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DoctorFinger
06-30-2010, 05:21 PM
Oh those wacky Frenchmen (http://news.scotsman.com/world/France-rules-psychological-violence-is.6390769.jp)...FRANCE's parliament has approved a groundbreaking law that makes psychological violence an offence as part of a broader range of measures aimed at boosting protection for victims of domestic abuse.
Magistrates have criticised the bill, fearing it will be hard to define what exactly constitutes such mental abuse and say it will be very difficult to prove in court.

The law was proposed by members of parliament from both the ruling majority and the left-wing opposition and won the backing of the centre-right government.

"We have introduced an important measure here, which recognises psychological violence, because it isn't just blows (that hurt) but also words," Nadine Morano, the minister for family affairs, told the lower house of parliament yesterday.

Anyone found guilty of breaking the new law faces up to three years in jail and a €75,000 fine.

The bill defines mental violence as "repeated acts which could be constituted by words or other machinations, to degrade one's quality of life and cause a change to one's mental or physical state".

Ms Morano said witnesses could be called on to testify in such cases, and doctors' certificates detailing their patients' descent into nervous depression could also be used as evidence.

"The judge could (also) take into consideration letters, SMSs or repetitive messages, because one knows that psychological violence is made up of insults," she added.

The law can be used to protect both women and men who might suffer from such abuse, however parliamentarians have acknowledged that women are the main victims of domestic violence.I put this in the same category as all of those anti-bullying propositions in the past year: the intent is noble and the goal laudable, but it's using TNT to kill a bug.

The definition of "mental violence" (personal gripe: violence is by definition physical. Unless the attack is perpetrated by Professor X or Matt Parkman, mental acts can't be violent) is particularly scary.The bill defines mental violence as "repeated acts which could be constituted by words or other machinations, to degrade one's quality of life and cause a change to one's mental or physical state".I know the intent of the bill is to save people from mentally abusive relationships and bullying, but by that definition a woman who repeatedly refuses to go out with me could be guilty of a felony. Her refusals lower my self esteem, make me depressed, blue balls, etc. Hell, and employer who refuses to give me the job of my choosing could be found guilty under this proposal.

BigJonno
06-30-2010, 05:28 PM
Definitely fits into that "Great in theory, virtually unworkable in practice" category. And as the good Doctor rightfully suggests, in need of thorough silly bugger-proofing.

Ox
06-30-2010, 06:14 PM
Apparently using the term 'cheese-eating surrender monkey' is now a crime in France. Don't worry, though: just wear a coalscuttle helmet and they'll give you a pass.

Karak
06-30-2010, 06:22 PM
This world gets more and more wussified by the day. Fuck.

Ox
06-30-2010, 06:35 PM
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A crime in France.

Ox
06-30-2010, 06:40 PM
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A crime in France.

Ox
06-30-2010, 06:43 PM
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A crime in France.

Ox
06-30-2010, 06:45 PM
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A crime in France. And Canada, but for different reasons.

DoctorFinger
06-30-2010, 07:11 PM
If you're trying to prove the validity of mental violence, you're doing a bang up job.

Ox
06-30-2010, 07:12 PM
We only hurt the ones we love, Doc.

Ultima Thulian
06-30-2010, 08:32 PM
This world gets more and more wussified by the day. Fuck.

In fairness to the world, France has always been wussified. They even lost their own fucking civil war.

AversionFX
06-30-2010, 11:10 PM
Eh. On the one hand, I can agree. Because it's perfectly legal for a person to get your blood boiling. It's not okay for you to murder them in response. I guess this sort of bridges that.

Also, if this came to America, "frivolous lawsuit" would take on such a new meaning.

BigJonno
07-01-2010, 12:55 AM
Guys, I think this law is aimed at the kind of long-term mental abuse that leads to be people being completely fucked up for life, or just snapping and topping themselves. Like I said, I can't see any sensible way for it to be put in practice, but Simpsons clips and calling it "wussy" are in very poor taste.

RandoM51
07-01-2010, 04:30 AM
Like I said, I can't see any sensible way for it to be put in practice, but Simpsons clips and calling it "wussy" are in very poor taste.
Yes, criminalizing mental violence is serious business, as Exhibit A. clearly demonstrates.

Exhibit A

http://i48.tinypic.com/2e1ynpf.jpg

The mime problem alone justifies any legislation they can come up with.

Narradisall
07-01-2010, 06:05 AM
This thread is golden.

TheFlyingOrc
07-01-2010, 09:24 AM
Mental Violence, you say?

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Most likely, a crime in France.

Doogie2K
07-02-2010, 07:38 PM
Yes, criminalizing mental violence is serious business, as Exhibit A. clearly demonstrates.

Exhibit A

http://i48.tinypic.com/2e1ynpf.jpg

The mime problem alone justifies any legislation they can come up with.

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