A Call for Calm

[fitbabits]

Look, I know some of you are upset about the banning of 'CoG', etc. over at EvAv, but let's be the bigger person here and NOT resort to petty thread hijacking, either here or on EvAv.

[biosc1]

Agreed. A lot of people wanted out of there due to the petty management style. Don't stoop to the level of the person you are choosing to avoid.

Though, I'm still a relative newbie from that site, so I didn't encounter too much of what was wrong with it. :o

[iHap]

It might be very immature, with the both parties trying to get away from each other, It's also funny.

But honestly I agree.

[Sandman]

I saw no one threadjacking any threads to start with. It was just our goodbye threads and letting people know where we were going that set Evil off.

[LongStepMantis]

I've made my displeasure with EvAv known...here.
I see no point in mentioning it there.

I think it would be wise for all of us to do the same. The sooner he just forgets about us, the better, imo.

I doubt I will mention it here after today either.

[Purple Santa]

I stated in a thread somewhere over "there" about how Fits and Baps both left with class. We should all take from their fine example. I'm hoping everyone listens to you. Let's just enjoy this site...

[NoName]

Look, I know some of you are upset about the banning of 'CoG', etc. over at EvAv, but let's be the bigger person here and NOT resort to petty thread hijacking, either here or on EvAv.

Agreed. A lot of people wanted out of there due to the petty management style. Don't stoop to the level of the person you are choosing to avoid.

Though, I'm still a relative newbie from that site, so I didn't encounter too much of what was wrong with it. :o

I'm not normally a big fan of the QFT thing, but there's not much to add to this. Just bumpin the thread :).

[Slack3r78]

Look, I know some of you are upset about the banning of 'CoG', etc. over at EvAv, but let's be the bigger person here and NOT resort to petty thread hijacking, either here or on EvAv.
Preach it brother.

You people have no idea how much self control it took for me not to go post my Captain Douchebag image over at EvAv.

If I'm capable of that, I expect the rest of you to be able to show some self-control, too.

[Zanzibar]

Say, is there a 'Blow By Blow Timeline' as to what went down anywhere? I just wanna know what the hell happened.

[Norse]

I agree that posting stuff over there should be avoided, but I see no reason for us not to make fun of EvAv over here. Everyone will calm down soon anyway.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Fits, you're still my favorite mod, but a lot of times I think you think other people on the internet are much more upset about things than they actually are.

[iHap]

Preach it brother.

You people have no idea how much self control it took for me not to go post my Captain Douchebag image over at EvAv.

If I'm capable of that, I expect the rest of you to be able to show some self-control, too.
Awww man I wanna see it.

[Slack3r78]

Awww man I wanna see it.
http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showpost.php?p=3117&postcount=30

But I'm not carrying it across to EvAv. It served its purpose of giving me a laugh and a little stress relief here, no need to asplode things further.

[fitbabits]

Fits, you're still my favorite mod, but a lot of times I think you think other people on the internet are much more upset about things than they actually are.
I have zero control over what people do over at EvAv, but bringing it here to gloat? It's not how I want us as a community to act. I'm asking people to be mature, to move on, to be bigger than petty squabbling.

[Commissar Rob]

Look, I know some of you are upset about the banning of 'CoG', etc. over at EvAv, but let's be the bigger person here and NOT resort to petty thread hijacking, either here or on EvAv.
Well said. What's happened was unfortunate - sad really - but nothing's going to change that. Just letting it go is for the best.

[Cit Phil Cit]

I agree that posting stuff over there should be avoided, but I see no reason for us not to make fun of EvAv over here. Everyone will calm down soon anyway.

Because it is rude and childish. Some people could be mature, but others would take it as license to be totally outrageous pricks. So let's not do it at all. Making fun of it insults the many years it was held in the highest esteem.

[iHap]

http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showpost.php?p=3117&postcount=30

But I'm not carrying it across to EvAv. It served its purpose of giving me a laugh and a little stress relief here, no need to asplode things further.
Oh man that made me cry I was laughing so hard.

[LordDon]

Maybe it's because I've been indignant for months, but I'm inclined to acquiesce with Fits on this. The rage is gone and what's left is mostly pity for Phil.

Help make Colony awesome by not dragging this shit out.

[Bingley Joe]

Of course, you're right, Fits. I'm done over there. A weight has been lifted, although possibly at the expense of some of my better judgement.. Still, you're absolutely right.

[Everyone vs Dinosaurs]

We can't make fun of him?

Class?


What kind of joint is this?

[J Arcane]

Dudeman's right.

Going over there and trolling the site does nothing more than feed Evil's ego and delusions, so why give him the satisfaction?

[Grifter]

I still think someone should Pike them.

[Mdot]

Good call, Fits. I can respect that and I hope everyone else does too.

[Zero]

Yeah, one of the primary reasons I decided not to post in PiRi back in August was because of little things like this. Let's be bigger than the man.

[Nameless]

If we go and troll over there, all we'll do is justify Evil's statement that only the trolls left the site during the August blow-up. And that would be a shitty way to start up this new community.

So I agree completely with Fits, it's not a big deal, just let it slide.

[Scull]

I did make a single post over there to lament the loss of community that was built up and to (nicely) deride Evil for pissing away his chances to make amends and help to keep his community strong. It was immediately deleted. Twice. Then I got a PM from Evil apologizing for deleting the thread.

It doesn't matter, I'm in this for the community, and where it goes, so do I.

[LordDon]

I still think someone should Pike them.

Damn you Grifter, this made me nudge ever so slightly away from Fits stance. You have to admit that would be funny, even if it would be immature.

[Norse]

I still think someone should Pike them.

Yeah, this is pretty much what EvAv himself wanted people to do with the whole Pike thing.

[Grifter]

Damn you Grifter, this made me nudge ever so slightly away from Fits stance. You have to admit that would be funny, even if it would be immature.

I was joking... kind of but considering the history of the Pike he would have absolutely no room to talk.

[Clark]

Even though the guy does/did some bizarre things during this madness the last post of his I read was at the very least, sane.

"I'm sorry, I have nothing bad to say about bapenguin or fitbabits. They were fantastic Mods and I wish them the best of luck somewhere else.

There was a significant misunderstanding and while I made an attempt to explain to to them as both the site owner and as their friends, they didn't want to hear it it and they left.

I wish them lots of luck with their new pages."

As someone who has donated to EVAV, I'd like to know what the last incident was. If PMs are being sent, I'd appreciate one.

[pheriannath]

I've vented my EvAv anger in other outlets, I prefer to keep things nice and chill here.

<'((^><

[iHap]

I've vented my EvAv anger in other outlets, I prefer to keep things nice and chill here.

<'((^><
Could also keep the EvAv bashing to the blogs, I mean it'll never get noticed unless people look in the blog section.

[J Arcane]

Even though the guy does/did some bizarre things during this madness the last post of his I read was at the very least, sane.

"I'm sorry, I have nothing bad to say about bapenguin or fitbabits. They were fantastic Mods and I wish them the best of luck somewhere else.

There was a significant misunderstanding and while I made an attempt to explain to to them as both the site owner and as their friends, they didn't want to hear it it and they left.

I wish them lots of luck with their new pages."

As someone who has donated to EVAV, I'd like to know what the last incident was. If PMs are being sent, I'd appreciate one.
Typical Evil. Blame it on them because it can't possibly be that you've done anything wrong yourself.

This is the kind of guy you're dealing with, people. Do you really think that trolling is going do do anything at all?

[fitbabits]

Even though the guy does/did some bizarre things during this madness the last post of his I read was at the very least, sane.

"I'm sorry, I have nothing bad to say about bapenguin or fitbabits. They were fantastic Mods and I wish them the best of luck somewhere else.

There was a significant misunderstanding and while I made an attempt to explain to to them as both the site owner and as their friends, they didn't want to hear it it and they left.

I wish them lots of luck with their new pages."

As someone who has donated to EVAV, I'd like to know what the last incident was. If PMs are being sent, I'd appreciate one.
That's all very noble, etc., on Phil's part, but it's also completely false. There was no explanation given - none. Legitimate questions were asked and I was told that the running of the site was none of my business. If Phil wants to play the martyr here, then fine, but he's playing the wrong card with the wrong person.

It should NEVER have come to this, let that be clear. However, it has, and I know that I am on very, very solid ethical and moral ground.

[TheFlyingOrc]

That's all very noble, etc., on Phil's part, but it's also completely false. There was no explanation given - none. Legitimate questions were asked and I was told that the running of the site was none of my business. If Phil wants to play the martyr here, then fine, but he's playing the wrong card with the wrong person.

See, this is what I was talking about. The little jokes running around aren't a problem, but bringing it up in a serious context brings up statements like this, which are actually inflammatory.

[fitbabits]

See, this is what I was talking about. The little jokes running around aren't a problem, but bringing it up in a serious context brings up statements like this, which are actually inflammatory.
There's nothing inflammatory about it. It's a statement of fact.

Still, I've said what needed to be said.

[TheFlyingOrc]

There's nothing inflammatory about it. It's a statement of fact.

Still, I've said what needed to be said.

Statements of fact are not mutually exclusive to inflammatory, and you know that. It makes the spirit of the forums more negative, regardless of how true it is.

I think your moderation would be better if you let people police themselves in this matter. You are free to disagree with me.

[fitbabits]

Statements of fact are not mutually exclusive to inflammatory, and you know that. It makes the spirit of the forums more negative, regardless of how true it is.

I think your moderation would be better if you let people police themselves in this matter. You are free to disagree with me.

I appreciate where you are coming from, and the point you're making.

[Sandman]

Evil does know that you guys were more than just Mods right? Every post since you've left that's all he's called you.

[fitbabits]

Evil does know that you guys were more than just Mods right? Every post since you've left that's all he's called you.

Only he knows...

I will say this, though - I've seldom been as under-appreciated.

[Banacek]

That's all very noble, etc., on Phil's part, but it's also completely false. There was no explanation given - none. Legitimate questions were asked and I was told that the running of the site was none of my business. If Phil wants to play the martyr here, then fine, but he's playing the wrong card with the wrong person.

It should NEVER have come to this, let that be clear. However, it has, and I know that I am on very, very solid ethical and moral ground.

He wasn't always like this to you guys, was he?

[Slack3r78]

Only he knows...

I will say this, though - I've seldom been as under-appreciated.
What's the opinion of one jackass when you have the opinion of a couple hundred other jackasses? ;)

[TheFlyingOrc]

I appreciate where you are coming from, and the point you're making.

And I do want you to know that I really appreciate the fact that I can disagree with you, even be critical, and not get banned.

I'm still amazed I survived when I made that thread saying I opposed Kamalot's banning.

[fitbabits]

And I do want you to know that I really appreciate the fact that I can disagree with you, even be critical, and not get banned.

I'm still amazed I survived when I made that thread saying I opposed Kamalot's banning.
Crap, did I forget to ban your flying ass? :)

[rinichanraar]

I still think someone should Pike them.

The thought of this made me laugh out loud in an empty room. :)

[iHap]

MagicPiCe Club

[Grifter]

The thought of this made me laugh out loud in an empty room. :)

Then my job here is done.

[OUX]

See, this is what I was talking about. The little jokes running around aren't a problem, but bringing it up in a serious context brings up statements like this, which are actually inflammatory.

Meh, it is just like every other long term breakup. Both sides are going to be angry for awhile and it will eventually run its course.
http://janedark.com/breakup.jpg

[Rogue_hunter]

Meh, it is just like every other long term breakup. Both sides are going to be angry for awhile and it will eventually run its course.
http://janedark.com/breakup.jpg

WORST. MOVIE. EVER! Like, that movie was really bad. Good job for making me think of that crappy movie.

[J Arcane]

Meh, it is just like every other long term breakup. Both sides are going to be angry for awhile and it will eventually run its course.

So long as they don't go running back into each other's arms after a month, like happened last time.

[OUX]

WORST. MOVIE. EVER! Like, that movie was really bad. Good job for making me think of that crappy movie.

Hey, people refer to Hitler when they are trying to make a point right? Same thing.

[iHap]

Hey, people refer to Hitler when they are trying to make a point right? Same thing.

I think Hitler was one of the smartest tactical officers of all time next to Ganges con

[itchyeyes]

Hey, people refer to Hitler when they are trying to make a point right? Same thing.
The Break Up<<<<Hitler<<<<Everything Else

[TheFlyingOrc]

I think Hitler was one of the smartest tactical officers of all time next to Ganges con

I severely hope that wasn't supposed to be Genghis Kahn.

[iHap]

I severely hope that wasn't supposed to be Genghis Kahn.

Inside joke from a class...sorry...It's habbit.

[OUX]

I think Hitler was one of the smartest tactical officers of all time next to Ganges con

Still not as good as Genghis Khan.

EDIT: Damn it Orc, if I could fly too I would be faster.

[Commissar Rob]

I severely hope that wasn't supposed to be Genghis Kahn.
Actually, Ganges con was a little known officer from Bombay...

[Darkmatter]

That's all very noble, etc., on Phil's part, but it's also completely false. There was no explanation given - none. Legitimate questions were asked and I was told that the running of the site was none of my business. If Phil wants to play the martyr here, then fine, but he's playing the wrong card with the wrong person.

It should NEVER have come to this, let that be clear. However, it has, and I know that I am on very, very solid ethical and moral ground.

What I don't understand is why isn't the story of what all happened spelled out CLEARLY and PLAINLY on the front page of this new site? Since it's why its here it would seem a fitting start. Instead we get a hint filled "read between the lines please" opening story which is really disappointing considering how many people are still very confused and uninformed about what's going on.

This is YOUR site(yours and others, I know), not his. On EA you had to watch what you posted, but here you can just tell it like it is but you really haven't yet. It IS out there, in the forums, a lot more then on the front page but I don't think people deserve being given the job of having to go find it. I just feel that a lot of people supported EA and everyone who reads it deserves full disclosure. Of course they may never get that on EA, but they could at least get it here if they get to the front page. But as it is right now, they still only get full disclosure if they go out and work for it.

People want, and I think deserve, easy access, transparent, full disclosure; EVERYONE, Reds, Purples, Pinks, Greens, Oranges, and even Yellows deserve it. You now have it within your power to give it to them.

Why not do it? :confused:

[J Arcane]

Why not do it?

What is there that be gained from having an out and out site war with EvAv? What is there that can really be proven?

Take the site to war over this and you know what'll happen? The same thing he's done every time, every latest shitstorm: Delete the threads, ban everyone involved that could possibly provide proof of his behavior, deny it all to high heaven, present his own distorted version of the truth, and then declare us all as nothing but trolls.

And don't kid yourself, the remaining userbase will eat that shit the fuck up. If they still haven't wised up to what a shitty human being he is by now, what makes you think yet another attempted scandal is going to change a goddamn thing?

Better to stay above the muck, cut the ties that need be cut, and move on as a new site, a new place apart and different from EvAv, and let it all wash out with the tide.

[violent]

I learned a long time ago to never burn bridges. Aside from being unnecessary, starting a conflict with another site is simply immature. Something I mentioned to Evil personally when he called on his users to attack another site.

Even if it were my own mother doing it, it'd still be wrong. I say move forward and leave the past behind.

[Darkmatter]

I'm not saying attack. I'm saying tell the truth. Beleive me, I am not one for drama, but we're talking about real people posting things on their site to get other peoples real money. Thats not the same as leaving cause of some deleted threads. You ask for money from people and they give it to you, there needs to be some accountability.

[J Arcane]

I'm not saying attack. I'm saying tell the truth. Beleive me, I am not one for drama, but we're talking about real people posting things on their site to get other peoples real money. Thats not the same as leaving cause of some deleted threads. You ask for money from people and they give it to you, there needs to be some accountability.
You're not getting me: What "truth"?

This is the Internet. Doesn't matter what we say, he'll say another. It's one person's word against another.

You make a statement like that on the front page, and all he'll do is use it as an excuse to further defame this site instead.

It's over. There's nothing that can really be done about it. This is a new place, best to treat it like one.

[Darkmatter]

Your saying you don't want to insight him to go around saying stuff, banning words, and deleting threads. Well he's already doing that. Yes he could and would post his own verson of it but then people would openly have both sides of the story and could make up their own mind.

Also, since I am pretty sure the only thing "this side" would be asking for is for a breakdown of how much donation money came in, when it came in, and how it was used. If he chooses not to release the info it kinda speaks volumes in itself.

Theres no need for an attack. We request transparency regarding the finances of the site since a lot of money has been requested (and given) over the years through donations and I think people have a right to ask for it. If he refuses, that pretty much says all that needs to be said.

[TrackZero]

Your saying you don't want to insight him to go around saying stuff, banning words, and deleting threads. Well he's already doing that. Yes he could and would post his own verson of it but then people would openly have both sides of the story and could make up their own mind.

Also, since I am pretty sure the only thing "this side" would be asking for is for a breakdown of how much donation money came in, when it came in, and how it was used. If he chooses not to release the info it kinda speaks volumes in itself.

Theres no need for an attack. We request transparency regarding the finances of the site since a lot of money has been requested (and given) over the years through donations and I think people have a right to ask for it. If he refuses, that pretty much says all that needs to be said.

Dark, I think part of it is we just want to put that drama behind us. We're trying to create something here that's above that type of pettiness. While I agree it'd be nice to have the "story" sitting out there for people, for many visitors, they wouldn't know or care what's going on (we've got people coming in from places other than EvAv).

As for his refusal, he already has. Thread deletes, PM deletes, bannings, changed story comments when there is replies. It's just not worth our time.

[Darkmatter]

Ok, so here, deep in the forums, what DID he do with all our money? :(

[Erratic]

Ok, so here, deep in the forums, what DID he do with all our money? :(

totally wanting to know as well. Im ok with a PM to keep it quiet.

[Darkmatter]

I kinda feel that it plays INTO Evil's hand to be quiet but I can't really say for sure without all the facts... Which is why I want the facts! :) I can't say much else till I hear whats up but I have to be honest and say that the word "Fraud" did pop into my mind. But like I said, I have no idea if it applies or not since I don't have all the info right now.

[BlackPete]

Dark - you pretty much answered your own question. Thread deleting, PM deleting, etc, etc, etc. You can only put up with that for so long before you get fed up with feeling like you have to watch what you say.

Of course, there's more to the story, but to be honest... I really don't care. I've long ago concluded that he's someone who's not worth my time thinking about. I don't know the full story either, but that doesn't even matter... I know enough to know that I simply don't care to know any more.

[Wolvie]

Through the whole "magic PC" thing I was on the outside looking in. When Random got banned, I took it as him running his mouth one more time, and yet again getting banned. When Schnoogs got banned, I didn't think much of it either since he was dogging Evil as much as Random, then Hotcod got knocked off and I figured the guys opinionated attitude got the best of him... then iHap got banned, then H1PO and I was like "What the FUCK?!?!"
Then people tried to ask questions and post recounts of the dispute, and they got deleted, people dared to question Evil and got banned(like Disgustipated). And with every action I lost more in more faith in Evil... and then I woke up and realized the man had lost it. Completely.

It's too bad the man couldn't swollow his pride and just apologize. It's like my wife said, "He had better wake up and stop this nonsense or he's gonna lose the entire community."

I couldn't agree more with the woman.

[Calm]

Came as soon as I heard the call, What's up?

[BlackPete]

It's too bad the man couldn't swollow his pride and just apologize. It's like my wife said, "He had better wake up and stop this nonsense or he's gonna lose the entire community."

That's pretty much when I decided to mentally write him off as a narcisst and someone I no longer cared about.

It's amazing how not caring is so relaxing and stress-relieving! :D

Anyway... I'll stop now. I don't like talking about someone behind their backs.

[Whunpo]

Through the whole "magic PC" thing I was on the outside looking in. When Random got banned, I took it as him running his mouth one more time, and yet again getting banned. When Schnoogs got banned, I didn't think much of it either since he was dogging Evil as much as Random, then Hotcod got knocked off and I figured the guys opinionated attitude got the best of him... then iHap got banned, then H1PO and I was like "What the FUCK?!?!"
I appreciate your caring, but I didn't get banned. Still a member.
As a matter of fact, I'm kinda surprised I haven't been banned.
I've never banned from a forum before, and I was kinda getting excited for it. It never happened...:(

[mister slim]

Ok, so here, deep in the forums, what DID he do with all our money? :(

Does it really matter? You know donations brought in a lot of money. You know the justification for the donation drives, the server costs, was nowhere near that amount. You know that money went somewhere else and it upset basically all the other staff enough that they left. Given that there's really no need for an itemized list of questionable expenses. Personally I like to think the money went to Evil's secret Alpaca rescue charity. That still doesn't make it acceptable, or help me see past his personal flaws.

[Esquilax1138]

I'm not one for biblical stuff, but don't look back or you might turn into a pillar of salt.

That and I won't give the PC hating dick another site hit.

[Wolvie]

I appreciate your caring, but I didn't get banned. Still a member.
As a matter of fact, I'm kinda surprised I haven't been banned.
I've never banned from a forum before, and I was kinda getting excited for it. It never happened...:(

Huh, I guess I got my banned list confused.

[Virtual Machine]

I know i'm just another name in a sea of names. I know i hadn't been hangin' about EvAv long enough to make any kind of real friends or enemies (Though Karak and I are both apparently insane enough to enjoy the shit out of Two Worlds and Advent Rising), and i'd like to put the following out there:

Just leave it alone. As a community, what may or may have gone on is really none of my business. No, i don't know what went down, and i really don't need to know. If you feel you have been victimized by anyone, send said person a message, and ask him what he did with your money. If he doesn't respond, or dismisses outright, chalk it up to lessons learned and assery.

The thing is, he doesn't owe anyone anything. It was a donation, made by you, to the private owner of a private website - it's not like you made a donation to the Heart and Stroke foundation or the Cancer Society, only to discover your cash was funding Friday night Texas Hold 'Em. I think we're all best off abandoning this train of thought altogether so as not to draw the wrong kind of attention. Let sleeping dogs lie.

And i'd like to thank the guys in power for setting up something new, and giving me an opportunity to get in on the ground floor so to speak.

[NoName]

While I was planning on never going to EvAv again, the thought of piking it made me laugh with delicious irony.

I don't think we should do it, but that's the one immature thing I think would be funny if it happened.

[Ancalagon]

I think, the best we can hope for is that those who care on EvAv can ask about what happened. they can post threads, they can send PMs. If they dont do that, thats fine. At the end of the day, this is about Evil Avatar, its owner, and its community.

What I'm getting at, is that those who are concerned, either asked questions on EvAv, or have moved on already. the rest..... they are still plugged into the matrix and we cant do much for them.

As for the man himself..... nothing more we can do. We've expressed our point of view. He has decided to ignore it, and has decided he is right. And it has cost him - he lost every single one of his most valuable staff and a good portion of the only posters worth reading. That will affect his bottom line ultimately, but more than anything I would like it to affect his view on what he can and cannot do. Ultimately, Evil did something, the community told him it wasnt fair, he didnt listen, and we did exactly what we said we were going to do - we left. Yeah, it sucks that hes an asshole, but thats his problem, not ours. People who behave like that generally tend to run into problems in life until they change their ways, and I'm content to leave Evil find that out for himself.

So yes... I think it needs to be left alone now, nothing more we can do.

[Rock Bandit]

If you really wanted to "stick it" to Evil your best course of action would be to not type another single word over there. Silence can be deafening.

[Slack3r78]

I think, the best we can hope for is that those who care on EvAv can ask about what happened. they can post threads, they can send PMs.
Already happened. We got called trolls and troublemakers and were told flat out to leave.

Evil even considered the PMs an affront, cutting limits and word filtering site names.

[iHap]

Already happened. We got called trolls and troublemakers and were told flat out to leave.

Evil even considered the PMs an affront, cutting limits and word filtering site names.
Has he even gone to say that I'm still trolling the site?

[Mdot]

Ok, now on to more serious matters. Do we still hold a grudge with Kotaku?? :D

[Ancalagon]

Already happened. We got called trolls and troublemakers and were told flat out to leave.

Evil even considered the PMs an affront, cutting limits and word filtering site names.

I know, and thats part of the reason why we are here. What I was trying to say is that those who are curious and concerned about what happened, are probably here already.

Yeah, what he did totally sucked, I'm in full agreement. But I think we did the best thing - moving on. At the end of the day, if you want to hit the guy back, you need to sink down to his level and play by his rules. He only plays by his rules, and thats why he doesnt have anyone to play with anymore.

[Khrymsyn]

Ok, now on to more serious matters. Do we still hold a grudge with Kotaku?? :D

Wait.. I can actually read what you typed. I SAY WE MUST GO BACK TO THE CENSOR OF ******!!! Who's with me!?

lol Mdot. =)

[AgtFox]

Ok, now on to more serious matters. Do we still hold a grudge with Kotaku?? :D
Many of the founders were of the anti-Kotaku persuasion, so the short answer would be "yes". However we have no plans to block the word or anything.

A new view from us though is that we want to really get at the source of news if we don't happen to receive it ourselves. If Kotaku is indeed the originator of the news it will be properly credited in the news post.

This new edict may slow down quick news because we are going to research where the original story came from if at all possible. We believe the originating source should be the correct source accredited.

[Lutheran]

Agt Fox I thought you did a nice job at EA , shame really to see the whole community fractured though.

[Heretic Machine]

Agt Fox I thought you did a nice job at EA , shame really to see the whole community fractured though.

It isn't really fractured, pretty much anyone you'd want to talk to is over here :)

[maverick106]

I won't calm down until you change your name back fittybobbits!

[J Arcane]

I appreciate your caring, but I didn't get banned. Still a member.
As a matter of fact, I'm kinda surprised I haven't been banned.
I've never banned from a forum before, and I was kinda getting excited for it. It never happened...:(

I got banned, originally for a month. And then sometime thereafter, despite never visiting the site again after the whole debacle, it was apparently upgraded to a permaban, which I learned yesterday morning when I went to read the goodbye posts on EvAv.

If you really wanted to "stick it" to Evil your best course of action would be to not type another single word over there. Silence can be deafening.

I concur with this sentiment 100%. Especially people concerned about where the money's going, because guess what? Every page hit is more ad revenue for the man.

Many of the founders were of the anti-Kotaku persuasion, so the short answer would be "yes". However we have no plans to block the word or anything.

A new view from us though is that we want to really get at the source of news if we don't happen to receive it ourselves. If Kotaku is indeed the originator of the news it will be properly credited in the news post.

This new edict may slow down quick news because we are going to research where the original story came from if at all possible. We believe the originating source should be the correct source accredited.
This is something I agree with, and it's something I have always done whenever posting a news story of any kind, whether it's to my own sites, EvAv, wherever.

As for the silly hangup about Kotaku, to be honest, I'm pretty much over it. In the last year or so I've seen them do a fair job trimming out a lot of the garbage that used to go on, while I've seen a number of the editors at EvAv, who are now here I might add, pull some really stupid stunts, particularly with misleading headlines, that bring to mind only the phrase "stones and glass houses".

[TheKeck]

Commence Gregorian chant of calmness.

[Stoke]

Can we get some kind of statement that anyone purposely causing problems at EA will get banned/removed from all of the new sites? A few people have taken the move to mean they don't have to uphold any sort of decency anymore. I still read EA and some people come into threads for the sole purpose of stirring shit up and it reflects really bad on everyone that has moved to a new site. A few posts to illustrate my point, both of these are the FIRST post they made in the topic.
Hahaha... wtf is this? Don't we already have an mIRC? Eh, whatever, this place is dying.
ban me motherfucker, make it an IP ban while you're at it you walking piece of shit.

[roboninja]

Can we get some kind of statement that anyone purposely causing problems at EA will get banned/removed from all of the new sites? A few people have taken the move to mean they don't have to uphold any sort of decency anymore. I still read EA and some people come into threads for the sole purpose of stirring shit up and it reflects really bad on everyone that has moved to a new site. A few posts to illustrate my point, both of these are the FIRST post they made in the topic.

Why did you remove the usernames of these people? Or were they mock accounts?

[Stoke]

Why did you remove the usernames of these people? Or were they mock accounts?
The were both real accounts, I removed it because I didn't mean to specifically say "Ban these two fuckers." I was just using their posts as an example of stuff that is all over the site, by more than just those two.

[Heretic Machine]

Can we get some kind of statement that anyone purposely causing problems at EA will get banned/removed from all of the new sites? A few people have taken the move to mean they don't have to uphold any sort of decency anymore. I still read EA and some people come into threads for the sole purpose of stirring shit up and it reflects really bad on everyone that has moved to a new site. A few posts to illustrate my point, both of these are the FIRST post they made in the topic.

Pfft, I may not take part in this kind of thing myself, but I really don't care what other people decide to do when it comes to EvAv. I certainly wouldn't want to exclude them from the community. If some people want to do nothing, that's fine, and if some people want to go play in the mud, that's fine by me too; I'm pretty happy hanging out here. It's more social and fun than EvAv has been in quite a while.

[Goronmon]

The were both real accounts, I removed it because I didn't mean to specifically say "Ban these two fuckers." I was just using their posts as an example of stuff that is all over the site, by more than just those two.Well, I know ghostbear was expressing his frustration in that he tried to question Evil as to why Evil was talking shit about him and Evil just deleted the post.

Edit: I mean, Evil is pretty much on a compaign to make sure people think that everyone who left the site was just a troll looking to stir up problems. He can't call out bap or fits for obvious reasons, so he is going after others.

[Banacek]

Let the drama go, I say. Going there and stirring the pot does nothing.

[roboninja]

The were both real accounts, I removed it because I didn't mean to specifically say "Ban these two fuckers." I was just using their posts as an example of stuff that is all over the site, by more than just those two.

Okay, fair enough. But if you are expecting someone here to ask them to tone it down, you cannot expect the admin here to bne policing the EvAv boards. I mean, I personally do not visit the site any longer, so I would have no idea what is going on over there. I am sure I am not alone. If you have specific examples, you could try a PM to a mod here to see if they care or not. Not much else to be done, as far as I can see.

Let the drama go, I say. Going there and stirring the pot does nothing.

This gets my vote as well.

[Stoke]

Well, I know ghostbear was expressing his frustration in that he tried to question Evil as to why Evil was talking shit about him and Evil just deleted the post. I just don't see how that kind of action can line up with what's been said. I thought immaturity on EA's side was one of the reasons for the split. Why then respond with immaturity? You can't take the high road while doing the same thing. Just walk away, the new sites are here, they are good, and they promise to become better than EA ever was.

[Goronmon]

Just walk away, the new sites are here, they are good, and they promise to become better than EA ever was.I think some people are having a hard time letting EvAv play this off as a bunch of drama as he tries to dupe more people out of money to "help the site".

[J Arcane]

While it is important for this board to distance itself from the troublemakers, and discourage people from engaging in any further interboard action, banning someone for something they did on another site entirely is absurd.

That's the kind of shit Evil pulls. Why would you think we would stoop to that level?

[TheFlyingOrc]

By the way, H1PO has balls.

In a thread called, "And I'm a PC", which is making fun of the new MS ads. Everyone in there is posting fake ones, for instance, Evil posted:

I just had my registry corrupted and I had to reinstall Windows XP and all my software, and I'm a PC.

H1P0 posted:

I'm magical,



BALLS.

[AgtFox]

Edit: I mean, Evil is pretty much on a compaign to make sure people think that everyone who left the site was just a troll looking to stir up problems. He can't call out bap or fits for obvious reasons, so he is going after others.
Has he talked bad about Michael, Scott or I (Dr.Finger, Psykoboy2 and me)? I gave him the nicest resignation letter ever and it was responded to by dropping bap, fits and I as reds (it happened almost right after I had sent it). We had asked for Oct. 1st as our last date, he pulled the trigger over a day early.

[Stoke]

I think some people are having a hard time letting EvAv play this off as a bunch of drama as he tries to dupe more people out of money to "help the site".
Creating more drama does not help their point.

[AgtFox]

While it is important for this board to distance itself from the troublemakers, and discourage people from engaging in any further interboard action, banning someone for something they did on another site entirely is absurd.

That's the kind of shit Evil pulls. Why would you think we would stoop to that level?
I agree...I can only see us banning people that go way out of their way to be a detriment to here and not over split-second decisions like Evil had made in the past.

[Bone]

I just don't see how that kind of action can line up with what's been said. I thought immaturity on EA's side was one of the reasons for the split. Why then respond with immaturity? You can't take the high road while doing the same thing. Just walk away, the new sites are here, they are good, and they promise to become better than EA ever was.
Don't fall into the trap of believing anything that remains in a thread Evil has moderated. The real story has been deleted many times over. Ghostbear's remaining post was the result of frustration from the removal of a much more reasonable post.

Edit: In other words, I don't support banning people who still argue with Evil. You can't control people outside of your own forums; that's the thing that led EvAv to where it is now. I like the idea of suggested calmness though. Ommmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I agree...I can only see us banning people that go way out of their way to be a detriment to here and not over split-second decisions like Evil had made in the past.

Like me .

[roboninja]

Creating more drama does not help their point.

You are totally right, and the best option is to simply walk away. However, some people cannot leave it alone when he a)calls them out personally, or b) continues to play the victim card. Of course, if they truly left the site, they would never know. It appears this is the case with the good AgtFox :)

[Goronmon]

Creating more drama does not help their point.The problem is, all you see is the drama because Evil makes sure to leave that after deleting all the reasonable posts.

[Stoke]

The problem is, all you see is the drama because Evil makes sure to leave that after deleting all the reasonable posts.

I agree and have seen that exact thing happen a lot over there, it's just been constant drama for more than a month and it's really starting to wear on me. I just want it to be over and I can't see the point in trying to reason with a man everyone is berating for being unreasonable.

[AgtFox]

I go to the forum every once in a while, I'm just not sure what to look for. I was demoted to yellow and don't want to pay $5 in order to see the possible stuff in Subscribers.

[roboninja]

I go to the forum every once in a while, I'm just not sure what to look for. I was demoted to yellow and don't want to pay $5 in order to see the possible stuff in Subscribers.

Yellow? Harsh. I would assume I am still green, but truthfully, I have not logged in since the initial Magic PC fiasco.

[shunoshi]

You're all better off not bothering with EvAv anymore. The majority of the nasty stuff goes down in the Subscribers Forum. I know it's like the "train wreck" syndrome where you just have to check, but trust me, it's not worth it.

[J Arcane]

You're all better off not bothering with EvAv anymore. The majority of the nasty stuff goes down in the Subscribers Forum. I know it's like the "train wreck" syndrome where you just have to check, but trust me, it's not worth it.
Every post, every site hit, is more money being given to a crooked fuck who hates every last one of you, so why the hell would you give him the satisfaction?

Cut the cord.

[Bingley Joe]

I go to the forum every once in a while, I'm just not sure what to look for. I was demoted to yellow and don't want to pay $5 in order to see the possible stuff in Subscribers.

I don't know how much money you donated over your time there, Fox, but to have demoted you to yellow after everything else you contributed to the site just seems so unbelievably callous.


As to the notion that people should be banned here for what they do over there.. I can't see that working out well, or even making very much sense when you think about it.

Let Evil police his domain in his own.. *ahem* 'unique' ways, and let this thread serve as all the 'statement' that needs be made to the community here.. Many of us have already stopped going there at all, most don't cause any problems if and when they do, and the rest will get tired of stirring up shit soon anyway.

[Zero]

Johan was unbanned and is posting again. I was kinda surprised.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Johan was unbanned and is posting again. I was kinda surprised.

I'm going to try and extricate him here.

edit: sent him a private message telling him generally what's going on and telling him about this site.

[Slack3r78]

You are totally right, and the best option is to simply walk away. However, some people cannot leave it alone when he a)calls them out personally, or b) continues to play the victim card. Of course, if they truly left the site, they would never know. It appears this is the case with the good AgtFox :)
God, do I understand that. Evil made some very harsh, very untrue accusations toward me personally, and it's taken a lot of restraint to just stay away and not go batshit all over the forum.

So while I don't approve of what some people are doing, dear god do I understand their frustration.

[Telefrog]

I'm going to try and extricate him here.

edit: sent him a private message telling him generally what's going on and telling him about this site.

Please do. I know he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but I always like Johan. Since there is (currently) no P&R forum here anyway, it should be safe for him. :D

By the way, can someone, anyone, please PM me and let me know what exactly happened over there? I was present for the Magic PC drama, but I completely missed this latest tragedy. I'm staying away from EvAv from now on because I really like the founders here, but I'd like to know what really went down.

[fitbabits]

I don't know how much money you donated over your time there, Fox, but to have demoted you to yellow after everything else you contributed to the site just seems so unbelievably callous.


As to the notion that people should be banned here for what they do over there.. I can't see that working out well, or even making very much sense when you think about it.

Let Evil police his domain in his own.. *ahem* 'unique' ways, and let this thread serve as all the 'statement' that needs be made to the community here.. Many of us have already stopped going there at all, most don't cause any problems if and when they do, and the rest will get tired of stirring up shit soon anyway.

I, too, was punted from red to yellow with no prior warning. I gave my resignation date, but Phil decided to take his toys from me and give them to someone else.

[rinichanraar]

Please do. I know he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but I always like Johan. Since there is (currently) no P&R forum here anyway, it should be safe for him. :D

By the way, can someone, anyone, please PM me and let me know what exactly happened over there? I was present for the Magic PC drama, but I completely missed this latest tragedy. I'm staying away from EvAv from now on because I really like the founders here, but I'd like to know what really went down.

My sentiments exactly (regarding Johan). I liked him and his smileys. He can actually be a sweet guy.

By the way, has anyone PMed you about it yet? I'm hesitant to do so because so much stuff has happened now that it's been hard to keep all the facts straight. If not, I can give it a try though.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Johan has been invited. I don't think he understands that everyone he cares to talk to is here now, but he said he'd probably lurk.

[AgtFox]

My sentiments exactly (regarding Johan). I liked him and his smileys. He can actually be a sweet guy.

By the way, has anyone PMed you about it yet? I'm hesitant to do so because so much stuff has happened now that it's been hard to keep all the facts straight. If not, I can give it a try though.
A good place here to see what happened would be in modeps' "Oh, Hello" (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=264) thread right here in the Lounge. It has been said many other places, but I laid it out there.

[Telefrog]

A good place here to see what happened would be in modeps' "Oh, Hello" (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=264) thread right here in the Lounge. It has been said many other places, but I laid it out there.

Crap. That sucks major balls. Sorry to hear about you guys getting boned like that. Thanks for the info, though. It certainly makes my decision to leave EvAv easier.

[Bingley Joe]

I, too, was punted from red to yellow with no prior warning. I gave my resignation date, but Phil decided to take his toys from me and give them to someone else.

See.. wow. And I'm guessing then that he must've done the same to everyone else who turned in their papers, so to speak.. That's just insane on so many levels my mind almost fails to grasp how someone - an adult and sworn officer of the law, no less - could be such a baby. Even without knowing all the pertinent details (and I'm assuming that's just the icing on the cake), you just don't behave that way.

You guys should be subscribers for life regardless of personal differences or discord. Anyone with even a shred of integrity would see to it that you were.

[Psykoboy2]

You guys should be subscribers for life regardless of personal differences or discord.

We are now. :cool:

[Bingley Joe]

We are now. :cool:

LOL! True enough! And rightly so :)

[Expugnare]

Preach it brother.

You people have no idea how much self control it took for me not to go post my Captain Douchebag image over at EvAv.

If I'm capable of that, I expect the rest of you to be able to show some self-control, too.

I was looking through EAUploads at school (because for some reason it isn't blocked and there is nothing better to do) and I saw the Captain Douchebag picture. Everyone around thought I was retarded for laughing so hard at it.

[fitbabits]

I was looking through EAUploads at school (because for some reason it isn't blocked and there is nothing better to do) and I saw the Captain Douchebag picture. Everyone around thought I was retarded for laughing so hard at it.

And now that Sponge is here, I all is right with the world.

[Expugnare]

And now that Sponge is here, I all is right with the world.

Glad to be here.

[anakin876]

I concur with this sentiment 100%. Especially people concerned about where the money's going, because guess what? Every page hit is more ad revenue for the man.

Not if you are using an Adblocker :D

Edit: I assumed that my subscription had run out - perhaps that was not the case and I was lumped in with those who were dropped to yellow. Kind of funny really - the only time Evil ever noticed me was post MagicPC when he thought I was trying to stir shit up. In the end (via PM) I thought the hard feelings had been spent. Perhaps not.

On the subject of donation drive funds - the story linked in the other thread seems pretty damning.

[pseudopseudo]

I actually posted a blog taking on this subject a couple days ago - I was told not to make it into a thread, but I'm glad someone did.

Like I said there, everyone anyone wants to talk to will be here soon enough.

[fitbabits]

I actually posted a blog taking on this subject a couple days ago - I was told not to make it into a thread, but I'm glad someone did.

Like I said there, everyone anyone wants to talk to will be here soon enough.

Who advised you to not thread it?

[pseudopseudo]

Who advised you to not thread it?

I asked Scott if I could thread it, and he said to hold off. I think it means a little more coming from one of you guys anyway, so it's probably best I didn't...?

[fitbabits]

I asked Scott if I could thread it, and he said to hold off. I think it means a little more coming from one of you guys anyway, so it's probably best I didn't...?

Gotcha. And thanks.

[Theonar]

I think the extent of anything I do will just be removing EvAv from bookmarks and replacing it with CoG, it fits nicely under co-optimus, I'm glad you guys tied the sites. :)