Darth Vader banned from Star Wars cons [Archive]

Squidbot

07-13-2010, 05:49 PM

From David Prowse' website
(http://www.darthvader-starwars.com/)
Dave is not appearing at Celebration V

It is with regret that I have been informed by my friends at C2 Ventures, Ben and Phillip, that I am not to be invited to C5 this year or any other Lucas Film associated events. After enquiring, the only thing I have been told is that I have "burnt too many bridges between Lucas Film and myself" - no other reason given.

I have also been advised by the promoter of Paris Manga in September that LFL have requested no photo opportunities with the 501 Squadron, even though I am commander in chief of the 501.

Sincere apologies to all my fans who were hoping to meet with me - I s

I smell fatneck.

LongStepMantis

07-13-2010, 09:31 PM

God damn. Lucas never ceases to amaze me with how much of a cock he is.

LordDon

07-13-2010, 09:35 PM

I dunno, I've heard Prowse can be an epic douche himself.

Hawkzombie

07-13-2010, 09:56 PM

I want to know more!!

Savok

07-13-2010, 10:02 PM

I dunno, I've heard Prowse can be an epic douche himself.
Still, hard to outdouche Lucas.

Narradisall

07-14-2010, 06:13 AM

I've met David Prowse a couple of times.

Lets just say, man can hold a grudge. Take that from me, who holds grudges rather well as I am in awe of how long that guy can hold a grudge for.

Still, he signs things for me and is nice to chat to (if a bit stern), but he really never forgave them for taking away his 'Darth Vader' moment.

Hawkzombie

07-14-2010, 11:07 AM

BigJonno

07-14-2010, 11:11 AM

I believe that he didn't know that he was going to be voiced over, for a start.

Narradisall

07-14-2010, 11:19 AM

Ok, I'm curious as all get out.

Is this even a sentence?

He likes to make a thing of saying 'David Prowse is Darth Vader'. ;)

Savok

07-14-2010, 11:20 AM

He knew he was going to be redubbed, however at the end of Empire he wasn't given the fateful lines, only Hamill knew so he could react properly. That annoyed Prowse because he would of done the physical acting differently.

He was also told he would get to be Vader unmasked... as we all know that didn't quite happen. Man got dicked out of being one of the all time great movie villains, I'd be bitter too.

Generation ABXY

07-14-2010, 11:20 AM

Ok, I'm curious as all get out.

Is this because (In essence) Vader was played by three men? Jones as the voice...the old guy who's name I can't remember as the unmasking, and Prowse was under the mask the whole time?

Is it because Prowse wasn't shown a the unmasking? Or what?

Yeah, it seems to be at least a few things. First the voice over (which he may have been aware of), then being kept out of the loop (apparently he didn't even know Vader was Luke's father until he saw the movie), and finally the unmasking.

Of course, I can't say how much blame he shares in any of that, but it's no doubt resulted in some tension on both sides...

Narradisall

07-14-2010, 11:22 AM

Yeah, he got screwed, but 27 years later is a long time to hold a grudge.

Savok

07-14-2010, 11:34 AM

I still hate people from school.

nnanji

07-14-2010, 11:34 AM

Now look what he's been reduced to. I would be angry too.

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Xerxes

07-14-2010, 11:48 AM

Ummmm who is Dave Prowse?

Generation ABXY

07-14-2010, 11:53 AM

Ummmm who is Dave Prowse?

He was the guy who actually played Darth Vader... the man behind the mask (not unmasked, or the voice), if you will.

MagGnome

07-14-2010, 12:11 PM

I was always under the impression that Darth Vader was played entirely by James Earl Jones. It never occurred to me that this was not the case.

Narradisall

07-14-2010, 12:20 PM

I still hate people from school.

Yeah Savok, but you're a special case. A symphony of bitterness entwined with the seething hatred of a thousand suns.

Generation ABXY

07-14-2010, 12:25 PM

I was always under the impression that Darth Vader was played entirely by James Earl Jones. It never occurred to me that this was not the case.

Get out, Mags. Just... just get out. O_o I'm disappointed in you, Jacob.

Dukefrukem

07-14-2010, 12:34 PM

I was always under the impression that Darth Vader was played entirely by James Earl Jones. It never occurred to me that this was not the case.

Whaaaaa?

YSm9DDxQv8E

Wasson_

07-14-2010, 12:41 PM

Yeah, he got screwed, but 27 years later is a long time to hold a grudge.

Saturn comes back around
Lifts you up like a child
Or drags you down like a stone to
Consume you till you

Choose to
Let this go
Choose to
Let this go

Give away the stone, let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor
Give away the stone, let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold

...give him 3 more years.

Savok

07-14-2010, 12:57 PM

What happens when you cast someone from the West Country...

Ten19

07-14-2010, 12:57 PM

Saturn comes back around
Lifts you up like a child
Or drags you down like a stone to
Consume you till you

Choose to
Let this go
Choose to
Let this go

Give away the stone, let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor
Give away the stone, let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold

...give him 3 more years.
If this forum had reputation or post rating, I'd give you fifty fucking stars.

Dukefrukem

07-14-2010, 12:59 PM

why doesn't it btw? that's a good idea

BigJonno

07-14-2010, 01:10 PM

why doesn't it btw? that's a good idea

Because we're not seven any more.

burger

07-14-2010, 01:10 PM

I read an article yesterday that said Prowse was upset that he had received no residual money from The Empire Strikes Back and was routinely told that the movie never made a profit.

Dukefrukem

07-14-2010, 01:12 PM

Because we're not seven any more.

This post makes no sense... :confused:

BigJonno

07-14-2010, 01:18 PM

This post makes no sense... :confused:

Post ratings and handing out little stars are incredibly reminiscent of something you'd do in primary schools.

Widgetcraft

07-14-2010, 01:29 PM

I read an article yesterday that said Prowse was upset that he had received no residual money from The Empire Strikes Back and was routinely told that the movie never made a profit.

That'd certainly put me in a pissy mood.

J Arcane

07-14-2010, 01:35 PM

I was always under the impression that Darth Vader was played entirely by James Earl Jones. It never occurred to me that this was not the case.
Which is funny because originally Jones wasn't even credited.

MagGnome

07-14-2010, 01:46 PM

Get out, Mags. Just... just get out. O_o I'm disappointed in you, Jacob.

Brace yourself...

I've never really cared about Star Wars.

Narradisall

07-14-2010, 01:50 PM

Brace yourself...

I've never really cared about Star Wars.

Woah, woah.

Lets not go saying crazy things now Mags. Crazy, serial killer type things.

You don't want to kill your friends and family and wear their scalps like pretty, pretty hats do you? Do you?

Superman's Dead

07-14-2010, 01:52 PM

He do.

Ten

Suave Peanut

07-14-2010, 02:20 PM

I'm sure that Jaws was never his scene either.

MagGnome

07-14-2010, 03:00 PM

Woah, woah.

Lets not go saying crazy things now Mags. Crazy, serial killer type things.

You don't want to kill your friends and family and wear their scalps like pretty, pretty hats do you? Do you?

I just want to give everyone a Glasgow Smile.

SilentScreams

07-14-2010, 06:58 PM

Karak

07-14-2010, 07:06 PM

I read an article yesterday that said Prowse was upset that he had received no residual money from The Empire Strikes Back and was routinely told that the movie never made a profit.

Not only that. His original story, as he told it to my father when we were at a film festival was that he did NOT know it was going to be redubbed and sat stunned in the audience listening to someone else.
Now someone here said he did know.... Thats a change of his story then because we actually heard him talking about it.

However, I would hold a grudge as well.

Lint of Death

07-14-2010, 08:03 PM

Not only that. His original story, as he told it to my father when we were at a film festival was that he did NOT know it was going to be redubbed and sat stunned in the audience listening to someone else.
Now someone here said he did know.... Thats a change of his story then because we actually heard him talking about it.

Hahaha, he had to have known; his voice - as demonstrated in the clip posted earlier - is completely ridiculous!

roboninja

07-14-2010, 08:12 PM

I still hate people from school.

Because we're not seven any more.

This post makes no sense... :confused:

You'll understand it when you are 8 :p

Karak

07-14-2010, 08:12 PM

Hahaha, he had to have known; his voice - as demonstrated in the clip posted earlier - is completely ridiculous!

OUch...serious ouch.

Generation ABXY

07-14-2010, 08:47 PM

Glad I'm not the only one on these boards who doesn't care about Star Wars.

Well, I'm not saying it's the greatest thing ever - I mean, apart from the original trilogy and maybe a couple of the games (I liked Rogue Squadron, for example), I couldn't give two hoots about the franchise - but there are some things you're just required to know. :p

Savok

07-14-2010, 08:52 PM

Not only that. His original story, as he told it to my father when we were at a film festival was that he did NOT know it was going to be redubbed and sat stunned in the audience listening to someone else.
Now someone here said he did know.... Thats a change of his story then because we actually heard him talking about it.

However, I would hold a grudge as well.
Hey I'm open to having gotten some bad info on the guy, I never really took notice of him anyway.

Still, West Country accent, of course they're going to redub you, you silly bugger.

Karak

07-14-2010, 08:58 PM

Hey I'm open to having gotten some bad info on the guy, I never really took notice of him anyway.

Still, West Country accent, of course they're going to redub you, you silly bugger.

Oh I didn't remember who it was. Its no biggy. What I was getting to is that, with the drama of a soap opera I wouldn't doubt the change of story.

Widgetcraft

07-14-2010, 10:39 PM

Hahaha, he had to have known; his voice - as demonstrated in the clip posted earlier - is completely ridiculous!

Not really, it just doesn't have any voice masking on it to give it the tinny feeling you'd expect from it. I think his Vader would have been just fine.

Hawkzombie

07-14-2010, 10:52 PM

Hahaha, he had to have known; his voice - as demonstrated in the clip posted earlier - is completely ridiculous!

Yeah, I'm kinda in the same boat there.

Talanvor

07-15-2010, 01:47 AM

Hahaha, he had to have known; his voice - as demonstrated in the clip posted earlier - is completely ridiculous!

Yeah, he shouldn't hold a grudge for being dubbed over. My first reaction on seeing that clip is to laugh at Vader, not be afraid of him. The voice over work James Earl Jones provided is by far superior.

The unmasking I can understand more since it was just a generic white guy.

Superman's Dead

07-15-2010, 02:03 AM

Glad I'm not the only one on these boards who doesn't care about Star Wars.

With that said, I think whoever voiced Vader is more Vader than this guy is.
It's like the V For Vendetta movie...would anyone really have noticed if it wasn't Hugo Weaving in the mask? It's the voice that makes the character.

Yes, they would have. Acting with a mask is very difficult to do, and Weaving has the talent and the training to convey things with his body and position of his head. Vader though...his movements seemed pretty generic. I think you got that one right.

CappinCanuck

07-15-2010, 08:09 PM

I want to know more!!

I'm still on this part three pages later... what's going on? :confused:

Is this a mega-SW nerd rubbing his idol the wrong way?

Vigil80

07-15-2010, 08:36 PM

Hahaha, he had to have known; his voice - as demonstrated in the clip posted earlier - is completely ridiculous!
I feel bad about it, but I felt basically the same way when I listened to that clip. The voiceover fits much, much better.

To be fair, there's definitely some postprocessing going on, too. As ridiculous as he may sound looking back, they could have dressed Prowse's voice up in editing and ran with it, and we would never have known what we missed.

Consider the Jonas brother look-alike we got stuck with for young Vader. ;)

Kagger

07-15-2010, 08:42 PM

I'm sure that Jaws was never his scene either.

He has stated on numerous occasions that he bikes to work...

tacitus

07-15-2010, 08:42 PM

I read an article yesterday that said Prowse was upset that he had received no residual money from The Empire Strikes Back and was routinely told that the movie never made a profit.
Fox is probably to blame for that - movie financing is not to be believed. See "monkey points" in wikipedia.

I'm still on this part three pages later... what's going on? :confused:

Is this a mega-SW nerd rubbing his idol the wrong way?
Years ago I was told there was bad blood between Lucas and Prowse starting with Empire by a former Star Wars fan. Prowse was alledged to have leaked info to the press during Empire which is why he was not given the final "I am your father" lines. They suspected he had been leaking and they gave him fake revisions which were then leaked. Not sure about the latest soup opera.

Ink Asylum

07-15-2010, 08:50 PM

Whaaaaa?

YSm9DDxQv8E

I'm just glad they didn't go with James Earl Jones's first treatment of the character.

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Generation ABXY

07-15-2010, 08:57 PM

And I have a newfound appreciation for Coming to America, now. :D

JRR006

07-15-2010, 09:03 PM

He sounds like Pilate in Life of Brian. I mean, no offense to the guy...

CappinCanuck

07-15-2010, 09:33 PM

Years ago I was told there was bad blood between Lucas and Prowse starting with Empire by a former Star Wars fan. Prowse was alledged to have leaked info to the press during Empire which is why he was not given the final "I am your father" lines. They suspected he had been leaking and they gave him fake revisions which were then leaked. Not sure about the latest soup opera.

Thank you, I get it now. So, Lucas can hold a grudge for a very long time and Prowse can't let go?

Hawkzombie

07-15-2010, 10:48 PM

utGXF5orynk

YES! I've been looking for that video for ages...one version got pulled off Youtube (probably for being stolen, the user account was banned) and I never saw it again...so hilarious.

Savok

07-16-2010, 12:32 AM

Fox is probably to blame for that - movie financing is not to be believed. See "monkey points" in wikipedia.
Why would you ever work in Hollywood?

Squidbot

07-16-2010, 09:46 AM

Hey I'm open to having gotten some bad info on the guy, I never really took notice of him anyway.

Still, West Country accent, of course they're going to redub you, you silly bugger.

W4PTQCN8Juo

1:30 onwards.

SilentScreams

07-16-2010, 09:52 AM

I love Bill Bailey. So funny.

BigJonno

07-16-2010, 09:58 AM

Bah, I've been entertaining friends, family and random, unsuspecting late night revellers who I pounce on from the alley behind the kebab place for years with my "West Country Darth Vader" quotes.

Superman's Dead

07-16-2010, 10:01 AM

Why would you ever work in Hollywood?

Women.

10char

Savok

07-16-2010, 11:14 AM

W4PTQCN8Juo

1:30 onwards.
God dammit I was going to post that video, but then I thought no one would care.

And women? Hollywood doesn't have women, it has plastic dolls incapable of any thought. You'd get a better sex with a Real Doll, cheaper too.

Superman's Dead

07-16-2010, 11:36 AM

Having fallen in love with a waitress last night on Santa Monica who looked nothing like a plastic doll, I diSagree. Tall leggy brunette, big glasses, matching lipstick and dress...and when I'm a movie star, maybe shell talk to me! :)

Savok

07-16-2010, 11:39 AM

Or just do what everyone tells me to do, pay the woman.

Squidbot

07-16-2010, 04:34 PM

Why would no one care about Bill Bailey?!

J Arcane

07-16-2010, 05:01 PM

Why would no one care about Bill Bailey?!
This is a fine question, to which I have no response.

Bill Bailey is the most entertaining, hilarious, and outright brilliant ADD-afflicted pot smokers ever to grace a stage.

LongStepMantis

07-16-2010, 05:05 PM

Why would no one care about Bill Bailey?!

Everyone should. I love Black Books, and it's now on Hulu, so no one has any excuse not to watch it. He and Dylan Moran are fucking hilarious together, as well as apart.

SilentScreams

07-16-2010, 05:13 PM

Everyone should. I love Black Books, and it's now on Hulu, so no one has any excuse not to watch it. He and Dylan Moran are fucking hilarious together, as well as apart.

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You said his name and I couldn't not post one of his videos. Sorry. :D

Savok

07-17-2010, 12:08 AM

I love you all.

Wasson_

07-17-2010, 07:50 AM

If this forum had reputation or post rating, I'd give you fifty fucking stars.

Aww shucks...the year amount was just about perfect is all. :)

Squidbot

07-18-2010, 02:37 PM

Bill and Dylan in the same thread. All is right in the world.

I've seen them both live, both were equally hilarious.

LongStepMantis

07-18-2010, 03:14 PM

Bill and Dylan in the same thread. All is right in the world.

I've seen them both live, both were equally hilarious.

Agreed. It always makes me sad that most people only seem to know/recognize Moran from Shaun of the Dead, probably his least comedic role to my knowledge.
This has happened multiple times:

Me: Wanna watch a Dylan Moran standup? He's hilarious.
Them: Who?
Me: Dylan Moran. He was the guy with glasses from Shaun of the Dead.
Them: That guy was a dick, no thanks. He wasn't even funny.
Me: Sigh. Your loss. He's far funnier than you think.

Squidbot

07-18-2010, 03:29 PM

That must be a U.S. thing. I wouldn't say Moran is a celebrity as such in the U.K, but he's certainly much more widely known than that. Mostly for Black Books I'd say.