Mixed Martial Arts (UFC, Dream, Elite XC ect.)

[Sandman]

This weekend:

Elite XC Presents Saturday Night Fights on CBS 9PM EST

Kimbo Slice EATS Ken Shamrock
Jake Shields vs Paul Daley
Andrei Arlovski vs Roy Nelson
Gina Carano vs Kelly Kobald

My prediction for fight of the night : Arlovski vs Nelson

[Lance Uppercut]

I know Ken's gonna lose, but I hope he ties Kimbo's leg into a pretzel.

[Sandman]

I know Ken's gonna lose, but I hope he ties Kimbo's leg into a pretzel.

Somehow I knew this would get you over here.

[Jackel]

I agree...Arlovski v. Nelso will be the fight of the night. You guys will have to post updates during the fight, as I have no TV here..and no desire to go join the small town bars and watch (if they'll even have it).

[violent]

I know Ken's gonna lose, but I hope he ties Kimbo's leg into a pretzel.

Holy shit at your avatar! We got a long running joke about her. Started calling her Buttertooth the pirate after she got the patch. That's awesome.

[Sandman]

I just hope EXC doesn't try to pull any crap like they've done with these shows in the past. I swear the fights on that first CBS show were fixed.

[Lance Uppercut]

Where the hell am I gonna go for MMA discussion, Sherdog? :P

Let's get some big news in here. UFC 93 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/12900/ufc-93-franklin-vs-henderson-and-coleman-vs-shogun-officially-announced.mma) will have the confirmed matchups of Rich Franklin vs Dan Henderson, and the return of Shogun Rua in a rematch against Mark Coleman.

We all know Shogun is gonna destroy Coleman, but it's harder for me to make a prediction in the Franklin/Hendo fight, especially since I like both fighters a lot. I'll say Hendo in a close split decision. Rich is no pushover.

[Sandman]

UFC 93 is too far off to think about....UFC 91 though. Lesnar vs Couture....fight of the year.

[Wackman3000]

Elite XC fight of the night better be Arlovski. I haven't seen him fight for a while but I always liked him. While it would be great to see Ken put Kimbo to sleep or break his arm, I'm not sure he still has the fight in him anymore.

Shogun is coming off a nasty injury, is he not? Franklin has definitely been sharp as of late but Hendo is still extremely dangerous. Don't know who to pick in that one, but if I have to choose one it'll be Hendo since I love seeing him knock people out with that insane right of his.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Arlovski is (almost) always good for a show, but last EXC that Gina was on, I think she took fight of the night. I'm actually looking forward to that fight as well.

The only way I could be happy with the Shamrock / Kimbo fight is if a bull got loose in the ring and ended both of their careers.

[OrangePulp]

Does slice have any ground experience? I don't really have a lot of hope for shamrock, because he's washed up, but it seems like if they put him against a BJJ guy he'd get destroyed (ala Houston Alexander).

[Ghost Rider]

Do any of you find it as hard to watch Shamrock fight as I do? I wish he could just become a trainer or commentator and be remembered for his achievements instead of tarnishing his legacy.

[Wackman3000]

Does slice have any ground experience? I don't really have a lot of hope for shamrock, because he's washed up, but it seems like if they put him against a BJJ guy he'd get destroyed (ala Houston Alexander).

Even just hearing the name Houston Alexander makes me laugh. The guy just lays on the ground like a Saigon whore waiting to be fucked.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Even just hearing the name Houston Alexander makes me laugh. The guy just lays on the ground like a Saigon whore waiting to be fucked.

I don't think you're giving Saigon whores enough credit for how active they can be on their back.

[cassiusregicide]

I don't think you're giving Saigon whores enough credit for how active they can be on their back.

Yeah, Houston's legs look like they are as stiff as a board when he's on the ground.

I know that Kimbo draws the money in but I wish Arlowski was the main event. I definately think he'll get fight of the night.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Yeah, Houston's legs look like they are as stiff as a board when he's on the ground.

I know that Kimbo draws the money in but I wish Arlowski was the main event. I definately think he'll get fight of the night.

Arlovski should be the main event. He is hands-down the best fighter on the card. The only reason he's not is that he's pretty much "on loan" from Affliction and may not appear on any more EXC cards.

[Lance Uppercut]

What's up with Gina Carano almost not making weight? She exhausted herself trying to lose 1.5 pounds. Maybe she needs to find a more natural weight class to fight in.

[Lance Uppercut]

It looks like Ken Shamrock is not able to fight the main event tonight, due to suffering a cut from an accidental headbutt while training. No real word yet on who his replacement will be, or if the fight will be called off altogether.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Oh Ken... he just needs to be done. There's nothing left for him in this sport.

[Sandman]

I'm sure they'll find someone to job tofight Kimbo.

Damn...strike doesn't work here.

[Sandman]

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/seth-petruzelli-2738

The guy is 9-4 with 8 KO's and his style is wrestling and karate. I've never heard of him but he could give Kimbo a run.

[Sandman]

http://assets.proelite.com/media/photos/1/2/8/9/3/128938/128938_dutaectdil_vlarge.jpg

Carano had to get naked to make weight.....that guy on the podium looks happy.

[Spooky Thoughts]

Yikes at the Arlovski fight end of the first round...ps...lol at tito's giant head in a tight necked shirt

[Xerxes]

http://assets.proelite.com/media/photos/1/2/8/9/3/128938/128938_dutaectdil_vlarge.jpg

Carano had to get naked to make weight.....that guy on the podium looks happy.

Just wow... She'd never make weight on my watch without stripping. ^_^

[Sandman]

Kimbo got knocked the fuck out.

[Spooky Thoughts]

lol kimbo got beaten by a shlub

[Xerxes]

Kimbo should be ashamed of himself.

[PathMaster]

14 seconds and he was down. And Rogue, Gina is MINE!

[Lance Uppercut]

More fuel for Dana White's fire; Kimbo got KTFO by a TUF reject.

[Wedge]

Well that was a collection of poor fights. I almost feel sorry for Kimbo. And it must suck for the female fighters to be a named a "special" event. How is that helping female fighters to be taken seriously?

[Lutheran]

Isn't that Gina's dad holding the towel in his teeth? She is a tough girl , but cyborg will be tough for her to beat.

[Lutheran]

Oh and Kimbo is finished , what a horrible fight. He lost to a guy who can't even make the undercard on a UFC show. Still I think Kimbo would beat Shamerock.

[Crowe]

KIMBO LOST??? LOL. I have been out for the last 2 weeks and haven't watched any MMA. I came in here to spiel about Kimbo needing real competitions only to find out he got beaten by the Ken Shamrock. That right there is classic shit.

Kimbo was always a joke, he had no ground game, no cardio, he couldn't even knock out James Thompson. Nothing is funnier watching a fighter being fed only to lose.

[Lance Uppercut]

Well that was a collection of poor fights. I almost feel sorry for Kimbo. And it must suck for the female fighters to be a named a "special" event. How is that helping female fighters to be taken seriously?

I disagree; aside from the Kimbo fight, I thought the rest of the matches were decent. Jake Shields has great jiu-jitsu, but lacking standup; if he thinks he can hold his own against St. Pierre, he's in for a rude awakening. Rua/Radach had some nice back and forth action, but Ninja wasn't fighting smart, which is disappointing given his family name. The women's fight stole the spotlight as usual, which makes it sad that women's matches are only three 3-minute rounds. Give these girls 5-minute rounds!

[Lance Uppercut]

KIMBO LOST??? LOL. I have been out for the last 2 weeks and haven't watched any MMA. I came in here to spiel about Kimbo needing real competitions only to find out he got beaten by the Ken Shamrock. That right there is classic shit.

Kimbo was always a joke, he had no ground game, no cardio, he couldn't even knock out James Thompson. Nothing is funnier watching a fighter being fed only to lose.

Correction: Ken Shamrock was pulled from the card at the last minute due to a medical suspension, receiving a cut during training. Kimbo lost to a last-minute replacement, an Ultimate Fighter loser who weighed in at light-heavyweight.

[Crowe]

Correction: Ken Shamrock was pulled from the card at the last minute due to a medical suspension, receiving a cut during training. Kimbo lost to a last-minute replacement, an Ultimate Fighter loser who weighed in at light-heavyweight.

You couldn't make that shit up. Yeah I was over at Sherdog just then having a peek, nearly lost my sanity but I just seen it wasn't Shamrock. I'm kind of disappointed I was hoping Ken was going to secure a win lol.

[Crowe]

What the hell happened in that fight? What the fuck was that shit? I admit the quality of the video I just seen sucked, but those rights at the start looked like a joke.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Arlovski is (almost) always good for a show, but last EXC that Gina was on, I think she took fight of the night. I'm actually looking forward to that fight as well.

The only way I could be happy with the Shamrock / Kimbo fight is if a bull got loose in the ring and ended both of their careers.

Wow, it's almost as good as what I hoped for. I seriously doubt anyone is ever going to sign Ken for a fight again after he hung EXC out to dry with his little "injury," and watching Kimbo go down in 14 seconds to a UFC reject who took the fight on four hours notice and fights at a lower weight class kind of exposes him for the joke of an MMA fighter he is. I know this doesn't spell the end of his career, but it does take a lot of hot air out of the EXC hype balloon for him.

The girls lived up to expectations (I'd say fight of the night again), and I'm looking forward to Carano fighting Cyborg, only I really do wish they'd give them 5 minute rounds.

Ever since his knockout to Silvia, Arlovski hasn't been the same fighter. He needs to learn to open up like he used to and let his hands go. Every time he started being the aggressor last night, he was winning, but then he'd just clam up and let Nelson regain his composure. I'm glad he pulled out the victory anyway against fatty mctubs. That kind of would have been embarrassing if he hadn't.

[Wackman3000]

Having never seen this Gena Carano I went into the fights thinking it was all just a publicity stunt, since I have never in my life seen a hot chick would could actually do more than just pull hair and scream in a fight.

That being said, I was totally impressed with her performance last night. They put on an entertaining fight and she can really hold her own.

Kimbo is a chump who should go back to backyard brawling. Im sure Dana White was laughing his ass off seeing that one. And seeing Arlovski win always makes me happy.

[Sandman]

I'm wondering if last night's Elite XC main event wasn't fixed. What played out yesterday is a classic wrestling storyline. Only thing that was missing was Shamrock coming out before the bell and saying he was ready to go with or without a Doctor's clearance. Instead EXC pulls a guy from the undercard to replace him and the random undercard guy shocks the world. I've seen stuff like that done in wrestling many times.

[Xerxes]

I'm wondering if last night's Elite XC main event wasn't fixed. What played out yesterday is a classic wrestling storyline. Only thing that was missing was Shamrock coming out before the bell and saying he was ready to go with or without a Doctor's clearance. Instead EXC pulls a guy from the undercard to replace him and the random undercard guy shocks the world. I've seen stuff like that done in wrestling many times.

You smelling Rematch?

[Sandman]

You smelling Rematch?

If this doesn't kill Elite XC they could do a re-match and probably even still do Kimbo vs Shamrock. They made this deal with CBS based on the star power of Kimbo Slice and he got rolled over in what should be his element. That was essentially a street fight with a ref.

[Lutheran]

Yes he got exposed pretty bad , I mean the dude was backpedaling and hit him with a punch that couldn't have been that explosive but probably landed exactly where it had to and stunned him , once he feel down like that I knew he was finished. He has no clue what to do to defend himself on the ground , those punches to his head were not that vicious but he looked helpless so the ref stopped it.

[DiBiddilyBop]

I'm pretty sure we can say it wasn't fixed because there is no way EXC would intentionally get rid of their golden boy. That and MMA is real, unlike professional wrestling.

Kimbo is a joke. Everyone who followed MMA already knew that, but those who were seeing it for the first time on CBS didn't. Well... hopefully now they will.

[cassiusregicide]

Yes he got exposed pretty bad , I mean the dude was backpedaling and hit him with a punch that couldn't have been that explosive but probably landed exactly where it had to and stunned him , once he feel down like that I knew he was finished. He has no clue what to do to defend himself on the ground , those punches to his head were not that vicious but he looked helpless so the ref stopped it.

He wasn't just backpedaling, he was standing on one foot. That pretty much means he was only getting power for that punch with his upper body, not his hips. He must have caught Kimbo perfectly....This picture is priceless:D

http://www.sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop.php?image=http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20081004111303_IMG_1038.JPG&width_size=600

[Sandman]

I'm pretty sure we can say it wasn't fixed because there is no way EXC would intentionally get rid of their golden boy. That and MMA is real, unlike professional wrestling.

You can't be so sure of either of those.

1) Sure Kimbo is their golden boy but think about it now, Seth P is potentially just as big of a name as Kimbo ever was overnight. Someone in the EXC staff had to be thinking of that when they had Kimbo still fight on that card.

2) Yeah MMA is real but there have been moments on every Elite XC/CBS show that felt like it was fixed to me, especially that first one.

[cassiusregicide]

You can't be so sure of either of those.

1) Sure Kimbo is their golden boy but think about it now, Seth P is potentially just as big of a name as Kimbo ever was overnight. Someone in the EXC staff had to be thinking of that when they had Kimbo still fight on that card.

2) Yeah MMA is real but there have been moments on every Elite XC/CBS show that felt like it was fixed to me, especially that first one.

I don't know if I would go as far as to say the fights were fixed. I think there is some obvious pressure on the ref to give the poster boys a better chance, but outright fixing seems a little too far.

[Kagger]

Holy shit at your avatar! We got a long running joke about her. Started calling her Buttertooth the pirate after she got the patch. That's awesome.

What's with the Mother Angelica avatar/hate?

And dang, that Kimbo thing was hilarious. I had it DVRed, came home, and it was over and thought "man...Kimbo did it in the first round". Found out later what happened.

[Xerxes]

When they showed the replays. I focused on the audience. Mouths were wide open.

[Lance Uppercut]

If you watched closely, you could see EXC head honcho Jared Shaw shitting bricks when Kimbo was getting beat.

[Sandman]

If you watched closely, you could see EXC head honcho Jared Shaw shitting bricks when Kimbo was getting beat.

I saw that, screaming into someone's ear on his cell phone.

[Crowe]

Not fixed, Kimbo is just that god damn bad. He's gotten fame and no doubt a small fortune so he still got what he wanted out of it.

[Mdot]

Bring on Penn/GSP 2.

[Khrymsyn]

On one hand, I'm glad that Kimbo got shown for the sham he is. I mean, I give the guy credit for trying to clean up and go legit and stuff, but EXC propping him up as "the man" of MMA is just disgraceful. It's not like you see the UFC giving Brock Lesnar title shots after .... oh wait...

The one positive to take away from the EXC/Affliction scenario though is there's a LOT more MMA available on TV now. UFC is throwing old PPVs and Fight Nights at Spike like no-one's business.

[DiBiddilyBop]

The only thing you really need to take away from the Kimbo fight is that this is what happens when you put a joke like Kimbo up against someone who is even a mediocre fighter. Kimbo has been sheltered from real fighters and this was his first taste of an MMA fight. Don't expect a repeat though as EXC will do everything in their power to bring him back under their wing shelter him from real fighters.

It's not like you see the UFC giving Brock Lesnar title shots after .... oh wait...

While this is true, Lesnar isn't the joke Kimbo is. Lesnar can actually fight. He's still sloppy and doesn't quite know what he's doing, but you can't write off someone who had Mir on his back and won a decisive victory against Herring. I wish Lesnar was less publicity stunt and more fighter, but it is what it is.

Bisping, on the other hand, is the overrated UFC star IMHO. He keeps getting softball fights lobbed in his direction and, to the best of my knowledge, has never fought outside of England since the start of his UFC career. I'd really like to see him fight someone worth a damn.

[Harv]

Kimbo was about to fight a guy who is close to being in a wheelchair and hasn't won a fight against anyone since 2004. Then they put him up against a guy who was a middle of the road UFC prospect and he gets beat down in 14 seconds. Dana White must be laughing his ass off after this one.

[cassiusregicide]

Bisping, on the other hand, is the overrated UFC star IMHO. He keeps getting softball fights lobbed in his direction and, to the best of my knowledge, has never fought outside of England since the start of his UFC career. I'd really like to see him fight someone worth a damn.


While I agree that Bisping needs to fight some tougher competition, I understand the UFC's choices. As for having most of his fights in England, he's marketable and the best way to establish the brand in Europe. Maybe it's unfair, but it's good for business. Assuming he beats Leben he'll probably get to fight Hendo. Then we'll see what he can do.

[Harv]

I think Bisping can beat Leben. Leben is tough, but I think Bisping is bigger at 185 than Leben and a better striker. Should be a good fight.

[Wackman3000]

I think Bisping can beat Leben. Leben is tough, but I think Bisping is bigger at 185 than Leben and a better striker. Should be a good fight.

You think? I expect Bisping to demolish that fucking moron and I can only pray that he kills him in the process. I hate Leben with a passion.

[Lutheran]

Bisping wins easy , Leben is a one trick pony. He has guts but he's not at Bispings level.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Leben is to Bisping what Shamrock was meant to be to Kimbo. A sacrificial lamb that has a name but not the skill to back it up, and an easy win to boost up the fighter.

I highly doubt you'd find anyone who would put money on Leben winning the fight (unless the odds are 10,000:1, in which case you should always take the bet).

[Lutheran]

He has a punchers chance , like most UFC fighters with some standup skills..Bisping should beat him pretty easily as he is clearly the more talented fighter. But if GSP can lose to a lucky punch , anyone can.

[Crowe]

I like Bisping at 185, he's looking smooth and aggressive. I see him demolishing Leben but this is MMA so anything is possible. I look forward to him and Anderson Silva going at it, everyone will know what hes made of after that fight.

[DiBiddilyBop]

I like Bisping at 185, he's looking smooth and aggressive. I see him demolishing Leben but this is MMA so anything is possible. I look forward to him and Anderson Silva going at it, everyone will know what hes made of after that fight.

True, anything's possible.

Although I don't think an Anderson Silva fight really shows what a fighter is made of. Silva has a way of turning even the most talented of fighters into the retarded kid getting beat up on the playground.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Word round the rumor mill is Petruzelli was specifically told pre-fight that it was in his interest to keep the fight standing and not attempt to take Kimbo down.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/petruzelli-fights-controversial-statement-14697

[Sandman]

Word round the rumor mill is Petruzelli was specifically told pre-fight that it was in his interest to keep the fight standing and not attempt to take Kimbo down.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/petruzelli-fights-controversial-statement-14697

That clearly backfired on Elite XC.

[Lutheran]

Petruzelli has backtracked from those comments , surprisingly enough. Kimbo vs Shamerock would still be a large attraction as people will watch to see Shamerock get knocked out by a guy who was a failure AGAINST a guy who was a failure in TUF.

[Sandman]

Petruzelli has backtracked from those comments , surprisingly enough. Kimbo vs Shamerock would still be a large attraction as people will watch to see Shamerock get knocked out by a guy who was a failure AGAINST a guy who was a failure in TUF.

The thing is whether or not he can fight Kimbo is still a character and MMA doesn't have many big personalities like a Kimbo Slice. I would compare Kimbo to Hulk Hogan. You didn't go to a Hulk Hogan match because he would give you a 60 minute wrestling classic, you went to a Hulk Hogan match because he was the Hulkster.

[Xerxes]

The thing is whether or not he can fight Kimbo is still a character and MMA doesn't have many big personalities like a Kimbo Slice. I would compare Kimbo to Hulk Hogan. You didn't go to a Hulk Hogan match because he would give you a 60 minute wrestling classic, you went to a Hulk Hogan match because he was the Hulkster.

Wrong. I went for a good fight.

[Lutheran]

The thing is whether or not he can fight Kimbo is still a character and MMA doesn't have many big personalities like a Kimbo Slice. I would compare Kimbo to Hulk Hogan. You didn't go to a Hulk Hogan match because he would give you a 60 minute wrestling classic, you went to a Hulk Hogan match because he was the Hulkster.

I agree , but still Slice would fall off the face of the earth if he stopped knocking people out and started tapping out of every fight. I don't care how much of a character he is , when people see that he can't compete against real fighters he will disappear. He will knock out Sham-rock because the dude has been finished for a few years now. In his heyday he would have rolled Kimbo up into a little ball and bounced him right out of the ring.

[DiBiddilyBop]

The thing is whether or not he can fight Kimbo is still a character and MMA doesn't have many big personalities like a Kimbo Slice. I would compare Kimbo to Hulk Hogan. You didn't go to a Hulk Hogan match because he would give you a 60 minute wrestling classic, you went to a Hulk Hogan match because he was the Hulkster.

This cries out to me as something that's wrong with the mentality many people have when they watch MMA. A lot of fans, particularly those who gravitated toward professional wrestling previously, are watching for a spectacle. They feel the need to see some big personality in the ring, bragging about how they're going to crush their opponent or whatever. That's the *only* reason anyone gives a damn about a Shamrock vs. Slice fight.

Personally, I don't care how boisterous or reserved a fighter is. I just want a fighter than knows how to fight. I don't care if it's a fighter that goes straight for the throat like Fedor, who dances around the ring and picks apart their opponent like Machida, or who's as likely to punch you out as tap you out like GSP... I just want to watch skilled fighters do their thing.

Basically what I'm saying is keep the Hulkster the fuck out of MMA. Watching assclowns like Kimbo enter the ring and pretend they're some sort of prodigy is a disgusting joke to anyone who wants to see MMA grow as a legitimate, credible sport. I'm disappointed that Kimbo ever gained any kind of legitimacy as an MMA fighter, and sincerely hope that EXC gives Petruzelli a rematch to show what a middle-rate fighter can do to a farce like Kimbo. Unfortunately from what I've read, neither EXC or Kimbo want to let that happen.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Totally forgot to mention this article (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=ArlOUqemJ5CwJaaExclQVp45nYcB?slug=dw-petruzelli100708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns) which mentions that Kimbo demanded a cash bonus on top of his 500k payout to take the fight with Petruzelli instead of Shamrock. So much for anyone, anytime, anywhere.

[Lance Uppercut]

Kimbo never pretended to be anything. In all the interviews and stuff I've seen him in, he acknowledges the fact that he is essentially an MMA fighter in training. But someone offered him a great deal of money to be a headliner, and he's got kids to feed. I'd take the money too.

[Harv]

You think? I expect Bisping to demolish that fucking moron and I can only pray that he kills him in the process. I hate Leben with a passion.

I think Leben will put up a good fight. I don't think Bisping gets a KO on this one. So far Leben has only been KOed by A.Silva.

[Schnoogs]

You think? I expect Bisping to demolish that fucking moron and I can only pray that he kills him in the process. I hate Leben with a passion.

You're in for a rude awakening. Leben is gonna make this an all out war. He has an iron chin, heavy hands and a great wrestling base.

Bisping may out point him but I don't see him knocking him out or submitting him.

[Lutheran]

I agree , I don't see Leben being knocked out as he does have a great chin and a ton of guts. I know alot of people don't like him as he is a strange dude what with the hair and all but anyone who stands in there and will fight anyone they throw at him is well worth watching and rooting for. I have no love at all for Bisping but he is the more talented fighter , at least on paper.

[Xerxes]

Kimbo never pretended to be anything. In all the interviews and stuff I've seen him in, he acknowledges the fact that he is essentially an MMA fighter in training. But someone offered him a great deal of money to be a headliner, and he's got kids to feed. I'd take the money too.

Exactly. The dude disappeared from online to get serious and they pulled him to early for the quick money. He probably never would have been any good but he was trying.

[Khrymsyn]

I agree with the folks that say Lieben won't be knocked out. I think anyone who's watched his fights has seen that when Chris gets rocked, he actually gets STRONGER. It's the most bizarre thing ever. It's like you've got to hit the guy square to wake him up.

Not saying Lieben will win, just saying he won't be a walk over by KO. TKO due to a cut or tapout on the other hand? very possible.

[Wackman3000]

You're in for a rude awakening. Leben is gonna make this an all out war. He has an iron chin, heavy hands and a great wrestling base.

Bisping may out point him but I don't see him knocking him out or submitting him.

I get that he has a chin but I still see him laying on the canvass before the 3rd round. Bisping is not just going to stand in the pocket and let Leben throw his wild punches, and I can't see his wrestling working that effectively on a guy who is definitely bigger, stronger and faster.

Care to make a bet? It makes the fights so much more entertaining for me when I have some money riding on a fight, even if it's just a $5 paypal transaction. :D

[Crowe]

The fact is, if Shamrock takes the fight to the ground Kimbo's knee would probably be ruined for life, Ken might be old an long past being a great fighter but I would bet my life on it that he could still put on a dangerous leg submission with ease, especially against someone so useless on the mat. But now we know that's not going to happen, he was definitely asked to keep the fight standing (just like Petruzelli, retracted statements or not.) and I guarantee there was something in it for him if he did.

"Dana white doesn't know how to build a Superstar", "I would never have given Lesner to Mir". Not direct quotes and finding them would take too long, but these came from Gary Shaw. And when I read it the first time I knew Elite XC was going to be a fucking joke, not only were they going to feed fighters to Kimbo they were clearly going to go out of the way to make sure he won. Who knows what has gone on behind the scenes but I guarantee Ken Shamrock wasn't going to take the fight to the ground.

I don't want Hulksters in MMA and I don't want Gary Shaws ruining MMA's image by feeding their fighters and then making absurd claims about them. Kimbo is not one of the top strikers in the heavyweight division Gary and feeding him to the top makes your org look like a joke. People may not like Dana White but he wasn't afraid to throw Brock Lesner into the frying pan.

You can't blame Elite XC for wanting to make their promotion legit, up their with the UFC, but they could have used a bit of subtlety. Getting into a war of words with Dana White isn't the best thing to do when your making such absurd claims that could and did come back to bite you right on the arse.

[Xerxes]

Why didn't Kimbo just try boxing. It's probably something easier for a brawler to exceed at.

[Harv]

Why didn't Kimbo just try boxing. It's probably something easier for a brawler to exceed at.

No chance. Boxing is an extremely specialized fighting skill with numerous nuances to the training that guys spend years mastering. The guys who are big money pros have years of fighting in a ring. Kimbo could easily have gotten into boxing at a very low level, but there is no chance he could have been fighting on a main card at a professional level after only a year of training like he has done with MMA.

MMA is still relatively new. At the highest levels MMA is a lot like boxing in that it requires extreme levels of commitment and years of training, but the thing is there are relatively few people doing MMA at a professional level compared to boxing so the lowest levels and the upper levels often mix. You can be relatively unskilled and fight as a "Pro" in MMA. It helps when you are fed the other cans from around the MMA world as your first fights.

[Schnoogs]

I get to meet Dan Henderson and Matt Lindland tomorrow at the Team Quest grand opening in Tualatin, Oregon.

Pretty excited to see how big these guys are in person. I walk around at around 200lbs but I know these guys have much bigger frames and cut weight. If I can get some pics I'll post them.

[Xerxes]

No chance. Boxing is an extremely specialized fighting skill with numerous nuances to the training that guys spend years mastering. The guys who are big money pros have years of fighting in a ring. Kimbo could easily have gotten into boxing at a very low level, but there is no chance he could have been fighting on a main card at a professional level after only a year of training like he has done with MMA.

MMA is still relatively new. At the highest levels MMA is a lot like boxing in that it requires extreme levels of commitment and years of training, but the thing is there are relatively few people doing MMA at a professional level compared to boxing so the lowest levels and the upper levels often mix. You can be relatively unskilled and fight as a "Pro" in MMA. It helps when you are fed the other cans from around the MMA world as your first fights.

Oh I'm not saying boxing is for softy training wise. But as a brawler, all he knows is standing and throwing punches. He'd still need alot of refinement but as you can see he really needs that to even take MMA serious. He's in the right area as opposed to folks with kicks and floor fighting. I think his internet background could have helped along the way. Not to many serious heavy weight fighters out there either. Getting a belt? I hardly think so. Being a challenger for someone would at least to make a interesting fight.

[Harv]

I get to meet Dan Henderson and Matt Lindland tomorrow at the Team Quest grand opening in Tualatin, Oregon.

Pretty excited to see how big these guys are in person. I walk around at around 200lbs but I know these guys have much bigger frames and cut weight. If I can get some pics I'll post them.

Nice. Definitely get some pics with them.

Oh I'm not saying boxing is for softy training wise. But as a brawler, all he knows is standing and throwing punches. He'd still need alot of refinement but as you can see he really needs that to even take MMA serious. He's in the right area as opposed to folks with kicks and floor fighting. I think his internet background could have helped along the way. Not to many serious heavy weight fighters out there either. Getting a belt? I hardly think so. Being a challenger for someone would at least to make a interesting fight.

Eh, I think any halfway decent boxer would eat Kimbo for breakfast making it not a very interesting fight overall. Besides boxing and street fighting don't really connect on a marketing level. The whole ultimate fighting thing started as bringing the street into the ring, which is what they are playing off of. I don't think Kimbo would have been much of a draw as a boxer.

[Schnoogs]

Kimbo's appeal is his knock out power....MMA is best at displaying that...in boxing he would either get out pointed or would simply gas out.

With those larger boxing gloves and the clinch he wouldn't be as effective.

[DiBiddilyBop]

I've probably watched the Kimbo vs. Petruzelli fight 10 times now, and what I learned in those six minutes is that neither one of the fighters have anything to be proud of.

Kimbo starts by taking the aggressive stance and running at Petruzelli. Petruzelli backpeddles and does his best "please don't hurt me, mister" pose with one leg in the air and hopping backward. When he hits the fence, he throws a front push kick to Kimbo's thigh and a right hook that probably derives most of its power from Petruzelli's wrist rather than his arm or body. Petruzelli liked to talk about how fighters know how to derive the power from their punches from their body, but he neglects to mention that "punch" was thrown with one foot in the air, which basically makes putting any power into it impossible. All it managed to do was make Kimbo lose his balance and knock him down on all fours. Since Kimbo isn't an MMA fighter, he doesn't know that you shouldn't sit there on all fours, but instead should roll on your back into guard. But instead, by sitting there like a dumbass, he let Petruzelli rain down some huge punches which is what actually damaged Kimbo and took him out.

[Schnoogs]

Kimbo was rocked though....I think strategy at that point goes out the window.

[Xerxes]

I've probably watched the Kimbo vs. Petruzelli fight 10 times now, and what I learned in those six minutes is that neither one of the fighters have anything to be proud of.

Kimbo starts by taking the aggressive stance and running at Petruzelli. Petruzelli backpeddles and does his best "please don't hurt me, mister" pose with one leg in the air and hopping backward. When he hits the fence, he throws a front push kick to Kimbo's thigh and a right hook that probably derives most of its power from Petruzelli's wrist rather than his arm or body. Petruzelli liked to talk about how fighters know how to derive the power from their punches from their body, but he neglects to mention that "punch" was thrown with one foot in the air, which basically makes putting any power into it impossible. All it managed to do was make Kimbo lose his balance and knock him down on all fours. Since Kimbo isn't an MMA fighter, he doesn't know that you shouldn't sit there on all fours, but instead should roll on your back into guard. But instead, by sitting there like a dumbass, he let Petruzelli rain down some huge punches which is what actually damaged Kimbo and took him out.

Wow, it took longer to read you break down analysis than that fight.


Eh, I think any halfway decent boxer would eat Kimbo for breakfast making it not a very interesting fight overall. Besides boxing and street fighting don't really connect on a marketing level. The whole ultimate fighting thing started as bringing the street into the ring, which is what they are playing off of. I don't think Kimbo would have been much of a draw as a boxer.

You are right. At best he would have been Butter bean. And probably not even that.

[cassiusregicide]

I've probably watched the Kimbo vs. Petruzelli fight 10 times now, and what I learned in those six minutes is that neither one of the fighters have anything to be proud of.

Kimbo starts by taking the aggressive stance and running at Petruzelli. Petruzelli backpeddles and does his best "please don't hurt me, mister" pose with one leg in the air and hopping backward. When he hits the fence, he throws a front push kick to Kimbo's thigh and a right hook that probably derives most of its power from Petruzelli's wrist rather than his arm or body. Petruzelli liked to talk about how fighters know how to derive the power from their punches from their body, but he neglects to mention that "punch" was thrown with one foot in the air, which basically makes putting any power into it impossible. All it managed to do was make Kimbo lose his balance and knock him down on all fours. Since Kimbo isn't an MMA fighter, he doesn't know that you shouldn't sit there on all fours, but instead should roll on your back into guard. But instead, by sitting there like a dumbass, he let Petruzelli rain down some huge punches which is what actually damaged Kimbo and took him out.

Exactly right on the punch power. It all had to come from his arm on down with only one foot planted. It just goes to show that punch placement is just as important as power.

[Sandman]

Affliction Day of Reckoning Main Event:

Arlovski vs Fedor

01/24/09

[Xerxes]

Seth's myspace pics made me lol.

[Lutheran]

Affliction Day of Reckoning Main Event:

Arlovski vs Fedor

01/24/09


Fedor in under 2 minutes

[Schnoogs]

Affliction Day of Reckoning Main Event:

Arlovski vs Fedor

01/24/09

INSANE MATCHUP. Arlovski could pull this off...he's a fantastic boxer as far as MMA fighters go.

But if Fedor takes it to the ground it's over....fast and painfully!

[Wackman3000]

Affliction Day of Reckoning Main Event:

Arlovski vs Fedor

01/24/09

Hell yes! Finally Fedor fighting someone who I'm interested in watching.

Not sure how to predict a fight like this but I see Fedor wanting to close the gap and take it to the mat. If Arlovski can manage to stay in the pocket and swing, it could end up a great fight.

[Schnoogs]

Just got back from Team Quest grand opening. Place was very impressive...huge turn out. I signed up naturally! ;)

Dan Henderson and Matt Lindland were there. I was surprised at how small they look in person. I was the same height as Lindland and taller than Hendo which really surprised me. Maybe I'm not as small as I thought! ;)

I'll post pics when I can.

Henderson was very cool in person. He was very friendly and had no problem talking about MMA fights like he was just hanging out with his buddies or something. We were talking about all things MMA including his upcoming fight with Franklin.

[Lutheran]

INSANE MATCHUP. Arlovski could pull this off...he's a fantastic boxer as far as MMA fighters go.

But if Fedor takes it to the ground it's over....fast and painfully!

It will be a nice fight hopefully , I like Arlovski and he has a shot at winning since he has speed and can box. A real slim shot but a shot.

[Harv]

Arlovski got KOed by Tim Sylvia. I don't see him winning against Fedor with his chin. I think he is a better matchup against Fedor than Sylvia was though. Probably will last a little longer than the 45 seconds or so it took Fedor to dismantle Sylvia.

[Schnoogs]

Arlovski got KOed by Tim Sylvia. I don't see him winning against Fedor with his chin. I think he is a better matchup against Fedor than Sylvia was though. Probably will last a little longer than the 45 seconds or so it took Fedor to dismantle Sylvia.

The chin argument doesn't hold up...it never did. Tim Sylvia could knock out an elephant...that hardly means his opponents have glass jaws.

In the 3rd AA vs. Sylvia fight Sylvia even joked "looks like he got that chin fixed". AA took hits from both Nelson and Rothwell and was fine.

[Harv]

The chin argument doesn't hold up...it never did. Tim Sylvia could knock out an elephant...that hardly means his opponents have glass jaws.

In the 3rd AA vs. Sylvia fight Sylvia even joked "looks like he got that chin fixed". AA took hits from both Nelson and Rothwell and was fine.

Arlovski has gotten much more conservative with his fighting style and isn't sticking his neck out as much, but the fact is he got KOed by Sylvia. Fedor has no real losses on his record. He hasn't even come close to getting knocked out.

I'm not saying Arlovski has a glass jaw and I probably shouldn't have made it a chin argument in the first place, I'm just saying that there are chinks in his armor on the feet that Fedor is sure to take advantage of. There is no chance that Arlovski beats Fedor on the ground so he has to keep it standing and it seems quite likely that Fedor could pull off a KO if Arlovski engages with him in close. I think though that Arlovski will probably be conservative and try not to get inside with Fedor.

After he had such a long layoff from fighting quality competition and with guys like Cro Cop getting wiped out in the UFC I was skeptical of Fedor's abilities, but that Sylvia fight really opened my eyes up again to how good he really is.

[Lutheran]

Arlovski has gotten much more conservative with his fighting style and isn't sticking his neck out as much, but the fact is he got KOed by Sylvia. Fedor has no real losses on his record. He hasn't even come close to getting knocked out.

I'm not saying Arlovski has a glass jaw and I probably shouldn't have made it a chin argument in the first place, I'm just saying that there are chinks in his armor on the feet that Fedor is sure to take advantage of. There is no chance that Arlovski beats Fedor on the ground so he has to keep it standing and it seems quite likely that Fedor could pull off a KO if Arlovski engages with him in close. I think though that Arlovski will probably be conservative and try not to get inside with Fedor.

After he had such a long layoff from fighting quality competition and with guys like Cro Cop getting wiped out in the UFC I was skeptical of Fedor's abilities, but that Sylvia fight really opened my eyes up again to how good he really is.



Fedor did get close one time to being lit up , he did a quick little happy dance and tied the dude up but he was clearly stunned. I don't give him much of a chance against Fedor but he has a chance. He can punch and has a lot of speed , otoh he is a big 0 on the ground and there is no doubt they will end up there even if Arlovski can somehow knock Fedor down..even on the bottom and dazed Fedor will take home an arm against a guy with little ground skills. Arlovski has to knock him out to win and I just don't see that happening.

[Schnoogs]

Fedor did get close one time to being lit up , he did a quick little happy dance and tied the dude up but he was clearly stunned. I don't give him much of a chance against Fedor but he has a chance. He can punch and has a lot of speed , otoh he is a big 0 on the ground and there is no doubt they will end up there even if Arlovski can somehow knock Fedor down..even on the bottom and dazed Fedor will take home an arm against a guy with little ground skills. Arlovski has to knock him out to win and I just don't see that happening.

That was against Fujita and Fedor was ROCKED.

He then countered though with a SICK liver kick and got the choke in...Fedor is not human!

[Lance Uppercut]

Fedor survived a Randleplex and won. He can handle Arlovski's punches, I think.

[cassiusregicide]

Not to mention, Fedor knows exactly what to watch out for against AA, his fists. As dangerous as they are, AA needs a couple more serious weapons to really keep someone of Fedors caliber on his toes.

[Lance Uppercut]

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3638757

Shamrock vs. Shamrock is on.

Maybe they can both knock each other out.

[Schnoogs]

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3638757

Shamrock vs. Shamrock is on.

Maybe they can both knock each other out.

A family of washed up has beens....yawn. :cool:

[Xerxes]

I'd like to see Bob Sapp vs Kimbo Slice. It's like a bottom on the totem pole fight.

[Schnoogs]

I'd like to see Bob Sapp vs Kimbo Slice. It's like a bottom on the totem pole fight.

I'd like to see Fedor fight both of them at the same time.

Retire both of those side show freaks.

[Schnoogs]

LAME!!! Goran Reljic has dropped from UFC 90 due to injury. More here (http://sherdog.com/news/news/reljic-out-of-ufc-90-14755).

I like this kid...kind of a younger, smaller crocop.

[Felonous]

Damn it Affliction, get your shit straight and put on another event. I want to see Fedor fight before the end of the year.

[Crowe]

I only see Arlovski standing a chance if he looks to bang straight up, he needs to come out and try to overwhelm Fedor, maybe open a decent cut. But I don't see that happening so yet again it's going to be Fedor via 1st round K.O or Sub.

[Harv]

Anybody else think Patrick Cote has a snowballs chance in hell of beating Anderson Silva?

[Sandman]

Anybody else think Patrick Cote has a snowballs chance in hell of beating Anderson Silva?

Maybe but he'd have to get lucky.

[DiBiddilyBop]

A snowball's chance in hell are about the odds I'd give him.

Shamrock vs. Shamrock is a bad joke of a fight. I could see it going into the second round and they just decide to "hug it out, bitch." Then walk out of the ring, hand-in-hand, singing "You are my sunshine."

Arlovski vs. Fedor is going to be exciting to see. I'm going to root for Arlovski, but the odds are heavily in Fedor's favor. I really think this is the best fight we could possibly see outside the UFC until Randy fulfills his contract with the UFC and makes that fight happen. I bet Dana has been kicking himself over the past few months for not grabbing Fedor when he had the chance, regardless of whether or not he liked Fedor's terms.

[Harv]

A snowball's chance in hell are about the odds I'd give him.

Shamrock vs. Shamrock is a bad joke of a fight. I could see it going into the second round and they just decide to "hug it out, bitch." Then walk out of the ring, hand-in-hand, singing "You are my sunshine."

Arlovski vs. Fedor is going to be exciting to see. I'm going to root for Arlovski, but the odds are heavily in Fedor's favor. I really think this is the best fight we could possibly see outside the UFC until Randy fulfills his contract with the UFC and makes that fight happen. I bet Dana has been kicking himself over the past few months for not grabbing Fedor when he had the chance, regardless of whether or not he liked Fedor's terms.

Well, Fedor's deal is such that he can fight for any promotion so he could fight Randy in the UFC if the UFC works out a deal. The thing is Dana won't cross promote anyone else or at least that is how he is playing it. So if Fedor fights in the UFC it is UFC all the way.

[Schnoogs]

Cote is gonna get raped

[Wackman3000]

Cote is gonna get raped

Of course he is. I'm honestly convinced Silva isn't even human but a battledroid.

[Wedge]

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3638757

Shamrock vs. Shamrock is on.

Maybe they can both knock each other out.

Haha, great. I've been waiting for this. It is going to be a really guilty pleasure watching it (if it happens).

[Lutheran]

If they play it straight up , Frank should beat up Ken pretty easily. Fedor eats Arlovski for lunch and Cote shouldn't even bother to show up.

[astronautsando]

I just really hope that the rumored GSP vs. Silva superfight really is up next after Cote/Penn: http://mmalinker.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=15455

[DiBiddilyBop]

Wow... talk about the weight of the world on GSP's shoulders.

Penn isn't going to be a walk in the park, but I see GSP as the victor in that fight. Against Silva though... that might be a different story. Silva is inhuman.

[Schnoogs]

Wow... talk about the weight of the world on GSP's shoulders.

Penn isn't going to be a walk in the park, but I see GSP as the victor in that fight. Against Silva though... that might be a different story. Silva is inhuman.

Somewhe Chonan is laughing right now.

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[DiBiddilyBop]

And in the last four years, we haven't seen anything even remotely similar to that.

I could say that since then, Silva has "upped his game," although "made a deal with the devil for preternatural skill" is probably more accurate.

[Schnoogs]

He's human and beatable...the UFC has several guys who can do so.

[DiBiddilyBop]

I won't say GSP isn't capable, I'm just thinking it's not probable. I know I've made some exaggerations, but Silva has been on his A game for several fights and is one of the best (if not the best) pound-for-pound fighters in the world. I don't see him going down any time soon.

[Crowe]

GSP's wrestling would have to be spot on, and he would have to take every advantage he could when he took the fight to the ground. I can see Georges having a fair crack at taking this fight, he would also want to have a fight or two in MW just too ready himself both physically and mentally. If there is one thing that's lets Georges down it's his mental game, with Hughes and Serra 1.

I see him faring much better than Rich Franklin, he faster, more agile and he excels in the one area that you want to excel in when it comes to A. Silva.

[Schnoogs]

GSP's wrestling would have to be spot on, and he would have to take every advantage he could when he took the fight to the ground. I can see Georges having a fair crack at taking this fight, he would also want to have a fight or two in MW just too ready himself both physically and mentally. If there is one thing that's lets Georges down it's his mental game, with Hughes and Serra 1.

I see him faring much better than Rich Franklin, he faster, more agile and he excels in the one area that you want to excel in when it comes to A. Silva.

The "mental" criticism of St. Pierre ranks up there with Arlovski's glass jaw. It's a bogus argument based on ONE fight.

The other 17 fights he won he displayed about as much mental toughness as I've ever seen. He was beating Hughes in their first fight and made a TACTICAL error.

[Crowe]

The "mental" criticism of St. Pierre ranks up there with Arlovski's glass jaw. It's a bogus argument based on ONE fight.

The other 17 fights he won he displayed about as much mental toughness as I've ever seen.

It's not really a criticism. And I should have used mental preparation instead, in both his last loses he himself talked about how he wasn't mentally prepared as well as he could have been. I would just rather see him go up to MW and have a few fights to give himself the confidence.

Hughes 1 was a lack of confidence (he couldn't look Hughes in the eyes come stare down, and until he seen the fight replay he thought was losing.), with Serra he thought he was maybe a little overconfident. To me though, he looked to be fighting his usual fight and Serra just caught him a great one.

[cassiusregicide]

The thing is that St. Pierre won't have too much pressure when fighting Silva. When you step up a weight class and your belt is not on the line, there isn't much to lose. If Silva beats him, most people will say that it was supposed to happen. He will probably have far more pressure when B.J. fights him at welter weight.

[Crowe]

The thing is that St. Pierre won't have too much pressure when fighting Silva. When you step up a weight class and your belt is not on the line, there isn't much to lose. If Silva beats him, most people will say that it was supposed to happen. He will probably have far more pressure when B.J. fights him at welter weight.

That's true too.

[Harv]

The "mental" criticism of St. Pierre ranks up there with Arlovski's glass jaw. It's a bogus argument based on ONE fight.

The other 17 fights he won he displayed about as much mental toughness as I've ever seen. He was beating Hughes in their first fight and made a TACTICAL error.

Considering that GSP has admitted that he had some mental issues and even saw a sport psychologist for them I think this point is a bit more valid. Still, it's a minor problem in the grand scheme of things and one that he seems to have under control.

[Harv]

Looks like A.Silva plans to retire in 2009. He has six fights left on his current contract.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/silva-my-time-is-already-over-14785

[cassiusregicide]

Looks like A.Silva plans to retire in 2009. He has six fights left on his current contract.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/silva-my-time-is-already-over-14785

I think I saw Franklin jump for joy.:)

It'll suck to see him go, but I don't blame him. In another year or so he'll be 35. Better to go out on top and on your own terms.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Looks like A.Silva plans to retire in 2009. He has six fights left on his current contract.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/silva-my-time-is-already-over-14785

Wow, that's big news. But yeah, I'd have to agree... better to go out on top than hang around and keep trying to fight when it's painfully obvious that time has passed you by. Like Ken Shamrock.

[Lance Uppercut]

Mixed feelings about his retirement. He still has way more than 6 fights in him, but going out on top is probably best.

[Sandman]

You always have to wonder....is this a retirement from fighting or a retirement from UFC.

[Harv]

You always have to wonder....is this a retirement from fighting or a retirement from UFC.

The guy does ask in the interview whether he is dissatisfied with his pay rate considering that other fighters are making more than him and having less success. He brushes it off, but you never know. Chances are one of these other orgs will pay him Fedor money to come over and light their Christmas tree up. Assuming they are still around by the time he finishes up his contract.

I think it does hurt his marketability over here that he does not speak much english.

[Crowe]

Of course he's pissed off about the pay. He's human just like the rest of us and I would bet my life on it that behind closed doors and in his own mind he is thinking about his success in the division and the pay that he is receiving for it.

[Lance Uppercut]

This may all just be a ploy to try to coax out megabucks from Dana for a triumphant return from retirement.

[DiBiddilyBop]

It'd be a good way to go about it. I mean, right now he's a staple of the UFC. The mere implication that he may not always stay that way would be a good incentive for the UFC to throw the big bucks at him and keep the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world fighting. It also might draw more of a crowd since, you know what they say, you never know what you have until it's gone.

[Schnoogs]

all right gents....lets pick.

Bisping by decision
Vera by TKO
Sokoudjou by KO
Davis by KO

[Crowe]

Tough one.

I'm going with Bisping via K.O.
Jardine via Decision.
Sokou via K.O.
Davis also K.O.

[Lance Uppercut]

Just finished a seminar with Rodrigo Gracie. The man knows how to kick ass, and I learned a lot of stuff for my upcoming tournament. Ryron's coming down at the end of the month, then Royce in November, so I'm gonna learn a lot of cool shit.

[Lutheran]

Fight between Bisping and Leben went pretty much how I thought it would go. Pretty decent fight I guess.

[Schnoogs]

I was wrong on all except Bisping via decision

[Wackman3000]

Leben did exactly what Bisping wanted him to do, charge at him so he could dodge and counter strike.

Gotta give Leben a bit of credit though. He is a much better fighter than he used to be but you can tell that stupid moronic whiny baby from the original TUF is still lurking in the shadows because as soon as he started getting walloped, he would revert back to his old style of wild punches.

Thought the Vera and Jardine fight was pretty good, at least the first round. Vera looks much better at that weight and I love the way he works elbows on from his back.

[Lutheran]

Lebens a tough dude , he can take/give a beating and is in good shape cardio wise from what I can see. He was just outclassed a little by Bisping , who is no threat to Silva IMHO.

[Lance Uppercut]

It's official (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/nov-8-elitexc-cancels-pro-elite-folds-14860): EliteXC is out of the fight business.

The real losers here? Its women's division. I was looking forward to Carano vs. Cyborg.

[Sandman]

It's official (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/nov-8-elitexc-cancels-pro-elite-folds-14860): EliteXC is out of the fight business.

The real losers here? Its women's division. I was looking forward to Carano vs. Cyborg.

Damn you, I was gathering my thoughts for a thread about it.

[Xerxes]

Its women's division. I was looking forward to Carano vs. Cyborg.
Could still happen else where right?

[Lance Uppercut]

Damn you, I was gathering my thoughts for a thread about it.

What's stopping you? Do it anyway.

And yes, the fight could happen elsewhere. The most likely scenario is Affliction creates a women's division, since Dana White wants nothing to do with girls fighting.

With all these free agents floating about now, who's picking up who? Jake Shields is in need of better welterweight competition, so I could see him going to UFC. I don't know if they'd take back Nick Diaz, though, since he's also fighting in DREAM and the UFC loves its exclusivity contracts. Ditto for Eddie Alvarez. Anderson Silva needs some new opponents, so maybe they can get back Robbie Lawler.

[Xerxes]

What's stopping you? Do it anyway.

And yes, the fight could happen elsewhere. The most likely scenario is Affliction creates a women's division, since Dana White wants nothing to do with girls fighting.

With all these free agents floating about now, who's picking up who? Jake Shields is in need of better welterweight competition, so I could see him going to UFC. I don't know if they'd take back Nick Diaz, though, since he's also fighting in DREAM and the UFC loves its exclusivity contracts. Ditto for Eddie Alvarez. Anderson Silva needs some new opponents, so maybe they can get back Robbie Lawler.
Extra Extra!!! You heard it here first, women that can fight scare Dana White. He loves the wang!!

[Harv]

No one saw this coming right? Good that they are out of the game they had little to offer overall.

[Schnoogs]

No one saw this coming right? Good that they are out of the game they had little to offer overall.

I actually really enjoyed the last event. They've done a great job of upping the production values and the last one had great pacing and some entertaining fights.

And I thoroughly enjoyed watching Kimbo get KTFO!

[astronautsando]

Could still happen else where right?

I really hope so. Granted, the womens' talent pool isn't as deep, but the fights are super entertaining. The loss of this high-profile of a venue for women fighters is a real shame. And I was totally looking forward to the Carano/Cyborg fight.

[Schnoogs]

I really hope so. Granted, the womens' talent pool isn't as deep, but the fights are super entertaining. The loss of this high-profile of a venue for women fighters is a real shame. And I was totally looking forward to the Carano/Cyborg fight.

They shoud send the women to the WEC.

[DiBiddilyBop]

I could see the WEC starting a women's division. Strategically, I think that would make sense.

Edit: Schnoogs beat me to it

[Lutheran]

I think even Dana may think the Carano vs Cyborg fight would be pretty interesting..but I don't blame him for not endorsing the woman fights as most of them are probably pretty bad.

[cassiusregicide]

They shoud send the women to the WEC.

That's really not a bad idea. Especially if there is interest in moving the heavier weight classes to the UFC, then the women could fill in the extra time.

[Lance Uppercut]

Alrighty, UFC 90 predictions.

Maynard, decision
Sherk, decision
Werdum, submission Rd. 2
Koscheck, decision
Silva, flying knee Rd. 2

[cassiusregicide]

Sherk, decision
Werdum, Submission
Clementi, Submission
Alves, TKO
Silva, TKO

Man, I really wish that I could call a Cote upset, but I just don't feel that Silva's going to lose this one.

[Schnoogs]

Cote by ko!!!!!!!!

[cassiusregicide]

Cote by ko!!!!!!!!

Nice, someone had to do it.:D

[Lutheran]

Cote by ko!!!!!!!!

I know you know better then this but you will look like a genius if this happens so its worth the risk :D

[Harv]

Cote by ko!!!!!!!!

Heh, for second there I was like wha? Has the earth spun out of it's orbit? :D

[Lance Uppercut]

Well, that fight sucked.

[Wedge]

Well, that fight sucked.

Yeah, hate it when stuff like this happens. Everybody loses.

Otherwise it was an ok set of fights. I prefer a little more ground action, though. All the main fights remained standing up.

[Schnoogs]

So glad I didnt pay for this one...

[DiBiddilyBop]

Yeah, kinda disappointed I did. Not a great card.

[Lance Uppercut]

I was waiting for Silva to finish the guy with some quick, violent flurries, but instead we got to see him clown around for 2 rounds. How disappointing.

But if anybody should be pissed, it should be Anderson. I guarantee he won't be clowning around as much in his next fight.

[Harv]

Yeah, that was unfortunate that Cote reinjured that knee. Definitely not a very good end to a fight that I never expected to get past the second round.

[cassiusregicide]

Hopefully there will be a rematch once his knee is healed on a fight night. I know Silva wouldn't have a problem throwing in an extra fight.

[Wackman3000]

Yeah, that was unfortunate that Cote reinjured that knee. Definitely not a very good end to a fight that I never expected to get past the second round.

Only reason it went that far is because Silva spent more time doing his Roy Jones Jr/Bruce Lee impression then he did fighting. I understand he dances around often while setting up his kicks and stuff, but this was just too much. And to think that not once the ref told them to bring the action in that first round, yet for almost 3 minutes all he did was dance.

Fight of the night was definitely Sherk and Griffin and props goes out to Josh Koscheck for taking a fight short notice and for the amazing recovering ability he has. He good some nasty hits and managed to survive a guy I thought would run through him.

[Harv]

Only reason it went that far is because Silva spent more time doing his Roy Jones Jr/Bruce Lee impression then he did fighting. I understand he dances around often while setting up his kicks and stuff, but this was just too much. And to think that not once the ref told them to bring the action in that first round, yet for almost 3 minutes all he did was dance.

Fight of the night was definitely Sherk and Griffin and props goes out to Josh Koscheck for taking a fight short notice and for the amazing recovering ability he has. He good some nasty hits and managed to survive a guy I thought would run through him.

People have speculated based on watching it that Silva was really just toying with him and drawing out the fight. That's really one of those things that no one will know though and I doubt Silva would ever admit to, but you have to think that this guy has demolished people who Cote would be completely overwhelmed by so what other reason could there be for him not running through Cote? Does anyone see Cote beating Dan Henderson or Rich Franklin in spectacular fashion? Because that would be what it would take for Cote to equal the performance of Silva.

I just finished watching it and I can't help agreeing that Silva was toying with Cote in that fight. I mean he basically offered up little offense in the first two rounds waiting for Cote to come in on him and Cote didn't really do anything either. When Silva did move in on Cote he landed some solid accurate shots. Certainly Cote had almost no solid strikes on Silva and didn't take him down, so there is little reason to think Cote could have beaten Silva on the score cards and I get the feeling Silva was going to turn it up at some point. Those knees at the end of the second looked pretty nasty.

[Veregon]

I have to agree, we all know Silva likes to size up his opponents at the start of a fight but he's never done it for this long. It was funny hearing Rogan say that Cote is the first man to take Silva to the third round in the UFC as if it was a major accomplishment when Silva had thrown maybe 20 strikes total in the first 2 rounds and didn't move in for the kill at all.

[Lance Uppercut]

Urijah Faber is fighting this weekend, which is awesome.

What's not so awesome is that I don't have Versus.

If you have Versus, make sure you tune in to see the best fighter under 155 (though his equal may well be Kid Yamamoto, and a fight between them would be the greatest thing ever).

edit: Correction, he's fighting next Wednesday. Go see it if you can.

[astronautsando]

Lance already said it, but there are gonna be some excellent fights tonight on WEC. All four should be good ones (even though Filho blew it and didn't make weight).

Urijah Faber vs Mike Brown
Paulo Filho vs Chael Sonnen (re-match)
Jens Pulver vs Leonard Garcia
and if they show it, Rob McCullogh vs Donald Cerrone should all be some hot match-ups

[DiBiddilyBop]

Sweet, I'm going to have to DVR this fight and watch it when I get home. Looks like a killer card.

[Xerxes]

I want to challenge Carano in Ultimate Surrender. If you know what is... ;)
If not, I surely wouldn't look it up at work.

[Veregon]

Damnit I forgot to DVR the WEC event, hopefully they replay it.

[Khrymsyn]

All I've got to say is... wow.

There were some decent fights in... but the Paulo Filho vs Chael Sonnen SUCKED to watch.
It looked as if Filho didn't even want to be involved in the fight at all. He literally stayed on his back most of the match, trying to sucker Sonnen into a submission, but when it was standing up, barely did anything. Filho couldn't be bothered to make weight so it wasn't a title defense! Sonnen just kind of picked and picked... scoring points, boring fans. =) haha

Although the BIGGEST suprise of the night
Faber getting knocked the FUGGOUT!!! Wow... I completely did not see that coming at all.

[Lance Uppercut]

All I've got to say is... wow.

There were some decent fights in... but the Paulo Filho vs Chael Sonnen SUCKED to watch.
It looked as if Filho didn't even want to be involved in the fight at all. He literally stayed on his back most of the match, trying to sucker Sonnen into a submission, but when it was standing up, barely did anything. Filho couldn't be bothered to make weight so it wasn't a title defense! Sonnen just kind of picked and picked... scoring points, boring fans. =) haha

Although the BIGGEST suprise of the night
Faber getting knocked the FUGGOUT!!! Wow... I completely did not see that coming at all.

Faber telegraphed that standing elbow from a mile away. That was a cocky move, and he was asking to get knocked out. The whole fight reminded me of Serra vs. St. Pierre I, and I think Faber will be back for some revenge.

Filho was horrible, period.

[cassiusregicide]

So how does it work with Chael? Since there wasn't a title fight, do they have to fight again? It's got to be terribly irritating to have your champion not make weight.

[Lance Uppercut]

So how does it work with Chael? Since there wasn't a title fight, do they have to fight again? It's got to be terribly irritating to have your champion not make weight.

The UFC is absorbing WEC's middleweight and light heavy divisions, so by the end of this year the title won't mean anything.

[cassiusregicide]

The UFC is absorbing WEC's middleweight and light heavy divisions, so by the end of this year the title won't mean anything.

Ahhh...do you think the current WEC belt holders will become the default #1 contenders and have unification fights?

[Khrymsyn]

The UFC is absorbing WEC's middleweight and light heavy divisions, so by the end of this year the title won't mean anything.

How's that going to work? Is WEC disbanding, or is it just UFC = big guys and WEC = little dudes?

(honestly, I think quite often the little dudes put on more exciting fights)

[Lance Uppercut]

UFC = big guys and WEC = little dudes

Just like that.

[roboninja]

That WEC card was pretty awful. The Filho vs Sonnen was one of, if not the biggest joke I have ever seen in the cage. I have little doubt both of these guys will be dropped once UFC absorbs their weight class from WEC.

[DiBiddilyBop]

That WEC card was pretty awful. The Filho vs Sonnen was one of, if not the biggest joke I have ever seen in the cage. I have little doubt both of these guys will be dropped once UFC absorbs their weight class from WEC.

Obviously you didn't see Quarry vs. Starnes

[Wackman3000]

Obviously you didn't see Quarry vs. Starnes

Ive been scouring the internet looking for that quarry starnes GIF to no avail.... God that was the most embarrassing things I have ever seen.

[roboninja]

Obviously you didn't see Quarry vs. Starnes

Ummm, whaaa? I saw no such match, and the only Google results of Quarry vs Starnes talks about their UFC 83 match. The WEC site lists the card, and neither of those fighters are on there. Am I missing something? In case of confusion, I am talking about the Nov. 5th WEC event on VS (or TSN2 here in Canada).

EDIT God damn, I am a moron. You meant that that fight was the biggest joke you have seen. Lrn2read, me. Yeah, Quarry/Starnes may have been worse, but it was close.

The only good fight was Jake Rosholt Vs. Nissen Osterneck, just because Rosholt has a face that both looks like, and is as tough as a shovel.

[DiBiddilyBop]

http://i30.tinypic.com/sxjfc1.gif

[roboninja]

See, I still think Filho/Sonnen was worse. In Quarry/Starnes, one guy was at least acting like he wanted to fight.

[Wackman3000]

http://i30.tinypic.com/sxjfc1.gif

Yer the man cool guy... What an embarrassment. If you can give Dana White credit for anything, it's that he will NOT stand for fighters not engaging and he definitely proved it by canning that turnip Starnes.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Sonnen wanted to fight... but he was expecting a normal fight, not Filho running away the whole time. You have to give him some credit since his first fight with Filho resulted in him losing by being too aggressive. He just didn't want to repeat the same mistake.

[roboninja]

Sonnen wanted to fight... but he was expecting a normal fight, not Filho running away the whole time. You have to give him some credit since his first fight with Filho resulted in him losing by being too aggressive. He just didn't want to repeat the same mistake.

My friend and I watched the fight, and these were our thoughts:

Round 1: Why the fuck are you not stepping away and letting this guy up? You obviously do not want to go to the ground, and your little butt-kicks are doing absolutely nothing. For that reason alone, we were hoping he would lose for being a dumb fuck (although we were initially pulling for Sonnen, as a champ coming in 7 pounds overweight is pathetic).

Round 2: Okay, he is actually stepping away now. Could the corner guy that clued him in not have yelled this strategy to him during the first round? Anyhow, he is actually fighting some here, winning the stand-up game. This round was okay, but hardly exciting.

Round 3: Jabs that do not even move Filho's hair? Filho is glancing at someone out of the ring while he is squared up to Sonnen, and Sonnen does not pounce on this weakness? This is where the fight started to look like no one cared to fight at all anymore. Sonnen gave up, the fight never went to the ground in the third, but he still did nothing.


If you cannot tell, I really did not like that fight :D

[DiBiddilyBop]

There wasn't much to like about it. I can't blame Sonnen for round 1. That was purely for the points, which he won. At that point, I'm not sure he realized the Filho wasn't even going to put up a fight when it came back to the feet, so he was playing it safe on the score cards.

Round 2 was decent... Nothing impressive, but nothing to get too outraged about.

Round 3 was boring, but Sonnen knew he didn't have to do anything to win, so he didn't want to open up against a guy who technically was 16-0 and could potentially trap him in something.

Again, it was a bad fight, but I think most if not all the blame lies on Filho, not Sonnen. I want to see a rematch where Filho makes weight and Sonnen can get the title.

[roboninja]

There wasn't much to like about it. I can't blame Sonnen for round 1. That was purely for the points, which he won. At that point, I'm not sure he realized the Filho wasn't even going to put up a fight when it came back to the feet, so he was playing it safe on the score cards.

Round 2 was decent... Nothing impressive, but nothing to get too outraged about.

Round 3 was boring, but Sonnen knew he didn't have to do anything to win, so he didn't want to open up against a guy who technically was 16-0 and could potentially trap him in something.

Again, it was a bad fight, but I think most if not all the blame lies on Filho, not Sonnen. I want to see a rematch where Filho makes weight and Sonnen can get the title.

Okay, valid points. I just blame Sonnen a bit more than you do, but we can agree that Filho was most to blame.. While I guess a rematch might be good (I mean, their first match was pretty good), I would be wary.

[Wackman3000]

I have no respect for a fighter who can't make weight. It's essentially your only real requirement pre-fight and to be 7lbs over is just downright embarrassing. I know you obviously dont want to cancel a fight because of it, but do they get any penalty for fucking up like that? Like a deduction from their total purse money?

[DiBiddilyBop]

I have no respect for a fighter who can't make weight. It's essentially your only real requirement pre-fight and to be 7lbs over is just downright embarrassing. I know you obviously dont want to cancel a fight because of it, but do they get any penalty for fucking up like that? Like a deduction from their total purse money?

Yeah, they lose something like half the money they were going to make. It's a pretty steep penalty, as it should be. I just think it's unfortunate that the champ doesn't lose the belt as well in this situation.

[roboninja]

Yeah, they lose something like half the money they were going to make. It's a pretty steep penalty, as it should be. I just think it's unfortunate that the champ doesn't lose the belt as well in this situation.

I think that he might have been stripped (as far as I know, it is at the organization's discretion), but with the upcoming dissolution of these weight classes in WEC, it probably would not happen. Actually, the pending removal of these weight classes may have had some impact on the effort put forth by the fighters.

I agree, Wack, making weight is #1 on your list as a fighter. You can even tell from conversations with MMA fighters that not making weight is a very unprofessional thing to do.

[Wackman3000]

I just don't find it fair when a guy missed his weight completely, and still gets to fight. The way I see it is if he was 7lbs overweight at weigh in, he's probably 15+ lbs once they fight. I mean some guys cut upwards of 20lbs just to make weight, so anyone who can't shed 5 or so lbs is either lazy or just had a terrible game plan.

I used to have to cut weight every couple of weeks for a wrestling tournament. And granted it was just highschool/university level but if you didnt make weight, you had to compete in the next weight category up.

[cassiusregicide]

I just don't find it fair when a guy missed his weight completely, and still gets to fight. The way I see it is if he was 7lbs overweight at weigh in, he's probably 15+ lbs once they fight. I mean some guys cut upwards of 20lbs just to make weight, so anyone who can't shed 5 or so lbs is either lazy or just had a terrible game plan.

I used to have to cut weight every couple of weeks for a wrestling tournament. And granted it was just highschool/university level but if you didnt make weight, you had to compete in the next weight category up.

Missing weight is disrespectful to your opponent and your organization. As for having them fight anyway, the organization still needs the fight, so as long as both fighters will still do it...the show must go on. When a champion misses weight, I feel they should lose the belt to the challenger if the challenger wins. If the champion wins, on a first offense, let him keep it. If he misses weight twice, strip him, he doesn't take the belt seriously.

[Lance Uppercut]

Not that the belt means anything anymore, but Paulo Filho is vacating the title (http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/89951/Paulo-Filho-To-Send-WEC-Middleweight-Title-To-Chael-Sonnen.htm) and giving it to Sonnen as a sign of respect.

[Lutheran]

Next weekend is huge , Couture is back...im gonna say he is going to beat Lesnar though it probably will be a war. Randy is way more experienced but Lesnar is an ox , and he can wrestle with anyone.

[Lance Uppercut]

Historically, Randy has had problems with bigger guys who can wrestle, and Brock is a very big wrestler. I'll be rooting for Couture, but I wouldn't be surprised with an upset in this case.

[cassiusregicide]

Not that the belt means anything anymore, but Paulo Filho is vacating the title (http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/89951/Paulo-Filho-To-Send-WEC-Middleweight-Title-To-Chael-Sonnen.htm) and giving it to Sonnen as a sign of respect.

It's nice to see fighters do the right thing.

[OrangePulp]

Historically, Randy has had problems with bigger guys who can wrestle, and Brock is a very big wrestler. I'll be rooting for Couture, but I wouldn't be surprised with an upset in this case.

To be honest, I don't know that it would necessarily count as an upset. The size of lesnar, and the way he moves (fast), is a big advantage against Couture. I mean, Couture can get into light heavy; he really doesn't belong in heavyweight (which really shows you that he's got a lot of skill, to win fights in that division).

I'm definitely pulling for Couture, because he's awesome. I wouldn't bet money on it, though.

[DiBiddilyBop]

I'll throw my hat in the "I hope Randy wins but can easily see it not happening" pile.

Yeah... Randy's the man, but Lesnar's gigantic.

[Schnoogs]

I think Lesnar takes it via brutal ground and pound.

Couture will eventually catch up with reality...older athletes are at a severe disadvantage. Lesnar is better physically in every way. His wrestling skills are on par and all he has to do is lay and pray and ground and pound.

[cassiusregicide]

If Couture wants to win, he's got to stay off his back. What he needs is to stuff a couple of shots from Lesnar and do enough damage so that Lesnar becomes to afraid to take shots in the later rounds.



*edit* apparently can't spell Lesnar to save my life

[Schnoogs]

If Couture wants to win, he's got to stay off his back. What he needs is to stuff a couple of shots from Lesner and do enough damage so that Lesner becomes to afraid to take shots in the later rounds.

I just dont see him stuffing him...45 year old man vs. 280lb freight train.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Randy would have to have superhuman takedown defense to stay off his back. I mean, let's face it... physics are not on his side.

[Lance Uppercut]

If Couture wants to win, he needs to learn some Jiu-Jitsu off his back, because submissions will be a good way to take advantage of Lesnar's inexperience with it.

[DiBiddilyBop]

If Couture wants to win, he needs to learn some Jiu-Jitsu off his back, because submissions will be a good way to take advantage of Lesnar's inexperience with it.

I second this. The only way for Couture to win is by Jiu-Jitsu, unless we happen to find out that Lesnar can't take a punch (he has yet to be tested).

[Schnoogs]

If Couture wants to win, he needs to learn some Jiu-Jitsu off his back, because submissions will be a good way to take advantage of Lesnar's inexperience with it.

Sherdog is predicting a Couture win via rear naked choke

[Lance Uppercut]

Couture by flying gogoplata :3

[DiBiddilyBop]

Wouldn't that be epic?

[cassiusregicide]

I second this. The only way for Couture to win is by Jiu-Jitsu, unless we happen to find out that Lesnar can't take a punch (he has yet to be tested).

That's a good point. There's no telling how Lesnar acts after getting a couple of good shots. The same goes for his conditioning. He's an animal, but we've only seen him dictate the fight. Who knows how fatigue will affect him if Randy starts controlling the fight and landing punches. For the record, I don't think either will affect him too much, but there is the potential.

[Wackman3000]

Submission submission submission. Randy is one of the most intelligent fighters I've seen in the cage, and I'm sure he's training accordingly.

I could seem him getting tossed around and beaten up, but the second there is an exposed arm, leg or neck, I guarantee Randy is going to do everything he can to capitalize on it.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Submission submission submission. Randy is one of the most intelligent fighters I've seen in the cage, and I'm sure he's training accordingly.

I could seem him getting tossed around and beaten up, but the second there is an exposed arm, leg or neck, I guarantee Randy is going to do everything he can to capitalize on it.

Repeat of Mir vs. Lesnar? Totally possible.

[Wackman3000]

Repeat of Mir vs. Lesnar? Totally possible.

OH ya, I knew someone had done it to him, just couldn't remember who it was. But in all honesty the Mir Lesnar fight has probably been studied thoroughly by the Couture camp, although Lesnar has improved since that fight.

All in all, I cant wait to watch it. I'm excited to see how Randy handles a man of such stature and being away from the octagon for a while.

[Veregon]

I really hope Randy comes out and rocks Lesnar with his first punch just like he did to Silva and Gonzaga.

[cassiusregicide]

Submission submission submission. Randy is one of the most intelligent fighters I've seen in the cage, and I'm sure he's training accordingly.

I could seem him getting tossed around and beaten up, but the second there is an exposed arm, leg or neck, I guarantee Randy is going to do everything he can to capitalize on it.

I doubt that we will see an arm bar. Lesnar is way to strong. Ankle locks, knee bars, or chokes are definately possible though.

[Cupelix]

I doubt that we will see an arm bar. Lesnar is way to strong. Ankle locks, knee bars, or chokes are definately possible though.
I'm not sure my arms would fit around Brock Lesnar's neck. The way he is shaped, he seriously looks like you'd have to get him to look up to be able to wedge an arm in there. Will definitely be a fun fight to watch though. I hope Couture is in good enough shape that Lesnar doesn't just push him over considering his size. I'd like to see Couture win for nostalgia's sake, and because I still want to see Lesnar get put down a few times before he starts winning and getting a bigger head than he's already got.

[Lance Uppercut]

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5853/ufc94poster2kt8.jpg

Fuck yeah.

[Lutheran]

Just watched the UFC 91 weigh in and man is Lesnar huge..265 of solid muscle. Randy came in at 220 , also looking very fit. In pretaped interviews Randy was saying how he has to use his speed advantage and superior footwork when fighting Brock. Lesnar pretty much didn't say much other then he thinks Randy will prove to be too old and to light to beat him and that he will walk away with that title.

[Lutheran]

SPOILERS













Lesnar by KO , and damn the punch didn't even look that devastating. If it were some other sport I would wonder if Randy took a dive or not to set up a trilogy of fights. I guess the weight behind that punch and the fact that he was slighlty punching down is what gave it so much force. Lesnars a bull , if he ever learns to really box well and learns a few subs he will be invincible. As it stands right now Fedor would eat him alive still.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2i7ahwl.jpg

[Lance Uppercut]

Not that devastating? That was right at his temple; that punch would have downed anybody

I had Lesnar winning the first round, but Randy was right there and avoided a lot of damage. If the fight had gotten into the championship rounds, Randy would have won, but Brock's power was just too much.

I think Big Nog would beat him, though. He has the Jiu-Jitsu and chin to finish Brock, and he's faced much bigger competition (notably, Bob Sapp. That pile driver would have killed a moose).

[cassiusregicide]

That's what makes the MMA game so unpredictable. It doesn't take alot of power to knock someone out if you hit them in a couple of sweet spots. The temple happens to be one of them. Also, Brocks a big enough guy that any overhand right, no matter how soft looking, is going to hit hard.

Really happy with Kenny. I think he gets a bit overlooked because he's such a nice guy, so it's good to see him get a shot at BJ.

[Lance Uppercut]

KenFlo looked great last night, and is very well-rounded. Too bad his title shot has to come after the GSP fight.

Awesome night of fights. Only 1 fight made it to decision, and it ended up being fight of the night. And how about that Mortal Kombat uppercut KO by Jeremy Stephens? And that omoplata transition to reverse armbar by Hazelett (Rodrigo Gracie taught us that same series in a seminar so it was doubly awesome for me to see the same move in an actual fight)?

[Wackman3000]

Just finished watching. Great card. I'm surprised at how quick KenFlo took out Joe Daddy, I was hoping for a good fight between them. But Ken looked fantastic and I can't wait for him to fight BJ.

Randy was definitely holding his own in the first round and if he would have taken Lesnar's back it might have went very differently. Looking forward to a Big-Nog or Mir rematch with Lesnar.

Highlight of the night is hands down that insane uppercut. I demand a clip of it in our thread!

Finally, fight of the night goes to the Gurgel/Riley fight. They didnt stop exchanging the entire fight.

[cassiusregicide]

I'm hoping to see Randy drop to 205. I know he has done well in the heavy weight division, but I think he can be far more dominant in lhw. Let's not forget that the reason he jumped back to Hvy was because Tim Sylvia was fighting like ass as the champ. Then once Randy won the title he was kind of stuck in the division. With the way he's been fighting recently I think he could make a good run for the Lhw title.

[cassiusregicide]

KenFlo looked great last night, and is very well-rounded. Too bad his title shot has to come after the GSP fight.

Awesome night of fights. Only 1 fight made it to decision, and it ended up being fight of the night. And how about that Mortal Kombat uppercut KO by Jeremy Stephens? And that omoplata transition to reverse armbar by Hazelett (Rodrigo Gracie taught us that same series in a seminar so it was doubly awesome for me to see the same move in an actual fight)?

For a while there had been a dearth of omoplata attempts and it's good to see them get used a little more, and to good effect.

[Lutheran]

Not that devastating? That was right at his temple; that punch would have downed anybody

I had Lesnar winning the first round, but Randy was right there and avoided a lot of damage. If the fight had gotten into the championship rounds, Randy would have won, but Brock's power was just too much.

I think Big Nog would beat him, though. He has the Jiu-Jitsu and chin to finish Brock, and he's faced much bigger competition (notably, Bob Sapp. That pile driver would have killed a moose).

I didn't see it hit his temple , to me it looked like it caught him near the back of his head above his ear but I have seen other views since then and yes it was a nicely placed punch.

[Lutheran]

I'm hoping to see Randy drop to 205. I know he has done well in the heavy weight division, but I think he can be far more dominant in lhw. Let's not forget that the reason he jumped back to Hvy was because Tim Sylvia was fighting like ass as the champ. Then once Randy won the title he was kind of stuck in the division. With the way he's been fighting recently I think he could make a good run for the Lhw title.

The dude is 45 , I think it might be time to retire before he gets hurt. Im not saying that because he lost to Lesnar , who was just too big and strong for him but just because of his age. He is in great shape and who am I to tell him what to do but sooner or later its time to get out before you get seriously hurt.

[cassiusregicide]

The dude is 45 , I think it might be time to retire before he gets hurt. Im not saying that because he lost to Lesnar , who was just too big and strong for him but just because of his age. He is in great shape and who am I to tell him what to do but sooner or later its time to get out before you get seriously hurt.

No doubt, but if Randy can still compete then there's no reason for him to stop. I have a feeling Randy will stop when he doesn't just get beat, but when he feels that he had no chance of winning the fight he lost.

[OldeWolf]

Every time I keep reading about these fights and come across Lance Uppercut's Nun avatar, I keep replacing one of the fighter's image with a fighting eye patched nun.

0.o

[Lance Uppercut]

Pirate Nun via flying gogoplata.

[DarkDay]

That was a load. Lucky lucky punch, when brock watches the fight later hope he realizes how lucky he got, as hw was gassed and only getting worse, Randy would have owned that and was beginning to.

Well, shit happens, have to wait for the rematch.

Shitty fight though.

Loved watching Florian tear stevenson apart though.

[Wackman3000]

No doubt, but if Randy can still compete then there's no reason for him to stop. I have a feeling Randy will stop when he doesn't just get beat, but when he feels that he had no chance of winning the fight he lost.

Didn't Randy sign a 3 fight deal with UFC, or was this his 3rd fight in that deal?

I remember there was all sorts of bad blood with him and Dana, but the details are a little foggy.

[OrangePulp]

I find it a disappointing fight simply because it comes down to Lesnar's size advantage. They were figuring he came in at 280, and Couture weighs 220; 60 pound difference is like 4 or 5 weight classes above him. It's like putting a light heavy up against a lightweight. The point of having weight classes to begin with is to avoid a mismatch like this. I was excited to see it because it was Couture as the underdog, and he fought so well in his last two fights, but the result leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

At least there's still a lot of good fights coming in the next two months.

[cassiusregicide]

I find it a disappointing fight simply because it comes down to Lesnar's size advantage. They were figuring he came in at 280, and Couture weighs 220; 60 pound difference is like 4 or 5 weight classes above him. It's like putting a light heavy up against a lightweight. The point of having weight classes to begin with is to avoid a mismatch like this. I was excited to see it because it was Couture as the underdog, and he fought so well in his last two fights, but the result leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

At least there's still a lot of good fights coming in the next two months.

That has always been the price of fighting heavy weight. The rule of thumb is that if you can cut down to Light Heavy then you should. Randy knew the risks when he went up to heavy.

[Lance Uppercut]

Found a mention of this on another site. It's the WWE commenting on this weekend's fight:

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/8656158

Critics have noted that many of the fights on the UFC pay-per-view ended in the first round, leaving UFC producers scrambling to fill the three-hour event with content. The dearth of hearty competition left many viewers to watch less prestigious under-card fights and only served to bolster claims that UFC pay-per-view events can often be a "crap shoot" in regards to filling the full three hours.

Umm, what? Who are these critics, and were they watching the same show? That was one of the best UFC PPVs I've seen this year, and the fact that we got to see all of the fights made it better. Maybe the WWE is just scared that Mixed Martial Arts is catching up to wrasslin' in terms of popularitiy.

[Sandman]

Finally got around to watching that fight....wow. Sure it came down to Lesnar's size advantage in the end but Couture did all he could with it and it was something else when he seemed like he was about to take Brock down. I'd really like to see Lesnar vs Nog for the next fight....although Lesnar vs Mir II would be great I think Nog would be a better match. Can't wait for UFC 92....any of those 3 fights could main event a PPV.

[Sandman]

Found a mention of this on another site. It's the WWE commenting on this weekend's fight:

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/8656158



Umm, what? Who are these critics, and were they watching the same show? That was one of the best UFC PPVs I've seen this year, and the fact that we got to see all of the fights made it better. Maybe the WWE is just scared that Mixed Martial Arts is catching up to wrasslin' in terms of popularitiy.

WWE has no room to talk really.....even with their scripted product they seem to have trouble filling 3 hours sometimes. They run short often and lately they've had angles in the middle of PPVs instead of matches a couple times.

MMA is what wrestling would be if it wasn't scripted.

[Sandman]

Anderson Silva vs Chuck Liddell for UFC 95.....wow, Liddell is going to get destroyed.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Anderson Silva vs Chuck Liddell for UFC 95.....wow, Liddell is going to get destroyed.

Wow... now that's a fight I want to see.

It looks like the upcoming PPVs are all going to be epic. I can't wait.

[cassiusregicide]

Anderson Silva vs Chuck Liddell for UFC 95.....wow, Liddell is going to get destroyed.

Yeah, Liddells going to have some serious trouble. It looks like the UFC has given up on Chuck taking back the title and instead is just going to cash in on some big name fights for him to lose.

If Silva is really planning on retiring, the UFC needs to let more of the middle weights fight him. I know they probably don't stand a chance, but if fighters like Bisping, Maia, and Okami don't get a shot now, they will never live down the fact that they didn't beat Silva if they manage to get the belt. You've got to give them the chance.

[Lutheran]

Liddell probably gets killed though you never know as we haven't seen Silva's chin tested too often. Chucks got a punchers chance.