Nintendo: Good Luck Finding Wii Hardware This Holiday

[DoctorFinger]

Nintendo has a warning for those of you looking to grab a Wii for that special someone this holiday season: buy now or else. The Big N is, once again, warning about the possibility of Wii hardware shortages this holiday season. Which you will note is the third holiday season for the system, of which the previous two were plagued by shortages. Now it's not that Nintendo isn't trying to alleviate the problem. SO speaketh Reggie: "We're now producing 2.4 million units a month worldwide. Last year, we made 1.6 million a month. So we've made a 33% increase," How bad is the situation already? I went ahead and checked some of the major online retailers. Amazon, Best Buy, Circuit City, Wal-Mart, Sears, K-Mart & Gamestop are already all sold out of Wii Hardware. Newegg & Target only sell the system in bundles beginning at $400. And we're still about 2 months out from Christmas.

Calls to my local retailers all returned the same answer: we're out of Wiis. The manager of a local Gamestop - which is one of the top performers in the chain in most metrics - told me that they get shipments in regularly, but in almost every instance they've sold through that stock within 24 hours. Corporate officials have told him that he should have consoles for Black Friday, but at this point they cannot guarantee that he'll see any more shipments after that until the new year.

Source - CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=200302).

[bapenguin]

I wonder what the ratio is of sales and sales to scalpers.

[Young Al Capone]

This is ridiculous, this is the third year that it has been available at Christmas and the third year where it was basically impossible to find. When I bought mine earlier this year I had to have my EB manager friend just set one aside for me. I understand that opening up more production plants isn't exactly prudent, being that the demand can only last so long, but WTF?

[biosc1]

So....another year to buy a Wii and sell it on eBay? :D

[pheriannath]

Man, I'd be tempted to sell my Wii if there weren't still a few games coming up that I want to play on it.

[Morratut]

Why is the Wii so popular?

You should be buying a 360 or PS3!!!!

[DoctorFinger]

For reference you can grab a Wii Bundle (the system, WiiPlay & a Nunchuck) on eBay (http://video-games.shop.ebay.com/items/Systems__W0QQPlatform7397cc93ZNintendoWiif813746cQ Q_catrefZ1QQ_dmptZVideoQ5fGamesQQ_flnZ1QQ_sacatZ13 9971QQ_ssovZ1QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282) for about $350. Not nearly the kind of gouging we saw in 2006.

[KingGorilla]

Sadly Amazon took down Amazonwatcher too. Dick move amazon.

[cppcrusader]

Oddly enough I was in Target the Sunday before last, fairly late in the day, and saw a single lone Wii in the case.

[Schnoogs]

Since I won't be looking I don't think I need any luck

[quidmonkey]

http://gaygamer.net/images/nintendo_still_selling_wiis_li/WiiPrintsMoney.gif

[Gorvi]

Funny thing, they've been readily available in the EB and Babbages in the mall near me for a few weeks now. They even have big "Nintendo Wii In Stock" signs outside.

[itchyeyes]

This is ridiculous, this is the third year that it has been available at Christmas and the third year where it was basically impossible to find. When I bought mine earlier this year I had to have my EB manager friend just set one aside for me. I understand that opening up more production plants isn't exactly prudent, being that the demand can only last so long, but WTF?
My sentiments exactly. The point where Nintendo can claim they were caught off guard by the demand has long since passed. We're getting into negligent company management territory now. Every person who walks into a store and doesn't walk out with a Wii, and every bundle or over priced system that sells on Amazon represents lost revenue for the company. It was excusable for them to have not caught up to demand for the first and maybe even second holiday season. But this is the third year in a row that Nintendo has not been properly prepared to move their flagship product during their peak selling period. That says a lot about the management of the company to me.

[Johan]

Since I won't be looking I don't think I need any luck

Me too! We can "not" look together! ;)

I have found plenty of kid-friendly stuff for my kids on my 360 + DS; mostly on the DS, but there are some fun 360 games for kids.

[NoName]

"We're producing over 2 million units a month. We're not creating artificial shortages. Please stop flaming us"

[Variable Gear]

http://gaygamer.net/images/nintendo_still_selling_wiis_li/WiiPrintsMoney.gif
Nice one. ;)

[LongStepMantis]

I wonder what the ratio is of sales and sales to scalpers.

I'm just guessing, but I couldn't imagine it to be all that useful to scalp them. The system has been out for a couple of years now, I think most people willing to pay through the nose to get one...did so already.

That and I despise the practice of buying systems just to resell them. If you do it for one or two just for some extra cash, no problem. I'm talking about the guys who will go in and drop a few grand and clean them out all at once.

[MachEnergy]

gotta hand it to them.....i hardly play mine, but the thing sure it successful

[Goronmon]

My sentiments exactly. The point where Nintendo can claim they were caught off guard by the demand has long since passed.They haven't been "caught off guard" for long time. They believe the massive costs associated with opening up new production facilities isn't worth it.

From a business perspective, I don't see why that's such a crazy thing to consider. Sure, it sucks for the customers, but I'm not sure why you think it's so obvious that they should be producing more for the good of the company.

[Wombat]

Someone needs a math lesson. 1.6 to 2.4 million is a 50% increase, not 33%.

[quidmonkey]

Nice one. ;)

Avnovice needed representing.

[BabyJesus]

I guess they feel like, making it scarce makes people want it more. I can't explain why they are selling so many. Software wise the thing is a turd.

[TheFlyingOrc]

From a business perspective, I don't see why that's such a crazy thing to consider. Sure, it sucks for the customers, but I'm not sure why you think it's so obvious that they should be producing more for the good of the company.
Seconding this. They could clearly make more and still sell out. 2.4 million X 12 months = 28.8 MILLION Wiis in a year. You people understand that? Has there every been ANY product that was that popular 2 years after it launched?

Nintendo is consistently opening new facilities at a steady rate. It would be much more expensive to do it faster, and they don't want to be caught with facilities churning out 3 million of these things a month if demand suddenly drops off.

Less can be said for internal software development.

[Wraith]

Seconding this. They could clearly make more and still sell out. 2.4 million X 12 months = 28.8 MILLION Wiis in a year. You people understand that? Has there every been ANY product that was that popular 2 years after it launched?Windows XP, Windows Vista? I was going to say iPod, but looking at the numbers, it started out really slow in the first couple years, then started taking off.

In July, Microsoft announced (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/jul08/07-17fy08Q4earnings.mspx) that they'd sold "over 180 million [Vista] licenses since launch," and Vista launched in November, 2006 (retail started in January 2007).

[Urizen]

Someone needs a math lesson. 1.6 to 2.4 million is a 50% increase, not 33%.

He misspoke. Wii production has moved from 1.8M to 2.4M, so it is a 33% increase. Nintendo announced this intention as many as eight months ago, and the 1.8M units of hardware has been circulating since long before that.

Windows XP, Windows Vista? I was going to say iPod, but looking at the numbers, it started out really slow in the first couple years, then started taking off.

In July, Microsoft announced (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/jul08/07-17fy08Q4earnings.mspx) that they'd sold "over 180 million [Vista] licenses since launch," and Vista launched in November, 2006 (retail started in January 2007).

You can't compare a physical consumer electronics device to a CD key for an operating system.

[TheBrainKills]

Shit I wish I owned some Nintendo stock, has to be one the most successful companies out there right now. I hate to say it but the new Tiger Woods game for it is one of the best golf games ever and worth buying a Wii for it alone.

[Talon]

Why is the Wii so popular?

You should be buying a 360 or PS3!!!!

Because most people aren't hardcore gamers?

Honestly, my roommates are dying to buy a Wii just because they want to play Mario Kart.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Windows XP, Windows Vista? I was going to say iPod, but looking at the numbers, it started out really slow in the first couple years, then started taking off.

In July, Microsoft announced (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/jul08/07-17fy08Q4earnings.mspx) that they'd sold "over 180 million [Vista] licenses since launch," and Vista launched in November, 2006 (retail started in January 2007).

I shouldn't have used "Product".

Unless I'm wrong, the Wii had the fastest start of any consumer electronics device ever.

[TrackZero]

You can't compare a physical consumer electronics device to a CD key for an operating system.

You can't? Don't see why not. The price is comparable for the product that acts as a conduit to other software "experiences". Except one comes with hardware and one doesn't (and the one that doesn't sells better, oh snap).

[TrackZero]

I shouldn't have used "Product".

Unless I'm wrong, the Wii had the fastest start of any consumer electronics device ever.

It also has the shortest shelf life on mine. I've played it TWICE since I've owned it. It sits there, collecting dust. I want to sell it, but keep hoping something will come along to make me change my mind. But nothing is coming. It's typical Nintendo, I'm just not in their "market" anymore I suppose.

[TrackZero]

Honestly, my roommates are dying to buy a Wii just because they want to play Mario Kart.

You hit the nail on the head. It just reaffirms my general sadness at the human race if that is their idea of entertainment.

[Goronmon]

You hit the nail on the head. It just reaffirms my general sadness at the human race if that is their idea of entertainment.I think the more hardcore gamers underestimate the amount of fun that can be found in the simpler games. I buddy has had a 360 for 6-8 months or so. Whenever I'm over the game we play most is Bomberman Live.

[TrackZero]

I think the more hardcore gamers underestimate the amount of fun that can be found in the simpler games. I buddy has had a 360 for 6-8 months or so. Whenever I'm over the game we play most is Bomberman Live.

Oh, without a doubt there's fun to be had with the Wii. The issue is it all revolves around local mutli-player games. Ones that aren't even that well designed, but simply by acting goofy in a group usually equals fun. I know, I've play a bunch of Wii elsewhere. But at home, by yourself, as a system it's just complete and utter balls (and the few exceptions could have been done better on any other platform).

[Doctor Setebos]

You can't? Don't see why not. The price is comparable for the product that acts as a conduit to other software "experiences". Except one comes with hardware and one doesn't (and the one that doesn't sells better, oh snap).The difference is in the manufacturing. There's a bit more involved in the process of assembling a complicated electronic device than there is in pressing a CD.

[quidmonkey]

You hit the nail on the head. It just reaffirms my general sadness at the human race if that is their idea of entertainment.

http://files.nintendic.com/wii/wiivictim.jpg

[pomeroy]

The Wii is such a letdown for me. :(

[TrackZero]

The difference is in the manufacturing. There's a bit more involved in the process of assembling a complicated electronic device than there is in pressing a CD.

When it's on established hardware and cheap to make? Heh, not much. I think you'd be shocked at the actual price Nintendo spends to make a Wii.

[Doctor Setebos]

When it's on established hardware and cheap to make? Heh, not much. I think you'd be shocked at the actual price Nintendo spends to make a Wii.You're talking cost. I'm talking process, which is what Nintendo is talking about, too.

Burning a CD in a processing center takes seconds. Assembling any electronic device -- regardless of how cheap or readily available the parts are -- takes a lot more time per unit. It's not a problem you can easily just throw money at to resolve.

[TheBrainKills]

I think you'd be shocked at the actual price Nintendo spends to make a Wii. It is a very well engineered piece of electronics, amazing how so much fun can be packed into such a small box.

[Talon]

You hit the nail on the head. It just reaffirms my general sadness at the human race if that is their idea of entertainment.

Why is wanting to play Mario Kart a bad thing? Regardless of what we may think about recycling the same gameplay, I'm hard pressed to think of any other game that's more well-suited for fun local multiplayer.

That game's just flat out fun, and, hell, isn't that the point of entertainment?

[TrackZero]

That game's just flat out fun, and, hell, isn't that the point of entertainment?

You know that's a great point. You've actually made me think more about the problem here. We're actually using the wrong words. Nintendo makes games. Sony and MS and the rest of the companies make entertainment.

[court12b]

If I had known in 06 that Nintendo was going to completely fail to bring ANY worth while games to the system I totally would have gone the 360 route. I just don't get why it's so hard to make a game that's FUN!

I mean seriously... Tanks from wii play was the most enjoyable thing I saw. where's the Tanks Coop campaign game? UGH.-

[quidmonkey]

You know that's a great point. You've actually made me think more about the problem here. We're actually using the wrong words. Nintendo makes games. Sony and MS and the rest of the companies make entertainment.

Lol. Very clever.

[Hotcod]

You can't? Don't see why not. The price is comparable for the product that acts as a conduit to other software "experiences". Except one comes with hardware and one doesn't (and the one that doesn't sells better, oh snap).

Do you have a dvd writer and a blank dvd laying around? well if you do you could make a copy of vista... now i'd like you to try and make a Wii... we'll forgot the packaging in both cases...

But yes point i'm trying to make is that making a dvd is so easy you can do it at home where as building something like a wii would be rather hard for most people to do at home... and the same thing comes true as you scale up.

Not only that but given pressing DVDs and such is standard you don't even need your own factory... you pay some one else with a factory to make them for you... you can't really do that with a Wii since you need to set up a factory or pay some one to set up there's...

In other words it's much easier and less expensive to cope with increasing or decreasing demand for software than it is for something like a wii.... horribly over simplified i know but still

[Talon]

You know that's a great point. You've actually made me think more about the problem here. We're actually using the wrong words. Nintendo makes games. Sony and MS and the rest of the companies make entertainment.

That's actually what Nintendo's been saying since the death of the N64. :p With the Wii, they decided to stop limiting their audience to gamers and went mainstream, and they absolutely succeeded. It doesn't hurt that hardcore gamers would buy their box just to play Mario and/or Zelda.

Actually, I really don't see the point of talking down to the Wii or its library. Yeah, I'm a hardcore gamer, and I've loved the so-called "immersive experiences" like Bioshock, Fallout 2, Planescape, etc. that are supposed to show the best of this medium. Hell, why are we so arrogant about our hobby?

I don't think I've ever had as much fun as I did as a little kid playing Super Mario World gathering up the Yoshi's off of Star Road. Honestly, I had more fun playing Super Mario Galaxy last year than any other game (Mass Effect, Halo 3, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, etc.).

This argument seems to pop up every 3 days, but Nintendo doesn't need to care about the hardcore gamer based on their sales. They're going to space out their big releases as much as they can. Is that shitty? Absolutely. But that's why I have a 360 here, and a Wii back home. ;)

[TrackZero]

Lol. Very clever.

Eh, I'm being overly harsh. I know. I'm just tired of Nintendo disappointment. And it annoys me that they continue to sell tons of systems without (IMHO), deserving it.

[TheFlyingOrc]

You know that's a great point. You've actually made me think more about the problem here. We're actually using the wrong words. Nintendo makes games. Sony and MS and the rest of the companies make entertainment.
Ugh.

Nintendo makes games that let you let out your inner 7 year old, everyone else lets you let out your inner 14 year old.

I wish I could be 7 again. I never again want to be 14. :)

[TrackZero]

Ugh.

Nintendo makes films that let you let out your inner 7 year old, everyone else lets you let out your inner 14 year old.

I wish I could be 7 again. I never again want to be 14. :)

Fair enough. I'd rather have it the other way around. I like a game with more depth and challenge, if I wanted to be treated like an infant, there's plenty of other avenues for that in media.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Fair enough. I'd rather have it the other way around. I like a game with more depth and challenge, if I wanted to be treated like an infant, there's plenty of other avenues for that in media.

Yes, heaven forbid that when I'm trying to play something we emulate children. T'would be far better to emulate those who have really figured out how to have fun, teenagers.

[TrackZero]

Yes, heaven forbid that when I'm trying to play something we emulate children. T'would be far better to emulate those who have really figured out how to have fun, teenagers.

Hell yes, you finally get it. ;)

[RandoM51]

I really need to get around to selling my Wii. Only have 2 hours on it and a stack of 6 games only one of which I played.

[Kelegacy]

Guess I gotta buy one and sell it if I can.

But other than that, I still can't wrap my head around the popularity of the gadget, but whatever.

[Kelegacy]

If I had known in 06 that Nintendo was going to completely fail to bring ANY worth while games to the system I totally would have gone the 360 route. I just don't get why it's so hard to make a game that's FUN!

I mean seriously... Tanks from wii play was the most enjoyable thing I saw. where's the Tanks Coop campaign game? UGH.-

You can still go the 360 route, if you don't own one already. Sell that Wii and come aboard. There are children and grannies out there aplenty that will pay you cash money for it!

[Doctor Setebos]

Damn. I was thinking that CoG would be different from EvAv. I had hoped that all of the anti-Nintendo hate-mongers had been left behind. Sad to think that's not the case.

The fact that people can emit such verdant, fiery hatred and nonsensical ridicule for a game console that they are capable of simply bypassing completely, baffles me to no end.

Can't everyone just love gaming in general, without having to constantly hate on something they claim to be irrelevant?

[Widgetcraft]

If I had known in 06 that Nintendo was going to completely fail to bring ANY worth while games to the system

...Any? Why would you even buy a Nintendo console if Mario Galaxy or Smash Bros. isn't your cup of tea? I don't get that, I really don't. That's like buying a gaming PC and being like, "Why is it that all I can find are RTS games, shooters, and RPGs?! WTF! Where are my platformers and action-adventures?"

[MagGnome]

When it's on established hardware and cheap to make? Heh, not much. I think you'd be shocked at the actual price Nintendo spends to make a Wii.

I wonder how much it costs to make a Wii? I wouldn't be surprised if it was under $50, yet the system sells for $50 dollars MORE than the Gamecube did when it launched. Nintendo is certainly making a mint on each console sale.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Damn. I was thinking that CoG would be different from EvAv. I had hoped that all of the anti-Nintendo hate-mongers had been left behind. Sad to think that's not the case.

The fact that people can emit such verdant, fiery hatred and nonsensical ridicule for a game console that they are capable of simply bypassing completely, baffles me to no end.

Can't everyone just love gaming in general, without having to constantly hate on something they claim to be irrelevant?

Based on the holiday season for 2 years running now, it isn't making less good games come out. :)

[TheFlyingOrc]

I wonder how much it costs to make a Wii? I wouldn't be surprised if it was under $50, yet the system sells for $50 dollars MORE than the Gamecube did when it launched. Nintendo is certainly making a mint on each console sale.

You can't think it costs $50 for parts + manufacturing + shipping + Bundled Controller + R&D cost.

[Variable Gear]

Based on the holiday season for 2 years running now, it isn't making less good games come out. :)
And yet the bitching continues. Why don't you fools shut the fuck up and get back to the "buggy as hell" Fable 2?

[TheFlyingOrc]

And yet the bitching continues. Why don't you fools shut the fuck up and get back to the "buggy as hell" Fable 2?
Because they're all part of the console wars, but can't stand it when their side isn't "winning". (the angry ones, at least)

[crazyD]

Damn. I was thinking that CoG would be different from EvAv. I had hoped that all of the anti-Nintendo hate-mongers had been left behind. Sad to think that's not the case.

The fact that people can emit such verdant, fiery hatred and nonsensical ridicule for a game console that they are capable of simply bypassing completely, baffles me to no end.

Can't everyone just love gaming in general, without having to constantly hate on something they claim to be irrelevant?

Agreed. This thread is absurd. What surprises me the most is that I don't remember TZ being such a troll back in the days. And he's an admin! Are the bad old days coming back?

[TheFlyingOrc]

Agreed. This thread is absurd. What surprises me the most is that I don't remember TZ being such a troll back in the days. And he's an admin! Are the bad old days coming back?

You're just remembering wrong ;)

edit: And the admins are people, too. Many of them have very strong (and in this case, very wrong) opinions. That's why you need defense forces. ;)

[Variable Gear]

Because they're all part of the console wars, but can't stand it when their side isn't "winning". (the angry ones, at least)
I've never understood this sentiment. Why prefer one multinational hardware manufacturer over another? Each of them exists to make money, not good games, and each of them screws you over from time to time. However, if you're open-minded, and have the resources to buy all three consoles and the two major handheld systems, you'll have access to more games than you can actually play. That's my reality, and I don't even own a PS3 or PSP at the moment.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I've never understood this sentiment. Why prefer one multinational hardware manufacturer over another? Each of them exists to make money, not good games, and each of them screws you over from time to time. However, if you're open-minded, and have the resources to buy all three consoles and the two major handheld systems, you'll have access to more games than you can actually play. That's my reality, and I don't even own a PS3 or PSP at the moment.

Well, I love the console wars the same way some people love sports - I have fanatical devotion to my team for no real reason, and love it when they win. But I don't get angry about them losing.

For those of you who DO get mad about such things, learn a lesson from Cool Frog and Dolphin!

http://rumblo.com/cc/comics/cc-coolfrog.gif

[crazyD]

You're just remembering wrong ;)

edit: And the admins are people, too. Many of them have very strong (and in this case, very wrong) opinions. That's why you need defense forces. ;)

Yeah, but admins should be a fucking example to be lived by. The shit coming out of TZ sounds like the kind of things Evil would say.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Yeah, but admins should be a fucking example to be lived by. The shit coming out of TZ sounds like the kind of things Evil would say.

I respectfully disagree. What was offensive about Evil was the way he used his mod powers, not the things he said.

Also, Crazy - I sincerely ask that you:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b350/theflyingorc/Frog.jpg

[crazyD]

I respectfully disagree. What was offensive about Evil was the way he used his mod powers, not the things he said.

Also, Crazy - I sincerely ask that you:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b350/theflyingorc/Frog.jpg

That was also offensive. I see a problem with admins trolling, regardless. And I'm not being mad about video games. I'm being mad about people (Edit - People in power) being dicks in a conversation about video games.

[TheFlyingOrc]

That was also offensive. I see a problem with admins trolling, regardless. And I'm not being mad about video games. I'm being mad about people being dicks in a conversation about video games.
My point is that at the end of the day, It's just words on the page.

[crazyD]

My point is that at the end of the day, It's just words on the page.

O....K? I will not attempt to argue that they are words. They are definitely words. This is something we can all agree on.

[TheFlyingOrc]

O....K? I will not attempt to argue that they are words. They are definitely words. This is something we can all agree on.

Listen. I clearly think you're overreacting. You clearly think you aren't. Consider my opinion, then accept or reject it. We don't need to make this a big thing between you and I, please.

[Variable Gear]

Listen. I clearly think you're overreacting. You clearly think you aren't. Consider my opinion, then accept or reject it. We don't need to make this a big thing between you and I, please.
I love you too, Mr. Orc.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I love you too, Mr. Orc.

I know you do, VG.

Now, why isn't Mother 3 in your "currently playing" list down there?

[crazyD]

Listen. I clearly think you're overreacting. You clearly think you aren't. Consider my opinion, then accept or reject it. We don't need to make this a big thing between you and I, please.

My problem is the meaning behind the words. Sure, they are just words, so was my response. I have an issue with a founder, someone who's actions speak for the site, trolling a thread.

You and me? We are cool.

[GrenMag]

That game's just flat out fun, and, hell, isn't that the point of entertainment?

No, this is the internet. "Entertainment" is bitching an moaning about how much fun things aren't for you.

Screw that -- I'm going to go play some Boom Blox.

[Variable Gear]

I know you do, VG.

Now, why isn't Mother 3 in your "currently playing" list down there?
Because I'm a lazy bastard that's been too busy with Fable 2, Halo 3, Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero World Tour to download the patch. Don't worry though, I plan on patching my copy tomorrow and sinking a bit of time in the world of Nowhere in between Fallout 3 sessions.

[Xerxes]

Hmmm... I think my uncle and brother both want me to help them find one.

[Urizen]

You can't? Don't see why not. The price is comparable for the product that acts as a conduit to other software "experiences". Except one comes with hardware and one doesn't (and the one that doesn't sells better, oh snap).

You answered your own question. How's your 'oh snap' taste?

By the way, aren't you the guy who says the 360 and the Wii shouldn't be compared?

[MagGnome]

You can't think it costs $50 for parts + manufacturing + shipping + Bundled Controller + R&D cost.

How much do you think they cost then? Even if it's $100, which I doubt, they are still making a nice amount of cash from each console sale.

[TheBrainKills]

How much do you think they cost then? Even if it's $100, which I doubt, they are still making a nice amount of cash from each console sale.And the point being? they are making a profit from day one which keeps shareholders happy. End of story, other than alot of us "hardcore" gamers love the system and continue to buy games at a rate that exceeds the PS3, but not enough to reach the angst ridden Xbox360 fans attach rate; whatever, they are all good systems, live with it.

[Lutheran]

Why is wanting to play Mario Kart a bad thing? Regardless of what we may think about recycling the same gameplay, I'm hard pressed to think of any other game that's more well-suited for fun local multiplayer.

That game's just flat out fun, and, hell, isn't that the point of entertainment?

Its a bad thing because it doesn't fit in with the Trackzero ( or any Nintendo hater ) theory on how the Wii has no games. This fall in the retail segment I must agree that there is not much there , but with Wiiware and the ton of games that shipped already and will ship next year the Wii is well worth having. Thats not even mentioning the VC. Could most of those Wii games been done on other consoles and better? Of course but people who bag on the Wii for the simplistic style of gaming and then fall in love with XBOX LIVE ARCADE and the ton of simplistic games on that system are speaking out of both sides of their mouths.

[TrackZero]

Damn. I was thinking that CoG would be different from EvAv. I had hoped that all of the anti-Nintendo hate-mongers had been left behind. Sad to think that's not the case.

The fact that people can emit such verdant, fiery hatred and nonsensical ridicule for a game console that they are capable of simply bypassing completely, baffles me to no end.

Can't everyone just love gaming in general, without having to constantly hate on something they claim to be irrelevant?

I can have a solid discussion about the console. However, I get a stream of responses from all sides in immediate defense against whatever criticisms (whether valid or not) brought into the conversation, and it quickly becomes me with my back up against the wall. So it's not hard for a conversation to turn into "hate" when you're trying to talk to devotees (just look at any Apple thread). The blame for this though doesn't lie on "hate-mongers", it lies in people who can't for the life of them keep calm and talk logically instead of based around opinion.

Edit: Also, I didn't say it's irrelevant. Far from it, the Wii certainly caters to certain crowd and they love it. That's a good thing. At the same time, I can criticize that Nintendo it blowing their advantage by not trying to appeal to a wider audience with all the resources at their disposal. And I find that disappointing.

[MagGnome]

And the point being? they are making a profit from day one which keeps shareholders happy. End of story, other than alot of us "hardcore" gamers love the system and continue to buy games at a rate that exceeds the PS3, but not enough to reach the angst ridden Xbox360 fans attach rate; whatever, they are all good systems, live with it.

The point being that I am curious about it?


You fanboys need to calm down.

[Thanasimos]

I'm surprised at the lack of a popcorn.gif. I'm not posting it, because I'm lazy, but somebody should have by now...

[NoName]

I'm surprised at the lack of a popcorn.gif. I'm not posting it, because I'm lazy, but somebody should have by now...

That's ok, it's so much nicer just to type out popcorn.gif. It gets your point across without the annoying animation.

As for Nintendo, I still have faith they'll release more games for the "hardcore" eventually. I tried out Wii Music though and I think I heard baby Jesus crying in the corner...

[Doctor Setebos]

I can have a solid discussion about the console. However, I get a stream of responses from all sides in immediate defense against whatever criticisms (whether valid or not) brought into the conversation, and it quickly becomes me with my back up against the wall. So it's not hard for a conversation to turn into "hate" when you're trying to talk to devotees (just look at any Apple thread). The blame for this though doesn't lie on "hate-mongers", it lies in people who can't for the life of them keep calm and talk logically instead of based around opinion.

Edit: Also, I didn't say it's irrelevant. Far from it, the Wii certainly caters to certain crowd and they love it. That's a good thing. At the same time, I can criticize that Nintendo it blowing their advantage by not trying to appeal to a wider audience with all the resources at their disposal. And I find that disappointing.Was your "back against the wall" when you made this comment (your very first one of the thread, mind you):

The price is comparable for the product that acts as a conduit to other software "experiences". Except one comes with hardware and one doesn't (and the one that doesn't sells better, oh snap).While everyone else was having a nice, intelligent discussion about Nintendo's supply issues and the problems with mass producing consumer electronics, you come in ranting about how cheap and easy the Wii is to make (we're talking process, not cost), and how the games are designed for kids, and yours is collecting dust. So on. So forth.

Yes. My apologies. I don't know where I got the idea you were one of the "hate-mongers". :rolleyes:

Please. Carry on.

[TrackZero]

Was your "back against the wall" when you made this comment (your very first one of the thread, mind you):

While everyone else was having a nice, intelligent discussion about Nintendo's supply issues and the problems with mass producing consumer electronics, you come in ranting about how cheap and easy the Wii is to make (we're talking process, not cost), and how the games are designed for kids, and yours is collecting dust. So on. So forth.

No, I came in noting that another product sells this fast as well (counter to the claim that this is some magical selling device that breaks all records, ever). My back went to the wall after the responses to it. All of which are still valid from my view or left to be discussed, or just, you know, blow them off like you are.


Yes. My apologies. I don't know where I got the idea you were one of the "hate-mongers". :rolleyes:

Please. Carry on.

Sorry, I didn't feel the need to get personal in this. Feel free to keep characterizing me instead of giving any valid response to my comments or whining that I'm not agreeing without your worldview. Yeesh, look in a mirror.

And no, there was no carry on. I was done with this thread by and large, which is why I had only replied to the few people left who I felt wanted to talk and ignored the others. Which I probably should have done with you, but I thought you were better than that, my mistake.

[Doctor Setebos]

No, I came in noting that another product sells this fast as well (counter to the claim that this is some magical selling device that breaks all records, ever). My back went to the wall after the responses to it. All of which are still valid from my view or left to be discussed, or just, you know, blow them off like you are.

Sorry, I didn't feel the need to get personal in this. Feel free to keep characterizing me instead of giving any valid response to my comments or whining that I'm not agreeing without your worldview. Yeesh, look in a mirror.

And no, there was no carry on. I was done with this thread by and large, which is why I had only replied to the few people left who I felt wanted to talk and ignored the others. Which I probably should have done with you, but I thought you were better than that, my mistake.I'm sorry if I'm coming off as overly personal in this rather (unfortunately) heated conversation. Despite our differences in opinion, Track, I actually do respect you and your view points. I truly apologize if I sound like an asshole. That honestly is not my intent.

I think part of the problem here is that you have made some comments that Nintendo die-hards like myself see as particularly incendiary, and for some reason, you don't see those comments in the same way.

You have to understand, when someone comes in and makes statements such as "Except one comes with hardware and one doesn't (and the one that doesn't sells better, oh snap)." and "It just reaffirms my general sadness at the human race if [Mario Kart] is their idea of entertainment.", those sound like anti-Nintendo flamebait. Maybe you just don't see it, but a lot of us do. That's probably why you felt like you ended up with your back against the wall. You made those comments, and people (such as myself) felt the need to "fight back", so to speak.

Realize, we don't argue these comments to irrationally defend Nintendo. We do it because we honestly don't agree with the sentiments you expressed. Nothing more.

Once again, I apologize if my criticism was too personal. It wasn't intended to be. I was probably just speaking too off-the-cuff for my own good.

[TheFlyingOrc]

How much do you think they cost then? Even if it's $100, which I doubt, they are still making a nice amount of cash from each console sale.

The device seems to have some $100-$120 worth of cost to get it built and to the store. They are making a mint, but if they lowered the price, the demand would skyrocket.

[KingGorilla]

People really need to realize that this is not a console, it it a fad. This is Beanie Babies or the At At from the 80's. Why stores are not offering vouchers as gifts is beyond me. How many people would pay for a raincheck?

[TheFlyingOrc]

People really need to realize that this is not a console, it it a fad.
All consoles are fads. This is just a big one.

[quidmonkey]

Jesus is a fad.

[Doctor Setebos]

People really need to realize that this is not a console, it it a fad. This is Beanie Babies or the At At from the 80's. Why stores are not offering vouchers as gifts is beyond me. How many people would pay for a raincheck?That's what Evil Avatar said about the DS.

Jesus is a fad.That's what Pontius Pilate said about the Son of God. :D

[Young Al Capone]

That's what Evil Avatar said about the DS.

God don't remind me, that shit made me want to punch myself in the face.

[TrackZero]

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as overly personal in this rather (unfortunately) heated conversation. Despite our differences in opinion, Track, I actually do respect you and your view points. I truly apologize if I sound like an asshole. That honestly is not my intent.

I think part of the problem here is that you have made some comments that Nintendo die-hards like myself see as particularly incendiary, and for some reason, you don't see those comments in the same way.

Thanks man, and I can understand that. But I always come across as "harsh", generally speaking, it's not something I try to target at Nintendo.

You have to understand, when someone comes in and makes statements such as "Except one comes with hardware and one doesn't (and the one that doesn't sells better, oh snap)." and "It just reaffirms my general sadness at the human race if [Mario Kart] is their idea of entertainment.", those sound like anti-Nintendo flamebait. Maybe you just don't see it, but a lot of us do. That's probably why you felt like you ended up with your back against the wall. You made those comments, and people (such as myself) felt the need to "fight back", so to speak.

Fair enough, I'll try to keep the "oh snap" off the menu. The Mario Kart thing, it just annoys me that there's people out there who's only reason to look forward to a console is a game that, while entertaining, certainly isn't my idea of what people should look forward to as a system seller (especially considering how many variants of it already exist on how many platforms). But again, that's a whole other discussion, sorry to tangent.

Realize, we don't argue these comments to irrationally defend Nintendo. We do it because we honestly don't agree with the sentiments you expressed. Nothing more.

Once again, I apologize if my criticism was too personal. It wasn't intended to be. I was probably just speaking too off-the-cuff for my own good.

Nah nah, it's fine, we're both at fault I'm sure. In retrospect, the title of this thread alone was the reason I wanted to come in here and complain. I really haven't used my system at all, and seeing Nintendo say (and I understand there are reasons) essentially "Sorry, we won't have enough for everyone." just gets my goat. Guess I should eBay mine so someone else out there saves a few bucks and can get one for X-mas.

[Gorvi]

Hell, I just wish more games would come out for the Wii that I want. I genuinely like the system.

[Young Al Capone]

Hell, I just wish more games would come out for the Wii that I want. I genuinely like the system.

Yeah, me too. I love the system but this is worse than the Gamecube is terms of waiting for good software.

[MachEnergy]

Hell, I just wish more games would come out for the Wii that I want. I genuinely like the system.

Such is the Nintendo way of life, ever since the N64 :(

[TheFlyingOrc]

Yeah, me too. I love the system but this is worse than the Gamecube is terms of waiting for good software.

The first year wasn't too bad.

Since Brawl, however...

[Gorvi]

Such is the Nintendo way of life, ever since the N64 :(
Believe me, I know. The N64 was my only console for a good 3 years after it came out.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Believe me, I know. The N64 was my only console for a good 3 years after it came out.
The N64 was pretty much perfect for me due to my 13yo self's budget at the time.

[Doctor Setebos]

...kind words...You are a gentleman and a scholar, and you have my respect. :)

Hell, I just wish more games would come out for the Wii that I want. I genuinely like the system.I think the Wii will eventually become the de-facto home of excellent Japanese RPGs (much like the PS2 has been), but HOLY CRAP is it painful waiting for them to come. :(

[Gorvi]

The N64 was pretty much perfect for me due to my 13yo self's budget at the time.
It was perfect for me as well at the time, but I didn't do a whol lot of gaming. Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Zelda, and a few others made me very happy at the time.
I think the Wii will eventually become the de-facto home of excellent Japanese RPGs (much like the PS2 has been), but HOLY CRAP is it painful waiting for them to come. :(
It'd be nice. Hell, I'd like to have them at all, but it's been dry as hell for JRPGs over the past couple of years. :(

[DoctorFinger]

I think the Wii will eventually become the de-facto home of excellent Japanese RPGs (much like the PS2 has been), but HOLY CRAP is it painful waiting for them to come. :(Unfortunately I think that crown is going to go to either the DS or the PSP. I'm sure you'll see more JRPGs on the Wii, but I just don't see it becoming the home to what is arguably the most hardcore console genre.

[TheFlyingOrc]

It'd be nice. Hell, I'd like to have them at all, but it's been dry as hell for JRPGs over the past couple of years. :(

Blame that on the PS3, pretty much. All the devs were prepared to put RPGs on Sony's new system, then it didn't provide the sales numbers.

[Doctor Setebos]

It'd be nice. Hell, I'd like to have them at all, but it's been dry as hell for JRPGs over the past couple of years. :(Here's an upcoming Wii JRPG list to keep you warm (you probably know about most of these already, but I love sharing the list anyways):

Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_Symphonia:_Dawn_of_the_New_World)
Kizuna
Arc Rise Fantasia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_Rise_Fantasia)
Monster Hunter 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Hunter_3)
Fragile: Farewell Ruins of the Moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragile:_Farewell_Ruins_of_the_Moon)
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga
Rune Factory Frontier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rune_Factory_Frontier)
Swords of Legendia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swords_of_Legendia)
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Crystal_Chronicles:_Echoes_of_Time)

[Doctor Setebos]

Unfortunately I think that crown is going to go to either the DS or the PSP. I'm sure you'll see more JRPGs on the Wii, but I just don't see it becoming the home to what is arguably the most hardcore console genre.True. The DS has been seeing a steady stream of JRPG goodness practically since release, mainly due to the fact that it's relatively cheap and quick to get games on the handheld.

Okay, how about the de-facto home of console JRPGs? ;)

[crazyD]

Edit: Also, I didn't say it's irrelevant. Far from it, the Wii certainly caters to certain crowd and they love it. That's a good thing. At the same time, I can criticize that Nintendo it blowing their advantage by not trying to appeal to a wider audience with all the resources at their disposal. And I find that disappointing.

What are you talking about? The Wii probably has a wider audience then any other console out there. You, apparently, are just not a part of the audience.

[Widgetcraft]

Unfortunately I think that crown is going to go to either the DS or the PSP. I'm sure you'll see more JRPGs on the Wii, but I just don't see it becoming the home to what is arguably the most hardcore console genre.

I actually disagree with labeling it the most hardcore console genre. Most of the people I know who are just sort of casually into gaming play jRPGs, heavily, and nothing else. Not even just the big ones, but obscure shit that I don't even know much about. The anime crowd also loves jRPGs, and often they don't look into any games outside of that genre.

[Scull]

I love my Wii, and I don't get where all the hate comes from for the little system that could. People bitch about software but seem to forget things like this:

Super Mario Galaxy
World of Goo
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Resident Evil 4
Okami
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Bomberman Blast
Art Style: ORBIENT
Super Paper Mario
Boom Blox
No More Heroes
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Mario Kart Wii
Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 3: Baddest of the Bands
Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 2: Strong Badia the Free
Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 1: Homestar Ruiner
de Blob
Wii Fit
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King
Mario Strikers Charged
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Wario Land: Shake It!
Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon
Sam & Max: Season One

Each and everyone of those games rates above 75% on Metacritic. Most of them are Wii exclusive, or at the very least enhanced for the Wii controls (RE4 on the Wii is possibly the best version of that game).

The cries of a lack of software are obviously false, and it is just people looking for an excuse to hate the Wii. I'll admit that if you aren't a fan of Nintendo IP then there isn't as much here to interest you, but you wouldn't buy a Wii anyway so shut up.

[Talon]

Mario Kart is the shit. That is all. ;)

[TrackZero]

What are you talking about? The Wii probably has a wider audience then any other console out there. You, apparently, are just not a part of the audience.

D, there's no way to reply to your comments without sounding a little offensive (sp?), so please don't take it as such. I'm not disagreeing that Nintendo doesn't have the largest audience out there (though I'd hesitate to use the term widest, in so far as types of content). But that popularity is based around appealing, in many cases, to the lowest common denominator, both in terms of gameplay but also in depth of narrative. Which is all well and good.

But usually the next step is to then provide more niche content for those various new user groups to really "hook" them in. Nintendo hasn't done much of that yet. That same mass audience could turn around tomorrow and lose almost all interest in the system (which is often why it's incorrectly referred to as a fad). That's what I think Nintendo is missing the ball on right now. They need to roll out more (officially branded at least) Nintendo software hitting more key groups (i.e. What, specifically, does Grandma like to play?), instead of just scatter shotting.

But thanks for the insulting tone in your reply, it's pure class.

[quidmonkey]

That's what I think Nintendo is missing the ball on right now. They need to roll out more (officially branded at least) Nintendo software hitting more key groups (i.e. What, specifically, does Grandma like to play?), instead of just scatter shotting.

See, I think Nintendo's lack of software at this point in time is in direct response to complaints about third party software ratios. Nintendo is limiting themselves to give third parties a chance. You'll notice that at the recent Nintendo Presser, they pimped third party games.

[crazyD]

D, there's no way to reply to your comments without sounding a little offensive (sp?), so please don't take it as such. I'm not disagreeing that Nintendo doesn't have the largest audience out there (though I'd hesitate to use the term widest, in so far as types of content). But that popularity is based around appealing, in many cases, to the lowest common denominator, both in terms of gameplay but also in depth of narrative. Which is all well and good.

But usually the next step is to then provide more niche content for those various new user groups to really "hook" them in. Nintendo hasn't done much of that yet. That same mass audience could turn around tomorrow and lose almost all interest in the system (which is often why it's incorrectly referred to as a fad). That's what I think Nintendo is missing the ball on right now. They need to roll out more (officially branded at least) Nintendo software hitting more key groups (i.e. What, specifically, does Grandma like to play?), instead of just scatter shotting.

But thanks for the insulting tone in your reply, it's pure class.

Hey, thanks for your insulting tone in all your previous posts in this thread. Definitely class.

The Wii has a wide variety of games in multiple niche markets, so I really don't know what you are talking about here. I personally own puzzle games, FPSs, Platformers, third person action, and strategy. They also have genres the other systems haven't really touched, such as exercise, educational, and music improvisation. I don't see how it can even be argued that the Wii software appeals to a very wide audience.

[Scull]

Again I present Exhibit A:

Super Mario Galaxy
World of Goo
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Resident Evil 4
Okami
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Bomberman Blast
Art Style: ORBIENT
Super Paper Mario
Boom Blox
No More Heroes
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Mario Kart Wii
Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 3: Baddest of the Bands
Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 2: Strong Badia the Free
Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 1: Homestar Ruiner
de Blob
Wii Fit
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King
Mario Strikers Charged
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Wario Land: Shake It!
Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon
Sam & Max: Season One

[DoctorFinger]

I actually disagree with labeling it the most hardcore console genre. Most of the people I know who are just sort of casually into gaming play jRPGs, heavily, and nothing else. Not even just the big ones, but obscure shit that I don't even know much about. The anime crowd also loves jRPGs, and often they don't look into any games outside of that genre.All that is fine, but what significant genre - other than strategy games on the PC - would be considered more hardcore? Games like Final Fantasy are huge, but would even the average gamer be able to tell me anything about Odin Sphere, or Vagrant Story, or Shin Megami Tensai? It's more that second tier of JRPGs after the biggies that's in my mind the real hardcore zone.

[quidmonkey]

All that is fine, but what significant genre - other than strategy games on the PC - would be considered more hardcore? Games like Final Fantasy are huge, but would even the average gamer be able to tell me anything about Odin Sphere, or Vagrant Story, or Shin Megami Tensai? It's more that second tier of JRPGs after the biggies that's in my mind the real hardcore zone.

Easy, shmups or fighters.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Easy, shmups or fighters.

The schmup community is a baffling community.

[quidmonkey]

The schmup community is a baffling community.

It's no worse than cosplay.

[TheFlyingOrc]

It's no worse than cosplay.

NO, IT MOST CERTAINLY IS NOT. COSPLAYERS ARE WEIRD.

Schmup players are an example of an extreme level of genre maturation - the games just keep targeting a smaller and smaller niche, until eventually there will be one guy making and playing his own perfect schmup game, which nobody else can even stand.

[Variable Gear]

I can have a solid discussion about the console. However, I get a stream of responses from all sides in immediate defense against whatever criticisms (whether valid or not) brought into the conversation, and it quickly becomes me with my back up against the wall. So it's not hard for a conversation to turn into "hate" when you're trying to talk to devotees (just look at any Apple thread). The blame for this though doesn't lie on "hate-mongers", it lies in people who can't for the life of them keep calm and talk logically instead of based around opinion.

Edit: Also, I didn't say it's irrelevant. Far from it, the Wii certainly caters to certain crowd and they love it. That's a good thing. At the same time, I can criticize that Nintendo it blowing their advantage by not trying to appeal to a wider audience with all the resources at their disposal. And I find that disappointing.
OMG! I love the 360 too! Isn't it the best system around?!?

[MagGnome]

This thread brings me back to Evil Avatar.

That's not a good thing. :p

[Variable Gear]

OMG! I love the 360 too! Isn't it the best system around?!?
For the record, this post isn't quite indicative of my true position, because my back was against the wall.

[boratika]

As for shmups, there's Blastwerks, which I gather contains rRootage, which is pretty much this:
Schmup players are an example of an extreme level of genre maturation - the games just keep targeting a smaller and smaller niche, until eventually there will be one guy making and playing his own perfect schmup game, which nobody else can even stand.
Yep, that about sums it up. Now if only the damned game had come out here. *le sigh*
The point being that I am curious about it?
Well, I'd guess that the cost of production is mostly irrelevant at this point except in terms of profit. While demand is higher than they can supply, there's no strategic value to lowering the price, as they can't sell any more than they are. Even if for some reason the folk at Nintendo did want to lower the price, as a public company, I doubt their shareholders would be too happy about them turning down free money. It also makes sense to hold off on price drops until it can provide an increase in sales. There's that psychological edge provided by price drops. There's a type of person who, if they drop the price now, in six months when they are on shop shelve, wouldn't feel any impulses. But if they saw it at the same theoretical lowered price with a sign saying "NEW LOW PRICE" would get that tingling in their wallet.

Essentially, I'm saying there's strategic value in waiting until they can increase sales by lowering prices to lower prices. Though I am saying it in a very clunky "it's 7:30am and I need a coffee" kind of way.

I'm not saying I love this fact, just that as a public company, they don't really have a choice (if they wanted one, that is.)
This thread brings me back to Evil Avatar.

That's not a good thing. :p

Yeah, I think it's pretty hard for people to talk about Nintendo without getting emotional, positive or negative. I guess it's because they've been such an important part of our lives for upwards of twenty something years.

I sometimes wonder if people would get the same way about Sega if they were still a hardware player (and not some withered shadow of what they once were)

[Variable Gear]

Yeah, I think it's pretty hard for people to talk about Nintendo without getting emotional, positive or negative. I guess it's because they've been such an important part of our lives for upwards of twenty something years.

I sometimes wonder if people would get the same way about Sega if they were still a hardware player (and not some withered shadow of what they once were)
It's weird to me, because even though I'm not a CoG editor, I feel that I have an objective opinion of Nintendo.

This is no different than EvAv. :rolleyes:

[MagGnome]

Yeah, I think it's pretty hard for people to talk about Nintendo without getting emotional, positive or negative. I guess it's because they've been such an important part of our lives for upwards of twenty something years.

I sometimes wonder if people would get the same way about Sega if they were still a hardware player (and not some withered shadow of what they once were)


First of all, thank you for your response to my questions on Wii hardware costs. I was curious more than anything, but I guess I hit a nerve with some diehards.

As far as your above statement, I'm really and truly over this whole console war BS. I can understand that people form emotional attachments over these companies, but these threads tend to end up more heated than the presidential debates, or at least as much so. It's ridiculous. I used to be a diehard Nintendo fanboy, but I'm over that. I've realized that I don't need to defend any company. They are after my wallet, pure and simple, and they don't need me to march in their defense.

[Rogue_hunter]

My local Best Buy had about 20 on a pallet today when I was in picking up Little Big Planet. No security, just the systems out on the floor in a pile. It would have been so tempting to grab one and book it for the door because they were right on the main aisle that goes from the entrance to the back of the store.

Those will probably be gone by the end of the week, but Fry's also has them in stock, but are selling them only as part of a $350 bundle (2 games and an extra controller). No idea how long either store will still have them though.

[shodan2020]

For the record, this post isn't quite indicative of my true position, because my back was against the wall.

I think it's the best for me at the moment. The Wii doesn't have the games I want or am interested in and the PS3 is still too pricey and while it has a few great games that I want to play at some point, the 360 has more for me. :)

[quidmonkey]

NO, IT MOST CERTAINLY IS NOT. COSPLAYERS ARE WEIRD.

Schmup players are an example of an extreme level of genre maturation - the games just keep targeting a smaller and smaller niche, until eventually there will be one guy making and playing his own perfect schmup game, which nobody else can even stand.

Funny, I was thinking the same about jRPGs.

[TrackZero]

Hey, thanks for your insulting tone in all your previous posts in this thread. Definitely class.

Already had this discussion, welcome to the thread. Nothing speaks more of class than ignoring everything already said and trying to get in your shiv.

The Wii has a wide variety of games in multiple niche markets, so I really don't know what you are talking about here. I personally own puzzle games, FPSs, Platformers, third person action, and strategy. They also have genres the other systems haven't really touched, such as exercise, educational, and music improvisation. I don't see how it can even be argued that the Wii software appeals to a very wide audience.

I wasn't talking about genres. But you don't care what I have to say, you just want to slam me and write me off, which I can see has already happened further to this thread. Meh.

[TrackZero]

OMG! I love the 360 too! Isn't it the best system around?!?

Variable, I don't know what your problem is. But grow up and talk to me, or don't bother to post.

[crazyD]

Already had this discussion, welcome to the thread. Nothing speaks more of class than ignoring everything already said and trying to get in your shiv.

Says the guy who said the exact same thing to me in his response. You have been very inflammatory in this thread, and I feel that is unbecoming of a founder of a relatively mature site. Like it or not, what you are a representative of the site, and trying to start flame wars just makes the site look bad. Tell you what, I'll start being classy when you do, as I did not start being classless until you did.

[Disgustipated]

Shut the fuck up, girls. You can do better than this.

[MagGnome]

Shut the fuck up, girls. You can do better than this.

I resent that very much! :mad:


I'm a lady. ;)

[TrackZero]

Says the guy who said the exact same thing to me in his response. You have been very inflammatory in this thread, and I feel that is unbecoming of a founder of a relatively mature site. Like it or not, what you are a representative of the site, and trying to start flame wars just makes the site look bad. Tell you what, I'll start being classy when you do, as I did not start being classless until you did.

I'm not responsible for peoples reaction to me. All I did is discuss my thoughts on the situation, and agreed with Doc that I'll keep from saying "oh snap" and the like in the future, so it won't set off those easily riled. Sorry if you want to look for a fight, I don't. I have thoughts on the situation, that's all. You don't like them, you don't have to reply to me.

[TheFlyingOrc]

As far as your above statement, I'm really and truly over this whole console war BS. I can understand that people form emotional attachments over these companies, but these threads tend to end up more heated than the presidential debates, or at least as much so. It's ridiculous. I used to be a diehard Nintendo fanboy, but I'm over that. I've realized that I don't need to defend any company. They are after my wallet, pure and simple, and they don't need me to march in their defense.
It's pretty easy to understand if you've ever watched people cry over a football game.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Funny, I was thinking the same about jRPGs.

Every genre does this - Lost Garden has a fantastic write-up on the topic. FPSs each get more similar to each other as time goes on, as well.

Platformers even do it - how many games in the last 12 years have been just trying to be Mario 64?

[boratika]

It's pretty easy to understand if you've ever watched people cry over a football game.

Yeah, but I don't understand that either...

[MachEnergy]

It's pretty easy to understand if you've ever watched people cry over a football game.

Or stand and applaud in a movie theater. I love that one. Best ever was seeing Angels in The Outfield (middle-school date...shut up) and at the end, the audience stood up and flapped their arms like the people in the movie baseball stand.....because together as an audience, we can make sure the Angels win the season!!!

[TheFlyingOrc]

Or stand and applaud in a movie theater. I love that one. Best ever was seeing Angels in The Outfield (middle-school date...shut up) and at the end, the audience stood up and flapped their arms like the people in the movie baseball stand.....because together as an audience, we can make sure the Angels win the season!!!

That is the worst thing I've ever heard. I mean, I go crazy and have fun with the audience on opening nights, but that's just crazy.

[Johan]

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Johan

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So very appropriate.

[JayVe]

Every genre does this - Lost Garden has a fantastic write-up on the topic. FPSs each get more similar to each other as time goes on, as well.

Platformers even do it - how many games in the last 12 years have been just trying to be Mario 64?
I love the Lost Article series you speak of (http://lostgarden.com/2005/05/game-genre-lifecycle-part-i.html).

[Variable Gear]

Shut the fuck up, girls. You can do better than this.
Yeah, c'mon, let's out-troll those EvAv bitches.