show up as that increases the aptitude bonus you get for going through the class world. Even more reason to want to go in ;)

[DiBiddilyBop]

Just keep in mind that if you level that character while in the class world the enemies will also level as you go deeper. I tend to just not use them.

Also, I tend to only reincarnate after I've unlocked the next tier of that class as (unlike Disgaea 1, but like Disgaea2) you can only unlock the next tier of what you are currently in. Meaning to unlock tier 3 you must be tier 2, etc.

If you do go for it, make sure you clear all of the geo blocks for each level as it lowers the cost of the upgrade you are going for by 5%. Also, to increase the club size, the first one cost 5000 and is accessible by clearing all the blocks on level 10 of the class world (it will open up a special exit to go through).

Oh, and always kill the clones of your character that show up as that increases the aptitude bonus you get for going through the class world. Even more reason to want to go in ;)

Man... there's a lot I still need to learn about this game. For example, I played Disgaea 2 but I don't think I ever beat it and I didn't remember that you had to be tier 2 to unlock tier 3. So... I guess I should go ahead and reincarnate all my tier 1's that I've been holding off on.

I also don't really 'get' the class world, so that's another reason I've been hesitant to jump in there. The item world is my safe, happy, familiar place. But I guess I'll have to jump into the class world at some point, and now seems like as good a time as any.

[Restlessavenger]

All of this stuff is making my head spin a little. Are there any good resources that go over the concepts at a basic level (i.e. what is the purpose of reincarnation, how does it work and why would I do it). The level of depth in this game blows my mind. I'm in Chapter, have gone into the item world a couple of time, and feel like I am just playing along the edges of the game.

[BlackPete]

So for all you Disgaea experts...

I've never played a Disgaea game before, but now I'm really interested in picking up a Disgaea game.

I was thinking about picking up Disgaea 3 for the PS3, but then noticed that there's a Disgaea for the DS now as well, and it's been getting great reviews... a portable Disgaea is pretty damn enticing for those commutes on the train.

Has anyone played both? And if so, which would be your pick?

[Gorvi]

The Disgaea on the DS is the same as the first PS2 game and the PSP version. While I'd recommend the PSP version over the DS version, I'd recommend both over any home version. Even if you only play it at home, having a sleep mode for games like this is such a huge help.

Of course, if that doesn't matter to you, by all means get Disgaea 3, as (IMO) so far it's just a better game with all the refinements they've made over the course of the series.

[Fubl]

I havent had much time to put back into this course right now my ps3 is unplugged from tv since i need to do some cable control...

[DiBiddilyBop]

All of this stuff is making my head spin a little. Are there any good resources that go over the concepts at a basic level (i.e. what is the purpose of reincarnation, how does it work and why would I do it). The level of depth in this game blows my mind. I'm in Chapter, have gone into the item world a couple of time, and feel like I am just playing along the edges of the game.

The game is incredibly complex...

The only place I know of to read some up on it is gamefaqs and nothing I've seen there is all that helpful. Feel free to ask your questions here though and those of us who have played all the games in the series can try and answer them (though some of the new concepts in Disgaea 3 are still a little confusing to me).

Reincarnation... that's an easy one. When you reincarnate, you start your character back at level 1 as a new class. There are a number of reasons to do this. As you unlock higher tier classes, reincarnation allows you to not only have higher base stats for your character, but also allows you to unlock more powerful attacks. Also, the new, lvl 1 character takes all of the abilities they already have with them, so you can turn a tier 1 red mage into a tier 2 cleric, which will give them all of their original fire spells, plus allows them to learn healing magic. You want to do that wisely though since you wouldn't want to turn a mage into a fighter since they wouldn't really have the INT or SP as the new class to utilize the skills they're taking with them.

[Restlessavenger]

Reincarnation... that's an easy one. When you reincarnate, you start your character back at level 1 as a new class. There are a number of reasons to do this. As you unlock higher tier classes, reincarnation allows you to not only have higher base stats for your character, but also allows you to unlock more powerful attacks. Also, the new, lvl 1 character takes all of the abilities they already have with them, so you can turn a tier 1 red mage into a tier 2 cleric, which will give them all of their original fire spells, plus allows them to learn healing magic. You want to do that wisely though since you wouldn't want to turn a mage into a fighter since they wouldn't really have the INT or SP as the new class to utilize the skills they're taking with them.

I see. That is actually really useful. How about Residents? What is the difference between the different residents (I.e. Marksman, tutor, Scout) and their purpose? Why would I want to transfer or combine them? Does this adjust the difficulty of the item world? Increase the item world rewards? Or is it just a matter of straight up stat boosting.

[frederec]

I see. That is actually really useful. How about Residents? What is the difference between the different residents (I.e. Marksman, tutor, Scout) and their purpose? Why would I want to transfer or combine them? Does this adjust the difficulty of the item world? Increase the item world rewards? Or is it just a matter of straight up stat boosting.

Most of the different residents will augment certain stats. For instance, gladiators add to strength, marksmen to hit, sentries to defense. There are others, like statisticians that add to experience gained, or cryophiles that add to ice resistance. There's more in this game than any other Disgaea, like the oh-so droolworthy item specific boosters (e.g. a lvl 500 fist fighter on a fist basically multiplies all the fist's stats by 6), or even unique item-specific residents. The most important one being the one that comes on the puppy paw stick. If you haven't seen reference to that, the puppy paw stick and the class world is the key to item duplication, which is the most efficient way to boost residents. There's a fairly large list of residents, which is part of the reason I feel the strategy guides for these games are invaluable.

Anyway, if you have a normal resident (red face next to the name), you can encounter it in the item world of its item. If you kill the resident, it is then "subdued," which doubles its power, turns the red face into a smiley yellow face, and allows you to move the resident to other items as you choose.

Subdued residents (which pertain to single stats) will actually boost the growth of that stat as you go up the item world. So if you're trying to make a strong weapon, you generally clear out all the residents (by entering at level one, killing the resident, leaving, replacing that one with a gladiator, and repeating until it is full of gladiators), then run up the item until you kill an item king. Each item king you kill increases the total allowed population of the item (to a max of eight).

Gah, if you think I'm talking too much about it now, there's tons I've left out, like reverse pirating and the land of carnage.

[violent]

I love this thread.

[DiBiddilyBop]

I love this thread.

You're just lost to Disgaea. Every time I see you on, I see you're playing.

[violent]

You're just lost to Disgaea. Every time I see you on, I see you're playing.

And it's obvious how little I know. Everytime I read through this, the game gets a little bit better.

[DiBiddilyBop]

And it's obvious how little I know. Everytime I read through this, the game gets a little bit better.

Hey, I can't blame you. Were it not for the fact that my girlfriend can't stand Disgaea, I'd probably have 80 hours in it already. The game is just that good.

[diablopath]

I haven't come up with the funds to purchase this yet, but once I get my tuition deal settled, it's still on my list.

Right before LittleBigPlanet.

EDIT: Good news, semi-related, <3 the replayability of Afternoon of Darkness.
It's going to make a 16 hour bus ride much less shitty.

[BlackPete]

The Disgaea on the DS is the same as the first PS2 game and the PSP version. While I'd recommend the PSP version over the DS version, I'd recommend both over any home version. Even if you only play it at home, having a sleep mode for games like this is such a huge help.

Of course, if that doesn't matter to you, by all means get Disgaea 3, as (IMO) so far it's just a better game with all the refinements they've made over the course of the series.

Yeah that's what I was thinking as well... for a game as deep and complex as this (from what I read anyway), it seems more fitting to have it on a handheld than a console, where I'd have to be glued to the big screen for hours on end.

I don't have a PSP so I'll get the DS version. :p

[DiBiddilyBop]

Time to dig this thread back up...

So I finally went into the class world last night for one of my newly created ninjas to give her some extra movement. The class world really does seem awesome for making a good character incredible, and seems like it allows for nearly infinite leveling up for a character (level up attributes and affinities, reincarnate, repeat). Since I'm relatively low level, I needed to clear all the levels of blocks in order to be able to afford the movement bonus, but I can see once I'm higher level and can get mana more easily how you could breeze through the class world at a relatively quick pace.

This game just gets deeper and deeper. I'm really looking forward to stealing a pirate ship and doing some reverse pirate missions to get specialists, so maybe that will be my goal for the weekend.

[violent]

So I'm under the impression that in order to unlock certain character tiers, you have to level until one is unlocked, reincarnate to that tier and level them up to unlock the next tier. This correct?

Also, how are you guys doing it? Are you leveling everyone up to a certain point or are you simply getting your main party through the game and then working on endgame? Oi, so much.

[Gorvi]

I got in a bit more time today, I just finished up Chapter 5 (I know, I've been slow). When does this Class World that I keep reading about open up?

[frederec]

So I'm under the impression that in order to unlock certain character tiers, you have to level until one is unlocked, reincarnate to that tier and level them up to unlock the next tier. This correct?

Yes, that's correct. It hasn't been this way in all NISA games, but they do it here. It's extra frustrating this time, because it actually costs more mana every time you reincarnate.


Also, how are you guys doing it? Are you leveling everyone up to a certain point or are you simply getting your main party through the game and then working on endgame? Oi, so much.
I have a habit of stopping at a certain point in the game and just going nuts in the item world until I'm crazy leveled, then realizing I never finished the story. However, for this game it's in your best interests to get to the post game stuff before too long, since the easiest way to get the puppy paw stick is in the post-game. And the puppy paw stick is the key to crazy item power.


I got in a bit more time today, I just finished up Chapter 5 (I know, I've been slow). When does this Class World that I keep reading about open up?

You actually could have had access to it since chapter 3 (after 3-3, to be exact). You need to pass the student council bill (or whatever they call it), then place at least one person in the student council. Once you do that, every once in a while when you finish a battle you'll see a message about Prin the Vagabond visiting. He's a prinny with an afro. He's the guy that takes you to the class world.

[Gorvi]

You actually could have had access to it since chapter 3 (after 3-3, to be exact). You need to pass the student council bill (or whatever they call it), then place at least one person in the student council. Once you do that, every once in a while when you finish a battle you'll see a message about Prin the Vagabond visiting. He's a prinny with an afro. He's the guy that takes you to the class world.
Ahh, nice. I need to mess around more with the bill passing in this one, I haven't really done it much yet other than getting more expensive items in the shops.

[frederec]

Ahh, nice. I need to mess around more with the bill passing in this one, I haven't really done it much yet other than getting more expensive items in the shops.

You should watch out for that, because the different clubs can be very handy. I'm very fond of the ones that give members of the club a percentage of the xp or mana gained by those adjacent to them. It can be very nice when you're leveling up a powerful character, but also want to boost someone who's far behind. And there are several clubs (like student council, or the one for the dark world or reverse pirating, or for buying shoes or glasses) where you just need one warm body in there to open up things in the game.

[Gorvi]

You should watch out for that, because the different clubs can be very handy. I'm very fond of the ones that give members of the club a percentage of the xp or mana gained by those adjacent to them. It can be very nice when you're leveling up a powerful character, but also want to boost someone who's far behind. And there are several clubs (like student council, or the one for the dark world or reverse pirating, or for buying shoes or glasses) where you just need one warm body in there to open up things in the game.

I need to give that more investigation then. :)

[DiBiddilyBop]

I decided to pick up the strategy guide today since it was obvious there was so much I didn't know about, and it turns out I really had no idea just how much I didn't know about. Basic things like attack bonuses when the character doesn't move, what the different colored treasure chests mean, how team attacks make enemies turn into treasure chests and how the chances for a team attack work, how chaining skills works and why it does so much more damage when you do...

This is the first strategy guide I've used since the Final Fantasy guide came with Nintendo Power and it was well worth the purchase. There is just so much to this game that I never would have known had I not picked it up, and that's just from an initial skim of it.

[diablopath]

I was just about to buy this today.
Until I learned work didn't have it.

I think I'll get it with Dead Space.
Fuck my financial situation.

[diablopath]

And I picked this up after work tonight.
I forgot how much I enjoyed the Disgaea humor.

Great purchase, or greatest purchase?

[pomeroy]

I read Disgaea threads and I feel like the guy who walked into a movie 45 minutes into it. Just no damn clue what's going on.

I might have to get the PSP one and try it out.

[diablopath]

I read Disgaea threads and I feel like the guy who walked into a movie 45 minutes into it. Just no damn clue what's going on.

I might have to get the PSP one and try it out.
No better place to start.

[frederec]

I read Disgaea threads and I feel like the guy who walked into a movie 45 minutes into it. Just no damn clue what's going on.

I might have to get the PSP one and try it out.

Don't let everything you can do intimidate you. Something I like about these games is that you get as deep into them as you want. If some of the stat-crunching and leveling isn't your thing, you don't have to focus on it, and you wont necessarily be screwed. In that way it eases you into it. If you're going along, and get curious about one aspect of the game, then that's when you can start messing with it, and see the advantages of paying attention to it. But it's not required.

[Gorvi]

Don't let everything you can do intimidate you. Something I like about these games is that you get as deep into them as you want. If some of the stat-crunching and leveling isn't your thing, you don't have to focus on it, and you wont necessarily be screwed. In that way it eases you into it. If you're going along, and get curious about one aspect of the game, then that's when you can start messing with it, and see the advantages of paying attention to it. But it's not required.
Truth. I've never done any of the insane leveling in the Disgaea games, only the main storyline, and I've had a great time. Now, with D3, I plan on finally delving into some of that deeper stuff, but you really don't need to do it.