MS just lost a customer

[MagGnome]

Un-fucking-believable!

My 360 just got the RROD! I bought it 15 months ago, and I haven't even used it that much. I booted up Fable 2 and got a really messed up image, and now when I turn it on the RROD comes up. What the FUCK MS?? :mad:

I just spent quite a bit of money on 360 games in the last couple of months, and now they are totally useless. I should have known better than to buy such a piece of shit.

I'm so mad right now I could scream.

[Squidbot]

*Hugs the Gnome*

[Gorvi]

Don't they still replace RROD units for free?

[Dukefrukem]

Don't they still replace RROD units for free?

Yeh they all have three year warranties.

[pomeroy]

Just call in and see if they'll replace it for you.

[Nameless]

I know this is said in every one of these threads, but this shit is embarrasing. Not only that it happens, but that it still happens after the console has been out so long.

I bought my 360 three months ago, and I'm counting down the days... It's a not a question of if, it seems, it's a question of when.

[Sly Marbo]

I'm on number three. I know how you feel.

[Stoke]

Not that I don't have sympathy (I've had it happen), but it's really not worth getting worked up about. You knew it was going to happen and they fix it for free. That said, sorry man. It's the worst fucking time of the year too. :(

[MagGnome]

I know they "fix" it for free, but I also know that a lot of people who get one back still have issues. I don't want someone's refurbed console.

It's just plain ridiculous that a 15 month old system is dead. It's not like I'm running the thing 24/7. MS should be ashamed for releasing such a POS.

Right during the fall season too, and just before the new update. So much for doing any gaming this weekend. :(

[Telefrog]

Sorry to hear Mags. 15 months is just about right for the 360 timebomb to go off.

Send it in and get it fixed. At least there's time to get it back before Xmas.

[Blue]

/vader

NOOOOOOOOOO

/vader

[MagGnome]

Some other things I just thought of:

A) How long will it take to get the coffin, send it in, and get the system back? Is MS going to extend my Live subscription for the weeks I'm going to lose? (haha)

B)I live in an apartment building, and receiving packages is a PITA. Just great.

I know I should have seen this coming, but it still sucks. I've definitely learned a lesson here.

Oh, I also just bought a nice HDTV just for this system. Now I'm thinking I should have built a new PC instead. :p

[Spigot]

My 360 RROD'ed back in September (at the end of my worst day EVER). The upside was that I spent the next 2-3 weeks playing the crap out of my PS3, so it wasn't all bad.

Just take a deep breath, Maggie, and give MS a call and they'll take care of you. You'll have a new system back in a week or two and in the meantime you can write haiku or braid your hair.

But I did luck out as it happened to me before the giant flood started. I'd be pretty pissed off if it happened right now, though at least I've finished off a few games from the flood.

[Stmfuller]

I hear you. I ditched my 360 after it rrod'd the first time and the MS people dropped the ball. The xbox 360 "experience" was ruined for me and I will not be buying a microsoft gaming system again because of it.

Not that I don't have sympathy (I've had it happen), but it's really not worth getting worked up about. You knew it was going to happen and they fix it for free. See, this is why MS keeps making mountains of money from us...Attitudes like this. It isn't his fault...it's mostly MS's fault.
It's not cool that MS continues to make defective systems, it's not cool that MS's only fix for the whole thing is to extend the warranty and say "we're sorry". How about just fixing the fucking system in the first place!

and this is why you'll only see me on the PSN now.

/end rant.
I'm grouchy today, sorry guys :(

[Telefrog]

Some other things I just thought of:

A) How long will it take to get the coffin, send it in, and get the system back? Is MS going to extend my Live subscription for the weeks I'm going to lose? (haha)

The good news is the time I sent mine in I did get a code for a one month extension for free. My buddy also got one as well, so maybe they'll pony up for you as well?

Of course, mine happened during the initial rush of RRoD controversy, so they might've just been trying to compensate for all the bad press at the time that was starting to get spun up.

[Spigot]

Some other things I just thought of:

A) How long will it take to get the coffin, send it in, and get the system back? Is MS going to extend my Live subscription for the weeks I'm going to lose? (haha)

B)I live in an apartment building, and receiving packages is a PITA. Just great.

I know I should have seen this coming, but it still sucks. I've definitely learned a lesson here.

Oh, I also just bought a nice HDTV just for this system. Now I'm thinking I should have built a new PC instead. :pA) I'm not sure if they still actually send you a coffin any more. I know that when mine died, they sent me a PDF with the shipping label for my box but I had to find my own box... the upside is that when my machine was only about 6 months old it started getting a little squirrelly so they sent me one but it started working fine again, so I just held onto the box and used it when the 360 died in Sept.

A.2) They do give you an extra month of Live for your troubles.

B) Keep an eye on the service website and call them if you're not sure when your box is going to be shipped back, then stay home that day and wait for it :)

[Stmfuller]

Just take a deep breath, Maggie, and give MS a call and they'll take care of you. You'll have a new system back in a week or two and in the meantime you can write haiku or braid your hair.No, call MS and throw the biggest fit you can. ask (no demand) for next day service with a coffin...they'll tell you they can't...but they can. make sure you get a manger involved.
They can turn your box around in 72 hours.
I know, cause once they finally got their ass in gear they did mine.

[MalReynolds]

ya ive had alot of problems with my 360 .... Btw your not missin much with the new Dashboard update

[jeffbax]

Yeah, mine RROD'd after a year or so of light usage as well. I have no patience for such shenanigans so I sold it all and went with the PS3. Haven't looked back, don't feel I'm missing anything. They'll fix it for free, but I don't feel like supporting such crap. PS3 is solid as a rock and the game libraries are largely the same anyway.

[Widgetcraft]

Some other things I just thought of:

A) How long will it take to get the coffin, send it in, and get the system back? Is MS going to extend my Live subscription for the weeks I'm going to lose? (haha)

I had to replace mine not too long ago (this is my third), and it only took two or so weeks, if I remember right. I'm not gonna go back to EvAv to check my topic. They do give you a free month of Live, not that it's much consolation.

I know I should have seen this coming, but it still sucks. I've definitely learned a lesson here.

Yeah, the 360 is a piece of shit. Your story is why I get worked up when people say shit like, "Oh, it's not a problem anymore; Elites are totally stable systems!" I'm still glad to have one, but MS better believe that I'll drop their ass next-gen if they don't have the same kind library dominance.

Oh, I also just bought a nice HDTV just for this system. Now I'm thinking I should have built a new PC instead. :p

Well, you are a gnome, so I'd assume you'd have no problem finding the enchanted parts you'd need for a magic PC.

A) I'm not sure if they still actually send you a coffin any more. I know that when mine died, they sent me a PDF with the shipping label for my box but I had to find my own box... the upside is that when my machine was only about 6 months old it started getting a little squirrelly so they sent me one but it started working fine again, so I just held onto the box and used it when the 360 died in Sept.

You have to ask for a coffin.

[MagGnome]

Thanks for all of the feedback/condolences guys.


Well, you are a gnome, so I'd assume you'd have no problem finding the enchanted parts you'd need for a magic PC.

The killer is that I almost built a new rig instead of buying the 360. Guess which choice I wish I had made now? :p


Another thing I just thought of - if the system is so unstable, why continue buying full price games for it? Do I really want to drop $60 on a number of titles that I almost certainly won't be able to play in a few years? I know a lot of you guys play your games and trade them back in, but I like to go back and play older games, especially since I don't have all the time in the world to blast through them in the first week or two after they come out.

One of the things I love about PC gaming is that I can go back and play a TON of old games that I have. I do that with my consoles as well, especially during the summer months when nothing is coming out. I don't think I'll be able to do that with my 360. :(


I sent a service request online, so hopefully I'll get my coffin soon.

[MagGnome]

Yeah, mine RROD'd after a year or so of light usage as well. I have no patience for such shenanigans so I sold it all and went with the PS3. Haven't looked back, don't feel I'm missing anything. They'll fix it for free, but I don't feel like supporting such crap. PS3 is solid as a rock and the game libraries are largely the same anyway.


I'm seriously considering this option right now, but I really like getting on Live and seeing what all of my COG buddies are up to. :(

[Widgetcraft]

Another thing I just thought of - if the system is so unstable, why continue buying full price games for it? Do I really want to drop $60 on a number of titles that I almost certainly won't be able to play in a few years? I know a lot of you guys play your games and trade them back in, but I like to go back and play older games, especially since I don't have all the time in the world to blast through them in the first week or two after they come out.

Gamefly. I like building a library of games, but it's really hard to justify that when I know that ten years down the line I won't even be able to find a working 360.

[Loki]

If you kept on having to rebuy the system, then yea. But it is being replaced for free where only your time is lost during the replacement period and there is no guarantee that the replacement will die. This is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater just because the water burned you.

[MagGnome]

Gamefly. I like building a library of games, but it's really hard to justify that when I know that ten years down the line I won't even be able to find a working 360.

I've thought about doing Gamefly before.

Maybe I'll start a Gamefly account and leave most of my game purchases to the PC.

Right now I'm just weighing various options. I really can't stand faulty electronics.

[violent]

RRoD is a major problem whose absence would make gaming a completely greater experience in my opinion. Everything would be an absolute no-brainer this generation if it wasn't for this one major flaw. Instead, I have to sift through multiple versions with different feature sets, DLC and communities simply because I have to take into consideration that the often easy choice may not be playable at all. It's part of Sony's saving grace really.

[muddi900]

I am on my 4th or 5th(I don't remember)! I mostly use it for media now!

[menage]

Exactly the reason why I bought a PS3 alongside it, so I can still play while the other one dies. Still, I really couldn't live (my gaminglife that is) without my 360. Shit is just tons of fun.

[cawblen]

I hear you. I ditched my 360 after it rrod'd the first time and the MS people dropped the ball. The xbox 360 "experience" was ruined for me and I will not be buying a microsoft gaming system again because of it.

See, this is why MS keeps making mountains of money from us...Attitudes like this. It isn't his fault...it's mostly MS's fault.
It's not cool that MS continues to make defective systems, it's not cool that MS's only fix for the whole thing is to extend the warranty and say "we're sorry". How about just fixing the fucking system in the first place!

and this is why you'll only see me on the PSN now.

/end rant.
I'm grouchy today, sorry guys :(

i concur with this sentiment wholeheartedly

[MagGnome]

RRoD is a major problem whose absence would make gaming a completely greater experience in my opinion. Everything would be an absolute no-brainer this generation if it wasn't for this one major flaw. Instead, I have to sift through multiple versions with different feature sets, DLC and communities simply because I have to take into consideration that the often easy choice may not be playable at all. It's part of Sony's saving grace really.


I'm really glad I haven't bought much DLC. I was about to buy a bunch more (Braid, Castlecrashers, Ticket to Ride, etc.) but now I'm not so sure.

[violent]

I'm really glad I haven't bought much DLC. I was about to buy a bunch more (Braid, Castlecrashers, Ticket to Ride, etc.) but now I'm not so sure.

I've had mine for quite some time now so I'm pretty stocked up on DLC but honestly, I won't look back if I need to move on. At least those games didn't get my 360 going loud enough to wake my neighbors.

[MagGnome]

I've had mine for quite some time now so I'm pretty stocked up on DLC but honestly, I won't look back if I need to move on. At least those games didn't get my 360 going loud enough to wake my neighbors.

I'm seriously weighing my options at this point. Do I cut my losses and sell the system once I get it back, or do I continue to support MS and buy more software? I know that probably sounds silly to a lot of people here, but I really don't want to support/invest in something that works so poorly.

[violent]

I'm seriously weighing my options at this point. Do I cut my losses and sell the system once I get it back, or do I continue to support MS and buy more software? I know that probably sounds silly to a lot of people here, but I really don't want to support/invest in something that works so poorly.

It's precisely how I feel. I purchase most of my multi-plat games on the PS3 solely for the stability. I purchased (rather given for my birthday) Gears 2 and Fable 2. My first new items for my 360 in about a year. Funny thing is that just before I got these two, I was toying with the idea of selling it all. Maybe get one at a later date but these days it was getting very little love. Even now it seems to be on it's way out. A damned shame really.

[Abyssion]

I'm seriously weighing my options at this point. Do I cut my losses and sell the system once I get it back, or do I continue to support MS and buy more software? I know that probably sounds silly to a lot of people here, but I really don't want to support/invest in something that works so poorly.

What if you hold off on buying software, keep the console, and play through your stack first (or however much of it you feel like). Just to make sure its not gonna break again. Of course this is coming from a person with the largest backlog in history, but still...

[Goronmon]

You already own the system. It'll get replaced. Just keep it and play the hell out of it.

Then next generation when it comes down to what systems to throw down for you can vote with your wallet.

[MagGnome]

You guys all make good points.

I'll at least play more of the games I have now, and go from there. I am hesitant to buy many more for it though. :/

[Stoke]

See, this is why MS keeps making mountains of money from us...Attitudes like this. It isn't his fault...it's mostly MS's fault.
It's not cool that MS continues to make defective systems, it's not cool that MS's only fix for the whole thing is to extend the warranty and say "we're sorry". How about just fixing the fucking system in the first place!

My point wasn't that we should all hold hands and thank MS for the time they graced us with, it was that this is a certainty. This is going to happen if you buy a 360, it just is. And if you decide to get a 360 anyway it's not worth a heart attack when it dies.

I'm seriously weighing my options at this point. Do I cut my losses and sell the system once I get it back, or do I continue to support MS and buy more software? I know that probably sounds silly to a lot of people here, but I really don't want to support/invest in something that works so poorly.

Look at the games you have, or want to get in the near future. Can you play the majority of them on the PS3/PC? If so, and the ones you can't play aren't so major that it would outweigh all the others, the choice is clear. Sell the system and get a PS3/PC. It might be worth cashing in now so you can get whatever revision they make that actually does fix the problem, if that ever happens.

That said, you do already have the console. And any other option will take more of a monetary investment than just keeping the 360.

[Rune_74]

Yes guys its not like ther are any systems out there that are older then the fixes that went into the newer models because we all know warehouses get emptied completely before ordering new ones.

For the record my xbox red ringed once and I got a replacement back anbd its been fine for over a year.

[violent]

Yes guys its not like ther are any systems out there that are older then the fixes that went into the newer models because we all know warehouses get emptied completely before ordering new ones.

For the record my xbox red ringed once and I got a replacement back anbd its been fine for over a year.

You shouldn't let it bother you that people are upset at the incessant hardware failure. Also, it's been 3 years and numerous revisions with still no permanent solution. Aggravation just.

[Rune_74]

No, thats not entirely true. How do you know how many of the newer models are failing? You don't.

[violent]

Dude, c'mon. Don't fool yourself. Maybe the latest iteration we don't know for certain but a majority of the other revisions have already been proven.

[BLeeP]

I'm sorry for your loss, Mags 8-(.

If you want, I'll play Left4Dead with you sometime, though! ^_^

[biosc1]

Mr. MagGnome, if you really want to be safe and you still want to stick with the 360, this is what you do.

Go out and buy a brand spanking new 360. There are some great deals out right now. I saw one that came with Indiana Jones, Kung Fu Panda (ya, I know), Dark Sector, and another game...you can trade all those in if you wish.

Then, when you get your old box back or a refurbished one, you sell that one, maybe even throw in a couple of the games that you might get with a new 360 to sweeten the deal.

This way, you have a brand new box now and you're playing games on a new system that is hopefully built with their fixes in place (and brand spanking new warranty). Then, you can Craigslist your old box, hopefully get someone who wants to buy one for Christmas and you can recoup almost all of your costs.

[Haemorrhage]

Every time my 360 dies I get really pissed at first then eventually look at it as an intervention. A week or two to appreciate the other things in my life.

However, this (http://store.steampowered.com/app/500/) should cheer you up while you wait. ;)

http://cdn.steampowered.com/v/gfx/apps/500/header.jpg?t=1226103189

[digitalErich]

RRoD is exactly what my 360 has come to be used to only play exclusives. If I can get a game on another system, be it PS3 or the PC, I'll grab it there if I can.

Thankfully I'm only on console 2, but my replacement was a refurb that sounds like a jet taking off so I'm counting the days.

[Ondo]

Gamefly. I like building a library of games, but it's really hard to justify that when I know that ten years down the line I won't even be able to find a working 360.
If the next console has backwards compatibility you'll be able to play those games fine without having to find a working 360. That's what I'm hoping for, anyway.

Dude, c'mon. Don't fool yourself. Maybe the latest iteration we don't know for certain but a majority of the other revisions have already been proven.
Have there been reports of the falcon chipsets getting the RRoD? I haven't seen any, and they've been out for almost a year, I think.

[court12b]

Yeah, the 360 is a piece of shit. Your story is why I get worked up when people say shit like, "Oh, it's not a problem anymore; Elites are totally stable systems!" I'm still glad to have one, but MS better believe that I'll drop their ass next-gen if they don't have the same kind library dominance.



How much has MS spent to achieve their library dominance? Personally I wish the Industry had a little more spine when it came to picking which systems to release on instead of letting MS go the route of releasing a shoddy product and then simply buying off developers.

[court12b]

Mr. MagGnome, if you really want to be safe and you still want to stick with the 360, this is what you do.

Go out and buy a brand spanking new 360. There are some great deals out right now. I saw one that came with Indiana Jones, Kung Fu Panda (ya, I know), Dark Sector, and another game...you can trade all those in if you wish.

Then, when you get your old box back or a refurbished one, you sell that one, maybe even throw in a couple of the games that you might get with a new 360 to sweeten the deal.

This way, you have a brand new box now and you're playing games on a new system that is hopefully built with their fixes in place (and brand spanking new warranty). Then, you can Craigslist your old box, hopefully get someone who wants to buy one for Christmas and you can recoup almost all of your costs.

yeah, that's the solution... REWARD MS for the frustration they've caused!

[biosc1]

How much has MS spent to achieve their library dominance? Personally I wish the Industry had a little more spine when it came to picking which systems to release on instead of letting MS go the route of releasing a shoddy product and then simply buying off developers.

From the sounds of it, though, the saying is "Microsoft is good at being a software company and bad at hardware. Sony is good at hardware, but bad on the software side."

It seems to take less training to develop for the 360 than it does for the PS3 (at least it used to, it sounds like PS3 development tools are getting much better) and the conversion between 360 and PC takes less time, so you can release on an extra platform for a few extra bucks.

Also...by the time the PS3 came out, there was a large user base for the 360 and you can't ignore that. It worked "well enough".

yeah, that's the solution... REWARD MS for the frustration they've caused!

I'm not thinking about rewarding them, I just love my games on my 360 enough that I'm willing to take a bit of a hurt to continue playing the games I really enjoy.

Yes, I know I'm the problem :o

[violent]

Have there been reports of the falcon chipsets getting the RRoD? I haven't seen any, and they've been out for almost a year, I think.

I don't think anything specific has been revealed for most of the revisions and seeing as they are not SKU specific, if you bought a new 360 today you are still at risk. That is the real problem.

[Stmfuller]

I'm seriously weighing my options at this point. Do I cut my losses and sell the system once I get it back, or do I continue to support MS and buy more software? I know that probably sounds silly to a lot of people here, but I really don't want to support/invest in something that works so poorly.I say vote with your wallet. IMO you've given MS enough money and are now paying for it. Don't think because you're getting it fixed the first time that it won't happen again.

[Evewalker]

Have there been reports of the falcon chipsets getting the RRoD? I haven't seen any, and they've been out for almost a year, I think.

We run a LAN center and also host LAN events, and have 8 Falcon chipset 360's that have been under a lot of stress for about 11 months. We actually refused to invest in 360's until a semi-stable model was released, and finally took the plunge when the Falcon hit.

Despite what we expected, we have had zero failures with those units. It could be because they are dusted out completely at least twice a week and kept on a rack to keep things cool, but I think Microsoft did get things right with the Falcon.

I've been through 2 non-Falcon 360s under much less strain at home in the same amount of time.

[wyeast]

If the next console has backwards compatibility you'll be able to play those games fine without having to find a working 360. That's what I'm hoping for, anyway.

Except, given the experience myself and my friends have had as being early adopters I'm guessing we're collectively going to be very reluctant to buy the next console until at *least* a year, if not longer. :mad:


Have there been reports of the falcon chipsets getting the RRoD? I haven't seen any, and they've been out for almost a year, I think.

iirc, they have been happening. Not anywhere nearly the same rate as the Xenons were failing, but they're there. Numbers I've seen bounced around have been around 10% - 30%. (With xenons allegedly at 30%, but they sure seem a whole lot higher. I don't know anyone in our group w/ a Xenon that hasn't failed at least once - mine was the last holdout)

[DarkDay]

Mr. MagGnome, if you really want to be safe and you still want to stick with the 360, this is what you do.

Go out and buy a brand spanking new 360. There are some great deals out right now. I saw one that came with Indiana Jones, Kung Fu Panda (ya, I know), Dark Sector, and another game...you can trade all those in if you wish.

Then, when you get your old box back or a refurbished one, you sell that one, maybe even throw in a couple of the games that you might get with a new 360 to sweeten the deal.

This way, you have a brand new box now and you're playing games on a new system that is hopefully built with their fixes in place (and brand spanking new warranty). Then, you can Craigslist your old box, hopefully get someone who wants to buy one for Christmas and you can recoup almost all of your costs.


This is what I did. It was no biggie. 200 bones for a new one after my launch bit it. But I got 3 years out of it and a shit ton of play so whatever Im happy.

No problems since and no biggie if so, gave my launch to a clients young son but he only gets it if he gets decent grades.

Yes it sucks but for exclusives and live ms has us by the balls this time.

[slhunter]

Obviously MS deserves a target on their backs because of the ridiculous rate of failure with their launch consoles. There really is no excusing that, but there's also no way that they can go back and change that now. The newer consoles shouldn't be having anywhere near as many issues. What I don't understand is that people act like it's only the XBox/MS that have these issues... I've heard of plenty of PS3s being sent in (not anywhere near the number of launch 360s, but probably somewhere in the general "ballpark" of the newer models) and personally recall going through 3 PS(1)s and 3 PS2s over the course of 5 years for each... It happens. A 3 year warranty doesn't fix the "pain" of losing your console, but at least it shows that they care and are trying to "right the wrong"...

[Rune_74]

How much has MS spent to achieve their library dominance? Personally I wish the Industry had a little more spine when it came to picking which systems to release on instead of letting MS go the route of releasing a shoddy product and then simply buying off developers.

Yep it's just because they bought their way in....god help the school systems people.

[violent]

Yep it's just because they bought their way in....god help the school systems people.

What's with you and Microsoft anyway? You seem to get your panties in a bunch whenever someone criticizes them. Microsoft has done a lot of good with their 360 but there has been plenty bad. If you can't see that then maybe it's your education that should be questioned.

[DarkDay]

Same can be said for those that call people out when they get butt hurt over any company.
Full circle.

I just don't get it anymore. I chose to buy the machine, love it, they all come with crap but in the end its the experiences, and I have had the best gaming experiences on the 360. Piece of crap it is.

Not raggin on you Violent. I just think im getting to old for this crap one way or the other.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, pet the sweaty stuff.
I understand a little anger but isn't it great being as over privileged as we all are we get to complain about video games and systems all day. Lucky us.

Multi million dollar companies don't need protection from us no matter what side you feel you need to choose.

[violent]

Same can be said for those that call people out when they get butt hurt over any company.
Full circle.

I just don't get it anymore. I chose to buy the machine, love it, they all come with crap but in the end its the experiences, and I have had the best gaming experiences on the 360. Piece of crap it is.

Not raggin on you Violent. I just think im getting to old for this crap one way or the other.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, pet the sweaty stuff.
I understand a little anger but isn't it great being as over privileged as we all are we get to complain about video games and systems all day. Lucky us.

Multi million dollar companies don't need protection from us no matter what side you feel you need to choose.

Everyone has their line. Spending $350 on an item that repeatedly breaks down is one of mine. I don't think it's unreasonable to be upset at a non-functioning purchase. The issue continuously coming up may get a little tiring but as with this situation, it just happened to someone for the first time. As long as we have first timers we can expect these discussions to arise.

[Norse]

What's with you and Microsoft anyway? You seem to get your panties in a bunch whenever someone criticizes them.

Hasn't this thread (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=2461&page=2) shown you that people are sensitive to this kinda shit?

[violent]

Hasn't this thread (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=2461&page=2) shown you that people are sensitive to this kinda shit?

Oh for sure. Although I do think that particular thread was created to exploit such over enthusiasm to defend. Successfully I might add.

[DarkDay]

No, for sure and I totally understand and respect that. I should have stated better the dead horse senario.

Its been beaten to a pulp, we all know the risks at this point inside and out, to keep the same thread coming back bringing out the same fanboys over and over again with the same posts from last year gets a little tiring. Its like the movie ground hog day with out an end.

Knowing what we know you would think by this time it would be a non issue. Don't buy, buy, repair, don't repair.
Shit, im just ranting, I like coming in here and reading others posts, guess im just getting tired of them being derailed by fanboys for either system/company.

Kind of a hypocrite myself I guess now as this is a derail in itself.

[Kelegacy]

Hopefully MS's next console is rock-solid and backwards compatible with every game. Why? Because down the road I doubt there will be many working 360s. You won't be able to take it out of the attic one day, dust it off, and play like you can with your SNES, Dreamcast, etc. Once they stop making them and repairing them, our games become useless.

That's what worries me the most--the longevity of the console down the road--we saw how fast Microsoft dropped support for the Xbox, hope the same doesn't happen to the shoddily built 360. Retro gamers won't be able to play 360 in 2020. I guess they can always rely on remakes and releases...

I still own many of my old consoles, but I have a feeling if I boot up the 360 in years to come, it probably won't work long , if at all.

[Norse]

Everyone has their line. Spending $350 on an item that repeatedly breaks down is one of mine. I don't think it's unreasonable to be upset at a non-functioning purchase.

When people get continuously upset over this I suggest: let MS fix the unit, sell it, get over it and buy a Wii or something.

[violent]

I'm kind of the same way. Mag seems to be new to this game so all I did was share my personal experiences in that regard. A fair courtesy. Where my intentions changed was with the introduction of the "you guys are stupid for not loving MS" guy. An argument ready for it's own thread I'm sure but ignorant nonetheless.

[violent]

When people get continuously upset over this I suggest: let MS fix the unit, sell it, get over it and buy a Wii or something.

But that would make too much sense Norse. That is playing the hand you were dealt. Some folk prefer to convince you that a pair or 2's is still worth betting on because you should be happy to be even playing.

[MagGnome]

No, thats not entirely true. How do you know how many of the newer models are failing? You don't.

How new is "new"? I bought an Elite because everyone thought they would be exempt from the past hardware problems. That certainly wasn't the case, so I'm going to take any claims that the "new" 360s are better with a grain of salt.

[DarkDay]

I'm kind of the same way. Mag seems to be new to this game so all I did was share my personal experiences in that regard. A fair courtesy. Where my intentions changed was with the introduction of the "you guys are stupid for not loving MS" guy. An argument ready for it's own thread I'm sure but ignorant nonetheless.


True story, that shit boggles my mind also, Its friggin MS, they don't need our love, they need to shape their shit up but being that all the games I want are on their crap machine I have but little choice if I want to play the games.

So I weather the storm, but to support them from an emotional level for whatever reason is complete nuts to me amongst other things.

A good dev who makes the games I love, now that I can get behind.
The artists deserve the credit, not multi billion dollar companies.

[violent]

How new is "new". I bought an Elite because everyone thought they would be exempt from the past hardware problems. That certainly wasn't the case, so I'm going to take any claims that the "new" 360s are better with a grain of salt.

Even if there are models out there that don't break, without direct specification of which they are, it's merely an exercise in futility.

[violent]

True story, that shit boggles my mind also, Its friggin MS, they don't need our love, they need to shape their shit up but being that all the games I want are on their crap machine I have but little choice if I want to play the games.

So I weather the storm, but to support them from an emotional level for whatever reason is complete nuts to me amongst other things.

A good dev who makes the games I love, now that I can get behind.
The artists deserve the credit, not multi billion dollar companies.

You're preaching to the choir man. I'm at a complete loss at the motivation of some people. To each their own I suppose. I don't care that you choose to blindly back up a multi-billion dollar corporation, that's your deal, but fuck off if you're gonna shit on someone who refuses to.

[OldJadedGamer]

Everyone has their line. Spending $350 on an item that repeatedly breaks down is one of mine. I don't think it's unreasonable to be upset at a non-functioning purchase. The issue continuously coming up may get a little tiring but as with this situation, it just happened to someone for the first time. As long as we have first timers we can expect these discussions to arise.

Like I've said before, I've been brow beat so bad on my faulty PS2's last gen that when this stuff happens on my 360, I don't think twice. I've only repaired my launch system once but I have had friends that had theirs go down.

Since all my real life friends have 360's we found a used 360 core a year ago for $100 so we jumped on it so now if/when someone's system goes down, they get the loaner so no one is every out of a system.

I'm still waiting for my PS3 to go bad. But I'm screwed there since without a receipt, Sony refuses to repair them even though it's obviously under warranty since the system hasn't even been out for a year.

It sucks for the repair, but the turn around time for all the big console guys is pretty fast. Around a week.

[Cyndair]

Hanging out on a site like this, it's hard not to get 360 fever. I've remained strong and not bought a 360 up until this point because I have a PS3 and an up to date PC. It's a good solution since the only two games I'm really missing out on are Gears and Fable (both of which will probably come to the PC eventually if I'm patient) but it's also a damn expensive solution since the PS3 ain't cheap and computer hardware certainly isn't either.

I think the reason that people get worked up and feel the need to defend either Sony or MS is because they've made a monetary investment. When you put your dollars into a product, you want to feel good about your purchase. If you feel good about it, you want to share the experience with others and advise them to do the same. For some, the fun of the 360 outweighs the frustration of having to send it in for repairs every few months. For others, it doesn't. They put their money behind the 360 and it failed them. Some feel the duty to warn others. It's hard for it not to get personal especially if you don't have a lot of disposable income.

My opinion? Every console that I've ever bought in my 26 years on this planet still works to this day. If I buy something, I want it to last. I know the 360 won't, plain and simple. The other thing is that there is a side of me that screams for justice. I won't give a company money that has a product as shoddy as the 360. I feel like they are getting away with murder and I won't allow it. :p

[violent]

OJG: This is the first console I've had to fail on me. Therefore I'm dealing with that disappointment solely with this console. The next bit of shoddy hardware that comes out though should earn a bit more foreshadowing from my side.

[biosc1]

Shit, im just ranting, I like coming in here and reading others posts, guess im just getting tired of them being derailed by fanboys for either system/company.

Kind of a hypocrite myself I guess now as this is a derail in itself.

Just wanted to say that some of us aren't just fanboys. Heck, if my PS3 broke down, I would go out and get another. Sure it would suck, but I fully admit to being a slave to my hobby.

If, next gen, there are still issues with some hardware, I would probably still buy it if there was software that I really wanted. I did the same with the 360 when Ghost Recon came out.

[Norse]

But that would make too much sense Norse. That is playing the hand you were dealt. Some folk prefer to convince you that a pair or 2's is still worth betting on because you should be happy to be even playing.

Yeah, each to their own. I got my 360 replaced in -06. It was a quick and painless process. I saw no reason to get very upset because of it. Some might though, and I respect that. The 360 cost me half of what my PS3 cost and since I only use my PS3 once in a while I could buy a second 360 and still defend the investment. Gamer's logic :)

I just hope my 60GB PS3 doesn't die, since I've heard it can take months to get it replaced over here :(

[MagGnome]

Mr. MagGnome, if you really want to be safe and you still want to stick with the 360, this is what you do.

Thanks for the idea, but there's no way I'm going out and buying another new console. I spent $500 on my Elite. A stupid thing to do in hindsight, but I heard over and over that the Elites would fix the hardware problems, so I wanted to get the best. I've spent enough money on 360 hardware as it is. That one console cost me more than my Dreamcast, Gamecube, and Xbox last gen. Definitely my fault, and I've learned from that mistake.

I don't want this thread to turn into a lame fanboy war. This isn't about whether Sony or MS is the better company or who's fans have the biggest balls. We've had enough of those threads.


Every time my 360 dies I get really pissed at first then eventually look at it as an intervention. A week or two to appreciate the other things in my life.

However, this (http://store.steampowered.com/app/500/) should cheer you up while you wait. ;)

http://cdn.steampowered.com/v/gfx/apps/500/header.jpg?t=1226103189


I already ordered and pre-loaded it the other day, but thanks for the heads up! :)


I say vote with your wallet. IMO you've given MS enough money and are now paying for it. Don't think because you're getting it fixed the first time that it won't happen again.


This is the direction I'm leaning in right now. I've already dropped around $1000 into my 360 between the console, games, and accessories. I was about to drop in more - new games, and renewing my live subscription. Instead I might take that money and spend it elsewhere. I'm a firm believer in voting with my dollars. While I know a lot of you feel differently, I don't want to invest a lot more money into this system only to have it kick the bucket again in a year or even less.

[OldJadedGamer]

OJG: This is the first console I've had to fail on me. Therefore I'm dealing with that disappointment solely with this console. The next bit of shoddy hardware that comes out though should earn a bit more foreshadowing from my side.

Oh man... the only system that didn't break on me was my original Xbox. Still works to this day but I buy every system at launch (except for the PS3 due to price and the 1080i issue) and all of them including handhelds have stopped working at one point and needed to be repaired. To me, I know that the more complex these systems get, the more likely they are to break down so as long as they have a good repair policy in place I don't get too excited about it and just realize that shit happens. And when shit happens, you have two options. Clean it up or spend all day crying about the smell.

[Skywalkr]

I do understand all the hate, but I have to say its not like every 360 fails on you automatically. I've had my current one since the Feb after launch. Use it pretty heavily, travelled with it, etc. Never a RR of any kind, and my only issue was that leaving disks in it when powering off would cause em to scratch (at least, when I used to have it sitting upright), and some early launch titles would dirty disk occasionally.

So, that's something like 30 months or so this 360's been in operation. It can happen people.

[violent]

Oh man... the only system that didn't break on me was my original Xbox. Still works to this day but I buy every system at launch (except for the PS3 due to price and the 1080i issue) and all of them including handhelds have stopped working at one point and needed to be repaired. To me, I know that the more complex these systems get, the more likely they are to break down so as long as they have a good repair policy in place I don't get too excited about it and just realize that shit happens. And when shit happens, you have two options. Clean it up or spend all day crying about the smell.

While I do agree that shit breaks and whatnot, the 360 issue seems to be excessive. Maybe it's just that it's indeed my first but damn if it isn't widespread.

[violent]

I do understand all the hate, but I have to say its not like every 360 fails on you automatically. I've had my current one since the Feb after launch. Use it pretty heavily, travelled with it, etc. Never a RR of any kind, and my only issue was that leaving disks in it when powering off would cause em to scratch (at least, when I used to have it sitting upright), and some early launch titles would dirty disk occasionally.

So, that's something like 30 months or so this 360's been in operation. It can happen people.

I actually know a lot of people who have claimed to have a fully functional 360 since launch. Impressive really. What's even more impressive is the size of the shadow that overwhelms that number in failures.

[Norse]

I spent $500 on my Elite. A stupid thing to do in hindsight, but I heard over and over that the Elites would fix the hardware problems, so I wanted to get the best.

I think many was fooled into thinking that. The first revision of the Elite used the Zephyr design which only added HDMI. The 65nm Falcon came later.

[MagGnome]

I think the biggest downside to selling my 360 would be the community aspect. As has been mentioned in this thread, this site has a huge 360 following, and I've enjoyed being a part of that and hearing you guys talk about games that I'm playing. Luckily most games are multi-platform these days.

Obviously I've got a week or two to think this all through.

As Dark Day said, I'm lucky that this is my biggest problem, at least today. :p

[Chris_D]

Mine was freezing up and I managed to get a 6 day turn around on it from when it first froze. Helps to be in Japan I think. Anyway, it's a pain in the ass for sure but try to go with the flow :).

[DarkDay]

While I do agree that shit breaks and whatnot, the 360 issue seems to be excessive. Maybe it's just that it's indeed my first but damn if it isn't widespread.

My launch 360 just busted, so I got my moneys worth, I went through a crap ton of ps2's and paid for repairs.

HOWEVER, that being said I have to easily agree with you, my experience seems to have been a bit of an exception.
Hardware mass produced to this level and complexity is bound to be shoddy, but its near impossible to argue from everything I have heard from others on the net that the 360 is the worst pile of shit out them all with the best library, and as gamers its a shitty catch 22 to be stuck in.

For those that scrimped and saved I feel the pain, yes it has a great warranty, but even that seems faulty. Good thing you keep the games rollin ms our this could have been your swan song.

[MagGnome]

I think many was fooled into thinking that. The first revision of the Elite used the Zephyr design which only added HDMI. The 65nm Falcon came later.

Yeah, I should have held off a bit. My PC had just bit the dust and I really wanted to make the switch over to Apple at the time. I figured a 360 would make a good alternative to PC gaming, but it really hasn't. That's not to say that I haven't had a ton of fun with the games I've played on it, but I found myself making a Windows partition on my Mac so that I could play the PC games I was missing out on. I'm weak. :o


For those that scrimped and saved I feel the pain, yes it has a great warranty, but even that seems faulty. Good thing you keep the games rollin ms our this could have been your swan song.


I'm not poor by any means, but I'm definitely not made of money, so I really watch where my dollars go. I just started loosening up the purse strings when my system bit the dust. Unfortunate timing, to say the least.

[rein]

Mag, to show support in your protest of Microsoft, I went Silver today.

Making a stand like that sounds much better than being cheap and waiting for a good deal on the 12 +1 month gold card. :p

[DarkDay]

Just wanted to say that some of us aren't just fanboys. Heck, if my PS3 broke down, I would go out and get another. Sure it would suck, but I fully admit to being a slave to my hobby.

If, next gen, there are still issues with some hardware, I would probably still buy it if there was software that I really wanted. I did the same with the 360 when Ghost Recon came out.

Ya, I kinda blanketed the fanboy, not really fair. Was more of a rant. I will buy where ever the games are even if I know its potential is to fail. Im not a crusader, just a gamer on my spare time.

[MagGnome]

Mag, to show support in your protest of Microsoft, I went Silver today.

Making a stand like that sounds much better than being cheap and waiting for a good deal on the 12 +1 month gold card. :p

Thanks for your support. :p

[violent]

My launch 360 just busted, so I got my moneys worth, I went through a crap ton of ps2's and paid for repairs.

HOWEVER, that being said I have to easily agree with you, my experience seems to have been a bit of an exception.
Hardware mass produced to this level and complexity is bound to be shoddy, but its near impossible to argue from everything I have heard from others on the net that the 360 is the worst pile of shit out them all with the best library, and as gamers its a shitty catch 22 to be stuck in.

For those that scrimped and saved I feel the pain, yes it has a great warranty, but even that seems faulty. Good thing you keep the games rollin ms our this could have been your swan song.

The thing that makes the RRoD conversation an often heated one is just how far from each other the two sides of the spectrum are. On one side, you have everything the 360 does well. Library, community, integration, etc. And on the other you have something that could easily take it all away. While people tend to pick one side and stick to that, they fail to accept the the other side. The truth lies in the middle: something that can give you a whole lot of fulfillment yet can be yanked away from you at any given moment. It's like something out of the bible.

[DarkDay]

Yeah, I should have held off a bit. My PC had just bit the dust and I really wanted to make the switch over to Apple at the time. I figured a 360 would make a good alternative to PC gaming, but it really hasn't. That's not to say that I haven't had a ton of fun with the games I've played on it, but I found myself making a Windows partition on my Mac so that I could play the PC games I was missing out on. I'm weak. :o





I'm not poor by any means, but I'm definitely not made of money, so I really watch where my dollars go. I just started loosening up the purse strings when my system bit the dust. Unfortunate timing, to say the least.


Ya, its not cool no matter how its cut really, I charge an hourly rate regardless of how much one makes, I do not penalize people for having more money, trust fund baby or just hard worker, nor do I reward people for being on the other side.

Money can be relative and 500 to some might mean little, but whether it does or doesn't theres still the principle. Ms needs imo too start taking account of the people who have gone through excessive pain, record it and give them gift cards, perhaps a great break on their next system as a sorry and a thankyou and a please have faith in our next system.

I hate to say this now but I need to stop and go finish gears 2, seriously sorry Mag

[DarkDay]

The thing that makes the RRoD conversation an often heated one is just how far from each other the two sides of the spectrum are. On one side, you have everything the 360 does well. Library, community, integration, etc. And on the other you have something that could easily take it all away. While people tend to pick one side and stick to that, they fail to accept the the other side. The truth lies in the middle: something that can give you a whole lot of fulfillment yet can be yanked away from you at any given moment. It's like something out of the bible.

solid post, end fanboy war in regards to MS.

Lovehatehatelove.......grunt

[Mike Kelehan]

I've had a couple red rings. Their turnaround time is really quick, and it gives us time to catch up on games on other systems. You know you've got DS games that need playing, and that DVR hasn't been clear since you got it, has it?

[DarkDay]

I've had a couple red rings. Their turnaround time is really quick, and it gives us time to catch up on games on other systems. You know you've got DS games that need playing, and that DVR hasn't been clear since you got it, has it?

ha, true that, when mine went I realized how many unplayed ds games I had and it was killer to get back into them. It was like smoking,css,or diablo 2, after about a week I was ok with everything and I went outside too.

[MagGnome]

I've had a couple red rings. Their turnaround time is really quick, and it gives us time to catch up on games on other systems. You know you've got DS games that need playing, and that DVR hasn't been clear since you got it, has it?

My poor little DS has barely been touched all year, except for Professor Layton.

I don't have a DVR, but I do have PC games that need playing. Of course there's always COG, since I never spend enough time here. ;)

[Stmfuller]

Yeah, I should have held off a bit. My PC had just bit the dust and I really wanted to make the switch over to Apple at the time. I figured a 360 would make a good alternative to PC gaming, but it really hasn't. That's not to say that I haven't had a ton of fun with the games I've played on it, but I found myself making a Windows partition on my Mac so that I could play the PC games I was missing out on. I'm weak. :oI dropped out of the pc 'game' when it because cost prohibitive to keep up with the hardware demands. My replacement of it with a console wasn't overnight, but it was worthwhile. I have a box I'm replacing once every 4-5 years instead of one I'm replacing every 6-12 months (and no, not throw away and start over I mean processor/mobo/vid card upgrades etc.). Add to that the addition of rentals of 90% of the games I play through Gamefly...and my hobby has become much more affordable than it used to be. I wouldn't give up the console racket yet. We've just been served a terrible hand this generation with a top console that has a >90% failure rate, a very expensive #2 "hardcore console", and a casual console that serves better as a "second" console than a primary one.

[violent]

My poor little DS has barely been touched all year, except for Professor Layton.

I don't have a DVR, but I do have PC games that need playing. Of course there's always COG, since I never spend enough time here. ;)

I'll touch your DS.

[MagGnome]

I won't give up on console gaming stmfuller, and I agree that this generation is mediocre at best. There have been some great games, but it's the first generation in which I haven't been completely happy with any of the systems on the market. They all have significant issues.

I'll touch your DS.

Now that's a tempting offer. ;)

[Kelegacy]

I received a call from my aunt today, right after initially replying to this thread, who had their 360 die on them, wanted to know what she should do to fix it. I told her it's still in warranty and give Microsoft a call, gave her the # and said what to do.

I've had one 360 die, but it wasn't RRoD. Fucking disc drive. Her's wasn't a RRoD either, but a powerbrick failure. System is a piece of shit, but damn if I don't love it.

It's like we hardcore 360 fans are masochists. We endure the pain because even with the pain comes immense pleasure.

[DarkDay]

I received a call from my aunt today, right after initially replying to this thread, who had their 360 die on them, wanted to know what she should do to fix it. I told her it's still in warranty and give Microsoft a call, gave her the # and said what to do.

I've had one 360 die, but it wasn't RRoD. Fucking disc drive. Her's wasn't a RRoD either, but a powerbrick failure. System is a piece of shit, but damn if I don't love it.

It's like we hardcore 360 fans are masochists. We endure the pain because even with the pain comes immense pleasure.

No shit, stupid machine and its killer library of games. Man, wonder what kind of damage MS would have done if it was one half more reliable.

"goes back to gears 2 and some fable gambling."

[MagGnome]

Apparently I've got some really bad karma going on.

http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?p=72500#post72500

[Hyperglide]

Is this only your first one? Hell i'm already on my third. 15 months does sound about right. Lol I feel for you man but hell it's only your first. Everyone remembers their first time.. :D

[Laughing Penguin]

I actually know a lot of people who have claimed to have a fully functional 360 since launch. Impressive really. What's even more impressive is the size of the shadow that overwhelms that number in failures.


Fow what little it matters in this case, I have a launch system as well, that sees moderate use. Two of my friends bought theirs the same day, one of which gets HEAVY use, and they are still running fine also. It *can* happen...

I had a red ring issue *once*, and that was when I hooked up one of the Nyko Intercooler things to the system. The rings came up, I freaked out and removed it, haven't had a single issue since. YMMV.

[violent]

Fow what little it matters in this case, I have a launch system as well, that sees moderate use. Two of my friends bought theirs the same day, one of which gets HEAVY use, and they are still running fine also. It *can* happen...

I had a red ring issue *once*, and that was when I hooked up one of the Nyko Intercooler things to the system. The rings came up, I freaked out and removed it, haven't had a single issue since. YMMV.

That's the really shitty part. Something so enjoyable yet there is no pattern when it comes to failure. Makes me weary of the whole situation. Like having a harem and knowing a bunch of the women have penises, just don't know which.

[Rune_74]

What's with you and Microsoft anyway? You seem to get your panties in a bunch whenever someone criticizes them. Microsoft has done a lot of good with their 360 but there has been plenty bad. If you can't see that then maybe it's your education that should be questioned.

Hey I have no prob with the complaining whatso ever....its the crap and conjecture by sony fans in how microsoft bought their way in. When a thread like this opens yo uget all kind of crap floating to the surface, whats even more bizarre alot of the stories that are out there(meaning far fetched) is from non system owners. And for the record I was pissed when my red ringed at christmas time last year, you tend to get over it though with the large amount of content and the fact I got it back free with a month of live card. Sure its not the best way but big deal, it happened, I moved on.

[violent]

Hey I have no prob with the complaining whatso ever....its the crap and conjecture by sony fans in how microsoft bought their way in. When a thread like this opens yo uget all kind of crap floating to the surface, whats even more bizarre alot of the stories that are out there(meaning far fetched) is from non system owners. And for the record I was pissed when my red ringed at christmas time last year, you tend to get over it though with the large amount of content and the fact I got it back free with a month of live card. Sure its not the best way but big deal, it happened, I moved on.

If you say so. Not sure how someone saying something to criticize Microsoft makes them a fan of Sony but then hey, like you said, a lot of far fetched stuff in these threads.

[MagGnome]

If you say so. Not sure how someone saying something to criticize Microsoft makes them a fan of Sony but then hey, like you said, a lot of far fetched stuff in these threads.

Clearly you are just too busy performing fellatio Jack Tretton to know any better. :p

[Rune_74]

Ok if your gonna twist it, read why I came after him....bought their way in? Come on....thast getting old now isn't it. But I doubt you will see that.

[GunnyMo]

I've had two RRoD so far and while it's a pain in the ass and I totally feel your pain, Mags, it takes probably less than 3 weeks to get a system back from repair/replace (depending on shipping time. My turn around is about two weeks from the time they send me the shipping box to the time I get the replacement in the mail.

RRoD are pretty much a free repair. Again, pain in the ass but call em, send it in and you'll be playing again soon.

[H.Bogard]

Get it fixed and buy only used games from now on.

[MagGnome]

Get it fixed and buy only used games from now on.

I never buy used games. I had some bad luck with the few that I bought back in the Dreamcast days, and ever since I've been all about new titles.

[ClannerDelta]

Get it fixed and buy only used games from now on.

Where's the logic there? Microsoft fucks you on the hardware so you fuck the devs who provide the software that makes putting up with the shitty hardware worthwhile?

Btw, I thought we were over the console war when everyone found out the PS3 had a mediocre software library and the Xbox 360 spawned the phrase. "I just got my coffin in the mail."

[Skywalkr]

Used games are never the solution. That primarily screws devs.

[MagGnome]

I wouldn't start buying used games. I don't want to reward MS for their shitty hardware, but I don't want to punish the developers either. It's not the developer's fault that the hardware is so poor.

[H.Bogard]

Where's the logic there? Microsoft fucks you on the hardware so you fuck the devs who provide the software that makes putting up with the shitty hardware worthwhile?

Btw, I thought we were over the console war when everyone found out the PS3 had a mediocre software library and the Xbox 360 spawned the phrase. "I just got my coffin in the mail."

Yes, because you just conveniently ignored the fact that developers do all the work, and the money raked in is swallowed up by publishers and console manufacturer royalties. Software sales being the driving factor in the X360 revenues, this is the best way to show your protest.

[Purple Santa]

I'm still waiting for my PS3 to go bad. But I'm screwed there since without a receipt, Sony refuses to repair them even though it's obviously under warranty since the system hasn't even been out for a year.

I had to repair my PS3 while still under warranty. I lost the receipt however the Sony rep said as long as I could prove that I paid for it, they would repair it with no cost to me. I bought mine with my debit card and sent with the PS3 a copy of my bank statement (all personal info blacked out). If you bought the PS3 with a credit card, you just need a copy of the statement. So you aren't screwed as long as you didn't pay cash...

It's like we hardcore 360 fans are masochists. We endure the pain because even with the pain comes immense pleasure.

Hello, mine name is Purple Santa and i'm a 360 masochist :D.

[mister slim]

You guys all make good points.

I'll at least play more of the games I have now, and go from there. I am hesitant to buy many more for it though. :/

Yeah, I put off buying Gears 2 until NXE comes out and I can find out how well it works with my dysfunctional DVD drive. Multiplatform stuff I almost always buy on the PS3 now.

[ClannerDelta]

conveniently ignored

Uh, no I didn't. You're just conveniently ignoring the fact that if you only buy used games then the Devs get no money and Microsoft still gets the money you paid for the console.

Care to try again?

[neutralism]

Hmm, I don't recall ever playing against you on Live... :confused:

Therefore, you have my sympathy for your current frustration. :(

Finally, I believe all of us will always be Microsoft customers, in one way, shape, form, or another, until the end of our collective days...

(I read this thread while listening to a looping mp3 of the Castle Crashers Map Theme. :) )

[jpublic]

You know, it just occured to me that my 360, the grand and noble 'Magic360' that, while being a launch 360, has not failed or shown any sort of crashes/bugs/whatever, it now off warranty.

I can practically see the 'Doom' clock running over it.

[mister slim]

You know, it just occured to me that my 360, the grand and noble 'Magic360' that, while being a launch 360, has not failed or shown any sort of crashes/bugs/whatever, it now off warranty.

I can practically see the 'Doom' clock running over it.

Hey, you've still got a week left of RROD warranty.

[Stoke]

Hey, you've still got a week left of RROD warranty.
He better toss that sucker in the tub stat.

[MalReynolds]

Doooooooom clocck

[jpublic]

He better toss that sucker in the tub stat.

Eh. It fails, it fails. I'll pick up a 120GB one or something, they're only $400 now, I can take that easily. Would be nice to get another wireless controller and a 120GB HD. HDMI wouldn't be bad, either.

Especially since they now have that tool to xfer XBLA registration.

[DarkDay]

I would say wrap it in a towel, that is after you call for your coffin, but chances are the one you have will go the distance while the one they send back will burn on ya.

My launch went 3 years, thats more than I expected after my ps2 days, but for the rest


FUK YOU MS, o and thanks for the games...devs

[MagGnome]

*sigh* Seriously, what a day. I'm so exhausted now. All my plans for gaming went right out the window, as usual. :(

[Kelegacy]

*sigh* Seriously, what a day. I'm so exhausted now. All my plans for gaming went right out the window, as usual. :(

No worries young man. Just buy a PSP and you'll be good to go. You own a DS, right?

Problem with me is, if my 360 died tomorrow and couldn't be fixed, I'd buy another. Probably an Arcade unit (already have the harddrive). Yes, I'm sick. I own two, one broken that works sometimes, and one Arcade with my premium HDD in it. But I would definitely buy another. It will cost me $150 to get my PS3 fixed. For another 50 bucks I can get a completely new console.

I have no luck with electronics either, man. Our new coffee pot died earlier in the year, PS3 and 360 both died because of disc drives. Had to get my LCD television replaced because something broke inside and it was darker than hell and I couldn't see anything. My PS2 wouldn't turn on and is dead--I tried to plug it in a few weeks ago and NOTHING. My car had an electrical issue and lost the spedometer and all other dash instruments. Even my fucking WATCH died! And it's run by battery!! Had to return it for a new one, since it wasn't even 6 months old yet.

Shit goes wrong with me so often I don't know where to begin. I even had to take an antibiotic because one of the nodes in my thigh, near my groin, was infected, probably from a scratch or something, and I noticed the area getting painful while having doggystyle sex one night. And now, I have to have surgery on my ass because of a lump growing inside me.

And my cat has asthma, I have to get up in the middle of the night when he has attacks to give him his two medications.

Oh, and I have a girlfriend who is pregnant and keeps going in for bloodwork because she's bleeding out her who-ha when she shouldn't be. She and the baby are fine, but she's secretly stressing ME out and scaring me more than I ever thought possible.

/misery loves company

[pomeroy]

I love how we're so open in the community, I really do...

But damn.

[Kelegacy]

I love how we're so open in the community, I really do...

But damn.

I was trying to make him feel better.

I'm not miserable, I have a good life. But sometimes it helps you feel better when you hear other peoples' shit. :)

Plus, I love being ridiculously open. Makes people uncomfortable. I like that. :)

[mister slim]

No worries young man. Just buy a PSP and you'll be good to go. You own a DS, right?

Problem with me is, if my 360 died tomorrow and couldn't be fixed, I'd buy another. Probably an Arcade unit (already have the harddrive). Yes, I'm sick. I own two, one broken that works sometimes, and one Arcade with my premium HDD in it. But I would definitely buy another. It will cost me $150 to get my PS3 fixed. For another 50 bucks I can get a completely new console.

I have no luck with electronics either, man. Our new coffee pot died earlier in the year, PS3 and 360 both died because of disc drives. Had to get my LCD television replaced because something broke inside and it was darker than hell and I couldn't see anything. My PS2 wouldn't turn on and is dead--I tried to plug it in a few weeks ago and NOTHING. My car had an electrical issue and lost the spedometer and all other dash instruments. Even my fucking WATCH died! And it's run by battery!! Had to return it for a new one, since it wasn't even 6 months old yet.

Shit goes wrong with me so often I don't know where to begin. I even had to take an antibiotic because one of the nodes in my thigh, near my groin, was infected, probably from a scratch or something, and I noticed the area getting painful while having doggystyle sex one night. And now, I have to have surgery on my ass because of a lump growing inside me.

And my cat has asthma, I have to get up in the middle of the night when he has attacks to give him his two medications.

Oh, and I have a girlfriend who is pregnant and keeps going in for bloodwork because she's bleeding out her who-ha when she shouldn't be. She and the baby are fine, but she's secretly stressing ME out and scaring me more than I ever thought possible.

/misery loves company
I would say that every one of your problems would be fixed by the application of Bondo.

But...

As a Mainer you should be quite familiar with the power of Bondo.

[MagGnome]

Wow, Kelegacy. I do feel better. My day may have been shitty, but you definitely trumped it!

Yesterday was really just the icing on a shit cake for me. I've been feeling really "meh" lately about everything. Life is general just doesn't hold any spark for me right now, and I've found myself pushing people away for silly reasons. I'm probably depressed.

[Purple Santa]

Wow, Kelegacy. I do feel better. My day may have been shitty, but you definitely trumped it!

Yesterday was really just the icing on a shit cake for me. I've been feeling really "meh" lately about everything. Life is general just doesn't hold any spark for me right now, and I've found myself pushing people away for silly reasons. I'm probably depressed.

What do you think you can do to make yourself undepressed? I'm being serious for a change. A rare occurrence but...

[MagGnome]

What do you think you can do to make yourself undepressed? I'm being serious for a change. A rare occurrence but...

I think it will just take time. I'm already feeling better today than I have during the last week or so, although I don't want to return to work tomorrow. :p

[Kelegacy]

Hey Gnome, my 360 got the RRoD tonight while updating to NXE. It downloaded and installed, but just before the Avatar creation screen it had some weird greenish checkerboard pattern and I said, "Ut oh". It's actually a blessing since it was my original 360 that had a broken DVD drive (reads movies but not games? WTF?).

Anyway, it wasn't my only 360---I have another I play on these days. Bought it after the other one shit to bed. Now I'll have 2 working 360s once I get this one back from Microsoft in a month or so. Thank God I still have this one or I'd be one pissed off puppy.

[Gormanimal]

Wow, Kelegacy, your lucky streak appears to be never ending.

[vodkajello]

My 360 RRODed on Nov 14. Got the coffin the night of the 19th.

We'll see how soon it takes to come back. I might go into Rock Band 2 withdrawls.

[Narradisall]

My elite died after 8 months of having it (hard drive failure though).

I got someones older shitty refurb back which I am now going to install all my games on that i play ergular so the disc drive won't die again. (I hope)

[Elrik Murder]

Wow, Kelegacy. I do feel better. My day may have been shitty, but you definitely trumped it!

Yesterday was really just the icing on a shit cake for me. I've been feeling really "meh" lately about everything. Life is general just doesn't hold any spark for me right now, and I've found myself pushing people away for silly reasons. I'm probably depressed.

You know, I've been feeling the same way lately. Almost exactly the same. Scary! :eek:

Kelegacy, are you Magneto? Sounds like you're subconsciously producing EM fields to fry your equipment.

[LongStepMantis]

I have no luck with electronics either, man. Our new coffee pot died earlier in the year, PS3 and 360 both died because of disc drives. Had to get my LCD television replaced because something broke inside and it was darker than hell and I couldn't see anything. My PS2 wouldn't turn on and is dead--I tried to plug it in a few weeks ago and NOTHING. My car had an electrical issue and lost the spedometer and all other dash instruments. Even my fucking WATCH died! And it's run by battery!! Had to return it for a new one, since it wasn't even 6 months old yet.



Hang in there man, we're pulling for ya!

Also your electronics woes, especially with your watch, remind me of my sister. She can't even wear a watch because they just stop working. Every computer she's owned has burned itself out in record time. My family firmly believes she is one of those "magnetic field" people who can't go near electronics. Have you had problems with other watches or electronics devices you keep close to your body? Just curious.

[vodkajello]

My elite died after 8 months of having it (hard drive failure though).

I got someones older shitty refurb back which I am now going to install all my games on that i play ergular so the disc drive won't die again. (I hope)

That sucks. Good bye save games. :-(

I've never tried, but can you copy saves to a USB connected HDD to back them up? 360 mem card?

[vodkajello]

No worries young man. Just buy a PSP and you'll be good to go. You own a DS, right?

Problem with me is, if my 360 died tomorrow and couldn't be fixed, I'd buy another. Probably an Arcade unit (already have the harddrive). Yes, I'm sick. I own two, one broken that works sometimes, and one Arcade with my premium HDD in it. But I would definitely buy another. It will cost me $150 to get my PS3 fixed. For another 50 bucks I can get a completely new console.

I have no luck with electronics either, man. Our new coffee pot died earlier in the year, PS3 and 360 both died because of disc drives. Had to get my LCD television replaced because something broke inside and it was darker than hell and I couldn't see anything. My PS2 wouldn't turn on and is dead--I tried to plug it in a few weeks ago and NOTHING. My car had an electrical issue and lost the spedometer and all other dash instruments. Even my fucking WATCH died! And it's run by battery!! Had to return it for a new one, since it wasn't even 6 months old yet.

Shit goes wrong with me so often I don't know where to begin. I even had to take an antibiotic because one of the nodes in my thigh, near my groin, was infected, probably from a scratch or something, and I noticed the area getting painful while having doggystyle sex one night. And now, I have to have surgery on my ass because of a lump growing inside me.

And my cat has asthma, I have to get up in the middle of the night when he has attacks to give him his two medications.

Oh, and I have a girlfriend who is pregnant and keeps going in for bloodwork because she's bleeding out her who-ha when she shouldn't be. She and the baby are fine, but she's secretly stressing ME out and scaring me more than I ever thought possible.

/misery loves company

Keep your head up mate! Life gets better when you have a kid. It reminds me what is important in life every time my little girl smiles at me or makes a sqweaky little noise of joy.

As for the electronic destruction field, I've been getting it lately too. Our built in microwave fried, our DS broke, the AC adapter to our macbook, and now the 360. Strange things are afoot!

I do not have an asthmatic pet though, so I guess i'm off the hook there. I do have a crazy sister in law that drives my wife batty.

Don't let it get you down and take care of that woman!

[Elrik Murder]

Hang in there man, we're pulling for ya!

Also your electronics woes, especially with your watch, remind me of my sister. She can't even wear a watch because they just stop working. Every computer she's owned has burned itself out in record time. My family firmly believes she is one of those "magnetic field" people who can't go near electronics. Have you had problems with other watches or electronics devices you keep close to your body? Just curious.

That's what I had surmised. I too know someone with the same symptoms.

Or could be just the irregular influx of static during these cold times. I'm getting shocked like crazy around here.

[MagGnome]

Hey Gnome, my 360 got the RRoD tonight while updating to NXE. It downloaded and installed, but just before the Avatar creation screen it had some weird greenish checkerboard pattern and I said, "Ut oh". It's actually a blessing since it was my original 360 that had a broken DVD drive (reads movies but not games? WTF?).

Anyway, it wasn't my only 360---I have another I play on these days. Bought it after the other one shit to bed. Now I'll have 2 working 360s once I get this one back from Microsoft in a month or so. Thank God I still have this one or I'd be one pissed off puppy.

You're lucky that you have a backup. I'd love to check out the NXE and Kingdom for Keflings, but alas I cannot. I've been playing Left 4 Dead instead. :D


You know, I've been feeling the same way lately. Almost exactly the same. Scary! :eek:

It sounds like we should start some kind of group therapy sessions.

[MagGnome]

Update:

My coffin arrived yesterday, and I packaged everything up today. I broke the stupid foam thing that was supposed to cushion my 360, so I hope it doesn't jostle around. My roommate drove me to the nearest UPS store, where the cute clerk instantly recognized the box and said "Broken 360 eh?" GG Microsoft. :rolleyes:

[pomeroy]

Update:

My coffin arrived yesterday, and I packaged everything up today. I broke the stupid foam thing that was supposed to cushion my 360, so I hope it doesn't jostle around. My roommate drove me to the nearest UPS store, where the cute clerk instantly recognized the box and said "Broken 360 eh?" GG Microsoft. :rolleyes:

Having some friends that work at UPS has definitely educated me on the volume of 360s that are being shipped. It's huge.

[MagGnome]

Having some friends that work at UPS has definitely educated me on the volume of 360s that are being shipped. It's huge.

The guy at the store said they used to get 6/day, although it has slowed down some recently.

[Purple Santa]

You might have it back by next weekend. Then we get to see your avatar :).

[Narradisall]

That sucks. Good bye save games. :-(

I've never tried, but can you copy saves to a USB connected HDD to back them up? 360 mem card?

It was all on my HD which I kept, so I just plugged it into my new (see old refurb) and it was all safe.

Now I'm just waiting on this one to die.

[MagGnome]

You might have it back by next weekend. Then we get to see your avatar :).

I'm hoping I'll be able to get it back. I'm not home during the day, and UPS delivers to my building between 10am and 2pm. I don't have any PTO left, so staying home is NOT an option. I do have December 5th off, so I'm hoping that's the delivery day. Otherwise I'm going to see if there is a way for my roommate and to just pick it up at the UPS center or something.


Hopefully the thing comes back in mint condition and never dies again.

[Deunnero]

Hopefully the thing comes back in mint condition and never dies again.

I shipped console #4 yesterday, awaiting #5.

I didn't even have RRoD, it had a disc drive issue.

They will replace it.

They also gave me a full year warranty (covers console, disc drive and HDD) on top of that.

I will likely get some more goodies.


Hope you have/had as good an experience with them as I did.

Then again, I live in Canada, things are better here. Plus you'd benefit from our open collective mind. :D

[TrackZero]

And once again in one of these threads, I point out my launch unit is still running fine and like a tank. (Maybe I've got a "Magic 360", heh.)

[TrackZero]

My family firmly believes she is one of those "magnetic field" people who can't go near electronics. Have you had problems with other watches or electronics devices you keep close to your body? Just curious.

Magnetic what now?

[MagGnome]

And once again in one of these threads, I point out my launch unit is still running fine and like a tank. (Maybe I've got a "Magic 360", heh.)

And once again in one of these threads, I point out what a colossal dick you are for rubbing it in. :p

[Schnoogs]

They will replace it...you will be playing games again in a few weeks....problem solved.

[LarsenNET]

And once again in one of these threads, I point out my launch unit is still running fine and like a tank. (Maybe I've got a "Magic 360", heh.)

Same here, hopefully this doesn't jinx it :(

Although it's loud when it boots for about 2 minutes but it has been doing that for 1.5-2 years. I've had maybe 5-6 locks ups the whole time.

[CptTripps]

Some other things I just thought of:

A) How long will it take to get the coffin, send it in, and get the system back? Is MS going to extend my Live subscription for the weeks I'm going to lose? (haha)

B)I live in an apartment building, and receiving packages is a PITA. Just great.

I know I should have seen this coming, but it still sucks. I've definitely learned a lesson here.

Oh, I also just bought a nice HDTV just for this system. Now I'm thinking I should have built a new PC instead. :p

My turn around was about 10 days from filling out the form. I got my same console back but quieter and they gave me some crappy arcade game for the hassle. 2 out of 3 aint bad. Oh, this was from Alaska which always adds an extra day to shipping both ways.

[CptTripps]

And once again in one of these threads, I point out my launch unit is still running fine and like a tank. (Maybe I've got a "Magic 360", heh.)

My launch system died last month. No indication at all, one minute it was fine and the next it was dead. I thought mine was magic too :)

[vodkajello]

Update:

My coffin arrived yesterday, and I packaged everything up today. I broke the stupid foam thing that was supposed to cushion my 360, so I hope it doesn't jostle around. My roommate drove me to the nearest UPS store, where the cute clerk instantly recognized the box and said "Broken 360 eh?" GG Microsoft. :rolleyes:

I got the same reaction when I took mine in on friday. The guy said they get 5 to 10 in everyday. There are 5 locations in Calgary. Multiply that by the cities with over 500000 people and you have a billion dollar shot storm.

[KingGorilla]

And once again in one of these threads, I point out my launch unit is still running fine and like a tank. (Maybe I've got a "Magic 360", heh.)

It is that orphan blood you spread on it each Sunday at Midnight.

[MagGnome]

Update:

Microsoft really needs to get their shit together. I was notified last week that they received my 360, and then subsequently received several e-mails from them saying that my console had not yet arrived and asking whether or not I would like to cancel my order. Frustrated and perplexed, I called them and discovered that my system had already been repaired and was on the way back to me. They could not give me a tracking number, for whatever reason. Hence I had no way of knowing when the damn thing would arrive.

It arrived yesterday, around 10am. Of course I did not know this at the time, as I had no tracking information. They attempted to deliver it, then left a note at the OTHER half of the building from where I live, on the door that I never use. I'm lucky that I decided to go over there after work on a hunch, and sure enough there was a note for me from UPS. The note said that they would try again tomorrow (now today, Friday) between 10:30 and 2pm.

Luckily I have today off from work, so I figured I was set. I decided to take a quick shower at 9:50. My fucking mistake. They arrived at 10:08, called, and then left. I am so pissed. Who the hell is home at 10am on a Friday anyway? How am I supposed to be around to get the damn thing? I called UPS' hotline and told the computer over and over that I wanted a real person, so I was finally connected to one. The lady I talked to informed me that the driver has left my area and cannot return today, but that they will try again on Monday morning. I told her that I have a job, and so I will not be home Monday morning, or any other morning. She told me I could pick it up at the UPS center. I agreed to this, even though it is way the hell up in the northern part of the city. Right in the ghetto actually - nice job guys!

I don't have a car, so now I have to call my friends until I can convince one of them to drive me up there so I can get this damn console back.

In summary, I'm annoy at Microsoft for building such a piece of shit, and I'm annoyed at UPS for having ridiculous hours and not sending the damn thing to the store that's three blocks away from me.

[EternalGamer]

Update:

Microsoft really needs to get their shit together. I was notified last week that they received my 360, and then subsequently received several e-mails from them saying that my console had not yet arrived and asking whether or not I would like to cancel my order. Frustrated and perplexed, I called them and discovered that my system had already been repaired and was on the way back to me. They could not give me a tracking number, for whatever reason. Hence I had no way of knowing when the damn thing would arrive.

It arrived yesterday, around 10am. Of course I did not know this at the time, as I had no tracking information. They attempted to deliver it, then left a note at the OTHER half of the building from where I live, on the door that I never use. I'm lucky that I decided to go over there after work on a hunch, and sure enough there was a note for me from UPS. The note said that they would try again tomorrow (now today, Friday) between 10:30 and 2pm.

Luckily I have today off from work, so I figured I was set. I decided to take a quick shower at 9:50. My fucking mistake. They arrived at 10:08, called, and then left. I am so pissed. Who the hell is home at 10am on a Friday anyway? How am I supposed to be around to get the damn thing? I called UPS' hotline and told the computer over and over that I wanted a real person, so I was finally connected to one. The lady I talked to informed me that the driver has left my area and cannot return today, but that they will try again on Monday morning. I told her that I have a job, and so I will not be home Monday morning, or any other morning. She told me I could pick it up at the UPS center. I agreed to this, even though it is way the hell up in the northern part of the city. Right in the ghetto actually - nice job guys!

I don't have a car, so now I have to call my friends until I can convince one of them to drive me up there so I can get this damn console back.

In summary, I'm annoy at Microsoft for building such a piece of shit, and I'm annoyed at UPS for having ridiculous hours and not sending the damn thing to the store that's three blocks away from me.

I don't know what your problem is. MS is the company that truly gets their "community."

Sure, you have to send back broken consoles every 6 months, their tech support sucks, they price gouge you on proprietary harddrive space, and charge you a yearly fee to stare at all their advertisements on XBox Live, but they send people you don't know "well wishes" on their newborn babies. They get it, but apparently you don't. You need to get "Inside Xbox." "Live in your moment" and understand that "It's good to play together." Learn to grab your balls and "Jump in" properly. MS is totally awesome. The problem isn't them, it's you.

Also, UPS: They display sychronicity. They allow you to move products across town or around the globe. You clearly don't know what the Brown can do for you.

[TrackZero]

Update:

Microsoft really needs to get their shit together. I was notified last week that they received my 360, and then subsequently received several e-mails from them saying that my console had not yet arrived and asking whether or not I would like to cancel my order. Frustrated and perplexed, I called them and discovered that my system had already been repaired and was on the way back to me. They could not give me a tracking number, for whatever reason. Hence I had no way of knowing when the damn thing would arrive.

It arrived yesterday, around 10am. Of course I did not know this at the time, as I had no tracking information. They attempted to deliver it, then left a note at the OTHER half of the building from where I live, on the door that I never use. I'm lucky that I decided to go over there after work on a hunch, and sure enough there was a note for me from UPS. The note said that they would try again tomorrow (now today, Friday) between 10:30 and 2pm.

Luckily I have today off from work, so I figured I was set. I decided to take a quick shower at 9:50. My fucking mistake. They arrived at 10:08, called, and then left. I am so pissed. Who the hell is home at 10am on a Friday anyway? How am I supposed to be around to get the damn thing? I called UPS' hotline and told the computer over and over that I wanted a real person, so I was finally connected to one. The lady I talked to informed me that the driver has left my area and cannot return today, but that they will try again on Monday morning. I told her that I have a job, and so I will not be home Monday morning, or any other morning. She told me I could pick it up at the UPS center. I agreed to this, even though it is way the hell up in the northern part of the city. Right in the ghetto actually - nice job guys!

I don't have a car, so now I have to call my friends until I can convince one of them to drive me up there so I can get this damn console back.

In summary, I'm annoy at Microsoft for building such a piece of shit, and I'm annoyed at UPS for having ridiculous hours and not sending the damn thing to the store that's three blocks away from me.

UPS is always a clusterfuck of mistakes.

[Cit Phil Cit]

...

In summary, I'm annoy at Microsoft for building such a piece of shit, and I'm annoyed at UPS for having ridiculous hours and not sending the damn thing to the store that's three blocks away from me.



Comon, sell that annoying 360 and get yourself a nice shiny PC - you won't get away from Sony or Microsoft. But, I guarantee that 60% of the time, your PC works everytime.

[MalReynolds]

ya but he has to update his PC like every year with new Parts so ...

[violent]

ya but he has to update his PC like every year with new Parts so ...

This is very untrue.

[Cit Phil Cit]

ya but he has to update his PC like every year with new Parts so ...

This is absolute and total truth. Thankfully much unlike the Caramilk secret, many us know the unsecret cryptic rites and rituals to make magic PCs.

[MagGnome]

I don't know what your problem is. MS is the company that truly gets their "community."

Sure, you have to send back broken consoles every 6 months, their tech support sucks, they price gouge you on proprietary harddrive space, and charge you a yearly fee to stare at all their advertisements on XBox Live, but they send people you don't know "well wishes" on their newborn babies. They get it, but apparently you don't. You need to get "Inside Xbox." "Live in your moment" and understand that "It's good to play together." Learn to grab your balls and "Jump in" properly. MS is totally awesome. The problem isn't them, it's you.

Also, UPS: They display sychronicity. They allow you to move products across town or around the globe. You clearly don't know what the Brown can do for you.

Haha, thanks for the laughs. :)


Comon, sell that annoying 360 and get yourself a nice shiny PC - you won't get away from Sony or Microsoft. But, I guarantee that 60% of the time, your PC works everytime.


I've decided to keep the thing once it finally returns, but I'm definitely going to change my game buying habits. I'm going to try out Gamefly and just play games that way. Then I don't have to worry about buying a ton of games for a system that could die at any moment. I'll buy games on the PC, especially once I build a rig this spring.


This is very untrue.

But don't you see - you need a new $500 videocard every year or your PC will explode!! FUD FTW! :p

[violent]

But don't you see - you need a new $500 videocard every year or your PC will explode!! FUD FTW! :p

Okay fine, I'll bite. Hark be thine device which delivers us thine pleasures only to beg for care attainable only from thy barters of 50 bits of livestock! Hark! Hark I say! The Heavens!

[Kelegacy]

I mailed my 360 out on Monday and haven't heard anything from them yet. I sure hope I get an update soon, that they at least received it.

[MagGnome]

I mailed my 360 out on Monday and haven't heard anything from them yet. I sure hope I get an update soon, that they at least received it.


You might get the same e-mail I did.

Dear XXXXXXXXXXXXXX,

Xbox Customer Support ID#: XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Serial Number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

This e-mail is to let you know that we have received your request for service. However as of today, we have not received your Xbox console and would like to verify that you wish to continue with the service.

If you have not received the shipping materials or are having a problem with the shipment, please contact Xbox Customer Support. If your Xbox console no longer requires service, you can cancel your order by accessing http://service.xbox.com/servicesignin.aspx. You will need your Windows Live ID and Xbox console Serial Number included above to access the status of your order. Once you have logged in, click on "Review your repair status". Or, please let us know and we will cancel the order for you. If we do not receive the Xbox console within 30 calendar days from the date you first requested service, your order will be automatically cancelled. If you wait longer than 30 days, this service request will no longer be valid and a new service request will be required.

If you have questions about this service, you can check our contact options for Xbox Customer Support on www.xbox.com/support

Note: Please do not reply to this message, as it is not a monitored e-mail address.


They sent me two of these e-mails, even though they had in fact received my console, repaired it, and sent it back. Good job guys!

[MagGnome]

So now I have my system back....and it's making this loud whirring sound.

Annoying, and scary. Anyone know what's going on? Sounds like the fan is out of whack.

[Kelegacy]

Uh oh, Mags. I wouldn't fret about it right now, but if it keeps up give them a call. Have you tried installing games to the HDD yet? Does that get rid of the whirring? You have a 120gb, use that suckah.

In related news, I have yet to receive an email from Microsoft saying they received my console, but when I punched in my repair # online, it says it has been received. Thank goodness.

Hopefully mine comes back in better shape than BEFORE the repair. I've heard the horror stories.

[MagGnome]

There isn't a game in the drive, and it's making the whirring anyway. For all I know it made the noise before, and I've just forgotten. :p

I'm hoping mine is indeed fixed. I'll keep my fingers crossed. I can finally try Kingdom for Keflings!

The NXE is pretty slick. I made an avatar and checked out all of the stuff. There's a LOT of information there, and seeing everyone else's avatars is pretty cool. Some of them made me laugh out loud.

I wish there were more options for the avatars, especially clothing. Mine sort of looks like me, I guess.

[Generation ABXY]

Anyone know what's going on?

Yeah, it's running. I have never seen a system so loud as the Xbox 360; perhaps it just seems more so because you've been without it for a bit. (EDIT: As you apparently said in the post above, which I somehow didn't see.)

Either way, congratulations on getting your system back!

[sparkfizt]

I desperately want mine to red-ring. My disk drive is dying and occassionally will scratch a disk... I've had it for like 2 years now and it's never red ringed. I was the first one to buy an xbox amongst my friends, and yet all of theirs have red ringed while mine is still alive :(

[MagGnome]

Yeah, it's running. I have never seen a system so loud as the Xbox 360; perhaps it just seems more so because you've been without it for a bit. (EDIT: As you apparently said in the post above, which I somehow didn't see.)

Either way, congratulations on getting your system back!


Yeah, I think it's just the noisy console. I'd forgotten how loud it is. After a while I barely noticed.

Until my roommate came home and asked why I had the TV cranked up so loud. :p

[MagGnome]

Does anyone know how to delete games from my Achievement list? I thought that the NXE allowed you to delete games you never actually got any achievements in (demos, etc.) from the list, but I can't figure out how.

[Banacek]

The thing that sucks is that there are too many games for the 360 that I want to play, so if my 360 breaks again I'm going to grin and bear it. What I won't be doing is buying their new system when it comes out. I've learned my lesson.

[Ondo]

Does anyone know how to delete games from my Achievement list? I thought that the NXE allowed you to delete games you never actually got any achievements in (demos, etc.) from the list, but I can't figure out how.
You can only do it from the guide, not the main interface, which is tacky.

Just pull up your achievements in the guide and scroll down to a game with 0 gamerscore and it'll list the button to delete it.

[MagGnome]

You can only do it from the guide, not the main interface, which is tacky.

Just pull up your achievements in the guide and scroll down to a game with 0 gamerscore and it'll list the button to delete it.


Thanks! I guess I hadn't tried the guide.

I have around 10 or so games that I barely played and have been on my Xbox list forever, so I'll be glad to be rid of them.

[Purple Santa]

I was so hoping you would stick to your guns and get rid of your 360. I needed another one...

[MagGnome]

I was so hoping you would stick to your guns and get rid of your 360. I needed another one...

Nope, I'm keeping it. :p

I just finished signing up for Gamefly. Now I need to figure out what games I should rent first.


Oh, they have Cubivore!

[civil]

I just finished signing up for Gamefly. Now I need to figure out what games I should rent first.
*ahem*

Gears of War 2 and Burnout Paradise, bitch.

[Grifter]

I've decided to keep the thing once it finally returns, but I'm definitely going to change my game buying habits. I'm going to try out Gamefly and just play games that way.

I just finished signing up for Gamefly. Now I need to figure out what games I should rent first.

Gamefly has been the best purchase I have made in years. I have been a member for 3 months now and have played:

Culdcept Saga,
Project Sylpheed: Arc of Deception,
Fable 2,
Infinite Undiscovery,
Gears of War 2,
Call of Duty: World at War and
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed

Mercenaries 2: World in Flames and Prince of Persia should be sitting in my mailbox as we speak (gonna go check right now) all for less than $50. The turn around time seems to be about a week from the time I mail the disk to the time I pull a new one out of the box. Shorter if the post office scans it.

[Sl1pstream]

But, I guarantee that 60% of the time, your PC works everytime.

That made me lol. That's a guarantee? Really?

[Generation ABXY]

Gamefly has been the best purchase I have made in years. I have been a member for 3 months now and have played:

Culdcept Saga,
Project Sylpheed: Arc of Deception,
Fable 2,
Infinite Undiscovery,
Gears of War 2,
Call of Duty: World at War and
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed

Mercenaries 2: World in Flames and Prince of Persia should be sitting in my mailbox as we speak (gonna go check right now) all for less than $50. The turn around time seems to be about a week from the time I mail the disk to the time I pull a new one out of the box. Shorter if the post office scans it.

Hmmm, I'm starting to think I should look into GameFly. I get my games for free, but I don't get to play everything I'd like; putting out a little scratch each month seems a small price to pay for that.

[Kelegacy]

I desperately want mine to red-ring. My disk drive is dying and occassionally will scratch a disk... I've had it for like 2 years now and it's never red ringed. I was the first one to buy an xbox amongst my friends, and yet all of theirs have red ringed while mine is still alive :(

Overheat it by placing tape over the vents. Then cram it into the freezer. Wash, repeat.

That is just solutions you'll get on the internet if you Google it. Mine worked fine with a DVD drive that worked 2% of the time for games and 80% of the time for movies. So we bought a new one, kept using the other one a few times for movies...and then the NXE came out. I updated the wonky 360 so my girlfriend could tool around with the avatars, it said to press A to proceed, I did and it died. Red Rings...never been so happy to see those fuckin' lights.

[Kelegacy]

Nope, I'm keeping it. :p

I just finished signing up for Gamefly. Now I need to figure out what games I should rent first.


Oh, they have Cubivore!

Let us know how you like it. I thought it a good service, just a bit slow. I get up to 4 games a month, making it slightly cheaper than going to the video store. However, I do more waiting than playing and it's wearing on my satisfaction of the service.

I'm canceling this month, but your enjoyment all depends on where you live. I get my games from Pennsylvania, and it's about a 4-5 day wait to GET the game, and that same time or more for them to tell me they've received the games back. So it's almost a new game every 2 weeks.

For example, Purple Santa lives in Jersey, I live in Maine. We both got notices that our games were shipped out the same day, he got his today and I have to wait until Monday at the earliest. Last time I had a game from Gamefly was...well, I think around November 20th. And if I get a game from them on December 8th, well...it just takes too dang long.

[EternalGamer]

Gamefly takes around 5-6 days to turn around for me too, but it doesn't bother me because it is by far my best rental option. I know that there is no way I would be able to find games at local rental stores the day they came out and I hate late fees and not being able to play games on my own schedule.

I do the 2 game plan (which I upped to 3 games for just Nov-Dec as cheaper alternative to buying another new release) which means I always have something from them to play, even while I'm waiting for the other game to turn over.

Besides that, the sale deals from them are pretty great. There are a number of months throughout the year where I save enough money on a game purchase through them to cover the cost of the entire rental fee for the month. It's not uncommon to get brand new releases from them for $20 cheaper the day they come out. And I can't count the number of times it has saved me from impulse purchases of new $60 titles. Fallout 3, Fable 2, DeadSpace, and Prince of Persia just in the last couple of months. That's $240 of games I might have ended up purchasing had I not had GF in just the last two months.

It's also one of the best places to bargain shop for deals. I'm actually using it to buy Xmas presents for my parents to give to my two brothers. My mom also asked me to pick out a few for myself and I have always refused that idea in the past (it doesnt' seem like much of a "gift"t to me if you are just giving someone a list and even less when you are actually buying it), but there are so many great deals on GF right now that I took her up on the offer. So for $60, I picked up the following as Xmas Presents for myself from my parents:

Dark Sector (360) $4.69 (after $5 coupon)
Conan (360) $8.99
Guitar Hero Aerosmith (360) $13.49
Culdsept Saga (360) $13.49
Condemned 2 (360) $11.69

Total: $52.35 including shipping and tax.


That's pretty good for 5 good 360 games, all of which were released this year. For comparison, I was at Best Buy today and saw GH: Aerosmith for $40, Condemned 2 for $30, and Dark Sector for $20.

[Grifter]

If you have the two games out plan and you time it right tou should never be without something to play. I almost always have one game in the mail and one game in the 360, I also live in Reno which is about 8-10 hours from one of the hubs so I average a 4 day turn around, 2 to return, 2 to receive.

[MagGnome]

*ahem*

Gears of War 2 and Burnout Paradise, bitch.


I thought about adding both of those, but I didn't :p

I'll definitely add them to my queue though, and move them up towards the top!

Which would you rather play? I don't want to rent them both at once.

Just FYI - I suck at both of them. ;)

[MagGnome]

I think I'm really going to like it.

I've missed out on a lot of 360 games simply because I didn't want to put down the money to buy them. I have a TON of games to play already (mostly PC), and I tend to dabble between multiple titles. Gamefly seems like the perfect solution for this. I can play a game until I'm sick of it, pop it back in the mail and get something else. This will allow me to play a ton more 360 titles than I am able to right now. DS as well - I can finally play all of those quirky DS games that I always forget to track down or don't want to risk purchasing.

I put a few titles on my queue earlier, and I will definitely add more. Here's what I have so far:

Mirror's Edge (360)
Civilization Revolution (360)
Beautiful Katamari (360)
Ninjatown (DS)
Lock's Quest (DS)
Tales of Vesperia (360)
Master of the Monster Lair (DS)
The Darkness (360)
Culdcept Saga (360)
Tomb Raider Anniversary (360)
Bully (360)
Kameo (360)

Those are all games that I really want to play, but don't necessarily want to buy. I'm pretty excited!


Edit - I went with the two games at a time plan. Hopefully the turn around time is decent. With Netflix I get a movie back two days after I return one, which is the fastest turn around possible.

[Kelegacy]

Conan (360) $8.99


I just started Conan tonight and it's actually pretty damn fun. Very visceral. But the colors get all washed out depending on the environment. I had to mess around with my display for that title. And it's not just this tv, I noticed it on my more expensive set when I played the demo.

I also hope you like Dark Sector. I am giving it as a gift this year so I hope he digs it too.

[EternalGamer]

I just started Conan tonight and it's actually pretty damn fun. Very visceral. But the colors get all washed out depending on the environment. I had to mess around with my display for that title. And it's not just this tv, I noticed it on my more expensive set when I played the demo.


It seemed like the kind of mindless action game that would be a fun way to spend a couple of afternoons. Would never pay full price for it, but $9 seemed about right.


I also hope you like Dark Sector. I am giving it as a gift this year so I hope he digs it too.

My only reservations about actually was that I heard the aiming was a bit janky (something that can kill gunplay in an action game). But the Glave sounds like a fun mechanic.

I hate popcorn flicks, but their game equivalents--short, dumb, pretty action titles--can be a fun way to pass a weekend.

[Purple Santa]

For example, Purple Santa lives in Jersey, I live in Maine. We both got notices that our games were shipped out the same day, he got his today and I have to wait until Monday at the earliest. Last time I had a game from Gamefly was...well, I think around November 20th. And if I get a game from them on December 8th, well...it just takes too dang long.
That is an awful turnaround. Of course they may think you live in Canada too ;) Just consider it the Spigot effect.
So for $60, I picked up the following as Xmas Presents for myself from my parents:

[b]Dark Sector (360) $4.69 (after $5 coupon)
Conan (360) $8.99
Guitar Hero Aerosmith (360) $13.49
Culdsept Saga (360) $13.49
Condemned 2 (360) $11.69

I wanted Conan and GH but i'm just going to rent them when I can. I need to draw a line somewhere.

I put a few titles on my queue earlier, and I will definitely add more. Here's what I have so far:

Mirror's Edge (360)
Civilization Revolution (360)
Beautiful Katamari (360)
Ninjatown (DS)
Lock's Quest (DS)
Tales of Vesperia (360)
Master of the Monster Lair (DS)
The Darkness (360)
Culdcept Saga (360)
Tomb Raider Anniversary (360)
Bully (360)
Kameo (360)

Those are all games that I really want to play, but don't necessarily want to buy. I'm pretty excited!



Great list. I'd put Civ Rev and Bully near the top. Two very different games (obviously) but both will keep you busy. I loved Civ Rev. First time playing the series and I was hooked. Bully is one of my all time favorite games. I'm a big fan of the sandbox genre. But the stuff you can do in Bully I felt was a lot more fun than in GTA games. And GTA to me is gaming nirvana.

[EternalGamer]

I'll second Bully. It is one of my favorite 360 games. What is so great about it is that the world is smaller and feels more carefully constructed. The characterization is not amazing, but it does exist. One of the problems with GTA4 is that you always felt disconnected from the NPCs giving you the missions. But here you have teachers, principles, and other students who you sort of do get the feel for as unique personalities. And you see the same characters walking spouting catch phrases in the world even when you aren't on missions for them. It makes the world feel a lot more organic.

Also Bully has some pretty funny social satire in the form of some throw away lines. The story is not anything to write home about, but a lot of the incidental dialog is great.

[Wilkz07]

Some other things I just thought of:

A) How long will it take to get the coffin, send it in, and get the system back? Is MS going to extend my Live subscription for the weeks I'm going to lose? (haha)

B)I live in an apartment building, and receiving packages is a PITA. Just great.



I called on a monday and got the box wed - had to go pick it up at purolator. shipped it back and they sent a refurb - Not a New Machine - 5 business days later.

As for apartment building recieving packages - if you aren't there they leave a tag for you that says your parcel will be at xxx depot for pick up. so it shouldn't be a problem if you aren't there.

[MagGnome]

Great list. I'd put Civ Rev and Bully near the top. Two very different games (obviously) but both will keep you busy. I loved Civ Rev. First time playing the series and I was hooked. Bully is one of my all time favorite games. I'm a big fan of the sandbox genre. But the stuff you can do in Bully I felt was a lot more fun than in GTA games. And GTA to me is gaming nirvana.

I'm a huge fan of the Civilization games on PC, so I'm looking forward to Revolutions. I might put it at the top in place of Mirror's Edge, but I'm afraid that I'll want to spend way too much time with it.

In fact, that's one thing I've already realized - certain games (like CivRev) could take up weeks of my time, which makes renting them something of a curse, especially when I already have so many games that need playing. I guess I'll have to find some sort of balance.

The possibilities of all the games I can play now are just endless! I hadn't even thought of games like GTAIV, Fallout 3, or Oblivion. I'm definitely going to find more time to game now so I can play all of the great titles I've been missing out on. Maybe I can go down to 10 posts a day on this site instead of 26. ;)


I'll second Bully.


Thanks for the impressions. I've been wanting to play Bully ever since it came out for the PS2 way back. I think I'll bump that one up a few slots so I can get my hands on it sooner.

[Xerxes]

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[Purple Santa]

I'm a huge fan of the Civilization games on PC, so I'm looking forward to Revolutions. I might put it at the top in place of Mirror's Edge, but I'm afraid that I'll want to spend way too much time with it.

In fact, that's one thing I've already realized - certain games (like CivRev) could take up weeks of my time, which makes renting them something of a curse, especially when I already have so many games that need playing. I guess I'll have to find some sort of balance.

The possibilities of all the games I can play now are just endless! I hadn't even thought of games like GTAIV, Fallout 3, or Oblivion. I'm definitely going to find more time to game now so I can play all of the great titles I've been missing out on. Maybe I can go down to 10 posts a day on this site instead of 26. ;)


As has been stated about GF, if you like a game and feel you are renting it "to long" they offer great deals to buy them. I know you don't want to buy more that was the point of renting. Sometimes though the games, especially a number on your list, get to a price where it's worth buying. Just a thought.

I hope you like Civ Rev since you are a fan from the PC. Some loved the "simpler" version on the console, while others found it to boring. If you do get this game, i'll try to rent it back and maybe we can play a vs game sometime. You will certainly have fun handing me my head since I truly suck at any kind of strategy...

[Kelegacy]

It seemed like the kind of mindless action game that would be a fun way to spend a couple of afternoons. Would never pay full price for it, but $9 seemed about right.



My only reservations about actually was that I heard the aiming was a bit janky (something that can kill gunplay in an action game). But the Glave sounds like a fun mechanic.

I hate popcorn flicks, but their game equivalents--short, dumb, pretty action titles--can be a fun way to pass a weekend.

I like dumb games quite a bit lately...I actually wind up finishing them. JRPGs, on the other hand, usually have limited interaction (i.e. actually playing) that makes me bored after a couple dozen hours and I wind up not completing them.

I don't recall Dark Sector having aiming issues. But then again, I've heard people complain about Uncharted, Bourne Conspiracy, Fracture, and a bunch of other 3rd person games I've completed this year that had similar aiming issues, but I've never had even a small problem. Maybe I excel at aiming in those types of games and am the exception to the rule. Where others complain about frustration, I rack up the headshots, get the achievements for them, and continue on my merry way.

In Dark Sector I used guns very rarely. You can enter an underground shop and buy upgraded weapons but I played with mostly the glaive. But one thing the game has been praised for is its "shotgun combat". Since there are a array of shotguns to use throughout, you can enjoy close-quartered fun by using just them as your firearm of choice.

Glaive aiming is almost impossible to fuck up, since you gain an ability early on called "aftertouch" which lets you adjust the arc and direction of the weapon in slow-mo. Great fun.

Since I beat it at the end of the summer, I've been itching more and more to fire that game back in and beat it at the toughest difficulty. I really really enjoyed it for some reason--the production values are good, the gameplay is a hoot, and it essentially wound up my favorite 3rd person title of the year. And yeah, I've played Gears 2. :) It's just too bad it dropped to the bargain bin so fast. They marketed it in magazines for many months before release, but it still died away very soon.

[SilentScreams]

Why the hell does everybody else get the RRoD except me?
I've had one, which was about 2 weeks after I bought the console on release day. Never had one since, yet I've had 3 DVD drives die, which costs me £50 every time.
RRoD would actually be preferable.

[Purple Santa]

Why the hell does everybody else get the RRoD except me?
I've had one, which was about 2 weeks after I bought the console on release day. Never had one since, yet I've had 3 DVD drives die, which costs me £50 every time.
RRoD would actually be preferable.

I'm in the same boat. I thought it was RROD. Only saw the three rings once. And that was ADD saying it was RROD. What i think it is is the one ring with an error message. Someone said it means a disc drive error, and that's its going to fail. I had one fail already. So i'm thinking it's going to be another $80. But for that i'll go buy an arcade unit.

[Kelegacy]

Why the hell does everybody else get the RRoD except me?
I've had one, which was about 2 weeks after I bought the console on release day. Never had one since, yet I've had 3 DVD drives die, which costs me £50 every time.
RRoD would actually be preferable.

That's ridiculous. At least now you have the option to install to the HDD. But I wouldn't pay to have the drive fixed. I'd try to RRoD it first if I were you...going forward anyway, seeing how you've dished out a ridiculous amount on drive repairs already. That equals out to about $300, since they charge us $100 per drive.

Beats Sony's $150, but for BR drives they need to use unicorn horns, which are expensive and rare.

[MagGnome]

As has been stated about GF, if you like a game and feel you are renting it "to long" they offer great deals to buy them. I know you don't want to buy more that was the point of renting. Sometimes though the games, especially a number on your list, get to a price where it's worth buying. Just a thought.

I hope you like Civ Rev since you are a fan from the PC. Some loved the "simpler" version on the console, while others found it to boring. If you do get this game, i'll try to rent it back and maybe we can play a vs game sometime. You will certainly have fun handing me my head since I truly suck at any kind of strategy...

I moved it up to the top of my list last night, so I should be getting it this week. Better rent it soon if you want to play together!

I know it's simplified from the PC versions, but I'm itching for a Civilization fix, so I don't think I'll mind too much. I'm planning on picking up Civ 4 on the PC once I get through several more games, so this can tide me over a bit in the meantime. Plus this one has achievements. ;)

[Purple Santa]

I moved it up to the top of my list last night, so I should be getting it this week. Better rent it soon if you want to play together!

I know it's simplified from the PC versions, but I'm itching for a Civilization fix, so I don't think I'll mind too much. I'm planning on picking up Civ 4 on the PC once I get through several more games, so this can tide me over a bit in the meantime. Plus this one has achievements. ;)

The achievements were awesome in this game. The achievements motivated me to play through all the civilizations. Granted I beat them on easy...but there is one for...don't look if you don't want to know...I call it the space program...I forgot the name of the achievement. It's a pain in the ass. Or I found it to be. You had to build up your civilization fast enough to build a space launch...then it had to launch in space. Ok, for a Civ noob like me...that was hard. I think I danced around for two minutes when I finally did it. ADD just gave me the usual look :eek::confused::mad: rolleyes:

[MagGnome]

The achievements were awesome in this game. The achievements motivated me to play through all the civilizations. Granted I beat them on easy...but there is one for...don't look if you don't want to know...I call it the space program...I forgot the name of the achievement. It's a pain in the ass. Or I found it to be. You had to build up your civilization fast enough to build a space launch...then it had to launch in space. Ok, for a Civ noob like me...that was hard. I think I danced around for two minutes when I finally did it. ADD just gave me the usual look :eek::confused::mad: rolleyes:


I used to win via Space Launch in the PC versions all the time. I'm not so good at the combat side of things.

[Cit Phil Cit]

That made me lol. That's a guarantee? Really?

Normally I would try to see how far I could get, but in this instance - you being from the continent and all, I'll skip it. 60% of the time it works every time is from a movie:

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It was a bit daunting to see if I could slip in a few more lines without making it obvious.