"He's just going to get shot anyways..."

[pseudopseudo]

Sorry for another (essentially) noisy political thread - but has anyone else been hearing this A LOT lately?

I think every political conversation I've been in lately, SOMEONE (I've heard it from people of both parties, as well as unaffiliated people) pipes in with, "Well, if Obama gets elected, he's just going to get assassinated anyways."

What the fuck?

Maybe I'm just too naive and think that as a nation, we're past that point. It's just dumbfounding to hear SO OFTEN - it disappoints me quite a bit. I'm really quite sick of hearing it.

[LongStepMantis]

I've only heard it a few times, and mostly from the kind of mouth-breathing redneck trash that nobody would listen to in the first fucking place. It's not like Billy Joe John Bob will actually vote anyways.

And if they say it loudly enough, and often enough, G-men will be descending on them in the night any day now.

[TheFlyingOrc]

There are always crazy people who want to kill the president. The fact that many people are racist doesn't change this.

[LongStepMantis]

They should keep in mind what a President Obama has to offer.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9899/barackmk2.png

[pseudopseudo]

They should keep in mind what a President Obama has to offer.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9899/barackmk2.png

I don't care how badly Photoshopped that is - it's pretty damn funny.

Although, in the context, I think it'd be funnier if it were McCain. :)

[TheFlyingOrc]

They should keep in mind what a President Obama has to offer.

I'll see you and raise.

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/9-25-08/Boron1.jpg

[rinichanraar]

I think it's just been said so much lately because of the recent assassination plan against him by those guys. I wouldn't put it past people to want him dead simply because he's black, even now (if that makes any sense). People are idiots. (And some of them are racist idiots.)

Aside from that, I haven't really heard it any more than "If McCain gets elected, he'll probably die of old age while in office anyway." And then we get the Palin rant.

[LongStepMantis]

I'll see you and raise.


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/themoment/posts/savagedragonobama.gif

[TheFlyingOrc]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/themoment/posts/savagedragonobama.gif

I'm counting zero exploding tigers in this picture.

[LongStepMantis]

I'm counting zero exploding tigers in this picture.

I was unaware of the "exploding tiger quota".
I will go and be left in my shame.

[Khrymsyn]

I have to say it, but I seriously fear of an assassination of Obama if he wins. I just don't have the faith in the human race to trust it won't be an issue.

It scares me even more to think of what would happen in this country if it DOES happen... a white redneck assassinating the first half-white (people seem to forget that part =-P) president could really take racial tensions to a high not seen in 60 years.

[Johan]

It won't do much good worrying about it. The Secret Service is doing its best, I'm sure, to watch out for him. We've lost quite a few presidents this way, which isn't a very nice part of our history...:(

[Schnoogs]

Let's start a thread every time someone says something stupid!

[Schnoogs]

I just don't have the faith in the human race to trust it won't be an issue.

Which is why we've had Secret Service for decades...I understand it's a big scary world out there but if Bush can managed to not get shot after 8 years of pissing off 90% of the country I think Obama will do just fine.

You sound like the kind of person who wraps themselves in bubblewrap and lies in bed all day. :p

[hunterx280]

I'm still working out who I want to vote for and I feel no ill will towards either candidate but it may happen. In fact a white supremacist group was already plotting to do so (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/27/obama.plot/index.html?eref=rss_topstories). Now these guys were idiots to begin with but still, it's distinctly possible. I hate to think that we still have people in this country who would do that sort of thing but there are all sorts out there.

[squirrelTactics]

I'm counting zero exploding tigers in this picture.

Hold on, let me review the play.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/themoment/posts/savagedragonobama.gif


...yep, zero exploding tigers. The call stands.

[Kelegacy]

I've heard this MANY times as well, about the office and outside. It's sad.

But I've always stated that Obama is bulletproof and the next Chuck Norris. He'll whup yer ass if you aren't careful. And people who challenge the establishment are always the most susceptible to harm. That's just one of the evil's of the world. Ignorance knows no bounds.

[hunterx280]

I've heard this MANY times as well, about the office and outside. It's sad.

But I've always stated that Obama is bulletproof and the next Chuck Norris. He'll whup yer ass if you aren't careful. And people who challenge the establishment are always the most susceptible to harm. That's just one of the evil's of the world. Ignorance knows no bounds.

LOL! to the first half. :( to the second half.

[National Kato]

It's a good thing the President has some black SUVs (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0dd_1187202294&p=1) watching his back.

i know, this is not really in the motorcade, but it's still fucking cool.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I get nervous thinking about this sometimes, but I have faith in the protection that has been given to him. I am sure that they are not unaware of the stupidity that runs rampant in a lot of people in this country.

[J Arcane]

Eh. If he gets shot, we'll just get Biden for Prez instead, and he seems to be a lot more assertive a liberal than Obama anyway.

Now, if John McCain croaks, which is probably even more likely than Obama getting shot, we get Palin in the highest office in the country.

That shit frightens me.

[TrackZero]

It won't do much good worrying about it. The Secret Service is doing its best, I'm sure, to watch out for him. We've lost quite a few presidents this way, which isn't a very nice part of our history...:(

I'm (and sorry in advance for the derail) still shocked that no one offed Bush. I mean, really. Most hated president since Nixon, and no one even bothered. Tch tch tch.

[Schnoogs]

Eh. If he gets shot, we'll just get Biden for Prez instead, and he seems to be a lot more assertive a liberal than Obama anyway..

Let me get this straight...you think it's a good thing that Biden is more liberal that Obama. First off that's not even remotely true and second off that would be scary if it were and it's beyond me why anyone would look forward to that. :confused:

[rinichanraar]

Which is why we've had Secret Service for decades...I understand it's a big scary world out there but if Bush can managed to not get shot after 8 years of pissing off 90% of the country I think Obama will do just fine.
I'm (and sorry in advance for the derail) still shocked that no one offed Bush. I mean, really. Most hated president since Nixon, and no one even bothered. Tch tch tch.

Yes, but if I were to make a big generalization, I'd say that the people most fanatical about their hatred for Bush are all super liberal. The major types of people who strongly hate Obama are racists/rednecks/etc., who would be more likely to try to off him than a bunch of hippies.

Anyway, that's not to say that it's going to happen. I'm just saying that I can see why he'd be more likely to draw assassination attempts than Bush.

[pseudopseudo]

I'm (and sorry in advance for the derail) still shocked that no one offed Bush. I mean, really. Most hated president since Nixon, and no one even bothered. Tch tch tch.

Yeah, but the small percentage of crazies that'd actually DO something like attempt an assassination loved him. He was a "good ol' boy", after all.

[rinichanraar]

Yeah, but the small percentage of crazies that'd actually DO something like attempt an assassination loved him. He was a "good ol' boy", after all.

This is kind of what I was trying to say, but in less words. :p

[Schnoogs]

are all super liberal.

Yeah because they never blow shit up (see Bill Ayers) or burn shit down (see any environmental group).

No offense but the extreme left is full of as many nutcases as the extreme right.

I know super liberal people who call for all sorts of death and destruction...they're not all pot smoking peace lovers. :p

[rinichanraar]

Yeah because they never blow shit up (see Bill Ayers) or burn shit down (see any environmental group).

No offense but the extreme left is full of as many nutcases as the extreme right.

I know super liberal people who call for all sorts of death and destruction...they're not all pot smoking peace lovers. :p

Guess you've got a good point there! :p I guess I just found it easier to believe that an assassination attempt would come from someone on the far right than the far left.

[ClannerDelta]

Yeah, but the small percentage of crazies that'd actually DO something like attempt an assassination loved him. He was a "good ol' boy", after all.

I feel this statement is just as ignorant as someone voting against Obama on his race alone. Judgments like that just don't do anything for anyone.

"Billy Bob" the generic racist that's been thrown up around here, is most likely not the Assassin that would do in Obama should he be elected. Probably just some semi-normal guy who is tweaked in the head in just such a way that he can be deranged enough to try to attack a President while still coherent enough to pull it off.

[KingGorilla]

Even money says Obama reveals his super powers in such a situation. He catches the bullet, throws it back at the would be assassin, and is cheered as he flies off to the North Pole.

[rinichanraar]

Even money says Obama reveals his super powers in such a situation. He catches the bullet, throws it back at the would be assassin, and is cheered as he flies off to the North Pole.

Bullet-catching? Please. Did you see the exploding tiger?

[pomeroy]

I hate the "he'll get shot" "argument".

It's as relevant as "McCain is so old he'll die."

If that's the best argument someone has, I really don't want to hear what they have to say.

[KingGorilla]

Bullet-catching? Please. Did you see the exploding tiger?

If you want your president to be an endangered species killing Sith Lord...

[ClannerDelta]

If you want your president to be an endangered species killing Sith Lord...

Are we talking Palpatine or Anakin? I'd be alright with Palpatine for Emperor.

[rinichanraar]

If you want your president to be an endangered species killing Sith Lord...

Well, at least he doesn't sound like Superman and Santa's lovechild...

Actually, no, that would probably be awesome. :(

[KingGorilla]

Well, at least he doesn't sound like Superman and Santa's lovechild...

Actually, no, that would probably be awesome. :(

"Actually, Superman has his Fortress of Solitude at the North Pole." /Ralphie Voice

[ClannerDelta]

Well, at least he doesn't sound like Superman and Santa's lovechild...

Actually, no, that would probably be awesome. :(

So a super human who enslaves lesser beings to make his toys is awesome?

[rinichanraar]

"Actually, Superman has his Fortress of Solitude at the North Pole." /Ralphie Voice

Well, obviously. That's how he met Santa. ;)

So a super human who enslaves lesser beings to make his toys is awesome?

:(

[Dorkandproudofit]

So a super human who enslaves lesser beings to make his toys is awesome?


:(


You made Rini sad? YOU MONSTER!!!! NO ONE MAKES RINI SAD!!!!

*Unsheathes sword and gallops off to avenge Rini*

[Everyone vs Dinosaurs]

I hear that all the time from people in my school that don't know what they are talking about.

[pomeroy]

*Unsheathes sword and gallops off to avenge Rini*

That sounds so dirty.

[Narradisall]

I really wouldn't be surprised if his assassinated.

Actually I fully expect him not to finish his term if he wins.

Like it or not, there are plenty of sick people out there, people kill for fame, and killing the first black president of america is right up there in the 'fucked up hall of fame'.

Add that to all the racists, idiots, gun nuts etc that 99.99% of the time are all talk, chances are that 00.01% guy will be out there to have a try.

Secret service no doubt do their best, but Obama has a flair for big stage speeches on open podiums. Its a security nightmare and in a country where a kid can kill himself firing an Uzi at a show I don't like his chances.

[hunterx280]

I hate the "he'll get shot" "argument".

It's as relevant as "McCain is so old he'll die."

If that's the best argument someone has, I really don't want to hear what they have to say.

You are correct. People should vote for who they think is the best candidate. If they don't like someone, don't vote for them. Stupid arguments like these should be forgotten immediately.

[J Arcane]

I hate the "he'll get shot" "argument".

It's as relevant as "McCain is so old he'll die."

If that's the best argument someone has, I really don't want to hear what they have to say.
Obama getting shot doesn't leave a complete fucking moron to take over the Oval Office.

Palin made McCain's health very, very relevant.

[Spectre-7]

Are we talking Palpatine or Anakin? I'd be alright with Palpatine for Emperor.

You're exactly what's wrong with this Republic. :mad:

[pomeroy]

Obama getting shot doesn't leave a complete fucking moron to take over the Oval Office.

Palin made McCain's health very, very relevant.

It's such a cheap argument though. Why even go there? The issue is Palin, not McCain's health. The issue is McCain's judgement in picking her. Why aren't those good enough arguments? The same can be said for the Biden pick (on a platform of change we're picking a lifer politician?) These "what-ifs" just cloud the actual issues and cheapen the dialogue.

[J Arcane]

It's such a cheap argument though. Why even go there? The issue is Palin, not McCain's health. The issue is McCain's judgement in picking her. Why aren't those good enough arguments? The same can be said for the Biden pick (on a platform of change we're picking a lifer politician?) These "what-ifs" just cloud the actual issues and cheapen the dialogue.
Well sure, I think the idea of her even sitting in the VP seat is far above her pay grade, but it's not nearly as chilling as the very real possibility she could wind up at the helm of the nation.

I mean come on, it doesn't concern you in the least that McCain is just one complication away from leaving one of the biggest idiots to ever hold public office in the highest seat in the land?

[pomeroy]

Well sure, I think the idea of her even sitting in the VP seat is far above her pay grade, but it's not nearly as chilling as the very real possibility she could wind up at the helm of the nation.

I mean come on, it doesn't concern you in the least that McCain is just one complication away from leaving one of the biggest idiots to ever hold public office in the highest seat in the land?

The same argument could be made for every president with a questionable VP (looking back, there have been a lot of questionable VPs).

For me, this argument is just not one that's worth making. I'm much more inclined to argue on actual policy positions and previous performances then hypothetical what-if situations. To each their own.

[KingGorilla]

My mother brought up a good point for not voting for McCain, even though she is a very liberal woman. After Reagan and his hidden Alzheimer, she cannot vote for a person of that age who does not release his full information.

There are also issues of general old age. Regardless of disease, things like memory, thought speed, are just dulled. Anyone who says that age is not or should not be seen as an issue is just spewing BS. Every facet of a candidate is a material issue.

[Schnoogs]

Every facet of a candidate is a material issue.

I said the same thing about a candidates acquaintances and was flamed for it. :(

[pomeroy]

I said the same thing about a candidates acquaintances and was flamed for it. :(

Ayers or Wright? Just curious.

And every facet isn't ok to go after, or Palin's family would have been an even bigger issue than it was. Or McCain calling his wife a cunt.

[MagGnome]

It would be a sad day for America and the world if Barack Obama is assassinated.

I wouldn't be surprised though. There's a lot of hate in this country, and way too many who think that violence is the best solution to a "problem".

[rinichanraar]

You made Rini sad? YOU MONSTER!!!! NO ONE MAKES RINI SAD!!!!

*Unsheathes sword and gallops off to avenge Rini*

Oh, Dork! My hero! :D

[Xerxes]

Did somebody make the joke about McCain won't make it the first year either joke?

[fitbabits]

Sorry for another (essentially) noisy political thread - but has anyone else been hearing this A LOT lately?

I think every political conversation I've been in lately, SOMEONE (I've heard it from people of both parties, as well as unaffiliated people) pipes in with, "Well, if Obama gets elected, he's just going to get assassinated anyways."

What the fuck?

Maybe I'm just too naive and think that as a nation, we're past that point. It's just dumbfounding to hear SO OFTEN - it disappoints me quite a bit. I'm really quite sick of hearing it.
Here's a post I made over at PiRi -

True story. I attended the Obama rally in Denver this past Sunday and one of the people there handing out non-partisan leaflets remarked that the crowd waiting in line (~100,000) was very well disciplined compared to the McCain crowd she had been at a few days earlier. She said that the atmosphere at the McCain rally was exceptionally hostile and that it was obvious to her and her colleagues that a large percentage of those attending were baying for blood.

She also said that at one point she feared for her safety because she tried to hand off leaflets to a "group of intense people who were taking bets on when 'Osama Hussein' would be assassinated" and that "it would be the greatest day in American history since the Kennedy assassination." The woman informed police and left the rally with her colleagues.

[Xerxes]

Are we talking Palpatine or Anakin? I'd be alright with Palpatine for Emperor.

You know, I wonder if Palpatine was the Emperor when those aliens (I heard about them being a arc in extended universe) came, would he have whipped their ass with out thought? Or had as much as the Skywalker kids.

[Generation ABXY]

I'm (and sorry in advance for the derail) still shocked that no one offed Bush. I mean, really. Most hated president since Nixon, and no one even bothered. Tch tch tch.

Unfortunately, people have tried. They’ve just been as successful as the purported Obama assassins. The last one I remember hearing about was back in July ( http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions%5Cunpub%5C07/07-10865.0.wpd.pdf) (PDF), though, as we have evidence of, it didn’t seem to get much media attention.

What I find most amusing is that most potential assassins are regarded as mere crazies, but when it comes to Obama, the first thing out of most people’s mouths is that it will be some racist redneck.

[Xerxes]

Man if you watched Eagle Eye, Vantage Point, or Sniper, you'd know it's hard as hell to kill normal presidents. By these would in real life would be trying to kill Obama. That's got to be like hard to the power of ∞.

[fitbabits]

What I find most amusing is that most potential assassins are regarded as mere crazies, but when it comes to Obama, the first thing out of most people’s mouths is that it will be some racist redneck.
Actually, I think a more accurate term (as it applies here) would be, "crazy, racist redneck."

[Generation ABXY]

Man if you watched Eagle Eye, Vantage Point, or Sniper, you'd know it's hard as hell to kill normal presidents. By these would in real life would be trying to kill Obama. That's got to be like hard to the power of ∞.

I think the test of every great man is how hard he is to kill (that, and/or facial hair). I mean, look at some of our most respected presidents...like Teddy Roosevelt – the man took a freaking bullet to the chest and still insisted on giving his speech BEFORE going to the hospital! That’s why I think, before we put anyone in office, they should be subject to violent torture and attempts on their life.

McCain’s already passed that test. :D

And, yes, I’m joking; I wouldn’t vote for a candidate based on that.

[Xerxes]

I think the test of every great man is how hard he is to kill (that, and/or facial hair). I mean, look at some of our most respected presidents...like Teddy Roosevelt – the man took a freaking bullet to the chest and still insisted on giving his speech BEFORE going to the hospital! That’s why I think, before we put anyone in office, they should be subject to violent torture and attempts on their life.

McCain’s already passed that test. :D

And, yes, I’m joking; I wouldn’t vote for a candidate based on that.

McCain hasn't the past the test yet. :)
(If he had broke out of camp and killed everyone there then, yeah but since he didn't, he's no Andrew Jackson.) (http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html)

He has to do it again. We need more bad ass Presidents (http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html). Obama is cool, but not bad ass. He should like go kill a bear with a stick, then raise the cubs since he killed their mother. Other wise they'd be put to death. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1075830/Bring-sweetie-Man-kills-bear-stick-hes-got-scars-prove-it.html) But Obama would have too much honor for that.

[Generation ABXY]

McCain hasn't the past the test yet. :)
(If he had broke out of camp and killed everyone there then, yeah but since he didn't, he's no Andrew Jackson.) (http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html)

He has to do it again. We need more bad ass Presidents (http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html). Obama is cool, but not bad ass. He should like go kill a bear with a stick, then raise the cubs since he killed their mother. Other wise they'd be put to death. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1075830/Bring-sweetie-Man-kills-bear-stick-hes-got-scars-prove-it.html) But Obama would have too much honor for that.

Wait, since you bring it up, why exactly is Obama cool? I've never found much about the man to be particularly appealing in that sense, unless you count studdering like a cartoon character. :p

[fitbabits]

Wait, since you bring it up, why exactly is Obama cool? I've never found much about the man to be particularly appealing in that sense, unless you count studdering like a cartoon character. :p

A picture can speak a thousand words...


http://blogs.sun.com/kevin/resource/cool-obama/cool.jpg

http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/04/AP08041509878.jpg

[J Arcane]

Wait, since you bring it up, why exactly is Obama cool? I've never found much about the man to be particularly appealing in that sense, unless you count studdering like a cartoon character. :p
I find him almost inhumanly dull on a level only surpassed by the infamous Al Gore campaign of 2000.

I remain frankly rather baffled why everyone is so enthusiastic about the guy for any reason other than him being unattached to the existing Bush administration.

[Schnoogs]

Wait, since you bring it up, why exactly is Obama cool? I've never found much about the man to be particularly appealing in that sense, unless you count studdering like a cartoon character. :p

Its the whole black thing

[fitbabits]

Its the whole black thing
Oh, Schnoogsy.

[Scaryfaced]

I find him almost inhumanly dull on a level only surpassed by the infamous Al Gore campaign of 2000.

I remain frankly rather baffled why everyone is so enthusiastic about the guy for any reason other than him being unattached to the existing Bush administration.

Personally, I like his wife better than Barrack himself. I was a Hillary supporter, but the way that woman talks about her husband...it was enough to convince me. I'd be a lucky man to end up with such a clever and insightful wife. The absolute confidence she has in the man is enough to inspire me.

If Palin is the VPILF, that would make Michelle a...FLILF? That almost has a nice ring to it.;)

EDIT:Smillied for clarification.

[Generation ABXY]

A picture can speak a thousand words...

He can stand up? In the wind? You're not making much of a case here, Fits...

I find him almost inhumanly dull on a level only surpassed by the infamous Al Gore campaign of 2000.

I remain frankly rather baffled why everyone is so enthusiastic about the guy for any reason other than him being unattached to the existing Bush administration.

Oh, good. At least I'm not the only one. What bothers me more if I've heard of people willing to vote for him on that basis that he is cool. I'd be more than willing to accept the Bush thing as your reason, but that is what you're going to go with?

If Palin is the VPILF, that would make Michelle a...FLILF? That almost has a nice ring to it.

You really need to put a smiley after that, so people know you're joking. :p

[J Arcane]

Oh, good. At least I'm not the only one. What bothers me more if I've heard of people willing to vote for him on that basis that he is cool. I'd be more than willing to accept the Bush thing as your reason, but that is what you're going to go with?

Well, personally speaking, I wrote the whole American political system off as a farce some time ago, and really didn't care wither way, until Palin got nominated for VP.

[Generation ABXY]

Well, personally speaking, I wrote the whole American political system off as a farce some time ago, and really didn't care wither way, until Palin got nominated for VP.

Also a perfectly fine reason...assuming the person can articulate it better than, "There ain't no crack heads in Alaska!"

Personally, I feel someone can use whatever method they like to decide their vote - that's one of the great things about this country - just don't expect me to automatically consider you worth the air you breathe once you reveal it.

[Squidbot]

I hear it quite often here in the U.K. It seems British opinion is that you guys do manage to put a non white person in the White House (Ho ho) he'll just get sniped by some rednecks, prompting another conspiracy theory.

[Ancalagon]

Man if you watched Eagle Eye, Vantage Point, or Sniper, you'd know it's hard as hell to kill normal presidents. By these would in real life would be trying to kill Obama. That's got to be like hard to the power of ∞.

I hated Vantage point - watching the same story over and over again 8 times to glean a minor plot point was so unrewarding. I wish they had made the story have a better twist, like that maybe Forrest Whitaker was the bad guy all along and was using his videotape to mislead the cops into looking somewhere else.

On that note.... do you reckon any US presidents ever use body doubles? It sounds so far fetched to me.

As for Obama's chances.... people have tried to kill him already, I have no doubt that those assassination attempts will continue. Whether they succeed or not, unfortunately probably depends on luck and the skill of his secret service. They kept one of America's worst president's alive thus far, so I imagine they are up to the task by now. Probably nothing short of a railgun could kill him (he has 1000HP and is protected by Mithril chainmail that provides immunity to small arms and poison).

I do have a question - do Americans think Obama is representative of African-Americans?

[Zero]

Its the whole black thing

Wow... I know what you mean by that, but the way you worded it... wow.

[fitbabits]

Wow... I know what you mean by that, but the way you worded it... wow.
I think he was being facetious.

[Vulture]

He can stand up? In the wind? You're not making much of a case here, Fits...




here.... i'll lend you mine, you need it more than i do
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh193/1stmatey/225px-Coolometer.png

i am proud of the democratic party's tradition of nominating 'cool' people to be president..... kerry doesn't count.

Clinton still is the king, being a jazz sax player is definitely...(lights cigarette, and draws deep, exhales, while saying in Issac Hayes voice) "Coooooooooool"

[Zero]

I think he was being facetious.

Oh, I know he was. He could have been a smidge clearer, though.

[Schnoogs]

Oh, Schnoogsy.

If you can suggest an alternative explanation I'm all ears.

[Schnoogs]

Oh, I know he was. He could have been a smidge clearer, though.

How could my post have been any more clear? :confused:

[Xerxes]

I do have a question - do Americans think Obama is representative of African-Americans?

In a way, he represents a fair share just fine. It's like Obama is to Al Sharpton as Mos Def is to Soulja Boy Tell Em. Both can representative, but one side of the spectrum is just shunned.

[Karak]

A picture can speak a thousand words...


http://blogs.sun.com/kevin/resource/cool-obama/cool.jpg

http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/04/AP08041509878.jpg

Al Gore as a black man.
Great. Boredom on a presidential level.

[LongStepMantis]

Al Gore as a black man.
Great. Boredom on a presidential level.

In Gore's defense, he used to be a 12th level Vice President.
Eventually he'll multi to Emperor of the Moon.

And yes, Futurama jokes are the most exciting thing about him I could think of.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Wait, since you bring it up, why exactly is Obama cool? I've never found much about the man to be particularly appealing in that sense, unless you count studdering like a cartoon character. :p
Lots of charisma, being the coolest race, and constantly promising that he's going to be totally different from what's going on right now when people are scared about the future.

[Generation ABXY]

Lots of charisma, being the coolest race, and constantly promising that he's going to be totally different from what's going on right now when people are scared about the future.

I...I can't tell if this is serious or not.

Whatever, I guess I just don't get it, but I don't really need to either. I'll just do the crazy thing and vote on the issues. :p

[Schnoogs]

I do have a question - do Americans think Obama is representative of African-Americans?

He's essentially a first generation african-american...which means he's black minus the gigantic chip on his shoulder. :p

So no he's not representative.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I...I can't tell if this is serious or not.

Whatever, I guess I just don't get it, but I don't really need to either. I'll just do the crazy thing and vote on the issues. :p

I was being humorous, but not fictional. I'm probably not voting either way, but his coolness factor comes from roughly the above.

[rifter]

The thought of a Barak Obama assasination scares the crap out of me....

Biden's next in line. Probably the only person I would want "protecting" my freedoms less, than Obama.

Honestly, I have heard people wanted to assisnate every President. HELL, on the view, Hasslebad or whatever her name is (the conservative one), gets more death threats than any of the other hosts. Goes to show, that you have loonies on both sides. Jeesus, she is a TALK SHOW HOST...

[Xerxes]

He's essentially a first generation african-american...which means he's black minus the gigantic chip on his shoulder. :p

So no he's not representative.

Ugh.... just ugh. :(

[Schnoogs]

Ugh.... just ugh. :(

Oh get a sense of humor....hilarious how my black fiance and her black friends laugh their asses of when I say these things but leave it the PC Nazi's on the internet to not get it. :rolleyes:

Oh and there's a lot of truth in my post...there are statistics backing me up.

[ShivaX]

I'm (and sorry in advance for the derail) still shocked that no one offed Bush. I mean, really. Most hated president since Nixon, and no one even bothered. Tch tch tch.

Oddly enough they tend to try to kill the ones people like.

I mean its not like Reagan and Kennedy were hated by everyone.

[Xerxes]

Oh get a sense of humor....hilarious how my black fiance and her black friends laugh their asses of when I say these things but leave it the White PC Nazi's on the internet to not get it. :rolleyes:

Oh and there's a lot of truth in my post...there are statistics backing me up.

Holy shit, I'M WHITE!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!! :D

[Schnoogs]

Holy shit, I'M WHITE!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!! :D

Fixed it for you...sentiment still stands though

[DylonCorp]

I know being black makes Obama cooler, but am I the only one pleased to hear someone who can use his words? As opposed to the gibbering space monkey president, or Paul Harvey's helium sucking little brother?

Whoa, went a little off there. Still, there's more to like about Obama than his lovely skin. His inhuman grace, perhaps?

[Schnoogs]

Still, there's more to like about Obama than his lovely skin[/color]

His choice of rubbing elbows with leftwing extremists through out his life...his socialist views...so much to love! :p

[Xerxes]

Fixed it for you...sentiment still stands though

I was :( that you assume you have to be a "first generation" black to not hav a chip on your shoulder. Or this "chip" in general. I don't know to many "chip" black people.

[KingGorilla]

Holy shit, I'M WHITE!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!! :D

Here is your Chrysler Seabring, a turky on white with mayo, and a V Neck Sweater(be sure that you pull the collar of your oxford shirt out of it).

[ShivaX]

Oh get a sense of humor....hilarious how my black fiance and her black friends laugh their asses of when I say these things but leave it the PC Nazi's on the internet to not get it. :rolleyes:

Oh and there's a lot of truth in my post...there are statistics backing me up.

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It had to be done

[Whunpo]

His choice of rubbing elbows with leftwing extremists through out his life...his socialist views...so much to love! :p
OK. I want you to explain to me WHY socialism is so terrible? What is so wrong with the government helping out those who need it? Are you trying to defend Joe the Plumber's hard earned dollars?
I'm guessing you simply believe in a free market. That's fine. I want to know what makes socialism BAD though. Are all of those liberal European countries gonna get us in our sleep with their dirty, godless socialist values?

[MagGnome]

OMG SOCIALISM!!!! *runs around screaming with his hands in the air*

The Republicans promote being selfish and greedy - that's why they bring up the "boogeyman" of socialism all the time. Too bad most people don't care anymore.

[Rock Bandit]

OK. I want you to explain to me WHY socialism is so terrible? What is so wrong with the government helping out those who need it? Are you trying to defend Joe the Plumber's hard earned dollars?
I'm guessing you simply believe in a free market. That's fine. I want to know what makes socialism BAD though. Are all of those liberal European countries gonna get us in our sleep with their dirty, godless socialist values?

Most people who opose it don't like the idea of people who earn their money having a big chunk of it taken from them and given to those who haven't. Basically when someone talks about Obama's policies being socalist they're talking about their fear that he's going to turn America into a welfare state. IMHO*.



*(my opinion is nowhere near humble as I am an arrogant braggart who constantly looks down his nose at others. I am also the best at high fiving. Ever.)

[KingGorilla]

OMG SOCIALISM!!!! *runs around screaming with his hands in the air*

The Republicans promote being selfish and greedy - that's why they bring up the "boogeyman" of socialism all the time. Too bad most people don't care anymore.

I am scared shitless to have cheaper healthcare, government sponsored banks, and a living wage. We may have a system as effecient as Germany, the horror.

[Ancalagon]

The irony is that you guys have bailed out your auto manufacturers, airlines and banks before, but when it comes to bailing out civilians, hell no, thats socialism!

[Jeffool]

The irony is that you guys have bailed out your auto manufacturers, airlines and banks before, but when it comes to bailing out civilians, hell no, thats socialism!Yeah, it's insane that we directly give money to the banks. Especially when you consider that if people were given money, those people would be giving all the money to the banks anyway. So, it's have the same effect, but at least people would have a little less debt. But, still Anc, blame the people. Look at the fucking idiots we're voting into office. We're doing it to ourselves.

[Xerxes]

You damn internet economist, and your logical outlooks. You'll never learn.

[KingGorilla]

I just heard on NPR yesterday, 50 Percent of the bailout money will end up in bank shareholders' pockets. Some days I really fucking hate this government and the way the country is run.

[Ancalagon]

I just heard on NPR yesterday, 50 Percent of the bailout money will end up in bank shareholders' pockets. Some days I really fucking hate this government and the way the country is run.

I heard the bonus payment for this year is like $108 billion or something. Way to go for screwing up the world's economy guys, heres a pat on the back.

Although... isnt the bail out package a loan? ie, wont joe taxpayer get his money back with interest?

its also strange that, I seem to remember that some companies were bought out, or at least shares were bought of those companies. That technically makes you, the taxpayer, a shareholder. Pity you dont get a say in how bonuses are paid though, I guess you guys paid the wrong lobbyist (ie the free one).

[fitbabits]

His choice of rubbing elbows with leftwing extremists through out his life...his socialist views...so much to love! :p
Um, you know that there are very strong ties linking McCain to Ayers and Khalidi as well, don't you? In fact, McCain gave something like $428,000 to Khalidi.

[Schnoogs]

Um, you know that there are very strong ties linking McCain to Ayers and Khalidi as well, don't you? In fact, McCain gave something like $428,000 to Khalidi.

Funny...I thought this thread was about Obama :confused:

Kind of a bizarre response if you ask me. :confused:

[Schnoogs]

What is so wrong with the government helping out those who need it?


More proof our high schools are failing us. This is as classic as Bean's description of Socialism..."A form of government where people help each other". I guess I would laugh harder if it wasn't so fucking sad.

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[Johan]

Its the whole black thing

Once you go black, you never go back. Someone smack me.

Oh, and he's going to win. I'm waiting for my check!

More proof our high schools are failing us.

You needed proof? :confused:

HEY...wait a second!

I just heard on NPR yesterday, 50 Percent of the bailout money will end up in bank shareholders' pockets. Some days I really fucking hate this government and the way the country is run.

I'm convinced that the real backstage reason for the bailout is America's incredible indebtedness to foreign lenders, and the pressure that those creditors placed on our government not to leave them holding a worthless pile of nothing, or they would cut us off.

America is the biggest debtor nation in the history of the world. We actually require tremendous amounts of money from overseas to keep our addiction to overspending going. We used to produce more than we consumed, but that hasn't been the case for decades.

[Schnoogs]

I'm waiting for my check!


Me too...between my government subsidized income check and my fiance's reperations check this whole Obama/Socialist thing is gonna pay off bigtime! :p

[Rock Bandit]

Me too...between my government subsidized income check and my fiance's reperations check this whole Obama/Socialist thing is gonna pay off bigtime! :p

Too bad by the time you get those checks the dollar's going to be about as valuable as a spoonful of dirt. :eek: ;)

[Johan]

Too bad by the time you get those checks the dollar's going to be about as valuable as a spoonful of dirt. :eek: ;)

In that case, send me the dirt! ;) Free is free, after all! I'll take it!

[Schnoogs]

Too bad by the time you get those checks the dollar's going to be about as valuable as a spoonful of dirt. :eek: ;)

Who cares...we'll have subsidized food lines.

[Rock Bandit]

Who cares...we'll have subsidized food lines.

Hmmm. Will the bread lines have WiFi? That would really help with the wait.

[Schnoogs]

Hmmm. Will the bread lines have WiFi? That would really help with the wait.

They will...but they will only be broadcasting the glorious message of The People's Internet. :p

[Rock Bandit]

I might like our new American Socialistic Society (A.S.S.). I figure it will be like regular socialism but with fireworks and bikini babes and guitar solos.

[Generation ABXY]

OMG SOCIALISM!!!! *runs around screaming with his hands in the air*

The Republicans promote being selfish and greedy - that's why they bring up the "boogeyman" of socialism all the time. Too bad most people don't care anymore.

Huh? And here I thought we promoted the idea that, if you work hard and make wise decisions, you should reap the benefits.

Nowadays, it seems like everyone wants to play the victim in one way or another, especially since it yields fast results in this PC world. Somewhere along the line, people got the idea in their head that, if you’re not a millionaire by 25, it is because The Man is holding you down.

...When did people forget that success doesn’t happen overnight?

[LongStepMantis]

Huh? And here I thought we promoted the idea that, if you work hard and make wise decisions, you should reap the benefits.

Nowadays, it seems like everyone wants to play the victim in one way or another, especially since it yields fast results in this PC world. Somewhere along the line, people got the idea in their head that, if you’re not a millionaire by 25, it is because The Man is holding you down.

...When did people forget that success doesn’t happen overnight?

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Brought to you by the attitudes of most people living right now.

[Rock Bandit]

...When did people forget that success doesn’t happen overnight?

When they started watching reality t.v.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I heard the bonus payment for this year is like $108 billion or something. Way to go for screwing up the world's economy guys, heres a pat on the back.

Unfortunately, almost all of that money was written into the contracts the higher ups were already under. They aren't giving them magic bonus money for leaving.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Too bad by the time you get those checks the dollar's going to be about as valuable as a spoonful of dirt. :eek: ;)

The value of the dollar has actually been going up recently.

[MagGnome]

I am scared shitless to have cheaper healthcare, government sponsored banks, and a living wage. We may have a system as effecient as Germany, the horror.

It would be much better to just keep things going as they are, and let the corporations screw us all over and then run to the government when they start to lose money.
:rolleyes:

[MagGnome]

Huh? And here I thought we promoted the idea that, if you work hard and make wise decisions, you should reap the benefits.

Nowadays, it seems like everyone wants to play the victim in one way or another, especially since it yields fast results in this PC world. Somewhere along the line, people got the idea in their head that, if you’re not a millionaire by 25, it is because The Man is holding you down.

...When did people forget that success doesn’t happen overnight?

I didn't say anything about the government making people rich, or even welfare in general. I'm not a big fan of the government cutting checks to people who continually make poor choices.

However, raising taxes to fund things like early childhood education, national healthcare (I wish Obama was for this), more affordable college, etc. is a great thing. I don't see how this is playing the victim at all.

I'm all for personal responsibility, but I don't understand this "who gives a fuck about anyone else" attitude. I'd like to see a society in which the common good was emphasized over this "everyone for themselves" mentality that just promotes greed. We could find a better balance between the free market and outright government control - a balance wherein everyone would benefit and people wouldn't be fucked over simply by the circumstances in which they were born or an unexpected medical condition, accident, etc.

[Generation ABXY]

I didn't say anything about the government making people rich, or even welfare in general. I'm not a big fan of the government cutting checks to people who continually make poor choices.

However, raising taxes to fund things like early childhood education, national healthcare (I wish Obama was for this), more affordable college, etc. is a great thing. I don't see how this is playing the victim at all.

I'm all for personal responsibility, but I don't understand this "who gives a fuck about anyone else" attitude. I'd like to see a society in which the common good was emphasized over this "everyone for themselves" mentality that just promotes greed. We could find a better balance between the free market and outright government control - a balance wherein everyone would benefit and people wouldn't be fucked over simply by the circumstances in which they were born or an unexpected medical condition, accident, etc.

You say it promotes greed, but that very thing is the driving force behind this nation. As far as I know, you work, and chances are you do it for more than just survival. Chances are, you do it so, one day, you can live a more comfortable lifestyle – perhaps move out a crappy apartment and own your own house one day. By a certain definition, that is greed. But if we take that away, if we tell people there success is something to be punished because, in some way, they have deprived those beneath them of the chance to do better, what impetus is there to work harder? And, if the government (or, really, taxpayers) are going to pick up someone else’s tab in life, what reason does that person have to ever even start working in the first place?

And my problem with many of the things you mentioned is that they don't attack the real problem, just the symptoms.

[Schnoogs]

The irony is that you guys have bailed out your auto manufacturers, airlines and banks before, but when it comes to bailing out civilians, hell no, thats socialism!

This post makes ZERO SENSE since people complained before AND today when the government passed the 700 billion dollar bailout.

Think before you type.

[Xerxes]

I'm so lost. And some times a poser. I'll admit I don't know government except the features on the box. :(

Isn't making the rich richer and pushing middle class into the lower class what's fucking up everything? I keep hearing "spread the wealth", but I only thought of it in the since of keep substantial middle grounds. Less super riches, to create more jobs at fair wages and every one is a winner. But helping others is bad? :confused:

[Generation ABXY]

I'm so lost. And some times a poser. I'll admit I don't know government except the features on the box. :(

Isn't making the rich richer and pushing middle class into the lower class what's fucking up everything? I keep hearing "spread the wealth", but I only thought of it in the since of keep substantial middle grounds. Less super riches, to create more jobs at fair wages and every one is a winner. But helping others is bad? :confused:

Technically, it isn't really making the rich richer, just making it less poor than the other guy might. At least, that's the way I've come to understand it.

[Schnoogs]

But helping others is bad? :confused:

Oh brother...someone else who thinks socialism is synonymous with helping others.

Funny how as a libertarian I donate my time and money all of the time...I guess I didn't get the memo that all other forms of government equals NOT helping others.

This is why so many young people get duped into buying into socialism...because some fool of a teacher convinced them that socialism is the this warm and fuzzy way of governing where everyone is equal and happy.

Funny how reality never seems to match that.

[Xerxes]

Oh brother...someone else who thinks socialism is synonymous with helping others.

Funny how as a libertarian I donate my time and money all of the time...I guess I didn't get the memo that all other forms of government equals NOT helping others.

This is why so many young people get duped into buying into socialism...because some fool of a teacher convinced them that socialism is the this warm and fuzzy way of governing where everyone is equal and happy.

Funny how reality never seems to match that.

I didn't say the word socialism at all.

[ShivaX]

Funny how reality never seems to match that.

But the other side of the coin doesn't match what its proponents say it does either. The reality lies in the middle someplace. Theres a big area between Ron Paul and Karl Marx.

[MagGnome]

You say it promotes greed, but that very thing is the driving force behind this nation. As far as I know, you work, and chances are you do it for more than just survival. Chances are, you do it so, one day, you can live a more comfortable lifestyle – perhaps move out a crappy apartment and own your own house one day. By a certain definition, that is greed. But if we take that away, if we tell people there success is something to be punished because, in some way, they have deprived those beneath them of the chance to do better, what impetus is there to work harder? And, if the government (or, really, taxpayers) are going to pick up someone else’s tab in life, what reason does that person have to ever even start working in the first place?

And my problem with many of the things you mentioned is that they don't attack the real problem, just the symptoms.

I do work, and I do hope to better myself.

However, I don't believe that my advancement has to come at the detriment of others. I'm not saying that you believe so, but there are a lot of very wealthy people who profit off of the sacrifice and abuse of those "below" them - sweat shops, low wages, poor or no benefits, etc.

For example, what's wrong with equal access to affordable healthcare? The current system is broken, and I fail to see how the private market is going to fix it. The private market has created a lot of the problems. The focus is on profit rather than the well being of our fellow citizens.

Again, I'm not talking about just cutting checks to the poor, but you seem to think that I am. I've never said that I am all for just writing a check to those who refuse to work. That's just ridiculous.

[MagGnome]

Oh brother...someone else who thinks socialism is synonymous with helping others.

Funny how as a libertarian I donate my time and money all of the time...I guess I didn't get the memo that all other forms of government equals NOT helping others.

This is why so many young people get duped into buying into socialism...because some fool of a teacher convinced them that socialism is the this warm and fuzzy way of governing where everyone is equal and happy.

Funny how reality never seems to match that.

Yet to fail to educate us on what socialism really is.

"It's not this, it's not that, IT'S BAD OMG!"

Yeah, really convincing argument. Calling the other side stupid doesn't make you right.

[iHap]

This thread need more exploding tigers.

[MagGnome]

But the other side of the coin doesn't match what its proponents say it does either. The reality lies in the middle someplace. Theres a big area between Ron Paul and Karl Marx.

Exactly. Just like I said, there is a middle ground that would benefit us all. Painting everything in extremes gets us nowhere, but that's exactly what our politicians do.

Decrying Obama as some evil "socialist" is a poor argument, and doesn't actually do anything to solve the problems we face. It just creates fear, hatred, and promotes a lack of understanding.

[Generation ABXY]

I do work, and I do hope to better myself.

However, I don't believe that my advancement has to come at the detriment of others. I'm not saying that you believe so, but there are a lot of very wealthy people who profit off of the sacrifice and abuse of those "below" them - sweat shops, low wages, poor or no benefits, etc.

Sweat shops...really, I didn't think we had a big problem with those here. Moving on, I see low wages, a problem I don't see much of a fix for. We have a minimum wage, and we'd be hard pressed to enforce a higher one without causing a crunch on smaller businesses. When they get squeezed, they can't grow, causing them to often fire people; then you have people are just plain out of work, rather than not earning a lot. Of course, being forced to pay more also means they'll try and make up that money, likely by raising costs, putting us back in the same situation - sure, you're making more money, but now that money is practically worthless. The best thing to do would be to start low-level jobs, do it to its fullest and then work your way up.

For example, what's wrong with equal access to affordable healthcare? The current system is broken, and I fail to see how the private market is going to fix it. The private market has created a lot of the problems. The focus is on profit rather than the well being of our fellow citizens.

Healthcare on its own is not a right, but a fine and noble goal. So, what do you offer as a solution for it instead?

Again, I'm not talking about just cutting checks to the poor, but you seem to think that I am. I've never said that I am all for just writing a check to those who refuse to work. That's just ridiculous.

Okay, great, no checks for the bums. Now, what about the whole incentive to work hard thing?

[Blue]

This is why I don't want a P&R Forum or P&R posts...

[MagGnome]

Sweat shops...really, I didn't think we had a big problem with those here.

Oh bah, I was just giving an example. :p

I suppose we do have an equivalent, if you look at the conditions that some (many?) illegal immigrants work in. Also, before the government stepped in, companies had no problem employing child labor and putting workers in horrible conditions. Heck, there are still plenty of industries in America today where the employees are put at significant risk for fairly low pay. Of course you could argue that this is the choice of those employees, and I won't get into that.



Healthcare on its own is not a right, but a fine and noble goal. So, what do you offer as a solution for it instead?

Healthcare isn't a right? Really? You want to argue that in the modern world people don't have a right to healthcare? I'd argue that they do. Cosmetic surgery? Of course not. But cancer treatment? Flu treatment? Healing broken bones? etc. Those should all be rights, not privileges.

The solution that I see at this point is either heavy regulation to control pricing or nationalization of the system altogether. Get rid of the middle men, the insurance companies, that are more interested in turning a profit than in actually providing healthcare.[/quote]



Okay, great, no checks for the bums. Now, what about the whole incentive to work hard thing?

Why wouldn't there be incentive to work? I fail to see how higher taxes (within reason of course) equates to people being lazy or not wanting to work. Those who work hard will still rise to the top and make more money - or at least that's the idea, not always the reality unfortunately. It's not as if the rich are going to lose all of their money if Obama becomes president. No one is suggesting that we take all of their money away or anything like that.

[MagGnome]

This is why I don't want a P&R Forum or P&R posts...

I really dug myself into a debate here, something I usually avoid doing. :p

[Schnoogs]

Yet to fail to educate us on what socialism really is.

"It's not this, it's not that, IT'S BAD OMG!"

Yeah, really convincing argument. Calling the other side stupid doesn't make you right.

I didn't realize that you were also completely ignorant as to what the accepted definition of socialism is...I now understand why my criticism of his ridiculous interpretation of it requires more than a simple dismissal....for your sake the next time someone says that 2+2=5 I'll also provide a formal proof in addition to the obligatory "you're an idiot it's actually 4"

I also now know you're too lazy to google it and read something like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism).

Please let me know if any where on that page it describes socialism as a form of government where people help each other.

Here's the actual accepted definition of the term...now you can stop crying.

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.[3][4]

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.[1]

Socialism is not a discrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and program; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalization, sometimes opposing each other. Another dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split on how a socialist economy should be established between the reformists and the revolutionaries. Some socialists advocate complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; while others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy. Social democrats propose selective nationalization of key national industries in mixed economies combined with tax-funded welfare programs; Libertarian socialism (which includes Socialist Anarchism and Libertarian Marxism) rejects state control and ownership of the economy altogether and advocates direct collective ownership of the means of production via co-operative workers' councils and workplace democracy.

In the 1970s and the 1980s, Yugoslavian, Hungarian, Polish and Chinese Communists instituted various forms of market socialism combining co-operative and State ownership models with the free market exchange.[5] This is unlike the earlier theoretical market socialist proposal put forth by Oskar Lange in that it allows market forces, rather than central planners to guide production and exchange.[6] Anarcho-syndicalists, Luxemburgists (such as those in the Socialist Party USA) and some elements of the United States New Left favor decentralized collective ownership in the form of cooperatives or workers' councils.




Thanks for wasting my time by the way.

[MagGnome]

I didn't realize that you were also completely ignorant as to what the accepted definition of socialism is...I now understand why my criticism of his ridiculous interpretation of it requires more than a simple dismissal....for your sake the next time someone says that 2+2=5 I'll also provide a formal proof in addition to the obligatory "you're an idiot it's actually 4"

I also now know you're too lazy to google it and read something like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism).

Please let me know if any where on that page it describes socialism as a form of government where people help each other.

Here's the actual accepted definition of the term...now you can stop crying.

Thanks for wasting my time by the way.


Wow, welcome to my ignore list. I'm done with this bullshit.

[Siraris]

I'm a little late, but can I just ask when the last successful attempt on a President's life was? Yea, 1963. There have been attempts, but in 45 years, no President has been successfully assassinated. The secret service have been successfully doing this since that point, and I doubt that he will be riding around in any open roofed cars during his time in office.

George Bush has one of the the lowest approval ratings in history, and he made it for 8 years without a scratch. I worry about Barack, but if he made it for the past 2 years giving stump speeches out in the open with tens of thousands of people surrounding him, I'm pretty sure he'll be ok once he gets to chill at the White House, and ride around in an armored limousine.

As a related, but slightly skewed topic, has anyone ever looked into the assassination of Robert Kennedy? It's pretty fucking crazy. Think about this: every single time he left a speech before the one he was assassinated at, he left through the crowd. This one particular time, he is tired, and decides to go out through the back. He walks ahead of his chief of staff, and another guy, jumping off the back of the stage while they help his pregnant wife off, and is greeted by Sirhan Sirhan, who just happens to be waiting for him with a gun for the ONE time that he walks out the back. Boom he's dead.

It's a pretty unlikely set of circumstances.

[Scaryfaced]

Jesus, Schnoogs. You take being a prick to a whole new level. And seeing as you strong armed me into posting this, thanks for wasting my time!:rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

Wow, welcome to my ignore list. I'm done with this bullshit.

If that means I don't have to deal with your idiotic questions then I'm thanking you up front.

http://www.assassinworks.com/laugh.gif

[Schnoogs]

Jesus, Schnoogs. You take being a prick to a whole new level. And seeing as you strong armed me into posting this, thanks for wasting my time!:rolleyes:

If by prick you mean I actually know what Socialism means then yes I'm a giant and well informed prick. :p

[Purple Santa]

We all need to recognize when from their perspective, a thread is getting "out of hand" for them. When that happens...it's just better to stop reading and replying. If nothing else, the thread dies before it really does get out of hand from everyone's perspective.

[MagGnome]

We all need to recognize when from their perspective, a thread is getting "out of hand" for them. When that happens...it's just better to stop reading and replying. If nothing else, the thread dies before it really does get out of hand from everyone's perspective.

Good point. Thank you for the debate Generational ABXY. I respectfully disagree with your position, but I respect you nonetheless. :)

With that I bid adieu to this thread. I've been online too long anyway. :p

[Purple Santa]

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Good point. Thank you for the debate Generational ABXY. I respectfully disagree with your position, but I respect you nonetheless. :)

With that I bid adieu to this thread. I've been online too long anyway. :p

Just as long as you aren't bidding adieu to the community Mag :). Ms. Claus would have to track you down in MN then...

[Generation ABXY]

Good point. Thank you for the debate Generational ABXY. I respectfully disagree with your position, but I respect you nonetheless. :)

With that I bid adieu to this thread. I've been online too long anyway. :p

Fair enough. I do enjoy healthy debate, though, so, if you feel like picking it up again, just shoot me a PM.

This is why I don't want a P&R Forum or P&R posts...

Since P&R posts will never simply stop, I see this as a fine example of why a P&R forum would be good here. It would keep all of those topics isolated and, if you so wished, you would never have to go there. But, without one, this stuff creeps into everything else a lot more.

[ShivaX]

Since P&R posts will never simply stop, I see this as a fine example of why a P&R forum would be good here. It would keep all of those topics isolated and, if you so wished, you would never have to go there. But, without one, this stuff creeps into everything else a lot more.

What he said.

And Schnoogs retains his ass award for berating people and using laff.gif. As the cherry on top he doesn't really equate his position to the discussion in any way or explain his stance.

I mean we can disagree and still be civil, or at least remotely civil. Opening a string of insults doesn't really qualify as civil, especially when you never even really explained your own position.

[Schnoogs]

And Schnoogs retains his ass award for berating people and using laff.gif. As the cherry on top he doesn't really equate his position to the discussion in any way or explain his stance..

Oh please...I challenged his definition of Socialism and posted the accepted one.

What more can I do?

[Ancalagon]

I'm a little late, but can I just ask when the last successful attempt on a President's life was? Yea, 1963. There have been attempts, but in 45 years, no President has been successfully assassinated. The secret service have been successfully doing this since that point, and I doubt that he will be riding around in any open roofed cars during his time in office.

George Bush has one of the the lowest approval ratings in history, and he made it for 8 years without a scratch. I worry about Barack, but if he made it for the past 2 years giving stump speeches out in the open with tens of thousands of people surrounding him, I'm pretty sure he'll be ok once he gets to chill at the White House, and ride around in an armored limousine.

As a related, but slightly skewed topic, has anyone ever looked into the assassination of Robert Kennedy? It's pretty fucking crazy. Think about this: every single time he left a speech before the one he was assassinated at, he left through the crowd. This one particular time, he is tired, and decides to go out through the back. He walks ahead of his chief of staff, and another guy, jumping off the back of the stage while they help his pregnant wife off, and is greeted by Sirhan Sirhan, who just happens to be waiting for him with a gun for the ONE time that he walks out the back. Boom he's dead.

It's a pretty unlikely set of circumstances.

Some of the stuff about JFK's assassination still spooks me. In fact, the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

[ShivaX]

Oh please...I challenged his definition of Socialism and posted the accepted one.

What more can I do?

Well actually you challenged the concept of helping others, since it was Xerxes who said it and he didn't really say he was talking about socialism. Then Mag asked for a definition of socialism and you got indignant and called him an idiot for it.

See the part that gets fuzzy is if you equate what Xerxes was saying to socialism or not. It seems you don't, but rather you just have a problem with the concept of helping out people other than yourself.

The whole thing is confusing because you were blindly lashing out at people and making fun of them instead of presenting any sort of case for your perspective. Everything could have been resolved in a civil manner with something along the lines of "Well this is what I believe..." and/or "This is why I disagree with socialism..." You just chose to call people names and/or be insulting while not really offering anything to the discussion.

[Purple Santa]

Since P&R posts will never simply stop, I see this as a fine example of why a P&R forum would be good here. It would keep all of those topics isolated and, if you so wished, you would never have to go there. But, without one, this stuff creeps into everything else a lot more.

I think the title of this thread is a good indication it's going to be a P&R type thread. So if one sees that...then those who don't like such threads might want to stay away. Like myself. Usually I do. Sometimes i'll lurk. But to have a P&R forum to keep it nice and neat is unnecessary. Like anywhere on a forum, you read a thread title, choose to enter if it interests you and if not...you stay out. And now I have derailed this thread into a "should/should not there be a P&R forum". I do need to lurk elsewhere...

[Schnoogs]

but rather you just have a problem with the concept of helping out people other than yourself..

Funny...I donate my time and money every month.

Oops!!! I guess I didn't realize I don't like doing that...thanks for pointing out how I should really feel though!! :rolleyes:

[ShivaX]

Funny...I donate my time and money every month.

Oops!!! I guess I didn't realize I don't like doing that...thanks for pointing out how I should really feel though!! :rolleyes:

No problem. Thanks for once again not explaining your position.

[Schnoogs]

No problem. Thanks for once again not explaining your position.

Oh my bad...next time I'll just ignore opinions about me that are flat out lies!!!! :rolleyes:

[ShivaX]

Oh my bad...next time I'll just ignore opinions about me that are flat out lies!!!! :rolleyes:

Or maybe you could pick and choose parts of sentences to rail against instead of addressing the topics. Oh wait...

My whole post was about how you didn't explain yourself and gave the impression that you were against helping others. Your response? You attack part of a sentence while ignoring the entire point of the post.

The words "It seems" mean that its not a statement of fact but an impression. Of course you just ignored that so you could play the victim and act superior without actually answering the question or any of the points that were raised.

[Schnoogs]

Or maybe you could pick and choose parts of sentences to rail against instead of addressing the topics. .

I can tell the idea of clarifying erroneous statements about my beliefs is flying right over your head.

When someone resorts to lying about me I have ZERO interest at that point in having a discussion with them.

Stop flattering yourself that I actually give a shit now about what you think.

Later

[ShivaX]

I can tell the idea of clarifying erroneous statements about my beliefs is flying right over your head.

When someone resorts to lying about me I have ZERO interest at that point in having a discussion with them.

Stop flattering yourself that I actually give a shit now about what you think.

Later

I never said you gave a shit about what I think. When it comes to these discussions its become very obvious you don't care what anyone thinks and are simply trolling people and insulting them. There was no reason to call Mag an idiot or to imply that Xerxes was foolish in some way. When asked to clarify, you respond by ignoring the question and making it somehow a personal attack.

I was honestly just curious what you actually believe on the subject. Right now you give the impression that you have no beliefs and just wanted to call some people names because you could.

I was just naive in hoping that you would show a modicum of civility towards others and clarify your vague comments. I guess I should have known better?

[Schnoogs]

I was just naive in hoping that you would show a modicum of civility towards others and clarify your vague comments. I guess I should have known better?

I guess the 8 paragraphs I lifted from Wikipedia wasnt enough...next time I'll cut and paste the entire entry.

Not sure how many other ways I can point out that his definition was wrong. :confused:

[Zero]

I guess the 8 paragraphs I lifted from Wikipedia wasnt enough...next time I'll cut and paste the entire entry.



Oh, no. Poor baby. Don't worry Schnoogs, someday surely someone will appreciate your amazing cutting and pasting ability.

Not Apple, though. ZING!

[Schnoogs]

Oh, no. Poor baby. Don't worry Schnoogs, someday surely someone will appreciate your amazing cutting and pasting ability.

Nice idiotic entry to the thread.

[Variable Gear]

I'm surprised that people are excited to vote at all.

Obama isn't change. Obama's running more negative ads than any other candidate in US Presidential history, because of his vast resources. I will never vote for anyone who uses negative campaigning, or the man who refuses to answer questions at a debate, or the candidate who criticizes his opponent for being an old man, or the man that stretches the truth in order to make a cheap political point, or the man who jumps on the Joe the Plumber bandwagon, or the man who pretends that he can possibly fund all of his governmental programs without increasing taxes. Don't fucking lie to us. Either tell us that taxes will increase, while our quality of life rises, or that our taxes will decrease, while our quality of life stays the same or decreases. This is the base level of what we deserve as American people.

We still get the same old shit from the left and right, and yet we are all too eager to buy in to it and accept it as something new and interesting, instead of demanding some progression. That's my position, and I'm not going to crack in the face of the bullshit wave set to land on the fourth.

Yes, you guessed it, I'm not a big fan of politicians. In my eyes, they are all unlikable bastards.

[Whunpo]

Oh brother...someone else who thinks socialism is synonymous with helping others.

Funny how as a libertarian I donate my time and money all of the time...I guess I didn't get the memo that all other forms of government equals NOT helping others.

This is why so many young people get duped into buying into socialism...because some fool of a teacher convinced them that socialism is the this warm and fuzzy way of governing where everyone is equal and happy.

Funny how reality never seems to match that.
Stop fucking trolling. Seriously. You haven't EXPLAINED why spreading the wealth is so terrible. You just say that it is, and rant about how terrible the school system is. My teachers didn't teach me SHIT about socialism. If I have the wrong impression about what socialism is, its from my own failed research or ideas. Obviously, me and Xerxes are confused as to why giving money to poor people is such a terrible idea. Educate me. Show us all how much better you are than my obviously dumbshit teachers. :rolleyes:

[ShivaX]

Not really on topic, but I've never understood how Sarah fucking Palin can go after someone for supporting socialism (or at least hinting that they do). I mean shes responsible for the most socialist program around. She takes money from oil companies and doles it out to citizens. I guess its not socialism if you tax companies and give it to people? Then its... ummm... reform?

I also find it funny people always bring up her popularity. Well no shit, I'd love my governor if he gave me thousands in cash every year as well. Hell I loved Bush when he bought me a PS2.

[Schnoogs]

You haven't EXPLAINED why spreading the wealth is so terrible.:

Don't worry...when you move up to high school next year your teacher SHOULD show you how well it worked for countries like Russia, etc.

Or if you can't wait that long you could go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_socialism).

It's safe to say others have expressed the same opinion as my own. :rolleyes:

[ShivaX]

Don't worry...when you move up to high school next year your teacher SHOULD show you how well it worked for countries like Russia, etc.

Or if you can't wait that long you could go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_socialism).

It's safe to say others have expressed the same opinion as my own. :rolleyes:

Yeah, then they can teach us the horrors of the UK, France, Sweden and most of Europe.

Oh wait.

Equating socialism with the Soviet Union doesn't work. Yes it was socialism of a sort, but its not like its the only example of it. The fact that most of our allies throughout the Cold War practiced it while we opposed the USSR just shows that there was a big difference.

Edit: Of course this all comes back to how you are personally defining socialism. If you're going with the definition you quoted, then it doesn't apply at all to anything happening in America or likely to happen anytime soon and doesn't really apply to Obama (which is where all this started).

[Whunpo]

Don't worry...when you move up to high school next year your teacher SHOULD show you how well it worked for countries like Russia, etc.
Man, I love it when people make cracks at my youth/education.
Now, maybe it's just because of the stupidity of my teachers and of myself, but from what I have seen, is that the problems with most socialist countries were when a select few were taking more resources than the rest of the population. That wouldn't be considered very socialist.
So once again, explain to me how taking money from those who have more than they need, and giving it to those who have less than they need is bad. It's a simple question. You don't have to talk about my teachers, or my youth.

[Schnoogs]

Yeah, then they can teach us the horrors of the UK, France, Sweden and most of Europe..

Yeah because those are socialist countries...those are democracies with capitalistic economies. Not a single one of them has inacted the redistribution of wealth...taxation is not the same thing.

FAIL

[Schnoogs]

Man, I love it when people make cracks at my youth/education..

Instead of loving it do something about it. :rolleyes:

[ShivaX]

Yeah because those are socialist countries...those are democracies with capitalistic economies. Not a single one of them has inacted the redistribution of wealth...taxation is not the same thing.

FAIL

The only FAIL is you calling Obama a socialist when, if anything, hes in line with Western European democracies. So that fail is on your end of arguing for the sake of arguing and not defining yourself.

[Atepsflame]

Guess you've got a good point there! :p I guess I just found it easier to believe that an assassination attempt would come from someone on the far right than the far left.
The people on the far left and the far right are the same sort of people, just wearing different ideologies.

[Thanasimos]

So, I was talking with my mom on the phone, and she was like, "Jacob, there's a lot of -- you know -- in Troy, and I don't think Obama's going to lose, but if he does, I want you to be careful when you go downtown, okay? Because I don't want anything to happen to you..."

So, uh, thanks to this election, I found out that my mom's probably a racist. Or am I irrational for thinking that being black doesn't somehow make a person less prone to thinking rational thoughts?

[Whunpo]

Yeah because those are socialist countries...those are democracies with capitalistic economies. Not a single one of them has inacted the redistribution of wealth...taxation is not the same thing.

FAIL

OK then, to bring this back to where the conversation started, how is Barack Obama a socialist?

I love asking you questions Schnoogs. The fact that you avoid every single one ensures me that they are perfect.

[ShivaX]

So, uh, thanks to this election, I found out that my mom's probably a racist. Or am I irrational for thinking that being black doesn't somehow make a person less prone to thinking rational thoughts?

Well you made it this long without realizing it, so she did a good job imo. My dad is a horrible racist, but he did a damn fine job of hiding it from me my whole life and realizes its a flaw in his character. He taught me to never judge people based on the color of their skin, even though he did it himself.

I don't know many people from my parent's generation who aren't a least mildly racist. Many of them are overtly racist in private. Consider the media and things like Rodney King as influences as well. If you don't live around any black people and only have the media to show you who they are... well you're going to assume they're criminals and prone to violence, because thats the majority of examples you'll see of them on television.

[Thanasimos]

Well you made it this long without realizing it, so she did a good job imo. My dad is a horrible racist, but he did a damn fine job of hiding it from me my whole life and realizes its a flaw in his character. He taught me to never judge people based on the color of their skin, even though he did it himself.

I don't know many people from my parent's generation who aren't a least mildly racist. Many of them are overtly racist in private. Consider the media and things like Rodney King as influences as well. If you don't live around any black people and only have the media to show you who they are... well you're going to assume they're criminals and prone to violence, because thats the majority of examples you'll see of them on television.

That she did. It doesn't hurt that my dad is definitely not racist (More minority friends than not, which is not to suggest he keeps many friends, so unless he's making up for something...), so it was just my mom, who hid it. Funny how that works. Come to think of it, she always did seem more awkward and paranoid, more "make sure you keep an eye on your stuff" when my nonwhite friends were over. Oh well.

Well, here's to escaping the past! *Clinks imaginary glass of root beer, unless somebody'll break some laws for my sake*

[KingGorilla]

Not really on topic, but I've never understood how Sarah fucking Palin can go after someone for supporting socialism (or at least hinting that they do). I mean shes responsible for the most socialist program around. She takes money from oil companies and doles it out to citizens. I guess its not socialism if you tax companies and give it to people? Then its... ummm... reform?

This was discussed in a previous thread on the subject, but that is a main tier of fascism.

[Generation ABXY]

So, I was talking with my mom on the phone, and she was like, "Jacob, there's a lot of -- you know -- in Troy, and I don't think Obama's going to lose, but if he does, I want you to be careful when you go downtown, okay? Because I don't want anything to happen to you..."

So, uh, thanks to this election, I found out that my mom's probably a racist. Or am I irrational for thinking that being black doesn't somehow make a person less prone to thinking rational thoughts?

Well, I wouldn't say that is concrete evidence she is a racist...unless, she actually used a slur instead of saying, "you know." But given the way certain people have been playing up the idea that the only reason Obama might lose is because of his race, and how that in turn might cause race riots, it is not entirely unfounded fear.

Mind you, I don't really think it would happen, but there is precedent for it and if the first black presidency being "stolen" isn't cause for such a thing, I'm not sure what is...

[Xerxes]

OK then, to bring this back to where the conversation started, how is Barack Obama a socialist?

I love asking you questions Schnoogs. The fact that you avoid every single one ensures me that they are perfect.

You'll figure it out in high school. :rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

I love asking you questions Schnoogs. The fact that you avoid every single one ensures me that they are perfect.

Funny...I've answered several of them but I guess we've already established that you're an uneducated child :rolleyes:

[Generation ABXY]

Funny...I've answered several of them but I guess we've already established that you're an uneducated child :rolleyes:

So answer it again, just to sate his curiosity.

[Schnoogs]

So answer it again, just to sate his curiosity.

Or he could actually read the thread

Will that sate his curiosity? :rolleyes:

I'll give you a hint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_socialism)...since you seem a little slow.

[Schnoogs]

The only FAIL is you calling Obama a socialist when, if anything, hes in line with Western European democracies. So that fail is on your end of arguing for the sake of arguing and not defining yourself.

Which is funny because you used those same countries as examples of socialist countries that work.

This is like taking candy from a baby.

So Obama is in line with countries you deem as being socialist but he himself is not a socialist.

http://www.assassinworks.com/laugh.gif

[Vanifae]

Politics is pretty damn serious.

[ShivaX]

Or he could actually read the thread

Will that sate his curiosity? :rolleyes:

I'll give you a hint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_socialism)...since you seem a little slow.

There isn't a person here who thinks you're doing anything but being snarky and linking unrelated websites at this point I don't think. And seriously, stop the pointless insults please. Calling people stupid while not answering straight and simple questions doesn't really fly with most people.

[Schnoogs]

There isn't a person here who thinks you're doing anything but being snarky and linking unrelated websites at this point I don't think. And seriously, stop the pointless insults please. Calling people stupid while not answering straight and simple questions doesn't really fly with most people.

A website about the criticisms of socialism is unrelated???????

HE ASKED MY WHY I DIDN'T LIKE THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH!!!!!!

http://www.assassinworks.com/laugh.gif

[ShivaX]

Which is funny because you used those same countries as examples of socialist countries that work.

This is like taking candy from a baby.

Ummmm...

Ok... lets pretend you're 4, then.

You stated you don't like Obama because hes a "socialist."
In American politics that usually equates to European socialism.
You define socialism differently and don't think Western European socialism is socialism.
Since Obama is a European socialist at best (debatable, but I'll play along), he doesn't fit your definition.
Unless of course you can actually say what you are talking about without calling everyone names and linking wikipedia.

[Schnoogs]

Calling people stupid while not answering straight and simple questions doesn't really fly with most people.

The post I linked to was a direct answer to a question.

I guess you're too stupid to realize that. :rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

You stated you don't like Obama because hes a "socialist." .

Can you point out where I said that?

[ShivaX]

A website about the criticisms of socialism is unrelated???????

HE ASKED MY WHY I DIDN'T LIKE THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH!!!!!!

http://www.assassinworks.com/laugh.gif

Do you actually think about things before you type them, or do you just argue from 2-3 different places at the same time and then pretend you're somehow better than everyone when they point out that you're doing it?

You haven't answered a question thats been asked repeatedly.

[Schnoogs]

linking wikipedia.

Yeah because god forbid we actually use something other than an opinion to answer a question.

Let's just ignore the wealth of resources out there many of which are compiled from the works of people who dedicate their lives to such questions.

We wouldn't want that here...

[ShivaX]

Can you point out where I said that?

Ummm... sure..

His choice of rubbing elbows with leftwing extremists through out his life...his socialist views...so much to love! :p

You know... the place where you said he had socialist views? The sentence that started everything in this fucking thread from the point you said it? You know, the one that led you to personally insulting no less than 4 people for no good reason? That one?

[Schnoogs]

You haven't answered a question thats been asked repeatedly.

Really? Because the ONE question that he asked me I answered with a link to wikipedia. :rolleyes:

You might recall this since I pointed that post out to you.

You are a bit dense aren't you?

[Schnoogs]

Ummm... sure..



You know... the place where you said he had socialist views? The sentence that started everything in this fucking thread from the point you said it? You know, the one that led you to personally insulting no less than 4 people for no good reason? That one?

Oh my god...you are a moron....where does it say that I don't like him? Did you even see what that post was a response to? THAT WAS HUMOR. Notice the smiley at the end????

You are an idiot.

Since you have a distain for avoiding questions I'll ask you again...where did I say that I don't like Obama because of his socialist views??????????????????????????????????????????

[Scaryfaced]

His choice of rubbing elbows with leftwing extremists through out his life...his socialist views...so much to love! :p

Me too...between my government subsidized income check and my fiance's reperations check this whole Obama/Socialist thing is gonna pay off bigtime! :p

So you didn't call him a socialist. You only said he has socialist views and refered to "this whole Obama/Socialist thing".

If anything, it seems you like his socialist views.

[Xerxes]

You know... the place where you said he had socialist views? The sentence that started everything in this fucking thread from the point you said it? You know, the one that led you to personally insulting no less than 4 people for no good reason? That one?

http://www.assassinworks.com/laugh.gif

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[ShivaX]

You are a bit dense aren't you?

And you're well past the limits of whats acceptable and have been for 5 pages. I've been playing nice, trying to have an actual discussion but its getting really fucking old. I'll ask again that you refrain from personal attacks and insults and actually discuss things.

We can disagree on things, but insulting people non-stop because you're an internet tough guy or can't defend your positions, or whatever your reason is, needs to stop.

[Schnoogs]

for no good reason?

Pointing out your stupidity might inspire you to do something about it...like maybe taking a knife to your wrist.

[Schnoogs]

So you didn't call him a socialist. You only said he has socialist views and refered to "this whole Obama/Socialist thing".

Can you please point out where in that post I said I didn't like him???

Looks like all the morons are coming out.

[Schnoogs]

http://www.assassinworks.com/laugh.gif

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I guess you're too stupid also to notice that nowhere in that post did I say that I didn't like him.

I'm not surprised though...Xerxes always struck me as being a bit of a moron.

[Scaryfaced]

Can you please point out where in that post I said I didn't like him???

Looks like all the morons are coming out.

When did I say you didn't like him? Point that out for me will ya?

[Atepsflame]

Pointing out your stupidity might inspire you to do something about it...like maybe taking a knife to your wrist.

You know Schnoogs, I'm not sure who shit in your cereal this morning, but maybe you should be taking it out on them, not everybody else here. You're pretty goddamn out of line in this humble poster's opinion.

[Schnoogs]

When did I say you didn't like him? Point that out for me will ya?

Wow...you're not even bright enough to know why you quote things and jump into conversations. :confused:

(This guy really is an idiot)

[ShivaX]

Can you please point out where in that post I said I didn't like him???

Looks like all the morons are coming out.

I'm done. You're just calling people idiots and stupid and being insulting because we caught you in a loop of your own bullshit. I played nice, as did others, but you refuse to stop.

You realize the number of posts in this thread that are viable reports is nearing the double digits at this point right?

[Schnoogs]

You know Schnoogs, I'm not sure who shit in your cereal this morning, but maybe you should be taking it out on them, not everybody else here. You're pretty goddamn out of line in this humble poster's opinion.

sure dude...and everyone else is perfectly in line :rolleyes:

Oh my bad...I'm supposed to just get ganged up on by people who either lie (Shivax) or who just jump into the middle of conversations they have no context for and start making baseless accusations (Whunpo) and not react negatively at all.

No thanks :rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

I'm done. You're just calling people idiots and stupid and being insulting because we caught you in a loop of your own bullshit. I played nice, as did others, but you refuse to stop.

You realize the number of posts in this thread that are viable reports is nearing the double digits at this point right?

Still waiting for you to point out where I said I don't like him because he's a socialist....remember you called me out for supposedly avoiding a question....looks like you're a hypocrite. :rolleyes:

[ShivaX]

sure dude...and everyone else is perfectly in line :rolleyes:

Oh my bad...I'm supposed to just get ganged up on by people who either lie (Shivax) or who just jump into the middle of conversations they have no context for and start making baseless accusations (Whunpo) and not react negatively at all.

No thanks :rolleyes:

Lie? When?

YOU opened this can of shit by insulting Mag when he asked a perfectly viable question. You don't get to play the "woe is me" card when you start shit.

[Xerxes]

Looks like all the morons are coming out.

I guess you're too stupid also to notice that nowhere in that post did I say that I didn't like him.

I'm not surprised though...Xerxes always struck me as being a bit of a moron.

Wow...you're not even bright enough to know why you quote things and jump into conversations. :confused:

(This guy really is an idiot)

http://www.assassinworks.com/laugh.gif

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Scaryfaced]

Wow...you're not even bright enough to know why you quote things and jump into conversations. :confused:

(This guy really is an idiot)

Mmmm, sweet sweet irony. Tastes like venison in spring time. I actually said it sounds as if you like his "socialist views". Okie dokie silly yo, I'm an idiot.

So here's a straight question that's been asked 20 thousand times and never answered. Why do you consider Obama's views to be "socialist"? Can you present anything backing that point of view?

Also, please note that I'm not asking for a definition for socialism, arguements against it or any other wiki links.

[Johan]

Did Schnoogs just get banned? :confused: This thread is ugly...

[Atepsflame]

Did Schnoogs just get banned? :confused: This thread is ugly...

It looks that way.

[ShivaX]

Did Schnoogs just get banned? :confused: This thread is ugly...

Yeah pretty much. I'd say it was too bad, but he went beyond the pale.

[Scaryfaced]

Yeah pretty much. I'd say it was too bad, but he went beyond the pale.

I don't particularly like the idea of anyone getting banned, even Schnoogs. Of course, I could care less about personal insults. I was actually hoping for a straight answer to one of these questions much more than a banning of some sort.:(

[ShivaX]

I don't particularly like the idea of anyone getting banned, even Schnoogs. Of course, I could care less about personal insults. I was actually hoping for a straight answer to one of these questions much more than a banning of some sort.:(

He was never going to give an answer. Every reply was just a vehicle to insult someone. I hate when anyone gets banned, but it was getting stupid.

Lets not dwell on it, we'll just move on, though this thread is kind of borked since it got more or less hijacked by this conversation back on page 4 or 5.

[Wasson_]

This thread...makes me want to play Far Cry 2...and just blow the fuck out of everything, literally watch the world burn.

[fitbabits]

I believe this thread has outlived its usefulness, therefore I'm closing it.