Politics and Religion Forum: Yea or Nay

[pomeroy]

I'm not for or against a P&R forum.

You just aren't making any sense though. :( How is it any different than a normal topic? Me and Pomeroy managed to get in an argument over Kanye West.

LOL. Yes we did. Although I still maintain that was more of a misunderstanding than anything else.

[torrefaction]

Well then I personally demand a subforum entirely about cooking. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the site, but hey, I like cooking, and I don't want to have to dig through all the other threads to find the ones about cooking because I'm too much of a lazy ass.

If there were a significant amount of cooking threads, it'd be entirely justified, to keep other forums from being overcrowded. See how that works? Also, go ahead and take your veiled insults elsewhere...I'm not particularly interested in being baited by you.

[Serapth]

Maybe it wasn't from you, and maybe it was imagined or misinterpreted. I've at least felt like someone with authority was very negative on political discussion on the whole, perhaps AgtFox in one of the threads BEFORE this one existed? (Not criticizing AgtFox for his opinion, I just thought he might have been the source)

I am having the same delusion, so maybe we are on to something here. I don't think it was James either, if I recall James was more inclined to protect PiRi, not to stop political discussion.

There was somebody who straight out said no politics on CoG, to take it to PiRi.

Since PIRI P&R seems to be dying slowly, perhaps we should just move the conversation to the lounge, if it is permitted. Then, if there is a moderation or volume of posts problem ( as I am almost positive there will be ), then we look at creating a subforum.

Frankly, if P&R topics are considered OK and can be posted in the lounge, I think this is all a non-issue, until of course it becomes an issue. So, lets start having the conversations in the lounge and see what happens?

[TheFlyingOrc]

Well then I personally demand a subforum entirely about cooking. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the site, but hey, I like cooking, and I don't want to have to dig through all the other threads to find the ones about cooking because I'm too much of a lazy ass.

If there's a demand for it, I fully believe we should make one.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I am having the same delusion, so maybe we are on to something here. I don't think it was James either, if I recall James was more inclined to protect PiRi, not to stop political discussion.

There was somebody who straight out said no politics on CoG, to take it to PiRi.

Since PIRI P&R seems to be dying slowly, perhaps we should just move the conversation to the lounge, if it is permitted. Then, if there is a moderation or volume of posts problem ( as I am almost positive there will be ), then we look at creating a subforum.

How about we discuss it over at PiRi and let everyone who posts there know that's the plan? I can be on to contribute later tonight.

[J Arcane]

If there's a demand for it, I fully believe we should make one.
And then what if someone else demands one about cars, and another about cycling, and then another all about panties, and then a picture forum, and so on and so on, until there's so goddamn many subforums the whole thing gets stretched out and kills traffic.

I've seen this fucking happen, it's a snowball of self-entitlement nonsense.

I personally would prefer a site focus on the shit it's actually about.

[ClannerDelta]

LOL. Yes we did. Although I still maintain that was more of a misunderstanding than anything else.

Oh it certainly was. You refused to understand that Kanye is a douche. :p

[pomeroy]

Oh it certainly was. You refused to understand that Kanye is a douche. :p

You son of a bitch.

[Slack3r78]

Wait, I don't recall telling anyone to take their politics and/or political musings to PiRi. What I've said, I believe, is that there is (was?) a thriving political forum there, which should be one's port of call if that is what they wanted to talk about. I've always said that politics, religion, etc. can be discussed in The Lounge.
It may not have been your intention, but comments like this one (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showpost.php?p=15806&postcount=128) certainly gave the impression that that discussion wasn't welcome here.

[Serapth]

If there's a demand for it, I fully believe we should make one.

Could we talk about beer and wine in that thread? If so, I'm down!

[Voodoo]

And then what if someone else demands one about cars, and another about cycling, and then another all about panties, and then a picture forum, and so on and so on, until there's so goddamn many subforums the whole thing gets stretched out and kills traffic.

I've seen this fucking happen, it's a snowball of self-entitlement nonsense.

I personally would prefer a site focus on the shit it's actually about.

Relax J. It's all good. What you describe I do not see happening here at all. I feel that a moderated P&R forum would be a great addition to CoG. I don't participate in them much anymore but I still enjoy reading them.

Also...forum about the sexiness that is woman. I'm all about that, brother.

[ClannerDelta]

Also...forum about the sexiness that is woman. I'm all about that, brother.

We can call it... Ronery.

[National Kato]

Once torrefaction took the reigns of P&R over at EvAv and we started booting posters that proved themselves problematic from the P&R forum, the kind of nonsense you're talking about more or less stopped. Yes, things got heated at times, but the kinds of drawn out flamefests that had been a problem in the past do not happen if they're not allowed to happen.

I echo Slack3r's comments, especially about torrefaction. As well, I'd also like to note that when things got heated under torrefactions's watch, it was generally 'heated' in the positive way: healthy discussion with opposing opinions. The P&R section was given new life and it was nice.

[civil]

Eh, I'll admit I've kinda skimmed over this thread but are we talking about creating a subforum that'll make torre and Serapth post more? Cuz I'm all over that like BBQ on a woman of curvaceousable assetabilities.




Honest, I don't have a hard on for either of you. I just thoroughly enjoyed reading your thoughts and opinions at EvAv.

[Disgustipated]

Can we have a subforum where J Arcane can just post threads about bullshit in his bipolar, "I try to cuss effectively but fail miserably and expose myself for the ignorant jackass that I am" way?

Either that, or we offer to send him 9800 Pros.

[Zero]

Huh. It's the 6th page and I just noticed that religion is spelled wrong in the thread title.

[torrefaction]

Huh. It's the 6th page and I just noticed that religion is spelled wrong in the thread title.

You may very well be the first one to notice that too.

[fitbabits]

Huh. It's the 6th page and I just noticed that religion is spelled wrong in the thread title.
Liar. It's spelled right. Now.

[Spectre-7]

Either that, or we offer to send him 9800 Pros.

That's sexual harassment and he doesn't have to take it anymore.

Liar. It's spelled right. Now.

Awwww... I used to love seeing Relgion pop up on the recent posts bar. I think it said something rather subtle about what it is exactly that people are arguing over here.

[Zonkuya]

P & R would sound like such a carry-over from Evil Evil Avatar (no offense, PiRi) and I'd like to believe CoG has its own style and being.

Give it another name, maybe? This has probably been suggested already, so just add me to the vote for a subforum called "Serious Business" where users are expected to know that that particular forum would be about, well, the serious stuff as opposed to the casually-sounding Lounge. Those who participate in it should know it would be heavily moderated and a little more civility (haven't we demonstrated this by now, though?) is to be required.

Sure, maybe a couple of attitude bullets may be fired from time to time, so a higher minimum post count would be required to enter? That way, "stunts" would not hurt as much (Won't someone think of the newbies?) seeing as you (and by 'you' I mean 'we') know each other enough by now to know... we mean every last one of those stunts. ;)

We could also vote for who would moderate it, that way there would be some sort of democracy to where CoGers would like that forum to go.

Cooking would probably stay in the Lounge tho, J Arcane, sorry. :D You have to admit, it's not that specific a subforum, yet it could have that distinction from the Lounge that more than half of the poll here crave. If this would really mean more meaningful posts from otherwise inactive people, I'm also all for it.

Whaddaya say?

[Variable Gear]

Political discussion is worthless as it only contributes to the filth the average person has to deal with.

I despise such conversation on principle.

[tombofsoldier]

I vote that Mr. Fox kick anyone who wants a P&R forum's ass, and then after he's finished let Batman do it again.

"Truthfully" there's plenty of forums on the internet, and I think COG would be better for being one of the places where religion and politics are not discussed. If you want to do that please go somewhere else.

[torrefaction]

I vote that Mr. Fox kick anyone who wants a P&R forum's ass, and then after he's finished let Batman do it again.

"Truthfully" there's plenty of forums on the internet, and I think COG would be better for being one of the places where religion and politics are not discussed. If you want to do that please go somewhere else.

This argument fails for one reason. There's no moratorium on political conversation. I'm saying contain it in a single place, and allow it to be more heavily moderated. I've made some great friends in this community through P&R conversation. Amusingly enough, the political sub-community is probably one of the friendliest, tightest groups that existed on EvAv (and subsequently PiRi). I think that kind of flies in the face of the argument that it brings about arguments.

Gaming is far more contentious. Some of us remember the 360 and PS3 launches very well.

[TheFlyingOrc]

This argument fails for one reason. There's no moratorium on political conversation. I'm saying contain it in a single place, and allow it to be more heavily moderated. I've made some great friends in this community through P&R conversation. Amusingly enough, the political sub-community is probably one of the friendliest, tightest groups that existed on EvAv (and subsequently PiRi). I think that kind of flies in the face of the argument that it brings about arguments.

Gaming is far more contentious. Some of us remember the 360 and PS3 launches very well.

Aside from Schnoogs, I've gotten mad much more consistently at PS3 fanboys. :)

[bapenguin]

This argument fails for one reason. There's no moratorium on political conversation. I'm saying contain it in a single place, and allow it to be more heavily moderated. I've made some great friends in this community through P&R conversation. Amusingly enough, the political sub-community is probably one of the friendliest, tightest groups that existed on EvAv (and subsequently PiRi). I think that kind of flies in the face of the argument that it brings about arguments.

Gaming is far more contentious. Some of us remember the 360 and PS3 launches very well.

Why don't you use your user blog on here for P&R Stuff?

[TheFlyingOrc]

Why don't you use your user blog on here for P&R Stuff?

We're kinda looking for discussion, not just posting our opinions.

[pseudopseudo]

We're kinda looking for discussion, not just posting our opinions.

The blogs have fully functional comment sections, don't they?

[TheFlyingOrc]

The blogs have fully functional comment sections, don't they?
Not that this is the only problem with blogs (difficult to search through, column width), but you can't quote previous posters, as far as I can tell. They're set up with a mainpost- comments mindset, not a discussion mindset.

[TheKeck]

Give it another name, maybe? This has probably been suggested already, so just add me to the vote for a subforum called "Serious Business" where users are expected to know that that particular forum would be about, well, the serious stuff as opposed to the casually-sounding Lounge.
Heh, I actually like this idea a lot. :)

[TheFlyingOrc]

Heh, I actually like this idea a lot. :)

Since it was posted on PiRi and not here - Fits is currently looking at making an empty forum that links TO PiRi's discussion, so that people can actually find it when they want to.

[DangerousDaze]

Just leave the poll running forever. Problem solved. (It's worked well enough so far!)

[torrefaction]

Yeah, as I said over at PiRi, I'll try to write the blurb tonight. Busy as hell right now.

[Superman's Dead]

I think Fits made a really good point about the "What?" "Wait, what?" "Huh?" nature of forums with his 'stunt' thing. Because I could read all of the posts one after the other (and a day later) it was clear that he was bluffing and trying to make a point about how nothing can turn into an argument. But I'm sure that at the time, checking new posts, it just seemed like he might have been being a dick. And it was frustrating to read those threads because two people would get in an argument that would take up half the page and derail the topic before the OP could come back from lunch and realize that now his thread is about buttsex.

I'm for it. But I seem to remember Torrefaction getting tired of the work that was moderating, or at least frustrated. And I don't like that. Because he did a really good job Wyatt-Earping.

[torrefaction]

I'm for it. But I seem to remember Torrefaction getting tired of the work that was moderating, or at least frustrated. And I don't like that. Because he did a really good job Wyatt-Earping.

Actually, I never got tired of it. Lucky for me, the community made it really easy once I got a little more strict. People started self policing, and apologizing on the rare occasion I'd issue a warning. The only reason I stopped was because I refused to be part of a site that treated it's users the way Evil did and cared less about the contributing community than anonymous guests on the front page.

[fitbabits]

Actually, I never got tired of it. Lucky for me, the community made it really easy once I got a little more strict. People started self policing, and apologizing on the rare occasion I'd issue a warning. The only reason I stopped was because I refused to be part of a site that treated it's users the way Evil did and cared less about the contributing community than anonymous guests on the front page.
Ahem... In the time it took you to reply, you could have written an intro post. Just saying is all! :)

[Serapth]

His thread is about buttsex. I'm for it.

Selective quoting is fun!

:D

[TrackZero]

Selective quoting is fun!

:D

And with that, this thread is locked. Fits is working stuff out with torre, P&R threads can be posted on CoG as always, and if the traffic for them is "high" enough (so to speak), we can revisit this topic at a later date.