[WAR] Is it Awesome and Why?

[Vanifae]

I did not jump on the WAR bandwagon, I currently play WoW, but did the game live up to the hype and is it worth getting into? I know they are releasing some of he cut classes so I am intrigued especially since I really interested in the Blackguard.

Any thoughts?

[ClannerDelta]

I did not jump on the WAR bandwagon, I currently play WoW, but did the game live up to the hype and is it worth getting into? I know they are releasing some of he cut classes so I am intrigued especially since I really interested in the Blackguard.

Any thoughts?

Like every MMO launch it has its low points.

With that disclaimer out of the way, it's one of the best supported games I've played in a while. With regular content updates and near daily tweaks and fixes (the good kind, not the ones to fix what they just "fixed").

Keep in mind everything is focused around PvP, so don't expect the kind of PvE depth that WoW had. Still a nice assortment of quests. As well as Mount Gundbad for mid level raiding/grouping.

[Vanifae]

Yeah I played the Beta since last summer but I stopped about six months to release; and I am a pretty big PvE player but I enjoyed the PvP. Is there that much depth to the PvP game?

[ClannerDelta]

Yeah I played the Beta since last summer but I stopped about six months to release; and I am a pretty big PvE player but I enjoyed the PvP. Is there that much depth to the PvP game?

I'll be honest, as of right now, it's zerg on zerg or scenario grinding. On the other hand they are actively fixing that. This gets alleviated a bit on Open RvR servers where the fights tend to be much smaller. Recently they doubled xp for killing a player in an RvR lake, added xp to taking objectives and keeps, and the Halloween event added Public Quests to RvR lakes. It has a solid framework to build from and they aren't slouching on it. It's not perfect though.

[Lint of Death]

I'll be honest, as of right now, it's zerg on zerg or scenario grinding. On the other hand they are actively fixing that. This gets alleviated a bit on Open RvR servers where the fights tend to be much smaller. Recently they doubled xp for killing a player in an RvR lake, added xp to taking objectives and keeps, and the Halloween event added Public Quests to RvR lakes. It has a solid framework to build from and they aren't slouching on it. It's not perfect though.

Yeah, haha, admittedly I'm not trying 24-7 or anything, but people seem rather slow to realize how valuable doing the open RvR is now in the lower tiers.

I just paid for my second month of subscription deliberately and was happy to do so. Now that I've finally gotten a better understanding of the game I'm going back to my original character, Groobnitz the Shaman. Healers are almost sickeningly helpful!

[Vanifae]

I'll be honest, as of right now, it's zerg on zerg or scenario grinding. On the other hand they are actively fixing that. This gets alleviated a bit on Open RvR servers where the fights tend to be much smaller. Recently they doubled xp for killing a player in an RvR lake, added xp to taking objectives and keeps, and the Halloween event added Public Quests to RvR lakes. It has a solid framework to build from and they aren't slouching on it. It's not perfect though.
I might check it out, of the PvE content available is of the kind of quality found in like WoW or LotRO?

[Lint of Death]

I might check it out, of the PvE content available is of the kind of quality found in like WoW or LotRO?

Though my experience is limited somewhat, I would say it's better. PQs are a fantastic idea and work quite well, as does the accompanying Influence system. More importantly, from a narrative standpoint, my character's relationships with the NPCs are much more 'realistic' or at least believable. The hilarious Orcs, especially early on, often have you doing things that are stupid, counterproductive, or only tangentially beneficial to the war effort :p

At low ranks, Dark Elves manipulate you and treat you like an expendable pawn, not expecting you to survive even half of what they ask you to do.

[ClannerDelta]

I might check it out, of the PvE content available is of the kind of quality found in like WoW or LotRO?

I'll have to let someone else answer it. I pretty much detest PvE in its entirety in any game. Though WAR questing is like WoW questing, the PQ's provide a steep challenge if that's what you're looking for, and at least the Mid-range dungeon (Mount Gunbad) is pretty entertaining and rewarding.

[Rilav]

the PvE in WAR isn't as deep as it is in WoW or Lotro, but what there is of it is excellent, I love PQ's, the storylines for the races are very well done, the NPC's are all very entertaining in their own ways.

if you get a group of 5 or so people you can do any PQ, 3-4 people it get's a bit tricky but still doable depending on the group.

[Lint of Death]

if you get a group of 5 or so people you can do any PQ, 3-4 people it get's a bit tricky but still doable depending on the group.

There's a T2 Orc PQ where you fight a bunch of Dwarf Slayer Pirates on and around their steamship that's a bit of an exception. It's a great set-up, but my impression is that the last boss is massively overpowered. We had a Shaman and a Sorcerer but he still tore through three Black Orcs in, maybe, 10-20 seconds. :eek:

[Libuke]

There's a T2 Orc PQ where you fight a bunch of Dwarf Slayer Pirates on and around their steamship that's a bit of an exception. It's a great set-up, but my impression is that the last boss is massively overpowered. We had a Shaman and a Sorcerer but he still tore through three Black Orcs in, maybe, 10-20 seconds. :eek:

There is one 16-17 level chaos PQ that summons a lord, he hit me for 1600 on my chosen. After a couple of other 100-200 damage hits so I was dead in about 3 or 4 seconds. So yah some get pretty tough in the last stage.

[Hellbug]

There is one 16-17 level chaos PQ that summons a lord, he hit me for 1600 on my chosen. After a couple of other 100-200 damage hits so I was dead in about 3 or 4 seconds. So yah some get pretty tough in the last stage.

I know that PQ all too well. My Disciple of Khaine was almost completely useless in that specific PQ, yet it offered some of the best loot for that level and area. :mad:

It seems I'm not the first to say that while there isn't much to offer in the PvE areas of the game that isn't done in games like WoW, the PvP is quite entertaining. A few nights ago I stumbled into a gigantic battle (Two complete raiding groups on the chaos side fighting against an even larger Order force) in the middle of the Tier 2 Chaos RvR lake. It was quite epic, and entertained me for the better part of an hour. I don't think I have ever had such an exhilarating time in an MMO.

[digitalErich]

You can talk about PQs and scenarios and all that, but what it really comes down to is do you want a game that focuses on PvP and does large scale PvP better than WoW?

If you don't care about PvP all that much, wait on WAR for now while you play through Litch then dive into WAR. By that time there will be more bug fixes and possibly even a trial client.

I really like both games, but at the same time have issues with both. Don't think, or listen to people that think, one is a better game than the other.

As for me, I really like WAR. There was a time I was convinced I wasn't going to buy Wrath because of it, but I got to a point leveling where it started to feel like a grind. I'll be going back to WoW to level through to 80 and by that time I'm hoping WAR is in better shape in that respect. What I really want is a game with WoW's fun and interesting leveling (PQs aside leveling in WAR is boring) with WAR's endgame (I'm not into raiding anymore or arenas).

[QueQueg]

I've been back-n-forth on WAR, at first I loved it, then it started to wane (I was having a hard time "connecting" to any one class/race.)

I'm back on the bandwagon. I leveled my DE Disciple of Khaine to 20 this weekend on a combination of PQs and Scenarios. Had a great time doing it. I love the fact that without trying, I had 23 gold when I hit 20, 8 more than I needed to buy his mount. Some folks say this is WoW on "easy", and they may be right. I went through some seriously grind-heavy games, and WAR is a breath of fresh air in that respect.

I have hope that the December content patch doesn't F everything up.

[Vanifae]

Yeah my experience in Beta was that the game was definitely fun but there seemed to be something missing, the content was fun, the different faction/racial stories were entertaining but nothing overly exciting. The Public Quests were fun but in general if you were not in a group there was no hope you would ever complete one so I would end up grinding the parts I could complete and then wait for it to reset to start once again.

I really do enjoy PvE content though, PvP is fun but I enjoy grouping or instances and raids and clearing that kind of content. That is one of the reasons I have not engaged in playing WAR mainly because if all there is to do at the end game is PvP then I would probably get bored fairly quickly; which then brings me back to WoW because I can have some PvP maybe not as deep as WAR although Wrath of the Lich King may change that and have meaningful and fun PvE content.

I do agree Public Quests are awesome and I am sure in a future patch WoW will have a similar content introduced into their game. But that is just the evolution of the genre at work. What is going into this content patch in December?

[ClannerDelta]

I really do enjoy PvE content though, PvP is fun but I enjoy grouping or instances and raids and clearing that kind of content. That is one of the reasons I have not engaged in playing WAR mainly because if all there is to do at the end game is PvP then I would probably get bored fairly quickly; which then brings me back to WoW because I can have some PvP maybe not as deep as WAR although Wrath of the Lich King may change that and have meaningful and fun PvE content.

With that first paragraph in mind. I can't recommend it to you. The game has enough PvE to satisfy some people, but I doubt it's enough to satisfy someone who actually enjoyed WoW/EQ raiding.

[Vanifae]

You make it sound like enjoying high end raid or small group content is a bad thing, heh.

But yeah tht is the main reason I have not picked it up.

[ClannerDelta]

You make it sound like enjoying high end raid or small group content is a bad thing, heh.

But yeah tht is the main reason I have not picked it up.

I'm not and I used PvP instead of PvE on accident. Different tastes for different people. I'm just saying that if you like high end PvE raiding you probably wont find enough of it in WAR.

[Vanifae]

Yeah which sucks because now that they are bringing the Blackguard back... I want to play that.

[J Arcane]

I think it's the most streamlined and pure fun MMO out there, without question.

They've gone far farther than WoW in stripping out a lot of the timesink aspects of MMOs, and I really hope they don't backslide on that like WoW did.

You can pretty much hop into the game and always find something to do right away and you can play for just 20-30 minutes and still be accomplishing something, sort of like WoW before it stopped being WoW, only even better.

People bitch about the PvE and go on about how it's all PvP all the time, but I frankly don't know what the fuck they're talking about. I've mostly done PvE with a little PvP on the side and didn't find it in anyway inferior playing that way to any other MMO I've played. In fact, the tight nature of the zones, the drop-in nature of PQs, the minimal travel time, all add up to a game that is far more enjoyable and trouble free when it comes to the PvE game than any MMO I've ever played.

It's fun, lots of fun. My only complaint is that depending on what race you pick, getting enough player mass for some of the PQs can be rather difficult. The Orcs in particular seem to be oddly underpopulated, which is unfortunate because they're the best damn race there is.

[QueQueg]

Minimal travel time is probably my favorite feature at this point. Think about the Gadget->Winterspring flight path in WoW. So annoying. I'm also reminded of navigating a long series of hops in Eve. Same thing, except in Eve you might get jumped at any point, so at least it's mildly exciting (or super annoying.)

In WAR you have to watch a 10 second cut-scene, then POP, there you are.

[Lint of Death]

Minimal travel time is probably my favorite feature at this point. Think about the Gadget->Winterspring flight path in WoW. So annoying. I'm also reminded of navigating a long series of hops in Eve. Same thing, except in Eve you might get jumped at any point, so at least it's mildly exciting (or super annoying.)

In WAR you have to watch a 10 second cut-scene, then POP, there you are.

It's not as fast as Guild Wars, but isn't the trouble that if you're not at a spot with a flight master you have to run half the way across the zone just to reach him?

[J Arcane]

It's not as fast as Guild Wars, but isn't the trouble that if you're not at a spot with a flight master you have to run half the way across the zone just to reach him?
It was actually the in zone travel times I was thinking about. By and large the zones are pretty tightly packed, you rarely have to run very far or very long to get to something to do.

Guild Wars is actually a good example of the exact opposite. The zones are fucking huge and empty and so I tended to spend far more time running about than actually fighting things.

It's become pretty much my biggest pet peeve in MMOs, really, the ratio between time spent running about, and time spent actually fighting and doing stuff. WAR has the best ratio of any I've tried so far short of "instance hub" games like DDO, PSO or Dungeon Runners.

[Deadend]

I like WAR alot, but the game kind of falls apart for me when I hit tier 3. You get sent to tier 3 in terms of quests before you really should be there, and it kind of does not have enough quests per faction to give you levels... and there PQs are generally dead.

But goddam if tiers 1 and 2 were not some of the best MMO fun ever.

[QueQueg]

My DoK hit 20 the other night, and I started getting quests to kill 22+ dudes. I was like... well, OK. I could pull them off, but it was too slow, they resisted too much... and I was having more fun kill same-level guys fast.

So yeah, I agree on being sent to T3 too soon.

[QueQueg]

It's not as fast as Guild Wars, but isn't the trouble that if you're not at a spot with a flight master you have to run half the way across the zone just to reach him?

If possible, I set my Rally Point to war-camps only, so at least I can "hearth" and get back to a flight-master fast.

The only really annoying zones are the one's where there aren't any war-camps.

[Libuke]

My DoK hit 20 the other night, and I started getting quests to kill 22+ dudes. I was like... well, OK. I could pull them off, but it was too slow, they resisted too much... and I was having more fun kill same-level guys fast.

So yeah, I agree on being sent to T3 too soon.

I didn't get to tier three until 22, I do a lot of scenarios and open rvr whenever the messages show up.

[Rilav]

WAR is awesome and this is why

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/warcade/RilavF_005.jpg

that's right..

I'm a bear that can build turrets.

[ClannerDelta]

WAR is awesome and this is why

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/warcade/RilavF_005.jpg

that's right..

I'm a bear that can build turrets.

It's unfortunate your class is seen as useless outside of magnet. :p

[Rilav]

the fact that I get top 3 damage in most matches begs to differ.

[ClannerDelta]

the fact that I get top 3 damage in most matches begs to differ.

It was an offhanded jab, but no it really doesn't. A good Engie/Magus is great to have, but the kind of wide range damage, dots, and debuffs require a good group to exploit. It lowers their effective DPS to around 60% what it would otherwise be.

After 30, you no longer run into Engies that aren't Tinker spec.

[Rilav]

After 30, you no longer run into Engies that aren't Tinker spec.

I've never been a fan of being the same spec as everybody else.

[Press Ninja]

It's unfortunate your class is seen as useless outside of magnet. :p

I can turn into a Skaven, a Skeleton and a bear. I daresay I win. Also my last name is thunderbuns.

[CptTripps]

I thought DAOC had a decent level of high end raid content so I know Mythic is capable. I believe it will come. For being months old this game is pretty fantastic.

I am really enjoying WAR in regards to leveling, having money, support\updates and the PvP is excellent in my mind. With Mythic putting emphasis on making open RvR more rewarding I will be subscribing for another six month chunk, maybe more.

[Loki]

Recently cancelled my account. I have way too much going on and tired of the inadequate balancing situation that Mythic keeps putting itself into.

[lilibat]

I hate PvP in every game i have ever played... except WAR. I mean hate, loathe, despise and revile... except I love it in WAR.

There are a lot of problems still, but it's also new.

[Primus]

I don't see how people say the PvE is not as good as WoW. Is there anyone else out there that sees them as pretty much interchangeable? They are the same god damn game PvE-wise if you ask me!

I feel that the developers were WoW fans that sat down and said "Ok so WoW is a great MMO model, but what are the little things in it that annoy the average user?" They tweaked travel times, handling quest items, PvP experience... there were many things I was very thrilled and surprised about when I first noticed them.

There is no competition as far as PvP. WAR wins hands down.

[QueQueg]

I agree that WAR PvE has the potential to be awesome, but I think in a way, good RvR hurts PvE.

The downside to RvR being so good in WAR is that PQs are dead. I'm playing on a pretty high population server, so scenarios pop almost instantly, which is awesome, but it seems like everyone is scenario-grinding. On my sorcerer, I hit level 21 with all level 13-15 gear, because I hadn't been out in the PvE world getting upgrades.