Banned from EvAv

[fitbabits]

You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
Really classy, Phil. Really classy.

Somehow I've gone from "honored guest" to pariah.

[KingGorilla]

Serves you right.

[Loki_09]

You have been banned for the following reason:
Stealing all my regular posters
Date the ban will be lifted: Never

[Schnoogs]

Wow...that says it all right there. How many years have you known him...helped his site?

What a shame...I will gladly donate here...I will also never step foot over there again.

[LongStepMantis]

Dick move? yes.

Surprising though? Not at all.
He basically wrote all of you out of existence immediately following your departure. As if you had never even been there.

I really hope that isn't how he goes about his police work. But I have a feeling it is.
He's a "sad little king, of a sad little hill".

[TheKeck]

Evil sure knows how to honor a guest.

[bone_matrix]

I thought you were banned when the whole proverbial shit hit the fan?

Still though, douchebaggery.

[bapenguin]

Me too. Really really pisses me off.

It's like he blames us for everything.

[Blue]

You just say the word and I'll re-log into there and create holy hell.

[LongStepMantis]

I'm sure he's butthurt. I logged in to see what the status of the Subscriber's forum was...10 threads, most of which have <10 replies.

The really hilarious observation though? That Evil was talking about how wrong the "EA is banning people" in relation to having a Spore acct fiasco was, saying it was a dick move by them to ban people so easily.

Let me reiterate...Evil...said they were wrong to ban people for such trivial offenses.
Let that sink in.

[Squidbot]

I'm not defending the man in any way, bbut he probably feels betrayed by you guys. Ridiculous, yes, but he clearly cannot be man enough to shoulder any blame himself, so it is much easier to shift it to others.

[Johan]

Somehow I've gone from "honored guest" to pariah.

That message...

You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never

...seems awfully familiar. In fact, remarkably so...

:( I'm not bitter. Just sad. :(

[fitbabits]

I'm not defending the man in any way, bbut he probably feels betrayed by you guys. Ridiculous, yes, but he clearly cannot be man enough to shoulder any blame himself, so it is much easier to shift it to others.
If he feels betrayed by us, imagine how we feel.

[Ancalagon]

Me too. Really really pisses me off.

It's like he blames us for everything.

I think thats exactly the point.

From what we have seen, he probably sees you guys as the troublemakers who stole half of his community. I honestly believe he is that self centred and delusional.

[Grifter]

It's like he blames us for everything.

He's a coward and that's what cowards do.

[Urizen]

What's funny is that the most prolific poster in EvAv history now is Kamalot.

[DoctorFinger]

To anyone offering to go back there and start trouble: don't. The best thing you can do is simply delete that site from your bookmarks and encourage anyone else you know to do the same. By going over there to start trouble you're still giving him page views. The old adage is true in this case: the best revenge is living well.

[BabyJesus]

Me too. Really really pisses me off.

It's like he blames us for everything.

Kinda sucks over there now. Not that I was the biggest poster or even remotely one of the "popular kids", but I almost always enjoyed you guys. Except when I missed some of the inside jokes.

Oh well I will probably get banned over there for even posting this.

[digitalErich]

Don't let it get to you. For the past 3 weeks it seems like any new thread over there, even front page stuff, has struggled to break 20 posts.

I'm not implying that I or you want EvAv to fail but you can't help notice that things have taken a serious downturn over there...his reaction isn't that surprising in that context. It's still a dick move, but not surprising.

[Sandman]

Welcome to the club.

[Aggort]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he eventually went through the members list here and at EvAv banning all identical names.

[National Kato]

Definitely do not go back and start trouble. Visiting and posting - even in an anarchistic sense - only shows everyone how much it really still affects you.

[Wolvie]

Banned because you left to start a new site? That's like disowning a sibling for moving to another state.

I suspected Evil was insane, and now my suspicion is confirmed.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he eventually went through the members list here and at EvAv banning all identical names.

I wouldn't either. I wonder if he'll start with the users who haven't logged in, in a long time, like me.

... BRB

[NoName]

To anyone offering to go back there and start trouble: don't. The best thing you can do is simply delete that site from your bookmarks and encourage anyone else you know to do the same. By going over there to start trouble you're still giving him page views. The old adage is true in this case: the best revenge is living well.

While this is true, I still have a large urge to call a piking. Oh what delicious irony that would be... :D

[shunoshi]

It's too bad that it had to come to this, but I can't say I'm surprised. Bap and Fitty getting perma-banned from there is a perfect summarization of why all of this went down in the first place. Let Evil go home with his ball; we have a much better ball here to play with.

[TheKeck]

Kinda sucks over there now. Not that I was the biggest poster or even remotely one of the "popular kids", but I almost always enjoyed you guys. Except when I missed some of the inside jokes.

Oh well I will probably get banned over there for even posting this.
You think Evil really reads threads over here and bans people based on them?

[LongStepMantis]

To anyone offering to go back there and start trouble: don't. The best thing you can do is simply delete that site from your bookmarks and encourage anyone else you know to do the same. By going over there to start trouble you're still giving him page views. The old adage is true in this case: the best revenge is living well.

Exactly. I may occasionally mock EvAv here, but It's foolish to think stirring the pot would do anything remotely useful.

You think Evil really reads threads over here and bans people based on them?

I wouldn't put it past him, seriously.

[fitbabits]

I emailed Phil and asked for his reason. We'll see.

Ordinarily I wouldn't give a crap, but there's so much here that gets under my skin and I feel needs to be addressed.

[NoName]

Know what's funny, if you do a search for Evil Avatar at Wikipedia, the first result is the CoG page...

[shunoshi]

While this is true, I still have a large urge to call a piking. Oh what delicious irony that would be... :D

If the powers that be here called for such action, I'd be on it like flies on stink. :D


><))))'>

[fitbabits]

Know what's funny, if you do a search for Evil Avatar at Wikipedia, the first result is the CoG page...
Well then... :)

[Generation ABXY]

So, does this mean any chance at a grand reconciliation is off the table now?

[fitbabits]

So, does this mean any chance at a grand reconciliation is off the table now?
I've offered to have a mature and open debate about this with Phil, but he obviously considers me persona non grata.

[Loki_09]

Can someone explain the whole ><))))'> thing to me... I'm at a loss.

[fitbabits]

You have been banned for the following reason:
Stealing all my regular posters
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
Is that for real? The reason you're banned is you "stole all his regular posters?" And I thought it was a free country.

What I suspect he really means is that you somehow are responsible for severing his money line.

[Loki_09]

Is that for real? The reason you're banned is you "stole all his regular posters?" And I thought it was a free country.

What I suspect he really means is that you somehow are responsible for severing his money line.

That was just a joke, as far as I know I'm not banned.

[National Kato]

Can someone explain the whole ><))))'> thing to me... I'm at a loss.

The first rule of Pike Club is to never talk about Pike Club.

[fitbabits]

That was just a joke, as far as I know I'm not banned.
Ah. Phew.

[Food Nipple]

Is that for real? The reason you're banned is you "stole all his regular posters?" And I thought it was a free country.

What I suspect he really means is that you somehow are responsible for severing his money line.

Your sarcasm meter is broken ;)

You have been banned for the following reason:
My wikipedia article got deleted. STOP VANDALIZING THIS PAGE.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never

[shunoshi]

The first rule of Pike Club is to never talk about Pike Club.

The second rule of Pike Club is....you get the idea.

[Loki_09]

The first rule of Pike Club is to never talk about Pike Club.

Well thats a silly rule... how will you rally those to your cause?

[Wolvie]

Well thats a silly rule... how will you rally those to your cause?

Post cards. :D

[cppcrusader]

I emailed Phil and asked for his reason. We'll see.

Ordinarily I wouldn't give a crap, but there's so much here that gets under my skin and I feel needs to be addressed.

I'm willing to bet its because he's pissy over the deletion of EvAv's wiki entry.

[fitbabits]

I'm willing to bet its because he's pissy over the deletion of EvAv's wiki entry.
Wait, the EvAv Wiki page got deleted? What the hell?!?!

[Mdot]

Wow that's friggin pathetic. Any morsel of respect I had left is long gone now.

[Evewalker]

Yeah, there is absolutely no reason to let it bother you. On a whim I checked out EvAv for the first time in a month the other day, and it feels like a ghost town compared to CoG.

He's just displaying the traits of the angry, bitter man that he is.

[Johan]

What the hell?!?!

That page is still up. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_comedy)

So is this one! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell)

And...THIS one! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_%26_Friends)

[Ancalagon]

Ha ha ha ha! The EvAv page was deleted because the site isnt notable! Thats hilarious!

Also, read this choice quote on the motivation for deletion:

Still non-notable. Does not meet WP:WEB. Has no alexa ranking, and only 11 forum members.

11 forum members?

Also, another one:

Delete - It is clear to me that the site's management are not interested in allowing an unbiased reporting of the facts, and given the difficulty of verifying sources and the level of notability of the site, the amount of effort required to outpace their managements attempts to whitewash the article should it be allowed to continue are too much to be worth it

Note that they also want to delete the CoG page, because it was formed after an internal schism 2 months ago. 2 months ago is an eternity in internet time!

[fitbabits]

That page is still up. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_comedy)
You're a laugh-riot, Sir.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Ha ha ha ha! The EvAv page was deleted because the site isnt notable! Thats hilarious!

Neither is ours, though.

We have 90 members online right now to his 49, but EvAv has way, way more guests. We need to up our number of news posts and advertise to all the right places so more people know we exist.

[Johan]

You're a laugh-riot, Sir.

You quoted too quickly.

Here's another hellish entry! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_montana)

[cppcrusader]

Wait, the EvAv Wiki page got deleted? What the hell?!?!

Yep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Avatar), the only way I could find the deleted page was via CoG's entry. Looks like the delete discussion has been going on the last couple days, and I noticed someone in that discussion has suggested CoG's entry be deleted as well.

[TheKeck]

Wait, the EvAv Wiki page got deleted? What the hell?!?!
Looks like the CoG entry is in danger, as well.

This article is written like an advertisement.
Please help rewrite this article from a neutral point of view.
For blatant advertising that would require a fundamental rewrite to become encyclopedic, use {{db-spam}} to mark for speedy deletion. (October 2008)
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This article has been tagged since October 2008.

[Bone]

To anyone offering to go back there and start trouble: don't. The best thing you can do is simply delete that site from your bookmarks and encourage anyone else you know to do the same. By going over there to start trouble you're still giving him page views. The old adage is true in this case: the best revenge is living well.
They say the best revenge is living well, but I always find a nice bit of violence does the trick.

But yes, I actually agree with you. Best to leave him with nobody but his new crop of blindly faithful posters- who one day will discover the truth for themselves.

[BabyJesus]

You think Evil really reads threads over here and bans people based on them?

Not sure, but the ban stick seems to be warmed and ready for use lately and evil may feels like its a slight to him to say it "sucks over there".

[Typical Michael]

Heck with them, our beer is colder and our jukebox has all the good songs on it.

[Norse]

Everyone should be banned from EvAv

[roboninja]

Heck with them, our beer is colder and our jukebox has all the good songs on it.

Plus, we have the god-damned Batman.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Wow, it'd been a while since I've been over there. Evil is actually posting news now? That's funny. The only time I've ever seen him post to the front page is when he was asking for money.

[DoctorFinger]

Wow, it'd been a while since I've been over there. Evil is actually posting news now? That's funny. The only time I've ever seen him post to the front page is when he was asking for money.After the whole Magic PC deal he began posting news again, but right now I think modeps and Emabulator still do most of the news.

[divinechaos]

I think Evil, modeps and Avnovice are the only ones posting news now. Ah, how times have changed.

[Primus]

Heck with them, our beer is colder and our jukebox has all the good songs on it.

For me, I now have two fairly slow forums, with identical news pages. It is annoying to have to vist both sites to recieve half the activity as the unified Evil Avatar.

[NoName]

Everyone should be banned from EvAv

I know, I feel sort of left out that my account still isn't banned. On the other hand I have no desire to visit that site again. So even if I did get banned I probably wouldn't notice :).

[Nerdious]

You have been banned for the following reason:
Exceeding 11 Megafonzies
Date the ban will be lifted: Never

Oh well I guess it wasn't meant to be.;)

[BabyJesus]

Can someone fill me in on the Magic PC? I am totally lost with that whole thing.

[NoName]

Can someone fill me in on the Magic PC? I am totally lost with that whole thing.

Haha, that drama gives a new meaning to long story.

Plot Summary: Evil made the claim to run most modern games (notably Crysis) on a computer that doesn't cost a bazillion dollars you need a "Magic PC". It caught on quickly and Evil was not pleased. Banning and drama ensued.

[President Fred]

While I find the whole banning thing as childish as everyone else, I can't help but feel that if he had put rabble-rousing as the reason I would have thought it was a little funny.

[DangerousDaze]

Don't be downhearted. Be proud of what you achieved there and be sure that CoG is more than a decent legacy to your efforts on our behalf. The future's bright! :)

[Squidbot]

While this is true, I still have a large urge to call a piking. Oh what delicious irony that would be... :D

Pike team assemble!

Only kidding, although it would be bloody funny.

[MachEnergy]

I still find it amazing that I'll visit EvAv whenever I'm REALLY bored, and the post counts on news stories is NOTHING compared to what it used to be. It's like the site got hit with a massive Slow spell or something.

I think this place is so much better. I am all about spreading the COG name.

[Lint of Death]

I'm not banned! Evil loves me. Maybe it's because of what I did to Fitty McBabits :p

[quidmonkey]

What irritates me is that I'm still receiving emails for subscribed threads, even though I chose to not receive any further emails in my profile weeks ago.

[Froghourt]

Has anyone else been receiving Giveaway emails from EA lately? I have never gotten any before I came here, and suddenly I have 2 in my inbox.

Edit: I suck at sentences.

[rinichanraar]

What irritates me is that I'm still receiving emails for subscribed threads, even though I chose to not receive any further emails in my profile weeks ago.
Has anyone else been receiving Giveaway emails from EA lately? I have never gotten before I came here, and suddenly I have in my inbox.

I've been getting e-mails notifying me of giveaways, too. But it's weird because most of the time they go to my old e-mail address, but the other day, I got one to my regular e-mail. I'm thinking they were going to my old addy because I might have the alt account "rini" that I never used linked to it. But then that makes me wonder why I wasn't getting them sent to my Gmail for my regular account. :confused:

[fitbabits]

Has anyone else been receiving Giveaway emails from EA lately? I have never gotten before I came here, and suddenly I have in my inbox.
I've heard that the site's been spamming members with alerts on giveaways, etc. I've also heard that those who donated previously, and who still frequent EvAv, have been receiving emails from Evil begging for more money to help with "hosting costs."

[Arphahat]

If I were in Evil's position, once I knew you were gone for good, I, too, would ban so that no further "rabble-rousing" could continue.

You are better off not being able to go back. In other words: Fitbabbits is dead! Long live JAYoung!

[Disgustipated]

I was the first user "banned" after CoG was formed, and I don't miss it at all. That site has fallen into disrepair. When there's no one left but him and that nutter Dirty Harry, he'll still refuse to apologize.

[BreakerX]

Reasons like this are why my homepage is here now instead of EvAv

[Young Al Capone]

I cannot even log in, I don't think I forgot my password or anything, but I cannot get into my account anymore.

I too have been getting the emails, that I never used to get before the whole shabackle.

As for Evil's recent behavior, pretty ridiculous but not really surprising. I just wonder how he justifies his behavior to himself.

[GigaFuzz]

I've not received anything. It'd be funny if I did, however.

[Slack3r78]

Standing in line waiting to (early) vote and my last post didn't go through. Curse you EDGE!

Anyway, what I said was Captain Douchebag strikesa again!

Also, he'd already banned my work IP despite not having logged in for nearly 2 months.

The most amusing thing, though, is that I'd made an edit to the wiki without being logged in so it listed my phone's IP in the edit history, so he banned that too.

[Lint of Death]

The most amusing thing, though, is that I'd made an edit to the wiki without being logged in so it listed my phone's IP in the edit history, so he banned that too.

That's hilarious.

[National Kato]

I have received the beta key giveaway emails...but no donation solicitations or anything else.

[Lekon]

I wonder if Giga can request his money back? He did donate an apparently obscene amount.

[Mortis]

I have received giveaway e-mails but nothing begging for money, that is just sad. I haven't been there since the exodus and I won't return.

[fitbabits]

I have received giveaway e-mails but nothing begging for money, that is just sad. I haven't been there since the exodus and I won't return.
The donation requests are being sent to people still at EvAv who have not yet made an appearance over here.

[Bone]

My guess is that Evil created an account here, read the threads exposing his fraud and cowardice, and is pissed that you guys finally shared the truth (you bastards).

[n3rdXcore]

I think the only time we should head back over and post on EvAv is when he calls for a donation drive on the main page. That's the only time I feel like the readers over there should know what's happening with their money.

[biosc1]

The donation requests are being sent to people still at EvAv who have not yet made an appearance over here.

Ah...

Well, I still go there occasionally when an RSS subject interests me, or to visit the NHL 09 thread...or if there is a delightful picture of a pretty girl.... ;)

[Bone]

I think the only time we should head back over and post on EvAv is when he calls for a donation drive on the main page. That's the only time I feel like the readers over there should know what's happening with their money.
It's useless. You may get in a post or two before the ban-storm starts again. Revisionist history FTL.

[fitbabits]

I think the only time we should head back over and post on EvAv is when he calls for a donation drive on the main page. That's the only time I feel like the readers over there should know what's happening with their money.
That's an interesting point. I wonder, though, if he's taking the route of emailing people for donations instead of doing the usual drive? I mean, it would be anarchy if he front-paged a donation drive.

[Slack3r78]

The donation requests are being sent to people still at EvAv who have not yet made an appearance over here.
I'm almost starting to wonder if I wrongly attributed to malice (lying about how much the site makes on advertising) with sheer, staggering, unbelievable incompetence.

[Slack3r78]

My guess is that Evil created an account here, read the threads exposing his fraud and cowardice, and is pissed that you guys finally shared the truth (you bastards).
I'm fairly certain he's watching. My IP ban came after revealing my wikipedia user name here. I hadn't been logged in at EvAv since August after the Magic PC thing.

[Froghourt]

I've heard that the site's been spamming members with alerts on giveaways, etc. I've also heard that those who donated previously, and who still frequent EvAv, have been receiving emails from Evil begging for more money to help with "hosting costs."

That seems likely, as Evil is (probably) desperate to get some people back on the site, at least some donating people.

[sparkfizt]

I do find it funny to look at the list of users logged in at EvAv, it was'nt too long ago the majority were orange and above, and now it's a sea of yellows :P

the most fitting thing would be for the quantity of "guests" to be high enough to drain his hosting costs into the red, or force even more obnoxious ads further degrading things.

[Slack3r78]

I do find it funny to look at the list of users logged in at EvAv, it was'nt too long ago the majority were orange and above, and now it's a sea of yellows :P
Sea? Puddle of yellow is more accurate.

Come to think of it, that's a surprisingly apt description...

[Psykoboy2]

Just wait a few more weeks. He's going to really be upset.

[Arphahat]

Just wait a few more weeks. He's going to really be upset.

Ooo! Ooo! Hints of cool things to come! Tell me! Tell me! Tellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellme!!

[Wolvie]

My guess is that Evil created an account here, read the threads exposing his fraud and cowardice, and is pissed that you guys finally shared the truth (you bastards).

Check out the member list, there IS a member named Evil Avatar. I doubt it's him... but...

[Generation ABXY]

Is it just me, or do some people here seem to be taking an obscene amount of glee from that site's potential downfall? I'm sure they have their reasons, but, really, it seems kind of sick...

[Slack3r78]

Ooo! Ooo! Hints of cool things to come! Tell me! Tell me! Tellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellme!!
All you need to know is that all the people with any industry credibility left Sept 30, 2008.

[Zrikz]

Once the first exodus started at EvAv I just went and checked it out once a day or so and thats it.. shortly thereafter it became flooded with RSS feed posts. I hadn't been th evav in over a month, just went and hit the new post button and of 20 pages of new posts, I'd say at like 7-9 of them were probably RSS feed postings.

Visit evilavatar I shall not, never again.

[sparkfizt]

Is it just me, or do some people here seem to be taking an obscene amount of glee from that site's potential downfall? I'm sure they have their reasons, but, really, it seems kind of sick...

Well, this ha been one beautiful little internet drama to unfold. I've never really seen a schism of this magnitude before and of course with serious business internet drama there's lots of hurt emotions and revenge-glee :P Not to mention we're all gamers and often have a must-win attidude (nothing wrong with that :P ). I figure for some this is a train wreck that must be rubber-necked.

[Slack3r78]

Is it just me, or do some people here seem to be taking an obscene amount of glee from that site's potential downfall? I'm sure they have their reasons, but, really, it seems kind of sick...
I didn't after the magic PC fiasco. I really hoped that that Evil would come to his senses at the time. Now? I mostly want him to stop lying to people, especially when he's taking money from them.

As far as sick goes... well, extreme narcissism combined with fraud is closer to that in my book.

[Goronmon]

Is it just me, or do some people here seem to be taking an obscene amount of glee from that site's potential downfall? I'm sure they have their reasons, but, really, it seems kind of sick...Well, the reason most people are upset is because they feel cheated by Evil with his "donation drives" that were supposedly to keep the site alive, but most likely were just a supplemental source of income for his personal use. Evil bans any discussion of the topic, so he can still attempt to get donations for people who don't know what went down.

[Psykoboy2]

Is it just me, or do some people here seem to be taking an obscene amount of glee from that site's potential downfall? I'm sure they have their reasons, but, really, it seems kind of sick...

I like the site. I just don't like the guy running it. So, maybe there's glee from HIS potential downfall. But even then, I'm not looking at that.

I get my glee from knowing that he had no power over us. I get my glee from him coming to this site and seeing that he had no power. And seeing that the entire time...it really WAS the community that made that site what it was.

[Slack3r78]

I like the site. I just don't like the guy running it. So, maybe there's glee from HIS potential downfall. But even then, I'm not looking at that.

I get my glee from knowing that he had no power over us. I get my glee from him coming to this site and seeing that he had no power. And seeing that the entire time...it really WAS the community that made that site what it was.
You win 14 internets.

[fitbabits]

Well, the reason most people are upset is because they feel cheated by Evil with his "donation drives" that were supposedly to keep the site alive, but most likely were just a supplemental source of income for his personal use. Evil bans any discussion of the topic, so he can still attempt to get donations for people who don't know what went down.
Emphasis mine.

It makes one question what else is being hidden...

[fitbabits]

Is it just me, or do some people here seem to be taking an obscene amount of glee from that site's potential downfall? I'm sure they have their reasons, but, really, it seems kind of sick...

I'm taking no solace from the effect this has had (is having still?) on the EvAv community. This whole thing could have been easily avoided. How? With respect and honesty from both parties involved. Sadly only one party was willing to even discuss matters.

[digitalErich]

Is it just me, or do some people here seem to be taking an obscene amount of glee from that site's potential downfall? I'm sure they have their reasons, but, really, it seems kind of sick...
Glee? Not quite, but as a person who put money into the 3 figures into the site (as several of us here did over the years), only to find out that it was (maybe) not going where I was told it was, I don't feel bad, either.

Well, I feel bad the community had to be fractured but we came out Ok over here. It's more a sense of comeuppance than glee.

[DylonCorp]

Received a few giveaway emails myself; I'd get my email out of my profile, but since I removed the bookmark I just can't remember the URL. :P I do miss red. And EvAvnovice.

I've not received anything. It'd be funny if I did, however.

I'm sending you positive thoughts. Enjoy!

[Arphahat]

May I suggest that we end this thread? Let us make discussion of that other place offensive and the name an obscenity. We are CoG, a gaming community, not the bitter remnants of some other place. Dwelling on the actions of one man do us no good.

Anyways, we already won; we are a community free and uncensored. Let's just let the past stay in the past.

[DoctorFinger]

The only animosity is on his end. We saw a situation, asked for it to be rectified, and were more or less told to go to hell. So we - the people responsible for 90% of his content - left and started a better site, end of story. I know that none of us wanted to leave the site, but he left us no real choice. I think I speak for the other founders when I say that EvAv doesn't even pop into my head anymore.

[sparkfizt]

May I suggest that we end this thread? Let us make discussion of that other place offensive and the name an obscenity. We are CoG, a gaming community, not the bitter remnants of some other place. Dwelling on the actions of one man do us no good.

Anyways, we already won; we are a community free and uncensored. Let's just let the past stay in the past.

<Derail>
What's the tastiest way to prepare kittens? =D
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[muddi900]

May I suggest that we end this thread? Let us make discussion of that other place offensive and the name an obscenity. We are CoG, a gaming community, not the bitter remnants of some other place. Dwelling on the actions of one man do us no good.

Anyways, we already won; we are a community free and uncensored. Let's just let the past stay in the past.
I am muddi900 and I approve of this message.

[Schnoogs]

May I suggest that we end this thread? Let us make discussion of that other place offensive and the name an obscenity. We are CoG, a gaming community, not the bitter remnants of some other place. Dwelling on the actions of one man do us no good.

Anyways, we already won; we are a community free and uncensored. Let's just let the past stay in the past.

Someone ban this guy! :p

[Sl1pstream]

Just wait a few more weeks. He's going to really be upset.

GIVEAWAY! GIVEAWAY! GIVEAWAY!


:p
Seriously, when can we start donating?

Anyways, we already won; we are a community free and uncensored.

Then why can't there be a thread about it?

Also, Evil hasn't banned me yet.

[fitbabits]

The only animosity is on his end. We saw a situation, asked for it to be rectified, and were more or less told to go to hell. So we - the people responsible for 90% of his content - left and started a better site, end of story. I know that none of us wanted to leave the site, but he left us no real choice. I think I speak for the other founders when I say that EvAv doesn't even pop into my head anymore.
Not for me. I mean, I still feel for the community I left behind. In many ways it was like leaving home or being evicted by a greedy and unreasonable landlord.

Out of the people left at EvAv, I'm betting a decent percentage of them have no idea of what happened.

[Knightsaber]

Heh yesterday I asked for my donation money back in a PM and now I get that same three line message. I think that might even be dirtier in a fashion.

[Stmfuller]

having been someone banned from a gaming community because i disagree with fundraisers in general...I feel for you people. I volenteered for an EA/CoG-type site for a couple of years, but I got a perma-ban once I started complaining about donation drives to "keep the site alive". So, I joined up over there...and most recently followed suit in joining up over here. I keep track of both though because neither site is consistently busy.

Here's my feelings. If this isn't your primary job, then I'm not going to pay for your hobby...and If I'm going to consider paying for your hobby, you better be offering something worth paying for that I can't get elsewhere.

[Arphahat]

Then why can't there be a thread about it?

I didn't say lock the thread, but I do think we should stop talking about it. I just think that we are better off looking forward instead of looking back.

[NoName]

Not for me. I mean, I still feel for the community I left behind. In many ways it was like leaving home or being evicted by a greedy and unreasonable landlord.

Out of the people left at EvAv, I'm betting a decent percentage of them have no idea of what happened.

They probably don't know and don't care, thus why there's only yellows logged in over there anymore.

[Sl1pstream]

ngs. If this isn't your primary job, then I'm not going to pay for your hobby...and If I'm going to consider paying for your hobby, you better be offering something worth paying for that I can't get elsewhere.

This community was (and still is) worth donating money to in my opinion. I seriously doubt that you're going to find another community like the one we have anywhere on the internet.

[Rune_74]

Guys I got banned with the same message over 3 weeks ago...for telling what happened and why people left. No warning nothing, banned.

[fitbabits]

Heh yesterday I asked for my donation money back in a PM and now I get that same three line message. I think that might even be dirtier in a fashion.
That's kind of shocking. You should ask him for a tex receipt if he's not going to refund your money.

[Wolvie]

I'm personally doing a quiet protest. I will not grace EvAv with my presence, and I will never donate to Evil again. No site hits and page views+no donations from me= something more hurtful and powerful then verbal attacks.

[Esquilax1138]

Is it just me, or do some people here seem to be taking an obscene amount of glee from that site's potential downfall? I'm sure they have their reasons, but, really, it seems kind of sick...

Hell hath no fury like a internet community scorned. Go to MMORPG and read the Star Wars Galaxies forums, we're STILL fucking pissed and it was 3 years ago. Bastards at SOE ruined our community and we are still giving them bad press over that, we'll never, ever forget or give up.

You just gotta know how to hold a grudge :p

"...To the last, I grapple with thee; from hell's heart, I stab at thee; for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."

[Stmfuller]

This community was (and still is) worth donating money to in my opinion. I seriously doubt that you're going to find another community like the one we have anywhere on the internet.
With the site in question that I was banned from I gave my time. And when i was banned, it really soured me on giving money to community sites. And when you consider what was/is happening with EA, it further solidifies my point that my money is better off held where it's at.
I would only consider donating money if there was a way to directly pay for hosting fees (w/out the middle man). Since I'm working full time, it's impossible to give time. Although, I would offer that again should the ability to do so came about.

[Slack3r78]

That's kind of shocking. You should ask him for a tex receipt if he's not going to refund your money.
I've actually wondered before about whether Phil is bothering to declare the income from the site on his taxes. It's not an insubstantial sum, after all.

[Xerxes]

Me too. Really really pisses me off.

It's like he blames us for everything.

I guess having no regular posters, and all of his "friends"/source, he's finally feeling the sting.

[shunoshi]

I guess having no regular posters, and all of his "friends"/source, he's finally feeling the sting.

Just wait until the next major game convention hits and he has no first hand coverage. :p

[Adam Blue]

Well, as active as I was on the interets about gaming, this is just one of those things that was known about Phil. I donated because I enjoyed the community, but at the same time I wasn't totally happy giving him my money. I only gave $5-$10 at a time, and for as long as I donated, I was never more than orange.

But this is just him...and it sucks for people that did a lot of work for him. But I think it's best just to leave him alone. No attacks or harassing on the site necessary.

[Spectre-7]

I've actually wondered before about whether Phil is bothering to declare the income from the site on his taxes. It's not an insubstantial sum, after all.

I suppose if someone wanted to be really spiteful, they could send an anonymous tip to the IRS.

[fitbabits]

I suppose if someone wanted to be really spiteful, they could send an anonymous tip to the IRS.
I suppose they could... (http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=106778,00.html)

[Rogue_hunter]

I've actually wondered before about whether Phil is bothering to declare the income from the site on his taxes. It's not an insubstantial sum, after all.

We actually joked about this in the IRC channel after Magic PC. We weren't exactly sure how to do an anonymous tip to the IRS.

[raymeswh]

wow what a dick, i would have been fine had i known my money was going to hookers and blow, as long as he said it was going to hookers and blow. sadly, it was all a farce. oh well, he's digging his own grave at this point

[Grifter]

I admit, I still visit EvAv once or twice a week just to see the state of the site and I think I can confirm that himself and/or a couple of his mods check this site. Before I made my last post in this thread I was still orange and I am now a yellow. I don't know if that means a banning is imminent or not but I find it funny either way.

As far as taking pleasure on the fall of EvAv, you're damn right I do! The community is no longer there so the only thing holding it together is the man and I personally love watching dishonest and cowardly men fall, on the internet and in real life, especially dishonest and cowardly men who think they can control whomever and whatever they please to suit there own ends with no consideration for any one else. If that makes me sick then so be it.

[violent]

Well, as active as I was on the interets about gaming, this is just one of those things that was known about Phil. I donated because I enjoyed the community, but at the same time I wasn't totally happy giving him my money. I only gave $5-$10 at a time, and for as long as I donated, I was never more than orange.

But this is just him...and it sucks for people that did a lot of work for him. But I think it's best just to leave him alone. No attacks or harassing on the site necessary.

I have to agree completely. Any money I gave back then was purely for the greater of the community. All things said and done, here we all are now. The money I donated I don't feel bad about losing because in the end, I was the one who decided to send it. I was never forced. Others may have been fooled into donating excessive amounts which they are now regretful for but I made sure not to fall into that position when the time to give came.

I still stand strongly by the fact that if we all truly decided to leave EvAv, that is precisely what we should do. Not just where we post but even where any interests lie. If this gripe continues to grow and legal action starts to be taken, understand that this community could be potentially hurt from any kind of backlash.

All I ask is that you all think for a minute what you truly hope to resolve through continuing this grudge and what could potentially be compromised. Know also that if the right thing turns out to be a face to face with the barrel, I'll be there. Only that now is the time for logical decision making.

[Jeffool]

I'll admit that I openly mocked the Magic PC exodus to their faces. (In that lovingly, "Oh whatever, you guys will be back, buncha big babies" kinda way.) I've long held the position that until The Penguin and Bootsy left, it'd still be the place I'd call my digital home.

I kinda feel bad now, so, to that inital group of PIRI settlers, sorry guys!

/edit: And if we're not going to have a donation button, I'm okay with that... But we should do monthly fund raisers or something. Say, the final seven days of any month we pick something and raise money for it.

/edit2: Of course, I almost feel guilty suggesting that, given the fact that I have no spare money to donate.

[biosc1]

wow what a dick, i would have been fine had i known my money was going to hookers and blow, as long as he said it was going to hookers and blow. sadly, it was all a farce. oh well, he's digging his own grave at this point

Give me money. I promise you that it will go to hookers and "blow". See, I'm reputable, now give me money ;)

[raymeswh]

Give me money. I promise you that it will go to hookers and "blow". See, I'm reputable, now give me money ;)

:p touche good sir

[Slack3r78]

wow what a dick, i would have been fine had i known my money was going to hookers and blow, as long as he said it was going to hookers and blow. sadly, it was all a farce. oh well, he's digging his own grave at this point
I've said this myself. I wouldn't care as much if he hadn't been lying about where the money went. There's a word (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fraud) for taking money from people under false pretense.

I have to agree completely. Any money I gave back then was purely for the greater of the community. All things said and done, here we all are now. The money I donated I don't feel bad about losing because in the end, I was the one who decided to send it. I was never forced. Others may have been fooled into donating excessive amounts which they are now regretful for but I made sure not to fall into that position when the time to give came.
Same here. I even donated to subscribe other people a few times, but I don't feel bad about it. The people I subscribed were fairly new and it was my way of telling them that they were welcome in the community. While I'm upset about being lied to about where that money was going, my ultimate motivation in doing so was still fulfilled.

[Psykoboy2]

You'll get a chance to show your appreciation of the site soon enough. And what's more, it'll go not only to a good cause, but help to promote the site itself.

Sit tight.

[Shadowstorm]

Holy shit, that's incredibly lame.

[Slack3r78]

You'll get a chance to show your appreciation of the site soon enough. And what's more, it'll go not only to a good cause, but help to promote the site itself.

Sit tight.
Oooh oooh, I HAS IDEAS about what's being promoted. Awesome if I'm right.

[Widgetcraft]

Meh, my last post over there was probably a few minutes before I found out about CoG. I didn't even do a Goodbye post, as there was no one to say goodbye to; everyone worth talking to came here, almost instantly. No reason to care about being banned, IMO.

[Ondo]

Here's the issue I have with just leaving it in the past. Then what will stop it from happening again? Perhaps if the people who split to form Gamers with Jobs hadn't just left it in the past they could have helped prevent Evil from scamming the rest of us. Shouldn't we try to prevent it from happening again?

Not sure if it's really a good idea, or practical, but I think it's at least worth considering.

[Generation ABXY]

Hell hath no fury like a internet community scorned. Go to MMORPG and read the Star Wars Galaxies forums, we're STILL fucking pissed and it was 3 years ago. Bastards at SOE ruined our community and we are still giving them bad press over that, we'll never, ever forget or give up.

You just gotta know how to hold a grudge :p

"...To the last, I grapple with thee; from hell's heart, I stab at thee; for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."

I suppose I could hold a grudge, if I was indeed so inclined, I'm just not sure I see the point. What do you accomplish, besides wasting your own time and potentially bringing harm to someone else (and who knows how many other unseen individuals)?

Oh, and I'm all for having an open discussion of it here. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing this topic merged with a re-opened "Oh, Hello."

[Wraith]

You'll get a chance to show your appreciation of the site soon enough. And what's more, it'll go not only to a good cause, but help to promote the site itself.

Sit tight.Child's Play Charity CoG Drive, I'm guessing?

[Victorvonviolence]

Not for me. I mean, I still feel for the community I left behind. In many ways it was like leaving home or being evicted by a greedy and unreasonable landlord.

Out of the people left at EvAv, I'm betting a decent percentage of them have no idea of what happened.

I can assure you that many have absolutely no clue as to the happenings-on. For me I beileve I had a good indication of what happened from snipets from this thread and from good ol' Keck and clark but really the whole idea of this new forum is lost on me.

Evav had served me very well over the years, it allowed me to conduct the best play-by-post campaign I've ever had and it had filled my 360 friends list to a level that had warranted its purchase.

But now I'm essentially being forced to pick a side, based on little to no information. I'm sure Evil would have a counter-argument to all this but he hasn't expressed this so a lot of us are all in the dark. I'll go where the people go, I think Evil is overreacting, but I really do need more information in general to support one side or the other.

[Arphahat]

I can assure you that many have absolutely no clue as to the happenings-on. For me I beileve I had a good indication of what happened from snipets from this thread and from good ol' Keck and clark but really the whole idea of this new forum is lost on me.

Evav had served me very well over the years, it allowed me to conduct the best play-by-post campaign I've ever had and it had filled my 360 friends list to a level that had warranted its purchase.

But now I'm essentially being forced to pick a side, based on little to no information. I'm sure Evil would have a counter-argument to all this but he hasn't expressed this so a lot of us are all in the dark. I'll go where the people go, I think Evil is overreacting, but I really do need more information in general to support one side or the other.

Honestly, I think the silence speaks volumes. The totalitarian attitude and nonchalant banning of everyone on a different site made this an easy decision to me. Combined with the fact that no one man should have such control over our community, I don't know what you are waiting for.

Though, if you truly want to be a part of both groups, I suggest you do not ask about any of your concerns on the other site, less you too be banned.

[Spigot]

I've heard that the site's been spamming members with alerts on giveaways, etc. I've also heard that those who donated previously, and who still frequent EvAv, have been receiving emails from Evil begging for more money to help with "hosting costs."I haven't received any about hosting costs but I was surprised to see the giveaway notice the other day.

I have about 2-3 old threads from EvAv that I receive the odd e-mail from and I think I post about once or twice a week on the weekend gamer/monday blues threads, but that's about it. The level of discourse over there has suffered immensely and it just feels like Generic Game Forum X. The special something that made EvAv special (aka the community and the fact that we can string a basic sentence together) is pretty much absent now. I've pretty much severed my ties with the site now.

I was surprised earlier in the week (or was it last week?) when I was looking at the member list and saw that Fitty and Bap were both missing from the lists. That was when I finally took it off my start tabs for Firefox.

Sigh.

Now if I could only muster up the energy to drop it from my RSS feed :)

[ShivaX]

But now I'm essentially being forced to pick a side, based on little to no information. I'm sure Evil would have a counter-argument to all this but he hasn't expressed this so a lot of us are all in the dark. I'll go where the people go, I think Evil is overreacting, but I really do need more information in general to support one side or the other.

Well sure, but its not like both sides are withholding info, only one.

Typically when that happens in the world its because of: A) Legal action or B) the silent party's position isn't tenable.

Theres no legal action going on that I'm aware of and Phil has gone beyond simply being silent to crushing any discussion of whats going on. I mean if he just kept quiet and didn't say anything it would be one thing. Actively banning everyone involved or even asks whats going on speaks to what happened more than anything he could have said to me.

[Xerxes]

You'll get a chance to show your appreciation of the site soon enough. And what's more, it'll go not only to a good cause, but help to promote the site itself.

Sit tight.

I already am. :)
I should get a medal.

[Purple Santa]

It's ironic of the banning of Jay/Fits, in the EvAv subscriber's forum, that intro thread says by Bapenguin and one posted comment by Fits. So a banned member is greeting everyone in the subscribers forum. Not that there is much activity in there...

[Digital Outlaw]

I loved evilavatar.com but hated Evil Avatar... Always butting into shit he knew nothing about. I made one donation so Im not as pissed as some of you guys that plunked down hundreds... I really want to go over there and post a "Fuck You Evil Avatar" thread, but just not going over is more damage than trying to stir up ruckus. I feel bad for the true workers over there (Bap, Fits, and Psycko) who made an unbelievable site and had to walk away because Evil went into a power trip.

Anyways keep up the good work guys, Fuck Evil Avatar, and long live Colony of Gamers

[Johan]

I got banned before all this shit blew up over there (Bootsy gave me the bootsy), and I got reinstated after all this shit had basically ended over there.

WTF kind of timing is that? :confused:

I think it's sad, though...for all concerned.

[Sazime]

I got banned before all this shit blew up over there (Bootsy gave me the bootsy), and I got reinstated after all this shit had basically ended over there.

WTF kind of timing is that? :confused:

I think it's sad, though...for all concerned.
I know I'm completely derailing here, but you need to change your user title to "Baby Machine."

[Digital Outlaw]

I know I'm completely derailing here, but you need to change your user title to "Baby Machine."

I second this motion

[fitbabits]

I got banned before all this shit blew up over there (Bootsy gave me the bootsy), and I got reinstated after all this shit had basically ended over there.

WTF kind of timing is that? :confused:

I think it's sad, though...for all concerned.
I banned you from EvAv, if I remember correctly. Glad to see you here, though.

[Johan]

I banned you from EvAv, if I remember correctly. Glad to see you here, though.

I had it coming. I was never upset with you about it...I was pushing for an "intervention" really...to be forced into a break. I feel really, really badly for how things worked out for yourself, bapenguin, and a number of other heavy contributors over there who have become founders/contributors here. It's just really such an unfortunate situation.

You guys let me know if you ever want me to pack my baggies and I'll move along. I know some aren't excited I'm around. Hell, I thought about a poll, and then thought that would be too narcissistic. Let me know if you want me off the island, however. There's a reason I'm registered here and not PiRi...lack of political/religious content here as compared to there. :)

[rinichanraar]

I had it coming. I was never upset with you about it...I was pushing for an "intervention" really...to be forced into a break. I feel really, really badly for how things worked out for yourself, bapenguin, and a number of other heavy contributors over there who have become founders/contributors here. It's just really such an unfortunate situation.

You guys let me know if you ever want me to pack my baggies and I'll move along. I know some aren't excited I'm around. Hell, I thought about a poll, and then thought that would be too narcissistic. Let me know if you want me off the island, however. There's a reason I'm registered here and not PiRi...lack of political/religious content here as compared to there. :)

Honestly, Johan, I think you're giving yourself too much credit. I don't think as many people hate you as you think. :p

[fitbabits]

I had it coming. I was never upset with you about it...I was pushing for an "intervention" really...to be forced into a break. I feel really, really badly for how things worked out for yourself, bapenguin, and a number of other heavy contributors over there who have become founders/contributors here. It's just really such an unfortunate situation.

You guys let me know if you ever want me to pack my baggies and I'll move along. I know some aren't excited I'm around. Hell, I thought about a poll, and then thought that would be too narcissistic. Let me know if you want me off the island, however. There's a reason I'm registered here and not PiRi...lack of political/religious content here as compared to there. :)
What part of "Glad to have you here, though" don't you understand?

Seriously. I am happy you're here. Just don't go fucking it up. :)

[iHap]

I never really thought you to be annoying Johan, just on occasions.

[Johan]

Just don't go fucking it up. :)

Well, that's the key. I'm a fuck-up! :o I'm trying, with mixed success.

I'm sorry I derailed the thread. All I can think of now is the dude at the Death Star: "Stay on target; stay on target!" :)

*boom* and he's gone.

[Slack3r78]

You guys let me know if you ever want me to pack my baggies and I'll move along. I know some aren't excited I'm around. Hell, I thought about a poll, and then thought that would be too narcissistic. Let me know if you want me off the island, however. There's a reason I'm registered here and not PiRi...lack of political/religious content here as compared to there. :)[/QUOTE]
You're worse than a woman fishing for compliments. ;)

[Purple Santa]

I had it coming. I was never upset with you about it...I was pushing for an "intervention" really...to be forced into a break. I feel really, really badly for how things worked out for yourself, bapenguin, and a number of other heavy contributors over there who have become founders/contributors here. It's just really such an unfortunate situation.

You guys let me know if you ever want me to pack my baggies and I'll move along. I know some aren't excited I'm around. Hell, I thought about a poll, and then thought that would be too narcissistic. Let me know if you want me off the island, however. There's a reason I'm registered here and not PiRi...lack of political/religious content here as compared to there. :)

What was there...stays there...sorta like Vegas :). I didn't hate you over there...you had strong opinions, like many of us do. Just because someone has a strong opinion doesn't mean I have to go changing mine...so why be upset over someone's owns thoughts? But that's just me...
I'm glad you are here though. What I have read of your thoughts in threads...you are hilarious...nice to see that...glad to see you decided to come back to a gaming community and live among "your kind" again ;)

[Slack3r78]

You guys let me know if you ever want me to pack my baggies and I'll move along. I know some aren't excited I'm around. Hell, I thought about a poll, and then thought that would be too narcissistic. Let me know if you want me off the island, however. There's a reason I'm registered here and not PiRi...lack of political/religious content here as compared to there. :)
You're worse than a woman fishing for compliments. ;)

[Johan]

You're worse than a woman fishing for compliments. ;)

I figured I couldn't show any leg or boobs, so I went with what I've got...which is nothing! :o

[Stmfuller]

I figured I couldn't show any leg or boobs, so I went with what I've got...which is nothing! :o

I don't know...I hear there are some fellas over here that are into that sort of thing ;)

[opsin]

Really classy, Phil. Really classy.

Somehow I've gone from "honored guest" to pariah.

I'd commented to a friend of mine, probably about a year back, that Phil seemed like a total douchebag, and it was only people like you, Scott and the other IGC guys, and well, most everyone who's come over here, that kept me visiting EvAv at all.

I wasn't massively surprised when the split happened, and mostly guessed why, and was more than happy to come over here, never to look back. I'm far happier visiting this site, where it all seemsjovial and communal.

I'd be happy with the ban if I were you. I did go back briefly to see if I could shut down my account there, but couldn't find a way, though I guess forming forty threads titled 'Phil's a complete tool' would do the trick. But I'm lazy.

It is amazing how pathetically two faced and assholish he manages to be though. Does it take effort to be that petty all the time?

And Johan, I may not count for shit here, and may have had the odd disagreement with you in those past days, but it's all hugs and joy here! I smiled to see you were here when I saw your first post.

[Blue]

I figured I couldn't show any leg or boobs, so I went with what I've got...which is nothing! :o

Awww, don't sell yourself short. There's a bit of a double entendre in there should you care to look for it...

We kid because we love.

[Inspector Fowler]

I just want to say I love you guys.

<man hug>
<3 pats on back>
</man hug>

[Stmfuller]

I just called, to say, I love you....
I just called, to say how much I care....
I just called, to say, I looooveeee you...
and I mean it from, the bottom of my heart.

(that was so gay)

[bapenguin]

btw guys, I don't think any of us have any regrets. It's one of those things that you only realize how much better you are without it once it's gone, but while you are in it you can't see yourself without it.

No regrets here, I'm having a blast working on Co-Optimus and participating in the community here.

[Schnoogs]

You guys all got banned????

I went there this evening and my name is now in Red. I guess that place has really gone to hell.

[Blue]

You guys all got banned????

I went there this evening and my name is now in Red. I guess that place has really gone to hell.

Come again?

[Psykoboy2]

I'm not banned.



Yet.

[rein]

It's one of those things that you only realize how much better you are without it once it's gone, but while you are in it you can't see yourself without it.


Dude, that is exactly what all of my ex's say about me. :D

I'm not big on trashing the old site since it didn't directly involve me but what an ass move on Evil's part. To ban you guys is incredibly childish and immature. I'm sure the success of COG surprised Evil but that is no excuse to ban the people that poured their hearts and souls into building his site over the last 5 years.

I'm glad the COG network has taken off the way it has. It's great to have a refuge available for all of us misplaced inter-nerds. I can't imagine how much it would have sucked if you guys had left Evil Avatar and not given us a place to go. Thanks.

[Doctor Setebos]

Ha! I logged in over at EvAv today for the first time since setting up shop here at CoG. At the time, I had changed my user title to "I've recolonized..." and added the same phrase to my sig. Now both have been scrubbed. :rolleyes:

I don't appear to have been banned, though, although it's obvious Phil now knows I'm no longer a member of the EvAv faithful. :D

[Inspector Fowler]

I just called, to say, I love you....
I just called, to say how much I care....
I just called, to say, I looooveeee you...
and I mean it from, the bottom of my heart.

(that was so gay)

No, the man hug and 3 pats covers us on that front. Sing away.

[Thanasimos]

Hey, guys, I recruited someone.
I was thinking, and then I said, "Holy shit, my rl buddy still lurks EvAv as an unsuspecting yellow. I never told him what happened." So he registered here today. I wonder if his EvAv profile will get banned now, eh?

[KamaItachi]

Not for me. I mean, I still feel for the community I left behind. In many ways it was like leaving home or being evicted by a greedy and unreasonable landlord.

Out of the people left at EvAv, I'm betting a decent percentage of them have no idea of what happened.

I had no idea what the situation was regarding the exodus, but a poster from here contacted me and gave me the lowdown. It's amazing to think that so much had gone down and the semi-regulars like myself had no idea of the gravity of the situation.

I sort've thought that I would stick with EvAv for a while and visit places like this on the side, but to be honest the community is what wins out and at this stage, EvAv has no community.

[Savok]

I've heard that the site's been spamming members with alerts on giveaways, etc. I've also heard that those who donated previously, and who still frequent EvAv, have been receiving emails from Evil begging for more money to help with "hosting costs."
He's been spamming me to the extent I've just told Hotmail to dump everything from that site into the Junk folder.

I never donated (some kind, insane soul kept sponsoring me), I did think about it for a time, but I never felt right giving Evil money, and with the sea of orange around me I figured he had plenty. Then he pulled some shit that made sure I'd never donate, then he pulled some shit that had me leaving the site for a year (only coming back to gloat over how useless Kevin Rudd is to the now missing Australians) and within a few months we had the PIRI split.

Must say, I am enjoying this feeling of vindication for the years of my hatred.

[Schnoogs]

Come again?

My Joke








Your head :p

[Rogue_hunter]

I'm not banned.



Yet.

I am.
And it looks like civil_dead maybe as well, as his account no longer has a "last activity" time/date.

It's funny, bap, fits and Doc Finger all have 10 or less posts, but you can still find all their posts by clicking on their profile and doing the "find all posts" option.


Now this gives me a reason to ask for my money back (a whole $10) and for all my posts to be scrubbed entirely. I hope my info also gets scrubbed from the Live leaderboard and the PSN ID lists, because I don't want my information just out for anyone to find without me having any kind of contact with who would be adding me.

[Ravenlock]

I like the site. I just don't like the guy running it. So, maybe there's glee from HIS potential downfall. But even then, I'm not looking at that.

I get my glee from knowing that he had no power over us. I get my glee from him coming to this site and seeing that he had no power. And seeing that the entire time...it really WAS the community that made that site what it was.

Which of course is precisely why so many of us were willing to follow you guys here at the drop of a hat, when you made it known that you were breaking away. The IGC crew and posters like bap and fits were absolutely the reasons I spent so much time on EvAv, both in reading the news and in posting in the forums. In fact, while I was aware of the site, I didn't start visiting it regularly until after I had found then-EvAv Radio and started listening.

Of course, after getting to know the community that had grown up around the place, it was a little heartbreaking to see so many of its pillars pick up and leave at the same time - and was obviously various levels of heartbreaking for all of you to do so as well. Fits and bap were very clearly choked up about it, and rightfully so. It's a sad thing that Evil managed to drive away something so truly special that had grown in his care (though perhaps not through his actions, and which, it seems, he did not deserve).

Out of the people left at EvAv, I'm betting a decent percentage of them have no idea of what happened.

I don't know, maybe, depending on how often they check the site. The big departures were front-page news, at least until Evil took them off the front page. Which was, perhaps, the biggest dick move of all in my opinion, and the clearest sign to me that he really didn't understand - or maybe didn't care - what was happening there, and how quickly.

[Stmfuller]

anyone ever think back to 9/11 and realize all the bs people were saying about "if we don't continue on the terrorists win?"
I'm wondering if we're kind of getting there with people bringing it up all the time.
if we don't continue on, EA wins.

so there.

Now, let's hug, pat each other on the back, and go shoot a deer or something thus continuing on with our respective lives.

[OldeWolf]

anyone ever think back to 9/11 and realize all the bs people were saying about "if we don't continue on the terrorists win?"
I'm wondering if we're kind of getting there with people bringing it up all the time.
if we don't continue on, EA wins.

so there.

Now, let's hug, pat each other on the back, and go shoot a deer or something thus continuing on with our respective lives.

But if we don't bring it up in order to learn from it, then we will repeat the same mistakes the Romans made, so to speak. If we brush it under the carpet/bed/garbage/etc, then how can we take action to betterment ourselves and make this a better thing that wont happen again?

No, it's best to keep this fresh and focus on the solution keeping the problem close in mind in the process.

[KingGorilla]

Huh, I am still given access, and someone re-oranged me, that shit expired months ago. Says I have not logged in since April too, odd.

[Bingley Joe]

I can assure you that many have absolutely no clue as to the happenings-on. For me I beileve I had a good indication of what happened from snipets from this thread and from good ol' Keck and clark but really the whole idea of this new forum is lost on me.

Evav had served me very well over the years, it allowed me to conduct the best play-by-post campaign I've ever had and it had filled my 360 friends list to a level that had warranted its purchase.

But now I'm essentially being forced to pick a side, based on little to no information. I'm sure Evil would have a counter-argument to all this but he hasn't expressed this so a lot of us are all in the dark. I'll go where the people go, I think Evil is overreacting, but I really do need more information in general to support one side or the other.

If you really want to know, just read this thread (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=264) -- every post. It's long, but definitely worth it, and you'll more than understand what's gone on by the time you reach the end.

.. it's only one side of the story, to be sure, but the fact that the other side is actively being buried to this day speaks volumes.

[Victorvonviolence]

If you really want to know, just read this thread (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=264) -- every post. It's long, but definitely worth it, and you'll more than understand what's gone on by the time you reach the end.

.. it's only one side of the story, to be sure, but the fact that the other side is actively being buried to this day speaks volumes.

That helped tremendously actually, I had no idea the amount was that high...

That does almost seem like a con. Well in that case, what do you think it would take to steal over Avnovice? I like his handheld reviews

[Bingley Joe]

Well in that case, what do you think it would take to steal over Avnovice?

Hmmmm.... maybe start out with a little slap n' tickle, and then see if he (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/member.php?u=425) makes a move? ;) :D

[KamaItachi]

That helped tremendously actually, I had no idea the amount was that high...

That does almost seem like a con. Well in that case, what do you think it would take to steal over Avnovice? I like his handheld reviews

I can organise a couple of guys, a roll of duct tape and a blacked out van.

[Dorkandproudofit]

I can organise a couple of guys, a roll of duct tape and a blacked out van.

I'll get the chloroform. When's it going down?

[KamaItachi]

I'll get the chloroform. When's it going down?

Probably soon. I want to see his coverage for Phantasy Star 0.

[Arilin]

I read this thread early this morning before I went to work(where I'm posting from now) and that saddens me. Two people of which I doubt anyone would have a problem calling them a pillar of that community prior to retirement from the site.

I honestly haven't even bothered to visit that site since I regularly started to come here for information and the random post that i'll do(which by my post count isn't often obviously). I have noticed the give away emails sent to my registered email I normally use, which I found odd because I never in the years I was there remembered getting any before. C'est la vie. (or whatever punctuation is correct.)

[Purple Santa]

I wasn't getting any spam mail but finally got a recent giveaway one. I'm not sure if this will begin the deluge of spam from over there or not. And i'm not banned yet. I can't figure out how the bannings are working. I mean the top guys make sense...well from the evil one's perspective...but some of the others...um, what's up with that? So I keep looking to see if i'm still welcomed...yeah, I do it for some morbid stupid curiosity. Nothing bright or intelligent about it.

[ShivaX]

I wasn't getting any spam mail but finally got a recent giveaway one. I'm not sure if this will begin the deluge of spam from over there or not. And i'm not banned yet. I can't figure out how the bannings are working. I mean the top guys make sense...well from the evil one's perspective...but some of the others...um, what's up with that? So I keep looking to see if i'm still welcomed...yeah, I do it for some morbid stupid curiosity. Nothing bright or intelligent about it.

Maybe its to generate hits from people randomly checking to see if they're next. :p

[Nerdious]

Just found out this site has free custom user titles. Yay! Now I don't feel left out.
Can you donate to this site? Is the money going to be used on something besides booze?

[AgtFox]

Just found out this site has free custom user titles. Yay! Now I don't feel left out.
Can you donate to this site? Is the money going to be used on something besides booze?
Eventually donations will be accepted. The Founders as a group put in enough to cover the hosting costs for 6 months (at its current level) and paid for the software the site is run on.

[Nerdious]

I respect that, I always thought the donation drives on "ye olde site" were super tacky. If you can't pay for a website you run, you need to pass on the torch.

[Schnoogs]

I respect that, I always thought the donation drives on "ye olde site" were super tacky. If you can't pay for a website you run, you need to pass on the torch.

Tacky? You prefer pop up ads and banner ad tiling instead?

Donations are the way it should be...it reflects the quality of the site and allows the people that run a way to provide a service without having to push products down our throat like some sites do.

[Digital Outlaw]

Tacky? You prefer pop up ads and banner ad tiling instead?

Donations are the way it should be...it reflects the quality of the site and allows the people that run a way to provide a service without having to push products down our throat like some sites do.

No to pop ops and ad tiling.... Will donate when allowed....

[Savok]

If you really want to know, just read this thread (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=264) -- every post. It's long, but definitely worth it, and you'll more than understand what's gone on by the time you reach the end.

.. it's only one side of the story, to be sure, but the fact that the other side is actively being buried to this day speaks volumes.
Wow, I had no idea GWJ was a split from EvAv. Mother fuck it's history repeating itself, hate it when that happens.

And donations are fine, just have a bar saying "we need X amount of money, so far we have X". Done, simple.

[Spigot]

And donations are fine, just have a bar saying "we need X amount of money, so far we have X". Done, simple.
And provide transparency when asked about what the donations are used for. That was the biggest failing in this case.

[Nerdious]

Tacky? You prefer pop up ads and banner ad tiling instead?

Donations are the way it should be...it reflects the quality of the site and allows the people that run a way to provide a service without having to push products down our throat like some sites do.

I agree with you entirely. I like people donating to the site. I also run adblock on Firefox so the alternative doesn't bother me.

It's a post saying "we're out of money so we're turning to the members to keep us afloat". Evil ran plenty of donation drives whether for yourself or sponsoring another member. Which is totally cool, except that's what's keeping the site afloat, not compelling content, the community or anything else besides donations. Coming to me looking for a donation actually pulled me away from donating.

I may be in a minority here, but I don't want to be "tapped" come bill paying time. I want to have a desire to give.

[Arphahat]

Tacky? You prefer pop up ads and banner ad tiling instead?

Donations are the way it should be...it reflects the quality of the site and allows the people that run a way to provide a service without having to push products down our throat like some sites do.

Meh, begging for donations is tacky. Toss a couple of banner ads/Google ads (non-popup), sell clothing/other items with CoG logos, but don't just ask for money. There are enough other ways to do it without acting like a pauper.

[Schnoogs]

Meh, begging for donations is tacky. Toss a couple of banner ads/Google ads (non-popup), sell clothing/other items with CoG logos, but don't just ask for money. There are enough other ways to do it without acting like a pauper.

Of course there are other ways...but it seems like the vast majority have no problem donating and we'll hardly consider Fits or Baps paupers for doing so.

[Purple Santa]

Maybe its to generate hits from people randomly checking to see if they're next. :p
:eek::eek::eek: I never thought of that. ;)

Just found out this site has free custom user titles. Yay! Now I don't feel left out.
Can you donate to this site? Is the money going to be used on something besides booze?
Would we care if it was? ;) Informal talk of how the donations will be handled has mentioned an accounting of where the money is used and how has been discussed in some older threads. I would think what the issue was over at EvAv and the result of that issue, there will be some kind of accountability of the money.

Personally...if they wanted to spend my money on booze and donuts...feel free. As long as the site stays around...enjoy :D

[Arphahat]

Of course there are other ways...but it seems like the vast majority have no problem donating and we'll hardly consider Fits or Baps paupers for doing so.

You are correct in that there are a large number here without qualms about donating. And, I didn't mean to imply I would think of Fits or Baps as paupers.

The whole drive at the other place always annoyed me and it frustrated me that there were two different types of members there, the donaters and the "freeloaders". And, there was the pressure to donate and the separate forums for donaters... it was a real turn-off.

[JayK47]

I haven't been banned yet. Does that surprise anybody?:) I was never a high profile user though, so I would have been surprised if I was. Looking at all of the BS that Evil is doing just to cover his tracks, it seems like a full time job. I seriously do not see how he has the time to go around banning IPs, editing wiki, snooping these forums and so on and still have time for a full time job. Or does he do this full time?

[Purple Santa]

I haven't been banned yet. Does that surprise anybody?:) I was never a high profile user though, so I would have been surprised if I was. Looking at all of the BS that Evil is doing just to cover his tracks, it seems like a full time job. I seriously do not see how he has the time to go around banning IPs, editing wiki, snooping these forums and so on and still have time for a full time job. Or does he do this full time?

Well after he reads this post of yours...you will be banned. Welcome to the banned forum :p

[ShivaX]

I haven't been banned yet. Does that surprise anybody?:) I was never a high profile user though, so I would have been surprised if I was. Looking at all of the BS that Evil is doing just to cover his tracks, it seems like a full time job. I seriously do not see how he has the time to go around banning IPs, editing wiki, snooping these forums and so on and still have time for a full time job. Or does he do this full time?

Most police cars have laptops in them now. :)

[Sl1pstream]

I respect that, I always thought the donation drives on "ye olde site" were super tacky. If you can't pay for a website you run, you need to pass on the torch.

You're not exactly talking about a small website. There's a point where you just can't keep the site up without it getting too expensive.

[Purple Santa]

You think I would get banned if I asked for the pictures of the hookers my money was used to buy them with? ;)

[Sl1pstream]

Considering the fact that after the split, Phil probably has a hard time finding money to spend on hookers himself, I'd say yes.

[Dukefrukem]

You just say the word and I'll re-log into there and create holy hell.

let me know when you do, i can still login. :)

[Felonous]

Pretty sure Phil isn't a real cop, but a wanna-be-cop corrections officer. Thats where they start people that did poorly in police academy. I have 4 friends that went through police academy here in CA, 2 of which did poorly and ended up as corrections officers in the local jail and the other two did well and went straight to patrol.

Both of the 2 that ended up in corrections have since picked up the pace and were advanced to patrol, one of which just made it into the motorcycle patrol pool (considered quite a sweet gig and can be hard to get into).

It says much that Phill is still a corrections officer after all this time, and doesn't surprise me one bit. How could you expect him to be a honorable policeman when you have the morals of the local con artist or drug dealer?

[alienmastermind]

You know...having a top notch, hi-quality, king sized, gourmet, one of a kind, world class, new and improved, premium, super-sized webcomic mentioned on the wiki entry might give it some notability.

EDIT: Any money donated to the site on behalf of the 'Buy Alien games so he's kept current on gaming trends and ideas to make his wonderfully acerbic and poignant comic that's so well drawn it makes one's soul weep' fund would be greatly appreciated and high fives would be doled out at a very rapid rate.

I considered calling it the 'Buy Alienmastermind a sandwich' fund or the 'Keep Alienmastermind's vehicle full of petrol' fund, but I don't think that's a popular subsidy among the 'Net public these days.

And no, I will not extinguish the light over my door...Sorry, Stinger, I have to put out my red light. I will walk the streets for money (metaphorically speaking about webwhoring my comic) and I personally don't care if it's wrong or if it's right.

:)

AM

[Blue]

let me know when you do, i can still login. :)

I'm make a note in my little book right here.

[Grifter]

Pretty sure Phil isn't a real cop, but a wanna-be-cop corrections officer. Thats where they start people that did poorly in police academy. I have 4 friends that went through police academy here in CA, 2 of which did poorly and ended up as corrections officers in the local jail and the other two did well and went straight to patrol.

Both of the 2 that ended up in corrections have since picked up the pace and were advanced to patrol, one of which just made it into the motorcycle patrol pool (considered quite a sweet gig and can be hard to get into).

It says much that Phill is still a corrections officer after all this time, and doesn't surprise me one bit. How could you expect him to be a honorable policeman when you have the morals of the local con artist or drug dealer?

Where exactly are you getting this info? While I don't like Phil and would be willing to bet money based on aspects of his personality we have seen that he is just as much of a twat, if not more so, in his every day life as he is on EvAv but I don't see how you can claim to know the exact station of law enforcement he is in based solely on him being a dishonest douche bag.

He could have been lying (I wouldn't put it past him at this point) but I seem to remember him talking about a promotion to detective around the beginning of the year.

[DylonCorp]

I seem to remember him talking about a promotion to detective around the beginning of the year.

Then you'd think he could get a clue.

HA! HA! Anyways, yeah we can probably talk about our issues with the management of our previous haunt without getting into his real life job. Not to bag on you, Felonous; I could dish on a law enforcement officer all day.

I just think we're classier than that...
http://www.mulletjunky.com/webimages/squirrelpelt.jpg


Edit: Although after checking, I see that despite my last donation being on 8/20 (stupid!), I've been reyellowed. What a guy.

[Victorvonviolence]

I can organise a couple of guys, a roll of duct tape and a blacked out van.

Remember guys, rape is OPTIONAL.

[Ravenlock]

Wow, I had no idea GWJ was a split from EvAv. Mother fuck it's history repeating itself, hate it when that happens.

And donations are fine, just have a bar saying "we need X amount of money, so far we have X". Done, simple.

What I find fascinating about that is that Gamers With Jobs is hands down my other favorite gaming site and gaming community. Their Conference Call podcast is almost always excellent, and gets listened to on my commute every single week.

Which effectively means that both of the best gaming communities I've ever been part of were both spawned in and then driven out of the same place. That's just crazy.

[fitbabits]

Where exactly are you getting this info?
Phil is, indeed, a CO. I believe he's a sergeant.

[Doctor Setebos]

Eventually donations will be accepted. The Founders as a group put in enough to cover the hosting costs for 6 months (at its current level) and paid for the software the site is run on.Don't forget, that there are other things that donations can go to besides hosting costs. We plan on generating enough revenue to send you guys to every gaming convention in existence to bring back some sweet, sweet coverage for CoG. :D

[Raen]

Man he really is spamming the hell out of people with these give away promotions. Had three when I checked my Hotmail today.

[Radioguy9698]

the option to donate is something i am all for, i did not like having emails about donation drives being shoved down my throat, but a notice once in a while is good.

i at one time used to be a member of a message board called ufck.org, it was fun at first, but then the douchebags took over and ended up running me off when they went from donation drives to pay hosting bills, to now requiring that you pay $30 a week to be a member.

[Stmfuller]

Man he really is spamming the hell out of people with these give away promotions. Had three when I checked my Hotmail today.

you should just turn off receive messages from admins. Fixed the problem for me.

[Harv]

Phil is, indeed, a CO. I believe he's a sergeant.

That's what he told me as well. I don't remember him ever claiming to be a cop. He started off doing corrections several years ago and I don't know that he had any intention of being a police.

As for the whole banning thing. I think this is just a result of the situation that Phil is in now. In the past when people have left there hasn't been such a massive shift in how the site runs. The people who left the site in the past weren't so high profile and the forums were not such a major part of the site so that the ability to give feedback was limited and things pretty much went on as usual.

Now, you have these people who basically created the community that was Evil Avatar jumping ship en masse and people are noticing. Phil can't control that. There is something missing and people can see it. Hell, I noticed it as soon as I logged on after being away from the site after two weeks and I didn't even go there that often to begin with.

[civil]

I am.
And it looks like civil_dead maybe as well, as his account no longer has a "last activity" time/date.
:eek:

WTF? I haven't logged in since the split and I went there earlier today to see what the hullabaloo was. I'm not banned, but I also just moved (and was without internet at home FOR A FUCKING WEEK!) so my new IP isn't in the system. I used to log in from work quite a bit, I'll see Monday if that was banned.

That blows. I gave what I consider to be a lot of dough to that site (I had even PMed Phil to see if I could suss out Giga's total amount to try and aim for it). Oh well. Thanks for checking for me, Kool Aid man!

[Inspector Fowler]

I also love how, instead of changing the user title to "banned" he left yours up while somehow pruning your post count to 6, JAY. Weird.

I'm not banned, though. When you're banned, can you still browse the forums but just not post? 'Cause I can see the forums.

[Rogue_hunter]

I'm not banned, though. When you're banned, can you still browse the forums but just not post? 'Cause I can see the forums.

Nope. You just see the message that everyone keeps posting. And to actually view the site after logging in after banned, you have to clear your cookies.

civil: I was just checking anyone that had posted in the PAX forums, or threads I had posted in/followed. Funnily enough, we all still have our custom titles and post counts, except for James, Bap, AgtFox and Doc Finger. And even wierder, even though their post counts show less than 10, if you check to see their posts, it pulls up all of them.

[mister slim]

'fitbabits' has also been excised from the list of members.

[Rock Bandit]

'fitbabits' has also been excised from the list of members.

How about fitabits? Now that guy was cool.

[opsin]

Man he really is spamming the hell out of people with these give away promotions. Had three when I checked my Hotmail today.

I haven't gotten any, but possibly as I didn't update my email address there last time it changed. But my mate, who rarely ever visited the place, and as far as I had known hadn't signed up, is apparently getting things like spam for the Mirror's Edge code giveaway. First time he'd ever gotten an email from the site.

On to the donations here thing - while I never donated to EvAv (what with thinking Phil was a tool and other things), I would more than happily chip in here, as you guys actually talk about what it's for and such, so another vote that way.

[Stmfuller]

awww. I haven't been banned.
I'm almost feeling left out at this point.
come on!
jk

[Sl1pstream]

i at one time used to be a member of a message board called ufck.org, it was fun at first, but then the douchebags took over and ended up running me off when they went from donation drives to pay hosting bills, to now requiring that you pay $30 a week to be a member.

Did they also start spamming lemonparty? Did they start making alts to get around bans? Did they start acting like an asshole on speed when someone had a different opinion? Did they stop using capital letters and correct punctuation?

[Kelegacy]

You guys betrayed him. I don't blame the guy for being mad.

Heh, kidding. He's pissed the talent that kept his little money boat afloat jumped ship and swam to the next island. EvAv is a wasteland now.

How anyone can keep on supporting his site, at least monetarily, after getting hearing the gory details of what transpired there is beyond me. I'm sure most of them DON'T know, however.

[Blue]

You guys betrayed him. I don't blame the guy for being mad.

Heh, kidding. He's pissed the talent that kept his little money boat afloat jumped ship and swam to the next island. EvAv is a wasteland now.

How anyone can keep on supporting his site, at least monetarily, after getting hearing the gory details of what transpired there is beyond me. I'm sure most of them DON'T know, however.

Technically, those of us with access to the site still could log in and just start PMing people letting them know what's what. I know that was done to an extent before so I'm not sure if it should be done again nor if people really want to do that, but it's a possibility.

I don't much care for the idea that there are people over at EvAv that don't know what happened and who wouldn't support him if they did.

[Kielaran]

Those calling for a piking are thinking too small. This requires something new.

I vote for a civiling. We will rain bad cosplay from the sky. Children will weep and adults will cower in fear.:eek:

Muwaha. Muwahaha. MUWAHAHAHA!!!!

Ummm...what I meant to say was don't sweat it. It's not worth crying over spilled milk or some such.

[Sandman]

Didn't we just close a thread about that site because we wanted to move on? I seem to remember that.

[Generation ABXY]

Didn't we just close a thread about that site because we wanted to move on? I seem to remember that.

Indeed; but this topic appears to be alive enough to warrant giving that decision another look, it seems.

[iHap]

We all know what happened, you all know Evil still has his panties in a naught. The higher ups didn't make this site and the others for no reason.

Lock Please

[Generation ABXY]

Lock Please

Why, exactly? I don't much see the harm of openly discussing something. If you don't want to take part in that, the easiest thing to do is demonstrate a little willpower and simply NOT click on the topic.

[Doctor Setebos]

Didn't we just close a thread about that site because we wanted to move on? I seem to remember that.The funny thing is, the person who locked that thread, started this one. :D

[Ravenlock]

In general, in my experience, it's a poor way of handling any topic to say "we don't talk about that here" and shut the door. There are obviously still users coming in from EvAv who don't know what happened, and even for those who don't fall into that category, there's a pretty clear elephant in the room and they're going to be curious about it.

I certainly think things should be kept civil and I suspect a lot can be handled by simply linking people to threads that explain the situation and then letting them briefly respond to that however they need to, but going into a dictatorial "thread lock" mode over the topic seems the wrong direction to me as a user.

[Arphahat]

This thread right here is a good reason to have a 25 count minimum forum.

[Slack3r78]

In general, in my experience, it's a poor way of handling any topic to say "we don't talk about that here" and shut the door. There are obviously still users coming in from EvAv who don't know what happened, and even for those who don't fall into that category, there's a pretty clear elephant in the room and they're going to be curious about it.

I certainly think things should be kept civil and I suspect a lot can be handled by simply linking people to threads that explain the situation and then letting them briefly respond to that however they need to, but going into a dictatorial "thread lock" mode over the topic seems the wrong direction to me as a user.
I seem to remember the first round of this split starting before CoG (www.playitreviewit.com) having something to do with taboo subjects, after all....