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RadComics

08-09-2011, 02:49 PM

Radical Publishing has a new book called Damaged coming out next Wednesday, 8/17. It's a crime drama following the paths of two brothers on opposite sides of the law, joining them just as they approach retirement and are attempting to pass their training and values onto younger proteges.

The book is written by Eisner Award-winner David Lapham (Stray Bullets), drawn by Leonardo Manco, created by Michael and John Schwarz, and will be executive produced by Sam Worthington (Avatar).

You can see interior artwork and learn more about the book in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-HEmufUMYM&feature=player_profilepage

Thank you!

Xerxes

08-09-2011, 09:49 PM

Didn't lube up or anything. Just rammed it in there. First post and all.

muddi900

08-10-2011, 04:09 AM

They didn't even bother to act like a real user or anything.

Ghostbear

08-17-2011, 06:08 PM

Hey guys, my pal Brandon is doing a documentary on the world of comics, and they need some Kickstarter Love. So watch the video and if it appeals to you, chip in a little. Thanks guys!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461601684/untold-tales-of-the-comic-industry?ref=live

There is a video and stuff describing the project. I'm pretty excited.

muddi900

08-18-2011, 02:11 AM

Comic Twart is going on hiatus, so I scoured for some more Sketch-blogs/tumblrs and here are some of my favorites:

Phil Noto's Tumblr (http://philnoto.tumblr.com/):
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpr54cqkjX1qhyhwto1_500.jpg
The series was called From the Hank Pym photo archive.

Ashcan Allstars: (http://ashcanallstars.tumblr.com/)
It's basically like Comic Twart, but with more artists. It's been going for only 2 weeks. Last week was Sin City, this week was Blacksad:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpzols6XC01r1n1cgo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1313741324&Signature=LarAtptNvKKCVS%2FinkPQSEHRLbI%3D

http://www.skottiescott.com/
Skottie Young and Scott Morse post sketches and put them up for sale. Also on hiatus, but coming back soon.

Savok

08-18-2011, 03:58 AM

God dammit Pym, stop stalking anything with breasts.

KSmitty

08-19-2011, 08:08 AM

Read The Return of Bruce Wayne, and I've gotta say that I was underwhelmed. I was simply never impressed with the EVIL Thomas Wayne that Morrison seems to enjoy so much, it always felt forced to me. I have about a 30-70 Love Hate relationship with Morrison on Batman. I loved some of the early stories (the Return of Rhas, Batman and Son) but other stuff was just WTF? (Black Glove, Batman RIP) and even though it wasn't a Batman book Final Crisis was a huge +/-0 for me.

muddi900

08-19-2011, 08:23 AM

Batman & Robin.

KSmitty

08-19-2011, 09:12 AM

Batman & Robin.

The first volume tpb I liked, the second one was okay, and I've heard good things about the third.

DoctorFinger

08-22-2011, 01:43 PM

Wow. Grant Morrison's interview with Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/grant-morrison-on-the-death-of-comics-20110822). Slagging on Chris Ware, Mark Millar, Identity Crisis. Saying we're watching the death spiral of the comic industry. I agree with some of what he's saying, but hearing it from him is a bit odd. And he's pretty damn harsh, too.

Savok

08-22-2011, 09:52 PM

He's responsible for Millar? Christ I hate him even more.

muddi900

08-23-2011, 12:55 AM

On Chirs Ware:
So I never liked that stuff, I always thought that I had a real Scottish working class thing against the fact that these were done by privileged American college kids, and they were telling me the world was flat. "You're telling me the world is flat, pal?" And it's not helpful, it doesn't get us anywhere. OK, so it is, then what? What are you going to do about it, college kid? My book wasn't academic. I can't take on those Comics Journal guys, they flattened me, as they did, it's just defensive, smartass kids.

On running into Mark Millar:

There's a very good chance of running into him, and I hope I'm going 100 miles an hour when it happens.

Shit really got fucked up. I guess there was a time Mark Millar comics didn't really suck and that was because Grant Morrison was writing them.

On Misogyny in Alan Moore comics:

I was reading some Alan Moore Marvelman for some reason today. I found one in the back there and I couldn't believe. I pick it up and there are fucking two rapes in it and I suddenly think how many times has somebody been raped in an Alan Moore story? And I couldn't find a single one where someone wasn't raped except for Tom Strong, which I believe was a pastiche. We know Alan Moore isn't a misogynist but fuck, he's obsessed with rape. I managed to do thirty years in comics without any rape!

Also, Rolling Stone hates filthy pakis.

Xerxes

08-23-2011, 09:12 AM

Rape is Alan Moore's way of letting you know shit just got real.

muddi900

08-23-2011, 10:05 AM

BTW, The second Fables OGN, Werewolves of the Heartland have been delayed to the next year:
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/08/fables-werewolves-of-the-heartland-postponed-until-sept-2012/

I also finished Peter & Max, the Fables prose novel, a few days ago. Copying my post from the book thread:

As a fan of the comic book, there was a lot there for me, but some parts were terrible. I mean really terrible. Ghastly. :eek:

Widgetcraft

08-23-2011, 10:11 AM

If you needed another reason to stop reading DC comics, meet the new and (HURRRRDURRRRR (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/perigon/1312473778949.png)) improved Harley Quinn:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/perigon/SuicideSquad_cover_02.jpg

Savok

08-23-2011, 10:22 AM

Old news, HM. I'd already written DC's "not a reboot" off. You should see what Ivy's wearing by comparison.

Also they seem to have taken Wonder Woman's pants away, the only good thing about any of it.

Widgetcraft

08-23-2011, 10:26 AM

You should see what Ivy's wearing by comparison.

Great, now she looks like a villain from Captain Planet.

muddi900

08-23-2011, 10:28 AM

You're 3 months late Heretic.

EDIT: I think DC has already succeeded with this non-reboot.

Widgetcraft

08-23-2011, 10:46 AM

Is anyone even a little excited for this bullshit?

DoctorFinger

08-23-2011, 10:54 AM

Is anyone even a little excited for this bullshit?There are books I'm excited about - Justice League, JL Dark, Demon Knights, Stormwatch, Batman, Firestorm, Mister Terrific, Animal Man, Frankenstein maybe Nightwing & Deathstroke. But there's a lot of crap being shoveled out there too.

Xerxes

08-23-2011, 11:09 AM

I think if they limited their focus a bit, DC could have gotten higher number of sales. But they are shuttering a gajillion series to reboot with a ridiculous number of series. They should of phased others in.

Ink Asylum

08-23-2011, 11:35 AM

Warren Ellis on the DC Reboot: (http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=13124)

The New DC comics stuff looks so much like stuff I would never read that it oddly fills me with hope that they are targetting the core audience they want. If a 43-year old man looks at most of this promo stuff and goes meh, then that’s very probably a good sign for them.

Widgetcraft

08-23-2011, 11:40 AM

Except that, time and time again, they've failed to attract the younger audience with this kind of shit. First of all, comics are too goddamn expensive for the twelve-to-sixteen year olds they seem to be targeting. Second, they're too hard to acquire; most people need to drive at least an hour away to even get to a comic book store. Third, the people they're targeting don't know that any of this shit is happening, because they don't read comic books. That third one is important.

Savok

08-23-2011, 12:26 PM

Thus the digital comic launch at the same time.

Doing both at once is a horrible idea though. It's like you're suddenly a brand new publisher looking for readers again.

Should of just used Flashpoint for a bit of cleaning (see just about everything to do with Roy Harper lately). Make it a genuine jumping on point while keeping around the stuff kids already know about from cartoons and movies. Instead we're merging in fucking Wildstorm of all things.

muddi900

08-23-2011, 01:17 PM

This is not about getting the books in the hand of kids. It's about getting a new audience. In the past 5 years, DC has had a reboot, three major crossover events, numerous gimmicky promotions that have alienated retailers(which Marvel capitalized on quite handily) and a price drop and they have lost market share and even lost more in dollars due to the price drop. I am no economist, but the drop might be explained by recession, but the fact is they haven't seen any actual growth. Their audience has remained the same. The fact that people like Savok and I are pissed at this move is probably a good thing for them. They aren't really targeting us.

There real problem is the lack of actual talent. They have picked up the Vertigo pool(Snyder, Lemire, Milligan) for the their dark/edge line, and they have some veterans and company men(Cornell, Morrison, Johns, Simone), but they cant carry 52 books. Scott Lobdell has 3 books. You know who else has 3 books? Geoff Johns and he is the CCO. The other issue is the establishment's clear disdain for trade paperbacks. They do not like them. They are stuck in the 90s.

So this is it; if it fails, there will be no more DC comics. There will be Batman comics, because that is the only thing that sells.

Ink Asylum

08-23-2011, 01:32 PM

Even 52 ongoing superhero comic series from one company is just too much.

Slash that down to 20 or less, and put those resources and talent into underserved genres and broadening the potential audience for comics as a whole, not just trying to recapture the attention of teens from video games.

Maybe it would fail spectacularly, but I'd rather see DC collapse trying to evolve comics than go down clinging to what used to work but is no longer feasible.

Incidentally, why do they hate TPBs? They're the only way I buy comics anymore.

muddi900

08-23-2011, 01:36 PM

Dc currently had more than 52 ongoings. Marvel had more, but they try to take risks more and when they fail, they are turned into mini-series. There were quite a few good ones in them too. Doctor Voodoo, Young Allies, SWORD.

In fact, if we think about, Marvel may have had 52 renumberings and failed-starts in the past 5 years.

Widgetcraft

08-23-2011, 01:36 PM

The fact that people like Savok and I are pissed at this move is probably a good thing for them.

This is only true if there are more readers interested than those who they turn away. Simply saying, "None of our current readers are going to be buying any of our comics a year from now" is not a good thing. There are other reasons for comics not being a very popular medium, and frankly, the constant reboots are one of the reasons that DC doesn't get as much business as Marvel. Doing another reboot isn't going to fix that, and I'm not sure why anyone would think that it would.

So this is it; if it fails, there will be no more DC comics.

I'm not sure that this is a bad thing.

Ink Asylum

08-23-2011, 01:44 PM

muddi900

08-23-2011, 01:44 PM

Doing another reboot isn't going to fix that

Only time will tell.

I'm not sure that this is a bad thing.

But that would mean no Vertigo, which would mean all those good creators have shift to lesser deals, almost non-paying deals with Image and Dark Horse, which would mean there would probably lead to no American Vampire. Why would you want to live in such a world?

Widgetcraft

08-23-2011, 01:50 PM

Only time will tell.

Sure, we can wait and see. Or we can look at the history of a company that has done quite of few of these reboots. Personally, I stop reading each time it happens, and this will be no exception. I was reading, and now I won't be (in fact, I already stopped). In a few years, let's say three or four, I will start reading another one of their books. Then they'll do a reboot and I will stop again. I've been through this cycle before.

KSmitty

08-23-2011, 02:29 PM

I can't imagine another medium so dominated by essentially two fictional universes with ongoing storylines. It's long been a hurdle to get non-comic readers interested, no matter how many times they reboot. Maybe it would be best if DC and Marvel took a mighty fall.

Imagine if half the movies released in any given year were either Star Wars or Star Trek core titles or tie-ins.

Imagine if new episodes of tv shows only came on once every 4 weeks. Now imagine a 100 episode series.

Unless DC/Marvel start creating more self contained stories and universes, there is always going to be a learning curve with comics. But honestly, its really not that hard to get into them. With wiki (and the internet in general) you can catch up on the backstory of pretty much every major storyline/plot/character.

Ink Asylum

08-23-2011, 02:32 PM

It's not just the barrier to entry, but what you're working to get into. Superheroes, superheroes, and more superheroes. Yes, there are other kinds of comics, but they are greatly overshadowed by capes and tights, and that's defined the entire medium for decades.

muddi900

08-23-2011, 02:52 PM

Well, there are other genres of comics(and non-genre comics) and there's nothing stopping you from buying them and recommending them to your friends. I can point you towards some of them. But the fact remains; most of those exist because the creators have actual paying gigs at DC/Marvel. I am awaiting the return of Greg Rucka's Stumptown and Queen & Country, but the only reason he can afford to write those is by doing the Punisher at Marvel. There is an odd Robert Kirkman's and there are those Chris Wares of the world that Morrison referred to with such derision and even they dont make as much money, while being quite talented. You know the only reason Fanatgraphics is afloat is because of those (admittedly desirable) Peanuts reprints.

That's just how the world works. Not much you can do besides reading the stuff you want to read. Maybe yours is that one sale that doesn't get that book cancelled.

Ink Asylum

08-23-2011, 03:06 PM

J Arcane

08-23-2011, 03:19 PM

That is how the comics industry has evolved, but it is not where it has to stay. I'm not arguing for a complete abandonment of superheroes tomorow, but it should be moving in that direction over time. DC and Marvel should be focusing on that if they're actually interested in increasing their profits for more than a couple years, rather than clinging desperately to what's worked so far.
Marvel and DC both have their fingers in other publishers that produce those books. People look to the Marvel and DC logos to find superhero books. Why would they dilute that brand when they can publish non-superhero books under another label or even farm that out to another company they've invest in?

Widgetcraft

08-23-2011, 03:20 PM

Ugh, now I'm reading more about this DC shit, and finding out that it is ONCE AGAIN not a true reboot. It's a reboot like their Crisis events are reboots: Some stuff gets changed, other stuff doesn't, and you aren't going to know which is changed and which isn't. Some stuff is going to be changed, with other stuff not being changed despite no longer having proper context due to the previous shit being changed (see: the current state of Spider-man).

Batman, for example, is apparently going to be mostly intact; most of his story arcs are still canon. What isn't canon? I dunno.

Superman is going to be rejiggered in a big way. The Justice League is going to get a new origin. How does Batman's story arcs make sense with these changes? I dunno, I guess they don't. Why do this to begin with if it is only making the universe more complicated and convoluted? Oh yeah, because it's DC comics, and they need to do this every so often because it gets them a brief boost in sales. It just goes to show that these companies don't really know or care about how to keep people reading regularly, they just want to put out these blockbuster issues every few years and then skim by on the people who are always going to buy their books, regardless.

If they were actually going to start over, just a whole new deal, with Batman #1 being the new start of Batman, I might actually be on board. These half-assed continuity rapes just alienate me. They want people to think that they're making Ultimate Batman, when they're really just putting out a new #1 issue because #1 issues sell better.

Ink Asylum

08-23-2011, 05:19 PM

Marvel and DC both have their fingers in other publishers that produce those books. People look to the Marvel and DC logos to find superhero books. Why would they dilute that brand when they can publish non-superhero books under another label or even farm that out to another company they've invest in?

I know that. I love Vertigo. But they need to be doing more of that, and looking at that as the future of comics, not as a side project.

I also don't see why putting non-superhero comics under the Marvel and DC logos dilutes the brand. Companies branch out all the time when their current business model is stagnating, often reinventing themselves with larger audiences. Apple didn't dilute their brand when they started shifting their focus from computers to phones, they strengthened it. Now more people than ever know about them and their brand has never been stronger.

DC and Marvel should be racing to be the first company to become known for producing the best written comics, period, not just the best superhero comics.

Widgetcraft

08-23-2011, 05:46 PM

Okay, so Barbara is apparently walking, and will be back in the cape and cowl again? How? Is The Killing Joke one of the few pieces of Batman history being retconned, or is there another reason?

This is why you should either reboot the whole thing or not at all. DC just half-asses it on a near-constant basis.

DoctorFinger

08-23-2011, 06:00 PM

The Killing Joke happened. Barbara was Oracle, but at some point around the Reboot she regains use of her legs and goes back to being Batgirl. The Batman and Green Lantern books are having almost nothing retconned, they're just making everyone younger (mid 20s rather than late 20s).

Vertigo is still good, but changes in the DC/WB structure make it less attractive for creators. In the past if you had a creator owned book at Vertigo you retained almost all of the multimedia rights to that project. At some point a few years back a WB exec learned that they don't control those rights and ordered a change in the standard contract. WB now has the right of first refusal on TV or movie deals for Vertigo books. Vertigo still pays creators upfront and on the back end, and they have the best TBP sales among any small label, but for a name-brand creator looking to cash in on a film deal they're less attractive than before

EWolfmanD

08-23-2011, 06:26 PM

HM, think about this. From what I've read, Superman is the first official superhero and only appeared five years ago, although apparently Batman has been an urban legend for longer. First of all, does that mean Batman's villains were also urban legends and no one actually encountered the Joker? Then more importantly, how does all (or most of) the Batman continuity fit into just five years? He went through that many Robins in such a short time?

I don't see how they can fit together all the stuff they've changed with all the stuff they haven't changed, and although that's what everyone wants to know, they won't answer those kinds of questions.

DoctorFinger

08-23-2011, 06:32 PM

First, don't get too nuts about trying to fit things into a slightly compressed timeline. You could stretch Batman's operations to about 7-8 years, which would allow for all 4 Robins. There's enough elasticity in the stories to allow for that.

Widgetcraft

08-23-2011, 06:37 PM

Savok

08-23-2011, 09:09 PM

No I'd argue Spider-manchild was still worse. That was a direct violation of everything the character was. This is DC making a god damn mess of continuity, that happens every Wednesday.

Wanna do something really crazy? Jettison continuity altogether, make every book like Superman & Batman. DC has proven they are utterly incapable of managing it so why bother at all?

muddi900

08-24-2011, 12:03 AM

Ok, the Killing Joke was never really canon. If that was the case, then Joker should be dead right now.

J Arcane

08-24-2011, 12:30 AM

Ok, the Killing Joke was never really canon. If that was the case, then Joker should be dead right now.
Indeed. It was only after the fact that DC decided that the whole crippled Barbara thing made a good story line so they ran with it. It wasn't supposed to be real, but they made it that way.

Xerxes

08-24-2011, 12:44 AM

Started reading the Maxx again. Actually I plan to finally read it to completion. I really enjoy this book. It's exactly like what I remember from the MTv series. I read like only the first two issues long ago. And that .5 issue.

The visual style makes me think it would be a perfect fit for a movie if directed by Zack Snyder.

muddi900

08-24-2011, 01:54 AM

Indeed. It was only after the fact that DC decided that the whole crippled Barbara thing made a good story line so they ran with it. It wasn't supposed to be real, but they made it that way.

The reason Moore hates it. He wrote it specifically to be out-of-canon. Of course, he should have seen it coming when his editor replied 'Cripple the bitch' when he asked he could do it.

EDIT:
Sam Keith's style may not be en Vogue anymore, but he's a fantastic artist.

Savok

08-24-2011, 02:07 AM

Not Len Wein's proudest day.

Xerxes

08-24-2011, 06:30 AM

EDIT:
Sam Keith's style may not be en Vogue anymore, but he's a fantastic artist.

Maybe it can be. It's the 90s all over again.

DoctorFinger

08-24-2011, 07:36 AM

Keith, like Seinkewicz, have a great style but it's a style which is almost impossible to copy well. Jim Lee, JH Williams, Frank Miller, Frank Quitely all have styles which other artists can ape to one degree or another and be successful. Guys trying to copy Keith's style come off as disaster areas.

Xerxes

08-24-2011, 07:45 AM

Don't know I why thought Keith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Kieth)did more. Maybe it's cause I'm so familiar with "The Maxx" and I just associated his name to someone who did more stuff I may have come across.

muddi900

08-24-2011, 08:25 AM

He did the Lobo oneshot recently with Scott Ian, the Anthrax guy.

Widgetcraft

08-24-2011, 09:12 AM

No I'd argue Spider-manchild was still worse. That was a direct violation of everything the character was. This is DC making a god damn mess of continuity, that happens every Wednesday.

They're even breaking up Lois Lane and Superman... it's just like Spidershit.

Ok, the Killing Joke was never really canon. If that was the case, then Joker should be dead right now.

How's that? It doesn't end with the Joker dead. That was kind of the whole point of the comic. It ends with the Joker telling Batman a joke, and Batman laughing.

Savok

08-24-2011, 09:30 AM

Angry as that makes me, it still isn't.

Superman has no control over post-Flashpoint, I imagine were he to find out he'd be pissed. Spider-manchild willingly (as willing as fictional characters can be) sold his marriage to the devil. Not even to save a bus load of orphans, no it was to save a decrepit old woman who might drop dead tomorrow anyway. And indeed were Mephisto not butchered too, that's exactly what would of happened. Just ask the Ghost Rider.

So not only do we get the silly retcon, we get it with character assassination to top it off.

Ink Asylum

08-24-2011, 10:23 AM

My favorite part of that storyline is how no one in the entire Marvel Universe besides their version of the Devil could save Aunt May from a bullet wound. From Reed Richards to Dr. Strange to who knows how many X-men with healing abilities, the only solution was to alter reality. So lame.

muddi900

08-24-2011, 10:55 AM

They're even breaking up Lois Lane and Superman... it's just like Spidershit.

How's that? It doesn't end with the Joker dead. That was kind of the whole point of the comic. It ends with the Joker telling Batman a joke, and Batman laughing.

It's just a theory, "The Killing Joke " and all. IIRC, Bolland corroborated it. But I was half kidding with that, but TKJ has never been canon, ever. Joker has no canonical origin and all other events besides Babs shooting have never really been referenced other than in a 'wink-wink' manner. Another reason it was distasteful.

Widgetcraft

08-24-2011, 11:09 AM

I'm pretty sure the shooting has been referenced, I recall flashbacks to her laying on the floor. Also, on the matter of the origin story: Even the Joker says himself that he isn't sure if what he is saying is true. Like it or not, that story is canon.

muddi900

08-24-2011, 01:25 PM

I'm pretty sure the shooting has been referenced, I recall flashbacks to her laying on the floor.

That's what I said. It's the only thing they ever reference.

Also, on the matter of the origin story: Even the Joker says himself that he isn't sure if what he is saying is true. Like it or not, that story is canon.

Except I remember an editor flat-out saying it was an Elseworlds tale. Maybe my memory fails me.

*to the google-cave*

Widgetcraft

08-24-2011, 01:35 PM

That's what I said. It's the only thing they ever reference.

Except I remember an editor flat-out saying it was an Elseworlds tale. Maybe my memory fails me.

*to the google-cave*

Well, the current editor says that it's still in, so I guess whatever editor you're thinking of can go eat a dick.

EDIT: I guess it was the Senior VP of Sales who says that it's still in. Either way, it's canon.

* Does The New 52 undo events or continuity that I've been reading?

Some yes, some no. But many of the great stories remain. For example - Batgirl. The Killing Joke still happened and she was Oracle. Now she will go through physical rehabilitation and become a more seasoned and nuanced character because she had these incredible and diverse experiences. (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-the-new-52-retailer-info-110701.html)

muddi900

08-24-2011, 01:41 PM

It was just Brian Bolland saying he wished it had never happened. :D

Widgetcraft

08-24-2011, 02:07 PM

It was just Brian Bolland saying he wished it had never happened. :D

What gets me is that I'm pretty sure that the writer of the new Batgirl comic was actually vocally opposed to this exact change in the character. She went on and on about how handicapped people wrote her letters telling her that Oracle was an inspiration to them. I guess editorial mandates are a bitch, huh?

muddi900

08-24-2011, 02:11 PM

Ink Asylum

08-24-2011, 02:12 PM

In other comic discussion, I'm almost done with the first The Walking Dead compendium, covering the first 48 issues. Right now they're preparing for an inevitable showdown with The Governor.

It's an amazing series, although it's a shame they switched artists after the first arc. The new one is good, but I really enjoyed the original style.

Depressing as hell, though. I know it has to be this way, bleak and hopeless is pretty much the theme of the series, but it's still just excruciating slogging through the succesion of shit these folks are put through.

I'm glad I got it in one huge book instead of having to deal with all the cliffhangers they toss out nearly every issue. Of course, it just means I keep reading and reading as I get to the end of one crisis only to have another pop up before I can put the book down.

I'll definitely be going out to grab the rest of the collections once I'm done with this one.

Widgetcraft

08-24-2011, 02:19 PM

Gail Simone is a company gal, and will never speak out against such a policy, but I think it's a good thing. I do believe that there could be more than one Batgirl. I mean if there are still 4 Robins...

(Team Stephanie FTW!)

Hey, no need to convince me, getting Barbara walking again is one of the few things about this that I like.

Savok

08-24-2011, 02:21 PM

I don't. Bab's Batgirl is like Barry's Flash, better as a memory.

muddi900

08-25-2011, 01:45 AM

Superman's Dead

08-25-2011, 01:47 AM

It was around this point that I stopped reading the book. Kirkman has said that he would never end the series, so I was thinking,"Wait, this is neverending, there'll be no resolution to this."

That issue does get resolved. And HOW.

muddi900

08-25-2011, 02:37 AM

No, I meant the story of Rick.

Ink Asylum

08-25-2011, 09:29 AM

Finished the compendium last night. I have to hand it to Kirkman for what he had the balls to do. Killing a weeks-old infant, with gunfire no less. That's hardcore.

EWolfmanD

08-25-2011, 06:26 PM

I'm really, really tempted to click on those Walking Dead spoilers. I should probably just get back to reading the comics instead. I think I only read a few issues, but I'm not exactly sure how far I got.

What gets me is that I'm pretty sure that the writer of the new Batgirl comic was actually vocally opposed to this exact change in the character. She went on and on about how handicapped people wrote her letters telling her that Oracle was an inspiration to them. I guess editorial mandates are a bitch, huh?

I'm not sure what Simone's stance is. Originally, she was really for the change. She wanted a strong, female redhead character because it was something she could identify with and really wanted to write her as Batgirl again. And then she got all the letters from handicapped people who felt the same way, except they wanted a strong, handicapped character in Oracle and felt betrayed. I stopped following news about the DC reboot sometime after she had a conversation with a handicapped contributor about it, so I'm not sure if she changed her view, but she was definitely excited in the beginning about the changes in Batgirl and the chance to write it.

I don't really have an opinion about the changes since I didn't follow the character, but I can see how both versions of Barbara would have a very strong following, and it would be hard to satisfy both groups.

Widgetcraft

08-25-2011, 07:07 PM

See, I was thinking about the stuff she said before we even saw these solicits, during that Death of Oracle storyline.

Widgetcraft

08-25-2011, 10:40 PM

Started looking into that ComiXology thing... I can't actually get first-hand experience with it, as it seems that it's down, but it sounds retarded. From what people say, you don't even get to download the comics, you have to view them in your browser using some Flash app. Fuck that.

When are comic book publishers going to let me pay them for their comic books online in a way that isn't completely asinine?

LordDon

08-26-2011, 12:24 AM

I'll have to look more into the on-PC thing but on my iPad and nook Color you actually download a copy you can read while offline.

muddi900

08-26-2011, 01:43 AM

Retailer Brian Hibbs, of Comix Experience San Francisco, had this to say about Comixology's retail affiliate program.

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2011/08/24/futurecomics-comixology-launches-retailer-digital-storefronts/#comment-93054

speaking only for myself, I could not possibly sign the offered contract. It is, in my personal opinion, a shit sandwich, embarrassingly one-sided and unreasonable in virtually every particular.

-B

muddi900

08-27-2011, 01:28 PM

Oh, the JSA will return! It will set in Earth 2 so as not to mess with DCNu.
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2011/08/27/the-jsa-will-return/

By James Robinson and Nikola Scott

I guess that Batgirl cosplayer at SDCC did have an effect!

Savok

08-27-2011, 01:30 PM

Yes, this makes things far simpler for new readers, the multiverse.

And why pair up such a great artist with "JUSTICE!"?

muddi900

08-27-2011, 01:37 PM

For the last time, Robinson wrote Cry for Justice like Cornell wrote the current Action arc.

Widgetcraft

08-27-2011, 01:51 PM

Yes, this makes things far simpler for new readers, the multiverse.

This whole thing is total bullshit. They're making their universe even more complicated than it was before. Compressing Batman's timeline, depowering Power Girl, giving new origins to who knows how many characters, nixing the Superman/Lois marriage, introducing Wildstorm characters... and now they're already planning on doing an alternate universe book. I guess if they want to make everyone (new readers and old readers alike) equally confused, this is the way to do it.

They claim it's to make it so that there is an easy jumping-on point, but Marvel does that without raping their universe every few years: It's called starting new story arcs. Every six or so issues there is a good jumping-on point. That's not good enough for DC? If it's just a numbering thing, there are better ways to go about it: Just number the issues in a story arc, and maybe put a separate number on the story arc. There you go, no more absurdly high issue numbers.

muddi900

08-27-2011, 01:56 PM

FanExpo Canada seems to be oozing with news; Brian Wood is retuning to Marvel:
http://ifanboy.com/articles/fanexpo11-brian-wood-returns-to-marvel/

I guess one more notch for Marvel talent management. Cebulski and Brevoort maybe jerks, but they do know how to handle creators.

KSmitty

08-29-2011, 07:51 AM

Read the first two volumes of Brightest Day and I really just wonder... why? The story really seems to serve no real purpose. The story was mildly interesting (if erratic) but the major plot points were so very meh. I think Brightest Day will be the last 'event' series I read, as I have been underwhelmed by everything post 52.

American Vampire vol 2, is awesome. Skinner is a bastard and the story just keeps rolling right along.

Jack of Fables: The End. This was a total wash for me. The ending was too light for me to take it seriously and not silly enough for me to take it as the completely ludicrous write-off it was. Overall a very weak ending.

muddi900

08-31-2011, 08:29 AM

You guys are awfully silent for the good day. So did any of you read Justice League? Did you like it? ComicsAlliance has a preview of half of the books coming out in the first 2 weeks:
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/08/30/dc-comics-relaunch-preview/

Basically confirms what I was feeling. The surprise books were OMAC and Deathstroke. I didn't know Giffen was drawing OMAC.

Also,
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Savok

08-31-2011, 09:04 AM

I saw enough to know that a) it really is a reboot and b) it's somehow the same old shit anyway, regardless of a. Only with Batman reading more power levels.

Widgetcraft

08-31-2011, 09:07 AM

I read it. Absolutely nothing happened. I'm pretty sure you could skip this issue and be just fine.

DoctorFinger

08-31-2011, 11:26 AM

My guess for how Flashpoint would end was wrong (I was betting that Barry would have to rebuild the timeline from his memories, which were already being corrupted by the new timeline), but frankly that way would have been better than what we got. Flashpoint as a whole felt...empty. There were a few cool moments, but we've known since issue #2 that this was the end of the current "world" so I found myself not giving a damn. Which is the biggest flaw in a continuity built so much on the 'shared universe' philosophy. Indie books I judge on what happened in the book, DC & Marvel books get judged on what happened and what that leads to. Flashpoint led to nothing, so I had no real attachment to it.

Justice League was pretty much what I expected. A couple of cool moments but nothing substantive happened. It's a fan-fic retelling of the first meeting between Batman & Superman, itself a story DC has told about a zillion times before. And it's decompressed to hell, too. The book should get better once they leave the past, but DC (and Johns in particular) never really get out of the past, do they?

Deadend

08-31-2011, 04:15 PM

Flashpoint sucked so much.
It was an alternate universe that had no key difference.
EVERY other Universe fits into a "What If.." sort of mold, but Flashpoint had too many things different and didn't make sense. It was like "what if BRUCE WAYNE DIED AND WHAT IF SUPERMAN WAS RAISED IN A LAB AND WHAT IF AQUAMAN WAS A DICK AND WHAT IF AND WHAT IF AND WHAT IF AND WHAT IF.." just no grounding point, and the pacing was shit.
DC also did a terrible job ending characters and stories that well, ended in the DCU.

Justice League 1 was confusing to me, as I kind of liked it, but not much happened and scene transitions were sort of whatever. It's not a great start.

I blame Johns, he needs to relearn how to write a story within the confines of a single issue, as I felt like I did not get $4 of story at all, so I won't be getting issue 2.

Deadend

09-02-2011, 01:43 PM

Action Comics #1, 8 page preview (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/02/action-comics-1-preview-morrison-morales/)

And THAT is how you do a comic. 6 pages with more action than 24 from JLA 1. I'm more pumped for this comic than I really should be.

Savok

09-02-2011, 01:49 PM

Ok, so, police will happily open fire on vigilantes.... how will Joker survive 5 minutes in this universe again?

Deadend

09-03-2011, 01:37 AM

Ok, so, police will happily open fire on vigilantes.... how will Joker survive 5 minutes in this universe again?

Police only shoot at the heroes.

JLA #1 has Gotham cops in choppers with SKULL facemasks with chainguns shooting at Batman.
Not at the crazy monster he is chasing.

And to be fair, superman did just beat the shit out of several dudes and put several through walls.
Then throw a man off a building, catch him in midair and dent the concrete on landing. He is kind of scary, and the first known super-hero.

Savok

09-03-2011, 03:15 AM

Oh awesome, we've imported the worst of Marvel.

DoctorFinger

09-03-2011, 05:47 AM

At least in Action 1 and JL 1 the heroes are now essentially mutants from the Marvel U: sworn to protect a world which hates and fears them.

Squidbot

09-03-2011, 09:13 AM

So I hear there are some good animated adaptations now. Recommendations please.

Savok

09-03-2011, 09:21 AM

Animated adaptations of what?

Squidbot

09-03-2011, 09:28 AM

Comics. Too short.

Widgetcraft

09-03-2011, 09:31 AM

Batman: The Animated Series

That's all you'll ever need, bro. It's the perfect show, and the perfect version of Batman.

DoctorFinger

09-03-2011, 10:15 AM

The new Avengers show is pretty good too. I also liked Wolverine & The X-Men, but it ended too soon.

Psykoboy2

09-03-2011, 10:18 AM

I think he might mean stuff like All-Star Superman and it's animated adaptation.

Savok

09-03-2011, 10:25 AM

Ah I see, otherwise it's like "where have you been the last 20 years".

Planet Hulk is supposed to be good.

muddi900

09-03-2011, 02:01 PM

Justice League - Crisis on 2 Earths: Semi adaptation of Grant Morrison's Earth-2. James Woods wax philosophical as a nihilistic version of Batman. Best of the DC bunch.

Wonder Woman: The cast alone is worth watching. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1186373/) As superhero origin movies go, it is bested only by Unbreakable and Iron Man.

I have heard good things about both Planet Hulk and All star Superman, though I dont understand how they ever fit the whole PH in 80 minutes.

Also,
Batman Brave and the Bold:

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(episode was banned in the USA for this song, BTW)

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tFb2NExVIWU
BATMAN IS NOT SEXIST!

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The best depiction of Aquaman ever!

Deadend

09-04-2011, 12:12 AM

At least in Action 1 and JL 1 the heroes are now essentially mutants from the Marvel U: sworn to protect a world which hates and fears them.

I'm REALLY hoping that changes fast.
But then again.. Jim Lee really loves X-men...

I want to give the nDCU a shot, but it keeps seeming dumber and dumber.
Marvel isn't grabbing headlines, but I KNOW that if I pick up a book starring one of their major characters, it will be a good to great comic. Aside from event tie-in arcs.

Did anyone pick up the Warren Ellis Secret Avengers stuff? As I'd like to see what he does with them.

muddi900

09-07-2011, 11:53 AM

Apparently DC is putting out all the good stuff upfront. Besides, Action Comics #905(yeah! :p), there's Lemire's Animal Man and Snyder's Swamp Thing. Also, Cornell's Stormwatch and Simone's Batgirl. Going by twitter, the first two have a lot of buzz going for them. Batwing and OMAC seem to be doing well on impressions as well.

Over at marvel, there's New Avengers Annual, where Wonder Man proves Nerd Rage is not impotent and Punisher 3, which seems to be like Garth Ennis' Punisher, only Rucka knows how to write a crime story.

In non-capes-and-tights books, we have new Atomic Robo, Morning Glories and Sweet Tooth, which is awesome!

So what are you reading?
http://ifanboy.com/comics/

Xerxes

09-07-2011, 01:06 PM

Irredeemable

muddi900

09-07-2011, 01:13 PM

BTW, if you aren't reading Mark Waid's new Daredevil, you are doing yourself a disservice. He just turned the book into Californication with no boobs.

Ghostbear

09-07-2011, 01:28 PM

The New Swamp Thing book is really good. Rucka is doing a masterful job with the Punisher. Three issues and he has not said a word! muddi900, you are right about Daredevil, it is great. Seriously though, if you are not reading Atomic Robo you hate everything that is right about the world.

LordDon

09-07-2011, 01:45 PM

Seriously though, if you are not reading Atomic Robo you hate everything that is right about the world.

A thousand times this! Clevinger and Wegener deserve your money!

muddi900

09-07-2011, 01:50 PM

Widgetcraft

09-07-2011, 03:10 PM

I love the explanation for Barbara being able to walk again. It's a really well thought out way to bring the character back to Batgirl.

icanwalkagainlawl

The ending of the issue was fucking retarded.

A cop is shot and laying on the ground. The crazy villain with a gun points it at Barbara, and she freezes. The dude tosses a murderer out a window. The cop then accuses Barbara of being a murderer for not stopping him; the same cop who was laying on the ground the whole time.

I guess if you aren't bullet proof in the DCnU, you aren't worth shit.

Xerxes

09-07-2011, 03:55 PM

Part of me wants to grab Static Shock but it's not like McDuffie is writing it. :/

DoctorFinger

09-07-2011, 04:05 PM

But it is Rozum writing it, he of the awesome and gone-too-soon Xombi.

Savok

09-07-2011, 06:02 PM

Xerxes

09-07-2011, 06:14 PM

But it is Rozum writing it, he of the awesome and gone-too-soon Xombi.

Interesting. I might give it a go.

Widgetcraft

09-07-2011, 06:30 PM

Well holy shit, everybody needs to go read Animal Man now. I guess there are still people over at DC who know how to write.

Xerxes

09-07-2011, 11:51 PM

I hate his book is called Static Shock. I mean I haven't read the new book but I hope they still call him just Static.

Widgetcraft

09-08-2011, 02:20 AM

Okay, so apparently there is already some kind of event building in DC. All of the comics have this person in the background, wearing a hood, and sometimes featuring a red glow. I think it might be a she, but I'm not positive. Here is a sample from a few of the new comics, but she is in all of them, so look for her:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/perigon/1315466064559.jpg

EDIT: She apparently showed up at the end of Flashpoint, and was the one who explained the three timelines or whatever-the-fuck. A lot of people are saying that she is there so that DC can basically rejigger the DCnU if something is poorly received.

EDIT: Someone posted an image with all of the sightings from the new #1's that have been released, here it is:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/perigon/1315468750662.jpg

Oh, they forgot Green Arrow... but no body cares because no body bought it. Green Arrow and Hawk & Dove aren't going to make it very far.

Savok

09-08-2011, 02:30 AM

Oh DC, you never learn.

muddi900

09-08-2011, 03:44 AM

I think it's a lead up to Morrison/Quitely Multiversity.

Xerxes

09-08-2011, 08:38 AM

For Green Arrow #1 they should have just reprint Green Arrow Year One.

Xerxes

09-08-2011, 01:42 PM

Soooo... Wolvie and Cyclops is really having it out.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=9726

Savok

09-08-2011, 08:28 PM

I still don't even know what the fuck they're fighting about.

EDIT: Also Cyke's eye blasts don't work that way.

Xerxes

09-08-2011, 08:50 PM

I still don't even know what the fuck they're fighting about.

EDIT: Also Cyke's eye blasts don't work that way.

They are not burning his skin off, they are PUSHING then skin off. O_o

Widgetcraft

09-09-2011, 01:04 AM

Between the stupid plot and Frank Miller style writing, the general opinion is that she's sabotaging it.

Unsuccessfully, apparently, since a ton of the reviews are very positive... I really don't see how anyone could say it was better than mediocre; I would consider that to be a very positive spin on what I read.

Savok

09-09-2011, 02:10 AM

The only answer is comic reviewers are worse then game reviewers for hype and bullshit and possibly bribes. You're reviewing something that takes less then 5 minutes to read.

The only one I've seen get universal praise is Animal Man.

muddi900

09-09-2011, 03:31 AM

Animal Man was fantastic. It was the anti-Batman. A dude with a well-adjusted family who has a great relationship with the police.

EDIT:
Top Shelf is having it's annual sale:
http://www.topshelfcomix.com/catalog/special-deals

DoctorFinger

09-09-2011, 11:53 AM

I'll agree with everyone on Animal Man & Batgirl as the best & the worst of the first week. I hated the decision to give Babs her legs again, and this issue validated that hate. They took a character who was versatile, unique and interesting and made her into the 20th most entertaining Bat-character. Then they go and give her PTSD because lord knows you can't have a fully functional bat character or female hero. Have to give them some sort of syndrome. And all because someone in the DC offices still gets a chubby at the thought of Yvonne Craig in the purple & gray.

Animal Man was just short of perfect. Art, pacing, characterization, everything. I saw someone mention that, possibly for the first time in comics, you had a wife complaining about money to her husband without coming off like the queen of the harpies. Ellen was real and interesting, as were the rest of the Bakers. And that last page was about as creepy as you can get.

Stormwatch was also disappointing. Awful art and too little focus. Cornell can do better so I'm sticking with it, but it's a damn shame.

Swamp Thing and OMAC were also great, with JLI a bit behind. Action was OK but felt like it was missing something. Didn't get anything else from DC this week.

Widgetcraft

09-09-2011, 12:01 PM

To me, the great thing about Animal Man is that it is the only one of the New 52, thus far, which understands how to make an episodic story which can be satisfying, issue-to-issue. Every other comic I've read from this relaunch, so far, has completely failed to captivate me within the issue. It's all, "Well... great, nothing happened, I guess we'll get something next month."

As for Batgirl, I didn't mind giving Babs her legs back, but every word out of her mouth was stupid and unnatural. That last panel was one of the dumbest things that I've ever seen in a comic. I don't mind the PTSD thing so much, as I think it will be dealt with in the first story-arc. I think the first arc will center on fear in a big way. Just a guess though, I'm not positive.

Xerxes

09-09-2011, 12:06 PM

Why can't these online prices be about a buck cheaper.

Savok

09-09-2011, 12:55 PM

I'll agree with everyone on Animal Man & Batgirl as the best & the worst of the first week. I hated the decision to give Babs her legs again, and this issue validated that hate. They took a character who was versatile, unique and interesting and made her into the 20th most entertaining Bat-character. Then they go and give her PTSD because lord knows you can't have a fully functional bat character or female hero. Have to give them some sort of syndrome. And all because someone in the DC offices still gets a chubby at the thought of Yvonne Craig in the purple & gray.
Makes you miss Steph doesn't it.

Of course it had a rough start too, Cass undressing on a rooftop for no reason and Babs being a bigger bitch then normal. It quickly became Steph's Crack Filled Adventures though.

Mind you I don't see it happening here. Babs is the Barry Allen of the Batfamily, there's just nothing there. Even in the DCAU she was just kinda there, except for one particular Scarecrow episode (and the entirety of Batman Beyond). Being crippled was the best thing that ever happened to her.

pronounconnoun

09-09-2011, 01:27 PM

I still don't even know what the fuck they're fighting about.

EDIT: Also Cyke's eye blasts don't work that way.

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/pronounconnoun/747721747eb901aa770520248ffd27ade69308e1.jpg

Savok

09-09-2011, 01:31 PM

Makes about as much sense as anything in the X-Ghetto.

Xerxes

09-09-2011, 01:33 PM

I love the gutters.

DoctorFinger

09-09-2011, 02:37 PM

Makes you miss Steph doesn't it.

Of course it had a rough start too, Cass undressing on a rooftop for no reason and Babs being a bigger bitch then normal. It quickly became Steph's Crack Filled Adventures though.

Mind you I don't see it happening here. Babs is the Barry Allen of the Batfamily, there's just nothing there. Even in the DCAU she was just kinda there, except for one particular Scarecrow episode (and the entirety of Batman Beyond). Being crippled was the best thing that ever happened to her.I like Steph, but I had a soft spot for Cass. She had a fairly unique hook - the nearly complete inability to communicate - but even that was taken away too soon (I also have a near complete run of her book thanks to a garage sale deal).

DC is so obsessed with "giving you characters in their most iconic form" (translation: the way they were when the writer was 9) that they can't be bothered to see characters and situations which really ARE iconic.

muddi900

09-09-2011, 03:28 PM

BTW, comixology has a 99 cent weekend sale on Batman comics:
http://blog.comixology.com/2011/09/09/this-weekend-batman-101-digital-comics-sale/

No DKR but Year one is worth a lot more than 4 bucks. Also, try Long Halloween and Heart of Hush.

EDIT: Also, Ultra-humanite shares his appreciation for Proust while waiting for his bomb to cook. (http://www.agreeablecomics.com/therack/?p=1540)

Widgetcraft

09-09-2011, 05:59 PM

Why can't these online prices be about a buck cheaper.

They drop by one dollar after a month.

roboninja

09-09-2011, 06:03 PM

Soooo... Wolvie and Cyclops is really having it out.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=9726

Wow, that's some horrible art.

Xerxes

09-09-2011, 09:26 PM

Wow, that's some horrible art.

Dude they look like they are fighting a robot made out of space trash. I don't think he ever planned out this fight was that good at it.

I also don't like the art of the NEW post schism Blue or Gold teams. Atleast the new covers. Also seems like it's a lost mutants who should have gotten tapped, but then again it's way to many X-books. Probably always has been and I was too foolish to notice. But 8 books? Yikes.

If they are still a wet works team I might still be interested in X-Force although I think I mainly liked the art of the series when it first started. Also I would have like fucked the game up and had Wolverine get Magneto to lead the group. Sure it's friction and drama to have him on the same team as Cyke and Emma but him on X-Force would be like... when they first announced Wolvie leading a wet works team. I'm sure the team would get to a point where they'd think the old man was going too far.

Also what's up with Prof X? Everybody still hate him?

Savok

09-10-2011, 12:46 AM

I like Steph, but I had a soft spot for Cass. She had a fairly unique hook - the nearly complete inability to communicate - but even that was taken away too soon (I also have a near complete run of her book thanks to a garage sale deal).

DC is so obsessed with "giving you characters in their most iconic form" (translation: the way they were when the writer was 9) that they can't be bothered to see characters and situations which really ARE iconic.
Hey I liked Cass too, but DC (mostly Beechan) managed to ruin her so utterly and completely, the only way to salvage her would be a reboot and it's not like those come along every day.... wait.

I did prefer Steph as Spoiler, looked like a demented jawa.

muddi900

09-10-2011, 01:22 AM

So I tried reading Detective Comics and it was like All Star Batman & Robin without a hint of self-awareness or irony. Batman spends most of the issue going 'I am the goddamn Batman!!! Hurr'. It's also very gratuitous. I mean you almost appreciate Garth Enis after reading this. Sure, he his writing is full of superfluous gore, but at least we know he's not serious.

Also, I don't know in what bizaro world can Adam Kubert be considered horrible.

Deadend

09-11-2011, 01:43 AM

GB:
The best thing about it is that he brought over the Ramos and Rivera from Spider-man. After years of grimdarkgrittybrown, Daredevil looks pretty.

EDIT:
This sums up my views on Action #1:
http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo299/muddi900/supes.png

https://twitter.com/#!/fuzzytypewriter/status/111525084337934336

Since it's Morrison, I am hoping it's a means-to-an-end type of deal.

Read Action #1 again.
Notice how AWKWARD Superman delivers his Batman-ish lines to be intimidating? But then when he is being nicer, it flows better? It's because Superman isn't GOOD at being tough, and Morrison can write the hell out of those type of things. The other dialog is good stuff, aside from the train thing.

This arc is showing the tough scary thing doesn't work for Superman, he is going to mellow out a bit over the Morrison run.

Luthor is off to a good start, hasn't shown anything personal against Superman, and is already in that strange quasi-legit space that he does best in, and he delivered Superman at 8pm sharp.

There were also a couple of starcharts in the background. One inside of Clark's room, across from a picture of his parents, and another when Luthor was talking about Superman as an alien.

Batgirl was just awkward.
Apparently Babs has been living with her father and no one else? And it's been 3 years since her accident? And what about all time she was living alone and stuff. Ugh. Hate it. She seems to have no personality as Batgirl, well maybe some, but it's kind of lame, I hope it gets canceled soon and Birds of Prey can come back.

I was reading Final Crisis the other day, it's honestly where the reboot should have happened. Barry Allen in it was also much better, as he was there to be iconic and inspirational, by interacting with Jay and Wally, a quick kiss to Linda and running all out. But at the end of Final Crisis, Superman rebooted reality, it would have been perfect to go from there to the new Universe instead of the really awkward way at the end of Flashpoint, with the stupid lady in purple.

I know it's all setup for the next big DCU event where the the JLA will have to punch a metaphor or something. Or set off a bomb to fix continuity.

Ugh, the more I think about the DCU and how it works, the stupider it all gets. Continuity doesn't need "big events" to "fix things".

I also got around to Secret Avengers #16.
The one that was Global Frequency with Captain America.
Which was pretty awesome.

Xerxes

09-11-2011, 09:26 AM

This would be my second Static origin story and it's "cool" but not good. I mean they named a villain who wasn't even a villain. Just a bum trying to steal a power suit.

I think at the end of the original #1 Static was beat up lying in a puddle at the end. In this one... over the top shenanigans.

The premise is cool with Hardware sending Static to New York, but this means Dakota is back in play. Although with those resources that means he's still has his Tony Stark level of resources. Should have had his own book. Shit could of made him and Wayne befriend each other and rolled Hardware into the bat family. Batwing (horrible name) into the bat family like Steel. And is Steel still in play?

How long will the new 52 be confusing?

muddi900

09-11-2011, 09:44 AM

Woah, Hardware is in it. That gives me hope.

We'll know the state the Super-family as the other books come out.

Xerxes

09-11-2011, 09:57 AM

Woah, Hardware is in it. That gives me hope.

We'll know the state the Super-family as the other books come out.

He's Static mentor. A roll he kind of had in the old universe although now he seems more accepting of mentoring now. Even give him his own hq. Got the boy flying on something much better than a modified garbage can lid.

I use to think of him as the black Spider-man. But now he's not doing it all on his own. I guess he's more like Spider-man when he was under Iron Man.

Xerxes

09-11-2011, 12:54 PM

Finally checked out Animal Man. Not that one is pretty good.

Scaryfaced

09-11-2011, 04:56 PM

Could anyone point me in the direction of a good place to check the value of certain comics? Preferably free. The last time I actually cared what my comics were valued, Wizard magazines were still the premiere place to look.

I finally broke down a few weeks back and decided to find my comic collection from when I was a kid. Took some digging in the garage, but I found a few long boxes of comics from my formative years. I'm talking prime 90s Xmen, Age of Apocalypse, some old transformers and GI Joe comics, the works. I might even have my original TMNT collection in here somewhere. I vividly remember drawing Foot soldiers by the dozens in like 3rd grade.

And while I wont be selling my childhood memories anytime soon, I've always been curious if my buying tendencies as a kid had any accidental forethought towards the future.

muddi900

09-11-2011, 10:17 PM

Wizard agazine has gone digital only, so you should try that again. That being said, don't expect it to have much value, unless you have a complete run by a writer or artist.

Savok

09-11-2011, 11:50 PM

They're from the 90s, so nothing.

Ghostbear

09-12-2011, 12:07 AM

They're from the 90s, so nothing.

Quoted for the truth.

Ink Asylum

09-12-2011, 07:44 AM

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6204/6140256664_50c6cfd0bd_o.jpg

Widgetcraft

09-12-2011, 07:55 AM

I dunno... that seems more like a commentary on the shift in comics from the silver age. If anything, so far, the new continuity seems a bit brighter (besides a somewhat stupid issue of Detective Comics).

KSmitty

09-12-2011, 08:00 AM

LordDon

09-12-2011, 08:04 AM

In the meantime I found out my first appearance of Gambit is worth like $50.

Xerxes

09-12-2011, 08:31 AM

I have like 76% of the complete DC Milestone lineup. I even had the one round of cards they came out with. Just missing some of the later issues and I think Hardware 50 was going to be near impossible to find. That was like 10 years ago though. I really should get back to finishing that collection.

Psykoboy2

09-12-2011, 08:37 AM

I have that one. Have Cable's first as well, but that had dropped considerably last I checked.

DoctorFinger

09-12-2011, 08:55 AM

Your best bet may be checking eBay. I've unloaded comics there in the past and you can usually get a decent sense of price from the listings. But as others have said, you generally need complete or extended runs to get much of anything.

Psykoboy2

09-12-2011, 08:58 AM

I have the entire McFarlane run of Spider-Man and Amazing Spider-Man. I was on Venom kick.

DoctorFinger

09-12-2011, 09:20 AM

Now that you may be able to get some real money for.

Xerxes

09-12-2011, 09:27 AM

I tried that collection secen years too late. It was selling for some real coin even then.

muddi900

09-12-2011, 11:34 AM

There are already Animal Man inspired t-shirts available!
http://ifanboy.com/articles/animal-man-1-inspired-evolve-or-die-shirts-available-for-your-favorite-vegan-hipsters/

Shieldmaiden

09-12-2011, 11:38 AM

I'm going to jump back into comics in a couple of weeks. London is lousy with great comic shops, it'd be rude not to. Really looking forward to making the trip to the store every week or two.

muddi900

09-12-2011, 12:54 PM

Huge week for DC again! New Green Lantern, the oft-delayed, probably nothing to do with the reboot Batwoman, Peter Miligan's Red Lantern, Peter Tomasi/Patrick Gleason on Batman & Robin, Demon Knights, Frankenstien.

Marvel has new Fear Itself, and new Ultimate Spider-Man, this time starring Donald Glover Miles Morales. Probably the best superhero series ever. Also, Alpha Flight has been turned into a miniseries and Herc will be cancelled this October too. I can't think of a single Marvel launch in the past 2 years that made it to double digits, unless it was renumbering of an already popular book.

There's also Buffy Season 9, Lil Depressed Boy, Unwritten, the final issue of the new Criminal mini(seriously people go read this), new edition of A God Somewhere, a single collection of Sinestro Corps War, and new American Vampire.

I probably missing something:
http://ifanboy.com/comics/

DoctorFinger

09-12-2011, 01:02 PM

You could argue that Herc was as much of a continuation of a series as Avengers or Daredevil. But new-ish books like that don't do well from DC & Marvel. Also, it just wasn't as much fun as the old Incredible Hercules. I hated the idea of making Herc into a sword swinging vigilante, and the book just isn't as fun as it was when it was the Herc & Cho buddy show of wackiness.

Savok

09-12-2011, 01:12 PM

It's a shame but yeah, the Herc book sucked. It was confusing and too street level.... not that there's anything wrong with street level in concept, but it means dealing with MU citizens and they're biggest, most forgetful assholes in comics. Every page has you wanting to slowly murder each one because they're such ungrateful shits.

It was the biggest saving grace of DC, the people weren't total tools (though still slightly dim at times, like anyone choosing to live in Gotham). Was being the operative word, as now police would rather shoot Batman then stop a little girl burning to death, wheee.

And fucking hell Fear Itself is still going? How fucking long can you drag out "villains get magic hammers and smash stuff"?

DoctorFinger

09-12-2011, 01:23 PM

Fear Itself was worth it just for the internet pants-wetting over the dialogue Fraction put in Thor's mouth.

Savok

09-12-2011, 01:29 PM

What did he do now? I'll admit his first issue of Thor was the fastest I've ever dropped a book.

muddi900

09-12-2011, 01:30 PM

I wasn't commenting on the quality of them, but I have rarely seen any successful second-tier books from Marvel or DC. Well DC just did a reboot to remedy that. It also is a pattern from Marvel; Nova/Guardians put on hold for that Thanos crossover, cancelled and make way for Annihilators, which was cancelled after 4 issues. Same happened to Incredible Hercules.

LordDon

09-12-2011, 01:36 PM

Bah, I can't be arsed to buy anything other than trades anymore. Stupid floppies.

muddi900

09-12-2011, 01:40 PM

Well then do check out A God Somewhere.

Savok

09-12-2011, 01:41 PM

DoctorFinger

09-12-2011, 01:51 PM

There's another Annihilators mini coming in a month or 2. They fight the Avengers.

I think Marvel tries with their 2nd & 3rd level properties. They gave Jeff Parker's Exiles a shot, Agents of Atlas too. Ms Marvel ran for 50 issues, and She-Hulk went for about that many I think in the end. But new properties don't sell, it's a fact now.

Savok

09-12-2011, 02:01 PM

God everyone fights the fucking Avengers. No wonder Civil War happened, they ran out of other heroes to beat up.

Exiles was great but too soon after the Claremont shitfest (why they gave it to him in the first place....). Agents of ATLAS they really did try, but the sales just weren't there, dammit.

I will argue Ms Marvel was purely there so they could say to feminists they had a strong female book (She-Hulk doesn't really work for that because she rivals Tony Stark for bed partners). She really is fucking boring to read.

muddi900

09-12-2011, 02:04 PM

Quite a lot of fangirls would disagree.

Yeah, they did try with Agents of Atlas, like a lot. They even had a backup in Incredible Hulk. But hey, Paker/Hardman on Hulk is the best thing ever, so I am not complaining.

Savok

09-12-2011, 02:08 PM

They're too busy writing Dick Grayson/Jason Todd yaoi fanfiction to care.

Widgetcraft

09-12-2011, 05:39 PM

Exiles was great but too soon after the Claremont shitfest (why they gave it to him in the first place....).

My guess was that Joe Q., being the brilliant douche bag that he is, didn't like the book and wanted a good reason to kill it off. So, he intentionally tanked it. That's the only thing that I can come up with.

Then again: Why does DC have Rob Liefeld on Hawk & Dove (or anything else)? The only thing he is known for is how shitty his art is. I'm sure that there are other people out there who would love to be doing art on a DC book; pick one, they'll be a better choice.

Ghostbear

09-12-2011, 05:47 PM

What did he do now? I'll admit his first issue of Thor was the fastest I've ever dropped a book.

Really? I quite liked his Thor.

Xerxes

09-12-2011, 05:59 PM

Adventure comics was pretty good. Odd pacing in some places.

Savok

09-12-2011, 09:44 PM

Really? I quite liked his Thor.
Writers have their own voices for characters but I've never seen such a total disregard for everything that came before. He didn't even try. Even Bendis is better and he only has the one voice he gives to everyone.

Ghostbear

09-12-2011, 10:30 PM

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muddi900

09-13-2011, 12:00 AM

My guess was that Joe Q., being the brilliant douche bag that he is, didn't like the book and wanted a good reason to kill it off. So, he intentionally tanked it. That's the only thing that I can come up with.

Then again: Why does DC have Rob Liefeld on Hawk & Dove (or anything else)? The only thing he is known for is how shitty his art is. I'm sure that there are other people out there who would love to be doing art on a DC book; pick one, they'll be a better choice.

Bob Harass is extending favors to his friends. As I mentioned earlier, Lobdell has three, the maximum any writer has in reboot.

Savok

09-13-2011, 02:53 AM

Always nice to be vindicated over your portents of doom.

Widgetcraft

09-13-2011, 03:15 AM

Bob Harass is extending favors to his friends. As I mentioned earlier, Lobdell has three, the maximum any writer has in reboot.

Proving once again that comics are probably the least professional industry in the world. Seriously, they kill off good books that don't sell well, but throw away company funds to keep their friends in business with books that no one will buy.

Savok

09-13-2011, 03:37 AM

I was thinking gaming was probably worse but then I can't remember an incident more pathetic then making your daughter/Spider-manchild fanfiction canon.

Scaryfaced

09-14-2011, 05:50 PM

Thanks for the recommendations all. I'll give both Wizard and eBay a looksie when I get some time.

I've already steeled myself to the fact that my entire collection is probably worthless. I became a comic fan in the era of Liefeld and Armored Spiderman, both of which I own alot of, it'd be ridiculous if anyone collected this crap. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure I have a few years worth of Captain America comics when Liefeld was at the helm. I also have the first few Deadpool and Cable comics, a Gambit and the Externals #1, an Xmen #3 with a hologram foil card of Magneto and Solarman issues 1 AND 2. I mean...who the fuck is Solarman?

Frankly, even if I found a few that were worth something, I doubt I could part with them. I'm down to two long boxes of modern comics and a single box of oldies. If I were going to keep anything from my childhood, its going to be those terrible comics.

Widgetcraft

09-14-2011, 07:18 PM

Batman & Robin #1: Shitty comic, I won't be giving this another shot. Not only was it boring, but Damien is by far the worst Robin, ever. Nothing but an impudent little shit, there is virtually nothing to like about him on any level.

Suicide Squad #1: Surprisingly not as shitty as I expected... but not good either. Harley sucks in this thing, but she barely says a word so you aren't going to notice. This guy at least managed to tell a story worth reading within an issue, which is more than most DC writers can handle.

Batwoman #1: Intriguing, probably one of the better of the New 52 that I've read. Sets up the character well, the art is fantastic, and the story is cool. Vastly superior to Batgirl.

All I've read so far for this week.

Widgetcraft

09-14-2011, 07:50 PM

Wait... how the fuck is Damien Batman's kid when Batman has only been Batman for like eight years?

Savok

09-15-2011, 12:25 AM

Batwoman just continued Rucka's run which is great and all but I don't see how that helps new readers in the slightest.

Damien can work, but only when around people like Steph who call him on being a little shit and psychopath. So once Ste.... oh.

Suicide Squad you skipped the most important thing. What the fuck have they done to The Wall?

Xerxes

09-15-2011, 03:29 PM

Rozum is off Static. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=34415)

Can't say I'm really disappointed. I mean the first issue in his original series, miniseires, and other books were just better. It's too extreme for it's own good. But that appears to be the whole DCnU.

Savok

09-16-2011, 02:41 AM

That was quick, only two weeks before things started going wrong.

Savok

09-17-2011, 01:22 PM

Something weird has happened (http://au.comics.ign.com/articles/119/1195097p1.html)... that book has no business being remotely good.

muddi900

09-17-2011, 01:35 PM

Demon Knights was twice as awesome as I hoped to be!

My cod says that is no man

DoctorFinger

09-17-2011, 01:46 PM

Something weird has happened (http://au.comics.ign.com/articles/119/1195097p1.html)... that book has no business being remotely good.
Every now and then Winick pulls himself out of his own ass and does a good book. JL Generation Lost or Exiles for example.

muddi900

09-17-2011, 01:49 PM

I thought Red Hood was Lobdell.

Hemalin

09-17-2011, 01:52 PM

Ya, that's Lobdell. Winick is doing Catwoman and Batwing.

DoctorFinger

09-17-2011, 03:50 PM

I guess I so associate the Red Hood character with Winick that I forget he isn't writing him.

Fubl

09-17-2011, 06:24 PM

Just got back into comics after a decade. I use to read mostly marvel / toP cow I don't know if I could even know where to begin with either of those now The new 52 got me interested in dc comics back then I only tried the major storylines because the single issues always seemed intimidating back story's this is also before Wikipedia for help.

So currently going to start reading most of the bat and lantern books that intrest me. Also going back and reading blackest night for somereason the metallic intrests me

Savok

09-18-2011, 01:17 AM

It's funny, the DC backstory craziness was basically a myth... right up until they'd try to make it easier for people in their latest Crisis or some shit and just make a massive mess.

Power Girl for instance has a completely fucked history, but at the end there it could be boiled down to "Kryptonian refuge from a parallel Earth, that Earth's version of Supergirl" without losing a single important detail. But no to make things "simpler" lets drag out the details of the multiverse and all the other bullshit that goes with it until only well researched neckbeards know what's going on.

Xerxes

09-18-2011, 01:48 AM

Ok, so that Red Hood book look pretty awesome. It's kind of like the Outsiders. What the fuck is Dick and Tim doing?

muddi900

09-18-2011, 01:57 AM

Dick is back as Nightwing and Tim is in that ghastly looking Teen Titans book.

Xerxes

09-18-2011, 02:01 AM

Dick is back as Nightwing and Tim is in that ghastly looking Teen Titans book.

Those both don't sound as cool as what was in those Red Hood pages. He goes from a character people voted to get killed to some one how might be in one of the better DCnU books.

Hemalin

09-18-2011, 10:44 AM

Lobdell is also writing Teen Titans, so maybe that won't turn out as bad as it looks too.

Savok

09-18-2011, 10:47 AM

God that'd be fucked, the worst looking turning out to be the best... well some of the worst.

Xerxes

09-18-2011, 11:47 PM

And what of captain marvel?

bryan

09-22-2011, 08:22 PM

How are the new Lantern books guys? Also any recommendations for good sci fi comics in general?

muddi900

09-22-2011, 10:18 PM

You can start with Green Lantern:Rebirth, or you can start like me, jump in with The Sinestro Corps war.

For sci-fi, you can also try the Cosmic Marvel stuff, startng with Annihilation.

You can also try Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips' Sleeper and Incognito. Both are technically spy fiction, but both rely on sci-fi narratives.

If you want straight-up sci-fi, try Transmetropolitan, Heavy liquid, Chew, 100%, Laika, Black Hole, The Umbrella Academy, Y the last man and All-Star Superman. I have heard good things about the Popgun anthology series and Casanova.

Daytripper is not really sci-fi but it is one of the best comics I have ever read.

BLeeP

09-22-2011, 10:51 PM

I'm gonna recommend Doktor Sleepless and Anna Mercury. Or anything SciFi by Warren Ellis, I guess that is the easy way to put it.

bryan

09-22-2011, 10:56 PM

OH sorry I meant the reboot, I followed the Sinestro Corps, that's what really hooked me but kinda lost me after that. Will check out the other titles too.

Oh and Sleeper and Incognito are fantastic. Made me a fan of Brubaker's work ever since.

Savok

09-23-2011, 03:16 AM

So Catwoman was good, something completely unexpected. Red Hood was as wonderfully stupid as expected too, about as close as I expect DC will ever get to Nextwave. Fuck even Wonder Woman was interesting, damn you Azzarello.

Widgetcraft

09-23-2011, 05:13 AM

I thought this week was pretty solid all around. Batman is going to be the only Batman book that I will follow. Nightwing was intriguing, but I have to wonder if it's story is tied to the one in Batman. I enjoyed Catwoman well enough, particularly the art on Selina's face when she got annoyed. Birds of Prey a bit meh. Both Lantern books were enjoyable.

Savok

09-23-2011, 05:28 AM

I think Selina's cats are going to fill the void left by a lack of Power Girl's cat too.

Widgetcraft

09-23-2011, 06:18 AM

Did you find it odd that a woman who supposedly loves cats would stuff like a dozen of them into a single cat carrier?

Savok

09-23-2011, 07:04 AM

She was in a rush and only has two arms, one of which is needed for her whip.

Plus it's funnier.

Savok

09-23-2011, 10:51 AM

Oh yes, flicked through Birds of Prey. Amazing how they went out of their way to offend anyone who ever read BoP before.

Deadend

09-24-2011, 01:26 AM

Batman 01, great comic, with some good batsmarts and goes along with the established Batman continuity. Which is what the writer said it will be, and was a plot planned before the renumbering, the only change is the costume. As Damian is there, Batman has been Batman for at least 13 years as far as the Batman books are concerned.

Wonder Woman 01, great comic with a cool premise of Wonder Woman fighting gods and actually coming off as a proper badass. Doesn't do any flying and fights creepy centaurs.

Red Hood was a terrible piece of 1990s shit that stars 2 of lamest characters making edgy cool jokes, and Starfire that is all sorts of bullshittery. "DO YOU WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH ME? I DONT KNOW/CARE ABOUT ANYONE INSPITE OF ALL THE OTHER COMICS THAT WE ARE SAYING ARE CANNON BUT ALSO AREN'T!" as they acknowledged that Cyborg was on the titans. Honestly a terrible comic. Jason Todd should be retconned into being dead again, he is shitty and at best good at being a total fucking spaz, he wasn't spazzing out in Red Hood, instead being Batman+Guns. I liked in during his Batman and Robin arc as a giant idiot who tried being the Punisher and nearly got killed by a guy called The Flamingo. Judd Winick and Scott Lobdell are the only guys who actually like him.

Catwoman #1. Dumb as fucking shit. Just terrible writing, like a bad fanfic and art that was all tits all the time. And one of the shittiest sex scenes that also goes against cannon of how Batman and Catwoman are. As in they are pretty much a real couple as seen in stuff with Dini and Batman Inc. If Morrison and Dini agree on something, it's fucking cannon. Judd went and made it some weird ass kinky rough sex in the costume thing, instead of moving the characters along with the fact that they are a couple and have feelings, not just fuck buddies in a weird way.

I read a couple articles on Bleeding Cool and Comics Alliance about the horseshit that was Starfire and Catwoman.. and then Rich Johnstons response on Bleeding Cool. That man is a fucking shitstain.

Savok

09-24-2011, 01:53 AM

muddi900

09-25-2011, 03:25 PM

So I catched-up on comics today, some one-line-reviews;

Batwoman #1 - So worth the wait.

Unwritten #29 - This is my second favorite comic being printed write now, and this, like the last one was brilliant

Frankenstein & The Agents of SHADE - Not feelin' it.

Justice League International - The hard reset was disappointing, still very fun.

Batgirl #1 - Maybe should have retconned Killing Joke.

Ultimate Spider-Man #1 - It's decompressed as hell but still great introduction to a new set of characters.

Punisher #3 - Also, decompressed as hell, but Rucka knows how to pace a crime story, even one involving flying bird dude.

Buffy: Season 9 #1 - "Buffy Summers, it's time for you to pay...YOUR STUDENT LOAN"

Criminal:The Last of Innocents - This series ties with Locke & Key as my most favorite comic being published right now. This current mini is no exception. I don't know many people who could have pulled of neo-noir based on Archie, but wow! I wish it was published more regularly, but I guess the team is moving on to another crime story, rather than Incognito, so that's cool. If anyone's interested, you can check out any trade you want, they are fairly independent. The issues have great back matter by authors, critics and other people on crime fiction and movies that is missing form the trades though. I know it was more than one line but this deserved it.

Red hood and the Outlaws - It's exactly the kind of 90's retread you'd expect from Scott Lobdell. Terrible, terrible.

I am still behind on Sweet Tooth, American Vampire and way behind on Captain America.

Deadend

09-26-2011, 03:15 AM

Red Hood is a comic about the two worst sidekicks in history shooting people while a bored, horny alien blows things up. If you take any of this remotely seriously, you're doing it wrong. But you just seem to hate Jason Todd with an autistic passion so I don't think it would of mattered what the comic was.

As for Catwoman you haven't even read it, have you? We've gone back to the start of their relationship where raw passion and lust is translating into wild animal sex. She doesn't even know it's Bruce in there. What we saw pre-Flashpoint was a Selina/Bruce who have known each other for a long time, this isn't them. I hate Winick, he murdered Power Girl, but sometimes, just sometimes, he'll get shit mostly right (I have some issues with Selina's "voice").

Comics Alliance is pathetic, fuck that shit.

I don't hate Jason Todd, I hate it when writers try to make him "cool" or "edgy". He was the boy who failed, got a second shot at life and failed to do the right thing, and then got beaten up, he is a 4th rate character. Outsiders was a terrible comic. Not even terrible and awesome like Crank in comic form, terrible in a really boring way. It could have been done, even with those characters in so many better ways, like if Starfire was her normal self and was basically trying to rehab Speedy and Todd into being heroes. Hell, with Green Arrow's Reboot, was Speedy ever his sidekick?

I read Catwoman, my eyes rolled while reading it. It sucked, the sex scene was poorly written, the plot of the comic was only in the first couple of pages, the rest were throw-away scenes. As I got a feeling that the sex scene isn't relevant to the story and it takes up a good chunk of it.

You have read some of the old Catwoman comics, right? The ones that Ed Brubaker and/or Darwyn Cooke did? Those were pretty awesome.

Why is CA pathetic? As you throw out these lines with no explanation or logic behind them.

Oh man, Muddi, you reminded me about Batwoman, that comic is great, JH Williams put in some of the best looking pages and a story to match them, everything about it was slightly surreal, which seems to be the place where Batwoman sits, where monsters and crime cross, I hope it keeps selling.

I haven't been paying too much attention to Marvel, as Fear Itself feels like it's been going on forever, but the event covers such a short time period, everything else feels off in the Marvel U. They also haven't been getting as much talk online, probably because they are just putting out good comics, DC gets attention because they are just doing some things with their comics that are interesting to think about.. but I don't think most of the new 52 will stick, maybe half of them at best won't be utter bombs.

muddi900

09-26-2011, 03:56 AM

Marvel has sum total of three good books; Cap, Ultimate Spider-Man and Hulk. The new Punisher and Daredevil are brilliant, but they are new. I really liked Bendis' Avengers, both of them, but ever since Fear Itself, they have suffered to.

Savok

09-26-2011, 04:12 AM

Jason being a constant failure makes him interesting. Evil and crazy are a dime a dozen, but fuckups are something far more rare. There are no bad characters, only bad writers.

Yes I've read volume 2 of Catwoman, I've read volume 1 as well with Jim "your vagina is haunted" Balent on art duties. I say again what you saw before was an older Catwoman who has been through a lot of shit. If you're going to bitch about it, bitch about the reboot as a whole dragging everything back to day 2 of the DCU because that's exactly why she's like she is. DC have a pathological fear of anyone over the age of 35.

CA have basically been starting as many shitfests as they can due to the massive publicity the reboot's been getting, they just want hits on their shitty little shit. Marvel's pulled the same shit for years without a peep from them as there's no media campaign they can hitch their wagon to.

EDIT: Fear Itself will never fucking end. The entire MU is now hammers and shit we don't care about.

muddi900

09-26-2011, 04:25 AM

Jason being a constant failure makes him interesting. Evil and crazy are a dime a dozen, but fuckups are something far more rare. There are no bad characters, only bad writers.

Well that was some terrible writing.:p

Savok

09-26-2011, 04:39 AM

Bah :p

Maybe it says it all when I'm reading it like it's All-Star Batman. The DCnU holds zero appeal to me, so accepting big stupid fun at face value is rather easy for me. Hard to get upset about Starfire when they've burned everything else to the ground as well.

muddi900

09-26-2011, 04:56 AM

The book was incredibly like All-Star Batman. Except without a hint of irony. At some point you stop laughing and just start pitying everyone involved.

Savok

09-26-2011, 05:50 AM

Ink Asylum

09-26-2011, 05:56 AM

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls43bjAA3j1qkinreo1_500.png

Savok

09-26-2011, 06:22 AM

Oh as a way to get people reading comics it's fucking terrible. Like almost all of the books. Even Batwoman that I'd call best of the bunch right now wasn't even a good start, it just continued Rucka's stuff and makes little sense unless you've read them (which you should but that's not the point).

Widgetcraft

09-26-2011, 06:28 AM

Eh, I haven't read jack-shit about Batwoman, and I picked up the issue rather easily. She's a lesbian chick in a bat costume who fights crime, has an awkward side-kick, and daddy-issues. I'm pretty much set to read about her fighting monsters and criminals.

Savok

09-26-2011, 06:48 AM

See that's the thing. She doesn't have daddy issues, her father is awesome (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3UrM1flJaLk/TSqRJw5gpjI/AAAAAAAAAjw/8s_-UlPMM5o/s1600/elegy003.jpg), they're fighting over something that just happened (Alice). Also the sidekick isn't even really that, that only really happened in the last issue before Rucka got sick of DC's shit.

muddi900

09-26-2011, 07:40 AM

Seriously? You didn't see the tongue firmly planted in cheek? Jason Todd was shooting people with fat pants on for christ sake. Roy and his ball. "boy1211" discovering God. The whole thing is just ridiculous to look at.

Yes, I was playing along until Starfire. It was like that dorky kid in school trying to act cool, but ends up being pathetic. It's like Dorkandproudofit wrote book. And I don't ever had any attachment to any of the characters. Even if you look past the terrible characterizations, the plot is exactly like an Xmen comic from 1997.

EDIT: If you did like Batwoman you should definitely read 2009's Batwoman: Elegy, out in trade paperpack Fall 2032.

DoctorFinger

09-26-2011, 07:50 AM

Starfire was bad, but at least the book itself was OK. Catwoman was worse for one reason. It was the climax (pun!) of the book. Look at every other #1 DC put out this month, and the last page is a shock, a revelation, something to make the reader want to buy #2. And Catwoman's last page is her and Bats in a crotch-grinding, full costume O-face. That's telling you what the book's selling point is.

muddi900

09-26-2011, 08:00 AM

I think it's an editorial mandate to make everything edgier and sexier. What that does is make everything like Torchwood.

EDIT:

http://cdn.ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tumblr_ls0k9fPE901qhyhwto1_500.jpg

http://cdn.ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/canetecatwoman.jpg

I would say these terrible examples detract from the better books in the releaunch.

Savok

09-26-2011, 08:31 AM

That top comic is priceless. Sad thing is I actually want to read comics like that, they're ridiculous in their own special way. Like this wonderful story (http://www.faitherinhicks.com/wolverine/index.html) Marvel turned down for that collection of stories by women when they cared about that for 5 minutes.

Ink Asylum

09-26-2011, 08:42 AM

That Wolverine comic is great. I recently started reading the daily webcomic she draws.

Deadend

09-26-2011, 09:39 AM

I'm holding the DC reboot to a higher standard because it's supposed to be a fresh start, with people whom are full of good ideas and characters that have been changed to make them more interesting and appealing. So when comics come out that are just so lame, it's even worse.

DoctorFinger

09-26-2011, 09:48 AM

On average has the reboot been good? Yeah, Catwoman and Red Hood stunk, but are they enough to outweigh the good in Batman, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Action, etc?

Savok

09-26-2011, 10:01 AM

I've found most of them fairly horrible, major exceptions Batwoman and Animal Man (which I still have no interest in anyway, but I can appreciate the quality)... maybe Demon Knight but that hardly counts as a DCnU book.

I liked Catwoman even if no one else did (few writers capture just how much fun she has being Catwoman). Wonder Woman has serious potential, but it's too early to tell.

Ghostbear

09-26-2011, 10:14 AM

Swamp Thing was great, I'm gonna give Frankenstein a few more issues. Batwing was much better than I expected.

Widgetcraft

09-26-2011, 12:08 PM

On average has the reboot been good? Yeah, Catwoman and Red Hood stunk, but are they enough to outweigh the good in Batman, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Action, etc?

I liked Catwoman. I find the majority of the DCnU books to be so shitty that I would have a hard time forcing myself to read them again. There are some good ones though, both of the Lantern books from last week were good, Batman was good, Animal Man was great, Batwoman was great, Action Comics was good, Frankenstein was interesting.... that's about all the good comics right there (though I didn't read Swamp Thing). How many of the new 52 are left?

DoctorFinger

09-26-2011, 12:18 PM

There's another batch this week. Firestorm, Aquaman, Hawkman, Justice League Dark off the top of my head.

And if you haven't read it, OMAC may be the sleeper hit of the relaunch. It's a pure homage to Kirby, but a fun one.

muddi900

09-26-2011, 02:24 PM

Green Lantern Corps was fantastic too. I still haven't read Blue Beetle, but if it carries over the tone from the previous series, then I am good.

Also, I think Marvel rejected that story because it was too similar to some of the stories in Strange Tales(and Strange Tales II) by other independent cartoonist.

Oh, and this week's comics:
http://previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=2&m=1&c=6&s=428

Of course the biggest comic release this week isn't from Marvel or DC, or any other comic publisher. It's Habibi, by Craig Thompson, from Pantheon Books. This long awaited follow-up to Blankets has already won over a lot of literary critics. I hope I can find a copy of the gigantic tome here and it is affordable.

Deadend

09-26-2011, 02:45 PM

Blue Beetle was a full reboot, for a character that just had his origin done maybe 4 or 5 years ago. This time it's disconnected from Infinite Crisis and for some reason feels more Guyver than before. But not much happened in the comic aside from lots of explaining the history of the Scarab and the Reach. Which means when Jamie finds out, we will hear the explanation AU GHAN.

Generation Hope #10 is getting a reprint, that is great as it's a damn awesome series with Hope being a very interesting character along with showing sides of existing characters we just don't see much of (Rogue as a teacher and Cyclops the teacher). That issue also has a really interesting view on mutants. Only part I didn't love was the art, as girls who were supposed to be between 13 and 16 were not drawn their ages most of the time, or really dress too consistently with their previous outfits or characterizations, good facial detailing, but I have no clue when the 13 year old conservative christian girl started wearing applebottom jeans and having exposed stomach, or boobs.

Maybe DC should have held off longer on launching the New Universe until they could have 52 really strong series instead of maybe 13 good books at most. As pre-relaunch, weren't DC books on average not terrible?
But we do have good Superman and Wonder Woman books for the first time in ages, so hmm.

DoctorFinger

09-26-2011, 03:04 PM

Maybe DC should have held off longer on launching the New Universe until they could have 52 really strong series instead of maybe 13 good books at most. As pre-relaunch, weren't DC books on average not terrible?

But we do have good Superman and Wonder Woman books for the first time in ages, so hmm.It's a nice thought, but we would be waiting decades for them to have enough talent to put out 52 great books at one time.

I've been saying for years that DC's biggest problem is snagging young, hot writers. They've done ok with Snyder and Lemire the past few years, but it seems like every time there's a bright new indie writer they end up signing a Marvel exclusive. So you get a ton of books from serviceable writers (Bedard, Tomasi, Nicieza, Palmiotti & Gray) who never put out a terrible book, but at the same time rarely put out a great one.

muddi900

09-26-2011, 11:11 PM

Palmiotti & Gray did a great job on Jonah Hex and Power Girl and they do have Abnett & Laning. Wonder what woukd have happened if they hadn't burned their bridge with Rucka and Waid.

Deadend

09-27-2011, 02:15 AM

It's a nice thought, but we would be waiting decades for them to have enough talent to put out 52 great books at one time.

I've been saying for years that DC's biggest problem is snagging young, hot writers. They've done ok with Snyder and Lemire the past few years, but it seems like every time there's a bright new indie writer they end up signing a Marvel exclusive. So you get a ton of books from serviceable writers (Bedard, Tomasi, Nicieza, Palmiotti & Gray) who never put out a terrible book, but at the same time rarely put out a great one.

I really wonder why Marvel can snag all the big indie guys, maybe it's that Marvel is more willing to let them use whatever characters they want and do things. As come on, Grant Morrison has been doing work at DC comics since I was born (1986) and just this MONTH was able to do Action Comics.

Over at Marvel, Kieron Gillen went from super-indie creator owned books at Image to doing a few Marvel Books for minor characters and minis to being one of the core X-writers in just a few years. Hickman has similar trajectory from Indie to Fantastic Four writer.