Killzone 2 Discussion [Archive]

Norse

11-03-2008, 06:43 AM

Druxk

11-03-2008, 08:11 AM

This is one of the few PS3 exclusives I care about. To me this is much more interesting than Resistance 2, which has gone from "might buy" to "won't touch" after seeing the 1up Show's review.

Agreed. I played the Resistance 2 beta at a buddy's house and I thought it was terrible. The controls felt clunky and the visuals were subpar (beta or not). Killzone doesn't exactly "peak" my excitement, but it will definitely be one to check out.

Dukefrukem

11-03-2008, 08:32 AM

How can Killzone 2 not peak your excitement? it's on been the most talking about console game since 2005...

I for one am a little upset at the classes, as badass as they look. Reminds me of TF2 all over again.

Gorvi

11-03-2008, 08:35 AM

This is one of the few PS3 exclusives I care about. To me this is much more interesting than Resistance 2, which has gone from "might buy" to "won't touch" after seeing the 1up Show's review.

I like the style and the graphics look amazing. The story is probably meh, but that doesn't bother me much in shooters. This looks to be one of my first purchases in -09. Delaying it from its -08 date was probably a very wise decision.
I feel the exact opposite: excited for R2 tomorrow, couldn't care much less about KZ2. From what I've played of KZ2 it "feels" right, but the SP and MP just don't look all that compelling to me.

Norse

11-03-2008, 09:53 AM

You're obviously wrong Gorvi, as usual :p

Dukefrukem

01-21-2009, 08:32 AM

Phenomenal

44579

violent

01-21-2009, 08:36 AM

I'm gonna be all over this one. And the word is "piqued" gentlemen. If I play medic, I cannot revive you if you're going to be making such elementary mistakes on the field.

:p

fitbabits

01-21-2009, 08:41 AM

Phenomenal

44579
It's good. I've seen better intros, but I've also seen worse. It does set the scene well, though.

TheEpicOfTyler

01-21-2009, 08:59 AM

This game looks so fantastic. The presentation is top notch, I hope the gameplay holds up.

bapenguin

01-21-2009, 09:05 AM

It's too bad this game has stiff competition...it could have been a contender.

http://www.co-optimus.com/article/1153/Co-Op_Knockout_Blow_-_50_Cent__Blood_on_the_Sand_Better_than_Killzone_2 .html

violent

01-21-2009, 09:10 AM

It's too bad this game has stiff competition...it could have been a contender.

http://www.co-optimus.com/article/1153/Co-Op_Knockout_Blow_-_50_Cent__Blood_on_the_Sand_Better_than_Killzone_2 .html

Somehow I'm finding that one hard to believe.

bapenguin

01-21-2009, 09:18 AM

Somehow I'm finding that one hard to believe.

Sarcasm is your friend. :)

violent

01-21-2009, 09:19 AM

Sarcasm is your friend. :)

Phew. I really didn't want to get into that discussion. Well played.

axion

01-21-2009, 09:20 AM

Somehow I'm finding that one hard to believe.

Better believe or someone's gonna bust a cap in yo ass.

violent

01-21-2009, 09:22 AM

Better believe or someone's gonna bust a cap in yo ass.

You know, I was gonna respond with something witty but am now unable to due to reading your sig before typing. Tell me that is out of context although I don't see how.

Vlad

01-21-2009, 09:23 AM

violent

01-21-2009, 09:26 AM

To me it seems like the killzone franchise is all hype. We didn't stop hearing about how Killzone 1 will be the killer ps2 game that beats halo. etc etc etc. We all know how the first one turned out. I'm not holding my breathe for this game, which is good I suppose. If it winds up good, I'll pick it up.

I've stopped buying games after they've been hyped up awhile back. You end up saving a lot of money and time playing a "killer" game. Reason why I haven't touched R2.

Erm, franchise is all hype then you only mention the bad one? What about the good one, Liberation? Way I see it, they're 50/50. I think people are hyped for this game, not the franchise. Everybody knows that KZ1 blew but that's not what's got everyone excited.

axion

01-21-2009, 09:46 AM

You know, I was gonna respond with something witty but am now unable to due to reading your sig before typing. Tell me that is out of context although I don't see how.

Click on the View Post arrow and all will be revealed.

violent

01-21-2009, 09:49 AM

Click on the View Post arrow and all will be revealed.

You know, I didn't think it was possible but that was legitimate.

Xydarc

01-21-2009, 10:45 AM

I'm getting a "Starship Troopers" vibe from that trailer. Looks good, though.

MalReynolds

01-21-2009, 10:50 AM

im wanna play it but i dont want the hype to get me to excited just b/c ive been disappointed with alot of the hyped games

Dukefrukem

01-21-2009, 02:21 PM

Better believe or someone's gonna bust a cap in yo ass.

I loled .

RandoM51

01-22-2009, 10:18 AM

Goofing around in photoshop today making animated gifs.

http://i43.tinypic.com/13yfo8x.gif

Only a month to go.

cp#

01-22-2009, 03:19 PM

Gold: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56893

Karak

01-22-2009, 03:38 PM

im wanna play it but i dont want the hype to get me to excited just b/c ive been disappointed with alot of the hyped games

Agreed.
I am on the edge for this. Hype kills me every time, so I am purposefully keeping my hopes low. I am excited that another shooter is coming out though, because they happen to be my favorite genre.
The art, I don't like at all but I didn't love Halo's at first either and now its really grown on me.
I am past caring about the graphics of any game and I want to play it now. Then my mind will be made up.

DiBiddilyBop

01-22-2009, 03:47 PM

Those Shacknews shots look shit hot. I feel confident in saying that I'm excited for this game.

menage

01-23-2009, 06:15 AM

Karak

01-23-2009, 09:19 AM

4 reviews so far, 3 of them from official PSM's. All 100% (and one 99%). No doubt this is a good game but that seems rather inflated.

Funny, because my magazine of choice, GamesTM wasn't so positive in it's preview. I do hope for Sony this one lives up.

8's-9's is what I am seeing this morning and those are some good reviews. They all seem to hit on the same positive and negative aspects so I tend to think its pretty right on. Basically from what I am seeing;

Best looking game they have seen
Animation is amazing
Music and effects are ok to great

Long stretches of exactly the same thing ala Halo
Ai seems messy at many times.
Can be boring at times

I see nothing wrong with that stuff. A good solid game and a MUCH needed title. I will rent this for sure and if it has the replay value(no one seems to be saying this in the reviews) I will buy for our work PS3 for sure.

menage

01-23-2009, 09:32 AM

8's-9's is what I am seeing this morning and those are some good reviews. They all seem to hit on the same positive and negative aspects so I tend to think its pretty right on. Basically from what I am seeing;

Best looking game they have seen
Animation is amazing
Music and effects are ok to great

Long stretches of exactly the same thing ala Halo
Ai seems messy at many times.
Can be boring at times

I see nothing wrong with that stuff. A good solid game and a MUCH needed title. I will rent this for sure and if it has the replay value(no one seems to be saying this in the reviews) I will buy for our work PS3 for sure.

8-9 seems far more reasonable than 10/10 with this one. Still good.

I might sit this one out though for a little while until I hear some real player feedback or until it's cheaper. I was watching that Hellgast trailer last night with a friend, and while he said it was pretty, it was also kinda boring to him, I'm afraid I will feel the same if I see those negatives.

Yeti2005

01-23-2009, 11:20 AM

I expect the game to look amazing but I'm a little disturbed to hear the controls feel too loose and floaty. Hopefully that can be fixed in settings menu.

OldJadedGamer

01-23-2009, 01:42 PM

I want to like this game but the gaming message board hype is REALLY turning me off of the game esp on sites like GAF. I'm trying to avoid all media and threads about this game so I can form my own opinions when it comes out.

I've decided to rent it and if it has a good single player and the multiplayer is decent I may just pick it up but I've learned with LBP and Socom that you never... ever should buy a Sony online game the day it comes out.

Karak

01-25-2009, 08:41 PM

I think that if this game had been released as a first year game...things might have been different. This really looks good and at that time it would have sold consoles for sure. Some of the pics look amazing.

I am also ignoring the fucking aiming lag bitching thats going on because if thats true I will be pissed. Typical way to hide framerate issues and I hate that shit. Nothing ruins a game's fun like none response controls. We will see. But if it's got float I am not buying it. I literally can not play those kinds of games.

I wish this could be rolled out to other developers but the problem is even if they roll this engine out to everyone and their mother you have to actually be talented to make the game...somewhat like Unreal 3 based games. So I don't expect many others to achieve this level.

Orca

01-26-2009, 02:06 AM

Gorvi

01-26-2009, 04:33 AM

I want to like this game but the gaming message board hype is REALLY turning me off of the game esp on sites like GAF. I'm trying to avoid all media and threads about this game so I can form my own opinions when it comes out.
Like with GTA4?
I've decided to rent it and if it has a good single player and the multiplayer is decent I may just pick it up but I've learned with LBP and Socom that you never... ever should buy a Sony online game the day it comes out.
Resistance 2 worked fine day 1.

This thread is rather amusing and I don't even give a shit about Killzone.

Dukefrukem

01-26-2009, 09:01 AM

Like with GTA4?

Resistance 2 worked fine day 1.

This thread is rather amusing and I don't even give a shit about Killzone.

I have a feeling Resistance 2 didn't sell nearly as many copies as LBP did. And I'm gonna agree with OldJadedGamer. Sonys rep with online functionality is very poor right now. I don't blame anyone who decides not to buy an online game the day of release after some of teh shit I've been through.

Gorvi

01-26-2009, 09:06 AM

I have a feeling Resistance 2 didn't sell nearly as many copies as LBP did. And I'm gonna agree with OldJadedGamer. Sonys rep with online functionality is very poor right now. I don't blame anyone who decides not to buy an online game the day of release after some of teh shit I've been through.
Actually, sad as it is, R2 sold more than LBP, at least in it's first month. Of course, that was US, not worldwide.

MalReynolds

01-26-2009, 12:01 PM

I think Littlebigplanet was put out in a bad time ... in the rush of Fall games

violent

01-26-2009, 12:38 PM

All said and done, I don't think LBP was that great. I enjoy R2 more than that one.

Dukefrukem

01-26-2009, 01:06 PM

All said and done, I don't think LBP was that great. I enjoy R2 more than that one.

I feel the exact opposite. R2 was a colossal disappointment to me.

violent

01-26-2009, 01:15 PM

I feel the exact opposite. R2 was a colossal disappointment to me.

My comment was more a testament to my feelings of LBP than of R2 actually. Neither of the 2 were goty contender as far as I'm concerned.

Blue

01-26-2009, 01:26 PM

Gorvi

01-26-2009, 01:30 PM

I'm enjoying LBP enough but I'm coming this close to getting rid of R2. I keep trying to get into it and it's just not doing a single thing for me. And I enjoyed the first overall.

As for Killzone: I'm "eh". I'll probably buy it when it drops to a reasonable price.
Have you tried the co-op? The single player was a bit disappointing for me, but the co-op is what makes the game, IMO. I just wish I had time to play it more.

violent

01-26-2009, 01:30 PM

I'm enjoying LBP enough but I'm coming this close to getting rid of R2. I keep trying to get into it and it's just not doing a single thing for me. And I enjoyed the first overall.

As for Killzone: I'm "eh". I'll probably buy it when it drops to a reasonable price.

Things kinda rekindled themselves with me in R2 when I started to play competitive online. Let me know if you're interested in doing a few runs before you sell.

Blue

01-26-2009, 01:33 PM

Have you tried the co-op? The single player was a bit disappointing for me, but the co-op is what makes the game, IMO. I just wish I had time to play it more.

You know, honestly I haven't. I've just been so fed up with it that I just haven't bothered to invest more time into it. Maybe I'll go this route and give it another shake.

Things kinda rekindled themselves with me in R2 when I started to play competitive online. Let me know if you're interested in doing a few runs before you sell.

Actually, that would be great. The beginning of this week is pretty hectic for me but the weekend should level out some. If you'd be game for giving it a go, I certainly would.

violent

01-26-2009, 01:36 PM

Actually, that would be great. The beginning of this week is pretty hectic for me but the weekend should level out some. If you'd be game for giving it a go, I certainly would.

Just let me know. We'll run some co-op too if you're interested.

Gorvi

01-26-2009, 01:38 PM

Just let me know. We'll run some co-op too if you're interested.
I'd be up for that if you guys can get a game together. And my kids sleep.....

violent

01-26-2009, 01:39 PM

I'd be up for that if you guys can get a game together. And my kids sleep.....

What time do they usually hit the bed?

Blue

01-26-2009, 01:43 PM

Just let me know. We'll run some co-op too if you're interested.

I'd be up for that if you guys can get a game together. And my kids sleep.....

I'm absolutely in. Maybe Thursday(ish)? And whatever time works for you all is good on my end most likely.

violent

01-26-2009, 01:45 PM

I'm absolutely in. Maybe Thursday(ish)? And whatever time works for you all is good on my end most likely.

Assuming night would be best seeing as that's Gorvi's availability. You guys just let me know when and I'll make the time.

National Kato

01-26-2009, 01:45 PM

I'm also in...it's been awhile, but I like the co-op. Thursday night sounds fun!

Blue

01-26-2009, 01:46 PM

Thursday night it is then. I need to now track down a headset for my PS3...or I can just take orders.

Gorvi

01-26-2009, 01:47 PM

What time do they usually hit the bed?
I'm normally good by 9ish EST. That's if they're sleeping, but they should be.

violent

01-26-2009, 01:48 PM

So let's plan for 9-ish Thursday?

Blue

01-26-2009, 01:49 PM

Yeah, that should work well for me.

National Kato

01-26-2009, 01:49 PM

Word.

tooshort

violent

01-26-2009, 01:50 PM

Word.

tooshort

You in on this cool cat?

National Kato

01-26-2009, 01:57 PM

Chu' know it.

violent

01-26-2009, 01:57 PM

Straight. That's 4.

Gorvi

01-26-2009, 02:02 PM

Straight. That's 4.
The game has a party system, so we can jump from room to room and not just do 4 people.

Karak

01-26-2009, 02:06 PM

Would it have been 'make you spend $600 plus tax' amazing?
UH no. I actually had A PS3 when it first came out. But got rid of it and use my work one. I would not have got one had I known what it was going to be like.(I actually got a bad one(broke) which is pretty rare but that burned me), In addition to a couple multiplat's running like shit on the PS3 at the time I ended up getting out of the market.

But my work has one so I get to play it...actually I am the only person who ever plays it so I have all the time in the world.

violent

01-26-2009, 02:10 PM

The game has a party system, so we can jump from room to room and not just do 4 people.

I know. I simply mean an organized four.

National Kato

01-26-2009, 02:12 PM

I know. I simply mean an organized four.

Wait, does that mean I can't drink or smoke? ;)

Gorvi

01-26-2009, 02:13 PM

I know. I simply mean an organized four.
Oh, I wasn't implying you didn't, just for anyone who didn't know, it doesn't mean we're limiting ourselves to games of 4.

violent

01-26-2009, 02:13 PM

Wait, does that mean I can't drink or smoke? ;)

Shit, I almost require you do.

Wackman3000

01-26-2009, 02:14 PM

I'm game guys. Can't wait to finally get my hands on this game after all the videos, pictures and articles I have been reading about it. I plan on playing the hell out of this pre-order demo so I'm ready for the real thing as soon as it drops.

You think online stats will be tracked in the demo? I'm Wondering if we will all have to start fresh multiplayer wise once the game officially drops...

Gorvi

01-26-2009, 02:18 PM

Shit, I almost require you do.
I'll have a Guinness, but I quit smoking 2 years ago.

violent

01-26-2009, 02:19 PM

I'll have a Guinness, but I quit smoking 2 years ago.

I'll have a Guinness as well and I quit smoking just about 2 weeks ago.

MalReynolds

01-26-2009, 04:05 PM

what are you gentlemen talking about?

violent

01-26-2009, 04:05 PM

Resistance 2.

DarkDay

01-26-2009, 04:13 PM

Play the PSP game, it is pure, concentrated awesome. The PS2 game, not so much.

Seconded. A big second on that one.

KZ2 looks pretty cool though. Pretend number one didn't exsist until your done and absolutely need some more KZ.

MalReynolds

01-26-2009, 04:14 PM

id be up for R2

violent

01-26-2009, 04:20 PM

9ish EST Thursday.

MalReynolds

01-26-2009, 04:27 PM

cool

Ill be there

OldJadedGamer

01-27-2009, 11:24 AM

I have this pre-ordered but found out today that it doesn't have any matchmaking. That is a major bummer since every game I've played that doesn't have matchmaking sucks online.

I think I'm going to cancel my pre-order and wait for the demo and try out the online from there.

Karak

01-27-2009, 11:50 AM

OldJadedGamer

01-27-2009, 12:09 PM

Wait...r u sure?
That is a deal breaker with me due to the way we are at work.
Where did you find this out?

A game forum then some kid that was in the beta confirmed it. So take it with a grain of salt but no one seemed to dispute it. I really don't think I want to play online if there isn't matchmaking. It's a standard feature now-a-days for any next gen FPS so not having it is a tad bit backwards.

Wackman3000

01-27-2009, 12:49 PM

I have a hard time believing the demo won't have one multiplayer map. I picture the demo being similar to what they did with Battlefield: Bad Company.

If there is no multiplayer, I will be getting my refund back the next day.

Karak

01-27-2009, 01:15 PM

A game forum then some kid that was in the beta confirmed it. So take it with a grain of salt but no one seemed to dispute it. I really don't think I want to play online if there isn't matchmaking. It's a standard feature now-a-days for any next gen FPS so not having it is a tad bit backwards.

Hmmm.
Well I guess I will see.

Siraris

01-27-2009, 01:19 PM

I played quite a few rounds in the beta, I don't remember there being matchmaking (you just searched for a server and joined), but I also enjoyed myself in every game, so I don't know what to tell you. The demo has 2 MP maps, so you can test out MP all you want before you purchase the game.

Dukefrukem

01-27-2009, 03:58 PM

If you guys are playing R2 I want in.

violent

01-27-2009, 03:59 PM

If you guys are playing R2 I want in.

Yeah. Thursday 9ish.

Dukefrukem

01-27-2009, 04:00 PM

Yeah. Thursday 9ish.

Awesome. Bring your headsets.

violent

01-27-2009, 05:35 PM

Demo confirmed single player only..

Dukefrukem

01-27-2009, 07:30 PM

Demo confirmed single player only..

That's fine with me. Been playing the beta for a few months. that's only multiplayer.

Wackman3000

01-27-2009, 08:20 PM

All that means for me is that I'm going to get my pre-order money back a couple weeks earlier than anticipated.

DarkDay

01-27-2009, 08:23 PM

Nowadays I really only care about single on consoles anyways, so its no deal breaker for me even if the multilayer sucks on the full version.

I am patiently awaiting my new pc to get back into true FPS, mouse and keyboard.

Controllers always make me feel handicapped compared to my pc days with q1,2,3, ut's, and all things valve.

Give me epic single player and im so in.

OldJadedGamer

01-27-2009, 09:06 PM

That's fine with me. Been playing the beta for a few months. that's only multiplayer.

So party system or not?

violent

01-27-2009, 09:08 PM

So party system or not?

You know, Resistance 2 is hardly the pinnacle of online gaming and it had a party system. Why this is not a standard is beyond me. Although the fact that PSX games are virtually nonexistent on PSN is beyond me as well.

OldJadedGamer

01-27-2009, 09:22 PM

You know, Resistance 2 is hardly the pinnacle of online gaming and it had a party system. Why this is not a standard is beyond me. Although the fact that PSX games are virtually nonexistent on PSN is beyond me as well.

I know that Resistance 2 has a party system because it's a next gen FPS. That's what I'm saying, it's pretty much the standard now and any game that doesn't have it is taking a step backwards. Still haven't found any solid confirmation for KZ2.

MalReynolds

01-27-2009, 11:53 PM

I think were gonna have a party system for KZ2

Siraris

01-28-2009, 12:01 AM

I know that Resistance 2 has a party system because it's a next gen FPS. That's what I'm saying, it's pretty much the standard now and any game that doesn't have it is taking a step backwards. Still haven't found any solid confirmation for KZ2.

Killzone 2 has a party system. I do not know if it has matchmaking.

Gorvi

01-28-2009, 07:21 AM

For anyone in on the R2 multi on Thursday, if you have slow PSN downloads, there is a 1.4 patch you might want to get beforehand. It's only 26MB, it took me all of 45 seconds to download and install this morning, but just in case.

Dukefrukem

01-28-2009, 09:10 AM

MalReynolds

01-28-2009, 09:22 AM

i wont be able to play :(

Gorvi

01-28-2009, 09:29 AM

i wont be able to play :(
Boo!

Maybe we can make this a semi-regular thing?

Dukefrukem

01-28-2009, 09:30 AM

Boo!

Maybe we can make this a semi-regular thing?

how about we make a damn R2 thread?

Gorvi

01-28-2009, 09:31 AM

how about we make a damn R2 thread?
That might be a good idea. What was this all about again? :p

Wackman3000

01-28-2009, 09:38 AM

Have fun competing against TF2 on Thursdays.

National Kato

01-28-2009, 10:32 AM

Have fun competing against TF2 on Thursdays.

Dude, we're just getting together and playing some co-op. This isn't a regular weekly thing. We're not 'competing.'

OldJadedGamer

01-28-2009, 11:06 AM

how about we make a damn R2 thread?

Is this an R2 thread or a KZ2 thread?

violent

01-29-2009, 03:42 PM

Are we still on for tonight?

Blue

01-29-2009, 03:48 PM

I'm going to try and be. We got slammed at work so I'm going to try and get out early enough to both make it and grab a headset. I may only make it out sans headset so, in that case, someone may need to start issuing orders and I'll jump up and down to say "yes".

I know in Halo if you're not wearing a headset you can hear people through the television. Does the same hold true for R2?

Dukefrukem

01-29-2009, 03:49 PM

Are we still on for tonight?

lol (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=2917&page=2)

more chars

Psykoboy2

01-29-2009, 03:52 PM

It's good. I've seen better intros, but I've also seen worse. It does set the scene well, though.

What are the better ones? Not saying you're wrong. I'm actually interested in seeing better ones than that or similar, cause I loved that.

Siraris

01-31-2009, 01:51 AM

http://www.hiphopgamershow.com/?p=3001

Doin something right finally?

I thought the ad could be done a bit better, but at least they are doing something.

Gorvi

02-02-2009, 06:49 AM

UK demo on Thursday (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/euro-killzone-2-demo-on-thursday), so if you don't feel like preordering, there ya go.

I'll give it a shot, though there's not a chance in hell I'm buying it.

RandoM51

02-02-2009, 07:00 AM

Might have to whip up a uk psnid.

Yeti2005

02-02-2009, 07:23 AM

Gorvi

02-02-2009, 07:30 AM

Thanks for the info Gorvi. Just out of curious why don't you think you'll buy Killzone 2?
Eh, no interest really. The game looks graphically amazing, but I'm not that big on FPSs that I need to go buy it right away. I'll probably play it eventually, but I don't need another FPS right now by any means. I've got R2 for my co-op and I still need to finish Half Life 2 and (well, by now, restart) Bioshock.

RandoM51

02-02-2009, 07:35 AM

US review embargo drops today I believe, expect another bunch of reviews.

National Kato

02-02-2009, 08:28 AM

Okay, I'm officially going into media lockdown on KZ2. I just watched the new vids up on GT and holy jesus it looks awesome. I've now seen mech gameplay, turret gameplay, environments where it's not at all brown and dull...the game just looks epic, visually.

If the gameplay matches, this may be a strong start to 2009.

DarkDay

02-02-2009, 08:45 AM

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44980.html

Tell me this doesn't remind you of cod4, theres others out their also that are reminiscent of it.

Watched everything I have been able to find.

1.Looks very well put together, a real sense of scale and frantic as all hell, which looks great.
2. Art is not my style, but still decent, love the atmosphere and the dense smoke and particle affects.
3. textures are terrible, seem 1st gen though I don't think it will matter as it does't look like there will be time to stop and smell the flowers.
4. Reminds of a cod4 add on with a scifi theme. Almost too much excpet for a few levels I have seen.
5.From the video controls don't look floaty to me, but then that's a tough one to gauge off of videos, I do like the speed of the run.
6. Animations still look really kick ass.

I will buy this now for sure, feb is ps3 month for me, but I still say as good as it looks its a step behind in the tech compared to what I was lead to believe it was supposed to be. That being said still looks top notch and for me its about the frantic gameplay and epic feel which this looks to have in spades.

DarkDay

02-02-2009, 08:46 AM

Mortis

02-02-2009, 09:10 AM

I'm going to borrow my Dad's PS3 and give this a go. Is it easy to create a UK ID for grabbing the demo?

Gorvi

02-02-2009, 09:20 AM

I'm going to borrow my Dad's PS3 and give this a go. Is it easy to create a UK ID for grabbing the demo?
It's very easy, just find an address in the UK to use and you're set.

Mortis

02-02-2009, 09:45 AM

It's very easy, just find an address in the UK to use and you're set.

Cool, if the MP is great I may go ahead and buy a PS3. I guess I will have to wait for the game to come out to see, the demo is SP only yes? I'm very tempted by the Pioneer BDP-51FD which is going for $275 right now since it's a better blu-ray player than the PS3, but there are a couple other games on the PS3 I would like to play in addition to KZ2.

Anyone play the MP beta? How was it?

OldJadedGamer

02-02-2009, 10:01 AM

US review embargo drops today I believe, expect another bunch of reviews.

I kind of figured that IGN paid for the exclusive US review. It will be good to see other opinions that haven't been paid for in advance.

Yeti2005

02-02-2009, 11:23 AM

I kind of figured that IGN paid for the exclusive US review. It will be good to see other opinions that haven't been paid for in advance.

Joystiq released their single player review (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/02/joystiq-review-killzone-2-single-player). It was definitely a positive review but quotes like this give me pause:

"In its first few hours, in terms of weapons, enemies and narrative, Killzone 2 designer Guerilla Games seems as if it's constantly making the most generic choice possible, and honestly, it was enough to put me off at first. Nearly every Helghast is the same perambulating black blob with red eyes, every weapon feels like something you've played with before."

and

"Between great mechanics and being a visual treat, Killzone 2 should be easy to recommend -- and it is, to those who are willing to put the time in to discover all its charms."

Personally, I don't really want to have to put time into a game to have it grow on me or get used to certain aspects of the game. Great games grab you from the start. Anyway, I'll give it shot with the demo.

Karak

02-02-2009, 11:31 AM

Personally, I don't really want to have to put time into a game to have it grow on me or get used to certain aspects of the game. Great games grab you from the start. Anyway, I'll give it shot with the demo.

I think its sort of a simple choice. If you are a graphics whore, you will play through and find the fun. If you are not it might be a bit harder. But since its harder and harder to become impressed or see massive differences between games anymore, some people may miss out on this.
I am getting one friend into gaming and he kept saying "This and that game is the best looking game ever" as I loaded each one up. And it dawned on me that this is the kind of person who may not make it through Killzone as he probably is amazed by everything and fun will be his deciding factor and who knows what is fun to him.
No matter what, time, resources, and development have gone into this title. No matter how it pans out it will show that with enough of those items you can make a stellar game on the PS3. It won't be recreated by everyone, maybe 1% of the developers have this kind of perfect storm of situations, but at least we get to see the fruits of it.

Wackman3000

02-02-2009, 11:37 AM

Joystiq released their single player review (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/02/joystiq-review-killzone-2-single-player). It was definitely a positive review but quotes like this give me pause:

"In its first few hours, in terms of weapons, enemies and narrative, Killzone 2 designer Guerilla Games seems as if it's constantly making the most generic choice possible, and honestly, it was enough to put me off at first. Nearly every Helghast is the same perambulating black blob with red eyes, every weapon feels like something you've played with before."

Half Life 2 is similar in that aspect, but I love that game to death. I don't need a big variety of enemy types in a fps as long as the AI is intelligent and reacts to me or we get into engaging firefights. Crysis is another that doesn't have much variety it terms of enemy, but again the firefights are fun and they react accordingly.

OldJadedGamer

02-02-2009, 12:53 PM

Joystiq released their single player review (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/02/joystiq-review-killzone-2-single-player). It was definitely a positive review but quotes like this give me pause:

Personally, I don't really want to have to put time into a game to have it grow on me or get used to certain aspects of the game. Great games grab you from the start. Anyway, I'll give it shot with the demo.

Sounds like they think it's a rental to check out how pretty it is but doesn't really have any substance. Looking forward to more real reviews to come though. I think I'm going to buy it, quickly run though it, then sell it. Seems like it will be a title that is hard to get a hold of rental wise but it will keep it's resale value so the turn around will not cost me that much at all.

quidmonkey

02-02-2009, 12:58 PM

First overrated (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/killzone2) game of 2009?

/whistles

violent

02-02-2009, 01:02 PM

First overrated (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/killzone2) game of 2009?

/whistles

I fail to see what your point is. Unless it's the idea that you are looking at user reviews as a factor in gauging a game that isn't yet released. But that would simply be stupid.

Kelegacy

02-02-2009, 01:10 PM

Man, the reviews I keep seeing have me hungry as a FPS fan. While I haven't read one (that I can remember) that liken it to a Halo-killer--which is a smart move--some have gone on to say it's the best FPS on any console ever. While potential hyperbole, it has me intrigued. I bought Halo 3 at launch expecting the next-gen coming, but was ultimately disappointed in nearly every respect. I might feel the same way with Killzone, but for some reason I doubt it. And it's good news that the multiplayer is satisfyingly deep, especially to make the game "worth it" after the endgame.

Variable Gear

02-02-2009, 01:12 PM

First overrated (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/killzone2) game of 2009?

/whistles
Well, yeah, I'd expect the average to come down as more reviews go up, but I agree that KZ2 is overrated.

Gorvi

02-02-2009, 01:17 PM

Well, yeah, I'd expect the average to come down as more reviews go up, but I agree that KZ2 is overrated.
How would you know that a game you haven't played is overrated?

Variable Gear

02-02-2009, 01:21 PM

How would you know that a game you haven't played is overrated?
How about this then: "Killzone 2 appears to be overrated."

DarkDay

02-02-2009, 01:22 PM

With the recession in full swing these scores can't hurt, hope it is as good as they say and its not clouded by the hype and beginning of the year drought of games.

I personally could care less for reviews, though I do enjoy the gametrailer reviews.
Can't wait to see what people here think of it. That is the only review I really care about.

Gorvi

02-02-2009, 01:23 PM

How about this then: "Killzone 2 appears to be overrated."
The gods of semantics have been appeased.

OldJadedGamer

02-02-2009, 01:33 PM

MTV's multiplayer "review" is up. Repeating the same thing others have said outside of the paid exclusive reviews. Very pretty but run of the mill:

You’ve played this game before.

It’s got a train level, a bridge level, a section where you wield an unstoppable weapon, a clipped ending and other elements that make it advisable to not play this game immediately after one plays “Resistance 2,” “Gears of War,” “Gears of War 2,” “Call of Duty IV: Modern Warfare,” “Half-Life 2,” “Halo 2.” And there are other games it reminds me of, but to name them would be to spoil other elements of “Killzone 2″ that you don’t want to know about in advance.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/02/02/killzone-2-it-may-look-too-good-a-review-of-sorts/

Psykoboy2

02-02-2009, 01:39 PM

It’s got a train level, a bridge level, a section where you wield an unstoppable weapon, a clipped ending and other elements that make it advisable to not play this game immediately after one plays “Resistance 2,” “Gears of War,” “Gears of War 2,” “Call of Duty IV: Modern Warfare,” “Half-Life 2,” “Halo 2.” And there are other games it reminds me of, but to name them would be to spoil other elements of “Killzone 2″ that you don’t want to know about in advance.

SOLD! I'll take it!

bapenguin

02-02-2009, 01:42 PM

I could go for a mindless shooter that looks gorgeous.

violent

02-02-2009, 01:46 PM

So who's starting up the clan?

OldJadedGamer

02-02-2009, 01:51 PM

I could go for a mindless shooter that looks gorgeous.

I did Gears2, CODwaw, and Left 4 Dead last year but by the time KZ2 comes out, I'll have enough of a break to look at it with fresh eyes. As long as the gameplay is decent, I think it will be fine.

This seems like the type of game that in a year people are talking about it's graphics, not it's gameplay. Sony needs this, they need to show what the PS3 can do graphics wise and this game looks like it's going to fill those shoes.

DarkDay

02-02-2009, 02:02 PM

I could go for a mindless shooter that looks gorgeous.

Thats what im thinking, still think the textures look like crap from what I have seen, but everything else is looking top notch. I haven't heard anything about the audio yet, but from the look of the frantic gameplay im betting its tasty.

Variable Gear

02-02-2009, 02:48 PM

This seems like the type of game that in a year people are talking about it's graphics, not it's gameplay. Sony needs this, they need to show what the PS3 can do graphics wise and this game looks like it's going to fill those shoes.
Didn't MGS4 already show what the PS3 could do graphics-wise? :confused:

OldJadedGamer

02-02-2009, 02:52 PM

Didn't MGS4 already show what the PS3 could do graphics-wise? :confused:

I think that game was more of a showcase in the movie playback ability. The actual real gameplay graphics weren't leaps and bounds above other titles but more norm for the time of release to big budget games.

Another real review in. Computer and Videogames: 8.7

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=206497

National Kato

02-02-2009, 02:55 PM

From that Computer & Video Games review, something that ought to make a few individuals who've posted in this thread much happier:

The AI that powers your Helghast foes is great. They never run at you mindlessly, or stand there waiting for a bullet to the face. They run for cover, ducking down before you get a chance to pick them off.

The common trick in games is to aim at an enemy's point of cover and wait for them to stick their heads out, but if they know you're doing that the cheeky buggers stay tucked in, blind-firing in your direction. You'll have to flush them out with a grenade.

But grenades have to be thrown strategically because enemies will consistently move out of harm's way if they notice your attack - usually legging it to another cover point. On the reverse, if you dig your heels in behind a cover point they'll attempt to flush you out with their own flurry of explosives.

Dukefrukem

02-02-2009, 02:56 PM

AI sounds wonderful. I hope it's nothing like Resistance 2 or COD World at War.

Gorvi

02-02-2009, 02:57 PM

I think that game was more of a showcase in the movie playback ability. The actual real gameplay graphics weren't leaps and bounds above other titles but more norm for the time of release to big budget games.

Another real review in. Computer and Videogames: 8.7

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=206497
Didn't you say you hadn't played MGS4? That game has some damn impressive ingame visuals, more impressive than maybe a small handful of games, on any platform.

OldJadedGamer

02-02-2009, 02:58 PM

Didn't you say you hadn't played MGS4? That game has some damn impressive ingame visuals, more impressive than maybe a small handful of games, on any platform.

I downloaded the demo. Were the graphics different in the full version?

violent

02-02-2009, 04:37 PM

I love when people don't let other people like things.

MalReynolds

02-02-2009, 04:43 PM

already have UK account so ill be waitin for Thursday instead of Pre-ordering from EB who i hate with a passion

Gorvi

02-02-2009, 06:16 PM

I downloaded the demo. Were the graphics different in the full version?
Not that I can recall. Are you implying that the game had average or mediocre visuals? You'd be the first person I've seen with that opinion.

MalReynolds

02-02-2009, 06:34 PM

Thursday can come soon enough

DarkDay

02-02-2009, 07:32 PM

Didn't you say you hadn't played MGS4? That game has some damn impressive ingame visuals, more impressive than maybe a small handful of games, on any platform.

From what I have seen thus far of the games on the ps3 and all the vids I can get a hold of with kz2 I would rate it like this.

1. Uncharted
2. MGS4
3. Kz2

All seem very close, all very different so its almost pointless to pit them together. Considering how good they all are in that aspect its a win for everyone.

MGS4 is polished to all hell, drab yes, but technically great and love the style, and managed to keep the textures up, and thats a biggie to me.

KZ2 has what looks to be tons going on so it gets a nod even though the textures look flat and washed while everything else looks great. I wonder though if MGS and Uncharted and even cod4 can do textures so dam good why not KZ2? Perhaps it had to take a hit there to get everything moving.
Won't know till I play it I guess.

Uncharted- just not a fan of the art design but from a tech stand point on all fronts it looks incredible to my eyes.

Uncharted is the one game visually that imo (even though very different) matches Gears punch for punch in straight up tech.
I have no doubt Uncharted 2 will do the same with Gears 2, if not even push past it a bit.

OldJadedGamer

02-02-2009, 07:49 PM

GameTrailers review is up. 9.2. Careful when watching though as they give out some pretty big spoilers in the video review.

Not that I can recall. Are you implying that the game had average or mediocre visuals? You'd be the first person I've seen with that opinion.

No, I said:

The actual real gameplay graphics weren't leaps and bounds above other titles but more norm for the time of release to big budget games.

I said the graphics were on par with other AAA big budget titles at the time. KZ2 looks to surpass these games and looks to show a game that for the first time looks like it can't be done on the 360.

Variable Gear

02-02-2009, 07:51 PM

I love when people don't let other people like things.
There's nothing wrong with liking something like Killzone 2, but I am irked by those who think it's fresh.

Also, here's a video from Stephen Totilo of MTV's Multiplayer Blog talking about Killzone 2 (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/02/02/lunchtime-video-killzone-2-thoughts-comparing-similar-campaigns/).

Sorry to those viewers in Canada and the UK, because you're locked out of these videos.

violent

02-02-2009, 07:58 PM

There's nothing wrong with liking something like Killzone 2, but I am irked by those who think it's fresh.

Also, here's a video from Stephen Totilo of MTV's Multiplayer Blog talking about Killzone 2 (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/02/02/lunchtime-video-killzone-2-thoughts-comparing-similar-campaigns/).

Sorry to those viewers in Canada and the UK, because you're locked out of these videos.

It irks me when people say that oranges aren't delicious but it would be my error for caring about it. Some people think Britany Spears is a musician. Some people think pork is disgusting. Some people think reading is stupid. Let them think what they want, it would be a wasted life trying to enlighten them.

Then again, I like the Van Damme Street Fighter movie. I don't need any reasons to validate that choice, I simply do.

Nura

02-02-2009, 08:02 PM

Sounds like a good game, it's preordered now :)

Virtual Machine

02-02-2009, 08:02 PM

It irks me when people say that oranges aren't delicious but it would be my error for caring about it. Some people think Britany Spears is a musician. Some people think pork is disgusting. Some people think reading is stupid. Let them think what they want, it would be a wasted life trying to enlighten them.

Then again, I like the Van Damme Street Fighter movie. I don't need any reasons to validate that choice, I simply do.

"Who wants to go home? And who WANTS TO GO WIT ME!!!!!?"

I liked Killzone immensely, and wasn't big on Killzone: Liberation - this game has you traipsing around in a fucking mech. I will love it. It's pretty much a guarantee at this point. The facts that it actually DOES look drop-dead gorgeous and play extremely well are just bonuses at this point. ;)

DarkDay

02-02-2009, 08:05 PM

GameTrailers review is up. 9.2. Careful when watching though as they give out some pretty big spoilers in the video review.

No, I said:

I said the graphics were on par with other AAA big budget titles at the time. KZ2 looks to surpass these games and looks to show a game that for the first time looks like it can't be done on the 360.

Thats funny.

Karak

02-02-2009, 08:17 PM

Virtual Machine

02-02-2009, 08:21 PM

Gametrailers video is fucking bad. Killzone does not look that bad. That was the wrong choice. One thing is the textures do indeed look pretty fucking horrible, but man lots of shit going on and people seem to think if you can get past the first parts its a good time.
Our PS3 is broken so it falls on Gears 2 to get my gaming groove for the next couple months. But when we get it fixed I am all over this.

Yeah, I attribute the harshness of the video to the fact that all that's available currently is the flash version, which usually suffers next to the wmv. I can't wait to download the media player version and stream it to the tele, that's usually where i get a more fair indication. Or i could just wait until Thursday and play the demo (which is apparently cut from the same build released to journalists in December.)

OldJadedGamer

02-02-2009, 10:10 PM

Thats funny.

"It's funny because it's true" - Homer Simpson

DarkDay

02-03-2009, 01:05 AM

Its also funny because you actually invoked the it might not be able to be done on the 360 fanboy fodder an in one post almost null and voided anything you may have written or may write.;)

For shame. I thought we were past that, and if you were to use an example and go for the flame fest I think there are better examples.

Gorvi

02-03-2009, 03:38 AM

No, I said:

I said the graphics were on par with other AAA big budget titles at the time.
Even still, the game was a step above what we'd seen at that point. Maybe a few games that came out this Fall got close to what it did, but that level of detail and polish still hasn't been matched.

DarkDay

02-03-2009, 04:03 AM

Even still, the game was a step above what we'd seen at that point. Maybe a few games that came out this Fall got close to what it did, but that level of detail and polish still hasn't been matched.

I disagree with this, I think MGS4 looks incredible, but I think Gears 2 looks better.
But thats my opinion, your gods of semantics are asleep as your post comes off as fact while its not. Just opinions.

Either way they both look great, and from what I have seen I still think they both look a touch better than KZ2. Just from what I have seen though.

Gorvi

02-03-2009, 04:46 AM

DarkDay

02-03-2009, 04:57 AM

Gears 2 does look fantastic, but that came out 6 months later. ;)

I haven't played it yet, though I plan on it some day. Still, I find it hard to believe that the same attention to detail (not just pure graphical detail) was there, or with most other games. MGS4 was a work of obsession, it's obvious when you play it.

From a visual standpoint Gears 2 looked better to me regardless of "attention to detail" and in the end I don't need a tech sheet, I just need my eyes and to be pleased, also the 6 month thing is moot as one could argue that it was in development for longer, or it could be argued that Gears already had the engine.

Its all about the eyes and too me Gears was prettier, but they both look so good it really is a pointless argument, but fun to do so sometimes.:)

Gorvi

02-03-2009, 06:03 AM

From a visual standpoint Gears 2 looked better to me regardless of "attention to detail" and in the end I don't need a tech sheet, I just need my eyes and to be pleased, also the 6 month thing is moot as one could argue that it was in development for longer, or it could be argued that Gears already had the engine.

Its all about the eyes and too me Gears was prettier, but they both look so good it really is a pointless argument, but fun to do so sometimes.:)
I think it really comes down to a matter of taste, but yeah, both do look great.

DarkDay

02-03-2009, 06:04 AM

I think it really comes down to a matter of taste, but yeah, both do look great.

True story.

menage

02-03-2009, 07:21 AM

I'm glad there's a demo next thursday. Cause after that Gametrailers review I'm on the fence again. That's a fucking lot of brown. Hell even Gears 2 understood the need for some different locales, and that was the king of grey. Being a sp gamer I think I will get 1 week out of this (max) and will never touch it again.

Yeti2005

02-03-2009, 07:53 AM

I'm glad there's a demo next thursday. Cause after that Gametrailers review I'm on the fence again.

I think a lot of people are feeling a little bit of indecision based on footage and the reviews. Personally my expectations have dropped so I'm thinking/hoping I'll be pleased.

National Kato

02-03-2009, 10:32 AM

I'm glad there's a demo next thursday. Cause after that Gametrailers review I'm on the fence again. That's a fucking lot of brown.

I don't want to spoil things for you, but there are additional GT vids and some French Jeux Video vids that show non-brown environments.

OldJadedGamer

02-03-2009, 11:08 AM

I disagree with this, I think MGS4 looks incredible, but I think Gears 2 looks better.
But thats my opinion, your gods of semantics are asleep as your post comes off as fact while its not. Just opinions.

Either way they both look great, and from what I have seen I still think they both look a touch better than KZ2. Just from what I have seen though.

My personal opinion is that after owning both systems and booting up all the best games for either one, I have yet to see a game on PS3 that I feel couldn't be done on the 360 if the same developer worked on it.

I'm hearing that KZ2 may be this game, but I'll find out for myself on Thursday when I boot up the demo. My point was that Sony needs a game like this that looks like it can only be done on the PS3 from a PR standpoint and this could be it but time will tell when everyone gets a chance to put their hands on it and form their own opinions.

Edit: When are the other major US sites putting up their reviews?

menage

02-03-2009, 12:38 PM

I don't want to spoil things for you, but there are additional GT vids and some French Jeux Video vids that show non-brown environments.

Well, better to be spoiled if that makes the 60 buck investment something you're sure about. Tnx, I'll check further.

BlackPete

02-03-2009, 01:10 PM

About time a demo's coming out. Then we'll see whether the hype can match reality... I'm not very optimistic, but hey I haven't played the beta, so I'll wait and see.

OldJadedGamer

02-03-2009, 03:02 PM

BlackPete

02-03-2009, 03:44 PM

UGO review is up who now owns 1up.com and it got a B+

http://gamesblog.ugo.com/index.php/gamesblog/more/killzone_2_review_ps3/

"Killzone 2 is a tale of two cities. There’s the campaign, which is a fine but forgettable jaunt through a series of FPS clichés. And then there’s the multiplayer, which is a slick, addictive experience that’s not to be missed. In the end it just depends on what you’re looking for."

Hm. I was disappointed they didn't elaborate on the enemy AI as quite honestly that's the big thing I'm interested in. I don't care too much about a story (in a FPS), nor eye candy (to a certain extent), but if the AI and physics aren't awesome, then it's just a YAFPS to me.

Sites seem pretty mixed in this regard: One site has glowing things to say about the AI, while this site seemed fairly meh on it:

Unfortunately once you get past the presentation, the gameplay in the campaign has a distinct been-there-done-that feeling. All of the levels have the same red-eyed warriors charging at you with little variation, and the game’s scenarios feel like they’re ripped from War FPS 101. The overall experience is on the level of Call of Duty 3‘s campaign, with none of the levels really sticking out in my mind. And perhaps the really unfortunate thing, it’s usually more frustrating than fun. Most of the weapons aren’t terribly useful, taking way too many shots to bring down an enemy, the cover system requires utilizing a difficult-to-master control scheme and your AI buddies are about as useless as, well, most AI buddies.

I'll play the demo but I'll probably hold off until I hear more favorable things about the enemy AI from you guys for the full version.

Dukefrukem

02-03-2009, 03:56 PM

Variable Gear

02-03-2009, 03:56 PM

The multiplayer sounds awesome, though (http://gamesblog.ugo.com/index.php/gamesblog/more/killzone_2_review_ps3/).

The most innovative aspect of Killzone 2‘s multiplayer is that you can play multiple game modes within the same round. The game will start with a deathmatch varient and once a team hits a certain kill count the game will instantly jump to Assassination, then to Search and Destroy then to CTF, all without a single load screen. Compare that to folks constantly playing HQ over and over again in Call of Duty and you begin to see the draw. There’s always something new happening and you don’t need to keep changing your server to get more variety.

There’s also an extreme level of customization. Don’t like Search and Destroy? Just take it out of the rotation. You can change all the major and minor aspects of your multiplayer match before hosting, so you’ll probably see a lot of people falling into similar modes and maps, but the choice is really up to you.

Ranking up is also a big part of the multiplayer, allowing you to unlock new weapons and abilities. You gain ranks by earning points in matches, basically doing your job as a medic or an engineer or a sniper. There are also badges that will give you passive abilities such as spawning with increased grenades or ammo, and these are earned by completing certain challenges (like finishing 8 rounds without any friendly fire damage).

On top of all that, there’s an intricate clan system, tournament system and a website dedicated to tracking it all. No shooter has provided this level of community features and there’s little question that this sort of support will ensure a strong following, at least until Killzone 3 comes out.

BlackPete

02-03-2009, 05:27 PM

"In the end it just depends on what you’re looking for."

I find it hard to argue with that, though.

OldJadedGamer

02-03-2009, 06:05 PM

1up.com review is up. Gave it an A.

Shooters have replaced fighting games as the most over-saturated genre in gaming today, and it's increasingly difficult to stand out from the crowd. However, with its unparalleled graphics, incredibly well-paced single-player campaign and in-depth multiplayer offerings, Killzone 2 has established its place among top-tier console shooters. Expectations on Killzone 2 had reached ridiculous proportions; here's one of those cases where the game actually lived up to them.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3172594

Dukefrukem

02-03-2009, 07:00 PM

I find it hard to argue with that, though.

Thats my whole point.

BlackPete

02-03-2009, 08:15 PM

It's gotten enough reviews to gain a metacritic score (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/killzone2?q=killzone%202) now... 94 so far.

menage

02-04-2009, 02:40 AM

Well, just preordered it. Not because I was sure, but because Play.com offered it for 39 euro's, which saves me 25.

Also, for all you EU gamers out there. Resi 5 is 45 over there, and SFIV and Battle Fantasia 37 and 30 something. Great deals I must say.

National Kato

02-04-2009, 08:03 AM

So, I take it Gabe and Tycho like Killzone 2? :D

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4768/pakz2jx4.jpg

RandoM51

02-04-2009, 08:38 AM

My personal opinion is that after owning both systems and booting up all the best games for either one, I have yet to see a game on PS3 that I feel couldn't be done on the 360 if the same developer worked on it.

Thinking that KZ2 could be done on 360 must be small consolation next to knowing that it never will be.

I suppose comparisons like this come up from each camp so the particular followers aren't left thinking the other console has demonstrably proven abilities that their own beloved platform doesn't have and never will?

Both platforms have great looking games, and on ps3 the games that come close to KZ2 are going to be very few and very far between because few publishers/developers outside of Sony themselves are going to invest the time and money it takes to make such a game.

Telefrog

02-04-2009, 09:09 AM

Wow. Tom Chick was unkind to KZ2 (http://fidgit.com/archives/2009/02/killzone-2-and-the-five-foot-s.php).

It's indicative of how there's nothing creative or engaging or even moderately interesting in Killzone 2. Yeah, sure, it's a great looking game with a hefty combat feel, an intuitive cover system, and lots of blood spatters on the lens to show you're hurt (although the effect is less of being wounded and more of needing windshield wipers). This is an impressive engine and the graphics are - I think I'm prepared to go ahead and say this - the most technically impressive I've seen on the Playstation 3.

But it just kills my interest level that the developers haven't done anything interesting with this wonderful engine. Killzone 2 consist of hemmed in shantytowns, sewers, streets, an industrial area, a bridge, a crane, and even a brief Matrix-inspired lobby. In other words, nothing I haven't seen before. It's atmospheric, with swirling wind, clouds overhead, and lots of smoke and dust, but it's otherwise static, soulless, and entirely uninteresting, the setting for prosaic Call of Duty firefight after prosaic Call of Duty firefight. Exploding barrels and out-of-place exploding electro-spiders are as dynamic as these levels get. I go all the way to a whole other planet, and this is what I find? Retreads of the same places I've been fighting on Earth all along?

The writing is terrible. Godawful terrible. It's slightly better than Too Human and slightly worse than Gears of War 2, which is saying a lot because Gears of War 2 was laughably bad. The Sixaxis gimmicks are just stupid. Stop, Sony. Just stop. You're making the Sixaxis a joke when I have to use it as a pair of grasping hands turning a valve during a firefight. It's even more of a joke when I have to do it after the firefight's over.

Rough.

Wackman3000

02-04-2009, 10:17 AM

I'll take a review like that with a grain of salt when I've read 10 others that completely contradict it.

Telefrog

02-04-2009, 10:55 AM

I'll take a review like that with a grain of salt when I've read 10 others that completely contradict it.

I do too for the most part, but for two things.

1) I've agreed with Chick on most of his reviews.

2) I think many of us have learned that super-early positive reviews of super-hyped titles can be a bit suspect. Frankly, the level of hype and fanboy raving over KZ2 makes it a prime suspect for a GTA IV style pass from most reviewers.

Karak

02-04-2009, 11:09 AM

I do too for the most part, but for two things.

1) I've agreed with Chick on most of his reviews.

2) I think many of us have learned that super-early positive reviews of super-hyped titles can be a bit suspect. Frankly, the level of hype and fanboy raving over KZ2 makes it a prime suspect for a GTA IV style pass from most reviewers.

I feel exactly the same on #2.
Hype for everything, Halo 3, GTA4 and now this reaches a fever pitch and I am seeing the same damn things in other reviews but the score is not effected.
Story blah
levels blah
gameplay blah
graphics freaking awesome.
In that respect NOTHING has changed except this is the first time the PS3 has a game deserving of the treatment.
And for me thats a good thing. I understand that games that come anywhere near this that isn't from a super large super resource heavy company is going to be few and far between. So I will take Killzone as a beautiful but shallow woman. I will enjoy and then probably never return.
But will always have fond memories.

Yeti2005

02-04-2009, 11:16 AM

I'll take a review like that with a grain of salt when I've read 10 others that completely contradict it.

Actually that's not true. Almost every review states that game looks amazing but has a very, very generic feel to it. The story is average, the voice acting is terrible, and there's not a lot of variety of weapons or enemies. The shining star in each review is the graphics and the multiplayer. In the end, it sounds like no one will remember the single player but the multiplayer could keep people around.

OldJadedGamer

02-04-2009, 11:19 AM

2) I think many of us have learned that super-early positive reviews of super-hyped titles can be a bit suspect. Frankly, the level of hype and fanboy raving over KZ2 makes it a prime suspect for a GTA IV style pass from most reviewers.

Bingo. Never forget GTA4's "Oscar worthy script".

Telefrog

02-04-2009, 11:27 AM

Apparently, Tom Chick isn't the lone voice of dissension after all. Crispygamer doesn't much care for it (http://www.crispygamer.com/gamereviews/2009-02-04/killzone-2-ps3.aspx).

Like an accountant doing your taxes, Killzone 2, developed by Guerilla Games, dutifully meets these criteria. Valves were turned. Charges were planted. Mech-things were driven. And despite the fact that all these things are done with great enthusiasm, high production values and lots of terrific-looking explosions, yawns were still yawned.

[...]

It's not really OK in the year 2009 to make an FPS that includes C4-planting and sniper rifle-finding, and valve-turning. But Killzone 2 is not the only game that's guilty of employing these tired, overused tropes. (See my F.E.A.R. 2: Project Origin review later this month.)

But what's far from OK -- and those idiotic glow-eyes and elevator-rafts illustrate this -- is the fact that Killzone 2 presents an unbelievable, utterly unconvincing world. Killzone 2's greatest sin isn't its lack of imagination and use of clichés; it's that coolness and spectacle are important while common sense and credibility are not.

Also, Crispy's Games For Lunch (http://www.crispygamer.com/columns/2009-02-03/games-for-lunch-killzone-2.aspx) wasn't won over.

BlackPete

02-04-2009, 11:30 AM

Wow. Tom Chick was unkind to KZ2 (http://fidgit.com/archives/2009/02/killzone-2-and-the-five-foot-s.php).

Rough.

I've learned not to underestimate Tom Chick. I remember when Master of Orion 3 was gaining glowing reviews (including IGN) and fanboys were going nuts over this... until Tom Chick DARED to put out a negative review that cast a stain on the Holy Grain that was Master of Orion 3. Lots of people on the forums were calling for his blood, etc.

Of course once the game shipped and everyone got to see it for what it was... well... Tom Chick was right.

I'll take what he says with a grain of salt but I'll also definitely listen to the guy and take a wait-and-see approach on this one.

RandoM51

02-04-2009, 11:42 AM

"I'd say it's only 90% bad." -Tom Chick, talking about Deus Ex.

Bingo. Never forget GTA4's "Oscar worthy script".

But definitely forget that those GTA reviews involved being sequestered in a hotel room with Take 2 minders the week before the game was released. If you don't conveniently forget that you might then have to compare and contrast how KZ2 reviewers got review code almost two months in advance and the media embargo was lifted a month or more in advance.

People comparing this review situation to GTA IV's review situation are either a) ignorant, b) students of revisionist history, c) trolling, or d) all of the above.

Trying to shoot down or raise up individual reviews at this point is kind of silly. There was a MP beta, read the feedback from people who played that. There will be a singleplayer demo that just about anybody can get their hands on tomorrow. Play that.

Kelegacy

02-04-2009, 11:47 AM

I do too for the most part, but for two things.

1) I've agreed with Chick on most of his reviews.

2) I think many of us have learned that super-early positive reviews of super-hyped titles can be a bit suspect. Frankly, the level of hype and fanboy raving over KZ2 makes it a prime suspect for a GTA IV style pass from most reviewers.

If it's going to pull a GTA IV, then I'm excited. I liked GTA qutie a bit, and know why the press did as well. It was a good game.

Seriously though, we have well over a dozen extremely positive reviews for the game and we're still trying to find reasons to be negative about it. It's like you guys won't be happy until you find a place that hammers it nicely, no matter how obscure and unknown.

I know this is probably because it's a PS3 game and because Killzone 2's infamous E3 video, but I doubt you guys analyze all your games before buying or playing as much as you are doing with Killzone. There's a difference between making an informed buying decision and actively seeking out an excuse to paint a game in the bad light.

RandoM51

02-04-2009, 11:49 AM

I know this is probably because it's a PS3 game and because Killzone 2's infamous E3 video, but I doubt you guys analyze all your games before buying or playing as much as you are doing with Killzone.

You're assuming they have even the slightest intention of buying it, regardless of how the reviews balance out. ;)

BlackPete

02-04-2009, 11:56 AM

Trying to shoot down or raise up individual reviews at this point is kind of silly. There was a MP beta, read the feedback from people who played that. There will be a singleplayer demo that just about anybody can get their hands on tomorrow. Play that.

This is exactly what I am taking a wait-and-see approach on. The singleplayer component is still largely an unknown at this point. Multiplayer I'm not too excited about (even if it's quite excellent in this game).

Norse

02-04-2009, 11:58 AM

Thank God RandoM51 is here to defend anything PS3 :p

Seriously though, I'm really looking forward to KZ2. Finally a shooter I want to play on the PS3. I couldn't stand Resistance, but this looks to be way better. I hope I find a way to get my PS3 online so I can try the demo tomorrow. The best shooter of the year already here? Could be, as I don't really know of many pure FPS games that could rival it this year. Colonial Marines and FEAR 2 might be in the same league, but I have my doubts.

Telefrog

02-04-2009, 12:04 PM

Seriously though, we have well over a dozen extremely positive reviews for the game and we're still trying to find reasons to be negative about it. It's like you guys won't be happy until you find a place that hammers it nicely, no matter how obscure and unknown.

I know this is probably because it's a PS3 game and because Killzone 2's infamous E3 video, but I doubt you guys analyze all your games before buying or playing as much as you are doing with Killzone. There's a difference between making an informed buying decision and actively seeking out an excuse to paint a game in the bad light.

1) Tom Chick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Chick) is now "obscure and unknown" to you? Really? He's the only game reviewer I know of that made a really successful crossover into regular mainstream journalism. He did that while keeping a very active presence in gaming. I don't think he's always right (see his Deus Ex review) but he's got the cred and the writing chops to have earned his position.

2) I haven't said a damn thing about the game personally, except earlier in this thread when I said I was sure it would review well and be a fun game. From what I've seen, it looks incredibly generic but really well produced and engaging. That's not neccessarily a bad thing is it? Does every game have to be genre changing to be good? I certainly don't think so.

Gorvi

02-04-2009, 12:06 PM

1) Tom Chick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Chick) is now "obscure and unknown" to you? Really? He's the only game reviewer I know of that made a really successful crossover into regular mainstream journalism. He did that while keeping a very active presence in gaming. I don't think he's always right (see his Deus Ex review) but he's got the cred and the writing chops to have earned his position.
Is he a PC guy? I know I've seen him mentioned with some high regard before, a few months back for something or other, but I'd honestly never heard of him before that. He just seems like an overly critical grumpy kind of reviewer from what I've read.

Siraris

02-04-2009, 12:07 PM

Karak

02-04-2009, 12:09 PM

Every fucking shooter that comes out is generic. The ones that try and step out and do something new, people shit all over. Fracture anyone? Haze? Both were huge turds that tried something new. The generic argument is so worn out.

You said it right. They were huge turds...
That tried something new.
Not huge turds BECAUSE they tried something new.
The difference makes all the difference.

Gorvi

02-04-2009, 12:09 PM

Every fucking shooter that comes out is generic. The ones that try and step out and do something new, people shit all over. Fracture anyone? Haze? Both were huge turds that tried something new. The generic argument is so worn out.
Hey, now, Fracture wasn't all that bad, at least the demo. I actually plan on picking that up sorta soon, since it's $20 now, it was at the very least a fresh take on third person shooters.

menage

02-04-2009, 12:10 PM

But what's far from OK -- and those idiotic glow-eyes and elevator-rafts illustrate this -- is the fact that Killzone 2 presents an unbelievable, utterly unconvincing world. Killzone 2's greatest sin isn't its lack of imagination and use of clichés; it's that coolness and spectacle are important while common sense and credibility are not.

????

Common sense and credibility? Apply the same argument to Gears 2 (how about cutting our way outta this .... for credible) or Halo 3 and they would fail drastically as well. I'm not defending KZ2, or the 2 others here. But I fail to see how that's really that relevant in a futuristic shooter called "Killzone".

And I'm here to cast a vote for Bioshock, Half Life 2 or the Darkness to at least be creative in it's FPS aproach (be it the way it looks, or the way it tells a story). Man, now I'm thinking about cancelling this again and waiting out for Riddick. Can wait till tomorrow, the demo should seal that.

Norse

02-04-2009, 12:12 PM

Yeah, calling shooters "generic" is so old. I don't care if it's generic as long as I enjoy the gameplay.

violent

02-04-2009, 12:14 PM

Yeah, calling shooters "generic" is so old. I don't care if it's generic as long as I enjoy the gameplay.

Most arguments in this thread are old.

Karak

02-04-2009, 12:15 PM

because Killzone 2's infamous E3 video.

Exactly, it probably brought undue attention that it should not have.
As I have stated hundreds of times we are getting it once the PS3 is repaired.
But I do indeed check/demo most games for FUN before graphics(even though I love me some good graphics) so to me, hearing the same reported problems from everyone about K2 despite the ultimate review score at the end matters to me. It matters a lot.
Doesn't stop me from buying it.
Seems like you can't just like the game, youhave to love it, not see problems with it and move on.
Or hate it.
I just sort of want it.

Siraris

02-04-2009, 12:26 PM

You said it right. They were huge turds...
That tried something new.
Not huge turds BECAUSE they tried something new.
The difference makes all the difference.

Show me one highly lauded shooter that is original. Is Gears original? Does Gears TRULY do anything differently, or unique? Does CoD4? Does Halo? Does World at War? Does Left 4 Dead? You have minor tweaks to an already established formula. I'd love to see TomChick or CrispyGamer write out a piece on what, to them, would be a unique improvement to a shooter? Does Dark Void break the generic mold because you can climb and shoot at the same time?

Haze and Fracture really didn't do anything that unique. There is no uniqueness in the shooter genre anymore, nor do I think there ever will be again. There perhaps will be minor tweaks, a new gun with a different name that ends up just being another vessel to fire a projectile at an enemy, but everything will be generic in the genre for the rest of time. I personally don't see anything wrong with it, because I really enjoyed Gears 2 and CoD4. If they want to chastise the horrendous efforts to make a viable plot and dialog, I'm all for it. Harping on the generic gameplay mechanic is getting really, really old.

RandoM51

02-04-2009, 12:27 PM

Thank God RandoM51 is here to defend anything PS3 :p

Hey, I'm just calling it the way it is, quite happy to debunk FUD wherever I find it.
Trying to compare this review situation to that of GTA4 is little more than FUD.
Finding a Tom Chick-style blurb and focusing primarily on that is little more than FUD.
Worrying about AI from what you saw in preview code months ago even after every review of the actual game says no worries is little more than FUD.
We're just playing the forum metagame.

Fortunately for GG, FUD from the other camp isn't going to stop PS3 owners from enjoying their FPS... assuming they like FPS games on console in the first place, particularly multiplayer.

Me? I'd rather play it on PC if it were an option.

Kelegacy

02-04-2009, 12:39 PM

1) Tom Chick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Chick) is now "obscure and unknown" to you? Really? He's the only game reviewer I know of that made a really successful crossover into regular mainstream journalism. He did that while keeping a very active presence in gaming. I don't think he's always right (see his Deus Ex review) but he's got the cred and the writing chops to have earned his position.

I don't follow Chick's stuff, but I wasn't talking about that exactly. I have never heard of his site or the other site you referrenced. That doesn't make them unmentionable, but at one point in this thread it felt like people were going out of their way to find unfavorable reviews from whatever source existed on the net. MTV? Huh?

I always enjoy doing a cross sample of reviews, big and small, before buying a game, but that sample still comes out immensely positive. That's usually enough for me.

Yeti2005

02-04-2009, 12:43 PM

Show me one highly lauded shooter that is original. Is Gears original? Does Gears TRULY do anything differently, or unique? Does CoD4? Does Halo? Does World at War? Does Left 4 Dead? You have minor tweaks to an already established formula.

I think you're missing the point. A console FPS doesn't have to be incredibly original to stand out, it just has to have one or two things to differentiate it from others in its class.

Gears made cover popular and was a very visceral game. COD4 introduced an addictive leveling / class system online. Halo had a kick ass party system, let console users record game sessions, and manipulate maps. Resistance 2 bumped up the co-op count and had interesting weapons.

You might consider all of these tweaks but it separates these games from other "generic" FPS console games.

Siraris

02-04-2009, 01:01 PM

I think you're missing the point. A console FPS doesn't have to be incredibly original to stand out, it just has to have one or two things to differentiate it from others in its class.

Gears made cover popular and was a very visceral game. COD4 introduced an addictive leveling / class system online. Halo had a kick ass party system, let console users record game sessions, and manipulate maps. Resistance 2 bumped up the co-op count and had interesting weapons.

You might consider all of these tweaks but it separates these games from other "generic" FPS console games.

OK? Well, Killzone 2 has extremely impressive AI, a very visceral experience, first person cover (which has very rarely been done before, or pulled off well), and an addictive leveling / class system with new twists. The things you listed off about Halo, or Gears, or CoD4, or Resistance 2 don't really predicate them from being generic shooters. (the Resistance 2 examples you used are pretty poor as well).

Again, you can implement slightly new features to a game, it doesn't mean that the features truly enhance the game, or make it stand out amongst the pack. VERY few games do things originally, it's the ones that take all the core elements, and do them really well, that are going to succeed.

And as I said, most games that truly try to be unique, are sent to the corner to wear the dunce cap. Sony has too much invested to try and step out of the box. I would have liked to have seen more effort put into the story, but from what I've played of KZ2, I'm very excited for February 27th to arrive.

RandoM51

02-04-2009, 01:02 PM

I think you're missing the point. A console FPS doesn't have to be incredibly original to stand out, it just has to have one or two things to differentiate it from others in its class.

Gears made cover popular and was a very visceral game. COD4 introduced an addictive leveling / class system online. Halo had a kick ass party system, let console users record game sessions, and manipulate maps. Resistance 2 bumped up the co-op count and had interesting weapons.

You might consider all of these tweaks but it separates these games from other "generic" FPS console games.

KZ2 doesn't do too many new things, it just does very many of the good things about console FPS very well.

I suppose a first person cover system could be counted as new, considering gears is 3rd person and even r6 drops into 3rd person for cover. Then again, there were those light gun games that had what was effectively a first person cover system with the pedal---timecop?---so maybe that isn't enough.

There are some elements of how it handles multiplayer that are new, particularly in how it dynamically changes game modes which is supposed to go a long ways towards keeping things fresh, at least according to reviewers.

The graphics, or at least the complexity of those graphics are new to console. You won't find a console FPS with better graphics technology, although you might find ones with art design you prefer. I make the distinction now before anybody decides to go down that deadend road.

All that said, isn't there room for games that do things very well without necessarily pushing the boundaries of gameplay? Games like oh, say, WoW tell me there is. :)

KZ2 is anything but generic. If people think it is then feel free to save some money and just play through Resistance or Resistance 2 again. :)

OldJadedGamer

02-04-2009, 01:05 PM

Hey, I'm just calling it the way it is, quite happy to debunk FUD wherever I find it.
Trying to compare this review situation to that of GTA4 is little more than FUD.
Finding a Tom Chick-style blurb and focusing primarily on that is little more than FUD.
Worrying about AI from what you saw in preview code months ago even after every review of the actual game says no worries is little more than FUD.
We're just playing the forum metagame.

Fortunately for GG, FUD from the other camp isn't going to stop PS3 owners from enjoying their FPS... assuming they like FPS games on console in the first place, particularly multiplayer.

Me? I'd rather play it on PC if it were an option.

I think you are looking for more FUD then what is there buddy. I just compared it to the GTA4 review (and every other big AAA title) where the idiotic press gets themselves in a frenzy and rates the games higher then they should have. This goes for ALL games.

I like FPS games and I already have the game pre-ordered so I will be judging it from start to finish with my own eyes. I want to see what it's like to have all that money ozzing out of my PS3 since I know that I'll never be able to ever play a game with this much money thrown behind it.

The reviews are pretty much the same across the board. It has a very pretty short and mundane single player with a meaty multiplayer that will keep you coming back.

edit: Save $5 bucks on your Amazon.com pre-order with the code KZ2SAVE5. No tax and free launch day shipping.

Yeti2005

02-04-2009, 01:12 PM

Again, you can implement slightly new features to a game, it doesn't mean that the features truly enhance the game, or make it stand out amongst the pack. VERY few games do things originally, it's the ones that take all the core elements, and do them really well, that are going to succeed.

And as I said, most games that truly try to be unique, are sent to the corner to wear the dunce cap. Sony has too much invested to try and step out of the box. I would have liked to have seen more effort put into the story, but from what I've played of KZ2, I'm very excited for February 27th to arrive.

We'll wait and see but I think it's Killzone's tweaks to multiplayer and graphics that will be remembered not it's story, voice acting, gameplay or any other "core" elements. In the end, Killzone will be another generic FPS which has a great multiplayer but a poor single player experience (and that's ok but I wish there was more).

Karak

02-04-2009, 01:15 PM

Show me one highly lauded shooter that is original. Is Gears original? Does Gears TRULY do anything differently, or unique? Does CoD4? Does Halo? Does World at War? Does Left 4 Dead? You have minor tweaks to an already established formula. I'd love to see TomChick or CrispyGamer write out a piece on what, to them, would be a unique improvement to a shooter? Does Dark Void break the generic mold because you can climb and shoot at the same time?

Haze and Fracture really didn't do anything that unique. There is no uniqueness in the shooter genre anymore, nor do I think there ever will be again. There perhaps will be minor tweaks, a new gun with a different name that ends up just being another vessel to fire a projectile at an enemy, but everything will be generic in the genre for the rest of time. I personally don't see anything wrong with it, because I really enjoyed Gears 2 and CoD4. If they want to chastise the horrendous efforts to make a viable plot and dialog, I'm all for it. Harping on the generic gameplay mechanic is getting really, really old.

Hahaha. My friend I was responding to the post where YOU said those games tried something unique and different. Now you are saying that they did not try anything unique or different.

Again I state for the record.
I will get the game when the PS3 is repaired.
And I don't know exactly which point you now believe so I can't really argue with you because we may actually agree...but I can't tell.
I think we agree though.

Siraris

02-04-2009, 01:28 PM

Hahaha. My friend I was responding to the post where YOU said those games tried something unique and different. Now you are saying that they did not try anything unique or different.

Again I state for the record.
I will get the game when the PS3 is repaired.
And I don't know exactly which point you now believe so I can't really argue with you because we may actually agree...but I can't tell.
I think we agree though.

Don't mind me, I'm not crazy. Fracture and Haze tried something slightly different, I guess "new", but nothing really that unique. You could compare Fracture to Red Faction in terms of altering your surroundings in some way, and Haze to games where you have special abilities. The problem with both, was not only was the core game lacking, but the rest was as well. Halo 1, which was lauded all over the board, was simply a strong FPS at its core, and that's all. It did nothing different than what I had been playing on the PC for years, it only improved up on it. And guess what? I loved Halo 1, and I have a good feeling I am going to love Killzone 2.

DarkDay

02-04-2009, 01:33 PM

KZ2 doesn't do too many new things, it just does very many of the good things about console FPS very well.

I suppose a first person cover system could be counted as new, considering gears is 3rd person and even r6 drops into 3rd person for cover. Then again, there were those light gun games that had what was effectively a first person cover system with the pedal---timecop?---so maybe that isn't enough.

There are some elements of how it handles multiplayer that are new, particularly in how it dynamically changes game modes which is supposed to go a long ways towards keeping things fresh, at least according to reviewers.

The graphics, or at least the complexity of those graphics are new to console. You won't find a console FPS with better graphics technology, although you might find ones with art design you prefer. I make the distinction now before anybody decides to go down that deadend road.

All that said, isn't there room for games that do things very well without necessarily pushing the boundaries of gameplay? Games like oh, say, WoW tell me there is. :)

KZ2 is anything but generic. If people think it is then feel free to save some money and just play through Resistance or Resistance 2 again. :)

Your posts come off like you have played it? Have you or are you going off of the info that the rest of us have. I know Siaris has played it, but thats about it.

Are these facts your stating or just strong opinions until you do play it?

OldJadedGamer

02-04-2009, 01:37 PM

Are these facts your stating or just strong opinions until you do play it?

When talking to Random, you should know that opinions = facts to him.

DarkDay

02-04-2009, 01:40 PM

When talking to Random, you should know that opinions = facts to him.

Ha, Ic. However I was really wondering cause if he has might be some more insight, he sure posts as he has. Sounds like he helped develop it.

Demos out tomorrow right? well, we will know more then and all on the 27th. In the end it is just another game to go in the library.

RandoM51

02-04-2009, 01:49 PM

I think you are looking for more FUD then what is there buddy. I just compared it to the GTA4 review (and every other big AAA title) where the idiotic press gets themselves in a frenzy and rates the games higher then they should have. This goes for ALL games.

...and once again you're ignoring how the situation between GTA4 and KZ2 differs. Just take GTA4 out of there and put in some other games and I wouldn't have said a thing. The GTA4 situation is about as shifty as it could get without just coming out and handing bags of money to people on the local news.

Having read the mainstream reviews for KZ2 I don't see anybody in a frenzy. Most of them are avoiding hyperbole at all costs, it would seem. Almost every time they come out with high praise they're very good at covering their asses with the obligatory suffix of "on the PS3." It is kind of humorous once you figure out what they're doing.

You say the situation is the same, I say it is different. Easy enough. :)

KZ2 has a 93 rating on metacritic right now. Regardless of whether or not you or I liked GTA4 or if we thought it was overrated by the critics, answer me one simple question: How many bad games have gotten 90+ on metacritic?

RandoM51

02-04-2009, 01:52 PM

Are these facts your stating or just strong opinions until you do play it?

Facts. Read the reviews, read the mp feedback.

I guess it could just be a mass hallucination.

RandoM51

02-04-2009, 01:56 PM

Ha, Ic. However I was really wondering cause if he has might be some more insight, he sure posts as he has. Sounds like he helped develop it.

...or just perhaps I can read? It isn't like this game has been hidden from scrutiny up till the day of release.

I keep saying "read the feedback from the mp beta, read the reviews, read the updates coming from the developer." The information is out there if you actually go look for it.

Casting aspersions on me is probably easier than educating yourself---and I'm not talking about you.
When talking to Random, you should know that opinions = facts to him.
And when talking to OldJadedGamer---on multiple forums---you should know that anything even remotely related to Sony starts off as junk.

DarkDay

02-04-2009, 02:03 PM

Facts. Read the reviews, read the mp feedback.

I guess it could just be a mass hallucination.

I have read all the reviews, and they seem very positive despite what some are saying. but we can find bad in any good and the other way around.

However if you view reviews as facts then I guess our discussion is over.

Kelegacy

02-04-2009, 02:04 PM

Your posts come off like you have played it? Have you or are you going off of the info that the rest of us have. I know Siaris has played it, but thats about it.

Are these facts your stating or just strong opinions until you do play it?

Many people HAVE played it, at least the MP beta. And even people in this thread have raved about it, back towards the beginning before the thread devolved into negativity.

I might as well stoke the fire: I bet the SP portion of it will be better than Halo 3's. Not hard to do. ;)

DarkDay

02-04-2009, 02:06 PM

...or just perhaps I can read? It isn't like this game has been hidden from scrutiny up till the day of release.

I keep saying "read the feedback from the mp beta, read the reviews, read the updates coming from the developer." The information is out there if you actually go look for it.

Casting aspersions on me is probably easier than educating yourself---and I'm not talking about you.

And when talking to OldJadedGamer---on multiple forums---you should know that anything even remotely related to Sony starts off as junk.

O I know, I was asking if you had played if for real, and I was really interested, as I don't see reviews as "facts" but opinions, and usually don't trust them all that much. I generally wait till someone in here has played them as I find I can trust more in here. Hence why I was wondering if you had played it.

Your panties get in a bunch easily don't they, pretty defensive.
Don't worry, that's;) a review of your last posts, not facts.

DarkDay

02-04-2009, 02:07 PM

Many people HAVE played it, at least the MP beta. And even people in this thread have raved about it, back towards the beginning before the thread devolved into negativity.

I might as well stoke the fire: I bet the SP portion of it will be better than Halo 3's. Not hard to do. ;)

I think it will too personally. I loved Halo3 sp, but im easy to please. From what I have seen of KZ2's despite what some have said, it looks rock solid, beautiful, frantic as all hell, polished and epic. I for one can't wait, but some people need to relax. Its a fuking game people:)

Telefrog

02-04-2009, 02:09 PM

...or just perhaps I can read? It isn't like this game has been hidden from scrutiny up till the day of release.

I keep saying "read the feedback from the mp beta, read the reviews, read the updates coming from the developer." The information is out there if you actually go look for it.

Well, I'd say two of the "sources" you list could easily have a sympathetic agenda. I tend to believe that people included in the MP beta for a game are less likely to be objective than people that just buy the game at retail since they were likely to be pretty positive about the opportunity in the first place. Developer updates can hardly be considered unbiased.

That leaves the reviews at this point, and to be honest I find it hard to trust any review of a game based on a special build sent to the press more than a full month before the game hits the shelves.

Edit: Yes, I realize there wouldn't be much difference between a month-old build and the final disc pressings.

Norse

02-04-2009, 02:09 PM

Facts. Read the reviews, read the mp feedback.

I guess it could just be a mass hallucination.

Halo 3 got excellent reviews and the mp is/was extremely popular. That doesn't mean everyone, including me, consider it to be good.

DangerousDaze

02-04-2009, 02:11 PM

... to be honest I find it hard to trust any review of a game based on a special build sent to the press more than a full month before the game hits the shelves.

Do you think they're going to ruin it between now and then?

Telefrog

02-04-2009, 02:14 PM

Do you think they're going to ruin it between now and then?

Who knows? Did you play the beta for L4D? Remember how not smooth that experience was at first? Sure, much of it was fixed before the game "launched" but there were some pretty significant changes that altered the way the game was played in some points.

Orca

02-04-2009, 02:14 PM

Do you think they're going to ruin it between now and then?

I'm pretty sure it's not shipping with this handy 'enter it to level up' code for multiplayer.

DangerousDaze

02-04-2009, 02:17 PM

I'm pretty sure it's not shipping with this handy 'enter it to level up' code for multiplayer.

But would that invalidate the review scores?

P.S. I bet they just hide it. ;)

OldJadedGamer

02-04-2009, 02:46 PM

Your panties get in a bunch easily don't they, pretty defensive.

Don't mind Random, his panties are in a constant state of bunched when it comes to defending anything PS3 related -- on multiple forums-- where he's constantly posting in KZ2 threads yet not even buying the game. Just checking his post history on GAF shows constant defense posts and not much talk of the game itself.

BlackPete

02-04-2009, 03:30 PM

OK? Well, Killzone 2 has extremely impressive AI ... <snip>

Does this mean you've played it? I'm really curious to see what the AI will be like in this game. Unfortunately reviewers are kind of all over the map with this, so it's hard to get a real feel on how the AI actually performs.

Is the AI somewhat like Halflife and/or FEAR where they appear to try to flank you, flush you out with grenades, etc.? If so, then that's the kind of AI I want to see more of.

If not... well... I guess I'll have to try the demo and see for myself.

BlackPete

02-04-2009, 03:31 PM

Don't mind Random, his panties are in a constant state of bunched when it comes to defending anything PS3 related -- on multiple forums-- where he's constantly posting in KZ2 threads yet not even buying the game. Just checking his post history on GAF shows constant defense posts and not much talk of the game itself.

At least he's consistent. :p

DarkDay

02-04-2009, 03:46 PM

Does this mean you've played it? I'm really curious to see what the AI will be like in this game. Unfortunately reviewers are kind of all over the map with this, so it's hard to get a real feel on how the AI actually performs.

Is the AI somewhat like Halflife and/or FEAR where they appear to try to flank you, flush you out with grenades, etc.? If so, then that's the kind of AI I want to see more of.

If not... well... I guess I'll have to try the demo and see for myself.

I have heard its really good with the exception of a few screw ups here and there, but what game dosen't have that? I think some people are nit picking to much and the rest are too easy to praise. Interesting none the less.

I have also heard that in sp the ai is great as long as you stay along the obvious path, but try something drastically different and its a little off.
We will all know soon enough.

I think we have all bought lesser games for 60 bones and found something to like, so for FPS fans I can't see how this game could do anything other than be a solid purchase.

Urizen

02-04-2009, 04:07 PM

It's times like this I wish CoG some form of PM system implemented.

Virtual Machine

02-04-2009, 06:39 PM

It's times like this I wish CoG some form of PM system implemented.

This whole thread is a disgrace. I think we should dust off and nuke the site from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.

Seriously - you guys sound like the kind of people who hit sites like IGN and Amazon and enter ratings of "0" and "1" for hot games on consoles you don't own. ;)

DarkDay

02-04-2009, 06:46 PM

Takes 2. am I right? ...am I?

Virtual Machine

02-04-2009, 07:01 PM

Takes 2. am I right? ...am I?

Or 7 :)

Yeah, 7 would do it.

Karak

02-04-2009, 07:21 PM

This whole thread is a disgrace. I think we should dust off and nuke the site from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.

Seriously - you guys sound like the kind of people who hit sites like IGN and Amazon and enter ratings of "0" and "1" for hot games on consoles you don't own. ;)

I love you VM and respect almost everything you post...you know that...
But this is the kind of response that made me stop posting in here today.

Some of these people are just talking, and sure they are picking at things, but the 0 and 1 ratings comment...come on friend. I don't sense any of them doing that kind of thing. And since I like dirt shit games sometimes, I sure wouldn't.

There is nothing wrong with what they are saying or thinking. In fact I have only seen one or two people, and I reread the entire thread 3 times before posting this, in this entire thread state their opinions as complete utter fact and it wasn't the people stating there were issues. It was the typical people you would expect sure, but it was not those pointing out the issues and they were showing links to other websites where people shared their opinion just like those who think the game is perfect.

I had always thought only god(if he was real) could sense the real truth. But perhaps he posts here as the 2 users thinking they knew fact versus someone else's opinion.
*shrugs*

mister slim

02-04-2009, 07:23 PM

Personally, I'm interested in KZ2 for the first-person cover system, with the hope that it pulls it off well (and some disappointment that Guerilla pulled it from the multiplayer). Cover systems are a great way to make up for the limited body-sense of video games, FPS's in particular, and how that undermines the way shootouts flow. Every sense cover mechanics started showing up and were then taken mainstream by Gears I've been waiting for a FPS that really went at it all out and it sounds like Guerilla may have executed it well.

RandoM51

02-04-2009, 07:41 PM

Lighten up, this should help.

http://g4tv.com/thepile/hdvideos/36553/Sesslers-Soapbox-Killzone-Mailbag.html

RandoM51

02-04-2009, 07:43 PM

Don't mind Random, his panties are in a constant state of bunched when it comes to defending anything PS3 related -- on multiple forums-- where he's constantly posting in KZ2 threads yet not even buying the game.

Don't mind OldJadedGamer, Sony came over and stole all of his panties when he was 8 years old. This unfortunately colors all of his opinions.

:D Have a nice day.