Fallout 3 [Archive] - Page 5 - Colony of Gamers

Scaryfaced

11-18-2008, 03:26 PM

Yeah, in previous Fallout games dropping your INT down to like 4 I think meant you could just grunt. You used force to solve all your problems.

My first character was a dumb as dirt good guy. Int as 1, Str at 10. Your dialogue is a bit different, it adds alot of "Can you explain that again?" options and everyone talks down to you. I had high hopes that i'd run into another idiot who'd speak in shakespearean english, but i didn't find any. Having high strength gives you a few new dialogue options as well, so that made up for my stupidity.
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Spacetronaut

11-18-2008, 03:38 PM

You can find it all over the place. The first one that comes to mind is the metro at Grey Ditch when going to the scientist for the kid. It should be on the ground next to a burnt skeleton in one of the crossover tunnels. Should also be a silenced 10mm pistol setting on the lockers nearby.

The fuck, why do I remember that?

Awesome. I don't know what kid you're talking about but I will go there and search.

DangerousDaze

11-18-2008, 04:11 PM

Tried playing again today. Switched it to Window Mode which seemed to help for a while. Then I got killed and it crashed again. It's uninstalled now.

biosc1

11-18-2008, 04:13 PM

Tried playing again today. Switched it to Window Mode which seemed to help for a while. Then I got killed and it crashed again. It's uninstalled now.

Did you apply the patch that was released the other day?

bean

11-18-2008, 04:21 PM

Here's the wiki I've been using (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3) so I don't accidentally break any more quests by not being in utterly perfect order without any interruptions!

Remember kids, not checking every single fucking location you find - spoiling it - so you don't fuck the game's precious little order is vital. Safe exploring is fun exploring.

I wonder how you are encountering so many issues. . . maybe you should be a game-tester. My experience of the game was that when I screwed with things, interesting things happened rather than breaking the game.

Mr. Murphy

11-18-2008, 04:21 PM

Is anyone have the issue with the game constantly freezing all the time. I'm finding myself saving every like 5 mins manually if not near an autosave cause this game has frozen on my like 4 times now. Is it I have to dump my consoles memory cache? How do you do that again on the 360?? Hold down A while the console boots up I can't remember?

I'm on the PS3 version and I've had this happen two or three times. The game just freezes and no amoutn of waiting or button pushing will help it. Fortunately when I play games I tend to keep multiple save files and rotate through them, and I'm kindof a compulsive saver, so I've never lost too much. Still pretty irritating tho.

It seems to only happen when I've been playing for more than four hours at a stretch... :o

The only other glitch I've encountered was with Dogmeat. I left him at home in Megaton, since it was difficult to keep him alive with all the high explosives, flamethrowers, and mini-nukes flying around. I even left him a doggy dish I found. Later he suddenly appeared next to me in a tunnel in the Jefferson Memorial, and then story events locked me out of that location, apparently with him inside. I decided I didn't care, but a few hours later a message popped up saying he was waiting for me at Vault 101. I haven't bothered picking him up yet.

DangerousDaze

11-18-2008, 04:25 PM

Did you apply the patch that was released the other day?

You mean the one that fixes crashes while exiting or ALT-TABing? Yes, I applied that. The issues addressed by that patch seem to be the least of the game's problems if my experiences are more widespread (and let's face it, they are).

It's completely broken. Maybe I'll try again in a few months once they've finished it.

Banacek

11-18-2008, 05:30 PM

My first character was a dumb as dirt good guy. Int as 1, Str at 10. Your dialogue is a bit different, it adds alot of "Can you explain that again?" options and everyone talks down to you. I had high hopes that i'd run into another idiot who'd speak in shakespearean english, but i didn't find any. Having high strength gives you a few new dialogue options as well, so that made up for my stupidity.

That's awesome. This game is going to require a lot of play-throughs.

biosc1

11-18-2008, 06:25 PM

That's awesome. This game is going to require a lot of play-throughs.

It's interesting because you can play through as Good, Evil and Neutral. Playing Good and Evil is straightforward...I'm not sure how easy it would be to play Neutral...Neutral-Evil sure...

Banacek

11-18-2008, 06:45 PM

It's interesting because you can play through as Good, Evil and Neutral. Playing Good and Evil is straightforward...I'm not sure how easy it would be to play Neutral...Neutral-Evil sure...

Yeah, neutral is going to be be an odd one. It seemed to me like the good character got the most chance for quests and exp, but maybe that's just the way it seemed.

Hyperglide

11-18-2008, 07:12 PM

I'm on the PS3 version and I've had this happen two or three times. The game just freezes and no amoutn of waiting or button pushing will help it. Fortunately when I play games I tend to keep multiple save files and rotate through them, and I'm kindof a compulsive saver, so I've never lost too much. Still pretty irritating tho.

It seems to only happen when I've been playing for more than four hours at a stretch... :o

The only other glitch I've encountered was with Dogmeat. I left him at home in Megaton, since it was difficult to keep him alive with all the high explosives, flamethrowers, and mini-nukes flying around. I even left him a doggy dish I found. Later he suddenly appeared next to me in a tunnel in the Jefferson Memorial, and then story events locked me out of that location, apparently with him inside. I decided I didn't care, but a few hours later a message popped up saying he was waiting for me at Vault 101. I haven't bothered picking him up yet.

Good to know it's not just me. I did the same multiple saves with Oblivion. Bethesda doesn't seem to learn how to make these games run without hitching on the tech. Losing anything over 10 minutes though is extemely aggravating.

I agree with the 4 hours timeframe. I seem to have issues when the game is running for around that period as well.

Variable Gear

11-18-2008, 08:40 PM

I experienced the stupidest glitch with Fallout 3 last night.

I was exploring the wasteland, killing Raider and Brotherhood Outcast alike, when, to my disdain, the camera got stuck when I should have exited V.A.T.S. And, it appeared that the game had completely stopped. So, I spent the next few moments trying to figure out what save I should fall back on. I found an Auto-Save that I got from resting in an unused bed about ten minutes before, so I would have been okay with reloading that file. However, I thought I'd just unpause the game and see if anything would ever end up happening. If I was able to break the game further. I didn't notice it at first, but the Mysterious Stranger had been firing (and I'm assuming the Raider was firing back) this entire time. I was now able to recognize the shots that were being fired from offscreen by both participants, and the battle raged on for five more horrifying minutes, until the Mysterious Stranger finally downed the Raider.

The moral of this story is...save often. You can't predict when the game will fuck up.

Banacek

11-18-2008, 08:42 PM

The moral of this story is...save often. You can't predict when the game will fuck up.

I think that's the key. I save very often, and I never overwrite an old save. Never know how far you might have to go back.

Virtual Machine

11-18-2008, 08:55 PM

Oddly enough, in the 30 hours or so i've spent i haven't encountered anything other than a little texture pop-in and a single floating hunting rifle.

And i've only got two or three side quests to go before i power through to the end.

Scaryfaced

11-18-2008, 10:10 PM

I had very few issues when the game was first released, but that's changed drastically in the last few days. It seems like every patch breaks the game a little more. This seriously feels like AoC all over again. After the first patch, I started to experience random freezes and problems with my old save files. This latest patch seems to more of the same. I've started to run into more and more frequent crashes and strange slow downs that seem to come out of no where. I'll start reloading my gun, just to watch my frame rate plummet and the game turn into a slide show.

I just don't get it. It was bad enough having to deal with all the problems Steam brings to the table, including the game minimizing on start up and steam update notices opening under the game. Shit that I'm still dealing with, actually. Now, I get to download game breaking patches. Just leave well enough alone, you assholes.
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Savok

11-18-2008, 10:25 PM

Scaryfaced

11-18-2008, 10:33 PM

The freezes aren't the patch's fault.

It's the exact same thing I experienced with Oblivion, the more of the default game world you change, the more it will freeze. Seems it gets overwhelmed with all the changes.

Try starting a brand new game and see how long it lasts.

I made it to level 15 on my first character and never crashed. The first patch they released broke that save file, making the game freeze everytime I opened the PipBoy. I restarted as a new character and didn't experience any crashes after. They released the last patch a day or two ago. Since patching, I've experienced several black out crashes and a new stuttering bug. None of these crashes happened before the first patch. Between that first patch and this last one, the crashes were intensely rare. After this last patch, my game's gone to shit.

It isn't the Oblivion engine. The timing makes the problems incredibly obvious.
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jpublic

11-18-2008, 11:30 PM

I've had that mysterious stranger glitch a lot. I think the way the code works is that he shows up, attacks with a Perfect .44 with a really high skill, and continues until his target is dead. If for some reason his shots aren't hitting, he keeps going and going and going...

Overrated perk anyway. Was fun at the start, but by the time I hit 16 or so he showed up less and less often.

Hellbug

11-18-2008, 11:48 PM

I would imagine you mis-typed the code or didn't do it in time. Good karma and correct code should give you a great ending.

Which code did you enter?

I entered:

216. Was there another code that had to be found somehow? I remembered dad talking about the bible verse, and went to check my notes and sure enough, that was the verse for the water of the fountain of life.

Hotcod

11-19-2008, 03:08 AM

i love that the game is still letting me find out things to do... like how in vats you can shoot a grenade in mid flight after some one has thrown it

Savok

11-19-2008, 04:18 AM

I made it to level 15 on my first character and never crashed. The first patch they released broke that save file, making the game freeze everytime I opened the PipBoy. I restarted as a new character and didn't experience any crashes after. They released the last patch a day or two ago. Since patching, I've experienced several black out crashes and a new stuttering bug. None of these crashes happened before the first patch. Between that first patch and this last one, the crashes were intensely rare. After this last patch, my game's gone to shit.

It isn't the Oblivion engine. The timing makes the problems incredibly obvious.
Ahhh, it's killing your saves.

Yeah that's another Bethesda favorite they haven't quite fixed since the days of Daggerfall.

Another bug I've found when using VATS (mostly with the shotgun) is sometimes your first shot will act fine, everything in slow motion and all that nonsense, then it'll slow down a little more then normal, then speed right back up to normal expending every other shot you've queued up in the process. The problem being the extra shots do nothing except blow your AP and ammo.

Banacek

11-19-2008, 04:53 AM

Another bug I've found when using VATS (mostly with the shotgun) is sometimes your first shot will act fine, everything in slow motion and all that nonsense, then it'll slow down a little more then normal, then speed right back up to normal expending every other shot you've queued up in the process. The problem being the extra shots do nothing except blow your AP and ammo.

I'm pretty sure that is by design. You just saw the slow mo for the critical strike, and the rest is a style shot. I could be wrong though.

Savok

11-19-2008, 08:02 AM

I'm pretty sure that is by design. You just saw the slow mo for the critical strike, and the rest is a style shot. I could be wrong though.
The other shots that do nothing fire faster then the gun is even capable of, neither does the camera show them, you just hear them going off and have the missing ammo after. We're talking 95% to hit here, 3 shots in a row missing far more often then they should be.

ClannerDelta

11-19-2008, 08:26 AM

I'm pretty sure that is by design. You just saw the slow mo for the critical strike, and the rest is a style shot. I could be wrong though.

No, I've run into the same issue with the combat shotty. Not down to the effects, but the first shot will hit like it's supposed to and the next 2-3 will fire, use my ammo, use my AP, but do only the tiniest sliver of damage. It happens so reliably I don't use the Terrible Shotgun with VATS.

Superman's Dead

11-19-2008, 08:47 AM

No, I've run into the same issue with the combat shotty. Not down to the effects, but the first shot will hit like it's supposed to and the next 2-3 will fire, use my ammo, use my AP, but do only the tiniest sliver of damage. It happens so reliably I don't use the Terrible Shotgun with VATS.

I thought it was just that the shotguns have spread-fire, and most of the hit missed. Happens to me a lot too

Bone

11-19-2008, 08:51 AM

You mean the one that fixes crashes while exiting or ALT-TABing? Yes, I applied that. The issues addressed by that patch seem to be the least of the game's problems if my experiences are more widespread (and let's face it, they are).

It's completely broken. Maybe I'll try again in a few months once they've finished it.

Completely broken? The only crashes I experienced were pre-patch, and only when I was quitting the game. I'd say it's a combination of high system requirements and the long-standing problem of infinite possible hardware configurations. They can do better, but I would hardly say it's completely broken considering how many people here have finished and enjoyed the game.

ClannerDelta

11-19-2008, 08:52 AM

I thought it was just that the shotguns have spread-fire, and most of the hit missed. Happens to me a lot too

It'll happen on people just 5-10 feet away. So, while it may be spread-fire, it shouldn't happen either way.

Bone

11-19-2008, 08:54 AM

I entered:

216. Was there another code that had to be found somehow? I remembered dad talking about the bible verse, and went to check my notes and sure enough, that was the verse for the water of the fountain of life.

Yep, that's the correct code. Some people have stated that they took too long to enter it. It sounds like that happened to you too, because you only get called a coward because you didn't sacrifice yourself. If I'm right, you should have gotten a slide of the Jefferson Memorial in flames (because you didn't enter the code in time, Project Purity exploded). If you have a save game right before the end, load it and enter the code quickly but carefully.

DangerousDaze

11-19-2008, 09:00 AM

Bone

11-19-2008, 09:32 AM

Sure, I've read the thread. And shared lots of gameplay stories with people. I hate to say it, but if my Magic PC plays it fine I have a hard time believing it's completely broken. That isn't to say the game is perfect, but let's back off the hyperbole a bit.

DangerousDaze

11-19-2008, 09:42 AM

but let's back off the hyperbole a bit.

I see where you're coming from but my comment is my personal perspective. I have no idea what the game's like for you or anyone else, but for me it is unarguably broken.

Virtual Machine

11-19-2008, 09:48 AM

I see where you're coming from but my comment is my personal perspective. I have no idea what the game's like for you or anyone else, but for me it is unarguably broken.

why not try it on a console? Did you not heed the "Bethesda wants you to play on xbox360" warnings?

Bone

11-19-2008, 09:52 AM

I see where you're coming from but my comment is my personal perspective. I have no idea what the game's like for you or anyone else, but for me it is unarguably broken. And I really do feel for you. I've been in a similar boat before, when everyone was playing Battlefield 2 and it would only crash to desktop for me. It does suck. It is one of the most frustrating parts of PC gaming, but I just can't lay the entire blame on the developer.

The nature of random hardware configurations precludes the full testing of every possible variation. I know that doesn't help you enjoy the game any earlier, but for those of us that the game works for, it really works pretty well.

Young Al Capone

11-19-2008, 10:09 AM

Did you not heed the "Bethesda wants you to play on xbox360" warnings?

What warnings were those?

I am not trying to be a smratass or anything, I didn't follow the game during development...

biosc1

11-19-2008, 10:18 AM

What warnings were those?

I am not trying to be a smratass or anything, I didn't follow the game during development...

Didn't they only show it on the 360 at conventions? Always played it with a controller?

Young Al Capone

11-19-2008, 10:19 AM

I dunno, I didn't follow it during development...

Virtual Machine

11-19-2008, 10:23 AM

What warnings were those?

I am not trying to be a smratass or anything, I didn't follow the game during development...

Tongue in cheek. One of the locals (can't remember who) mentioned it a few times in a few of the Fallout threads.

Hotcod

11-19-2008, 11:51 AM

What warnings were those?

I am not trying to be a smratass or anything, I didn't follow the game during development...

one word... oblivion

Banacek

11-19-2008, 11:53 AM

The other shots that do nothing fire faster then the gun is even capable of, neither does the camera show them, you just hear them going off and have the missing ammo after. We're talking 95% to hit here, 3 shots in a row missing far more often then they should be.

I guess that goes in line with the other thing I noticed. My success rate with speech was through the roof, even when I was starting out and the chance of success was like 53% or something. But, if I tried a force lock and my chance of success was around 83%, guaranteed that it would fail.

DangerousDaze

11-19-2008, 11:55 AM

I shouldn't really knock FO3 for engine stability problems. After all, our new game is also based on the Gamebryo engine! I just hope that it's their customisations that have screwed it up rather than there being game-breaking issues in the underlying core.

Superman's Dead

11-19-2008, 11:55 AM

It happens...everyone crit-misses sometimes, guys. ;)

ClannerDelta

11-19-2008, 12:00 PM

It happens...everyone crit-misses sometimes, guys. ;)

Not sure if it's just sarcasm or not, but to clarify it happens just about every time I use vats with the shotgun. Doesn't effect any other weapon.

crazyD

11-19-2008, 12:08 PM

DangerousDaze

11-19-2008, 12:13 PM

What game is that?

http://www.blackprophecy.com/

Also, why oh why would anyone choose to use that engine?
So we can do stuff like this:
http://bp.kkweb8.de/screens/debut_screen_003.jpg

and this:

http://bp.kkweb8.de/screens/debut_screen_004.jpg

It's actually a pretty good engine and you can do an awful lot with it. I'm sure you'll agree that there's little in common between this and FO3. ;)

/shill out ;)

ClannerDelta

11-19-2008, 12:15 PM

It's actually a pretty good engine and you can do an awful lot with it. I'm sure you'll agree that there's little in common between this and FO3. ;)

/shill out ;)

That's a deliciously hulky spaceship. I hope you guys make this a great game.

Hotcod

11-19-2008, 12:29 PM

http://www.blackprophecy.com/

oooo i've been keeping an eye on this, it's looking very very interesting

crazyD

11-19-2008, 12:30 PM

http://www.blackprophecy.com/

Huh, never heard of it before, but it looks amazing. Know of any places where I can read up on the gameplay?

DangerousDaze

11-19-2008, 12:46 PM

Huh, never heard of it before, but it looks amazing. Know of any places where I can read up on the gameplay?

We're in the process of launching a new site and forum. Until then all there is that's in the public domain is this old preview (http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/815/815449p1.html) on IGN.

menage

11-19-2008, 12:47 PM

I always want to like and play games like that, but they slam me with so many menu's and tutorials I usually bugger off before the fun starts. Still, great looking game.

crazyD

11-19-2008, 01:42 PM

We're in the process of launching a new site and forum. Until then all there is that's in the public domain is this old preview (http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/815/815449p1.html) on IGN.

I'm not an MMO guy, but that does sound pretty cool. Keep us up to date with any new info!

Harv

11-19-2008, 01:48 PM

Well, I finished Fallout 3 and then went back to an old save and took the Explorer perk when I leveled to 20. I think I was right not to do it on the initial play through because it just makes the game boring by revealing everything. Also could be because I'm level 20 and on normal level it's just no challenge exploring any of these spots.

I think I will restart now and crank up the difficulty.

Harv

11-19-2008, 01:50 PM

http://www.blackprophecy.com/

So we can do stuff like this:
http://bp.kkweb8.de/screens/debut_screen_003.jpg

and this:

http://bp.kkweb8.de/screens/debut_screen_004.jpg

It's actually a pretty good engine and you can do an awful lot with it. I'm sure you'll agree that there's little in common between this and FO3. ;)

/shill out ;)

Looks good.

It's an MMO? I'm out. I can't play those or else I'll have no life at all.

Rogue_hunter

11-19-2008, 01:53 PM

So we can do stuff like this:
http://bp.kkweb8.de/screens/debut_screen_003.jpg

and this:

http://bp.kkweb8.de/screens/debut_screen_004.jpg

HAWT. Get that game out STAT!

Mr. Murphy

11-19-2008, 02:10 PM

Completely broken? The only crashes I experienced were pre-patch, and only when I was quitting the game. I'd say it's a combination of high system requirements and the long-standing problem of infinite possible hardware configurations. They can do better, but I would hardly say it's completely broken considering how many people here have finished and enjoyed the game.

It might not be as broken as some people are saying, but it's still broken. I'm on the PS3 and I've had the game freeze for no reason at least 4 times now.

Just for the record, that's 4 times more than any other game on my PS3 ever.

Edit: BTW, I love the game. I'm just saying. They could (and should) have done better. If this is the best it could be, well, it's better than nothing... but I find it hard to believe that it wasn't possible to release Fallout 3 without game-breaking and session-ending glitches.

Bone

11-19-2008, 02:24 PM

No, that's fine to feel that way. I have a high tolerance, I guess. Just about every one of my favorite games has had some serious growing pains in the beginning. I've become somewhat used to the release n' patch process, so maybe I'm part of the problem. But I do sympathize with testing a game that in itself has so many choices available (what would a QA test case for Fallout look like? *shudder*) on what amounts to infinite variations of hardware. However, failing on the console gets less slack from me. You have a 360 and a PS3 to test on... make it work!

DangerousDaze

11-19-2008, 02:33 PM

Even I'll give it another go once a more meaningful patch is released (and I'm sure it will be). I've had a lot of fun with it so far but I just can't carry on with it in its current state.

Banacek

11-19-2008, 02:56 PM

Edit: BTW, I love the game. I'm just saying. They could (and should) have done better. If this is the best it could be, well, it's better than nothing... but I find it hard to believe that it wasn't possible to release Fallout 3 without game-breaking and session-ending glitches.

Did you play Fallout 1 and 2? :)

KingGorilla

11-19-2008, 03:41 PM

It happens...everyone crit-misses sometimes, guys. ;)

I did realize another thing they kept from the Black Isle games, At point Blank, I can still miss in VATS(4 times in a row at level 100).

Mr. Murphy

11-19-2008, 03:45 PM

Did you play Fallout 1 and 2? :)

Over and over and over again. There isn't much about either game that I don't know - they were two of my favorite games in the heyday of my youth. What does that have to do with anything? The fact that they were broken too somehow makes it okay for a completely different development team to realease a completely different game in a broken state?

I'm not ripping on Fallout 3. I love it. I give it my game of the year.

But it's broken in ways every other game I own for a console is not. The last time I had a game freeze on me for no reason on a console was in the days of the NES. It's 2008 and I expect better.

Banacek

11-19-2008, 04:04 PM

Over and over and over again. There isn't much about either game that I don't know - they were two of my favorite games in the heyday of my youth. What does that have to do with anything? The fact that they were broken too somehow makes it okay for a completely different development team to realease a completely different game in a broken state?

It was a joke, nothing more.

Mr. Murphy

11-19-2008, 04:08 PM

It was a joke, nothing more.

That probably sounded a lot more acidic than I meant it. I love this game and I would have played it even if my ass disappeared everytime I fast traveled.

Banacek

11-19-2008, 04:23 PM

That probably sounded a lot more acidic than I meant it. I love this game and I would have played it even if my ass disappeared everytime I fast traveled.

I'm the same way. I love the game so much that I don't care about the little glitches I discover.

JayK47

11-19-2008, 04:50 PM

With games as complicated as they are, you have to expect more things to go wrong. I have had few problems, so from where I sit, the game is amazing. Open ended play and quests is a recipe for disaster. Few developers can pull it off.

The only time I have been completely unable to play a game, is when I would pick up an old game for a new computer, and there is no support for the new hardware. Every new game, no matter the issue, I have been able to resolve it through technical forums or tech support. Maybe I am just lucky that I don't lose more than $10 on a game that doesn't work.

Superman's Dead

11-19-2008, 04:56 PM

Not sure if it's just sarcasm or not, but to clarify it happens just about every time I use vats with the shotgun. Doesn't effect any other weapon.

I figured, but I really make as many d20 jokes as I can to placate the dice gods. They've forsaken me.

KingGorilla

11-19-2008, 04:59 PM

But it's broken in ways every other game I own for a console is not. The last time I had a game freeze on me for no reason on a console was in the days of the NES. It's 2008 and I expect better.

Ain't this what they call EH-Typical up in Canada? I cannot think of many issues Fallout has presented that I have not seen iterations of in other large scale games:GTA, ShadowRun, most MMOs,etc.

And while agree that Fallout needed another pass through QA, a majority seem like ghosts in the machine that I can remember from games a year ago or a decade ago.

JayK47

11-22-2008, 08:45 AM

inmostlight

11-22-2008, 08:48 AM

Is there a mission for killing off the slavers? I ran in to many slavers my first play through and finished the game without killing those bastards off. Now I want to confront them on my second play through and hope there is an actual mission besides me just running in there guns blazing.

Just a yes or no will suffice. As long as I know it exists, I would rather find it on my own. Thanks.

Do you mean the ones in Paradise Falls?
While not explicitly to kill them, the mission to rescue the kids from Little Lamplight sure involved me slaughtering everyone in that town.

JayK47

11-22-2008, 09:10 AM

There are also slavers near Lincolns Memorial. I don't remember any kids saying anything about slavers when I was trying to get into vault 87. Hmmm.

inmostlight

11-22-2008, 09:16 AM

There are also slavers near Lincolns Memorial. I don't remember any kids saying anything about slavers when I was trying to get into vault 87. Hmmm.

I found Paradise Falls first and several of them were locked up....I helped them escape and they led me over to Little Lamplight. Maybe it's different if you go to Lamplight first?

menage

11-22-2008, 10:09 AM

Slack3r78

11-22-2008, 10:41 AM

Why would anyone go for the arms or legs instead of a headshot in Vats mode? The only time I really not target the head it's when I've got a weird angle.
Hitting them in the arms can cause them to drop their weapon, giving you an advantage if you run out of APs before killing them. You effectively disable their ability to effectively fight back.

Morangie

11-22-2008, 10:57 AM

2 questions.

Why would anyone go for the arms or legs instead of a headshot in Vats mode? The only time I really not target the head it's when I've got a weird angle.

Anyone know where the guy is supposed to be who can teach me the heavy armor thing? The say the lab but fuck knows where the lab is.

The Brotherhood trainer is usually wandering around the main courtyard shouting at the trainees. Look for a paladin not wearing a helmet.

menage

11-22-2008, 10:58 AM

Hitting them in the arms can cause them to drop their weapon, giving you an advantage if you run out of APs before killing them. You effectively disable their ability to effectively fight back.

Do they often drop it after one shot as well? Cause my (brief) experience with it it took 3-4 shots to make em drop it. Might as well go for the head then I thought. But if there's a chance I can make these uber super mutants drop their miniguns I'm all for it.

The Brotherhood trainer is usually wandering around the main courtyard shouting at the trainees. Look for a paladin not wearing a helmet.

Mmm, didn't see him, maybe he's dead or "missing". Any other spots or is he the only one (god I hope not)

bean

11-22-2008, 11:05 AM

It's actually a pretty good engine and you can do an awful lot with it. I'm sure you'll agree that there's little in common between this and FO3. ;)

/shill out ;)

There isn't anything moving in those screenshots and they were no doubt taken with a mega PC. Plus, huge ships in space are easy to make look awesome without entering the uncanny valley because it is easy to do metal, but more difficult to simulate humans.

Show me how the engine performs with animated human characters on a game that has released and received benchmarks.

DangerousDaze

11-22-2008, 11:38 AM

There isn't anything moving in those screenshots and they were no doubt taken with a mega PC. Plus, huge ships in space are easy to make look awesome without entering the uncanny valley because it is easy to do metal, but more difficult to simulate humans.

Show me how the engine performs with animated human characters on a game that has released and received benchmarks.

Why so snarky?

Variable Gear

11-22-2008, 11:48 AM

Why so snarky?
You're releasing a game very similar in look to bean's "Annoying Message Board Posters in Spaceships."

Obviously, this is your fault. ;)

DangerousDaze

11-22-2008, 11:51 AM

I promise to do better!

Rock Bandit

11-22-2008, 02:46 PM

Where in Atom's name can you get a schematic for the dart gun? I believe it's the only one I'm missing.

KingGorilla

11-22-2008, 02:52 PM

The broad in Tenpenny towers sells a dart gun schematic.

Scaryfaced

11-22-2008, 03:00 PM

Where in Atom's name can you get a schematic for the dart gun? I believe it's the only one I'm missing.

I came across it on a random scavenger in the wastelands. Keep checking everyone who will sell to you, it will pop up eventually. Moira usually has schematics and they change day to day.

In other news, I think I might have reached the lowest Karma level you can hit. I'm currently "Evil Incarnate", which is well past that prissy Harbinger of War rank I've heard so much about. Anyone hit that rank or gone farther? Just to make sure it can't go any lower, I'll continue to cannibalize everyone and will soon move on to murdering entire cities in their sleep. I'm lookin at you Rivet City. I'm going to grind up those rude guard's bones to make my bread.
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carnage11

11-22-2008, 03:30 PM

Dart Gun Schematics : Temple of the Union : Head of State Quest or MDPL-13 Power Station : On ground near skeleton

Power Armor Training: Speak to Elder Lyons about training at The Citadel, then speak to Paladin Gunny and request training. Gunny is usually found around the shooting range.

Mission to kill of Slavers/Abolitionists : Mission Head of State. Go to Temple of the Union and speak to the slaves. They request you go to the Lincoln Memorial and clear it of Super Mutants, but instead there are slavers there. At this point you have the option to help the slavers or the slaves. There are also Slavers at Paradise Falls.

Vyzov

11-22-2008, 03:37 PM

I came across it on a random scavenger in the wastelands. Keep checking everyone who will sell to you, it will pop up eventually. Moira usually has schematics and they change day to day.

In other news, I think I might have reached the lowest Karma level you can hit. I'm currently "Evil Incarnate", which is well past that prissy Harbinger of War rank I've heard so much about. Anyone hit that rank or gone farther? Just to make sure it can't go any lower, I'll continue to cannibalize everyone and will soon move on to murdering entire cities in their sleep. I'm lookin at you Rivet City. I'm going to grind up those rude guard's bones to make my bread.

There is only one title per Karma level, it just changes as you level up. "Harbringer Of War" is just for having an evil Karma (-250 to -1000) and being level 14. Evil Incarnate isn't an lower of a karma level, it just means you are a higher level.

Scaryfaced

11-22-2008, 03:55 PM

There is only one title per Karma level, it just changes as you level up. "Harbringer Of War" is just for having an evil Karma (-250 to -1000) and being level 14. Evil Incarnate isn't an lower of a karma level, it just means you are a higher level.

I see. Well that's highly disappointing. What the hell's the point of paying attention to your Karma if a little evil is the same as alot of evil? That makes the system they have in place akin to faction grinding in MMOs, which is one of the stupidest game concepts I've ever come across. How entirely boring. And here I thought it would actually be intereting to see how far into the red I could go. Guess I don't have to OCD out about eating people anymore.
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Morangie

11-22-2008, 05:17 PM

Mmm, didn't see him, maybe he's dead or "missing". Any other spots or is he the only one (god I hope not)

Hes the only one who can train you in power armour use. He might have been in the barracks, depending on the time of day though he'll be in the courtyard all through the daytime.

menage

11-22-2008, 08:19 PM

Hes the only one who can train you in power armour use. He might have been in the barracks, depending on the time of day though he'll be in the courtyard all through the daytime.

Damn, going to look for him now

(while drukn at 4;30, go figure)

JayK47

11-22-2008, 11:39 PM

Mission to kill of Slavers/Abolitionists : Mission Head of State. Go to Temple of the Union and speak to the slaves. They request you go to the Lincoln Memorial and clear it of Super Mutants, but instead there are slavers there. At this point you have the option to help the slavers or the slaves. There are also Slavers at Paradise Falls.

So far in this game, no kill has been more satisfying that that of the slavers. Goddamn it felt good to pop a cap in those assholes with no less than Lincoln's rifle.

This is my game of the millennium.

Rock Bandit

11-23-2008, 04:44 AM

Got the dart gun schematic (twice). Thanks.

Spacetronaut

11-23-2008, 05:49 AM

I had an awesome moment today and I thought I'd share it.

I'm at the point in the story where the Enclave has shown up, and I was wandering around the wasteland exploring various things. I came upon an Enclave outpost with some dead and naked Enclave soldiers lying around. I poked around a bit and as I was leaving I ran into a group of raiders that were wearing assorted pieces of power armor and using high-tech weapons. The raiders obviously killed and looted the Enclave troops, there were evern a few dead raiders around for good measure. I don't know why, but it just seemed incredibly cool to me. The attention to detail in this game brings the world to life in ways that I've never seen in a game before.

KingGorilla

11-23-2008, 08:04 AM

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/dbrent19/11-17-2008.jpg
http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2008-11-17

Good times.

carnage11

11-23-2008, 09:03 AM

Last night I finished the Oasis mission. That's a pretty interesting mission. I gotta say too that I got some pretty sweet power armor as a reward. (+1 STR, +5 Big Guns, +10 Rad Res., as well as a +1 AGL, +10 Sneak hood and a +10 Speech charm) Now that's a good reward! My speech is at 100 now and my STR = 8, AGL = 10, INT = 10.

It probably doesn't need to be said, but, don't shoot the fat man in an underground cave. :o

KingGorilla

11-23-2008, 09:46 AM

I did not miss being able to kill kids until I got to Lamplight, that little fucker needs a shotgun enema.

menage

11-23-2008, 01:00 PM

Wow. I've been playing an veritable angel up until last night. I entered Andale, talked to the creepy folks there, tried to exit and rammed straight into the closed cellar door, For some stupid reason (well, it was the booze) I thought they locked me in and whipped out my shotgun spraying the inside of the house.

Then I realized that wasn't the door I entered. :P Overlooked the massacre, facepalmed and decided to go to bed. Funny thing is, it kinda got to me. The brutality of the scene, the twisted setting. Way more any other game ever did.

GOTY. I must have played for 14 hours this weekend. Fucking Epic.

Banacek

11-23-2008, 02:34 PM

Bone

11-23-2008, 02:42 PM

Hitting them in the arms can cause them to drop their weapon, giving you an advantage if you run out of APs before killing them. You effectively disable their ability to effectively fight back.

Also, leg shots can slow down an enemy considerably. Deathclaws and Nukalurks are two enemies I've been known to hobble, just to buy me some time.

Sazime

11-23-2008, 03:05 PM

I was all over the map, even saw the tribute to Lovecraft, and I missed Andale. Damn, now I want to play it again.
This is why multiple play-throughs are a must for me. Totally worth getting achievements for being Good, Bad and Neutral.
Also, leg shots can slow down an enemy considerably. Deathclaws and Nukalurks are two enemies I've been known to hobble, just to buy me some time.
Deathclaws also succumb well to having arms taken out to avoid that damned double claw attack.

Vyzov

11-23-2008, 04:10 PM

I hear all this talk about not shooting the Fat Man in places. You know what, fuck you all. Don't shoot the Fat Man MIRV. PERIOD. It ends in tears.

Kelegacy

11-23-2008, 04:26 PM

I was all over the map, even saw the tribute to Lovecraft, and I missed Andale. Damn, now I want to play it again.

Andale was a creep-fest. I stumbled across it just exploring.

Hotcod

11-23-2008, 04:31 PM

Andale was a creep-fest. I stumbled across it just exploring.

only way to find it unless some one points it out. Which is why i love the game so much. I mean given the work that must go in to even something small like andale it's nice to see them not feeling the need to point it out and just leave it there for you to find.

Banacek

11-23-2008, 04:33 PM

I hear all this talk about not shooting the Fat Man in places. You know what, fuck you all. Don't shoot the Fat Man MIRV. PERIOD. It ends in tears.

You're crazy. There is NOTHING more rewarding then a slow motion shot of a mini nuke hitting a super mutant in the face, then getting treated to a mushroom cloud.

Andale was a creep-fest. I stumbled across it just exploring.

That's the best feeling, isn't it? Discovering something all on your own. I was so upset I didn't discover the Alien Blaster on my own. God I love this game.

Rogue_hunter

11-23-2008, 05:29 PM

You're crazy. There is NOTHING more rewarding then a slow motion shot of a mini nuke hitting a super mutant in the face, then getting treated to a mushroom cloud.

Replace the super mutant with a behemoth and I completely agree. Sure, one shot pretty much kills my action points, but using one mini-nuke to start a chain reaction of nuke explosions thank to the nuclear powered cars, and then the behemoth drops a shitton of loot.

Stay away from the cars when super mutants are firing their minigun at you. The cars blow up right quick, and tend to cripple body parts.

carnage11

11-23-2008, 05:39 PM

I've not had the problems with the Mirelurks like everyone else. I think it's the weapon I use. If you complete the Replicated Man, you can get the android's gun. It's like a laser rifle except it does tons more damage. It's also pretty good at far away shots. Just hit them in the face twice with that thing and they go down like a ton of bricks. Even the Mirelurk Kings go down in 3 shots tops.

JayK47

11-23-2008, 08:35 PM

Man I love this game. I stole Dave's bolt action rifle, and love that damn thing. This time around I skipped bloody mess. I like the game much more without it. And rather than locking poor Dogmeat up, I decided to take him with everywhere I go, and if he dies, he dies. So far so good.

Spacetronaut

11-23-2008, 08:51 PM

I just finished the game and I've got a question about the end.

So they ask me to activate the purifier, but when I go in there's nothing but a keypad with some numbers. I assume I'm supposed to input a code, and I recall president toaster-oven saying he was giving me the code, but I have no idea what it is. I checked my notes and there's nothing. I spent like minute tring random numbers and screaming at the TV and then the damn thing exploded. What am I missing here? What's the damn code?

Savok

11-23-2008, 10:29 PM

"I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life." - Revelations 21:6

Spacetronaut

11-23-2008, 11:44 PM

"I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life." - Revelations 21:6

Ah, thanks.

menage

11-24-2008, 02:24 AM

You're crazy. There is NOTHING more rewarding then a slow motion shot of a mini nuke hitting a super mutant in the face, then getting treated to a mushroom cloud.

How about nuking 4 super mutants at once.:P Seriously, they never saw it coming.

Hotcod

11-24-2008, 03:14 AM

I was hoarding my nukes thinking that i'd need them for the big last fight... i was very very wrong. So on my new play through i think i'll use the a lot more.

Crowe

11-24-2008, 04:34 AM

ICBM's. That is all.

NoName

11-24-2008, 05:40 AM

Well, I beat the game on Friday and I'm 10 levels into my second playthough as an evil character. Sadly it's hard being evil and completing some of the quests, they'll give you good Karma just for completing them :/.

I've been playing as a melee character and it's changed the game completely. The combat is a ton faster now but still a ton of fun. I just got the flaming sword for the first time and I'm having a blast. Sadly I can't repair it with things I find on dead bodies :/.

I've found Super Mutants go down surprisingly fast to melee attacks...

Hotcod

11-24-2008, 06:23 AM

Well, I beat the game on Friday and I'm 10 levels into my second playthough as an evil character. Sadly it's hard being evil and completing some of the quests, they'll give you good Karma just for completing them :/.

This can be a problem... i try my best with quests to do the evil or neutral paths but it can be a pain to be sure some times and still get all of the loot involved. I've countered this by doing quests and then just killing every one involved if i can get away with it.

Take the family, i talked my way through to a neutral ending slipped on a stealth boy and slaughtered them with 'nads... i'll next go back to the village and do the same there. It's how i plan on taking on the rest of the game... wring all i can out of a npc or 'town' and when i no longer have a use for them kill them and take all there stuff. I think this blatant genocide should counteract any good i do along the way :D

i'm also doing melee along with big guns and i've found something a bit odd... i was able to take down a caravan guard with a baseball bat at level 2 beacuse i kept so close that she couldn't hit me. If they don't have a melee weapon to switch to it can become almost insultingly easy to take out people you shouldn't be able to so long as you don't let me back away to much.

Rejuvenile

11-24-2008, 09:09 AM

If anyone is looking for additional ammo for the Alien Blaster I found some.
Just to the northeast of Evergreen Mills there is an Enclave science post examining a radioactive crater. In the crater is an overturned truck. In the back I found something like 100 rounds of Alien Blaster ammo.

NoName

11-24-2008, 09:18 AM

If anyone is looking for additional ammo for the Alien Blaster I found some.

Alien blaster?

There's just so much in this game... I probably still haven't found a large chunk of it.

KingGorilla

11-24-2008, 10:49 AM

Morangie

11-24-2008, 11:08 AM

For me, the repair is fine so long as enemies and you are using the same gear-Like at the end when I was sporting tesla armor and the android' plasma rifle. But it is so obtrusive when you need to gring out crafted items, search for 4 different parts, or the one you are missing. Towards the end when I could no longet find pressure cookers for my rail gun, I really missed the Hammers from Oblivion or expert smiths like in any other RPG.

If you invest in the merchants at Canterbury Commons, their repair skill goes up to something like 65. Still not ideal but you can keep stuff repaired to a higher level before you need to waste your supplies.

Banacek

11-24-2008, 11:46 AM

Rejuvenile

11-24-2008, 12:38 PM

Will the blaster last longer than the 120 rounds you initially find?

I'd figure so, as long as it's condition is still OK after firing 120 shots. I've used it sparingly. When I found the extra ammo, I had around 80 shots left...now I have around 180. I really need to start using that thing. I love the sound it makes.

Banacek

11-24-2008, 12:49 PM

I'd figure so, as long as it's condition is still OK after firing 120 shots. I've used it sparingly. When I found the extra ammo, I had around 80 shots left...now I have around 180. I really need to start using that thing. I love the sound it makes.

Tell me about it. I never went to Evergreen Mills during my initial playthough, because I didn't need to. Fawkes and I went and found the alien blaster, then laid waste to their whole fort. It was like an alien invasion, with me rocking the experimental Power armor. So much fun.

Rejuvenile

11-24-2008, 01:25 PM

Tell me about it. I never went to Evergreen Mills during my initial playthough, because I didn't need to. Fawkes and I went and found the alien blaster, then laid waste to their whole fort. It was like an alien invasion, with me rocking the experimental Power armor. So much fun.

I was just wandering around and stumbled upon Evergreen Mills coming over a ridge.

I was scoping out the fort with my sniper rifle, planning an attack, when...wait, what is that? A super mutant behemoth in a cage. I sniped the cage's power supply, releasing the behemoth who pummeled all the raiders to death. It was hilarious to watch from above. A few sniper shots to the head later, and the behemoth was dead.

Banacek

11-24-2008, 01:40 PM

I was just wandering around and stumbled upon Evergreen Mills coming over a ridge.

I was scoping out the fort with my sniper rifle, planning an attack, when...wait, what is that? A super mutant behemoth in a cage. I sniped the cage's power supply, releasing the behemoth who pummeled all the raiders to death. It was hilarious to watch from above. A few sniper shots to the head later, and the behemoth was dead.

That's awesome. We took him head on. Fawkes is vicious with the laser Gatling gun. I love how he yells when you're about to go into battle, then laughs when it's over.

menage

11-24-2008, 03:56 PM

Well, I found Dogmeat after 3 weeks of play. He tagged along, but I lost him after 2 minutes and he got shot. Goodbye Dogmeat, I barely knew you.

Can't be bothered.

Wackman3000

11-24-2008, 04:02 PM

Vyzov

11-24-2008, 04:09 PM

You're crazy. There is NOTHING more rewarding then a slow motion shot of a mini nuke hitting a super mutant in the face, then getting treated to a mushroom cloud.

I'm not talking about shooting one mini nuke. I'm talking about the MIRV, it fires 8 mini nukes in a spread. It ends in tears.

Bone

11-24-2008, 04:35 PM

To you guys rolling aroudn with Fawkes, how did you get him?

when I went through the Vault and helped him he didn't want to join me, so I just killed him and took his special super sledge.

It doesn't bother me too much since I leave any "teammates" at my place, but I'm just curious as to what I did wrong/different.
I didn't ask him to join me inside the Vault- but after I was captured and my other companion was gone, Fawkes was able to join me outside the front door of the facility, just as it was self-destructing.

Rejuvenile

11-24-2008, 04:36 PM

To you guys rolling around with Fawkes, how did you get him?

This is what happened to me:

I was nice to him, he'll helped me get the GECK and then left. I thought I had screwed something up as well, but I let him go. Once I got out of Raven Rock, he was waiting there. I think he said he had a change of heart or something, but now he owes his life to you

Kelegacy

11-24-2008, 04:39 PM

Well, I found Dogmeat after 3 weeks of play. He tagged along, but I lost him after 2 minutes and he got shot. Goodbye Dogmeat, I barely knew you.

Can't be bothered.

Lots of people have commented on how they dislike Dogmeat or how easy it is for him to die, but I haven't had problems with him whatsoever. I only had him die once, and that was when I climbed some rubble to get to a dungeon entrance and knew he'd have some pathfinding issues. I left him there but when I came out after exploring around, I got the message he had died a few minutes later. I reloaded many times to come to his rescue in time, but it was hard. Finally I succeeded, he held off some Mirelurks just long enough for me to get there, heal in in the middle of the battle, and then help him kick some ass.

I didn't want to lose the little guy, he's been a great benefit to me. Most times he just distracts an enemy enough for me to wallop on them, but that's definitely a big benefit against certain enemies. He holds his own pretty well, too, and only has a rough time when cornered by multiple enemies. I've had him for about half my playtime after finding him by accident, and he's been a great companion. I periodically check to make sure he's still with me, just in case.

Banacek

11-24-2008, 05:27 PM

I'm not talking about shooting one mini nuke. I'm talking about the MIRV, it fires 8 mini nukes in a spread. It ends in tears.

Oh man, now I really need to play this again.

Banacek

11-24-2008, 05:30 PM

I didn't ask him to join me inside the Vault- but after I was captured and my other companion was gone, Fawkes was able to join me outside the front door of the facility, just as it was self-destructing.

That was one of my favorite scenes. Coming out to total warfare, and Fawkes just standing in the middle of it with that gun. I think I like him more than Dogmeat, which is saying a lot.

Bone

11-24-2008, 05:55 PM

Wackman3000

11-24-2008, 05:58 PM

He was just standing? When I found him he was blasting mutants and Enclave soldiers! He finished up and was like "Oh hai" as if he was just tending to some weeds in the garden. Yeah, Fawkes is my favorite character.

Damn, I guess I shouldn't have put that live frag grenade in his pocket after he helped me...

It's just the nature of my character being a scourge of humanity.

Crowe

11-24-2008, 06:04 PM

Banacek

11-24-2008, 06:10 PM

He was just standing? When I found him he was blasting mutants and Enclave soldiers! He finished up and was like "Oh hai" as if he was just tending to some weeds in the garden. Yeah, Fawkes is my favorite character.

Well, that's what I meant :) He was waging a one man war on the Enclave, and I was more than happy to join in.

Kelegacy

11-24-2008, 06:48 PM

I didn't realize the railgun could take heads off AND pin them to walls. When I saw this happen the first time, I was like, "HOLY AWESOME!!"

And it will carry that head, or body part, quite a long distance, too. I did it and I think the damn head traveled half a damn mile (okay, more like a length of a very long corridor) until I couldn't see it anymore. I ran ahead and found...the head...planted in the wall with a railspike in the forehead. Sweet.

I also had a moment today when I was escorting Cherry to Rivet City and she was between a raider and I. I knew it would be a close shot, but I entered VATS and fired off a round. Instantly I got the "BAD KARMA" notice, along with some experience for killing the raider. The bullet from the hunting rifle apparently went through her head, exploding it, but it continued to travel and took off the raider's as well.

Awesome little experiences like this help make this my game of the year easily.

Ink Asylum

11-24-2008, 06:51 PM

Damn, I guess I shouldn't have put that live frag grenade in his pocket after he helped me...

It's just the nature of my character being a scourge of humanity.

If you're an evil character then he won't join up with you when you exit the Enclave anyway.

Banacek

11-24-2008, 06:53 PM

I also had a moment today when I was escorting Cherry to Rivet City and she was between a raider and I. I knew it would be a close shot, but I entered VATS and fired off a round. Instantly I got the "BAD KARMA" notice, along with some experience for killing the raider. The bullet from the hunting rifle apparently went through her head, exploding it, but it continued to travel and took off the raider's as well.

Awesome little experiences like this help make this my game of the year easily.

Jesus, did you actually walk the entire distance for escort missions? I hate escorting missions so much I just fast tracked to the end location.

Banacek

11-24-2008, 06:53 PM

If you're an evil character then he won't join up with you when you exit the Enclave anyway.

See, I would never want to play evil then.

Kelegacy

11-24-2008, 06:56 PM

Jesus, did you actually walk the entire distance for escort missions? I hate escorting missions so much I just fast tracked to the end location.

I had never been to Rivet City, so I was SOL. I haven't been following the main story yet, so the southern part and central part of the map is where I've spent most of my time, sort of flaring out with Megaton as my hub.

I also was headed in that direction because I wanted the Intelligence Bobble Head. It will help with the skill points each level. That's the only thing I cheated on, looked it up online to find out where THAT bobble was, since it will do me little good to find it at level 20.

Banacek

11-24-2008, 07:02 PM

I had never been to Rivet City, so I was SOL. I haven't been following the main story yet, so the southern part and central part of the map is where I've spent most of my time, sort of flaring out with Megaton as my hub.

I also was headed in that direction because I wanted the Intelligence Bobble Head. It will help with the skill points each level. That's the only thing I cheated on, looked it up online to find out where THAT bobble was, since it will do me little good to find it at level 20.

Ah, that sucks. How was the escort AI? By the time I got the Bobbleheads I really didn't need them. Hopefully there is a way to turn off the level 20 limit. I would love to be able to play past that.

Kelegacy

11-24-2008, 07:34 PM

Ah, that sucks. How was the escort AI? By the time I got the Bobbleheads I really didn't need them. Hopefully there is a way to turn off the level 20 limit. I would love to be able to play past that.

She didn't die, if that's what you're asking. :)

She only seemed to get lost once so I reloaded (I save a lot). We also had to take a detour around some Super Mutant Brutes camped out in a building. Had to take many detours actually. She was weak as shit and didn't fight, just cowered. Dogmeat can handle himself, but she was a fragile whore. But she followed me well enough, as long as I wasn't going over rubble and other places that required me to jump.

All the mission got me was a bump in karma. Oh well, I was headed there anyway.

Sazime

11-24-2008, 07:42 PM

Wha? A MIRV? Seriously? Where?

carnage11

11-24-2008, 09:21 PM

Yeah, escort missions suck balls. The kid from Little Lamplight irritated the shit out of me. "Are we there yet? Huh? Huh?"

Especially since when you run into bad guys they completely ignore you and pound on your useless, weak, pussy of a tag along. I'm shooting you in the face with a combat shotgun and you won't even look at me?

So now....I fast travel. Most will fast travel with you, however, I did this with the slaves and it seriously took them like 2 days to get there. I had to keep waiting and waiting until they all finally showed up.

menage

11-25-2008, 02:44 AM

There is a console command to make Dogmeat stay with you forever. Just like Shadowmere in Oblivion, rather than dying forever her merely gets knocked unconcious and gets back up after a while.

setessential 6a772 1 Dogmeat is marked Essential (Unkillable)

I had absolutely no problem doing this and I'm surprised Bethesda didn't do this in the first place.

Shame that the 360 version doesn't support that. An unkillable dog would be a lot better than being constantly worried about her sorry ass. I mean, fuck, 2 minutes and she get's killed by a raider without me even having a chance to save her sorry ass. Bitch.

I guess Fables dog ruined every dog in a game from now on. That one was very well done.

Savok

11-25-2008, 04:06 AM

Dogmeat should be immortal, I mean shit he's been around this long...

Plus it's impossible to use explosives around him which is fair enough only can't call him off.

Kelegacy

11-25-2008, 04:59 AM

Dogmeat should be immortal, I mean shit he's been around this long...

Plus it's impossible to use explosives around him which is fair enough only can't call him off.

Yeah, he tends to get in the way a lot. And if I tell him to stay in one spot while I go scope out some enemies up ahead, if he sees them he'll go running off and attack.

I blew up a car once in a firefight and everyone died in the vicinity--there were like 10 cars and they all went up at the same time. I lived but I saw a gray shape go flying off through the sky for quite a distance. It was Dogmeat. Had to reload.

SilentScreams

11-25-2008, 05:15 AM

And to think everyone laughed at my Dog Armor DLC idea.

Jeffool

11-25-2008, 05:39 AM

I guess Fables dog ruined every dog in a game from now on. That one was very well done.I know this isn't exactly the place for this discussion, but I have to take issue. I didn't give a shit when Steve McQueen (my dog in Fable) died. That no one ever referenced him by name made it pointless to name him. In fact, almost no one referenced him at all, and his only purpose was the help me get potions/trinkets that I could buy a million times over. Blarg.That said, Dogmeat can be overly fragile. Would've been fine if they instituted a better stay/roam command for him.

menage

11-25-2008, 05:49 AM

The Fable dog did help you attack at times. And while I agree he was more or less a pathfinder it worked pretty well. Also, the way they animated him gave him a real personality which I find on par with Argo from Colossus. From what I've seen (admittedly from 5 minutes before it got killed), Dogmeat lacks that touch. Maybe it's because first person mode and a dog don't mix. But In Fable it felt right, here I couldn't care less, I just want to be on my own in these games. Not be a babysitter.

If he couldn't die that would be another story.

Virtual Machine

11-25-2008, 05:56 AM

Dogmeat has been pretty awesome for me. We took out a Raider detachment at some kind of arsenal last night.

Also came across the radio signal that lead me to the downed UFO, and grabbed myself an Alien blaster. Also FINALLY grabbed my power armor training (only 37 hours in). Is anyone else finding elements of this game downright creepy? Or am I just a wuss.

Rock Bandit

11-25-2008, 05:58 AM

Jeffool

11-25-2008, 06:02 AM

The Fable dog did help you attack at times. And while I agree he was more or less a pathfinder it worked pretty well. Also, the way they animated him gave him a real personality which I find on par with Argo from Colossus. ... But In Fable it felt right, here I couldn't care less, I just want to be on my own in these games. Not be a babysitter. Wow, then I guess I just really didn't get into Fable like that. I guess I just had the inverse opinion of the games (or at least the role of the dog in each) that you did. But hey, to each their own.

I guess I just wish Dogmeat wouldn't die unless it was 'my' fault. If the dog's a dummy, he's likely to die sooner rather than later, I'm not yet particularly him, and I expect it. Those three things don't do well for emotional attachment. But if he dies because I'm an idiot, then, well, I'd feel bad.

Narradisall

11-25-2008, 06:36 AM

I was a little upset when Dogmeat ran off and tried to take on two Deathclaws by himself but now I have Fawkes and every other NPC can go fuck themselves, I've got a Super Mutant manservant with a gatling laser.

Hah, I had the Paladin for ages, then when the story bit came up and you lose all your NPC's for a short while I fully intended first thing to go pick her and dogmeat up. Then outside the place as it was blowing up I met back up with Fawkes.

Thought he'd be handy till I got my paladin back.... then I saw him open up with the gatling lazer. Didn't leave my side since!

Shame he comes into the main story rather late.

Also, FUCK the final decision in the game for not letting me use Fawkes! I turned to him and said "YOU DO IT" and he gave me some crap about it being my path. What is the use of a super mutant manservant!

QueQueg

11-25-2008, 07:23 AM

I had the paladin for a good while until my d00d started doing all kinds of evil shit and she started giving me bad looks.

Look lady, you can't control Killroy Jenkins. That's like trying to control a tiger. So I sent her ass packing and picked up Jericho from Megaton. He's as nasty as Killroy.

QueQueg

11-25-2008, 07:28 AM

On a semi-related issue, I absolutely love this game. I've played through the Tenpenny Tower quest in every possible combination, on like 4 different dudes. I love how varied the outcomes can be. That one quest has 3 or 4 outcomes. The replay value of this game is simply amazing.

Virtual Machine

11-25-2008, 08:58 AM

Game of the year, hands down. Game of last year too, and probably next year!

menage

11-25-2008, 09:07 AM

Game of the year, hands down. Game of last year too, and probably next year! I agree with post!:D

Bone

11-25-2008, 09:16 AM

Last night I discovered the alien craft. I love that even though its existence was spoiled for me, I still totally felt the thrill of discovery when I got an odd radio transmission and made my way to the highly irradiated site. Dogmeat was really nervous about the whole alien craft thing and kept growling at it.

I also came upon a clifftop settlement of mutants with slaves. I killed the mutants, and then, remembering I was evil, freed the slaves from their mortal coils. Actually, I was planning on leaving one tied up, but the brahmin went mad and mauled him to death.

Finally I ran into Oasis completely randomly while checking out the mountain crags. This was the first time in 5 hours that I referred to the Wiki, because I remember hearing of many different perks/rewards for the Herbert quest. It made me realize how unlike other games this was, where I often keep a Wiki or walkthrough open the entire time. I spent an entire night purposely avoiding quests, and came upon awesome stuff I hadn't seen in the previous play through.

QueQueg

11-25-2008, 09:24 AM

On my neutral character (Acura Prelude, a japanese guy) I discovered the Outcasts for the first time. I'm super thrilled to actually be able to get something useful for all those sensor modules I keep finding all over the place. A weird thing though: every time I'd leave their base, if I walked SW, the game would crash. It did it like 5 times. I could walk any other direction for a few minutes, no problem, but if I left to the South West, it would crash. Eventually I rebooted my system, and then it was fine. Super weird.

Hotcod

11-25-2008, 09:25 AM

one word.

MODS!

JayK47

11-25-2008, 04:03 PM

It looks like we will be getting DLC soon. Three offers noted so far.
Fallout 3 DLC (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6201670.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1)

Bone

11-25-2008, 04:15 PM

Holy crap, I want them all. Keep 'em coming, flesh it all out. It's so rare that I replay an RPG, and I can already tell I'll finish this one at least 4 times.

Variable Gear

11-25-2008, 05:19 PM

The game economy makes no sense to me. I was running around with under ten stimpacks for the past few levels, but now I've got over one hundred of the things. What the fuck?

Bone

11-25-2008, 05:28 PM

Economy? It's a Wasteland! Finders keepers.

Variable Gear

11-25-2008, 05:30 PM

Economy? It's a Wasteland! Finders keepers.
I'm talking about the traders, mostly. Picking random stuff off the ground does not enter into my definition of the word economy.

carnage11

11-25-2008, 05:33 PM

I've got like 3000+ caps and nothing to spend it on. I just sell mines. Mines. Mines and guns that I don't use. What can I spend all my caps on?! I already bought the stuff for my house. Anything you find in loot is better than anything you can buy. I get stimpacks from scrap metal and other useless junk. I wish it was like that in real life. :(

Actually most of my money is spent on repairing weapons. Though most people can't repair it up to more than 50%. Is there anyone in the Wasteland that can repair stuff more?

Bone

11-25-2008, 05:37 PM

I'm talking about the traders, mostly. Picking random stuff off the ground does not enter into my definition of the word economy.Huh. The way I see it, the traders are selling whatever the last guy picked up and sold. The money is bottle caps. Everything on the ground IS the economy. The attached value comes from how hard it is to survive picking the stuff up off the ground in that area.

But I know what you mean, in the beginning I found it hard to stay in stimpacks and 10mm ammo- by the end, I had more of those than I could use. Sometimes though, it makes you adjust your play style. Someone mentioned that they never used stimpacks- only beds- and I've switched to that method. Another great method is hanging on to all your Radaways and RadX, then using water fountains, sinks, and toilets for health.

Variable Gear

11-25-2008, 05:39 PM

This playthrough I've used over 300 stimpacks, so that could be part of the problem. :o

Bone

11-25-2008, 05:40 PM

I was a stimpack fiend, I know exactly what you're going through! But this second playthrough, I decided to tackle some more difficult areas much earlier, and it's impossible to stock enough stimpacks to take on Mirelurks and Super Mutants at level 4. So I've had to become more stealthy and sometimes actually run away :)

Variable Gear

11-25-2008, 05:52 PM

That's my problem! I rarely run away. On this playthrough I'm a lot more confident, which has resulted in many more Stimpack uses and unnecessary deaths. Still, that means that I got access to some of the cooler toys earlier on, such as Lincoln's Repeater. Man, that gun is amazing. :)

Seika

11-25-2008, 08:32 PM

Anyone else get dogmeat popping up out of nowhere during missions?

I was doing the main quest, and I had left dogmeat at my home in Megaton beforehand. When I was fighting the Regulators in the tunnels, I get the message "Dogmeat has died", I was like wtf!, look around me, and yup, he was dead next to a wall...

I reloaded the game, and he some-how appeared when I entered a new area of the tunnels. :confused:

JayK47

11-25-2008, 09:34 PM

I'll try to use stimpacks as a last resort. I now pick up all nuke colas and turn them into ice nuke colas which give 24 health. Then whatever animal meat I pick as well. Answer me this, how can a cannibal me neutral? I figured for sure being a cannibal would keep me evil. I guess I helped out too many slaves. Ended up getting the neutral achievement at level 20. Well I thought that one would be the hardest to get. I guess my next play though, I'll have to side with slavers. God, I don't know if I can. And this coming from the guy who had no problem harvesting little sisters. Perhaps that is because I was not immersed in Bioshock. However, I actually feel for the characters in Fallout 3.

Variable Gear

11-25-2008, 09:44 PM

It's strange, because I am often immersed in a game's universe, but I feel no remorse in Fallout 3. I kill anyone that I can, minus a few traders, and I take all the cool shit they have. I even kill the guys asking for water. I used to save the wastelanders captured by Super Mutants, then shoot them in the back, but I didn't consider the impact of the positive karma. Because of this, and other, unrelated stuff, I didn't get two of the evil achievements. Now I just kill most people where they stand, and I curse the times when they rise up after being "unconscious."

jpublic

11-25-2008, 11:54 PM

The game economy makes no sense to me. I was running around with under ten stimpacks for the past few levels, but now I've got over one hundred of the things. What the fuck?

I ran into the same stage the moment I decided to 'clear the map'. I all of a sudden went from running out of money and stimpacks to more caps, stims, radaway, and rad-x then I ever needed.

Anyone else get dogmeat popping up out of nowhere during missions?

I was doing the main quest, and I had left dogmeat at my home in Megaton beforehand. When I was fighting the Regulators in the tunnels, I get the message "Dogmeat has died", I was like wtf!, look around me, and yup, he was dead next to a wall...

I reloaded the game, and he some-how appeared when I entered a new area of the tunnels. :confused:

I had that dog show up at the strangest times, including:

.In the middle of the Enclave Base during the breakout.
.As soon as I left rivet city.
.In the middle of DC.

That mutt is the best tracker *ever*.

Soap

11-26-2008, 12:19 AM

Actually most of my money is spent on repairing weapons. Though most people can't repair it up to more than 50%. Is there anyone in the Wasteland that can repair stuff more?

You can "invest" in the traders which will boost their inventory and repair skills. I believe at one point, I invested over 500 caps, which caused the repair percentage to jump up to 74%. Other than that, I would recommend boosting your repair skill to 100 as soon as you can. Not having to run to Moira to fix my shit is a godsend. The only caveat for repairing stuff your self is that you have to have 2 of the same type weapon to repair. But the nice thing is that many "named" guns (Lincoln Repeater, and Prime's assault rifle) can be repaired with other weapons (hunting rifle and chinese assault rifle for the above)

Gwinny

11-26-2008, 02:18 AM

So, I finally spoiled the ending for myself... sucks to *that*. I think instead of actually finishing the main quest I'm going to recruit Butch, imprison him in my grody Megaton flat, and claim that as my happily ever after.

Kelegacy

11-26-2008, 08:19 AM

The game economy makes no sense to me. I was running around with under ten stimpacks for the past few levels, but now I've got over one hundred of the things. What the fuck?

Yeah, I have like 120 of them, level 12 or so I think.

TheFlyingOrc

11-26-2008, 08:21 AM

Actually most of my money is spent on repairing weapons. Though most people can't repair it up to more than 50%. Is there anyone in the Wasteland that can repair stuff more?
Probably yourself. You're aware that you can repair things as long as you have a similar item in your inventory, right?

Kelegacy

11-26-2008, 08:22 AM

Ended up getting the neutral achievement at level 20. Well I thought that one would be the hardest to get. I guess my next play though, I'll have to side with slavers.

I got both the Good and Neutral achievements for level 8 and I'm only on my first playthrough. I got the neutral one naturally, but I reloaded to JUST before my level up and did a bunch of good stuff (like trading in scrap metal). Got good karma, so I leveled up.

I'm going to try to keep doing that for every tier, to get the achievements. I missed Evil of course, but before I hit my next level achievement I'm going to try to get all three.

President Fred

11-26-2008, 08:26 AM

Soap

11-26-2008, 10:59 AM

I'm a bit late to the party because of work but this game is fantastic. Level 7 at the moment and I'm really enjoying it, but is there a cap on level 20? Why didn't they go with TES system where you could become godlike if you just played enough?

There is a cap at level 20. If you've chosen the perk that gives you 10% exp bonus, I'd go back to an earlier save. There's really no rush to max out your character at all. I hope with the upcoming DLC they raise the cap because I really want to play around with more PERKS.

JayK47

11-26-2008, 03:11 PM

What can be used to repair special sets of armor like the Ranger Armor or the Armored 101 Suit?

Morangie

11-26-2008, 04:02 PM

What can be used to repair special sets of armor like the Ranger Armor or the Armored 101 Suit?

The Ranger Armour is just special Combat Armour, so you can use that. I never found anything that could be used on the 101 suit.

jpublic

11-26-2008, 05:36 PM

The Ranger Armour is just special Combat Armour, so you can use that. I never found anything that could be used on the 101 suit.

I'd recommend trying other Vault Suits, perhaps?

How about the Power Armors? I ahd the T-51 and Medic armor I couldn't figure out how to fix.

Lance Uppercut

11-26-2008, 08:16 PM

The sniper rifle in this game is bullshit. I have 100 in Small Guns, but I can't hit anything that's already dead center in my crosshairs. I have better luck sniping with the hunting rifle...

nnanji

11-26-2008, 08:28 PM

The sniper rifle in this game is bullshit. I have 100 in Small Guns, but I can't hit anything that's already dead center in my crosshairs. I have better luck sniping with the hunting rifle...

I thought the same thing, and then yesterday I was told that Big Guns covers the sniper rifle.

KingGorilla

11-26-2008, 08:49 PM

That is an odd holdover. In the first Fallout it made no sense that the Sniper Rifle, the logical upgrade of the Hunting Rifle(small guns) was considered a big gun.

jpublic

11-26-2008, 08:51 PM

Seriously? It's a big gun? MAN, no wonder.

Lance Uppercut

11-26-2008, 09:11 PM

Are you serious?

Well, shit.

Kelegacy

11-26-2008, 09:14 PM

I didn't realize that either. Well, that's going back in my weapon cabinet. Hunting rifle it is, I guess.

biosc1

11-26-2008, 09:55 PM

Well, that explains that...I had retired my sniper rifle to a table in my house because I couldn't hit anything with it.

VerseD

11-26-2008, 10:31 PM

I think the sniper rifle is a small gun. The icon for it on hotbar assignment is the same as other small guns. The only big guns are the gatling gun, flamer, and fat boy launcher.

Banacek

11-26-2008, 11:49 PM

I think the sniper rifle is a small gun. The icon for it on hotbar assignment is the same as other small guns. The only big guns are the gatling gun, flamer, and fat boy launcher.

I think it's a bug. My small guns was at 100 and it didn't seem to make a difference with the sniper rifle.

tacitus

11-26-2008, 11:56 PM

I thought the same thing, and then yesterday I was told that Big Guns covers the sniper rifle.
Well...thats confusing, it would have been really nice if they told you which gun belongs to which skill in the game. The strategy guide does say the sniper rifle is small guns. And it would be good it this sort of bug would get fixed.

carnage11

11-27-2008, 01:00 AM

No, I'm pretty sure the Sniper Rifle is classified as a small gun. It helps to get the perks associated with it. (ie. Commando, Sniper, Concentrated Fire, and Better Criticals) I've also heard that the Sniper Rifle is more powerful when used outside of V.A.T.S. I guess V.A.T.S. doesn't take into account accuracy bonuses of the weapon's scope, though, the aforementioned perks specifically help with V.A.T.S.

crazyD

11-27-2008, 03:13 AM

If the sniper rifle is a small gun, then it is a lame one, as I do shit damage and have no accuracy with 100 in small guns. I always assumed it was a big gun.

CES

11-27-2008, 03:57 AM

The sniper rifle in this game is bullshit. I have 100 in Small Guns, but I can't hit anything that's already dead center in my crosshairs. I have better luck sniping with the hunting rifle...

There's a mod out there that rebalances the sniper so it has more than a 5 yard range.

Sniper mod. (http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=734)

Vyzov

11-27-2008, 04:16 AM

I think the sniper rifle is a small gun. The icon for it on hotbar assignment is the same as other small guns. The only big guns are the gatling gun, flamer, and fat boy launcher.

Also, the Missle Launcher and the Rock-It Launcher.

Vyzov

11-27-2008, 04:18 AM

I'm a bit late to the party because of work but this game is fantastic. Level 7 at the moment and I'm really enjoying it, but is there a cap on level 20? Why didn't they go with TES system where you could become godlike if you just played enough?

You pretty much DO become godlike anyways. I'm only level... 11, I believe, and the only things that pose even the slightest threat to me are large groups of enclave soldiers, or large groups of deathclaws. By "poses a threat" I mean "doesn't die in 1 hit."

Sergeant RL-3 is hilarious.

menage

11-27-2008, 04:22 AM

You pretty much DO become godlike anyways. I'm only level... 11, I believe, and the only things that pose even the slightest threat to me are large groups of enclave soldiers, or large groups of deathclaws. By "poses a threat" I mean "doesn't die in 1 hit."

Sergeant RL-3 is hilarious.

Sjeez

I'm level 15 and haven't even seen an enclave soldier or deathclaw yet:p

nnanji

11-27-2008, 06:22 AM

Well...thats confusing, it would have been really nice if they told you which gun belongs to which skill in the game. The strategy guide does say the sniper rifle is small guns. And it would be good it this sort of bug would get fixed.

*shrugs* I was confused too. Still am, after all the negative responses here. But my friend swears that bumping up his Big Guns skill improved his sinping. He also said that he takes shots outside of VATS mode, so maybe that's the key: the sniper rifle is supposed to be used in real time, like carnage said.

Virtual Machine

11-27-2008, 07:31 AM

I've been using my sniper rifle pretty regular and have found it extremely useful from long distances. Just line up my shot and blammo - strawberry jam and gristle everywhere.
I can easily one hit raiders and super mutants. And protetctrons and Robobrains don't take long to go down. Yao-Gui's and Deathclaws are a different story - put it away and get ready to be bum rushed.

SilentScreams

11-27-2008, 08:04 AM

I find the Sniper Rifle to be really powerful. Maybe it's that I don't rely on VATs with it.
It's my weapon of choice for long range fights anyway.
And no, I don't have any Big Guns skill. I have about 80 Small Guns and the Commando perk.

crazyD

11-27-2008, 08:21 AM

I was using the sniper rifle without VATs for a while, but I found the scoped magnum to be far more effective. I can zoom in and one-shot Super Mutant Brutes, no problem. I even took out a behemoth in 4, without it noticing me.

JayK47

11-27-2008, 08:40 AM

I've hit some long distance targets using the sniper rifle in VATS. I tend not to use it much since I already have a hunting rifle at the ready and can hit targets over 100 yards easy with that. I have the custom hunting rifle, and I can shoot that all day and it barely dents its condition. The sniper rifle however, seems to go down noticeably with each shot. If I use the sniper rifle on a few groups of enemies, it is down 50% it seems. And sniper rifles are rare to find for repairs. It just doesn't seem like a reliable weapon in the wastelands.

Wackman3000

11-27-2008, 08:49 AM

Lance Uppercut

11-27-2008, 09:22 AM

I don't use VATs to aim my sniper rifle. I can be dead on, with the target not moving, and I still won't hit him.

I'm going back to my .44.

TrackZero

11-27-2008, 09:31 AM

As a small arms expert with a few of the perks related to small arms and 2 handed weapons, I can say that my custom sniper rifle hits targets with ease.

My problem is I carry around way too many weapons, but I like having multiple options for when I have to make crimson fountains flow.

Ditto, I have 100 small arms and many of the other sniper/VATS perks. My sniper rifle fires perfectly straight now, I don't need to use VATS at all for it (or really any other gun for that matter) unless I feel like it.

KingGorilla

11-27-2008, 09:52 AM

One thing I never managed to find, which made me sad, was the long range laser sniper rifle. Did it just not make it into the game?

Wackman3000

11-27-2008, 11:35 AM

I just went to Big Town to get all my stuff repaired, then to rob the repair man like I always do but when I quick traveled there it had been raided by super mutants and now everyone is dead...

This happen to anyone else?

edit: Where/who do you get to repair your stuff? The merchants is a no go for me since I killed them all during my travels before I found out about how much more useful that could have been to me had I invested in them rather than slitting their throats. I'm looking for a place to repair my Power Armor.

Superman's Dead

11-27-2008, 11:57 AM

biosc1

11-27-2008, 12:10 PM

Virtual Machine

11-27-2008, 01:39 PM

I just did the Trouble on the Homefront Quest, it was damned awesome.

Also, Enclave Power armor looks mean as hell.

I think i'm going to roam a while, try and track down/build a few of the custom and unique weapons. Really want a Sishkebab.

carnage11

11-27-2008, 02:23 PM

If you haven't been to Fort Constantine, I would highly suggest it. There's some VERY powerful Power Armor there. I think it has something like 50 DR, which is like twice or more of what regular Power Armor is. Also, the Power Armor you get from the tree dude at Oasis is pretty sweet as well.

In order to get to Fort Constantine, you have to complete the You gotta shoot 'em in the head mission. You need 3 keys from people all around the Wasteland in order to get in.

I had a question to anyone who's completed the game with good karma. Is there anyway to complete Strictly Business and not get bad karma?

Superman's Dead

11-27-2008, 02:29 PM

I had a question to anyone who's completed the game with good karma. Is there anyway to complete Strictly Business and not get bad karma?

Just did a quick search to see if I did it, and in the walkthrough there's a disclaimer that says nope. =/

Just say radiation drove you crazy. =)

Banacek

11-27-2008, 02:39 PM

I had a question to anyone who's completed the game with good karma. Is there anyway to complete Strictly Business and not get bad karma?

EDIT: nevermind :) I didn't finish that quest because of the karma.

Virtual Machine

11-27-2008, 03:57 PM

Wackman3000

11-27-2008, 04:00 PM

So no one got a suggestion on where to get power armor repaired? It sucks that my T-51B armor is in such rough shape and I can't fix it with any of the other power armors.

Variable Gear

11-27-2008, 04:42 PM

After watching this video (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/42026.html?type=flv), I wanted to remind everyone about this spolieriffic possibility involving President Eden.

You can make him self-destruct if your Charisma stat is high enough.

crazyD

11-27-2008, 05:18 PM

Savok

11-27-2008, 07:07 PM

You can use a high enough Science skill failing that.

tacitus

11-27-2008, 07:44 PM

So no one got a suggestion on where to get power armor repaired? It sucks that my T-51B armor is in such rough shape and I can't fix it with any of the other power armors.
I have not yet had trouble getting anything repaired at any of the many vendors; also if you want to get it repaired to a higher level you can invest in the wandering vendors at cantebury commons. I think you can get one of the wandering merchants up to 85.

Lance Uppercut

11-27-2008, 09:19 PM

I have not yet had trouble getting anything repaired at any of the many vendors; also if you want to get it repaired to a higher level you can invest in the wandering vendors at cantebury commons. I think you can get one of the wandering merchants up to 85.

He's killed all of the merchants, if I remember correctly.

He's shit out of luck, in that case.

jpublic

11-27-2008, 10:46 PM

I think we should try to work out a 'best order' for the game, so that good or bad you can basically twink things to the best. Anyone want to make a first stab?

Scaryfaced

11-28-2008, 12:41 AM

I actually killed Crowley while he was jogging across the wasteland because i didn't want to have to follow the bastard all the way to Fort Constantine,then i realized that i don't have Constantine on my map. I'll find it... eventually.

Fort Constantine's in the North West corner of the map, more north than west. Walk around enough and you'll find it. I decided to follow Crowley and it was a horrible, horrible mistakes. Following an NPC across the damn map is never a good idea.
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Virtual Machine

11-28-2008, 06:21 AM

Fort Constantine's in the North West corner of the map, more north than west. Walk around enough and you'll find it. I decided to follow Crowley and it was a horrible, horrible mistakes. Following an NPC across the damn map is never a good idea.

Way to pad out your playtime ;)

I crossed the 40 hours threshold yesterday, and stumbled onto Constantine completely by accident (well, maybe partially by accident). I hadn't really spent much time in the Northwest, as in my map was a barren mass of nothing west of Vault 101 and North of Evergreen Mills.

Got my T-51b suit, and ran into my first Enclave Patrol. Why do you think these guys would be caging up Deathclaws?

My next "main mission" is going through Little Lamplight to find a way into Vault 87 (i think it was) to get a GECK. From what i understand, i only have one side quest left (Strictly Business, which i'll probably avoid so's not to take the Karma hit) and i'm working on "The Nuka Cola-Challenge".

I think my time may be getting short - and that really saddens me.

Also, Dogmeat seems to have vanished, which really saddens me.

AboveAvgCharles

11-28-2008, 06:33 AM

Wackman3000

11-28-2008, 09:22 AM

I've racked up 72 hours of gameplay so far, and still haven't completed the main quest line. Getting close, though, so I'm making sure I get everything else taken care of first.

Speaking of Crowley, I gave him the keys without realizing they were for Fort Constantine. He's gone now. Is there any way I can catch up with him again so as to get the keys back?

Also, if you give Mister Crowley all 3 of the keys, he will run to Fort Constantine. Later he MAY return with all 3 keys and the T-51b Power Armor, along with some other odds and ends, but only if he survives the trip out into the wasteland. This makes it so you don't even have to travel to Fort Constantine if you don't want to. So if you happen to have the Mister Sandman perk you can kill him without attracting any attention from the rest of Underworld. Now you have your armor and the keys! The only risk is that when most NPCs venture out into the wasteland, they don't survive random encounters with the wildlife, so if he is killed on his way to Fort Constantine, then you've lost the keys and the armor.

Hotcod

11-28-2008, 01:01 PM

i just went on a rampage though rivet city... i think almost every one who can die is dead...

Kelegacy

11-28-2008, 01:12 PM

EternalGamer

11-28-2008, 01:14 PM

Why do you guys purge towns of inhabitants and kill traveling merchants? Are you really that bloodthirsty? I think even truly evil people wouldn't do THAT.

I wonder if this is an outlet so you don't ever hurt people in real life.

It's the equivalent of blowing up plastic GI Joe figures. Only the NPCs in Bethesda's games seem a lot more plastic and fake than action figures. ;)

Scaryfaced

11-28-2008, 01:22 PM

You don't think a murderous, town nuking, flesh eating, theiving, lying, heartless slaver would kill a few worthless survivors sealed up in a rusted boat? I respectfully disagree.
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Banacek

11-28-2008, 01:33 PM

Wolvie

11-28-2008, 01:34 PM

Why do you guys purge towns of inhabitants and kill traveling merchants? Are you really that bloodthirsty? I think even truly evil people wouldn't do THAT.

I wonder if this is an outlet so you don't ever hurt people in real life.

Nah, it's like playing pretend when you were a kid. Only the pretend games we play have gotten more mature as we age. Also, options like this are given so people have a choice. And in games like this, morality comes into play for a purpose.
Some people like you wouldn't do something evil because your moral bearings tell you to help, not hurt. You treat a fantasy situation like real life, and do things like you would in real life.
While others shrug, treat this game like playing with action figures in a sand box, and start pretend killing their toys. It's not a sign of a sick mind, just a mischievous one.

Deadend

11-28-2008, 01:40 PM

Variable Gear

11-28-2008, 01:44 PM

Why do you guys purge towns of inhabitants and kill traveling merchants? Are you really that bloodthirsty? I think even truly evil people wouldn't do THAT.

I wonder if this is an outlet so you don't ever hurt people in real life.
Games are a playground built for the user. Their experiences are valid and don't need to be legitimized by any third party.

Hotcod

11-28-2008, 01:46 PM

Why do you guys purge towns of inhabitants and kill traveling merchants? Are you really that bloodthirsty? I think even truly evil people wouldn't do THAT.

I wonder if this is an outlet so you don't ever hurt people in real life.

i played the game as amazingly good so now i'm playing the game as amazingly bad when i no longer have any real use for a npc or a town as a whole i'll kill them and take there stuff. The wasteland is MINE now i will use you then take everything you have including your life.

There is something strangely satisfying about killing those people that you spent your last game running around doing everything for... the first play though i couldn't do anything evil at all with out feeling really bad about it... which is always the same for me in these types of game but on a 2nd play through i like to see the opposite and the content i missed and it gives me a reason to be evil. So i get over my normal reaction to do the right thing beacuse i want to see the stuff in the game i've missed

As for killing every one... given there isn't a choice to take over towns and rule with an iron fist there isn't much recourse other than an out right slaughter. So it's not the best thing for my character but she's frankly insane so it fits. Let's just say shes running around as slaver with Lincoln's hat on heh

DarkDay

11-28-2008, 01:49 PM

I have 2 mini nukes, been saving them but now I know not too, question though, how the hell do I launch em? I have a missile launcher..

Hotcod

11-28-2008, 01:51 PM

Have fun repairing rare armor! :)

oh forgot to add that to my last post... i did the whole 'use the right armour for the right thing and pick the best stats and keep everything repaired' which is fun in it's own way but there's something to be said for running around in the most fun looking stuff being silly

Scaryfaced

11-28-2008, 02:05 PM

I have 2 mini nukes, been saving them but now I know not too, question though, how the hell do I launch em? I have a missile launcher..

You'll need to find yourself a Fat Man. They pop up in several locations, so I'm sure you'll come across one eventually. I have something like 13 mini nukes saved up and doubt I'll ever use them.

Its funny how hard it can be to be evil sometimes. I decided to be as evil as possible from the very beginning, even going so far to shoot my dad in the ass with my first BB gun, but I still end up with good karma from time to time. It's a serious challenge to be evil ALL the time. I get a laugh out of the change in thinking when you get into playing an evil character. My first reaction upon finding the Nuka Cola collection quest was to kill both the girl and her bodyguard in their sleep and attempt to steal the prize. It didn't work, but it was a little telling about the change in mindset when you commit yourself to a role.

Next time, I'm playing a charismatic, greedy Energy weapons expert and see if I can't stay neutral the entire game.
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Wolvie

11-28-2008, 02:12 PM

I scare me when I play. As I seem to be really nice to people... but sometimes, I just fucking shoot someone and steal their shit, or take everything that is worth money from them.

I also despise Mirelurks, they are really fucking hard to kill compared to other things I fight.

Yeah, I pretty much react to things in games and do what I feel is right... for me. My wife divorced me in Fable II, so I blew her head off. Seemed fair to me. :D

Kelegacy

11-28-2008, 02:40 PM

Games are a playground built for the user. Their experiences are valid and don't need to be legitimized by any third party.

I was not criticizing his playthrough. Of course people are allowed to play however they wish--it's a sandbox game. Your comment made you sound like Kamalot for a moment there, like I'm trying to undermine someone's fun by playing dictator to someone else's game interests. That's not the case.

I was seriously curious, since it almost makes your life harder if you go on killing innocent people that can help you in the game and serves really no purpose whatsoever. But that's the beauty of the sandbox--you can do whatever you wish. It's escapism at its best.

Kelegacy

11-28-2008, 02:42 PM

You'll need to find yourself a Fat Man. They pop up in several locations, so I'm sure you'll come across one eventually. I have something like 13 mini nukes saved up and doubt I'll ever use them.

Its funny how hard it can be to be evil sometimes. I decided to be as evil as possible from the very beginning, even going so far to shoot my dad in the ass with my first BB gun, but I still end up with good karma from time to time. It's a serious challenge to be evil ALL the time. I get a laugh out of the change in thinking when you get into playing an evil character. My first reaction upon finding the Nuka Cola collection quest was to kill both the girl and her bodyguard in their sleep and attempt to steal the prize. It didn't work, but it was a little telling about the change in mindset when you commit yourself to a role.

Next time, I'm playing a charismatic, greedy Energy weapons expert and see if I can't stay neutral the entire game.

You come across a fatman in the main story line early on. It's an item placed there for you to help complete a mission--the game even prompts you to grab it.

Variable Gear

11-28-2008, 02:47 PM

Murtaug

11-28-2008, 02:59 PM

I can not finish this game.

Not because of difficulty or game ending bugs; just because I can not stop exploring. I have about forty hours into the game now, around seventy locations discovered, and I am maybe forty percent through the main quest - that is just a guess on my part, I have avoided reading much on the main quest.

Such a great game. Everything I expected, wanted, and more.

Banacek

11-28-2008, 03:22 PM

You come across a fatman in the main story line early on. It's an item placed there for you to help complete a mission--the game even prompts you to grab it.

Really? What part? I totally missed that.

Scaryfaced

11-28-2008, 03:36 PM

Really? What part? I totally missed that.

Your first meeting with a Behemoth, if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure a BoS soldier drops it as you find the GNR building. I remember picking it up, attempting a VATS shot with it and missing horribly, wasting the only mini nuke I was carrying.:o
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Kelegacy

11-28-2008, 03:41 PM

Really? What part? I totally missed that.

On your way to Galaxy Radio for the first time (Following in His Footsteps). Before you even get inside the building. You know, that assault that goes on, and then the BIG fight. The game put a message on my screen in the mission objectives to grab the Fat Boy from the downed Brother and use it to kill the ____.

I didn't need to do it since everyone was fighting great (and many of those characters cannot die anyway), but I got experience for it by doing so.

biosc1

11-28-2008, 03:41 PM

I can not finish this game.

Not because of difficulty or game ending bugs; just because I can not stop exploring.

Yah...I'm on the last chapter of Moira's book and I was heading to the quest location when I saw a town out of the corner of my eye, so I ended up exploring and spending a very quick hour heading in the opposite direction in which I was supposed to be going.

That's what I find amazing about this game. I sit down, going "I'm just going to play an hour", but when that hour is up, you feel like you barely scratched the surface of what you wanted to do. This game makes up for all the money I wasted on crappy games...this game is worth so much more than I paid for it :)

Hotcod

11-28-2008, 03:45 PM

I was seriously curious, since it almost makes your life harder if you go on killing innocent people that can help you in the game and serves really no purpose whatsoever. But that's the beauty of the sandbox--you can do whatever you wish. It's escapism at its best.

what difficultly setting are you playing the game on? if it's anything other than easy then why are you making the game harder for your self? i hope by putting it like that you'll realise that the question "why make the game harder for your self than it has to be" is a bit of a silly one really.

For me the simple answer to the question is that i'm having fun doing what i'm doing and if it makes it harder well i finished the game on medium already and it was easy as hell anyway... i don't really care if i can't fully fix up some random stuff... i mean my last guy was using ranger combat armour and xenlgon (or how every you spell it) rifle and the repeater... all stuff i could easily fix up to 100% on my own. So even if i killed every traders (which i won't, i like the slavers) i wouldn't be screwed if making the game a bit "harder" was something i was concerned about.

So ya like you said it's the joy of sandbox :)

jpublic

11-28-2008, 07:31 PM

Re: Crowley

Also, if you give Mister Crowley all 3 of the keys, he will run to Fort Constantine. Later he MAY return with all 3 keys and the T-51b Power Armor, along with some other odds and ends, but only if he survives the trip out into the wasteland. This makes it so you don't even have to travel to Fort Constantine if you don't want to. So if you happen to have the Mister Sandman perk you can kill him without attracting any attention from the rest of Underworld. Now you have your armor and the keys! The only risk is that when most NPCs venture out into the wasteland, they don't survive random encounters with the wildlife, so if he is killed on his way to Fort Constantine, then you've lost the keys and the armor.

Crowley is actually considered a 'bad' person, so you can kill him pretty freely. I let him walk out of Underworld into the museum, and iced him before he left the building. No one cared, I got a finger for my collection.

Banacek

11-28-2008, 07:35 PM

On your way to Galaxy Radio for the first time (Following in His Footsteps). Before you even get inside the building. You know, that assault that goes on, and then the BIG fight. The game put a message on my screen in the mission objectives to grab the Fat Boy from the downed Brother and use it to kill the ____.

I didn't need to do it since everyone was fighting great (and many of those characters cannot die anyway), but I got experience for it by doing so.

That's what happened to my friend, but I swear it didn't happen for me. I found my first Fat Boy at the end of a Deathclaw lair. I thought it was something really special.

Church42

11-28-2008, 08:25 PM

I can't remember where I got my 1st Fat Boy, but I know I skipped part of the main quest and discovered Rivet City & the Dr there before I went to GNR radio...oh well...when I did get to GNR radio, I did have to fight that Behemoth...thank god for bottlecap mines (plus I did pick up a bunch of power armor for repairing use later).

The one thing that sucks so far is that the Regulator you turn the fingers into ran off one night as giant radscorpions attacked some of the cows outside the HQ...haven't seen her since.

As for enemies, I despise the giant radscorpions...Yao Guai and Deathclaws aren't so bad if you have the bottlecap mines to blow 'em up with before they get in your face.