Barebones Kit - Worth It?

[fitbabits]

As some of you know, my one and only PC took a poop and decided to crap out on me. I suspect the motherboard is toast, which puts me in an interesting predicament. Anyway, I saw this on Tiger Direct (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4282928) and I was wondering what you thought about it in terms of value, etc.

Biostar MCP6P-M2 Socket AM2 Barebone Kit
Budgets are tight, so we've created another affordable socket AM2 barebone kit just for you. Check out the specs...
Biostar MCP6P-M2 mobo
AMD Athlon X2 5000+ Black Edition
3GB DDR2-667
500GT SATA II
450 watt power supply.

Based on the NVIDIA GeForce 6150/ nForce 430 chipset, the MCP6P-M2 motherboard is the dependable choice for systems running on AMD Athlon 64 X2, 64, FX, and Sempron processors. This versatile MicroATX platform supports dual channel DDR2 533/667/800 MHz memory up to 4GB, PCI-E x16, SATA2 (3G/bs), RAID 0,1,5, 0+1, USB 2.0, and Fast Ethernet LAN. Plus – and this is a big plus – the Biostar MCP6P-M2 features an onboard NVIDIA GeForce 6150 GPU with maximum memory share up to 512MB (under an OS by Turbo Cache). The Power Up case sports a stunning clear side panel that will show off all your cool components and awesome modding touches. Yet there's much more to this Power Up chassis than merely great looks. With 10 precision-engineered drive bays (four 5.25-inches and six 3.5-inches), you have plenty of expansion and upgrade possibilities. If you’re building an economical system that’s ideal for multimedia entertainment, gaming, or business applications, start your project with the Biostar MCP6P-M2 Socket AM2 kit.
The cost? $180.

NOTE - this will not be used for gaming. Mostly just working for CoG.

Thoughts?

[Bone]

After numerous problems with TigerDirect, I find it's my duty to steer you away from them. I realize a few people have had good experiences with them, and they are lucky. When I had my problems, I found numerous similar complaints on the BBB and another consumer review site that I've forgotten the name of at the moment.

Basically, their customer service is terrible to nonexistent. I bought a power supply from them. It blew up in a week. I used their crappy RMA system to pay for the return shipment out of my own pocket, and received another power supply. It also quickly blew out. I discovered that this batch of power supplies was bad (by looking at other site's reviews) and demanded that they order a new one instead of giving me one from their back stock.

I got a third power supply from them that quickly blew up. At this point I demanded a refund, forget my shipping costs, I just don't want to pay for the PSU. So what do I get? Somehow their system applies the cost of the PSU THREE TIMES to my bank account, causing me to bounce some checks. So I get charged 3 times the PSU's cost instead of a refund. This mess went on for over a month before they finally sorted it out.

In addition, another consumer site had numerous complaints about Tiger Direct's "mail in rebate" policy. They have actively fought to not honor these rebates, both through confusing rebate terms as well as outright ignoring of the rebates that are mailed in to them (even those that conform to the terms). Since many of Tiger's low prices are achieved through these rebates, this is close to fraud in my mind.

I would urge you to find a slightly more expensive but far more reliable vendor, possibly Newegg or even Best Buy before you give Tiger Direct any more money. It will save you money, time, and frustration in the long run.

[Wraith]

What were you running, before it blew up? (Maybe a 5000+ would be a significant upgrade, maybe not.) Oh, and are any of the components salvageable?

The memory is only 667, and they give you three sticks instead of 2 or 4 (which would be better for dual-channel). But at least it's Crucial brand. Case and power supply are probably nothing great. Doesn't include a heatsink/fan for the CPU.

I'd almost say just spend another $50 and get better components separately, but haven't priced it out...

[Wraith]

After numerous problems with TigerDirect, I find it's my duty to steer you away from them. I realize a few people have had good experiences with them, and they are lucky. When I had my problems, I found numerous similar complaints on the BBB and another consumer review site that I've forgotten the name of at the moment.Reseller Ratings (http://www.resellerratings.com), perhaps?

I was going to mention that I'm not fond of TigerDirect, but my experience with them is with a system from 1998, so I didn't know if it was still relevant or not.

And if you're looking for other retailers beyond Newegg and BestBuy, I've had good experience with ZipZoomFly as well (for parts, I haven't bought an actual barebones system).

[pheriannath]

The one and only time that I ordered from Tiger Direct, they double charged my credit card for an order, and I had to spend a month disputing the charge.

[DoctorFinger]

What parts of your PC are salvageable? If it's just your MOBO that blew, you may be able to replace it for <$50. Or alternatively you could buy the barebones and put components from your old box into it.

EDIT - Or, Newegg has this barebones (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110077) for $144 and 2GB memory (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211165) for $27. Still less than what you see from Tiger.

[NoName]

I wanted to make a cheap internet browsing/multimedia computer not to long ago. After looking at barebones for a long time I eventually spec'd out building a new computer from scratch. I had the entire system built for under 200. Check out the older (but still decent) equipment on NewEgg, lots of good finds at super cheap prices.

Then again, my offer to just buy you a new mobo still stands :).

[Wraith]

What parts of your PC are salvageable? If it's just your MOBO that blew, you may be able to replace it for <$50. Or alternatively you could buy the barebones and put components from your old box into it.

EDIT - Or, Newegg has this barebones (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110077) for $144 and 2GB memory (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211165) for $27. Still less than what you see from Tiger.You're still short a CPU then (if his isn't salvageable).

I specced something out on Newegg similar to the barebones setup, with a few better components, and it came out to $290 shipped. But then that's with an Antec case & 500W PSU combo, A64 X2 5000+ with heatsink & fan, Western Digital SATA HDD, and 2GB Kingston DDR2 800 instead of 3GB DDR2 667. Same motherboard, though there are others available for the same price.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/wraithakamrak/system_2008-11-05.png

[NoName]

I think you have to have a NewEgg account to view it but...

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishLists.aspx?WishListNumber=6688694&WishListTitle=lowend

I figured the HD of your old computer can be scavenged.

[Wraith]

I think you have to have a NewEgg account to view it but...

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishLists.aspx?WishListNumber=6688694&WishListTitle=lowendThat link just goes to my own Wishlists page...

[fitbabits]

Or there's this for $300... (http://tinyurl.com/59olsn)

Enhance productivity: The Compaq Presario SR5505F includes essential features for helping you get the job done with less effort. With a powerful dual-core AMD processor and premium features including high-end video memory, LightScribe Technology and a DVD SuperMulti drive, this desktop will help you perform complex tasks quickly and easily.

Dual-core processing: The 2.2GHz AMD Athlon X2 4200 Dual-Core processor has two processing engines that work in tandem, providing much more power than traditional 2.2GHz single-core models.


This desktop features 1GB of DDR2 system memory—enough to handle everyday computing needs. DDR2 is slightly faster than DDR, the previous standard in system memory.
AMD employs HyperTransport technology, which works like a fully-integrated frontside bus that increases bandwidth, reduces bottlenecks and enables processors to work more efficiently. The end result is better performance.
Processors search for the same data over and over. L2 caches keep this data neat, organized, and nearby so it can be retrieved more quickly. This 1MB L2 cache gives the processor a little boost.

Hard drive: This hard drive features a 160GB capacity—perfect for music, movies and multimedia. This drive’s data disks spin at 7200rpm, providing faster-than-average access to your files.

DVD SuperMulti drive: Use this drive to burn DVDs and CDs to share your files, music mixes or home movies. You can even burn DVD-RAM discs—specially-formatted discs that let you drag and drop, or write and rewrite your files up to 100,000 times.

LightScribe disc-labeling: Burn custom, silkscreen-quality labels and images onto your discs with the same drive that burns the data.

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1 (32-bit): Windows Vista Home Premium is the operating system for homes with advanced computer needs. And Vista Premium features the elegant new Aero interface. You’ll be able to use your desktop more effectively and enjoy new entertainment experiences—all with the benefit of added security and reliability.

Audio/video: The SR5505F features the advanced NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE graphics card with TurboCache and 128MB of dedicated video memory, an addition to the main system memory, with a total of 319MB available graphics memory. This is great for games or watching movies and videos. The high definition audio capabilities will support up to six speakers for realistic reproduction of your music and soundtracks.

Software bundle:
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium, Works 9 and Office Home and Student Edition 2007 (60-day trial)
Norton Internet Security 2008 (with 60 days of live update)
Adobe Acrobat Reader 8.0
CyberLink DVD Suite Deluxe
muvee autoProducer BasicI'm not worried about it only havinv one gig of memory - I have DDR2 sticks coming out my ears here.

[Wraith]

There are a few Circuit City coupons/referral discounts out there, like this one (http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/genericContent.do?linkid=j26908450&affiliateid=k1369&oid=113665&om_keycode=777592) (7% off $199+). Looks like about enough to cover tax.

As for the system, the processor's a bit slower, and hard drive is smaller... but you do get the OS, DVDRW, keyboard & mouse... Looks like a nice little budget system, once you throw in that extra RAM.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I have nothing but kind words for TigerDirect. One time I ordered some fans for my PC and they arrived like 10 hours after I placed the order, with me choosing the standard 3 day shipping or whatever.

[Rogue_hunter]

I have nothing but kind words for TigerDirect. One time I ordered some fans for my PC and they arrived like 10 hours after I placed the order, with me choosing the standard 3 day shipping or whatever.

Eh, that just means you're right by their distribution center. Newegg is the same for me, I order something one night, and it will get to me by noon the next day.

Wraith's posted list on Newegg sounds perfect for just puttering around. I second it.

[fitbabits]

Bumping because I saw this (http://tinyurl.com/4yp885):

What's Included


eMachines Desktop with AMD Athlon™ 2650e Processor
Standard keyboard and mouse
Amplified stereo speakers
Software: Microsoft Works 9.0 and more
Power cord
Owner's manual

Product Features


AMD Athlon™ 2650e* single-core processor
Features a 64-bit platform; 2000MHz system bus with Enhanced Virus Protection** for Windows XP, and HyperTransport™ Technology.
AMD64 technology
Provides simultaneous support for 32-bit and 64-bit computing, including today's 32-bit applications and tomorrow's 64-bit software; 512KB L2 cache memory for efficient processing while multitasking.
1GB DDR2 memory
For multitasking power, expandable to 2GB.
SuperMulti DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support
Records up to 8.5GB of data or 4 hours of video using compatible media; supports DVD-RAM; also supports Labelflash direct-disc labels using compatible Labelflash media.
160GB Serial ATA II hard drive (7200 rpm)
Provides plenty of storage for your data at fast read/write speeds.
NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE graphics
With up to 128MB shared video memory for lush images.
15-in-1 digital media card reader
Supports CompactFlash Type I/II, Secure Digital, MultiMediaCard, MultiMediaCard Plus, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO, Memory Stick Duo and Memory Stick PRO Duo.
Also supports CompactFlash+, xD-Picture Card and Microdrive, miniSD and Reduced-Size MultiMediaCard (RS-MMC).
7 high-speed USB 2.0 ports
For fast digital transfer and easy connection of peripherals.
Built-in 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet with RJ-45 connector
Along with a V.92 modem for easy Internet connectivity.
Amplified stereo speakers
With support for high-definition audio (6-channel support) deliver crisp, clear sound.
Microsoft Windows XP Home operating system preinstalled
Software package included with Microsoft Works. 60-day trial version of Microsoft Office Home and Student Edition 2007 also included.

All for $199.99. Looks to be ideal - now to try and find $200. Being unemployed and skint sucks balls.

[Bone]

I hate to go negative again, but when I did house call computer repairs, eMachines were the bane of my existence. The most random things would break, and unfortunately, it was always something on the motherboard. USB ports would fail, PCI slots would fail, onboard sound, onboard graphics. There was no fixing them without replacing everything.

If anyone has had better experiences with these machines since 2006, please let me know. At the time they were the worst example of cheap manufacturing I'd ever seen (internally). The outside of the case always looked sleek and modern, of course.

[fitbabits]

I hate to go negative again, but when I did house call computer repairs, eMachines were the bane of my existence. The most random things would break, and unfortunately, it was always something on the motherboard. USB ports would fail, PCI slots would fail, onboard sound, onboard graphics. There was no fixing them without replacing everything.

If anyone has had better experiences with these machines since 2006, please let me know. At the time they were the worst example of cheap manufacturing I'd ever seen (internally). The outside of the case always looked sleek and modern, of course.
Actually, I used to be a Double Agent for Geek Squad and the most problematic computers I ever saw were Acer ones. The store I was based in would sell a lot, and I'd invariably be called out to fix them when they screwed up.

eMachines are good for what they are - basic. The cases are usually decent, but the internals are leaps and bounds ahead of where they were two years ago.

[Bone]

OK. As long as they've improved on the motherboards. I seriously had never seen so much hardware failure, across such a wide array of components. I see they are still doing the integrated graphics with 128MB "shared" memory (the graphics card uses the system RAM as its memory).

And you're right about the Acers. For me they were still 2nd behind eMachines when it came to completely random hardware failure.

[fitbabits]

OK. As long as they've improved on the motherboards. I seriously had never seen so much hardware failure, across such a wide array of components. I see they are still doing the integrated graphics with 128MB "shared" memory (the graphics card uses the system RAM as its memory).

And you're right about the Acers. For me they were still 2nd behind eMachines when it came to completely random hardware failure.
Yeah, I have no problem with integrated graphics. I would be using it primarily for work, not for fun.

I like that it has XP as well.

[PathMaster]

TigerDirect is the DEVIL!! Stay Away. /exaggeration

I have had issues with TD several different times. Newegg on the other hand, always works out well. May I suggest you look at BlackFriday deals for some desktops, might be a bit more powerful then some of things you have linked.

[fitbabits]

TigerDirect is the DEVIL!! Stay Away. /exaggeration

I have had issues with TD several different times. Newegg on the other hand, always works out well. May I suggest you look at BlackFriday deals for some desktops, might be a bit more powerful then some of things you have linked.
Already done so. As I mentioned, I don't care about power as it will not be used for gaming (save the occasional Flash game).

It all boils down to when I have the money. Right now I have $0.45 in my checking account.

[Bone]

Hey James, I just did some digging. Did you know who makes the eMachines computers?

Acer.

Seriously, we can find you a better deal on something that won't explode.

[fitbabits]

Hey James, I just did some digging. Did you know who makes the eMachines computers?

Acer.

Seriously, we can find you a better deal on something that won't explode.
Yeah, I knew that. Acer bought Gateway (who had bought eMachines prior to that).

[PathMaster]

May I suggest something like Dell's Outlet (http://www.dell.com/outlet)store? (Down at the moment or I would link some items)

Taken a look at any items from Everex? This EVEREX Impact (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883118009), is only $180, and really just needs a ram upgrade. Although it is running Vista basic. Their gPC (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883118008)runs about $200, and runs Ubuntu. For something running more ram, try this Gateway (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113082).

Beyond that, try Craigslist (http://denver.craigslist.org/), or maybe a local Freecycle (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DenverFreecycle/)group. Quick glance nets a $100 laptop (http://denver.craigslist.org/sys/919713467.html) on Denver's CL.

Hope some of this helps.

[fitbabits]

Bumping again for this:

My System Details

Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core E2200 (2.20GHz,1MB L2Cache,800FSB) (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%201%29)

Genuine Windows Vista® Home Basic, Service Pack 1 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2011%29)

No Pre-installed Productivity Software (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2022%29)

1 Year Basic Limited Warranty and 1 Year NBD On-Site Service (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2029%29)

Dell 19 inch Widescreen E1909WFP Analog Flat Panel Display (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%205%29)

2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM 800MHz - 2DIMMs (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%203%29)

Single Drive: 16X (DVD+/-RW) Burner Drive (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2016%29)

160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™ (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%208%29)

Dell Energy Smart Enabled (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2026%29)

Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 3100 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%206%29)

No Floppy Drive (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2010%29)

No Modem Option (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2014%29)

McAfee Total Protection for Small Business, 30-day subscription (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:to_page_mod%281,%2025%29)


All for $329. Granted, I can't afford it right now (I have $0.45 in my checking account).

[PathMaster]

None of the links work, but that is a fine deal for something very basic.

[Wraith]

Bumping again for this:

*snip*

All for $329. Granted, I can't afford it right now (I have $0.45 in my checking account).Is that with shipping and tax included?

[Aggort]

Yea, I'll throw my hat in the "do not buy from Tiger Direct" category. Plus as you can see from the other posts, it's not that great of a deal.

I've had two issues with TD in the past and that was all I needed, I'm done with them. The second time they charged my card, then didn't ship my item. A week later I received an email saying I had to CALL them. So I did, they told me they couldn't verify my identity. I told them it was outrageous, they wanted me to fax a copy of my ID, I told them hell no and to cancel my order immediately. After another week my money had not been returned to the account after which I called again. This time they said I'd have to verify my account with them and they'd refund me. I told them I had no item and that they were holding my money without any kind of proper information and that it was to be refunded immediately. I got connected to a higher up who finally put the money back in my account. A week after that I received and email informing me I hadn't payed for the item, I called again go to the highest up I could and told him to make sure I didn't receive those emails again and that I was never doing business with them ever again. Usually I am a calm collective person and very understanding, ya'know, I know what it's like to have that job though it's not even your fault, but by the end of my horrendous month with them, I lost all patience.

Sorry to turn this into an anti TD post, but I wanted you to be clear why you should never do business with that horrible company.

[fitbabits]

Is that with shipping and tax included?
Shipping is $30, making the total cost $359.