Back to the futu... Mac

[KidCactus]

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Hi there little kitty, might you be 10.7? This "Back to the Mac" Apple event will be held October 20th.

I'm still on 10.5.8 on my Mac Pro, tried upgrading to Snow Leopard when it was released, just to realize things I really needed to have working weren't stable at all, so I went back to Leopard. My MacBook Pro is running SL though, with no issues at all. I hope there will be some interesting things happening in 10.7, 10.6 weren't that big of an upgrade from 10.5.

[resikel]

I'm excited! I'm currently on Snow Leopard on both of my Mac and Macbook Pro.

[muddi900]

Totally out there prediction; Mac OSX available to everyone!

[Stoke]

Totally out there prediction; Mac OSX available to everyone!

Another crazy prediction: They'll actually make it to 11 this time.

Mac OSXI - Hippopotamus

[Narradisall]

Lightning lizard!

[OldJadedGamer]

I hope there will be some interesting things happening in 10.7, 10.6 weren't that big of an upgrade from 10.5.

10.6 is more of just an update to tidy things up from 10.5 and lower. That's why it didn't have a full name and attached onto the previous update name. Also, it was only $30 where usually the OS is over $100. All my friends use Macs so we just buy the family packs and split it so it's always super cheap.

It will be interesting to see what is added for 10.7. I hope some really good iPad compatibility as my girlfriend is buying me one for Xmas this year.

[muddi900]

Lightning lizard!

Thats how those crazy hippies at Canonical name their OS's

"UBUNTU 18.10: Masturbating Manatee"

10.6 is more of just an update to tidy things up from 10.5 and lower. That's why it didn't have a full name and attached onto the previous update name. Also, it was only $30 where usually the OS is over $100. All my friends use Macs so we just buy the family packs and split it so it's always super cheap.

It will be interesting to see what is added for 10.7. I hope some really good iPad compatibility as my girlfriend is buying me one for Xmas this year.

There have been rumors of the touchscreen Macs floating around, with multiple interfaces.

[jeffbax]

King of the Jungle :cool:

[OldJadedGamer]

There have been rumors of the touchscreen Macs floating around, with multiple interfaces.

Yeah, I heard about that and that is what will make me buy a new computer. I'll totally trade in my Macbook for a touch screen iMac.

[Urizen]

Return of the Mac would have a nicer ring to it, but I bet they didn't want to pay royalties to Mark Morrison.

[Chris_D]

I went from tiger straight to Snow Leopard, skipping 10.5, and was really impressed by the performance and stability improvements. But not really feeling the need for another OS upgrade right now.

[jeffbax]

The one thing I wish Apple would do is either continue the $29 OS price, or just make it free. It is in their developer interest to keep users up to date, and the real money is in hardware anyway.

[KidCactus]

How nice, there will be a live stream this time too:

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1010qwoeiuryfg/event/index.html

[Banacek]

iOS 4.2 needs to come out for the iPad sooner rather then later.

[muddi900]

Yeah, if you join it to their stream late, they start you right at the beginning. BOO!

Gizmodo has a better stream!

[muddi900]

Autotune for people who cant keep a rhythm.

[muddi900]

Finally, OSX has apt.

[Stoke]

App store for the Mac. Is that really necessary?

[Banacek]

App store for the Mac. Is that really necessary?

Nope, not really. I mean, most of the apps I use on my Mac are all open-source. I don't need a store to get them.

[J Arcane]

as part of LIon, there will be a Mac app store
by Jacqui Cheng at 10:57 AM

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[Banacek]

Figures that the big reveal is the Macbook Air. They couldn't keep selling the old one with the iPad out there.

[Stoke]

Gah, I really need a better job so I can fund my gadget fetish. The new Air looks nice.

[muddi900]

Are you guys kidding me? I have been using apt on linux for the past 500 years. Even windows has one (http://ninite.com)(sort of). OSX is way late to the party.

Hell ubuntu beat their announcement with paid apps by a week (http://lifehacker.com/5655827/screenshot-tour-our-favorite-new-features-in-ubuntu-1010). The appstore is the only real news to come out of it. Also

Also, its cool that steve compares the air to the ipad. It would look like an even bigger failure in january, when the ipad 2nd gen is announced. I seriously expected a swivel touchscreen on the new air. But, nope, still as irrelevant as ever. The engineering is cool though.

[Banacek]

Are you guys kidding me? I have been using apt on linux for the past 500 years. Even windows has one (http://ninite.com)(sort of). OSX is way late to the party.

apt isn't the same as an App Store, unless you have a version of apt that has marketing capabilities built in that I never heard about.

[Banacek]

I also think the App Store for OSX is dumb, but it's really not aimed at us. People want their fart apps on their laptop damnit :)

[Cactaur]

New Air at a very sweet price point and screen res. Tho I'd probably hold off and see what next years iPad refresh brings.

[Serapth]

New Air at a very sweet price point and screen res. Tho I'd probably hold off and see what next years iPad refresh brings.

Are you nuts? 1300$ for a netbook, thats crazy.

The stats are shit, absolute shit. Hell, I purchased a netbook with an i3, dedicated GPU, 320G drive and 4 gigs of ram and better battery life ( 8+ hours, actual usage ) for under half that price. Anyone buying this as anything more than a fashion accessory are crazy.

[Banacek]

Are you nuts? 1300$ for a netbook, thats crazy.

The stats are shit, absolute shit. Hell, I purchased a netbook with an i3, dedicated GPU, 320G drive and 4 gigs of ram and better battery life ( 8+ hours, actual usage ) for under half that price. Anyone buying this as anything more than a fashion accessory are crazy.

You couldn't pay me to use a Netbook. I hate those things.

[J Arcane]

I also think the App Store for OSX is dumb, but it's really not aimed at us. People want their fart apps on their laptop damnit :)
No, Steve Jobs wants to tighten his grip on the desktop, emboldened by what he's gotten away with on iOS.

This is exactly what guys like me have been warning people about.

Who wants to take a pool on how long until Flash support disappears for Macs like so much 64-bit Photoshop?

And you can count on that digital signature locked CPU Intel has been working on finding its way into Apple machines soon enough.

[Serapth]

Are you nuts? 1300$ for a netbook, thats crazy.

The stats are shit, absolute shit. Hell, I purchased a netbook with an i3, dedicated GPU, 320G dr

You couldn't pay me to use a Netbook. I hate those things.

Depends on the form factor and CPU. I have an eeepc and its awful, but I love my current machine.

[Banacek]

Depends on the form factor and CPU. I have an eeepc and its awful, but I love my current machine.

I've got to find a better one for my daughter. She's got a eeepc, and man is it bad. It was a gift, so what can you do.

[Banacek]

No, Steve Jobs wants to tighten his grip on the desktop, emboldened by what he's gotten away with on iOS.

This is exactly what guys like me have been warning people about.

Who wants to take a pool on how long until Flash support disappears for Macs like so much 64-bit Photoshop?

And you can count on that digital signature locked CPU Intel has been working on finding its way into Apple machines soon enough.

A huge part of the Mac market share is open source developers. If Apple wants to piss them all off and lose that business then that's fine, but I really doubt that is the direction that Macs will end up in.

[The Continental]

Not really blown away by Lion. Anything and everything related to Mac laptops will forever be priced entirely too high, so while the new Air is indeed sleek as all get out, I knew I wouldn't be getting one before it was even unveiled.

iLife '11 does look really good though, might have to upgrade that sooner rather than later.

[muddi900]

apt isn't the same as an App Store, unless you have a version of apt that has marketing capabilities built in that I never heard about.

Ubuntu Software Center/Update Manager. Apple App Store. Android Market. Cydia. Rock app. These are just front ends. They all use apt, and so will Mac app store, because it just works. I use a lot of open-source software on linux too, and having a friendlier interface to install them hasn't made them any less accessible or usable. I also have a lot of fee iphone apps on my phone. Fact is, since this is on the Mac OS, somebody will find a way to add third-party repositories.

I hope MS comes out with something like this on Windows.

No, Steve Jobs wants to tighten his grip on the desktop, emboldened by what he's gotten away with on iOS.

This is exactly what guys like me have been warning people about.

Who wants to take a pool on how long until Flash support disappears for Macs like so much 64-bit Photoshop?

And you can count on that digital signature locked CPU Intel has been working on finding its way into Apple machines soon enough.

Not on Mac OSX. Adobe can develop Flash as long as they like for it, nobody can stop them.

Though this might be the last version of OSX. What are they going to do next, Cougar? So maybe on OS11.

[J Arcane]

A huge part of the Mac market share is open source developers. If Apple wants to piss them all off and lose that business then that's fine, but I really doubt that is the direction that Macs will end up in.
I think Steve Jobs has made it abundantly clear he doesn't give a flying fuck who he pisses off.

Everything and everyone else are beneath consideration, only his "vision" matters.

And his "vision" is increasingly just whatever petty shit has put the burrs up his skirt this week.

I mean come on, he went to war with Adobe. Whose software has driven more Mac sales than anything else, and is the cornerstone of the graphics industry that is the Mac's bread and butter.

[Banacek]

Ubuntu Software Center/Update Manager. Apple App Store. Android Market. Cydia. Rock app. These are just front ends. They all use apt, and so will Mac app store, because it just works. I use a lot of open-source software on linux too, and having a friendlier interface to install them hasn't made them any less accessible or usable. I also have a lot of fee iphone apps on my phone. Fact is, since this is on the Mac OS, somebody will find a way to add third-party repositories.

That wasn't what I was getting at. I meant that when I yum or apt-get I'm not hit with big ads and user reviews for packages I never heard about. It's all about the marketing. Apple's going to sell this to developers by using that aspect. Whether or not this is needed for the OSX is the real issue (I don't think it is).

[Banacek]

I think Steve Jobs has made it abundantly clear he doesn't give a flying fuck who he pisses off.

Everything and everyone else are beneath consideration, only his "vision" matters.

And his "vision" is increasingly just whatever petty shit has put the burrs up his skirt this week.

I mean come on, he went to war with Adobe. Whose software has driven more Mac sales than anything else, and is the cornerstone of the graphics industry that is the Mac's bread and butter.

I know I'm not going to change your mind, but he did go against Adobe by supporting the open-sourced alternative.

Anyway, this was a pretty boring update. They keep talking about MS. Just release Visual Studio for the OSX and then I won't care what the future holds because I'll never have to update my OS again :)

[J Arcane]

People are also forgetting the Internet Explorer effect here.

He's already got the App Store under his firm control, and once it's sitting right there on the dock, who's going to bother going to VersionTracker or Sourceforge or any of the other download sites? App Store's already there, has a button and everything, you just click it, and are whisked away to Apple's rigidly controlled playground, where you only see what Jobs wants you to see.

And you know that effect is only going to extend to the apps themselves. The whole "no duplication of features/apps" thing is already in place, so don't expect Camino or Firefox, or OpenOffice, or anything else that might compete with Cupertino's own.

And then, once that's been in place for long enough, introducing a digital signature lock would be trivial. Most won't even notice. We will, but we're nerds, we give a shit about that kind of thing.

Everyone else? Like you said, they just want the quickest route to their fart apps.

But even if you're right, and Jobs never goes so far as requiring signed software on OS X, does he really need to? Once the monopoly is established every developer out there is going to have to get on board, or take a major loss in sales.

Much as I love Android, try making any money selling an app outside the Market, see how well that works for you. Even the porn alternate market doesn't get much attention.

[muddi900]

That wasn't what I was getting at. I meant that when I yum or apt-get I'm not hit with big ads and user reviews for packages I never heard about. It's all about the marketing. Apple's going to sell this to developers by using that aspect. Whether or not this is needed for the OSX is the real issue (I don't think it is).

Time will tell. As far as usability is concerned, it was the only advancement announced today.

I think Steve Jobs has made it abundantly clear he doesn't give a flying fuck who he pisses off.

Everything and everyone else are beneath consideration, only his "vision" matters.

And his "vision" is increasingly just whatever petty shit has put the burrs up his skirt this week.

I mean come on, he went to war with Adobe. Whose software has driven more Mac sales than anything else, and is the cornerstone of the graphics industry that is the Mac's bread and butter.

I know I'm not going to change your mind, but he did go against Adobe by supporting the open-sourced alternative.

Anyway, this was a pretty boring update. They keep talking about MS. Just release Visual Studio for the OSX and then I won't care what the future holds because I'll never have to update my OS again :)

I think this line of discussion has no logical basis.

[J Arcane]

Then I don't think you understand what "logical" means.

[muddi900]

I don't think you understand what 'think' means.

[J Arcane]

Then enjoy your iPad PC.

http://static.arstechnica.com/10-18-2010/launchpad_ars.jpg

[Banacek]

Well, that's just the new Dashboard. That's not replacing the entire OS.

[muddi900]

The launch pad is probably the stupidest "new feature". Windows 98 called...
Populist, marketing driven choice in face of real competition.

Also, after looking at the new air, I can safely say it is ugly as fuck.

BTW, the License Agreement is out. I do not care to register for an ID, but if some one would be kind enough to post it here so we can shut J Arcane up. :p

Also, Steam.

[Matthias]

OS X has had an apt-like tool for a while now as well: MacPorts (as well as one other "competitor" whose name I can't remember)

So what?

This will be great for all the startups who want to get their app out there quickly and without having to deal with all the problems of setting up a storefront. Sure, there are a lot of rules, but so what? Apple has made progress away from blind draconian rage (although the journey is obviously not finished). Besides, the Mac isn't the walled garden the iPhone is; developers are free to post all of their apps in any other location or format they want. The Mac isn't going to get locked down anytime soon, because too much of their market share uses open source apps, or those that otherwise don't lend themselves to a storefront (such as command-line tools, semi-obscure scientific apps, and heck, custom-developed tools).

This will simply provide a boutique store to showcase apps that follow Apple's prescribed aesthetics, and that otherwise might not have made it off the ground due to being too small. It also makes it easier for people to switch and have a single place to go to find good, if not the best, apps for a given task.

[Banacek]

I have to be honest; I really hate MacPorts. Most of the packages are outdated and it comes with an incredible amount of bloat seeing that is only checks for dependencies in it's own packages and not on the system (no, I don't need another copy of Python and Perl, thank you). It's a great idea, I just wish it was better.

[Hawkzombie]

Another crazy prediction: They'll actually make it to 11 this time.

Mac OSXI - Hippopotamus

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[blair]

The thing thats pissing me off the most is deprecating java. Yes, I know I can run OpenJDK/SoyLatte but there probably won't be any cocoa integration (atleast I can't see oracle providing it).
This basically kills OSX as my main development platform.

[Serapth]

The thing thats pissing me off the most is deprecating java. Yes, I know I can run OpenJDK/SoyLatte but there probably won't be any cocoa integration (atleast I can't see oracle providing it).
This basically kills OSX as my main development platform.

Say what? ( I am honestly ignorant on this issue, I have not seen it raised until your comment ). Do you mean to say in their developments tools, or do you mean as a platform?

[blair]

I got it from here (http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html#/apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010380-CH4-DontLinkElementID_2).

As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of Java that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is deprecated.

This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the standard support cycles of those products.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I've been burned by Apple and Java once too much.

Edit: And to answer your question: I fear they are removing the platform (atleast removing their support, i.e. the port which includes the cocoa support).

[jeffbax]

Are you guys kidding me? I have been using apt on linux for the past 500 years. Even windows has one (http://ninite.com)(sort of). OSX is way late to the party.

Hell ubuntu beat their announcement with paid apps by a week (http://lifehacker.com/5655827/screenshot-tour-our-favorite-new-features-in-ubuntu-1010). The appstore is the only real news to come out of it. Also

Also, its cool that steve compares the air to the ipad. It would look like an even bigger failure in january, when the ipad 2nd gen is announced. I seriously expected a swivel touchscreen on the new air. But, nope, still as irrelevant as ever. The engineering is cool though.

Um... Fink or MacPorts much?

Anyway good news all around. The App store will be a big boon for independent developers, and it isn't mandatory to distribute that way (which would never.ever.fly.) so I fail to see how this is in any way a bad thing.

As for Java... I don't see that as bad news considering the complaints about Apple's speed to update their JVM. Just means more effort will go into maintaining other JVMs on the OS, and for most of Apple's users Java is not exactly important. Mac = Cocoa, Ruby, Python, for the most part. If you try to get me to run a Java-based GUI I will stab you in the eye, but again, the open source market will pick up the slack and probably do a better job keeping it up to date and secure anyway.

[Banacek]

As for Java... I don't see that as bad news considering the complaints about Apple's speed to update their JVM. Just means more effort will go into maintaining other JVMs on the OS, and for most of Apple's users Java is not exactly important. Mac = Cocoa, Ruby, Python, for the most part. If you try to get me to run a Java-based GUI I will stab you in the eye, but again, the open source market will pick up the slack and probably do a better job keeping it up to date and secure anyway.

Unless I'm missing something it means that we won't get Cocoa versions of apps like Eclipse. Oracle is still going to release Java for OSX, it's just that Apple won't it building it for them.

[Serapth]

As for Java... I don't see that as bad news considering the complaints about Apple's speed to update their JVM. Just means more effort will go into ma

Unless I'm missing something it means that we won't get Cocoa versions of apps like Eclipse. Oracle is still going to release Java for OSX, it's just that Apple won't it building it for them.

If this is because Jobs is promoting that Abortion of a language Objective C, well I would be surprised.

[Banacek]

If this is because Jobs is promoting that Abortion of a language Objective C, well I would be surprised.

I'm going to bet that with Oracle going after Google for Java use you're going to see more companies shy away from Java as well. Objective C, on the other hand, needs to die. How anyone puts up with that horrible syntax is beyond me.

[Matthias]

I'm going to bet that with Oracle going after Google for Java use you're going to see more companies shy away from Java as well. Objective C, on the other hand, needs to die. How anyone puts up with that horrible syntax is beyond me.

I've never understood what people have against the syntax. Instead of bunches of parens, you have bunches of brackets. Instead of parameter lists with no context, you have named parameters, that you can easily span across lines if you feel the need to. Am I missing something?