Call of Duty : Black Ops [Archive]

Drayven

11-10-2010, 08:32 AM

Yesterday was alot of fun. The game seems pretty solid so far but it's hard to tell if it's the game or just that I'm excited to have a fully party of people playing something again. The matchmaking still seemed a bit flakey and we had some drops when joining as a party and such. However, it seems like if you join a match on a friend, even if you're not in their CoD party, it will try to keep you on their team from match to match. This means that once you get a good number of people in a room you don't have to keep dropping out to pick up newcomers.

I think the cash system is interesting and like the idea of customized player cards and guns and such. We did however already run into one guy who had his icon as a horse fucking a pig. And I believe I heard there were 2 dinosaurs going at it at one point too. I do wish I had the option to use attachments for for like 10-15 minutes of game time as a trial before I plop the cash down on them.

BigJonno

11-10-2010, 08:35 AM

I played some split screen 2v2 deathmatch and zombie mode last night. I had a lot of fun with it, I like the weapon selection and time period more than either WW2 or modern day stuff.

burger

11-10-2010, 08:44 AM

I'm probably close to halfway done. It's solid for sure BUT you can always tell a Treyarch game from an Infinity Ward one. Treyarch's concept of difficulty is night and day from IW's. Let's put it this way...I've beaten CoD 1,2,4 and 6 on Veteran. What do they all have in common? They weren't made by Treyarch. ;)

Like CoD 3 and 5, Black Ops has too many sequences that involve never ending floods of bad guys that endless spawn until you manage to move two feet forward to some trigger point. It's incredibly annoying and cheap and this is only on regular mode. I'm having flashbacks to CoD5 when I will be surrounded by teammates but then I will die all of a sudden and then it shows an NVA soldier literally one foot behind me...where the heck were my teammates??? It's cheap things like that that prevent any of the Treyarch games from having the gameplay polish of an IW title. They tend to use cheapness over AI or strategy.

Don't get me wrong...I'm dying to get home to play more...the story is solid....love the variety of locations....love the inclusion of Sam Worthington.

I would say the one glaring omission is music...after MW2's use of Hans Zimmer this one sounds a bit generic.

Karak

11-10-2010, 08:46 AM

I love the story and am enjoying the voice actors. Holy shit.
Had a blast last night. Nothing is perfect, and that is how I am taking the game.

I will say the Russian Prison...that was a bit mentally hard to take with the way it looked and that first moment when hearing the cries and screams. Dirty and nasty.
In fact the entire game is dirty haahaha. Which I enjoy.

Karak

11-10-2010, 08:47 AM

You know, considering that 3/4ths of my friends list was playing CoD:BO yesterday, I'm in shock that there's no "official" thread here on it.

What are you all thinking? Good? Bad? Is it going to have staying power? I'm missing playing with the old Modern Warfare folks, but at the same time, kinda hesitant to pick up a game that might only be touched for a week (as it seemed MW2 was).

I thought back and forth about making an Official Thread. But they ALWAYS devolve into a nerd war so I didn't.
I just decided to play the game and enjoy it:) So thanks to you for making a thread.

I like it.

Uatu

11-10-2010, 09:02 AM

PC version here. The Cold War era makes for some awesome set pieces in the campaign. I would say it isn't quite as good as the MW2 campaign, but better than MW1 by a long shot.

Multiplayer is fantastic. Again, the 60s backdrop is awesome as far as levels, weapons, and forces. I have always felt Treyarch made better multipalyer maps, and this continues the trend in my opinion.

Zombies is still fun, with asome new stuff to keep it interesting.

Looking forward to do some Spec Ops.

Inspector Fowler

11-10-2010, 09:04 AM

To be honest, I was thinking about making one too, but the general attitude here sometimes feels like, "if it's popular we'll hassle you for liking it" so I wasn't going to.

But then I got online and my only two friends online were CoGgers playing Black Ops.

I played one multiplayer round, and it was fun.

wyeast

11-10-2010, 09:06 AM

The matchmaking still seemed a bit flakey and we had some drops when joining as a party and such.

This is the part I'm waiting to see about. I want to know if they've been able to rectify MW2's problem with this before I shell out the bones. :( Even more important than worrying about the Hax. If I can stay with my friends and bail to another match, it's all good.

Uatu

11-10-2010, 09:13 AM

To be honest, I was thinking about making one too, but the general attitude here sometimes feels like, "if it's popular we'll hassle you for liking it" so I wasn't going to.

Fuck the vocal minority.

Karak

11-10-2010, 09:19 AM

Fuck the vocal minority.

I would rather not fuck them myself.
But I would like to do something to turn off their constant static.

Back on topic.
I really am loving it. MP wasn't bad at all. I can't see how the purchase program is going to develop as I gain levels. I am sort of wondering how it will balance but its pretty damn cool.

Oh PC and 360 here.

Inspector Fowler

11-10-2010, 09:37 AM

Goronmon

11-10-2010, 09:51 AM

I'm probably close to halfway done. It's solid for sure BUT you can always tell a Treyarch game fro
Treyarch's concept of difficulty is night and day from IW's. Let's put it this way...I've beaten CoD 1,2,4 and 6 on Veteran. What do they all have in common? They weren't made by Treyarch. ;)
Tell me about it. I'm going through my playthrough on Veteran. Damn Treyarch knows how to make you miserable. Even the checkpoints are annoying, with many coming right before a small cutscene. Not to mention they seem to take the approach of the harder the section of the game, the fewer checkpoints there are to save progress.

The most annoying part for me was when you were jumping around the rooftops with the Russian guy and at the end you have to fight off some guys with just your pistol. Damn that part was frustrating as you are stuck prone, with one gun and about a dozen guys coming from both the front and back. Took me over 50 tries to survive long enough for the van to kill off everyone.

roboninja

11-10-2010, 09:54 AM

Dukefrukem

11-10-2010, 10:04 AM

Drayven

11-10-2010, 10:05 AM

I guess I'm less excited about the purchase system now that I understand it.

You still have to hit a certain level before you unlock a gun, and then you need the cash to buy it. Obviously the benefit is that you didn't spend any cash on the previous guns, so maybe you'll be able to buy this one and equip it or whatever.

But I don't really see how that's any different than, "Hit level 21, here is a new gun".

I was hoping that I could literally buy any weapon in the game if I had the cash saved up.

Well you still have to hit certain levels to unlock the gun itself but not the attachements. As I recall in previous games you couldn't get certain upgrades for guns until you got X kills, but there were guns that were horrible without an increased rate of fire or red dot site or whatever. Now when you unlock the gun you can buy the attachements you want, if you have the cash.

Sly Marbo

11-10-2010, 10:11 AM

burger

11-10-2010, 10:11 AM

COD is what is wrong with the video game industry and if people keep buying these games like sheep we'll never see anything radically new and interesting.

As someone who has THOROUGHLY enjoyed all 6 of them what exactly is wrong with them?

I usually make similar statements about guys like Michael Bay and how he represents all that is wrong with cinema and that the suckers who buy his tickets are sheep.

I for one would like to know if I'm the gaming equivalent of a Transformers 2 viewer. Maybe there's hope for me...but I think you need to enlighten me first as to what I'm missing. Blow my perspective out of the water....shatter my reality. Make the house of cards that is my gaming taste crumble to the ground.

Drayven

11-10-2010, 10:16 AM

COD is what is wrong with the video game industry and if people keep buying these games like sheep we'll never see anything radically new and interesting.

Arent' you one of the people that put down money on a game that never came out? :P CoD is a fun time shooting dudes in the face. MW2 had glitches that the developers couldn't/wouldn't fix and that's what killed it I don't think it was the game itself.

Khrymsyn

11-10-2010, 10:16 AM

COD is what is wrong with the video game industry and if people keep buying these games like sheep we'll never see anything radically new and interesting.

Who the fuck are you to tell me how to spend my money/time?

And here comes the Nerd War Karak was referring to.

Guys, please. Let's just talk about the game itself, and not the politics behind the game companies and crap, k?

Karak

11-10-2010, 10:38 AM

And here comes the Nerd War Karak was referring to.

Guys, please. Let's just talk about the game itself, and not the politics behind the game companies and crap, k?

Sigh...
Ya.
Anyway. I hope you guys are having a great time in the game. I know I am. See some of you online for sure.

Dukefrukem

11-10-2010, 10:55 AM

As someone who has THOROUGHLY enjoyed all 6 of them what exactly is wrong with them?

I usually make similar statements about guys like Michael Bay and how he represents all that is wrong with cinema and that the suckers who buy his tickets are sheep.

I for one would like to know if I'm the gaming equivalent of a Transformers 2 viewer. Maybe there's hope for me...but I think you need to enlighten me first as to what I'm missing. Blow my perspective out of the water....shatter my reality. Make the house of cards that is my gaming taste crumble to the ground.

You pretty much nailed it (great analogy btw). The whole COD franchise is based around mindless shooting. Nothing thought provoking, nothing we haven't seen before... just change the time period, add some new guns, slap on a new suffixed title and put a $60 price tag on it. A spammy unoriginal clusterfuck. But people keep throwing money at these studios so they'll keep pumping them out. (think Saw franchise) I wonder what war they're gonna copy next year. It's the same thing... year after year of minor adjustments and zombie mods. I don't know why people aren't just still playing COD4 Modern Warfare. I'm so tired of Shooters like this; throw them all in the mix. Medal of Honor, Battlefield etc....

I used the word sheep because it's hard for me to understand why this type of game keeps appealing to the masses. What draws you to wanting to spend more money on the same god damn game? It's not for the SP campaign and It's hardly an unsuccessful franchise. The only thing I can think of is modern shooters is your "thing" and you don't want games that are long or require a great deal of effort/thought. People want games they can jump in and out of. Or maybe these games are just appealing to the younger gamer and it's the first "violent" video game and the reason they spring for COD is the COD name is so well known.

burger

11-10-2010, 11:04 AM

First off I think the CoD games are well made and are addictive for a reason...secondly I don't think liking CoD is mutually exclusive with liking other genres or franchises.

Karak

11-10-2010, 11:11 AM

I used the word sheep because it's hard for me to understand why this type of game keeps appealing to the masses. What draws you to wanting to spend more money on the same god damn game? It's not for the SP campaign and It's hardly an unsuccessful franchise.

100% singleplayer love for me. Since they are not the same game and are in different locations with different characters, environments and occurrences.

Your difficulty in understanding it really shouldn't be there. People like something you do not. Why react so vehemently?

Dukefrukem

11-10-2010, 11:12 AM

100% singleplayer love for me. Since they are not the same game and are in different locations with different characters, environments and occurrences.

Your difficulty in understanding it really shouldn't be there. People like something you do not. Why react so vehemently?

Because I'm stubborn and arrogant. I don't buy the simple answers as answers to my questions.

burger

11-10-2010, 11:14 AM

100% singleplayer love for me.

I agree...I only play CoD for SP.

CoD didn't even have MP worth talking about until the original Modern Warfare. I think it's funny that some people think CoD is an MP franchise. It's been all about the SP since the original. I think only MW and MW2 had an MP that was any good and I still only played them for like an hour or two.

Karak

11-10-2010, 11:17 AM

Because I'm stubborn and arrogant. I don't buy the simple answers as answers to my questions.

:)
Than my reason is...I buy games by taking in the lunar cycle and how it impacts the mostly female office around me. If they are pissy I want to shoot things in a new environment each time:)

Panthera

11-10-2010, 11:26 AM

I'm always amused to hear people talk about Call of Duty's single player as so flawed and derivative. The first game was a revelation compared to Medal of Honor and other shooters that came before.

Jason

11-10-2010, 11:39 AM

COD games can be fun. The only problem I have with them are the glitchers and campers in the multiplayer. I might end up picking this up next year.

This is the shooter I'm most looking forward to right now.
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Goronmon

11-10-2010, 11:41 AM

Because I'm stubborn and arrogant. I don't buy the simple answers as answers to my questions.
For me it comes down to predictability. I play very many shooters and there are plenty of disappointing ones out there. I can generally count on CoD games giving me an enjoyable single player experience along with solid multiplayer. Plus, playing on Veteran scratches that itch from my older gaming days when games were frustrating and cheap.

wyeast

11-10-2010, 12:04 PM

I agree...I only play CoD for SP.

CoD didn't even have MP worth talking about until the original Modern Warfare. I think it's funny that some people think CoD is an MP franchise. It's been all about the SP since the original. I think only MW and MW2 had an MP that was any good and I still only played them for like an hour or two.

Not me. I still remember the disaster that was CoD2's MP that went on for god knows how long before they finally got around to patching it. That's all I could think of when MW2 was going the same route. :mad:

Drayven

11-10-2010, 12:05 PM

CoD didn't even have MP worth talking about until the original Modern Warfare.

Whaaaa? I played so much CoD multiplayer back in the day. I seem to recall it being quite popular.

wyeast

11-10-2010, 12:10 PM

CoD3's MP was ok, but CoD4's was colossal by comparison.

Drayven

11-10-2010, 12:15 PM

I was actually thinking of CoD and CoD2 and United Offensive :P

Khrymsyn

11-10-2010, 12:29 PM

You pretty much nailed it (great analogy btw). The whole COD franchise is based around mindless shooting. Nothing thought provoking,

And a game based upon one liners and getting digitized chicks to dance by flinging money at them was thought provoking?
Awesome how you feel ok to talk down maturity level of the people who might play CoD when you're entire persona online (avatar, name, gamertags) is based upon one of the most immature characters of all time.
But please, don't let THAT stop you from trying to take a high ground. -insert rollseyes smiley here-

burger

11-10-2010, 12:32 PM

Not me. I still remember the disaster that was CoD2's MP that went on for god knows how long before they finally got around to patching it. That's all I could think of when MW2 was going the same route. :mad:

You're disagreeing with me but then you point out how bad CoD2's MP was...I'm so confused!

Whaaaa? I played so much CoD multiplayer back in the day. I seem to recall it being quite popular.

The original games didn't even register compared to the popularity of other MP at the time. I'm not saying no one liked it...I just meant that far more people bought CoD1 and 2 for the SP. Now adays a lot of people rushed out and bought MW2 solely for the MP.

And a game based upon one liners and getting digitized chicks to dance by flinging money at them was thought provoking?
Awesome how you feel ok to talk down maturity level of the people who might play CoD when you're entire persona online (avatar, name, gamertags) is based upon one of the most immature characters of all time.
But please, don't let THAT stop you from trying to take a high ground. -insert rollseyes smiley here-

I was thinking the same thing when I saw his avatar

Exodus

11-10-2010, 12:43 PM

Wow...I'm sorry Karak. I'm to blame for this kind of stuff too.

Khrymsyn

11-10-2010, 12:50 PM

Wow...I'm sorry Karak. I'm to blame for this kind of stuff too.

It happens Exodus. No matter what the topic is, whether books, movies, games, whatever... On the internet, there's always people who express what they like, and others who have a desire to shit on them. It always amazes me that people on the internet seem to forget the difference between a conversation involving "I disagree" and "You're a fucktard because you're wrong".

Oh well.
For those who WEREN'T trying to prove their superiority, thanks for the responses so far. =) My girlfriend was completely in shock yesterday when I didn't come home with the game, so I had to ask. haha.

Drayven

11-10-2010, 12:52 PM

You should get it Khrymsyn, we need more in the party!

wyeast

11-10-2010, 01:08 PM

You're disagreeing with me but then you point out how bad CoD2's MP was...I'm so confused!
Sorry, my "not me" was specifically directed where you said "some people think CoD is an MP franchise". I was agreeing with you that CoD wasn't always about MP, that it had it's stumbles and starts until CoD4. Before then it was just like any other shooter. Not until MW, did it leap out of the gates and it seemed like everyone and their grandmother had something to say about it.

But like any franchise, it evolved, and once CoD4 came out everyone came to expect a stellar MP experience, with the SP having to share the limelight. Unlike a lot of people I actually enjoyed WaW because of the co-op campaign. It helped blunt the "OMGZERG" feeling of the AI by being able to actually work with teammates in advancing on the enemy.

Then they just had to go and ruin the ride (for me, I understand a lot of people out there didn't experience the same disappointing issues I did) with MW2 by breaking the party system and introduce their "vision" of campaign being solo only. It just felt like taking a step backwards. One that was hugely unexpected for a foaming-at-the-mouth fanboy who ditched work to pick up his copy at Best Buy on launch day. :o

I really hope Black Ops lives up to the hype. I really do. I miss playing CoD4 with the Coggies. But now I'm a lot more cautious. And they only have themselves to thank for that one. :(

Orca

11-10-2010, 01:08 PM

I would rather not fuck them myself.
But I would like to do something to turn off their constant static.

I wonder why people who have no interest at all in a game have to be so active in threads devoted solely to that game. Can't this place have some basic rules about not being a douchebag?

Anyone coming into a thread to say that a game (that they haven't played) sucks and that anyone who bought it is a sheep seems like the kind of thing that's just noise, not communication.

burger

11-10-2010, 01:09 PM

I am no longer confused! ;)

Vandabo

11-10-2010, 01:10 PM

I never played any of World at War's singleplayer, but I've played the absolute shit out of the multi. It kind of took the place of Day of Defeat for me, as a great WW2 multiplayer FPS. I might get this on PC for multi as well, as I just really like the way these games usually play online. Does this one have a similar "Hardcore" mode that takes away the HUD and lower your health?

Shjinta

11-10-2010, 01:12 PM

First off I think the CoD games are well made and are addictive for a reason...secondly I don't think liking CoD is mutually exclusive with liking other genres or franchises.

They are well made to a certain point. I just finished the SP portion for Black ops. It's amazing how all the CoD games suffer from the same fucking problems. Player Homing Grenades. Terrain proof Bullets. Really stupid AI. The list goes on.

I will say I enjoyed the SP from this game more than them all. What pisses me off though is the soundtrack.. God it's fucking awful. So much generic guitar riffs i had to turn the music off.

Anyways, The Bot option is fucking awesome. That's all i've been playing. What's cool is for PC(Not sure for consoles) It takes names off your steam friends list and assigns them to the bots. Can't wait for next week when I get 2 of my friends over to try it.

Vigil80

11-10-2010, 01:14 PM

I kind of want in on this. I liked MW. MW2 was fun for a couple weeks. I was going to pass on BlOps, but I'm tempted. I know I'll be just as pissed about the ludicrous knife kills, corner campers, and so on as I ever was inside of a couple days. But I'm sure the action is otherwise sharp, and I can't help but feel a tiny bit like I'm missing out.

Shjinta

11-10-2010, 01:20 PM

I kind of want in on this. I liked MW. MW2 was fun for a couple weeks. I was going to pass on BlOps, but I'm tempted. I know I'll be just as pissed about the ludicrous knife kills, corner campers, and so on as I ever was inside of a couple days. But I know the action is sharp, and I can't help but feel a tiny bit like I'm missing out.

Take a look at these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB_JX3mHkEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYVRTOg4BY&feature=player_embedded

Yeah Mp is fun :P

wyeast

11-10-2010, 01:36 PM

haha on the Ninja Gaiden reference! :D

Vigil80

11-10-2010, 01:43 PM

Take a look at these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB_JX3mHkEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYVRTOg4BY&feature=player_embedded

Yeah Mp is fun :P
Thanks for the encouragement, but both those vids made me kinda glad I'm not playing it. At least the gun game one seems like it would hopefully be less likely to happen in one of the standard game types. The other one was pure bullshit. :p

Uatu

11-10-2010, 02:21 PM

Zero

11-10-2010, 02:39 PM

I've just never really cared for the ones that weren't developed by Infinity Ward and I haven't seen anything about this one that would change my mind.

burger

11-10-2010, 02:40 PM

I've just never really cared for the ones that weren't developed by Infinity Ward and I haven't seen anything about this one that would change my mind.

So without even playing this one you think it's no better than CoD3 and WoW? What would you have needed to see in the trailers to tell you otherwise?

Zero

11-10-2010, 02:43 PM

The Infinity Ward logo. :cool:

Drayven

11-10-2010, 02:54 PM

I need to give hardcore a try although people are dying pretty easily in regular, I just wish there was friendly fire. The main problem I have with hardcore is that there's no domination or headquarters.

Crowe

11-10-2010, 03:29 PM

I'm loving it so far. The multiplayer feels sort of fresh because I skipped MW2. The single player has been great, a step above MW2 but about equal with MW1.

Telefrog

11-10-2010, 03:37 PM

Awesome game so far. The MP changes are great especially the killstreak stuff. The SP is a Michael Bay gun porn movie. I honestly don't understand what some people expect from this franchise. There have been 7 CoD games with the same SP blueprint.

It would be like buying a Madden game and complaining because the management aspect doesn't account for finances realistically.

Edit: Also, feel free to add me via Steam ID.

Yeti2005

11-10-2010, 07:43 PM

Anyone try out the 3D yet? Most of the review seems to say the framerate craps the bed (20fps) and it feels like your aiming in mud.

Karak

11-10-2010, 10:10 PM

I'm loving it so far. The multiplayer feels sort of fresh because I skipped MW2. The single player has been great, a step above MW2 but about equal with MW1.

Agreed. I am really digging the story and having a great time with it letting me unlock bits as I battle.

Crowe

11-10-2010, 10:41 PM

Cod 4 never had that Michael Bay feel for me. MW2 did though.

Crowe

11-10-2010, 10:50 PM

double post.

Exodus

11-10-2010, 11:00 PM

Inspector Fowler

11-11-2010, 02:19 AM

Exodus, that is how I've always felt about the CoD single player :)

Here I am, hiding behind a rock taking potshots, while my NPC buddies are unloading whole LMG's full of ammo on guys. Yet I somehow incur 90% of the fire, hiding behind my rock.

"Jesus, Sgt! They're fucking killing us! They've got three light machine guns trained on us."
"Get a grip, soldier. Kill that one guy behind that rock. The one who has fired 20 rounds in the last minute."
"Huh?"

:)

I don't necessarily want to totally derail the thread, but I feel I should elaborate on my previous comment.

In my world, art and entertainment are not compelled by the universe to occupy the same circle in the Venn Diagram.

Art, to me, is something that communicates - that interprets the world around the artist saw and sends it back via music, prose, poetry, etc. Something that says, "This is how I feel, this is what I saw, this is what I think." Whether or not you like it (I myself hate 99% of the poetry I see) is highly subjective - and that's natural - indeed, some artists thrive on the tendency of humans to interpret things very differently.

Entertainment, to quote Fits, "does what it says on the tin". If something entertains you, in whatever way you wanted it to - wowed you with big explosions, made you laugh, made you jump in your seat, etc, then it succeeds as entertainment. So if a video game was fun, and it did whatever you wanted it to, then it's a success. This process is equally subjective - I thought Paranormal Activity was a joke but I can barely watch some other movies alone.

So to say a game "doesn't move the industry forward" is a nonsense subject. If people have fun playing it, then it's a sucessful - game. Games are entertainment, which means you should have fun playing it. The industry doesn't have this compelling need to "move forward", "grow up", or "create compelling content".

The false dichotomy many people trumpet on the internet is that games will die if they stagnate - if we don't start cramming art and meaning into our games, the industry will fail. That's total, complete, and utter bullshit. Look at movies - the vast bulk of them are made to entertain you. And they follow the same formulas that their genres have been using for decades.

This doesn't stop movies like "Waltz With Bashir" from being made. And frankly, if movies like that were the bulk of movies, the industry would die a horrible death, because most people would not see them and the money would disappear.

So calling something "formulaic" or "predictable" or "a re-release of the same thing" just doesn't work. If you don't like it, you don't like it.

In other words - criticize a game on its merits - the controls, the graphics, the AI behavior, the multiplayer environment, the sound design, etc. Just because something is an iteration of a previous game doesn't mean it sucks.

If people are entertained by military shooters, then big deal. I personally think Final Fantasy games are the most boring, repetitive, non-sensical things I have ever laid eyes on. But I don't begrudge Square for cranking them out, nor do I look down on people who still want to play them.

Vigil80

11-11-2010, 02:52 AM

To be fair, calling something formulaic can absolutely be a legitimate criticism for why you don't like it, i.e. your FF example. It may not mean the industry is going to come crashing down, but saying nothing can/should ever be criticized for being too much of a reiteration is a bridge too far.

Having said that, there's enough improved in this particular game that I think I'm getting sucked in. Bot matches, replay saving and downloading, unlocking weapons and items in whatever order you wish, it's all stuff I remember wishing for back in the first Modern Warfare.

I think I'm going to buy it. My first impulse is to get it on PC, but I know I'm kidding myself; the signs point to the 360 being the platform of choice.

RandoM51

11-11-2010, 04:11 AM

Crowe

11-11-2010, 04:58 AM

I've been thinking about picking this up for the multiplayer. Back when MW came out the multiplayer only held my interest for a day or two. Back then I was still playing BF2 and MW gameplay felt like a dumbed-down version of BF2 playing the Karkand map over and over again.

Has the gameplay gotten any better, are the maps larger than postage stamps, are there any vehicles you can pilot?

I skipped Modern Warfare 2 and I can tell you honestly that the game feels no different from COD 4.

Apart from the new additons in perks and upgrades it feels exactly the same. The maps are as good but they honestly dont feel much different.

Stmfuller

11-11-2010, 05:27 AM

I checked it last night a little
It's the first CoD that I've played since well, the first one.
It's pretty, there's a lot going on. and uh, it's ok.
I guess I'm still suffering from Fallout: new Vegas withdraws...

oh well, back to goldeneye.

Exodus

11-11-2010, 06:21 AM

I gave up on the SP and went through a few MP matches.
First match I went 8kills/6deaths.
Second match I went 10kills/8deaths.
Third match I went 19kills/2deaths.

It's the third match when I remembered that I always liked to be the crazy running around person in MW2. Picked up Warlord and Marathon perks because I like my red dot with my supressor! There's a couple other combos I'd like to try but I like being invisible on the radar because people like me take advantage of that shit.

Why did I say this? Just to say those of you who were expecting more beyond MW2, it's not. It's MW2 in a cold war era setting. The perks are a bit more balanced which is nice. Other than that the two or three maps I've played seem to be tuned okay, hoping to see more maps. Also, my favourite mode type is tactical.

Narradisall

11-11-2010, 06:30 AM

So from reading this thead, its like every other COD game. I can avoid the MP like the plague, and play through the SP, which while being awesome, will be short, and full of cheap gameplay and poor AI.

It's £25 in a local store by me, so sounds like a fun weekend romp of entertainment for me.

Exodus

11-11-2010, 06:35 AM

Goronmon

11-11-2010, 06:42 AM

Exodus, that is how I've always felt about the CoD single player :)
This is true, except I'm finding it especially bad in Black Ops. It's like they set friendly AI to 'wuss'-mode. They mostly just hang back in door ways hardly even taking a shot. Most of the time I have to run out into swarms of guys all by my lonesome, kill a few, then run back to where the friendlies are. You can definitely tell this is a Treyarch title, as things like enemies running past friendlies to come kill you is either much more prevalent or just more noticeable.

Narradisall

11-11-2010, 06:59 AM

I wouldn't buy it for the SP...and I MEAN IT.

Maybe a rental then....

Lance Uppercut

11-11-2010, 07:46 AM

I haven't regularly played a CoD since MW1, and I pretty much skipped MW2 for the PC (I did finish the SP on the 360, and tried a bit of the MP). I played BLOPS campaign at a friend's house and it was pretty much what I expected, but still fun. I'm glad to hear multiplayer is a bit more balanced now, and it looks like a big enough step from MW1 that I can safely get this for the multiplayer without feeling guilty where my $60 went.

Karak

11-11-2010, 08:22 AM

The scripting in regards to the friendly NPCs in this game is probably the worst I've seen in a long time. It's just fucking SHIT. You'll have enemies stack up in front of your 'friendly npcs' who are given the worst rules of engagement in regards to programming. The funny part is, is that they're invulnerable and sit with their asses facing the enemy and won't do shit.

They didn't even bother making the enemies attack the most obvious target. It's like all guns are trained on you!

The single player is just terrible and the only thing that makes it intriguing is that it looks and performs solidly. In terms of design it's so stupid that it makes me wish I could pull out my tool kit and write my own shit to make encounters actually fun and make the NPCs make some fucking sense.

Christ.
Ya I had issues with friendly AI as well. Not the stacking but I had a pissy part where I thought I had moved to the next area but was getting gutter snipped at every moment. I realized that I had moved, but my guys were up on top still manning a 60. Which was funny...and brutal at the same time.
I like the story, but they should have baked your friends in an over of polish for a couple more weeks.

burger

11-11-2010, 08:40 AM

The single player is just terrible .

Couldn't disagree more. Without a doubt the best Treyarch SP campaign and I would put this up there with the original MW.

Maybe a rental then....

I wouldn't base a decision off of Exodus's lone opinion. Sounds like he doesn't like any of the CoD SP so I think he's in the minority. Overall consensus in this thread seems to be that the SP is pretty solid and as usual features some pretty dumb AI. Nothing new there that we haven't seen in every other CoD.

For me the variaety of locations,time periods, drivable vehicles and mission types and the narrative that is sewing them together is perhaps the best we've seen in a CoD game. I'm actually DYING to know how it's gonna end and what the meaning of the numbers are. When was the last time a CoD game had you on the edge of your seat in anticipation of where the narrative was gonna take you?

Karak

11-11-2010, 08:45 AM

HOLY SHIT!
I did not know the title screen can be broken out of(your character is in the electric chair and you can break loose) and that Zork is on that little computer in the background. Also screenshots, and developers vids can be unlocked by hacking. I missed that entirely.

Exodus

11-11-2010, 09:00 AM

Couldn't disagree more. Without a doubt the best Treyarch SP campaign and I would put this up there with the original MW.

I wouldn't base a decision off of Exodus's lone opinion. Sounds like he doesn't like any of the CoD SP so I think he's in the minority. Overall consensus in this thread seems to be that the SP is pretty solid and as usual features some pretty dumb AI. Nothing new there that we haven't seen in every other CoD.

For me the variaety of locations,time periods, drivable vehicles and mission types and the narrative that is sewing them together is perhaps the best we've seen in a CoD game. I'm actually DYING to know how it's gonna end and what the meaning of the numbers are. When was the last time a CoD game had you on the edge of your seat in anticipation of where the narrative was gonna take you?

Alright, the sp's alright if you play it on easy. There. But playing this game for the SP that's a 5hr campaign of high octane with very poor design but full up on presentation. That's called a rental. If you're only going to play the SP and not the multiplayer do not buy this game and don't listen to what burger says otherwise if you meet that criteria.

burger

11-11-2010, 09:06 AM

Alright, the sp's alright if you play it on easy. There. But playing this game for the SP that's a 5hr campaign of high octane with very poor design but full up on presentation. That's called a rental. If you're only going to play the SP and not the multiplayer do not buy this game and don't listen to what burger says otherwise if you meet that criteria.

It's hardly a 5hr campaign. The design isn't even remotely poor.

Sounds like you just like to hate on this game.

Inspector Fowler

11-11-2010, 09:13 AM

The knife.

I forgot how much I hate the CoD knife.

When I hit hardcore, the knifing will be over, internet bitches.

Also - ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME THAT I CANNOT NAME A CUSTOM CLASS ASSAULT BECAUSE IT HAS THE WORD ASS IN IT? I CAN GET CALLED A NIGGER OVER AND OVER BUT I CANNOT NAME MY CUSTOM CLASS ASSAULT?

That is all, carry on with the operating.

Exodus

11-11-2010, 10:17 AM

It's hardly a 5hr campaign. The design isn't even remotely poor.

Sounds like you just like to hate on this game.

No didn't I just say it's great if you play it on easy to overcome the crap design?

The presentation is CoD quality, the art is great. The scripting is crap and so is the AI. I didn't buy this game for the SP anyway however but if people are wanting to play this for the SP they really shouldn't.

Rent it. Burger's trying to twist what I'm saying.

Inspector Fowler

11-11-2010, 10:24 AM

Although I still have some more time before I get my hardcore unlocked, it's the same old thing, and in a good way.

The same awesome stuff, and the same bullshit is there too. That RC car sucks a huge fat one, but it's pretty funny, IMO. I'd rather get killed by that then knifed.

I was pretty spoiled by BC2, where I can only hear my squadmates, and I am once again on the verge of muting everybody who isn't on my friends list. Unsurprisingly, the only people who have shown any teamwork are the people who don't have mics plugged in.

But the controls are still tight, the shooting is usually pretty damn good (although the shotguns seem to have more lag than before), the levels are fun and really varied, and the theater mode is pretty cool. It'll be cooler when I've customized my guy and I can pretend it's my own action movie.

Still very confused about the lack of the word "assault".

burger

11-11-2010, 10:28 AM

Burger's trying to twist what I'm saying.

You've exposed my agenda! :p

Orca

11-11-2010, 11:22 AM

Playing on Veteran is just a chore, so unbelievably cheap at times that I've wanted to just quit. I mean I'm used to cheap in the CoD series, but this is ridiculous. Enemies running past my allies and being ignored? Horrible AI.

If you play it on Hardened, it's not so bad. Still some cheap deaths but at least you get a chance. Anything less than that and it's like playing against Special Ed commandos, and no challenge at all.

burger

11-11-2010, 11:28 AM

Orca

11-11-2010, 11:36 AM

It's there, it's just inconsistent. There's one point where you're holding a location against enemies and there's a couple guys on the left and a couple on the right. One time they'll actually shoot at bad guys...another, they'll just sit there looking at them while they run past to try and kill you. It's frustrating as hell, since it means you have to do everything in case they don't do the basic 'cover my corner' shit.

Exodus

11-11-2010, 11:36 AM

I've always complained about Veteran mode in the Treyarch games...it's borderline impossible for anyone who isn't a masochist.

I don't think it's accurate to say the friendly AI is horrible....THERE ISN'T ANY AI!! Calling it horrible would be to suggest that they actually implemented something. ;)

It's not shit, it's working as intended? Oh boy do I really miss the eye roll emote. -_-

Anyways seriously, rent this if you're only going to play the sp.

burger

11-11-2010, 11:38 AM

Wouldn't it be great if in veteran mode you could just lay prone and let the other guys do everything. After a few mins you pop your head up and everyone is dead.

I just wish they would eliminate the situation where you die because a bad guy is 1 foot behind you because he managed to slip past 5 of your teammates who aren't doing SHIT!

burger

11-11-2010, 11:40 AM

It's not shit, it's working as intended? Oh boy do I really miss the eye roll emote. -_-.

You're a bit daft aren't you? I'll make sure I use plum colored crayon when I know you're lurking in a thread. :p

Karak

11-11-2010, 11:43 AM

I am enjoying the singleplayer on hard and have far more than 5+ hours. I may have lost my FPS chops in this game due to my Halo time. I bought it for single and feel delighted despite some of the problems with the AI. Frankly, the same stuff everyone seems to complain about on MOST not all but MOST FPS games with AI.

But I still haven't beat it at 5+ hours and feel in no way cheated for buying it.

However, all games that are singleplayer or multi can usually be rented so taking ANY game that can be rented into this equation. Of course a person CAN rent it. Its up to them.
As it should be..
Most likely.

I am enjoying the fucksnot out of it.

burger

11-11-2010, 11:51 AM

I am enjoying the fucksnot out of it.

That about sums my experience up as well.

Vandabo

11-11-2010, 12:26 PM

So I played quite a bit of multi last night on the PC, and was pleasantly surprised. As far as I can tell, there is no Martyr anymore, thank fuck for that. I haven't liked the maps as much as WaW so far, but I like more open maps usually and I'm not surprised that a game called Black Ops doesn't have many.

One thing I noticed that just blew me away is that the M1911 is worse in every way than the Makarov. It is less accurate, does less damage and has lower range. Of all those, only the range is believable. I know that CoD has always taken bizarre liberties with weapon effectiveness, but this is crazy. The only one worse that I can think of is how the M1 Carbine did more damage than the M1 Garand in WaW.

Vigil80

11-11-2010, 12:34 PM

I long ago stopped expecting CoD weapons to have any connection to reality besides their names and maybe appearance. Don't get me wrong, CoD is still the only place to turn to for it's brand of shooty bangs, but the "modern military" shooter label is kind of deceptive, like "filet mignon" dog food.

Lance Uppercut

11-11-2010, 05:10 PM

I don't get the hate for this one. If you loved COD4 but hated MW2, then this is the game for you.

OldJadedGamer

11-11-2010, 05:24 PM

I don't get the hate for this one. If you loved COD4 but hated MW2, then this is the game for you.

So all the excessive kill streaks are gone?

Exodus

11-11-2010, 05:46 PM

So all the excessive kill streaks are gone?

Wutcha men by this exactly?

I quite enjoy the killstreaks personally it really rewards you for being active instead of a camping bitch.

pomeroy

11-11-2010, 05:52 PM

Exodus, you come off as a prickish 12 year old in this thread.

Exodus

11-11-2010, 06:04 PM

Exodus, you come off as a prickish 12 year old in this thread.

That entirely depends on how you see it.

I think the multiplayer is an absolute blast.
I think the art is top notch.
I think the production value is quite high.

I think the design of the sp blows. I think the programmers and scripters got lazy when it came to polish for the single player experience. There's glaring errors in design, you're the only one getting shot at while ai's just standing around with their ass in the air? Design let it slip, programming was busy doing something else.

If you can live with the latter then go for it. Personally I think people deserve a better single player experience and please note I'm not speaking whatsoever of the story(which has great presentation). Nor am I speaking of any of the bells and whistles. You can overlook them but to me they're problems blazing like the sun in the sky on a sunday morning that treyarch knows full well about. They just couldn't get to fixing them because takesies backsies with microsoft costs more than just a couple sheckles.

That's the round up. I'll play the SP if they ever patch it. The multiplayer is still THE shit.

crazyD

11-11-2010, 06:57 PM

Yes Hardcore is in the game, it is all I play. Such a great mode.

I've always loved the increased weapon damage, but the lack of radar and killcam just make it a camper's paradise. If there was a customizable version with just the increased damage, I'd fucking love it.

Inspector Fowler

11-11-2010, 07:04 PM

Wouldn't it be great if in veteran mode you could just lay prone and let the other guys do everything. After a few mins you pop your head up and everyone is dead.

It's a fine line (although it sounds like Treyarch has just walked the other direction).

On the one hand, you have games like BC2 where your teammates, fortunately, aren't even mortal - but also are purely cosmetic. On the other hand, they could give you competent team members a la Rainbow Six or something, and then task you with keeping them alive.

I just assume in every CoD game that I am the only one fighting the war and everybody else is window dressing.

Also - CrazyD - the lack of a killcam and radar make it a tactical paradise. You can murder the fuck out of campers with just a little cleverness in hardcore.

Karak

11-11-2010, 07:42 PM

Guys.
Can someone help me out.
360(I have the PC version) has What multplayer options
Splitscreen (I think it does)?
System link with splitscreen and how many?
Co-op with the above?

Bots of any kind with the above?

Sorry I am having a bit...of difficulty searching the right answers out on Google.

Telefrog

11-11-2010, 07:47 PM

My double grenade kill:

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Inspector Fowler

11-11-2010, 07:52 PM

OldJadedGamer

11-11-2010, 08:19 PM

Wutcha men by this exactly?

I quite enjoy the killstreaks personally it really rewards you for being active instead of a camping bitch.

Excessive kill streaks are what ruined MW2. In COD4 you had three total. That's it. You actually had to play the game. And I would disagree and all the time I spent playing people would camp to get killstreaks... not be active. He said if you loved COD but hated MW2 then you would like Black Ops but as the reviews said, Black Ops is just a map pack to MW2 with a few new modes.

The COD series peaked with 4 and has yet to gain that greatness back.

Drayven

11-11-2010, 08:27 PM

When will CoD fix the "grenade doesn't travel after death" thing?

If it animates my arm throwing it, it should fly. Sometimes they don't even detonate. It makes me crazy.

Also making me crazy is the autoaim. If I leave it on, every time I try to aim it moves the cursor for me. If I turn it off I get raped by hip firing snipers.

On the plus side, getting napalmed is pretty hilarious, and the map design is so far very much to my liking.

I've gotten quite a few grenade kills after I died. I think if the grenade is gonna kill anyone it just removes it from the game.

As for comments about killstreaks. There is actually a team tactical mode that has no perks, kill streaks, attachments or equipment. At this point though, the only kill streak I've heard any complaints about is the RC cars. I don't feel like I'm constantly getting slaughtered by air strikes and helicopters.

wyeast

11-11-2010, 09:02 PM

If you loved COD4 but hated MW2, then this is the game for you.
Meaning the game isn't riddled with broken-down matchmaking lobbies, lagzillas, and rushing stab-fests?

If so, I may have to start shopping. :o

Wilkz07

11-11-2010, 09:10 PM

can't wait for Red Dead Redemption Undead Nightmare stand-alone disc.... errr... is this not the RDR thread?

Inspector Fowler

11-11-2010, 09:39 PM

I haven't even TRIED playing with my friends yet but just getting into a fucking game is killing me.

I don't know how the matchmaking works. I dunno if it tries to match too many things.

As we type I am trying for the fifth time to get into a match, waiting about two minutes each time before I give up and try again.

Still waiting for 8 more players, guys. It's a good time here. Maybe my 20 mbps connection is too slow. Maybe it can't find players that suck as bad as I do. Maybe it's tapped into my Xbox Live Vision camera and it really like seeing a vein on my head try to burst.

Deadend

11-11-2010, 10:31 PM

crazyD

11-11-2010, 11:07 PM

Also - CrazyD - the lack of a killcam and radar make it a tactical paradise. You can murder the fuck out of campers with just a little cleverness in hardcore.

Ooooor... you can be killed out of nowhere, and have no way at all of knowing what did it. If "tactical" is a new slang for "little camping bitches", than I agree. While some might find it fun and "tactical" to hide in the least visible exploit points in a map and kill anyone who walks by, I do not find that enjoyable. The protections against camping are one of my favorite aspects of CoD games, and hardcore mode completely removes them.

crazyD

11-11-2010, 11:09 PM

Played a bit of the campaign.
Frank Woods is Ben Stiller from Tropic Thunder.
I also have found that up to the point where I am, the plot is kind of stupid.
Really stupid.
In a way that Modern Warfare 2 wasn't.
Also it feels very ME TOO.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/d3adended/tugg-speedman.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/d3adended/Woods_Vietnam.png

Seriously? I haven't played blops yet, but the plot of MW2 was one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. It made Red Dawn look like an amazing cinematic wonder.

Inspector Fowler

11-11-2010, 11:25 PM

CrazyD, it's a totally different playstyle. I absolutely agree that campers have a better chance in hardcore.

But you have a great chance of killing them. Stealth out - use ghost or ninja (or both), silence a weapon. Since Hardcore right now is a lot of Team Deathmatch, I don't have to worry about objectives. I patrol the outside of the map.

DON'T RUN. Only run across open areas. Stay quiet and stick to the walls. Pie every corner unless you know it's safe. I have more success by avoiding my team - they're making noise and causin' a ruckus. Keep your sights up. Forget the goddamm knife - it's for opening MREs now.

I often will also "hybrid camp". I'll wait someplace where I know somebody is likely to approach. I'll get one kill, and move to a new location. The guy will probably come back, thinking I'm just camping a room or a bush or something. I'll get him from the new angle, and move to the next place.

I will suffer 1,000,000 campers before I deal with that mother fucking knife. :p

crazyD

11-11-2010, 11:46 PM

Personally, cheap as it may be, I love knifing. In any game, it is just so viscerally satisfying. I think the CoD games do it backwards. Instead of rewarding you for playing the game more, punish you for it. Instead of earning new weapons that give you an advantage against newbs, remove weapons, and make you feel like a real bad ass. When you can go all Rambo against a team with awesome weapons, slaying the shit out of them using cheap, improvised shit, you feel like a real superman.

Lance Uppercut

11-12-2010, 12:12 AM

PC version here, no problems with connecting to servers, and I think I encountered 1 lag spike, but otherwise, the gameplay is fun, and doesn't feel cheap like MW2 did. Players can still get kinda stabbity, but at least the Commando perk is gone (which I understand is the cause of most of this grief in MW2). Also, no more nukes. Fuck nukes.

I've given up trying to understand what the plot is in these CoD games after CoD4. In any case, the single player isn't bad, even though the AI never helps you kill anyone. I'm playing on regular, and I don't think I've encountered anything too difficult yet.

Inspector Fowler

11-12-2010, 12:43 AM

See, but the knife isn't visceral. Not at all. You kind of slash it, lock on and glide forward up to about 15 feet, and the guy falls over.

In Bad Company, at least you make a stabbing motion.

This is how I get knifed - I am walking along, a guy comes out a door, and knifes me without stopping or slowing, still walking. I can tell that people plan on doing it, rather than even trying to shoot - not because it's more manly, as you describe - but because it's almost 100% accurate in about a 180 degree arc in front of you.

When the fucking killcam shows people getting knife kills on people behind them, something is all kinds of fucked up.

Using the knife should be risk/reward. You should have to switch to it, and the animation should involve you and the guy you kill in the same animation - you should grab him, hold him, and stab him. Only a second or two. Give me double the points, or even triple for doing it, I don't care.

Imagine a sniper camping in a room, totally unaware you're creeping up behind him. Suddenly his view moves as you drag him to his feet while you plant a knife sideways through the clavicle area into his trachea. He can't fight back, he has to endure it for a second.

Orrrr, I can watch a guy run past somebody, spam the knife button, and kill a guy who is now literally behind him.

It's okay - in a couple more levels I'll play hardcore, where I never get knifed unless I'm standing still.

crazyD

11-12-2010, 12:50 AM

wyeast

11-12-2010, 01:04 AM

It's less a lock-on and more that it's not aiming. Like Fowler's said, so long as your enemy is vaguely in front of you (at close range) it'll hit. This allows you to run around like a lunatic, spamming the slash every time you turn a corner or run through a doorway. That puts you at the advantage, as you're technically already lunging by the time they see you.

No aiming. No reloading. Since it's pretty quiet, you're also not tipping off their teammates as you work your way through the building. That's the trifecta that made the knife so infuriating. Just hack and slash. Even if you get caught with your pants down at medium range, you just have to strafe like mad and hope you get close enough to land the kill before he can pump you full of bullets. (since in non-hardcore many weapons don't kill in 1 shot, you have to keep aiming at him while's running wild)

At least that was my experience in MW2. From what the good Inspector is saying, I'm guessing it's sorta the same here. :(

Inspector Fowler

11-12-2010, 01:37 AM

Lock on? You playing the console version of something? Switching to it isn't necessarily required for risk vs. reward. You have to get close to do it, make sure they don't notice, so they don't kill you first. And, if they are shooting you, they can still stab you before you stab them first.

You are describing, like, the anti-knife. :D

Yeah, I'm playing on 360. I'm not a game designer or nuthin' but it's pretty clear that the knife creates an arc of "one hit kill" in front of the player instantly. The animation doesn't even have to touch the other player.

And, as I described above, due to lag somebody can literally run past you and not start the knife animation until they are past, and still get the kill. This hasn't happened to me yet in BLOPS (I really like that) but I have seen it in the game-ending kill-cam.

When you are observing somebody knife somebody else, it becomes pretty clear that while the knife itself doesn't lock on (it sometimes doesn't even touch the killed player), in an effort to make the knife look less horrifically enraging it sort of makes the knifer point and lunge towards the knifee. You can watch this bizarre "auto-lock" from afar but it's a little harder to see up close.

I tried to register with the Call of Duty Black Ops site so I could show some of the ridiculousness but they didn't acknowledge my username. When I do get on with them, I'll create a "bwa ha ha ha" video and upload it.

Narradisall

11-12-2010, 06:17 AM

Well, I picked it up last night.

Enjoying the campaign so far, playing on the normal setting and there have only been one or two annoying bits (I always play normal first so I can enjoy the story and play about without fear of dying). I imagine the Vet on this is going to be terribly difficult, but having one MW1 and 2 on Vet I just have to torture myself with this at some point.

I'm enjoying the story so far, got up to the first mission in snow and it has been short, but all action packed and fun.

As expected though, the AI is balls as usual. You would really have thought one of the developers would have made AI that didn't suck cock completely by now.

I'll get my money out of the SP and Zombie fun. I haven't even bothered going near the MP since by the sounds of this thread its the same knife ganking glitchy crapfest that every other COD has been for the last few installments.

burger

11-12-2010, 09:29 AM

I also have found that up to the point where I am, the plot is kind of stupid.
Really stupid

Please enlighten me as to what games you've been playing that have BRILLIANT plots...I need to know so I can play them and have my mind blown.

crazyD

11-12-2010, 09:45 AM

GRIM FANDANGO ooo

burger

11-12-2010, 09:52 AM

Let me clarify...FPS of the CoD variety....and don't cite the Half-Life series....I need other examples so I too can say "man is this plot stupid compared to (insert brilliant shooter here)"

crazyD

11-12-2010, 09:55 AM

There are shooters with better plots than CoD. I'd cite Bioshock, but I guess that's not of the same specific variety as CoD. Deus Ex is far off, but another shooter with an excellent plot.

burger

11-12-2010, 10:01 AM

There are shooters with better plots than CoD. I'd cite Bioshock, but I guess that's not of the same specific variety as CoD. Deus Ex is far off, but another shooter with an excellent plot.

Those ARE games with great plots...but neither make Black Ops seem stupid in comparison. I actually felt that by the end of the game it was by far the most engaging and complicated CoD plot.

crazyD

11-12-2010, 10:05 AM

My copy of Blops is shipping, but I seriously doubt it holds a candle to either of those games. I mean, MW2 was just a stupider version of Red Dawn, so I don't have high hopes for an amazing plot.

burger

11-12-2010, 10:09 AM

I still don't get the MW2 hate...it's gotten to the point where I just dismiss it as "the cool thing to do".

Great gameplay, easily the best CoD score (Zimmer baby!!), a gloomy and epic story and probably one of the best betrayal sequences in any game I've ever played.....stupider Red Dawn? Not even gonna touch one ;)

crazyD

11-12-2010, 10:37 AM

I'm not hating on it, just don't think it's a game to play for the plot. What little plot that was there was stupid and over the top. I would say that it had the best gameplay of any of the CoDs.

Shjinta

11-12-2010, 10:54 AM

Narradisall

11-12-2010, 12:38 PM

I enjoyed MW1 and 2.

I actually played 2 before 1, so the plot was a bit off to follow at first (I.e not getting why Price was known when you save him), but the betrayal was good and it had a fairly decent story.

I'm actually liking the whole intrigue of the blops story.

Also blops is the bestest name ever.

crazyD

11-12-2010, 12:40 PM

Yeah, the main reason I'm posting in this thread is to try to get everyone to subconsciously call the game Blops.

Karak

11-12-2010, 12:46 PM

Holy shit.
So none of you have even checked into the system link at all. I thought I was possibly the only one who still did this but man...I thought someone here would.
I will take my questions to their online forum. Wish me luck. Its a dangerous place right now:(

Deadend

11-12-2010, 01:04 PM

Music during the campaign was shit and the 2 songs used for the Vietnam stuff were appropriate, they also also cliche as hell at this point.
**edit**
Also Sympathy for the Devil wasn't even recorded yet! Sloppy sloppy work.

The whole plot revolving around finding a Numbers Station? Stupid.
It's called Triangulation.
Oh and then having it in a secret underwater base? Retarded, not cool.

Even then I'm not sure how that saves the day as Mason didn't broadcast a 'stand-down' order. As they mean to say that Mason had a copy of the one-time pad memorized? possibly doable. And the idea that he was implanted with the meanings?
Fucking stupider than anything else in Call of Duty.

Also the sheer number of times the game told me Reznov isn't real was insulting. It's kind of obvious the game is made for people unable to think by people who don't have original ideas.

Everything about the campaign was flashy but lacking in options or logic.

Even the 'oooh spooky' endgame revelation was eyerollingly lame.

Hell in the main plot, the good guys didn't even win, as there were still hundreds of sleeper agents with Nova 6 just sitting around, but I guess they all decided to not set their bombs off?

It was fucking stupider than a General hiring a terrorist to start a war to drum up recruitment for the army.
That is a new level of stupid.

Khrymsyn

11-12-2010, 01:28 PM

Holy fucking spoilers Deadend.
Wtf?

Goronmon

11-12-2010, 01:32 PM

Not cool Deadend.

burger

11-12-2010, 02:03 PM

It's kind of obvious the game is made for people unable to think by people who don't have original ideas..

They got you to play it so I see your point :p

Narradisall

11-12-2010, 02:38 PM

Honestly, WTF?

I'm at a part where you have to sneak up on cc on a boat and I've failed like 8 times in a row.

Doesn't matter how I approach it they just start shooting. I even got shot at under the boat as in through the wood.

Supposed to be fun, not a chore

Narradisall

11-12-2010, 02:42 PM

Right, so you jut have to bum rush them rather than actually slowly sneaking up.

Karak

11-12-2010, 02:58 PM

Had a great time last night. Still enjoying the story a great deal. I got my ass handed to me at one point and ended up taking out a couple people with the Knife which I so rarely use in the SP game. Really damn fun. Love all the set pieces and time frames.

Very good time.

pomeroy

11-12-2010, 03:03 PM

Seriously? I haven't played blops yet, but the plot of MW2 was one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. It made Red Dawn look like an amazing cinematic wonder.

Red Dawn is an amazing cinematic wonder.

Vermillion

11-12-2010, 03:19 PM

Yeah, the main reason I'm posting in this thread is to try to get everyone to subconsciously call the game Blops.

Yeah, I saw someone use the term Cod Blops and I was trying to figure out what kind of fish poop game they were playing.

Deadend

11-12-2010, 03:23 PM

Yeah, I saw someone use the term Cod Blops and I was trying to figure out what kind of fish poop game they were playing.

I've been using the cod blops for a couple of days.

Modern Warfare is now Cod mew and MW2 is Cod Mute.

Narradisall

11-12-2010, 05:49 PM

Well, I'm done.

I enjoyed it and didn't think it was a crap story (well not as much as deadend although all his arguments are logically sound). You just have to suspend your disbelief a lot.

It was extremely predictable though, I knew what was happening within the first hour.

Still enjoyable. Now to kill zombies!!!

Deadend

11-12-2010, 06:58 PM

2nd music fact: CCR's Fortunate Son was released Nov 2nd 1969. So over a year in advanced of it's release by ingame date of Feb 1968.

It's kind of telling...

Narradisall

11-13-2010, 02:59 AM

But then, this IS a game that ends with.

Kennedy and co fighting off an army of zombies

Not that your comments are correct Deadend, I just wanted to point that out since it was awesome.

Deadend

11-13-2010, 10:31 AM

But then, this IS a game that ends with.

Kennedy and co fighting off an army of zombies

Not that your comments are correct Deadend, I just wanted to point that out since it was awesome.

But that's not part of the plot.

As the main character is implied to have been the killer of JFK due to Russian brainwashing.
Maybe that also explains why Sam "worst actor on earth" Worthington kept switching accents.

burger

11-13-2010, 10:37 AM

Maybe that also explains why Sam "worst actor on earth" Worthington kept switching accents.

You're the first human being I've met that is only capable of communicating in comical and nonsensical hyperbole. Is there any way the admins can make it so that your posts always show up in some other color...like yellow....so we know to laugh and not take them seriously?

Deadend

11-13-2010, 10:48 AM

You're the first human being I've met that is only capable of communicating in comical and nonsensical hyperbole. Is there any way the admins can make it so that your posts always show up in some other color...like yellow....so we know to laugh and not take them seriously?

Oh fucking shut up, you have been trying to give me shit ever since I fist saw your posts in the same thread as me. Fuck off dude and quit trying to give me shit.

Exodus

11-13-2010, 11:04 AM

Beat the SP. It's a neat story but the bugs still hold up It's still a rental if you're only playing it for SP.

Karak

11-13-2010, 11:13 AM

Narradisall

11-13-2010, 02:16 PM

But that's not part of the plot.

As the main character is implied to have been the killer of JFK due to Russian brainwashing.
Maybe that also explains why Sam "worst actor on earth" Worthington kept switching accents.

Oh I know, I just wanted to mention it. :D

I found the story ok, it had a bit of intrigue mixed in with the action, which was a nice change.

Plus there were some more trippy scenes.

I enjoyed the game, and I've been having some fun with the Zombies mode. I'm not really feeling it anymore though, I played COD2 and then picked up MW1 and 2 which were rather enjoyable.

I think blops will be my last COD game though. It has a very 'been there, done that' feel.

Still, I'll get my money out of it first!

Wolvie

11-13-2010, 07:13 PM

Wow Treyarch I am gonna stop busting your balls now, Black Ops makes two pretty damn good games, you are officially a good dev team in my eyes. COD3 sucked, but you have redeemed yourselves. The single player is almost as good as WM2, the MP is just as good and the Zombies mode is as good as I remember it. Bravo good sirs, bravo!

Stmfuller

11-13-2010, 09:29 PM

after playing the same level on the wii and 360 I have to say I'm enjoying it on the wii more

Inspector Fowler

11-14-2010, 04:00 AM

I am having a lot of fun in MP.

Nuketown, though? Look, it's all fun, but they should have expanded the street a leetle bit. I am so fucking tired of getting spawn camped....by the guy who just spawned 15 feet behind me. Watching theater replays of that map makes me a sad panda.

I get it, it's kind of the "Shipment" of this game. But seriously - the one backyard where you spawn side by side and the other one where as soon as you walk out (and I'm talking 10-15 feet out) the enemy is "clear" to spawn there?

The weapons are fun, though. I'm still not tired of getting killed by the RC car. I'm playing hardcore so my screeching at the knife has stopped. I don't know why, but I actually take some pleasure in putting my emblem and custom camo on each gun I own.

Also, I unlocked the Spas-12, which has shit for range. But in hardcore, it's a one hit kill at short range...and can be silenced (and I mean ultra-mega quiet silenced). I cannot believe they let that thing be silenced, it's silly as hell. That doesn't stop me from using it, of course. :D

Drayven

11-14-2010, 11:26 AM

scavenger + sleight of hand + marathon + silenced spas = wheeee

Orca

11-14-2010, 04:04 PM

Nuketown would be salvaged (or at least helped) if they just restricted player respawns to the street and their starting side, depending on the location of the other team.

burger

11-14-2010, 04:30 PM

Oh fucking shut up, you have been trying to give me shit ever since I fist saw your posts in the same thread as me. Fuck off dude and quit trying to give me shit.

Fixed that for you :p

The single player is just terrible

Beat the SP. It's a neat story

Not sure if my response should be :confused: or :p

Stmfuller

11-14-2010, 04:57 PM

grabbed it on the wii for the multiplayer (sadly, I don't think my PC could play it). played some zombies online yesterday, but so far haven't had a ton of fun with it...I mean, it's ok, but sadly it's not a great game.
Though this, goldeneye, and sonic colors should tide me over until Epic Mickey comes out.

Inspector Fowler

11-14-2010, 05:34 PM

Nuketown would be salvaged (or at least helped) if they just restricted player respawns to the street and their starting side, depending on the location of the other team.

Exactly!

Make it a + shape. Three houses on the cul-de-sac are three of the "arms", and the street gets extended a bit - put a couple of those big ass Army trucks (the old school ones they used to drive on M*A*S*H all the time) in there to protect the spawn a bit) as the fourth arm.

Ta-da.

I like the idea of Nuketown - a frantic, run-and-gun map that serves as almost comic relief to the other maps. Just throw on Warlord Pro, grenade spam the shit out of it, and go nuts. But when you literally cannot leave your spawn sometimes...ugh.

Exodus

11-14-2010, 06:04 PM

Fixed that for you :p

Not sure if my response should be :confused: or :p

It's obvious burger. It's also obvious you don't read what people say either.

burger

11-14-2010, 06:14 PM

It's obvious burger. It's also obvious you don't read what people say either.

Judging by this post it's obvious YOU don't read what YOU say :p

Sounds like we need a little time out. Hug?

Since you don't like CoD maybe we can talk about a game you do like...just because you don't like CoD doesn't mean I think you need to die. Tortured...yes. Die...no.

At least you don't speak in hyperbolic yellow crayon like DeadEnd. ;)

Inspector Fowler

11-14-2010, 06:24 PM

Goddammit, take it outside, guys. I want to talk about virtual murder here, not listen to you people.

burger

11-14-2010, 06:27 PM

Goddammit, take it outside, guys. I want to talk about virtual murder here, not listen to you people.

Agreed.......

Karak

11-14-2010, 06:43 PM

Goddammit, take it outside, guys. I want to talk about virtual murder here, not listen to you people.

Ignore Lists:

They are a fucking beautiful thing my friend. I can't get through the day without them. Effectively filtering assf*cks can't have a price put on it.

Exodus

11-14-2010, 06:45 PM

Ignore Lists:

They are a fucking beautiful thing my friend. I can't get through the day without them. Effectively filtering assf*cks can't have a price put on it.

Or can it....new internet business starting NOW!

Wolvie

11-14-2010, 06:56 PM

I am having a lot of fun in MP.

Nuketown, though? Look, it's all fun, but they should have expanded the street a leetle bit. I am so fucking tired of getting spawn camped....by the guy who just spawned 15 feet behind me. Watching theater replays of that map makes me a sad panda.

I get it, it's kind of the "Shipment" of this game. But seriously - the one backyard where you spawn side by side and the other one where as soon as you walk out (and I'm talking 10-15 feet out) the enemy is "clear" to spawn there?

Tell me about it, I lost count of the times when I ran out of the spawn and got shot in the back by an opponent who just spawned there. I even watched a dude respawn in the killcam before he ran around the corner to kill me. This is un-fucking-acceptable! Too bad Treyarch can't forge new respawn zones. Maybe they could patch it?

burger

11-14-2010, 07:35 PM

Tell me about it, I lost count of the times when I ran out of the spawn and got shot in the back by an opponent who just spawned there. I even watched a dude respawn in the killcam before he ran around the corner to kill me. This is un-fucking-acceptable! Too bad Treyarch can't forge new respawn zones. Maybe they could patch it?

You've pretty much described why I can't stand CoD's MP. It's like the old Quake style MP. That shit was fun back in 1996 but it just doesn't work anymore...not for me at least.

Kill...spawn...kill...spawn...kill...spawn

Wolvie

11-14-2010, 08:15 PM

You've pretty much described why I can't stand CoD's MP. It's like the old Quake style MP. That shit was fun back in 1996 but it just doesn't work anymore...not for me at least.

Kill...spawn...kill...spawn...kill...spawn

This is the main reason I get burned out on COD games. The MP can either be a respawn-fest or a camper-fest. But if you say this to an "elite" player they pretty much tell you to stop sucking, or DO IT RIGHT OR DIE NUB! All that shit burns me out pretty quick.

Drayven

11-14-2010, 08:31 PM

Are you having these spawn problems on team deathmatch or other modes? We mostly play objective based stuff and it hasn't been much of an issue because of the way teams move.

Wolvie

11-14-2010, 08:37 PM

Team death match. Still, having a team spawn that close behind you is just friggen retarded. At least do what Halo does and have you respawn on the other side of the map or another safe zone. Geez.

Dark Prince

11-14-2010, 08:56 PM

Anyone know of the song they play when you hit the Vietnam parts? It's also played at the end credits too but I can't place it since I know I've heard it before.

burger

11-14-2010, 08:59 PM

Team death match. Still, having a team spawn that close behind you is just friggen retarded. At least do what Halo does and have you respawn on the other side of the map or another safe zone. Geez.

Exactly...I was playing Team Deathmatch the other day and I was killed immediately because the opposition was running through the spawn area.

I didn't mind this style of MP 15 years ago when Doom and Quake ruled the internet but today it just seems dated and lame. Give me a spawn area with temporary invincibility. Let me leave it in peace. Have defined battle lines and a sense of territorial ownership.

Narradisall

11-15-2010, 06:22 AM

Well, I delved into the MP a bit out of curiosity.

Choked full with assholes, so me and a friend went and had a laugh playing combat training for a bit to get used to the weapons and test some loadouts.

Attack dogs are hilarious.

Also, playing Dead ops is great fun with a friend. Between that, the other Zombie mode and the SP I'm rather happy with this game. MP can die in a fire.

AgtFox

11-15-2010, 06:28 AM

Anyone know of the song they play when you hit the Vietnam parts? It's also played at the end credits too but I can't place it since I know I've heard it before.
Either Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Fortunate Son" (when you first get to Vietnam)

or

Rolling Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil" (about halfway in)

My guess is the latter since I think that is the only one of the two that plays during the credits.

Goronmon

11-15-2010, 07:43 AM

I want to try out the Zombie mode at some point. Seems like it would be fun with multiple people.

Dark Prince

11-15-2010, 08:01 AM

Either Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Fortunate Son" (when you first get to Vietnam)

or

Rolling Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil" (about halfway in)

My guess is the latter since I think that is the only one of the two that plays during the credits.

Thanks! It's been rattling in my head for the past few days as I've been playing it till I beat it yesterday.

AgtFox

11-15-2010, 09:39 AM

Review is up (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=20524) as of this morning. Feel free to comment.

burger

11-15-2010, 09:44 AM

Review is up (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=20524) as of this morning. Feel free to comment.

Solid review...glad you liked the game and I think you gave it a fair and reasonable score.

jpc_theoneandonly

11-15-2010, 11:55 PM

Because I'm stubborn and arrogant. I don't buy the simple answers as answers to my questions.

I only got this far through the thread and wanted to answer your question. I do not consider myself a sheep. In fact, I own over 50 games for my xbox ranging from command and conquer to etrenal sonata. I love long games like Dragon Age which I have played through completely 4 times and working on a fifth. I love games with engrossing stories such as Lost Odyssey or Assassins Creed. Then I love twitch shooters like CoD or a more strategic approach with Battlefield. There is a strategy to games like CoD. They are not just mindless shooters as you say. If you expect to come into a game of domination or headquarters against one of the teams I play with and just mindlessly shoot at people, you are going to quit half way through because you are getting your ass beat. I have seen it many times. I like to think I am not a sheep and saying those that like to play CoD are is nothing more than writing a game review that states "this game sucks so I don't like it".

Narradisall

11-16-2010, 06:21 AM

Unfortunately the strategy seems to being knifed in the back or insta gibbed with a tomahawk from 6 miles away.

I don't actually mind the MP, but I find the community to be horrid and the balance to be non-existant. Starting out is just painful. You have some people packing on shot kill weapons with scopes, siliences etc, while jumping into their helicopter to gun down everyone the second they spawn.

Then theres me, with my stick of semtex and a MP5.

You would think it would level out the grouping or something. Instead you have rank 1-10s going up against rank 50+'s and its a butcherfest.

I'm not saying its bad gaming, it's just not for me. The only reason I've even played a few games of MP is because some friends invite me and we enjoy just dicking around having a laugh. Which of course likely infuritates the 'pros' who expect us to somehow take down helicopters with our pistols.

Drayven

11-16-2010, 08:28 AM

I'm with JPC but maybe that's because I tend to play with some of the same people he does. I don't find this game to be nearly as stabbity or killstreaky as MW2. The fact that kill streak kills don't count towards your next kill streak really helps alleviate that. I think the only kill streak I've had complaints about so far is the RC cars and that's mostly because the hit detection on them is horrible so they're hard to kill before they get to you. I think Treyarch did a good job balancing the MP in this version. I often run with an MP5 and semtex like was mentioned above and while I don't do great I feel that I do ok. This isn't a game where someone being level 50 means they're going to beat someone level 1 because of equipment. Alot of the starter gear is great, I mean hell they start you with a rocket launcher to shoot down planes and what not.

Khrymsyn

11-16-2010, 08:36 AM

The fact that kill streak kills don't count towards your next kill streak really helps alleviate that.

Also makes it so suckass guys like me will never see the gunners seat of a chopper. Boo.
=)

I think the only problem with the RC car is that it's SO EASY to get multiples of. Have hardline on and it only takes 2 kills in a row. Even I can do that. ;-)

Drayven

11-16-2010, 08:45 AM

yeah I'm one of those guys that only got high kill streaks by stacking streaks but even so I fully support the change they made. It stops the A-holes like SilentDeath and FoodNipple from constantly raining down shit from the sky on me.

Exodus

11-16-2010, 08:48 AM

I've been enjoying barebones mode quite a bit. I can't wait to get into tactical!

Inspector Fowler

11-16-2010, 09:08 AM

Uh, I think the kill streak thing works like MW2, doesn't it?

The crates don't count towards your next kill streak reward but an item (RCXD, Napalm, etc) does.

That's my understanding, anyway.

Drayven

11-16-2010, 09:12 AM

I'm pretty sure that kills from any sort of kill streak do not count towards yours next streak.

Dukefrukem

11-16-2010, 10:35 AM

Another reason why this game sucks ass.

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burger

11-16-2010, 10:52 AM

Another reason why this game sucks ass

So basically this game sucks ass for two reasons depending on who you ask...the friendly AI does nothing....the friendly AI does everything :p

No offense but this video isn't even remotely representative of the gaming experience. There are countless levels where this doesn't work and where it does work most gamers are still going to shoot anyways because the mechanics of doing so is fun.

Dukefrukem

11-16-2010, 10:57 AM

So basically this game sucks ass for two reasons depending on who you ask...the friendly AI does nothing....the friendly AI does everything :p

No offense but this video isn't even remotely representative of the gaming experience. There are countless levels where this doesn't work and where it does work most gamers are still going to shoot anyways because the mechanics of doing so is fun.

Youre right. This is pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of how War at World was. The AI did Jack Shit in that game... but at least it had Jack Bauer.

burger

11-16-2010, 11:00 AM

Your right. This is pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of how War at World was. The AI did Jack Shit in that game... but at least it had Jack Bauer.

My issue has always been with the AI doing nothing...this is most evident when playing in Veteran mode. The game is so difficult even a masochist would pass on the experience. The friendly AI is literally window dressing....this has been the case in EVERY Treyarch title.

This will be the first CoD title where I won't even make an effort to beat it on Veteran. For CoD3 and WaW I made it half way through the game before going French on the game and raising the white flag.

Narradisall

11-16-2010, 11:02 AM

Youre right. This is pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of how War at World was. The AI did Jack Shit in that game... but at least it had Jack Bauer.

"DOGS! COMIN' RIGHT AT US!"

Also I laugh at that video, the AI is not like that all game. Plus I've lost count of the times enemy and friendly soilders have just walked right past each other.

Exodus

11-16-2010, 12:08 PM

The first level or two is NOTHING like the rest of the game.

Orca

11-16-2010, 12:35 PM

So Duke, have you actually played the game yet or are you still just bitching about a game you haven't actually tried?

Dukefrukem

11-16-2010, 12:39 PM

So Duke, have you actually played the game yet or are you still just bitching about a game you haven't actually tried?

Tell ya what... I'll do what I did for Modern Warfare 2. Not buy it, and when they announce a free weekend play on steam, I'll download it and play it. If it makes you feel better, I won't tell you what sucks about the game until that day comes. Capisce?

Orca

11-16-2010, 12:43 PM

I'm just marveling at how you have such deep-seated anger about the GAMEPLAY of a game you haven't, you know, played.

Dukefrukem

11-16-2010, 12:48 PM

I'm just marveling at how you have such deep-seated anger about the GAMEPLAY of a game you haven't, you know, played.

My anger is towards the people that made this game the biggest opening ever for Activision. Flocks of sheep shelling out money to play another version of the same game we got back in 2007. COD has become equivalent to what the Saw franchise did for movies. It wasn't until people stopped paying for it that Saw went away. This is what people want in a game? Easy to beat because it's hard to die. A game where you don't have to do much of anything to complete it. A focus on graphics over gameplay. Style over substance (unnecessary slo-mo, scripted and pointless shell shock, NPC suggestions that have nothing to do with what's happening... 'run!' when there's nothing to worry about from behind)... Vote with your wallets.

Drayven

11-16-2010, 12:49 PM

I did vote with my wallet. I just hit the 15 hour mark in multiplayer last night and when I go home tonight I shall play some more. Some day soon I might even try the single player.

crazyD

11-16-2010, 12:52 PM

Tell ya what... I'll do what I did for Modern Warfare 2. Not buy it, and when they announce a free weekend play on steam, I'll download it and play it. If it makes you feel better, I won't tell you what sucks about the game until that day comes. Capisce?

My anger is towards the people that made this game the biggest opening ever for Activision. Flocks of sheep shelling out money to play another version of the same game we got back in 2007. COD has become equivalent to what the Saw franchise did for movies. It wasn't until people stopped paying for it that Saw went away. This is what people want in a game? Easy to beat because it's hard to die. A game where you don't have to do much of anything to complete it. A focus on graphics over gameplay. Style over substance (unnecessary slo-mo, scripted and pointless shell shock, NPC suggestions that have nothing to do with what's happening... 'run!' when there's nothing to worry about from behind)... Vote with your wallets.

Already breaking your claim. And someone who is such a Duke Nukem fan, your complaints are hypocritical and stupid. Just fuck off already.

Dukefrukem

11-16-2010, 12:59 PM

Already breaking your claim. And someone who is such a Duke Nukem fan, your complaints are hypocritical and stupid. Just fuck off already.

I was speaking facetiously. What does being a Duke Nukem fan have anything to do with what we're talking about? Is it being released on PC for $60? Will I be able to beat an entire level shooting 2 shots? Am I hurting your COD fanboysim?

crazyD

11-16-2010, 01:04 PM

I was speaking facetiously. What does being a Duke Nukem fan have anything to do with what we're talking about? Is it being released on PC for $60? Will I be able to beat an entire level shooting 2 shots? Am I hurting your COD fanboysim?

I'm not a COD fanboy. I tried the Blops single player, and thought it was total shit. I think the gameplay is boring. But I fucking played it, and I'm not railing against it like you, the ignorant troll, won't fucking stop doing. And Duke Nukem has always been the king of spectacle vs. substance, so your claims against Blops and COD in general are just absurd. Just fuck off until you've given it a shot, like you promised to do already.

Dukefrukem

11-16-2010, 01:08 PM

I'm not a COD fanboy. I tried the Blops single player, and thought it was total shit. I think the gameplay is boring. But I fucking played it, and I'm not railing against it like you, the ignorant troll, won't fucking stop doing. And Duke Nukem has always been the king of spectacle vs. substance, so your claims against Blops and COD in general are just absurd. Just fuck off until you've given it a shot, like you promised to do already.

So it sounds like your more angry at yourself for paying $60 for it. My condolences. Your DN point does not work btw.

crazyD

11-16-2010, 01:16 PM

So it sounds like your more angry at yourself for paying $60 for it. My condolences. Your DN point does not work btw.

No, I'm not angry about paying $50 (which is what I paid) for it. Single player sucks, but multiplayer's a lot of fun, and I will play it often at LAN parties. I'm angry about some annoying little troll who won't stop posting in a thread about a game that he supposedly has no interest in, and who won't stop calling other people idiots for playing games they enjoy.

Exodus

11-16-2010, 01:18 PM

You only get to complain if you played the game! Them's the rules!

crazyD

11-16-2010, 01:19 PM

You only get to complain if you played the game! Them's the rules!

Nah, you can complain without playing. Just limit it to one post. Don't continue railing on it forever, and insult people who are happy with their purchase.

Dukefrukem

11-16-2010, 01:32 PM

No, I'm not angry about paying $50 (which is what I paid) for it. Single player sucks, but multiplayer's a lot of fun, and I will play it often at LAN parties. I'm angry about some annoying little troll who won't stop posting in a thread about a game that he supposedly has no interest in, and who won't stop calling other people idiots for playing games they enjoy.

I'm pretty sure I never used a personal attack (unlike you). We comment on videos allllll the time. This is nothing different. There's been countless Activation sucks threads, this is no different.

Orca

11-16-2010, 01:47 PM

You only get to complain if you played the game! Them's the rules!

About how a game PLAYS? Yeah, that doesn't seem like too much to ask. Talking shit about how a game plays when you haven't played it is just flat out trolling.

Then again, so is repeatedly dropping in on a thread about a game you haven't played to say how anyone playing it is a sheep and it sucks. I mean it wouldn't be that bad if the person just said it once to get that incredibly profound viewpoint off their chest and then got the fuck out of the thread, but coming back to keep discussing a game they haven't played? That's just straight up pathetic.

Dukefrukem

11-16-2010, 01:50 PM

About how a game PLAYS? Yeah, that doesn't seem like too much to ask. Talking shit about how a game plays when you haven't played it is just flat out trolling.

Then again, so is repeatedly dropping in on a thread about a game you haven't played to say how anyone playing it is a sheep and it sucks. I mean it wouldn't be that bad if the person just said it once to get that incredibly profound viewpoint off their chest and then got the fuck out of the thread, but coming back to keep discussing a game they haven't played? That's just straight up pathetic.

I'm responding to posts. Is that now trolling to? If you're going to reference someone (me) I'm going to defend myself.... I've said it before I'm stubborn... I don't need to play the game to talk about the things I dislike. Don't get so butt hurt about it...

Karak

11-16-2010, 01:58 PM

Then again, so is repeatedly dropping in on a thread about a game you haven't played to say how anyone playing it is a sheep and it sucks. I mean it wouldn't be that bad if the person just said it once to get that incredibly profound viewpoint off their chest and then got the fuck out of the thread, but coming back to keep discussing a game they haven't played? That's just straight up pathetic.

Ignore lists man:) They were built for situations like you describe. If someone bothers you throw them on there, especially if they are doing what your saying. Even if they are ok 1-2 times they are still a fuckshit and shouldn't even remotely enter your life.

Oh and back on topic. Great game. I am going to hit up MP tonight for the first time and see just how much my skills have deteriorated:(

Exodus

11-16-2010, 02:03 PM

Ignore lists man:) They were built for situations like you describe. If someone bothers you throw them on there, especially if they are doing what your saying. Even if they are ok 1-2 times they are still a fuckshit and shouldn't even remotely enter your life.

Oh and back on topic. Great game. I am going to hit up MP tonight for the first time and see just how much my skills have deteriorated:(

Why Karak...i never knew you felt that way about me....:p

crazyD

11-16-2010, 02:29 PM

I'm pretty sure I never used a personal attack (unlike you). We comment on videos allllll the time. This is nothing different. There's been countless Activation sucks threads, this is no different.

You called everyone who played it a sheep. You pop into a thread just to insult everyone who plays it, then get mad when people insult you? You don't like the game. That's fine. We don't care.

burger

11-16-2010, 03:22 PM

I'm not gonna kill DukeFrukem in his sleep over this but I do take offense at being called a sheep for playing this. I think it's been more than worth the $54 I spent...I enjoy the mechanics of an FPS...I also love great game technology and art direction...this game has it all.

And then to be called a sheep by someone who hasn't even played the game...that's very ignorant because you're not even open to the idea that this game is different from your preconceived notions.

Lance Uppercut

11-16-2010, 03:36 PM

Here's a little anecdote I'd like to share. Black Ops seems to be quite popular where I work. Shit, our rehab director loves it. So does her assistant, and several others. These are grownass women, middle aged professionals. This game has to be doing something right if it can attract people outside the usual core audience. Are these people fucking sheep too?

burger

11-16-2010, 03:53 PM

I think to him someone is a sheep if they disagree with him...he doesn't like game...without even playing it he's come to the conclusion that it sucks....if you disagree with that you're a sheep

pomeroy

11-16-2010, 04:18 PM

I'm surprised people are taking Duke seriously in the first place.

Narradisall

11-17-2010, 06:30 AM

That montage starts to get tiring....

Finally got to play an actual GOOD game of Zombies last night on 'Five'.

I was still learning the ropes, so people were running around with Ray Guns and Freeze Rays while I was still packing a machinegun, but it was GREAT fun. Once you get the teleporters up it can become INSANE fun.

Dukefrukem

11-17-2010, 06:33 AM

You called everyone who played it a sheep. You pop into a thread just to insult everyone who plays it, then get mad when people insult you? You don't like the game. That's fine. We don't care.

I'm not mad that people are insulting me. As I said before, "My anger is towards the people that made this game the biggest opening ever for Activision". It's actually funny to me that people see things as an eye for an eye here (especially butt hurt gamers). "Well you insulted me by saying "this" so I insult you back!" It breaks my heart to realize that you took being called sheep personally it really does...

Now if you'll excuse me, I think I'll go cry a river.

Dukefrukem

11-17-2010, 06:39 AM

I think to him someone is a sheep if they disagree with him...he doesn't like game...without even playing it he's come to the conclusion that it sucks....if you disagree with that you're a sheep

No, the people here have nothing to do with my original statement. This (http://www.examiner.com/console-game-in-st-louis/call-of-duty-black-ops-sales-figures-so-far)is where my sheep comment came from. If you happened to fall into these statistics, well you put yourself there. But my comment was nothing personal to anyone on CoG.

Dukefrukem

11-17-2010, 06:51 AM

I'm done commenting here. I'll play it eventually.

Drayven

11-17-2010, 07:54 AM

No, the people here have nothing to do with my original statement. This (http://www.examiner.com/console-game-in-st-louis/call-of-duty-black-ops-sales-figures-so-far)is where my sheep comment came from. If you happened to fall into these statistics, well you put yourself there. But my comment was nothing personal to anyone on CoG.

You can try to sugar coat it all you like but by making that statement you called everyone that has bought the game 'sheep.' Strangely enough people might take offense to that. Why don't you just crawl back under your bridge and let this conversation be about the game, with comments from people who have played it or have questions about it.

Drayven

11-17-2010, 07:55 AM

Got to log some CTF time last night, I had played it a bit before but it wasn't until I got to play for like an hour straight that it really pulled me in. Not sure I'd want to play it with a bunch of randoms but if you can get a team together it's pretty fun.

Gerbs

11-17-2010, 08:10 AM

CTF gives great XP if you are playing aggressively. You can stick on D and get +100 for a kill, maybe with an additional +100 for objective defense if they get close enough. Let's say you just run across the map and touch the enemy flag for +250. Sure you may die right away but hey just respawn and try again. Basically the only way to not get a ton of XP is to play it while ignoring the flag.

crazyD

11-17-2010, 08:52 AM

I tried playing CTF, but I couldn't figure out how to... well... CTF. I held it many times, and I saw the icon where the flag was that said "Wait" but I waited on that spot, and nothing happened. I did not get credit for a cap or anything. Where do you take the flag after you grab it?

Drayven

11-17-2010, 08:53 AM

If it says wait it means that the enemy has your flag, you can only return the flag when your team is in control of your own flag. So your flag has to be in it's original position and that's where you return the enemy flag to.

crazyD

11-17-2010, 08:59 AM

Ooooooh. All right then, thanks! Unfortunately, this only happened to me near the end of the game, so I was stuck waiting confused while the clock ran down.

Drayven

11-17-2010, 09:00 AM

typically the hardest part is staying alive close to your return point long enough for your team to get your flag back. Sucks when it gets returned then you get killed 2 feet away :P

Exodus

11-17-2010, 09:17 AM

love CTF, it's like...Omg I got the flag i got the flag i got the flag i got the flag. I love that feeling. :)

It's the only thing that I'll ever have in common with a football fan.

Narradisall

11-17-2010, 12:42 PM

I like sheep.

I'm preparing for my Vet playthrough at the weekend I think.

I have covered everything hard and expensive in bubblewrap of pillows and got the swear jar out.

burger

11-17-2010, 01:42 PM

Good luck man!

Shjinta

11-17-2010, 01:53 PM

I just can't get into a decent zombie game. The game either stops and forces me to watch that horrible montage back to the main menu. Or the party lags out.

Gerbs

11-18-2010, 12:11 PM

Sounds like they are seriously considering removing the re-roll/gamble option on SAM and sentry crates with hardline pro. This would be a definite nerf to hardline in general, so abuse this OP perk while you can! Ak74u, hardline pro, steady aim pro, marathon pro. You'll have more dogs and gunships than you can shake a stick at.

Narradisall

11-18-2010, 12:20 PM

Well I started my vet playthrough, and I have to say, I'm a bit bored.

Maybe after doing COD2 and MW1/2 on vet it just seems to clinical. I don't even find myself thinking its a challenge or swearing when I die on one bit for the 10th time, I just sigh and play some zombie mode.

There just doesnt seem to be any heart in it, like they put in the vet mode because its what people expected.

Drayven

11-20-2010, 09:30 PM

I probably find this funnier than I should, it was just some really good timing I guess. I'm not sure why it's so stuttery but you get the idea

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Narradisall

11-22-2010, 06:41 AM

God, I need a decent team for zombies. Teamwork people, we need teamwork!!!

Shjinta

11-22-2010, 07:22 AM

God, I need a decent team for zombies. Teamwork people, we need teamwork!!!

Yeah all i get are Russian speaking players. Or when i finally find a good fucking game. I get randomly disconnected cause the "Black ops servers are down" Fucking pisses me off.

Khrymsyn

11-22-2010, 08:01 AM

I probably find this funnier than I should, it was just some really good timing I guess. I'm not sure why it's so stuttery but you get the idea

Sucks it was only an assist though. lol.

BTW, do you have a capture card to upload that or something?

Drayven

11-22-2010, 08:20 AM

No I was using the built in theater tool on the 360. If you go to theater.callofduty.com you can link up your gamertag, youtube and CoD accounts. Then in the theater you can record the segment you want and when you choose the 'render segment' option or whatever it's called it will upload to youtube.

Drayven

11-23-2010, 08:56 AM

I call this one 'Not on my watch buddy'.

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Gerbs

11-23-2010, 10:45 PM

Nice moves.

Narradisall

11-24-2010, 06:55 AM

Yeah all i get are Russian speaking players. Or when i finally find a good fucking game. I get randomly disconnected cause the "Black ops servers are down" Fucking pisses me off.

I usually get people that don't have mics, or talk at all, or just leave right at the start.

Or wander off and die and then you lose everyone trying to move and save them.

I really enjoy the zombie mode, but only had one good game so far, where we got to wave 19ish I think. Someone had a ray gun, another a freeze gun etc.

I am determined to kill the doctor before he steals my bloody weapon though!

ThievesAmongUs

11-27-2010, 06:15 PM

Holy crap, Treyarch just laid down the law on cheating (http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=341470) !

Glitchers
Users who go out of their way to exploit the game to grief other players. An example would be going outside of the map’s clearly defined playable boundary.

I've never understood why game developers (well, the majority anyway) don't just add a "soft kill" zone that starts at the map's boundary [allowing you to turn back], coupled with a "hard kill" [insta-death] zone under the map geometry. An example of this would be: the radiation field in MW2's Wasteland map.

Narradisall

11-28-2010, 03:40 AM

Finally got back to my Vet playthrough. Annoyingly for some reason the game decided to set my checkpoint back to the start of a mission so I had to go through some silly parts again.

Really highlights the AI problems and such playing through on Vet. It would be nice if they improved the gameplay mechanics a bit now that we are on what the 7th odd one of the series.

Narradisall

11-30-2010, 08:30 AM

Well, vet wasn't nearly as hard as I thought it would be. Couple of choke points early in the game but then it was smooth sailing.

Still, gunna get some zombie fun out of this one before I move onto playing AC:B all the time for the next few weeks.

Fun game, but I can't help but feel it will be my last COD. The series has not really been going anywhere for a while and I doubt it will evolve much in future.

Drayven

12-01-2010, 08:16 AM

Interesting video covering some myths about the multiplayer

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/1040/article/call-of-duty-black-ops-multiplayer-myths-busted/

Gerbs

12-08-2010, 03:32 PM

In case anyone missed the front page post Hardline Pro nerf is awaiting deployment. Gone are the days of getting a gunship, blackbird, and dogs with five kills. Rerolling will be limited to care packages. A good move for sure, but I will miss abusing this.

Satertek

12-27-2010, 08:48 PM

Just started playing and I can't shake how crappy the Soyuz rocket level is:

1) The heat from the launch itself would have killed the entire team
2) The RPG fired would have failed before impacting the rocket due to the extreme heat (unless it had enough fuel to overshoot and come at the rocket from above)
3) 160 tons of rocket fuel a big explosion make

Now for 1 and 2, I know not to expect realism from a Call of Duty game, but I do expect explosions, and it failed miserably even with that.

/rant

Deadend

12-28-2010, 02:04 AM