PSP2 as powerful as the PS3?!

[Yeti2005]

Gizmodo is reporting (http://gizmodo.com/5732548/sony-telling-people-the-psp2-is-as-powerful-as-a-ps3) that Sony is telling game developers that the PSP2 will be as powerful as the PS3.

I bought the PSP1 on launch day and enjoyed it for years before finally selling it. I think a more powerful PSP with twin sticks could be amazing but I hope they don't fall into the trap of making consoles games for a handheld. I think most people enjoy hand held gaming because the games are bite size pieces.

[JayVe]

In the PSP2 Rumor thread (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=19849).

[Gorvi]

Gizmodo is reporting (http://gizmodo.com/5732548/sony-telling-people-the-psp2-is-as-powerful-as-a-ps3) that Sony is telling game developers that the PSP2 will be as powerful as the PS3.

I bought the PSP1 on launch day and enjoyed it for years before finally selling it. I think a more powerful PSP with twin sticks could be amazing but I hope they don't fall into the trap of making consoles games for a handheld. I think most people enjoy hand held gaming because the games are bite size pieces.
I think they mean comparable, with the smaller screen they can make things that look comparable to first gen PS3 games with much less powerful hardware specs.

And I think that while there's a space for the bite size games, larger games look like they might be making a comeback in that space, which I like. Just look at what's been announced for the 3DS, not many of those games are bite sized. I think those bite sized games are what you're going to find on PSN and 3DSiWare (is that what they're calling it?).

EDIT: And I'm moving this to the Handheld forum where it would fit better.

[MagGnome]

I don't see why this would be surprising. You can easily get a laptop that is several generations beyond the PS3, so they should be able to make a comparable handheld with the right engineering.

[MachEnergy]

I think it's just surprising because we are used to handhelds being 1 or 2 console generations behind. With the Gamecube, we played SNES games on our GBA. With the Wii, we play N64 games on our DS. The PSP has always been around the quality of PS2, so of course the PSP2 should be around the quality of a PS3. It's just we don't have a PS4 yet that makes things so strange, me thinks. This long console generation is playing tricks on our puny gamer brains. :D

[Dukefrukem]

So does that mean this thing is gonna cost $600? Say it does. Would anyone pay that price for a portable PS3?

[Gorvi]

I'd pay $250, maybe $300 with a game, absolute maximum. And even that's really pushing it.

[MagGnome]

I'd pay $250, maybe $300 with a game, absolute maximum. And even that's really pushing it.

Yet a lot of people here are willing to drop $350 on a 3DS...

[JayVe]

If the PSP2's screen had the ability to display games in 3D... I think you may find people willing to open their wallets a little further.

That said, $350 is a bit much for the 3DS for me... and I'm frothing at the mouth to get one.

[hunterx280]

My question is, how do the PSP2 and the PSP Phone compare? Are they for different demographics or what? When I started hearing about the PSP Android phone, I figured that was considered the PSP2. Apparently not.

[JayVe]

My question is, how do the PSP2 and the PSP Phone compare? Are they for different demographics or what? When I started hearing about the PSP Android phone, I figured that was considered the PSP2. Apparently not.

Market confusion FTW!

We don't want gamers to be asking, what's the difference between that and a PSP. We have to come up with a message that users will understand. It would have to be a product that keeps the PlayStation's strengths intact.

I'll take a rough stab at it though.

PSP Phone's got a phone
PSP2 Don't

Sometimes you feel like a phone
Sometimes you don't! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s55QoIZScP4)

[Chris_D]

"Console" games are my favourite games on PSP.

[KidCactus]

Market confusion FTW!
Well, the Sony Ericsson phone hasn't even been officially confirmed, and it doesn't even seem to be Playstation branded.

[JayVe]

Well, the Sony Ericsson phone hasn't even been officially confirmed, and it doesn't even seem to be Playstation branded.

PSP2 also hasn't been officially confirmed either.

Apparently Sony has a very clear marketing message that will prevent customers from being confused... they just aren't telling anyone.

[hunterx280]

It seems that handheld gaming is on a bit of a precipice right now. With the iPhone taking a huge market share and getting better games all the time, I can totally understand why Sony would want to leverage what it already has with Sony Ericsson and the popularity of Android. They could be really helpful in getting the Android platform more games.

That being said, I think they are worried about alienating their currently player base.

This is quite a pickle their in. Mass market or go with the market your entrenched in.

[Gorvi]

If the PSP2's screen had the ability to display games in 3D... I think you may find people willing to open their wallets a little further.

That said, $350 is a bit much for the 3DS for me... and I'm frothing at the mouth to get one.
They've already said it won't have a 3D screen, and I really don't think it needs to. Not that there's anything wrong with a 3D screen.
My question is, how do the PSP2 and the PSP Phone compare? Are they for different demographics or what? When I started hearing about the PSP Android phone, I figured that was considered the PSP2. Apparently not.
From what we've seen, the PSP Phone (or Xperia, whatever they finally call it) will be an android phone with some kind of PSN connectivity and PSP Go like controls for games. The PSP2 is an actual next generation leap on the PSP.

[Dukefrukem]

I'd spend $1000 on a phone that had a PS3 graphic chip in it that would last 10 hours.

[Chris_D]

Seems like they're trying to go both ways. Casual with the Android phone, hardcore with the PSP2. They will definitely need to be careful how they market the phone. Anyone who buys one expecting a PSP/PSP2 type experience will probably be disappointed. But as another Android phone that happens to have tactile controls and can play PS1 games, well there could be a market for it.

[Chris_D]

They've already said it won't have a 3D screen, and I really don't think it needs to.

Really not interested in 3D in my portable devices or anything for that matter. But I haven't seen the 3DS in person so a little curious.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I'm really skeptical that something could have PS3-like graphics and not absolutely destroy battery life - the 3DS is supposed to be a huge drop of battery life over the DS, and it's no PS3.

[boratika]

Well, I get the feeling we won't be seeing a handheld with much battery life this generation. If they can only squeeze 3-5 hours out of the 3DS, I wonder how much this will manage. C'mon major breakthrough in battery technology tomorrow *crosses fingers*

Other than that, I'm eager to hear something official on this thing.

[Gorvi]

I'm really skeptical that something could have PS3-like graphics and not absolutely destroy battery life - the 3DS is supposed to be a huge drop of battery life over the DS, and it's no PS3.
I think it's a trade off, the 3D itself is a huge battery drain.

[Chris_D]

Disabling the 3D is meant to give you close to the amount of playtime you would get on a normal DS I think.

[Mike Kelehan]

Considering that the PSP was pretty much a low-res PS2, I see no reason why this couldn't be a low-res PS3. With Nintendo's putting out a low-res Gamecube next month, the status quo will be maintained: Sony will be one generation ahead in terms of tech, but Nintendo will have other bells and whistles and a cheaper price.

And, for me, I think Gamecube quality is all I need in a portable.

[MagGnome]

Considering that the PSP was pretty much a low-res PS2, I see no reason why this couldn't be a low-res PS3. With Nintendo's putting out a low-res Gamecube next month, the status quo will be maintained: Sony will be one generation ahead in terms of tech, but Nintendo will have other bells and whistles and a cheaper price.

And, for me, I think Gamecube quality is all I need in a portable.

I wouldn't count on Nintendo being the cheapest option this time around.

[Gorvi]

Considering that the PSP was pretty much a low-res PS2, I see no reason why this couldn't be a low-res PS3. With Nintendo's putting out a low-res Gamecube next month, the status quo will be maintained: Sony will be one generation ahead in terms of tech, but Nintendo will have other bells and whistles and a cheaper price.

And, for me, I think Gamecube quality is all I need in a portable.
I really don't think Nintendo is going to have the cheaper price point this time around. If nothing else they'll be the same price. I'd be shocked to see the 3DS for less than $250, if not more, and I doubt Sony would go above that.

EDIT: Damn you, Mags! :p

[burger]

this isn't surprising...the PS3 is over 4 years old technology.

I'm really skeptical that something could have PS3-like graphics and not absolutely destroy battery life - the 3DS is supposed to be a huge drop of battery life over the DS, and it's no PS3.

Why? Half of the progress of processor technology has been die shrinking and lessoning power consumption. That's why they shrink the die...less power...plus increasing core count and lowering clock speeds allows for the same number of transistors with less power consumption. Increasing clock speed literally results in a cubic increase in power consumption. It's no joke.

The graphics core in this will benefit from 6 years worth of die shrinking and parallelization. This really shouldn't be surprising. A modern GPU that is equivalent to a 4 year old console but uses a fraction of the power.

[Mike Kelehan]

I wouldn't count on Nintendo being the cheapest option this time around.

I really don't think Nintendo is going to have the cheaper price point this time around. If nothing else they'll be the same price. I'd be shocked to see the 3DS for less than $250, if not more, and I doubt Sony would go above that.

EDIT: Damn you, Mags! :p

We'll see what happens, but I think being the cheapest is important to Nintendo. If Sony launches at $250, Nintendo will drop to $230 or $200 a month before the PSP2's release.

[Gorvi]

We'll see what happens, but I think being the cheapest is important to Nintendo. If Sony launches at $250, Nintendo will drop to $230 or $200 a month before the PSP2's release.
They also don't take a loss on hardware, for the first time in a very long time they're launching pretty cutting edge tech. You would think that by this point Sony would have learned that a competitive price is crucial for them, especially when they're launching 2nd.

[JayVe]

They also don't take a loss on hardware, for the first time in a very long time they're launching pretty cutting edge tech. You would think that by this point Sony would have learned that a competitive price is crucial for them, especially when they're launching 2nd.

Nintendo has been known to take a small loss on hardware in order to make competitive price drops. They dropped the price of the Cube for a while, and admitted that doing so meant they were selling it at a loss.

But yes, in general Nintendo sells systems for profit.

Edit: And yes, you would THINK that Sony has learned that being most expensive isn't the recipe for sales success... but I've thought that about them before. Where are the PS1 days when they came out and sliced the unborn Saturn's head right off?

[Gorvi]

They'd be asking to be crushed if they not only launched 7-8 months later, but for a higher price point. I can't understand the logic in that if they decided to go that route.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Disabling the 3D is meant to give you close to the amount of playtime you would get on a normal DS I think.

Is there a source on this? I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just surprised, and curious as to why the 3D would do that.

[TheFlyingOrc]

They'd be asking to be crushed if they not only launched 7-8 months later, but for a higher price point. I can't understand the logic in that if they decided to go that route.

A continuation of "we are sony we will always be successful regardless of circumstance".

I mean, it seems like they've moved away from that, but what if they haven't?


Why? Half of the progress of processor technology has been die shrinking and lessoning power consumption. That's why they shrink the die...less power...plus increasing core count and lowering clock speeds allows for the same number of transistors with less power consumption. Increasing clock speed literally results in a cubic increase in power consumption. It's no joke.

Only because it has a competitor who is launching a machine less powerful than that with similar problems, so I would expect their problems to be worse. If this is due entirely to the 3D tech, as some has suggested, I can see a PS3-capable thing with at least 3-5 hours of battery life.

Otherwise, this sounds too much like the Game Gear. :)

[burger]

Edit: And yes, you would THINK that Sony has learned that being most expensive isn't the recipe for sales success... but I've thought that about them before. Where are the PS1 days when they came out and sliced the unborn Saturn's head right off?

Sega's problems were far beyond just the price. If you recall the N64 was much cheaper than the PS1 and it still got smoked in total sales. The PS1 was the perfect combination of price, performance and game catalog.

[Gorvi]

Is there a source on this? I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just surprised, and curious as to why the 3D would do that.
Isn't it because in order to do the 3D it's technically generating the image on the top screen twice? That would eat up a significant amount of power.
A continuation of "we are sony we will always be successful regardless of circumstance".

I mean, it seems like they've moved away from that, but what if they haven't?
If they haven't they're fools, and they deserve to be destroyed in sales, regardless of the games available.

[JayVe]

They'd be asking to be crushed if they not only launched 7-8 months later, but for a higher price point. I can't understand the logic in that if they decided to go that route.

Well, it worked for the PS3 compared to the Xbox, right? Came out later at a higher price point. How about the PSP in North America? It came out 4 months later at a higher price point.

Seems like Sony's MO.

I agree with you completely though... and hope they've learned from their previous efforts.

[burger]

It probably has to do with the fact that only a fraction of the video processor is needed to do 2d rendering and texture fills. It can downclock itself and disable a large percentage of the GPU equivalent of a core.

[JayVe]

Sega's problems were far beyond just the price. If you recall the N64 was much cheaper than the PS1 and it still got smoked in total sales. The PS1 was the perfect combination of price, performance and game catalog.

You are right. The PS1 was a great balance. In regards to the N64 though, they launched significantly later (a YEAR AND A HALF!), after the PS1 had already established a sizable foothold with customers and more importantly - developers. Also, N64 games were damn expensive.

Edit: Also, PS1 could do full-motion video, which was a freakin' hot technology at the time.
N64, limited by cart sizes, had a lot of trouble with FMV. Developers who used lots of it had to pay for more expensive carts with more ROM.

[Gorvi]

Well, it worked for the PS3 compared to the Xbox, right? Came out later at a higher price point. How about the PSP in North America? It came out 4 months later at a higher price point.

Seems like Sony's MO.

I agree with you completely though... and hope they've learned from their previous efforts.
They're in a much different position these days, they're not the major dominant player anymore, things are much more evenly spread. Hopefully they've learned from their mistakes, but only time will tell.

I'd love to see the PSP2 and 3DS both be incredibly successful, the stronger the competition the more we all benefit.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Sega's problems were far beyond just the price. If you recall the N64 was much cheaper than the PS1 and it still got smoked in total sales. The PS1 was the perfect combination of price, performance and game catalog.

Actually, the silver bullet was that cartridges were incredibly expensive, while discs were cheap. Nintendo said goodbye to all of their development support.

[burger]

Actually, the silver bullet was that cartridges were incredibly expensive, while discs were cheap. Nintendo said goodbye to all of their development support.

yeah...I guess the overall point is that console price or launch date alone doesn't indicate the viability of a platform. We've seen examples where more expensive hardware has won or those who are aren't first out of the gate have won.

It would seem fair to say that it take many things to win or lose the console war.

[JayVe]

yeah...I guess the overall point is that console price or launch date alone doesn't indicate the viability of a platform. We've seen examples where more expensive hardware has won or those who are aren't first out of the gate have won.

It would seem fair to say that it take many things to win or lose the console war.

Yep! There are lots of variables, but chasing the holy grail of graphics isn't the way to success. The most powerful console, handheld or home system, has never been the most popular.

If history serves as a guide, producing a system that is more graphically powerful than the competition is a way to help ensure you won't be #1 in worldwide sales.

[burger]

Seems like a very reasonable statement...I don't recall any generation being won by the most powerful system (in terms of graphics).

Even going back to the Atari 2600 this was true.

[Hawkzombie]

Yet a lot of people here are willing to drop $350 on a 3DS...

Not me. I'm waiting a bit for the eventual Nintendo Price drop as they've made enough money to sell the things for 5 bucks at a profit after the first year :p

And I've always been very happy with the games for NDS. PSP? Not so much...the good ones are few and far inbetween.

[Gorvi]

And I've always been very happy with the games for NDS. PSP? Not so much...the good ones are few and far inbetween.
I know it's a matter of taste in some respects, but if you look at the last 2 years (2009, 2010) I'd say the PSP has pulled ahead in the number of quality releases. I don't think it's so much that the PSP output has increased drastically as it is that the DS output has slowed down significantly.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I know it's a matter of taste in some respects, but if you look at the last 2 years (2009, 2010) I'd say the PSP has pulled ahead in the number of quality releases. I don't think it's so much that the PSP output has increased drastically as it is that the DS output has slowed down significantly.

I would agree that DS quality has had a downturn (I suspect that market crowding makes it hard for quality titles to get their fair shake). I would note, however, that a large part of the PSP's recent success has been Strategy (not all of it, by any means), and fans of the genre are going to be a lot happier than most.

edit: Also, I can play the Professor Layton card to win any argument I chose. :)

double edit: Looking at Metacritic (I know, I know), the DS seems to have the edge in terms of games in the 7.5+ range, by a decent (but not huge) margin. So again, it's mostly about what you're looking for. I love the DS because you can actually release a blasted 2D game on it and not have the public ignore it.

[JayVe]

The last game I got for my DS was Dragon Quest.

It didn't help that Nintendo announced the 3DS so early. I've been putting my gaming funds into the 3DS jar for a while now.

[Generation ABXY]

The last game I got for my DS was Dragon Quest.

It didn't help that Nintendo announced the 3DS so early. I've been putting my gaming funds into the 3DS jar for a while now.

Likewise. I'll still buy my Layton games (and probably Pokemon B&W) religiously, but I've tried to keep a mind towards the future.

Price is probably the most important bit of info I'm looking for, come Wednesday.

EDIT: Wow, forgot what thread this was, for a minute. O_o

[quidmonkey]

So if it's as powerful as the PS3, and a PS3 costs $300, I can't see this being less than $450. And what kind of battery is going to run that thing?

[burger]

So if it's as powerful as the PS3, and a PS3 costs $300, I can't see this being less than $450. And what kind of battery is going to run that thing?

That's some interesting connecting of the dots there :p

[quidmonkey]

That's some interesting connecting of the dots there :p

Care to add your own dots then?

[Chris_D]

Think PSP versus PS2. If you hook the PSP up to a TV it really doesn't look so hot. But in the context of the PSP's much smaller screen it looks about as good as a PS2, at least on some games. Anyway, the whole as powerful as a PS3 is probably a slight exaggeration.

[burger]

Care to add your own dots then?

You might have the price nailed down but your reasoning behind it is weak in my opinion.

I'd be curious to know what made you go "Ps3 is $300....I'll add $150 to that...yep, price of the PSP2 is gonna be $450".

Where did the $150 come from? Why not $140? Why not $100? Why not the same price?

The PS3 is a console...it has a HD, a BluRay player, a controller and a whole slew of other components not found on a handheld. On the flip side a handheld has a screen. Is it a wash between those parts? Is the screen more? Is Sony using a processor as spendy to make as the Cell? How much are they going to eat on the cost of the whole thing?

There are countless questions and variables. $450 came off as a random guess especially when you simply based it off of the performance level.

[Xerxes]

I'd pay about $400 for my mental version of the Psp2 and it wouldn't even give blow jobs. Knowing Sony, I'd probably wait until whatever device his $250 before even considering it.

[Chris_D]

I'd definitely pay more than $400 if it gave blow jobs.

[MagGnome]

$450 if it swallowed.

[JayVe]

Depends on the quality of the blow job.

Some suck, and some SUCK!

[burger]

If it swallows AND doesn't ask annoying questions during movies I'll buy 2 and pay whatever.

[MagGnome]

Shut up, burger, or I might start liking you. :p

[quidmonkey]

You might have the price nailed down but your reasoning behind it is weak in my opinion.

I'd be curious to know what made you go "Ps3 is $300....I'll add $150 to that...yep, price of the PSP2 is gonna be $450".

Where did the $150 come from? Why not $140? Why not $100? Why not the same price?

The PS3 is a console...it has a HD, a BluRay player, a controller and a whole slew of other components not found on a handheld. On the flip side a handheld has a screen. Is it a wash between those parts? Is the screen more? Is Sony using a processor as spendy to make as the Cell? How much are they going to eat on the cost of the whole thing?

There are countless questions and variables. $450 came off as a random guess especially when you simply based it off of the performance level.

It's a shot in the dark, but I offered no reasoning. Seems strange that you would point that out, as it's only stating the obvious. If you're gonna come out firing, at least offer some reasoning. Otherwise, your guess is as good as mine.

To the LCD you need to add in battery and component size. Shrinking a PS3 will make up the bulk of its added cost. Will it have additional hardware like accelerometer, gyroscope, touchscreen, camera and mic?

[Gorvi]

I think people are misinterpreting the whole "as powerful as a PS3" thing. I think it's much more likely that it will be comparable for it's size, like how the PSP was comparable to a PS2. I highly doubt they mean the actual processing power will be on par with a PS3, that would be rather insane.

[burger]

It's a shot in the dark, but I offered no reasoning. Seems strange that you would point that out, as it's only stating the obvious. If you're gonna come out firing, at least offer some reasoning. Otherwise, your guess is as good as mine.

To the LCD you need to add in battery and component size. Shrinking a PS3 will make up the bulk of its added cost. Will it have additional hardware like accelerometer, gyroscope, touchscreen, camera and mic?

It's probably not a coincidence that I called you out for making up a number and also didn't provide one of my own.

That would be called being "hypocritical". :p

[JayVe]

Will PSP 2 have a touch screen?

[Xerxes]

I think so. I don't know where but I also heard the back is going to be touch sensitive. O_o

[Chris_D]

The back will essentially behave like a touch pad. At least from what I've heard. Sounds interesting.

[muddi900]

Trackpad on the back would be better than a second analog nub.

[RandoM51]

I don't know why there is even going to be a PSP2 or a 3DS, at least in the US market. PSP2 will fail horribly, 3DS might make it thanks to the huge DS library. The market for the dedicated handheld gaming device is slowly but surely being swallowed by hybrid devices that perform practical tasks and happen to be decent game platforms on top of it.

My nieces and nephews have ipod touches nowadays, their DSs are gathering dust in a drawer somewhere.

The DS Lite has a pricepoint that can compete favorably with those hybrid devices, particularly when you're going to put it into the hands of a child---knowing that it will get broken/destroyed/lost. I suspect the PSP2 and 3DS will have much higher pricepoints.

[muddi900]

Considering an ipod touch 32GB(the only one that matters) is 300 bucks, I don't know what your argument is?

[Xerxes]

Probably those $1 games. I just have no interest in iphone gaming. Maybe it's cause I never really tried them but it wouldn't matter.

[muddi900]

Oh I am part of the iphone contingent, but it can't really beat nintendo. I do think that capacitive touchscreens are the only way to play shmups now. See the Espgaluda 2 on consoles vs iphone.

[Xerxes]

I also think a PSP2 done right could be a huge hybrid device, but without cell phone capability. I'm sorry, I change phones too often to want my gaming device tied to it.

Trackpad on the back would be better than a second analog nub.
But both would be divine. :)

[RandoM51]

Considering an ipod touch 32GB(the only one that matters) is 300 bucks, I don't know what your argument is?

Does more.
Already exists.
Doesn't make you look like a nerd.
Integrated app store that works.
$229 pricepoint (don't know why you used the 32GB price when all you get is more space)

The only thing the psp2 and the 3ds will have going for them is exclusives. People really into gaming will buy them for that, budget allowing, but what about the rest of the market? The rest of the market who can spend $4.99 while sitting on their couch and be playing Plants vs. Zombies---just an example---on their Touch 5 minutes later?

[JayVe]

Does more.
Already exists.
Doesn't make you look like a nerd.
Integrated app store that works.
$229 pricepoint (don't know why you used the 32GB price when all you get is more space)

Does not have a 3D screen

Say whatever you want. 3D without glasses is going to be fucking huge. Other devices are going to be playing catch-up for years as the tech becomes commonplace.

[RandoM51]

I'll believe that when it actually happens... and maybe not even then.

[JayVe]

I'll believe that when it actually happens... and maybe not even then.

You are starting to sound like Evil Avatar himself.

[RandoM51]

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. :)

I don't think any of the enthusiast media are willing to even remotely doubt 3D or the 3DS. They doubted waggle and the Wii and look where that got them?

If 3D is so great why is there a slider to turn it off? Must be a downside to having it turned on, perhaps battery drain? The posted specs for 3D battery life are 3-5 hours, which I read as ~2 based upon decades of experience with how marketing departments measure battery life. Two hours is probably enough for most people but will be a fairly large bullet point in the negative column for anybody considering alternatives.

The biggest draw I've seen is the software support they seem to have lined up. Looks fairly impressive. It will be interesting to see what the people who said, "I don't want to just play ps2 games on my PSP." have to say about it. Same situation, different platform holder. :)

I think Nintendo is underestimating how important pricepoint of hardware and software was to their success vs. the PSP. Two screens didn't make the DS a success, nor did a touchscreen. Cheap hardware and cheap software made it something almost everybody could buy even if all they ever intended to play was new super mario brothers. They're tossing out their strongest weapon in a market where they'll be faced with more competitors than ever before. Maybe they hired Kutaragi when we weren't looking?

Eh, this is a psp2 thread, sorry for the 3DS derail.

[Gorvi]

Does not have a 3D screen

Say whatever you want. 3D without glasses is going to be fucking huge. Other devices are going to be playing catch-up for years as the tech becomes commonplace.
It's incredibly funny how 3D was widely considered a gimmick that added absolutely nothing to gaming and was a waste of time. Until the 3DS was announced, that is. Then it was awesome. And I don't think that "no glasses" is remotely enough to justify that flip flop.

[MagGnome]

I'm with Random, for the most part. I don't think that the 3DS and PSP2 will be complete flops, but I would be surprised if either was as successful as their predecessors. The market has changed significantly in the last few years. I, for one, am not interested in carrying around another device when I already have an iPod for music and an Android phone for everything else. I only have so many pockets/space in my bag, and there isn't room for a third device, no matter if it's 3D or not.

[J Arcane]

I pretty much stopped carrying a handheld once I had a proper smartphone.

I just don't have that many pockets. And both handhelds are fuckin' huge compared to an Android or an iPhone.

Game Dev Story is my mobile gaming fix now. I've considered switching to iPhone a few times for a wider selection. It seems to be where all the games go.

It's like I said in another thread: If I'm a developer, which am I gonna make games for, the one with the free dev kit and the insanely huge cross-market install base, or the one with an expensive as shit dev kit, and an install base that consists mostly of pre-teens?

Even the mainstream developers are starting to clue into this.

[muddi900]

Well, I think the 3DS killer app is not the 3D, but the pedometer. There will be a game that will reward you for walking. It would be like Brain Age. And all the naysayers would go :eek:

[Chris_D]

The use of 3D during commute is still questionable I think. How comfortable will it be on a moving train, where most 3DSs will be played (in Japan)?

[MagGnome]

Well, I think the 3DS killer app is not the 3D, but the pedometer. There will be a game that will reward you for walking. It would be like Brain Age. And all the naysayers would go :eek:

The pedometer is going to be the selling point of the 3DS? I'd be shocked if that were the case. :p

It would have been hilarious if they called the the PedoDS. :D

[JayVe]

Portable, glassesless 3D is here to stay. I'm calling it. Not just for gaming, but for almost everything with an LCD screen under 10 inches.

This is just the start folks.

Edit: Although, I doubt this will be the tech we will all be using in the future (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uef17zOCDb8&feature=player_embedded#at=100)... but I could be wrong. :-D

[muddi900]

The pedometer is going to be the selling point of the 3DS? I'd be shocked if that were the case. :p

It would have been hilarious if they called the the PedoDS. :D

What did you think when they released Brain Age?