Kanye West voice of this Generation [Archive]

Young Al Capone

11-14-2008, 01:23 PM

Kanye West has taken it upon himself to declare himself the voice of this generation.

"I realize that my place and position in history is that I will go down as the voice of this generation, of this decade, I will be the loudest voice," he said in an interview on Wednesday. "It's me settling into that position of just really accepting that it's one thing to say you want to do it and it's another thing to really end up being like Michael Jordan."

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I say fuck that, you don't speak for my generation Kanye, and you suck. I didn't absolutely hate you before, though I wasn't anything near what you may consider a fan.

Now; you can go straight to hell, fucking narcissist.

Spacetronaut

11-14-2008, 01:28 PM

Kanye rules, though he was better as a producer.

ClannerDelta

11-14-2008, 01:32 PM

Eh, it's nothing new. He's always been delusional.

Young Al Capone

11-14-2008, 01:32 PM

Kanye rules, though he was better as a producer.

He isn't the worst MC who gets radioplay. He has pretty good flow but his rhymes are garbage; he often rhymes words with themselves amongst other offenses. Like mispronouncing to make a rhyme...

His head is way too big for my tastes though. I know that it is a product of the scene, but this is a particularly bad case. He makes LL Cool J (Ladies Love Cool James) look humble.

TheEpicOfTyler

11-14-2008, 01:32 PM

I like his Akira video.

TheKeck

11-14-2008, 01:34 PM

I'm pretty sure I've heard of that guy.

Superman's Dead

11-14-2008, 01:36 PM

He's a great producer. He's a wonderful producer. He's got certain lines where it's like, "OOOOOOOOOOOH KANYE SAID THAT! That was amazing!"

And then I hear him talk about how relevant he is. And how relevant he tries to be. And he talks about how great Jay-Z is, and...that...that's just...he tries to have it two ways and be heartfelt and flashy, but one just sounds fake when you have too much of the other.

Then again, our generation might just be dicks. Who knows!

National Kato

11-14-2008, 01:37 PM

Kanye is a god within his own mind. That 'loudest voice' thing he's talking about? It's the sound of him bitching when he doesn't win awards.

President Fred

11-14-2008, 01:37 PM

He's the guy that did that god awful version of the daft punk song. That is I think the only way I know of him and that was because I heard the song come on at a night club I became pretty excited and then surprised when somebody had spilled rap all over the song. He is welcome to speak for my generation I don't want anything to do with 90% of it.

Young Al Capone

11-14-2008, 01:38 PM

That 'loudest voice' thing he's talking about? It's the sound of him bitching when he doesn't win awards.

I had totally forgotten about that, what a fucking guy...

TheKeck

11-14-2008, 01:41 PM

Is anybody else with me? Honestly, I've heard the name, but I really have no idea who this guy is. :confused:

darkbase

11-14-2008, 01:41 PM

Great music, horrible ego.

He's not claiming to be the messiah, but he is still coming off as an arrogant hip-hop star.
He's made crazier claims and pulled bigger stunts than this.
Shocked?

President Fred

11-14-2008, 01:44 PM

Is anybody else with me? Honestly, I've heard the name, but I really have no idea who this guy is. :confused:
Pretty much, I thought he was something like puff daddy what with the whole take a good song talk over it = money spiel. But then I'm not that knowledgeable about hip hop/rap.

Disgustipated

11-14-2008, 01:45 PM

This guy is a fucking asshole who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Fuck him. He speaks for no one.

Young Al Capone

11-14-2008, 01:47 PM

This guy is a fucking asshole who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Fuck him. He speaks for no one.

I knew I could count on you to bring the vitriol.

Mdot

11-14-2008, 01:52 PM

I love Kanye, but he really does say the stupidest shit sometimes. He became one of "those" celebrities/musicians.

pomeroy

11-14-2008, 03:15 PM

Love Kanye. Love him.

If you take him seriously...well, that's stupid. But he's awesome.

Superman's Dead

11-14-2008, 08:21 PM

He's not claiming to be the messiah

Remember that time he claimed to be a messiah, though?

Oh Yeezie. Oh my dear sweet Yeezie.

VerseD

11-14-2008, 08:27 PM

As a white history major in the Pacific Northwest who likes to play video games, I feel that Kanye West is the best candidate to voice my opinions.

boratika

11-15-2008, 12:56 AM

Oh the ironing is delicious. If he's the voice of this generation, shouldn't he not be ripping of songs from 5 years before he was born? Or am I being unfair?

Just in case people don't know what I'm talking about:
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LongStepMantis

11-15-2008, 01:01 AM

His music isn't bad...but listening to anything he has to say outside of that is retarded.
According to him he's comparable to Jesus, the representative of inner-city youths (despite the fact his parents were rich), and now the voice of our generation...

Delusions of grandeur much?

Widgetcraft

11-15-2008, 01:34 AM

I still don't know who this fucker is. His name pops up every now and then, but who the fuck is he?

ClannerDelta

11-15-2008, 01:36 AM

I still don't know who this fucker is. His name pops up every now and then, but who the fuck is he?

The "George Bush hates black people." guy.

Re3x

11-15-2008, 01:38 AM

As a white history major in the Pacific Northwest who likes to play video games, I feel that Kanye West is the best candidate to voice my opinions.

I think you are confusing Kanye with Soulja Boy.

Shadowstorm

11-15-2008, 04:59 AM

Over-inflated ego needs to be poked at.

Typical Michael

11-15-2008, 05:08 AM

xbox gamertag = Kanyetellem.

He WILL beat you at Halo.

thomas

11-15-2008, 05:09 AM

As a white history major in the Pacific Northwest who likes to play video games, I feel that Kanye West is the best candidate to voice my opinions.

a major in white history?

Shadowstorm

11-15-2008, 05:38 AM

xbox gamertag = Kanyetellem.

He WILL beat you at Halo.

Kanye Tell Em?

Oh sheesh.

GunnyMo

11-15-2008, 06:28 AM

I would think that if you are going to be the voice of a generation, you should be known by more than hip hop fans. Oh, and "titles" like that are most normally bestowed upon you by people who know and respect you and not by your own over inflated ego.

He's an idiot.

Lance Uppercut

11-15-2008, 07:51 AM

I like his work, but he's still a douche bag.

Stmfuller

11-15-2008, 03:03 PM

isn't apathy the voice of our generation?

Stoke

11-15-2008, 03:10 PM

I've had farts that used more musical talent then any one of his songs. Fuck him.

ClannerDelta

11-15-2008, 03:43 PM

I've had farts that used more musical talent then any one of his songs. Fuck him.

I just got the image of someone playing a trumpet with their ass. Don't ask me why.

Fubl

11-15-2008, 05:50 PM

the minute he bite a MA$e rap in gold digger he became nothing. OKay if you want to take a line from someone WHY MA$E theres tons better to steal from...... He is one of the most Hypocritical, egotistical, IDIOTS out there giving Hip hop a bad name.

DarkDay

11-15-2008, 05:54 PM

Is anybody else with me? Honestly, I've heard the name, but I really have no idea who this guy is. :confused:

Yes, he is my voice, your voice, OUR voice!..

Na I think he is a Christian gangster rapper who came from money? Something to that effect, its all very relevant.

DarkDay

11-15-2008, 05:58 PM

isn't apathy the voice of our generation?

No, as i could give a rats ass for the apathetic.

ClannerDelta

11-15-2008, 06:01 PM

No, as i could give a rats ass for the apathetic.

I'm concerned that you have a rat's ass to give.

DarkDay

11-15-2008, 06:04 PM

I'm concerned that you have a rat's ass to give.

I have one. One.

Scaryfaced

11-15-2008, 06:22 PM

I've hated Kanye ever since his little signing deal hit the news a few years nacl. I don't remember the story, but a few rap labels had some sort of bidding war over the guy when he first hit the scene. The first thing I heard out of him was bragging about his new record deals and how he was going to be the hottest rapper ever. He hasn't done much to change my opinion of him in the years following. He's either talking about Bush, bitching about not being recognized for his genius, or he's bragging about himself.

Also, how the fuck can you be so confident in your musical genius when every song you've put out is a remix of an already successful song? I don't have a problem with rappers using samples, but Kanye seems to rip songs off completely. The Daft Punk song, Ray Charles, the song posted earlier, etc. Throw a base line over it and he's suddenly a prodigy.
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Nura

11-15-2008, 06:23 PM

The Grammy-winning rapper-producer said Justin Timberlake had a chance to be music's MVP, but hasn't put out enough material.

Wait what? so all that matters is how many albums you've put out?

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Which is easy as hell, when all you do is copying other peoples already successful music.

LongStepMantis

11-15-2008, 06:30 PM

Wait what? so all that matters is how many albums you've put out?

Remember, these are Kanye's rules...he gets to make them because of how great he is. :rollseyessohardtheyfallthefuckout:

Dave

11-16-2008, 01:30 AM

Besides being the "George Bush hates black people" guy, is he really known for anything? I mean, I've heard that he's a musician and all... but does he sell music to tweens or something? Maybe I'm out of his demo, or something; but this guy gets way too much time on the idiot box than he should.

I only respond to this because, according to the Internets, this asshat is two years older than me... so I guess the generation that he's talking about could also be my generation and I take these narcissistic claims to heart.

I've yet to see anyone in the public's eye that speaks for me and my generation. So thank you very much, but go do something relevant with your life and then we can talk about you and your voice.

NEXT!!!

Superman's Dead

11-16-2008, 09:14 PM

Besides being the "George Bush hates black people" guy, is he really known for anything?

He's a good producer. In my opinion, at least. A really really good producer. His music sounds GOOD. There are songs of his where I can literally HATE what is said, but it just...it just sounds so good.

He's wealthy and loud. That's where his idiot-box time comes from, though. Plenty of great producers just produce. T

ClannerDelta

11-16-2008, 09:19 PM

He's a good producer. In my opinion, at least. A really really good producer. His music sounds GOOD. There are songs of his where I can literally HATE what is said, but it just...it just sounds so good.

American Boy with Estelle is actually a song I loathe to like when it comes on the radio.

Kanye is easily the worst part of that song, but I still like how it sounds.

pomeroy

11-16-2008, 09:49 PM

Also, how the fuck can you be so confident in your musical genius when every song you've put out is a remix of an already successful song? I don't have a problem with rappers using samples, but Kanye seems to rip songs off completely. The Daft Punk song, Ray Charles, the song posted earlier, etc. Throw a base line over it and he's suddenly a prodigy.

Every song? Hyperbole much?

To be fair, that is Kanye's style. He uses samples and does things to them to create new songs (chopping them up, speeding them up, slowing them down, distortions, etc). And it's not really ripping off songs when he gets clearance or even the artist's blessing (Daft Punk really liked "Stronger"). His knowledge of music is encyclopedic (especially soul/r&b), so he uses that knowledge to create new music.

I will say, though, that I am extremely biased. I think he's a great rapper and an AMAZING producer. I also doubt he's actually this full of himself, but this is what keeps him in the news when he's working on getting new music out there (his new album drops later this month, I think).

boratika

11-17-2008, 07:55 AM

He's a good producer. In my opinion, at least. A really really good producer. His music sounds GOOD. There are songs of his where I can literally HATE what is said, but it just...it just sounds so good.

So he should be saying he's the Dr Dre of this generation :D

Superman's Dead

11-17-2008, 08:01 AM

So he should be saying he's the Dr Dre of this generation :D

Its funny because its sad.

I don't know if he's putting on the absurdly arrogant thing, Pomeroy. I mean, he talks about it a lot. The song 'Big Brother' off Graduation was just...about how great he was, but how Jay-Z is better. And he just seems so sincere when he says all of these things; I'm not sure he could fake it.

National Kato

11-17-2008, 09:17 AM

If you take him seriously...well, that's stupid. But he's awesome.

Um, we don't take him seriously. Kanye takes himself seriously. If you think he's joking, the joke's on you.

Young Al Capone

11-17-2008, 09:29 AM

So he should be saying he's the Dr Dre of this generation :D

He should be calling himself the Puff Daddy of this generation. He is a rip-off artist and has shit rhymes.

Like I said earlier, he may have flow, but if you just listen to what he is saying it is not clever, often mispronounced to force a rhyme, or sometimes is just the same word rhymed with itself multiple times.

His producing is hardly more notable than Puff Daddy's, just in that he doesn't steal absolutely every beat he uses. I guess that is hyperbole, cause I admit that his music often does sound good, but there is no substance what-so-ever.

It is weird for me to say that too, as I often appreciate the style over substance approach.

pomeroy

11-20-2008, 01:06 AM

Um, we don't take him seriously. Kanye takes himself seriously. If you think he's joking, the joke's on you.

No, you take him seriously when you think he's being serious. He even raps about his ego...it's pretty obvious it's a joke/act. But whatever.

National Kato

11-20-2008, 08:48 AM

No, you take him seriously when you think he's being serious. He even raps about his ego...it's pretty obvious it's a joke/act. But whatever.

Really? He intentionally wants to be made fun of for jumping on stage when he doesn't win an award? He wants to be known as the musical artist who has sour grapes because he doesn't win and decides to hog the winner's time at the mic to announce it?

Sounds like the jokes gone a bit too far.

Ultimately, he can do what he wants as I don't buy his albums. But I'd like to see how history classifies him in 30 years. I'm close friends with Danger Mouse and I know that a producer's lifespan can be a short one. Especially if you act like a douche, joke or not.

Young Al Capone

11-20-2008, 08:52 AM

Ultimately, he can do what he wants as I don't buy his albums. But I'd like to see how history classifies him in 30 years. I'm close friends with Danger Mouse and I know that a producer's lifespan can be a short one. Especially if you act like a douche, joke or not.

You are friends with Danger Mouse and have produced music videos for Hot Water Music?

How do I get your life?

Mr. Murphy

11-20-2008, 08:53 AM

Is anybody else with me? Honestly, I've heard the name, but I really have no idea who this guy is. :confused:

I'm with you. I know he's a rapper, that's it. I couldn't name a song of his or tell you if he's any good tho. I don't really care about club music.

menage

11-20-2008, 08:53 AM

I loved Kayne

But his new album is the worst piece of shit I've heard in a long time. It's like Cher doing that high piched studio reverb sound ALL THE TIME.

He's losing it.

Bad Buddha

11-20-2008, 08:57 AM

I'm glad I'm not a member of your generation. :p

We had Led Zeppelin to speak for us.

Mr. Murphy

11-20-2008, 08:57 AM

I loved Kayne

But his new album is the worst piece of shit I've heard in a long time. It's like Cher doing that high piched studio reverb sound ALL THE TIME.

He's losing it.

Oh holy crap, is Kanye responsible for all that robot-voice club music I hear bumping out of cars in my neighborhood? Because that shit is TERRIBLE and it seems to be everywhere.

roboninja

11-20-2008, 09:00 AM

Fuck this, I would rather be mute.

The George Bush hates black people thing was the most sincere and reasonable thing he has ever said (how's that for hyperbole).

National Kato

11-20-2008, 09:02 AM

You are friends with Danger Mouse and have produced music videos for Hot Water Music?

I owe it all to a good friend. When I was in Atlanta, we made films together and music videos for Danger Mouse (Brian Burton) when he was calling himself Pelican City and producing ambient music. My friend and Burton were good friends from UGA and when Brian moved to London for a residency, then put together The Gray Album, he just took off like a rocket.

The HWM gig also came from that same friend. Luck of the draw, I guess. :)

Shadowstorm

11-20-2008, 09:08 AM

I owe it all to a good friend. When I was in Atlanta, we made films together and music videos for Danger Mouse (Brian Burton) when he was calling himself Pelican City and producing ambient music. My friend and Burton were good friends from UGA and when Brian moved to London for a residency, then put together The Gray Album, he just took off like a rocket.

The HWM gig also came from that same friend. Luck of the draw, I guess. :)

That's sweet. He's in a documentary called Good Copy, Bad Copy ... but I guess you already know about that :).

Young Al Capone

11-20-2008, 09:10 AM

I owe it all to a good friend. When I was in Atlanta, we made films together and music videos for Danger Mouse (Brian Burton) when he was calling himself Pelican City and producing ambient music. My friend and Burton were good friends from UGA and when Brian moved to London for a residency, then put together The Gray Album, he just took off like a rocket.

The HWM gig also came from that same friend. Luck of the draw, I guess. :)

Sounds awesome.

I cannot count on lady luck though, she hates me cause I don't believe in her.

Superman's Dead

11-20-2008, 09:26 AM

I'm glad I'm not a member of your generation. :p

We had Led Zeppelin to speak for us.

I don't know if that's any better... ;)

menage

11-20-2008, 09:29 AM

Oh holy crap, is Kanye responsible for all that robot-voice club music I hear bumping out of cars in my neighborhood? Because that shit is TERRIBLE and it seems to be everywhere.

Him, Lil Wayne and a couple of others.

Worst crap I ever heard.

And I really liked his first 2 albums.

torrefaction

11-20-2008, 09:37 AM

Kanye wants to make me hit him in the face.

Also, the vocoder (robot voice) crap is mostly TPain

National Kato

11-20-2008, 09:37 AM

The other thing I don't understand is Kanye's (and other contemporary pop artists') reliance and support of Auto-Tune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune). Ugh.

That might be the vocoder sound you guys are referring to. I know artists like Lil' Wayne, if they are using Auto-Tune for that sound, are using it to the extreme.

Press Ninja

11-20-2008, 09:39 AM

I'm sorry to anyone that likes him, but FUCK NO. I can't stand Kanye and his shitty music. The man can't make a hit without stealing beats from other good artists like Daft Punk.

I refuse to have this degenerate delusionist be my voice. I have my own voice, jerkoff, and it isn't saying the moronic shit you are.

Bad Buddha

11-20-2008, 10:20 AM

I don't know if that's any better... ;)

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Let's see Kanye beat that! :p

Superman's Dead

11-20-2008, 10:25 AM

Him, Lil Wayne and a couple of others.

To be fair, Lil' Wayne's music not made for airplay is really hilarious. The man is a little bit of a freestyling genius, who makes no excuses for everything he's doing just to get money because he just doesn't care.

Kanye on the other hand...

ClannerDelta

11-20-2008, 10:26 AM

Fight the horde?! Buddha, you worship... ALLIANCE PLAYERS! Odin damn you.

President Fred

11-20-2008, 10:28 AM

ApxnAr6pRt0

Let's see Kanye beat that! :p
That video is ridiculous. I thought scholars generally agreed that most Viking cats didn't have helmets with horns.

roboninja

11-20-2008, 10:30 AM

That video is ridiculous. I thought scholars generally agreed that most Viking cats didn't have helmets with horns.

No, that's still up in the air. I hear next year's International Feline Haberdashery Symposium in Minsk is focusing on the very issue.

pomeroy

11-20-2008, 10:34 AM

Really? He intentionally wants to be made fun of for jumping on stage when he doesn't win an award? He wants to be known as the musical artist who has sour grapes because he doesn't win and decides to hog the winner's time at the mic to announce it?

But you remember who he is. That's just as important as getting people to listen to his music, honestly. I'm not saying you have to like him or respect him (obviously you don't).

Young Al Capone

11-20-2008, 10:39 AM

That's just as important as getting people to listen to his music, honestly.

Not when you leave a legacy of being a douche.

pomeroy

11-20-2008, 12:08 PM

Not when you leave a legacy of being a douche.

Oh, whatever. It's arguable that what he's doing is douchey (I don't think it is, because I don't think he's serious. And who cares if he is? He's at lame-ass award shows when he pulls this shit anyway. Are you mad that he's violated the sanctity of the VMA's?).

Young Al Capone

11-20-2008, 12:14 PM

ClannerDelta

11-20-2008, 12:19 PM

Oh, whatever. It's arguable that what he's doing is douchey (I don't think it is, because I don't think he's serious. And who cares if he is? He's at lame-ass award shows when he pulls this shit anyway. Are you mad that he's violated the sanctity of the VMA's?).

I think you're just naive and lieing to yourself. It's too consistent to be an act. Otherwise he should probably stop with the music business entirely and start a career in theatrical performance.

As for the sanctity of the VMA's? Well, common courtesy would dictate that you show some class in any kind of public arena. It wouldn't be acceptable even at a highschool/middleschool level. How one reacts to loss is a good indicator of the person's personality.

digitalErich

11-20-2008, 12:23 PM

So the voice of this generation is a whiny, sore-loser, self-promoting narcissist that claims hardship when growing up in the suburbs? Yeah, that sounds about right.

Bad Buddha

11-20-2008, 12:25 PM

So the voice of this generation is a whiny, sore-loser, self-promoting narcissist that claims hardship when growing up in the suburbs? Yeah, that sounds about right.

HAHA!

This fits in soooo well with the Hipster discussion! :p

Yeah. The guy's an ass.

ClannerDelta

11-20-2008, 12:27 PM

So the voice of this generation is a whiny, sore-loser, self-promoting narcissist that claims hardship when growing up in the suburbs? Yeah, that sounds about right.

Gah, /thread.

digitalErich

11-20-2008, 12:29 PM

HAHA!

This fits in soooo well with the Hipster discussion! :p

Yeah. The guy's an ass.
Yep, Kanye pisses me off for the same reason as Hipsters. People give hipsters shit for their clothes and music but that's missing the point; it's the easy dig. It's the fake "I don't give a shit" attitude coupled so ironically with the "Hey, hey, hey look at me I'm unique and interesting" ego-masterbation that I find so amusing.

It's like a giant joke that none of them are in on.

Primus

11-20-2008, 12:45 PM

I still don't know who this fucker is. His name pops up every now and then, but who the fuck is he?

I wish more people perceived him this way. I think his production, lyrics, and flow are all clumsy and not as avant garde as people make it out to be. Top it off with all the stupid bullshit he seems to claim whenever given a podium.

evilgoodwin

11-20-2008, 12:51 PM

I have many reasons to dislike Kanye.

And here they are. (http://www.mamapop.com/mamapop/2008/11/the-top-ten-rea.html)

Shadowstorm

11-20-2008, 01:04 PM

I have many reasons to dislike Kanye.

And here they are. (http://www.mamapop.com/mamapop/2008/11/the-top-ten-rea.html)

Yay, another top ten list :p.

pomeroy

11-20-2008, 03:53 PM

You sound like his spokesman, insisting that he isn't serious (because if he is...) and that acting like a douche, whether it be an act or not, isn't douchey.

There is no way I could possibly care less about the VMAs, still doesn't make being a sore loser and making a scene about it cool or respectable in any way.

I get it, you are a fan. That doesn't make him less of a cock.

You do realize that you can like the art without liking the artist? I can name about a million people who I cannot stand but still like thier work.

I think he's funny. You think he's douchey. It's all a matter of opinion. I'm really not his spokesman; I just don't take him seriously at all.

And of course I realize you can like the art without liking the artist. I wouldn't be able to listen to Michael Jackson at all if my personal feelings on him factored into it. The thing is, I actually like Kanye and think he's pretty hilarious and outrageous just for the fuck of it. You don't.

I think you're just naive and lieing to yourself. It's too consistent to be an act. Otherwise he should probably stop with the music business entirely and start a career in theatrical performance.

I'm the one who is naive? Come on. I think he's funny and I don't take him seriously. How is that "lieing" to myelf?

As for the sanctity of the VMA's? Well, common courtesy would dictate that you show some class in any kind of public arena. It wouldn't be acceptable even at a highschool/middleschool level. How one reacts to loss is a good indicator of the person's personality.

Common courtesy? Are we talking about the same VMA's?

I have many reasons to dislike Kanye.
And here they are. (http://www.mamapop.com/mamapop/2008/11/the-top-ten-rea.html)

Wow. That list sure convinces me. The fact that there's ten whole Facebook groups that think Kanye West is a douche totally makes it true! Seriously, if I used Facebook as a resource, I'd think Obama was not only a socialist but that he was a terrorist is well.

Seriously guys, it's all just an opinion. You think he's a douche. I. Get. It.

ClannerDelta

11-20-2008, 04:05 PM

Seriously guys, it's all just an opinion. You think he's a douche. I. Get. It.

Seriously dude, it's all just an opinion. You think he's awesome. I. Get. It.

It works both ways. If someone acts like a douche, they are a douche. I don't care if they are "Ironically" douchey.

Sl1pstream

11-20-2008, 04:08 PM

Oh the ironing is delicious.

Can I send you my shirts too?

pomeroy

11-20-2008, 04:11 PM

Seriously dude, it's all just an opinion. You think he's awesome. I. Get. It.

Agreed! A little lame you couldn't come up with your own statement, but agreed, nonetheless.

It works both ways. If someone acts like a douche, they are a douche. I don't care if they are "Ironically" douchey.

In your opinion.

ClannerDelta

11-20-2008, 04:16 PM

In your opinion.

Yes. So, your point has been?

*edit* I suppose I should be more specific.

It's an internet forum, you'd be hard pressed to find much of anything that isn't entirely opinion. So when someone falls back on the "But that's just your opinion!!" stance it serves no purpose. If you're to the point where you need to rely on this kind of response, it's probably best to just leave the thread. It's upset you enough to force a response, but with nothing to say.

pomeroy

11-20-2008, 04:45 PM

Yes. So, your point has been?

*edit* I suppose I should be more specific.

It's an internet forum, you'd be hard pressed to find much of anything that isn't entirely opinion. So when someone falls back on the "But that's just your opinion!!" stance it serves no purpose. If you're to the point where you need to rely on this kind of response, it's probably best to just leave the thread. It's upset you enough to force a response, but with nothing to say.

You honestly think I'm upset at this point? I'm upset you think Kanye West is a douche?

Come on, now. You do realize that I wasn't even talking to you in this thread when you decided to jump in and tell me that I'm naive and that I must be "lieing" to myself, right? I wasn't upset then, and I'm not upset now, but it seems a bit presumptious of you to just label me with emotions I must be having if I'm posting on a forum.

If my responses come off as me being upset...that wasn't their intention. The "in your opinion" I posted was mostly to push your buttons (which we've both been doing for the past few posts anyway).

cawblen

11-20-2008, 04:48 PM

his music is hit or miss for me...one song is good and the other is like WTF?

ClannerDelta

11-20-2008, 04:59 PM

You honestly think I'm upset at this point? I'm upset you think Kanye West is a douche? It does seem to upset you. :)

Come on, now. You do realize that I wasn't even talking to you in this thread when you decided to jump in and tell me that I'm naive and that I must be "lieing" to myself, right? I wasn't upset then, and I'm not upset now, but it seems a bit presumptious of you to just label me with emotions I must be having if I'm posting on a forum.
I'll refer to the next portion of your response.

If my responses come off as me being upset...that wasn't their intention. The "in your opinion" I posted was mostly to push your buttons (which we've both been doing for the past few posts anyway).

The thing is, I wasn't pushing buttons. The idea that you think I was clearly means you took something to heart if there were buttons to push. It's a forum, private messages are for 1 to 1 chatting, otherwise your responses are going to be directed everywhere. Like shouting in a crowded room.

The only thing I particularly care about is your obsession with him being "serious". What is the difference, in your opinion, between someone who "acts" like an asshole and is an asshole. I find it to be a lame excuse that you've been clinging too (Hence the lieing to yourself portion of my response). Is there a reason, specifically, you think he's "acting" this way as opposed to sincere in his douchery?

Schnoogs

11-20-2008, 05:08 PM

I've always found Kanye to be a bit of an idiot...this just reinforces that belief.

His crowning moment though was the <ebonics>George Bush hate black people</ebonics>

His music isn't that great...he has a HUGE ego...he's put his foot in his mouth numerous times. Glad he's not the voice of MY generation.

pomeroy

11-20-2008, 05:09 PM

The thing is, I wasn't pushing buttons. The idea that you think I was clearly means you took something to heart if there were buttons to push.

Fair enough. I was pushing buttons, because it's amusing to me.

It's a forum, private messages are for 1 to 1 chatting, otherwise your responses are going to be directed everywhere. Like shouting in a crowded room.

Thanks for the lesson!

The only thing I particularly care about is your obsession with him being "serious". What is the difference, in your opinion, between someone who "acts" like an asshole and is an asshole. I find it to be a lame excuse that you've been clinging too (Hence the lieing to yourself portion of my response). Is there a reason, specifically, you think he's "acting" this way as opposed to sincere in his douchery?

It's not an obsession, it's an opinion. I "think" (and am pretty sure) that he's not being serious. It's a public persona that he uses to generate press which keeps him in the public eye. I think he's acting because his "assholery" affects literally no one. I think this because he's an entertainer.

I don't take what he does seriously (as I've stated repeatedly). It amuses me to no end that he just doesn't give a shit about what he's "supposed" to do at an award show, or whatever. If he was actually being hurtful, I could see your point.

Disgustipated

11-20-2008, 05:17 PM

Oh holy crap, is Kanye responsible for all that robot-voice club music I hear bumping out of cars in my neighborhood? Because that shit is TERRIBLE and it seems to be everywhere.

I fucking hate that robot-voice shit. It's so fucking crap.

ClannerDelta

11-20-2008, 05:17 PM

I don't take what he does seriously (as I've stated repeatedly). It amuses me to no end that he just doesn't give a shit about what he's "supposed" to do at an award show, or whatever. If he was actually being hurtful, I could see your point.

I disagree on this point. I'll concede the former, as I have no idea what he's thinking. I don't have a large enough ego to have that kind of perspective. So I'll agree to disagree.

The quoted part bothers me though. He, as an entertainer for better or worse, has an impact on people. In a perfect world he would be relegated to entertainment value only, but somewhere along the way a large portion of the population decided Musicians, Actors, and millionaire sluts were role-models. His egotistical and rude actions impact a lot of people. So, it's not a harmless situation. We all deal with douchebags every day. I can't help but feel most of them wouldn't be around if there wasn't such a tolerant policy for them in the spotlight.

evilgoodwin

11-20-2008, 05:24 PM

Wow. That list sure convinces me. The fact that there's ten whole Facebook groups that think Kanye West is a douche totally makes it true! Seriously, if I used Facebook as a resource, I'd think Obama was not only a socialist but that he was a terrorist is well.

Wow, you're right! 1 item in a list cancels out the other nine! Thank you for showing me that any list that mentions facebook defuncts the rest of it! Thank you so much!

:D

pomeroy

11-20-2008, 05:41 PM

The quoted part bothers me though. He, as an entertainer for better or worse, has an impact on people. In a perfect world he would be relegated to entertainment value only, but somewhere along the way a large portion of the population decided Musicians, Actors, and millionaire sluts were role-models. His egotistical and rude actions impact a lot of people. So, it's not a harmless situation. We all deal with douchebags every day. I can't help but feel most of them wouldn't be around if there wasn't such a tolerant policy for them in the spotlight.

But that's not my problem, and it's not really yours. I'm pretty sure neither of us has decided Kanye's a role model. How other people react to something isn't in our control, and it's a poor excuse to say that because someone does something it makes it OK.

Wow, you're right! 1 item in a list cancels out the other nine! Thank you for showing me that any list that mentions facebook defuncts the rest of it! Thank you so much!
:D

I was pointing out how inane that list was. Other reasons it's inane: pointing out someone's blog posts as a reason they're douchey (if that's the new standard, let's get the writers of pretty much every personal blog ever and write top ten lists about them too!), and completely dismissing the idea that race might be a factor in decision making.

The quotes are exactly what we've been discussing, so they're sort of redundant to add to the conversation.