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Doogie2K
12-10-2010, 11:57 PM
Flash back to last week. I'm using ConvertXtoDVD to make some discs for my family (we missed a lot of TV shows due to my mom being in Ontario for seven weeks), and trying to start up WMC to watch movies on the Xbox. Now, Convert had been done for some time, so I closed it while WMC was opening. Convert freezes. I try to close, blue screen. I hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, and all hell breaks loose.

Neither Convert or WMC will open, citing busted DLLs. I ultimately learn that DirectX is fucked, so I try reinstalling. Won't go; says files are corrupt. Try doing a Restore to three or four days earlier. Won't go; says files are corrupt. Try doing a hard drive scan. Rebuilds the file system. Rad. Try Restore again. Won't go; says files are corrupt. Run a deep scan with WD and Seagate drive tools overnight. Nothing. What the fuck.

So I restore the hard drive image I made a few weeks back. Bingo, everything works again. Except, when I boot, I have one of three scenarios:

1) Everything works fine.
2) It detects the hard drives fine, hangs for a while, then tries and fails to load Windows (I sit on the Loading Windows screen without any shiny coloured lights morphing into the Windows logo).
3) It won't even fucking detect my hard drives.

The typical scenario seems to be 3-2-1, in that order, though sometimes I'll get 2-1, 3-2-3-1, and other combinations thereof (one time, it detected Channel 0 but not Channel 1, so my external and DVD didn't load), and when I try to shut down, it will randomly hang on shutdown, much like it did on my old computer, which I later established to be incompatible with Windows 7. Now, clearly, there's nothing wrong with Windows 7 on my computer, because it's worked fine for about a year now. But I am beginning to wonder if there's a problem with my hard drive controller. It seems like a clear hard-drive-related problem (oh, and I also sometimes get random hard-drive activity well beyond normal Windows operation), but there's nothing wrong with the discs, so the controller seems to be the next logical option. Is there anything else you can think of that would cause this?

Oh, and also, when I ran the Steam update on my AMD drivers, I now randomly experience flickering in the screen. It'll just flick to something else for maybe a tenth of a second at random intervals every few minutes while in Windows. Nothing in games, though. Dunno if that's just a problem with the Steam AMD drivers or indicative of a larger motherboard problem, since the video card is fresh from the manufacturer. Or if I'm just being imaginative.

biosc1
12-11-2010, 01:05 AM
Swap HDD cables? Granted, it's rare, but I have had one set of IDE cables go bad on me in my life. Never had a SATA cable go bad, but I'm sure it's possible.

May even try a different power cable from your PSU...could be something wrong with that extension.

roboninja
12-11-2010, 08:03 AM
Cabling is a good thing to try, but it might just be your SATA controller or port on the motherboard. Maybe try switching your optical drive to that SATA port and see if it works?

Yes, I am assuming you have SATA with Win7. ;)

LiquidRain
12-11-2010, 08:53 AM
You have to eliminate potential possibilities one by one to narrow down which part is the offender.

Run SMART to see if it's one of the disks or not. (CrystalDisk Info is best (http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskInfo/index-e.html)) While SMART isn't 100% effective, it can act as an early warning sign.

If that turns up nothing, then maybe it's the controller/motherboard. Try googling around for your PC/motherboard's particular issue to see if anyone else has been suffering. If it's a brand name PC (e.g. Dell) suck it up and call Tech Support.

TrackZero
12-11-2010, 09:02 AM
Yeah, I just went through something similar. Seemed like windows wouldn't boot off my SSD, would lock up, then started blue screening later. Long story short, I had to break down every possibility one at a time to figure it out. I also started out with the mistaken idea that the issue was with my SSD.

Guess what it was? My 500GB HDD on the same internal SATA bus was going crazy, fucking the SSD up (which after my multiple shutdowns in the middle of these freakouts, corrupted my win7 profile, etc). Thankfully the only thing I lost through this ordeal was my firefox profile and a 500GB (full of shit though I didn't care about losing) drive.

At any rate, follow what Liquid advised.

Doogie2K
12-11-2010, 10:29 AM
Alright, I'm gonna write all this stuff down and work on it over the next three or four days (I'm also studying for finals), then I'll report back. Thanks, guys. :)

Doogie2K
02-05-2011, 04:56 PM
Holy thread necro, Batman! Anyway, I think everything's sorted now.

Skipping over a bunch of tests I ran (all negative), turns out my experience is similar to TrackZero's. Found after a while that my eSATA external either stopped showing up or giving me errors when I booted, so I pulled the plug on it and gave it to a friend of mine over New Year's. Problem solved; everything works peachy now. Couple of weeks ago, he finally found an hour to take a gander at it, and found that both the main and backup master file table were goatfucked. He thinks he was able to recover the backup images (clean Win7 installs, stuff like that) that were on it, though we still need to test that, but in the meantime, he is reformatting and repartitioning the whole shebang.

After talking to him about it, it seems that the problems with that HDD all started when a partition move froze on me and I aborted it halfway through...oh, about a year and a half ago. I wound up with a bunch of corrupted files, which I either deleted or redownloaded (mostly pirated games; I told my friend not to worry about them when reformatting the HDD, because there were only a couple that I hadn't since bought on Steam), but everything seemed to be hunky dory. Yet, not long after, I started having bootup problems on my old computer. They went away when I switched to my new computer, but after a few months, the problem I described above kicked in.

I don't know if the entire issue is actually all due to that, but hopefully with a rebuilt partition system, that HDD should finally stop giving me minor hassles. Certainly, my other HDDs don't seem to be now that I've restored my Win7 drive.

LiquidRain
02-05-2011, 11:18 PM
You stopped a partition move halfway through and never suspected that could have been the issue?

Dude. :)

resikel
02-05-2011, 11:42 PM
You stopped a partition move halfway through and never suspected that could have been the issue?

Dude. :)

http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/5583495/Partition-move-froze-Its-still-good-bro.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Scumbag-Steve

Doogie2K
02-14-2011, 07:43 AM
You stopped a partition move halfway through and never suspected that could have been the issue?

Dude. :)

To be fair, I had done it like three years ago. I forgot. Besides, everything seemed to be fine. :o

Now, sometimes my hard drive light still goes psycho on me for no apparent reason (and there are in fact operations going on, to the point where I actually noticed a framerate dip in a video I was watching off one of my HDDs). Dunno if that's just Windows being Windows or if there's still something else latent waiting to spring itself upon me.