MLB Postseason 2010

[Banacek]

Sorry if there is a thread somewhere else...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=301006122

Doc throws the first no-hitter in post-season in 54 years.

Go Phils!

[Blue]

The Phillies suck. And so do their fans.

Yeah.

Sigh.

[Sandman]

The Phillies suck. And so do their fans.

Yeah.

Sigh.

On this, we agree. Go Braves!

and to a lesser extent; Go Rays!

[roboninja]

I'm pulling for the Phillies now. Doc deserves this. He has been the best pitcher in the league for some time, but is finally on a team that gets the recognition, and gets to the postseason

[Spectre-7]

Go Giants!

[maharahaj]

I'll be at the Phillies' game 2 this Friday, section 303 in right-center field. I also have tickets to game 2 of the NLCS and Game 7 of the World Series if it comes to that! Getting post-season tickets is one of the perks of being a partial season ticket holder for the Phillies (17 regular season games) for three years running now.

[Troggles]

I'm pulling for a Twins - Braves World Series. I hope the Twins win, and I'd like to see Bobby Cox's last season to at least be in the World Series.

As for me and my Cubbies...there's always some year.

[Khrymsyn]

Go Phillies!

[Dark Prince]

Go Yanks!!

:D

[Urizen]

I'm just really happy for Halladay. I also hope Lincecum throws the lights out on his nights.

[Zanzibar]

Halladay was huge. Seriously, what kind of ice does that mofo have running through his veins? I'm not a Phillies fan, but man, that's one fucking impressive feat.

[raymeswh]

Halladay is a monster, good for him. But... LETS GO YANKEES!!! Rivera looked great last night, and they overcame Liriano for the comeback win. Hoping they demolish Glass Carl Pavano tonight.

[Zanzibar]

Halladay is a monster, good for him. But... LETS GO YANKEES!!! Rivera looked great last night, and they overcame Liriano for the comeback win. Hoping they demolish Glass Carl Pavano tonight.

“Our lineup is so deep, there’s never a reason to give up,” Teixeira said. “There’s some teams where maybe two or three guys carry the team and if you’re in a big hole it’s tough to get out of. But with our lineup, we can be down four, five, six runs and still have a chance to score seven or eight. We just haven’t given up all year.”

A $200m payroll will do that for you. Seriously, though, isn't it embarrassing that you guys lost the division title to a team with about 1/3rd your team salary?

[raymeswh]

A $200m payroll will do that for you. Seriously, though, isn't it embarrassing that you guys lost the division title to a team with about 1/3rd your team salary?

It's not embarrassing at all, Tampa has been so awful for so many years since they came into the league, their scouts were able to build a great team from the draft. After this year, they're going to have a tough time after losing Garza and Crawford. I expect the same from the Washington Nationals after Harper and(if he can stay healthy) Strausberg after they hit their strides.

Also, as any baseball fan knows, you dont need to win the division to win the world series.

[Zanzibar]

It's not embarrassing at all, Tampa has been so awful for so many years since they came into the league, their scouts were able to build a great team from the draft. After this year, they're going to have a tough time after losing Garza and Crawford. I expect the same from the Washington Nationals after Harper and(if he can stay healthy) Strausberg after they hit their strides.

Also, as any baseball fan knows, you dont need to win the division to win the world series.

I think you're missing my point. Or you are rationalizing.

Here's the true test:

Do you think a Salary Cap, in a fashion similar to the NBA, would be good for baseball? Why/why not?

[pronounconnoun]

Anyone but the Giants.

And fuck the Yankees.

[Banacek]

Do you think a Salary Cap, in a fashion similar to the NBA, would be good for baseball? Why/why not?

The owners of the bottom ranked teams don't seem to mind, with the revenue sharing and all.

[Zanzibar]

The owners of the bottom ranked teams don't seem to mind, with the revenue sharing and all.

You think they don't mind being at the bottom, basically being a minor league franchise for the Yankees, who raid the talent that they've been cultivating at ridiculous prices that they can't match? You think they are happy with the terrible ticket sales they get because the fans don't want to see their local teams get destroyed every year?

Now THAT'S rationalizing. Well done.

EDIT: I guess I should expand this beyond the Yankees, but they are clearly the worst offender.

I wanna play 160 games of chess with a Yankees fan, where he gets a standard set of chess pieces and I get all queens. At the end of those 160 games, I get to take his queen and he doesn't have it for the next season.

[Urizen]

Anyone but the Giants.

And fuck the Yankees.

Giants are awesome, and have a better park, than the A's.

I hate that every baseball conversation everywhere has to involve talk of the Yank's payroll. I went to school in New England and started watching baseball around Red Sox fans, so it's the same boat financially. Even though it helps a hell of a lot, money alone doesn't give you rings.

[Banacek]

Yes, yes I do. The Pirates and the Royals owners are more then happy with making money hand over fist without having to spend anything towards improving their product. As business owners I think they love it, it's a business plan dream come true. Some owners DO NOT CARE about winning, only profits. Nothing new to this.

[Zanzibar]

Giants are awesome, and have a better park, than the A's.

I hate that every baseball conversation everywhere has to involve talk of the Yank's payroll. I went to school in New England and started watching baseball around Red Sox fans, so it's the same boat financially. Even though it helps a hell of a lot, money alone doesn't give you rings.

I really am sorry. I simply get triggered by the smug Yankees fans' 'Wow, we're so great!' When you're paying 25% more than the nearest closest competitor for the talent, and double more than 24 of the 32 teams, then settling for a wild card spot seems like abject failure to me.

And while you're right that money doesn't get rings, you have to admit that the ability to raid other teams for their top talent is unfair. The entire system seems to revolve around small-market clubs having talent just long enough so they're ready to go to a big-market team.

[pronounconnoun]

Giants are awesome, and have a better park, than the A's.

I hate that every baseball conversation everywhere has to involve talk of the Yank's payroll. I went to school in New England and started watching baseball around Red Sox fans, so it's the same boat financially. Even though it helps a hell of a lot, money alone doesn't give you rings.

The park is nice, but in a corporate, non-baseball way. I actually hate the right field. It's bullshit. I like symmetrical stadiums like Dodger stadium. Also, go Dodgers!

I actually like the Giants more this year because the fans have been humbled a little bit. As a Dodgers fan, I've had a lot of people go out of their way to harass me. Not so much this year. Quite tame actually.

[raymeswh]

I think you're missing my point. Or you are rationalizing.

Here's the true test:

Do you think a Salary Cap, in a fashion similar to the NBA, would be good for baseball? Why/why not?

A theoretical salary cap would work (depending on the specifics), as long as revenue sharing went away. (I dont follow the NBA so I cant speak to that). you cant have both.

Do I think that the MLBPA will ever allow a salary cap? never. Do I want one? Hell no

[Kagger]

Yes, yes I do. The Pirates and the Royals owners are more then happy with making money hand over fist without having to spend anything towards improving their product. As business owners I think they love it, it's a business plan dream come true. Some owners DO NOT CARE about winning, only profits. Nothing new to this.

We are talking pure extremes here. The Pirates owner should have his team revoked. He pays his entire payroll from the luxury tax, and pockets the rest. Its a crime, but Baseball is too spineless to do anything.

The Red Sox are the same boat as the Yankees. Rather than talking about the Pirates, let's look at the Brewers and Astros. The Astros owner went out and spent money for one or two seasons back in 2004, and got to the World Series. But, we couldn't keep that kind of thing up. We fell back, and will rebuild with young talent for 5-6 years, try one for one missing piece (Like a final pitcher etc), and make a few post season runs.

The Yankees went out and bought 1/3 of a a new team, for extended contracts. They continue to spend. I'll give them credit, Jeter and Rivera are home grown, but a ton their players aren't.

There are owners who just want a few bucks. But there are also 10 or so Teams who can only compete every few years at great expense. The Marlins did it twice. Bought a ring, dumped the team the next year. That's not good for the sport, the fans catch on.

In the NFL, the Dolphins went 1-15 one year, and nearly made the playoffs the next. There's parity.

Another thing that kills baseball is the only 8 teams make the playoffs. You don't give the small salary team a chance because they can't recover from the ups and downs of 162 game season. Expand that to 12 and you have a better chance of non big name teams winning because they can get hot.

[Zanzibar]

The Yankees went out and bought 1/3 of a a new team, for extended contracts. They continue to spend. I'll give them credit, Jeter and Rivera are home grown, but a ton their players aren't.
Bringing up 'home grown' superstar Yankees is ironic, because where would they go exactly? Those 2 players make $35m yearly.

I tell you, the two most feared words in New York is 'salary cap'.

[Purple Santa]

Go Yanks! Sweep at home!

[Zanzibar]

Wow, that was quite a gem by Lincecum. Regardless of the questionable call at 2nd, a 2-hit 14k shutout is worthy of a win.

[Kagger]

Wow, that was quite a gem by Lincecum. Regardless of the questionable call at 2nd, a 2-hit 14k shutout is worthy of a win.

I'm not defending them. My point was they do have players who have played their whole career there. They invest in a farm system. They could nuke the farm system and just go for free agents.

I'm no Yankee's fan or anything. But Jeter and Rivera are two class acts.

[Urizen]

The park is nice, but in a corporate, non-baseball way. I actually hate the right field. It's bullshit. I like symmetrical stadiums like Dodger stadium. Also, go Dodgers!

I actually like the Giants more this year because the fans have been humbled a little bit. As a Dodgers fan, I've had a lot of people go out of their way to harass me. Not so much this year. Quite tame actually.

I'm trying to pin you down. So you're pro-Dodgers and anti-Giants in the fall, but in late spring, you're anti-Lakers?

Also, I want to see the Phillies and Giants advance just to see Halladay and Lincecum face off against each other two, maybe three, times.

[Zanzibar]

I'm not defending them. My point was they do have players who have played their whole career there. They invest in a farm system. They could nuke the farm system and just go for free agents.

I'm no Yankee's fan or anything. But Jeter and Rivera are two class acts.
It's not like these guys are taking a pay cut to stay with the Yankees. I'll say again - it's 35 MILLION DOLLARS these two guys made this year. If there was a salary cap, then perhaps another team could have lured Jeter or Rivera away, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. As it is, the Yankees just balloon their payroll by another 5% and they can offer these guys max contracts to stay.

[pronounconnoun]

I'm trying to pin you down. So you're pro-Dodgers and anti-Giants in the fall, but in late spring, you're anti-Lakers?

Born and raised a Dodgers fan. I really don't care about the Giants, but Giants fans care about the Dodgers a little too much. Living in SF has brought out an animosity towards the Giants that is inorganic to my personality. Usually I'm a live and let live kind of guy. Fuck the Yankees.

Lakers: I hate bandwagons. When I was in middle school/high school when they were winning all those fucking championships, people that couldn't tell the difference between a basketball and a hockey puck started flying those fucking flags on their windows and buying $100 dollar nose bleed seats to see the Championship Lakers at the Staples Center causing so much traffic and people overall being overall dicks about a team/sport they know nothing of. Kind of the same reason I don't like a lot of Yankees fans. People only like them because they win and have a history of winning, not because they are genuine fans.

I'm not a huge basketball fan. I watch baseball and sometime soccer (futbol) and hockey. My brother is a huge Kings (hockey) fan, but I haven't been to a game yet. Maybe this winter.

Edit: I basically hate any team Jack Nicholson likes.

[maharahaj]

Just got back from the Phillies game. So awesome; especially seeing how Chapman got loose with his pitching and lit up by the Phils in the 7th despite pitching 100-102mph balls.

[Sandman]

Come on Braves!

[Banacek]

Just got back from the Phillies game. So awesome; especially seeing how Chapman got loose with his pitching and lit up by the Phils in the 7th despite pitching 100-102mph balls.

Seriously, you guys need to find out who is whistling right into the broadcast microphones and put a stop to them.

[Urizen]

Born and raised a Dodgers fan. I really don't care about the Giants, but Giants fans care about the Dodgers a little too much. Living in SF has brought out an animosity towards the Giants that is inorganic to my personality. Usually I'm a live and let live kind of guy. Fuck the Yankees.

Lakers: I hate bandwagons. When I was in middle school/high school when they were winning all those fucking championships, people that couldn't tell the difference between a basketball and a hockey puck started flying those fucking flags on their windows and buying $100 dollar nose bleed seats to see the Championship Lakers at the Staples Center causing so much traffic and people overall being overall dicks about a team/sport they know nothing of. Kind of the same reason I don't like a lot of Yankees fans. People only like them because they win and have a history of winning, not because they are genuine fans.

I'm not a huge basketball fan. I watch baseball and sometime soccer (futbol) and hockey. My brother is a huge Kings (hockey) fan, but I haven't been to a game yet. Maybe this winter.

Edit: I basically hate any team Jack Nicholson likes.

This is interesting.

Not being raised in the US, I don't have much geographic attachment anywhere; I'm more attached to certain personalities, wherever they are. Regarding the Yankees, as this thread demonstrates, you're likely to meet antagonism towards them in any neutral place. I don't think that happens for any other team, anywhere. I don't follow hockey, but maybe it happens to Red Wings fans.

I feel if you're a Yankees fan, and have the thick skin to bear the insults and scrutiny from virtually every other baseball fan, you're in it for real. As for the Lakers, it's 90% bandwagon. All chaff. It's really disgusting.

I assume every Laker jersey/cap/car flag/purple-and-gold sneaker is just some poser.

For what it's worth, Fuck Man U. And fuck Rangers.

Getting back to the thread, disappointing job by the Giants today. Phillies have already booked their tickets.

[pronounconnoun]

Lincicum can't save their butts every time.

[Purple Santa]

This is interesting.

Not being raised in the US, I don't have much geographic attachment anywhere; I'm more attached to certain personalities, wherever they are. Regarding the Yankees, as this thread demonstrates, you're likely to meet antagonism towards them in any neutral place. I don't think that happens for any other team, anywhere. I don't follow hockey, but maybe it happens to Red Wings fans.

I feel if you're a Yankees fan, and have the thick skin to bear the insults and scrutiny from virtually every other baseball fan, you're in it for real. As for the Lakers, it's 90% bandwagon. All chaff. It's really disgusting.


The Yankee hate has gone on for a very long time. That's nothing new. It's sports, people have their opinions teams/players. I like to take my thick skin and just nod a lot :) And my allegiance for the Yankees is due to my father who grew up in the Bronx watching them play. My first Yankee player I liked was Roy White. I might be a bandwagon jumper but i'm an old bandwagon jumper :p

[maharahaj]

Seriously, you guys need to find out who is whistling right into the broadcast microphones and put a stop to them.

I too have noticed that the broadcast microphones have been placed in terrible positions lately when they are playing at Citizen's Bank Park. I have heard a ton of "shits" and "fuck" on live air from the fans during the course of many games. I would have thought that someone would have complained to whoever officiates that type of stuff, forcing the broadcast stations to relocate their mics further away from the crowd.

I can't speak about last nights game though, as I was in Section 309 at the time!

[Purple Santa]

WTF Texas, no sweep?

[Khrymsyn]

I too have noticed that the broadcast microphones have been placed in terrible positions lately when they are playing at Citizen's Bank Park. I have heard a ton of "shits" and "fuck" on live air from the fans during the course of many games. I would have thought that someone would have complained to whoever officiates that type of stuff, forcing the broadcast stations to relocate their mics further away from the crowd.

It's philly. They probably did it on purpose and have specific mics queued UP to hear the profanities more clearly.

[Zanzibar]

Brooks Conrad. How can you not feel awful for the guy?

[Banacek]

Brooks Conrad. How can you not feel awful for the guy?

He plays for the Braves. He gets what he deserves :p

[Spectre-7]

Go Giants!

Just to reiterate...

Go Giants!

I also grabbed this shot off of last night's game, and just had to add a little caption. Pardon the shoddy design work; I didn't want to spend more than a few minutes on it.

https://sites.google.com/site/spectre7/Home/WhySoSerious_WS.jpg

[Banacek]

Well, at least a NL team won (silver lining).

[roboninja]

Grats to the Giants. They were lights-out with the pitching.

[Lance Uppercut]

Congratulations to Brian Wilson for helping win a World Series after a successful career with the Beach Boys.

[Khrymsyn]

Congrats to the Giants


Including the 12 year old girl they got pitching for them
=)