Fallout 3

[diablopath]

The Wal-Mart I work at broke street date today.

...but the fucking system wouldn't allow the sale.
I would have walked the girl through how to still sell it to me "DEPARTMENT 05, 5700, CASH", but the manager over that department walked up just as it denied me.

He did not work with me -.-

Damn their system to hell!

Anybody luck out at any other stores?

[squirrelTactics]

You should have snatched it and ran.

[Nura]

Steal it! you wont regret it!

Noone ever breaks streetdates where i live :(

[Dukefrukem]

is this due out next week?

[diablopath]

is this due out next week?
Tuesday.
I'll be getting it tomorrow at 12.

[Dukefrukem]

i have too many games to play... :(

[yeti]

GAH!!!! I NEED IT NOW!!!!!!

I've not looked forward to a game this much since Mass Effect. Thank god this is coming out pretty much at the end of my study.:)

[carnage11]

is this due out next week?

It's due at Gamestop at midnight tomorrow.

[Dukefrukem]

It's due at Gamestop at midnight tomorrow.

bah... gamestop

[carnage11]

bah... gamestop

heh, they called me today, reminding me of my pre-order (as if I needed to be reminded of this game, I've been waiting ages for it) and said that they are starting the "party" at 10pm. I don't know who in their right mind goes to these things, and 2 hours prior at that, but I will be showing up briefly before midnight so I can grab my game and go. Screw the "party". lol:rolleyes:

[Orca]

Finally popped it in last night and got through the opening hour or so. I already missed an Achievement for talking the teacher into letting me set my G.O.A.T. scores instead of taking the test so I might restart after getting my feet wet and seeing what kind of path I want to take.

I have to say though the 'coming out of the cave' scene from Oblivion, where you emerge from the prison and go "ohhhhh" as you get an idea just how big the world is, that is absolutely TOPPED here.

[Nameless]

God, I hope I can pick it up Tuesday at EB, I don't have a pre-order, so I'm hoping they have some extra copies.

[Wedge]

The online shop I ordered it at has it in stock and ready to ship. But the street date over here is the 30th, so they won't put it in the mail until Tuesday I guess.

Whoever said waiting is half the fun needs a punch in the face.

[Purple Santa]

I'm getting mine from Amazon. But doing the two day shipping cause no one will be home otherwise. I don't plan on playing this though until december anyway...but i'll enjoy my bobblehead and clock :)

[MalReynolds]

im getting mine tomarrow for my 360 :)

[Mattism]

I will be getting my copy tomorrow for the 360 also. Yeah lunch at work will be fun!

[menage]

Can't wait for some impressions. That's the good thing about living in Europe. I actually get to read before I buy from you guys:).

[Harv]

Amazon is doing release date delivery for Prime customers so my copy for PC should be here tomorrow. Can't wait to get my Pipboy clock setup.

[Virtual Machine]

My Lunch box edition should be in hand tomorrow. I'm still on the fence between PS3 and 360 versions. Spent time with both versions over the weekend (rental copies). The PS3 version really looked about on par with the 360 version (and some elements looked a little better) but the glitch that wouldn't let me proceed past my GOAT kind of worried me.

[Variable Gear]

heh, they called me today, reminding me of my pre-order (as if I needed to be reminded of this game, I've been waiting ages for it) and said that they are starting the "party" at 10pm. I don't know who in their right mind goes to these things, and 2 hours prior at that, but I will be showing up briefly before midnight so I can grab my game and go. Screw the "party". lol:rolleyes:
I'll be at my Gamestop as well, although I will be fashionably late.

[MalReynolds]

My Lunch box edition should be in hand tomorrow. I'm still on the fence between PS3 and 360 versions. Spent time with both versions over the weekend (rental copies). The PS3 version really looked about on par with the 360 version (and some elements looked a little better) but the glitch that wouldn't let me proceed past my GOAT kind of worried me.

reason why im gonna get the 360 version

[crazyD]

A Fallout thread in Console Haven? Ouch.

[Virtual Machine]

a fallout thread in console haven? Ouch.

quiet you!

[Tayaya]

A Fallout thread in Console Haven? Ouch.

Yup. Some of us don't have an unlimited money supply to blow on constantly upgrading our graphics hardware, so we play with our TV game boxes instead. And we're more than happy to do so. 3-5 years (or 10 if you are Sony) of guaranteed compatibility/great performance for the price of just one of those video cards that make up just a part of your "monster rig." Diss it all you like, but you can't deny the value in it.

And this is coming from a guy that works at a graphics card manufacturer.

[Goronmon]

Yup. Some of us don't have an unlimited money supply to blow on constantly upgrading our graphics hardware, so we play with our TV game boxes instead.I think his point was that there is a "General Gaming" forum for cross-platform stuff, so it's weird to see a series that was originally made for the PC show up in the console specific sub-forum. :p

[violent]

A Fallout thread in Console Haven? Ouch.

Kids these days I tell you.

[crazyD]

Yup. Some of us don't have an unlimited money supply to blow on constantly upgrading our graphics hardware, so we play with our TV game boxes instead. And we're more than happy to do so. 3-5 years (or 10 if you are Sony) of guaranteed compatibility/great performance for the price of just one of those video cards that make up just a part of your "monster rig." Diss it all you like, but you can't deny the value in it.

And this is coming from a guy that works at a graphics card manufacturer.

Not that this is the appropriate place to say this, but PC gaming is not as expensive as it used to be. I have a pretty damned decent system, and my video card cost less then any of the systems on the market. And there are tons of other benefits to PC gaming, etc., etc. Goronmon is right, in that my comment was just an argument on the placement, as we do have a General Gaming forum, which would be more appropriate for a game with a prominent PC release.

[carnage11]

True, true, however at 12:15am tonight, when I'm happily playing through the beginnings of Fallout 3, you PC boys will still be deleting stuff for space, installing and possibly trying to find proper drivers, because there is always the inevitable problem with something not working. My friend is hilarious, because he'll buy a game for his PC, get it home and 10 minutes later be back at the store buying some hardware that he didn't realize he needed for the game. A lot of the games he buys for his PC end up costing him like $200 because he'll either need a new video card or more RAM or some crazy flight stick or other accessory. :p

[Dukefrukem]

A Fallout thread in Console Haven? Ouch.

Just for the record, I'm a hardcore PC guy, and I plan on buying this for the PS3 first. I think I found my niche with the PS3. I find playing games on it a lot more comfortable than at my keyboard.

[violent]

Just for the record, I'm a hardcore PC guy, and I plan on buying this for the PS3 first. I think I found my niche with the PS3. I find playing games on it a lot more comfortable than at my keyboard.

]I place a lot of importance in the concept of a home platform. Owning Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics on the PC, it's an absolute no-brainer. Also, any kind of DLC coming down the line will be a fraction of what will be available on the PC. That's not to say that the console version is a bad purchase. I think everyone should be exposed to some Fallout. No pun intended.

[crazyD]

True, true, however at 12:15am tonight, when I'm happily playing through the beginnings of Fallout 3, you PC boys will still be deleting stuff for space, installing and possibly trying to find proper drivers, because there is always the inevitable problem with something not working. My friend is hilarious, because he'll buy a game for his PC, get it home and 10 minutes later be back at the store buying some hardware that he didn't realize he needed for the game. A lot of the games he buys for his PC end up costing him like $200 because he'll either need a new video card or more RAM or some crazy flight stick or other accessory. :p

Or maybe, we keep up with our maintenance, and will be able to play it shortly after opening. If I have ever needed new hardware to play a game, I would know it well in advance, and there aren't all that many games that require extra peripherals to play. I would say far less then there are on consoles.

Just for the record, I'm a hardcore PC guy, and I plan on buying this for the PS3 first. I think I found my niche with the PS3. I find playing games on it a lot more comfortable than at my keyboard.

Clearly not hardcore enough!

[Dukefrukem]

Clearly not hardcore enough!


Well I can't argue with that, but when my new PC comes (Area-51), I'll be sure to cut back on my console purchases.

[Telefrog]

Fallout 3 on PC won't even exist as a concept to me until a couple more years pass and I decide to upgrade my computer.

I think it's entirely appropriate to have a separate console thread for Fallout 3 as the comments here will be centered around relating experiences, sharing Achievement advice, and spoilers. The PC Fallout 3 thread will have at least 20% of the comments filled with technical questions and bitching about various hardware or driver incompatibilities. I'm looking at you Oblivion, BioShock, and Assassin's Creed.

[MalReynolds]

i never was a PC gamer... i likes Diablo and Starcraft and thats about it

[Tayaya]

Not that this is the appropriate place to say this, but PC gaming is not as expensive as it used to be. I have a pretty damned decent system, and my video card cost less then any of the systems on the market. And there are tons of other benefits to PC gaming, etc., etc. Goronmon is right, in that my comment was just an argument on the placement, as we do have a General Gaming forum, which would be more appropriate for a game with a prominent PC release.

I know. I just wanted to put in my snarky justification for a Fallout thread being on a console forum. Even if he meant that it should be on the general board, after watching the DRM debacle on the first FarCry 2 thread, one still gets the idea that there's a lot of the PC/Console arguments going on even to this day.

Yes, PC gaming is getting pretty cheap these days, but the market for those "Enthusiast" level consumers is still huge as well. People that spend $1000 on a CPU, and $1800 on 3 video cards are still relatively common. My last gaming PC I built for less than $800 though, and got about 2 years of great performance out of it. Consoles are nice in the sense that everyone gets a unified platform, unified performance, and a relatively cheap price. You can build an $800 PC that will run most of the games that hit both PC and console just as well as the consoles can, but if you want that "better visual and gameplay " performance that the PC crowd boasts about, you're going to be spending significantly more in many cases.

I still game on my PC (well, my MacBook Pro, if you could call it a PC), but I find myself happier gaming on a console most of the time.

[Virtual Machine]

I'll reiterate - Purely for Public Service purposes

- There is one very serious issue that will force a complete restart early on in the PS3 version (when you write your GOAT test as a 16 year-old). I've encountered this issue on three separate PS3's now, and while it can be bypassed, it is certainly a pain in the ass. I would assume the game will be patched early on, but it's something to be aware of.

Other than that - the PS3 and 360 versions are pretty much too close to call.

[Ghostbear]

wow this thread got all defensive, and by "this thread" I meant Tayaya

[Crowe]

If we have learned anything here in this thread. It's that PC gaming rules!!!

[Variable Gear]

I wish that we could nuke this thread...

[Telefrog]

I wish that we could nuke this thread...

Don't worry. We'll have a similar thread once Left 4 Dead hits.

At least there won't be anything like this for Gears 2. :D

[J Arcane]

Don't worry. We'll have a similar thread once Left 4 Dead hits.

At least there won't be anything like this for Gears 2. :D
Or, you know, we could leave bad habits like that on EvAv where they belong and actually make this site something different.

But I guess trolling's more fun for some people than having a site where you can talk about things without having some jackass throw a screaming fit over something as silly as a platform choice.

[Telefrog]

Or, you know, we could leave bad habits like that on EvAv where they belong and actually make this site something different.

But I guess trolling's more fun for some people than having a site where you can talk about things without having some jackass throw a screaming fit over something as silly as a platform choice.

Well, I have yet to find an internet gaming forum that doesn't have this same arguments ad nauseum. Console war? Console versus PC? EA is evil? DRM is evil? Piracy numbers are inflated? Nintendo is for kids?

It seems to be inherent to gaming. :(

[Crowe]

Or, you know, we could leave bad habits like that on EvAv where they belong and actually make this site something different.

But I guess trolling's more fun for some people than having a site where you can talk about things without having some jackass throw a screaming fit over something as silly as a platform choice.

Agreed. There are pro's and con's to both PC's and Consoles. PC gaming is not expensive, nowhere near what trolls make it out to be, and they last a lot longer than is claimed by these haters.

It would be nice to stop seeing gamers here throwing the "it's too expensive", "good luck with patching" lines and all that other bullshit etc etc.

[Hyperglide]

5 finger discount for the win.

[Variable Gear]

At least there won't be anything like this for Gears 2. :D
Until the PC version is announced. :p

[Telefrog]

Agreed. There are pro's and con's to both PC's and Consoles. PC gaming is not expensive, nowhere near what trolls make it out to be, and they last a lot longer than is claimed by these haters.

It would be nice to stop seeing gamers here throwing the "it's too expensive", "good luck with patching" lines and all that other bullshit etc etc.

Part of the problem is that people apply their perspectives to everyone else's opinions and say they're wrong. A person that finds PCgaming too expensive and too technically troublesome will disagree with your points no matter how many newegg lists you make. To them, it is too expensive and troublesome.

On the flipside, a PC gaming hobbyist will look at the console experience and consider it artficially crippled, limited, and also "too expensive."

It's an argument that will never die.

[johnperkins21]

Also, any kind of DLC coming down the line will be a fraction of what will be available on the PC.

I'm not sure this is true. If there are mod tools, I'll definitely get this for the PC, but last I heard there won't be. So I'm probably looking at the 360 version.

RPS: Getting more technical – care to talk about the mod situation?

Folk probably took for granted that every time we make a game, there’s a mod tool. We explained to folk that it takes a lot of time and effort to get that tool ready for release, and it’s not on our schedule right now. We need to get the game done and out. It’s not to say we won’t do it. It’s that right now we have an enormous amount of work to do, for three platforms and all these different languages to get it out around the wall. Right now, we can’t say definitively “there will be mod tools, and here is when they’ll be out”. That work remains to be done.

RPS: There’s a Conspiracy Theory that would suggest that you’re removing the mod tools to make downloadable content more attractive. As in, if you get extra value for free, why buy the official stuff?

Hines: That’s a good theory, by the way. And probably on some level it would work… but from our standpoint, whenever we do an Elder Scrolls game and release those mod tools, it takes a ton of work and effort. This is a bigger undertaking for us, and one we’ve not yet scheduled for. Is that to say it’ll never come out? No, I’ll never say that. If we have the time, we’d absolutely like to put them out. As we’ve seen with Oblivion and Morrowind those things definitely create a sense of community and there’s tonnes of people out there modding. We have our own little blog we run from Bethesda, and every week we’re out there interviewing people from our mod community – so it’s clearly something we support, something we take interest in and something we place value in and spend a lot of time highlighting good mods. It’s just the tools take time. They don’t magically appear. Someone’s got to write help files for what all the scripts do, and get it released as a consumer product. Because it’s not in that state otherwise. Developers will make do with anything.

source: RockPaperShotgun.com interview (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/interview-pete-hines-on-fallout-3-mods/)

That's not very encouraging, but it's also not a definite "no" either.

[violent]

Let's just say that my experience with PC gaming leaves me with the utmost confidence.

[J Arcane]

I'm not sure this is true. If there are mod tools, I'll definitely get this for the PC, but last I heard there won't be. So I'm probably looking at the 360 version.



source: RockPaperShotgun.com interview (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/interview-pete-hines-on-fallout-3-mods/)

That's not very encouraging, but it's also not a definite "no" either.
So, if the mod tools amount to all this extra effort, what the hell did they use to develop the game in the first place?

Most games the first things you make are the tools, then you use them to build the rest of the game. Sure you might need to do a bit of cleanup on the UI and such to have it make sense to the end user, but the way they're describing it sounds like they're developing the damn things from scratch.

[Telefrog]

So, if the mod tools amount to all this extra effort, what the hell did they use to develop the game in the first place?

Most games the first things you make are the tools, then you use them to build the rest of the game. Sure you might need to do a bit of cleanup on the UI and such to have it make sense to the end user, but the way they're describing it sounds like they're developing the damn things from scratch.

In my experience, there's a world of difference between in-house design tools and tools you release for outside use, especially if they're meant to be used by people with relatively little coding knowledge. Calling most in-house tools "unfriendly" or "unstable" would be a compliment.

[TrackZero]

I just got called by EB today (because of the special edition I wanted, I know I know) to let me know it's in and I can pick it up tomorrow. Bastards. If it's in, let me buy it now!

[Jackel]

I'm not sure this is true. If there are mod tools, I'll definitely get this for the PC, but last I heard there won't be. So I'm probably looking at the 360 version.



source: RockPaperShotgun.com interview (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/interview-pete-hines-on-fallout-3-mods/)

That's not very encouraging, but it's also not a definite "no" either.

So, if the mod tools amount to all this extra effort, what the hell did they use to develop the game in the first place?

Most games the first things you make are the tools, then you use them to build the rest of the game. Sure you might need to do a bit of cleanup on the UI and such to have it make sense to the end user, but the way they're describing it sounds like they're developing the damn things from scratch.

In my experience, there's a world of difference between in-house design tools and tools you release for outside use, especially if they're meant to be used by people with relatively little coding knowledge. Calling most in-house tools "unfriendly" or "unstable" would be a compliment.

Once again....even if mod tools aren't released by Bethseda, you'll still see mods come out as the more technically orientated people will be able to figure out how to make changes to the content themselves. The mod tools just make things easier.

[Telefrog]

Once again....even if mod tools aren't released by Bethseda, you'll still see mods come out as the more technically orientated people will be able to figure out how to make changes to the content themselves. The mod tools just make things easier.

I... Agree? I'm not sure why I was quoted. I was just pointing out that the officially releasable tools for software are harder to package than just "cleaning up the UI" and tossing it out on the 'net.

[J Arcane]

In my experience, there's a world of difference between in-house design tools and tools you release for outside use, especially if they're meant to be used by people with relatively little coding knowledge. Calling most in-house tools "unfriendly" or "unstable" would be a compliment.
True, but remember too that they basically already had working mod tools in a sense, what with it being the same engine as Oblivion.

It just seems a little odd, and I don't entirely buy that it was some great burden that just couldn't be taken on at this time, especially with some two years of dev time logged on the game.

[johnperkins21]

Once again....even if mod tools aren't released by Bethseda, you'll still see mods come out as the more technically orientated people will be able to figure out how to make changes to the content themselves. The mod tools just make things easier.

I agree, but the number of mods will be greatly reduced if they don't release the tools. I'm not saying there won't be mods, just that the lack of tools may limit the number, especially in comparison to Oblivion.

[crazyD]

I agree, but the number of mods will be greatly reduced if they don't release the tools. I'm not saying there won't be mods, just that the lack of tools may limit the number, especially in comparison to Oblivion.

It will probably be enough to fix whatever Bethesda completely broke in the game, which is good enough for me.

[RandoM51]

The only mods that were really needed for Oblivion were the interface/UI mods to remove/reduce the rampant consolitus infesting every menu and the HUD.

[cppcrusader]

My copy just showed up here at the office. Apparently I have fat forearms, my PIP-Boy is just barely too small. I think I can solve that with a dremel though.

[Widgetcraft]

Made a new thread (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?p=47042#post47042), since this one is in the wrong forum, and has gone way off-topic.

[Telefrog]

Made a new thread (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?p=47042#post47042), since this one is in the wrong forum, and has gone way off-topic.

Good luck with that. This is the internet. No thread stays on topic beyond the 20th post.

[Ancalagon]

True, but remember too that they basically already had working mod tools in a sense, what with it being the same engine as Oblivion.

It just seems a little odd, and I don't entirely buy that it was some great burden that just couldn't be taken on at this time, especially with some two years of dev time logged on the game.

Theres more to an engine than the way it renders graphics though. In the case of the differences between fallout 3 and oblivion, the entire character system, as well as combat, was ripped out and replaced. Thats just too significant to expect the oblivion mod tools to be able to do anything useful. At best they could be used as basic map editors (laying down terrain etc) but probably wouldnt be good for even making quests.

I imagine their rationale for delaying the release of the mod tools is exactly what he says it is - so that they can polish them. Lets face it, Neverwinter Nights has shown that premium content - as long as it is well made - can still be sold along freely downloadable content. Also, its been shown that mod-ability extends a game's life considerable, something I'm sure bethesda is keenly aware of.

I think we should count our lucky stars that the fallout license landed in the lap of a talented and experienced developer, who doesnt even use DRM. What a perfect storm...

[carnage11]

Well, so I found out last night that you can't kill everyone like in Oblivion. I tried killing the Overseer's daughter and she just gets knocked unconscious and then gets up and runs away and she can run much faster than you. Lame!

[crazyD]

Well, so I found out last night that you can't kill everyone like in Oblivion. I tried killing the Overseer's daughter and she just gets knocked unconscious and then gets up and runs away and she can run much faster than you. Lame!

Well, I know you can't kill kids. Are there adults you can't kill? (I haven't played yet, and am assuming that the Overseer's daughter is a kid)

[Squidbot]

It's the same as Oblivion, you can't kill most of the Quest NPC's.

[crazyD]

It's the same as Oblivion, you can't kill most of the Quest NPC's.

Not even if they are a dick? Damnit.

[carnage11]

Well, I know you can't kill kids. Are there adults you can't kill? (I haven't played yet, and am assuming that the Overseer's daughter is a kid)

Well at the time I was trying to kill her I guess she was 19 the same age as me. I guess she must be linked to something pretty important. You seem to be able to kill everyone else though. I haven't left the vault yet, so it might just have something to do with the whole tutorial thing.

[quidmonkey]

As long as I can get a hooker for my dog.

[Variable Gear]

Good luck with that. This is the internet. No thread stays on topic beyond the 20th post.
Especially when posters want to argue about bullshit instead of trading their experiences...

[Tayaya]

Wow. I never thought what I wrote would be taken as defensive or *gasp* trolling. I leave for a day and I come back to a derailed thread, and feel like it's my fault.

Honestly, I was just trying to say that there are two sides to the PC gaming coin, and that I do see and understand both of them. I'm not going to go through trying to better explain it at this point.

I'm sorry I sparked the argument that I did.

Back to playing Fallout and finding a way to make a few caps for me.

[Mr. Murphy]

I actually haven't read this thread yet for fear of spoilers, I just wanted to say I got it for PS3 last night and just got out of the Vault and got to Megaton.

So far it has more annoyances than pleasures, to me, but then again, I hated Oblivion. I find the character models repulsive, I hate the way everybody talks at once when there are a bunch of people around - it's so loud! Everyone is at the same volume when they are all in the same room. The whole vault section felt really clumsy and boring to me, and I already have eight different outfits and a whole screen full of inventory items. I couldn't find my karma meter anywhere on my Pip-boy, and after playing with the face creator for some time, I quit in frustration. There are a million ways to change your face, and yet none of them can make him look anything like me, so what's the point?

I'm operating under the assumption that, much like Fallout 2, the game gets MUCH better after the first area. I wouldn't say I'm 'disappointed with Fallout 3' because it's still so early in the game, but I definitely feel the beginning was just overly long and kindof lame. I'm sure some of these other nitpicks won't feel like a big deal after I play a bit more.

[Cyndair]

I have to laugh. The only person who posted impressions of the game is the person who didn't read the thread.

[MalReynolds]

Fireant .... Bad

[Jboy001]

Fireant .... Bad

I HATE THEM... omg im now out of ammo and stimpaks :mad:

[cppcrusader]

Fireant .... Bad

I tried to sneak up on one to bash its head in. That's when this (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showpost.php?p=48142&postcount=52) happened.

[Virtual Machine]

If you're in Megaton, stay the fuck away from the Armory! Just don't. In fact - Run away from the Armory door screaming!

I wound up with the Armory key (through purely benevolent and honorable means), walked in, came face to face with, well, i won't say what it was, and tried to escape, only to have it follow me out the door, and have the entire effing town train weapons on me. This is AFTER i disarmed their goddamn A-bomb and turned Mr. Burke over to the Sherrif.

Ungrateful bastards.

To make matters worse, my previous save was about 2 hours previous (before i entered megaton) and the damn autosave kicked in AS i exited the Armory!

I should have just nuked the bastards.

[Telefrog]

To make matters worse, my previous save was about 2 hours previous (before i entered megaton) and the damn autosave kicked in AS i exited the Armory!

I should have just nuked the bastards.

Sounds like you may need to hop into the Autosave Poll (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=1763) and cast a vote. :D

[Virtual Machine]

Sounds like you may need to hop into the Autosave Poll (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=1763) and cast a vote. :D

Nah, my judgment would be harsh, rashly made based on my furious anger (i won't mention the time i lost over 11 hours in Oblivion thanks to an autosave...)

Maybe if each autosave was anew slot so it could slowly devour the contents of your hard drive - that would be cool.

[sparkfizt]

I'm a few hrs in and have enjoyed it quite a bit so far. The environments are well done, and it's kinda creepy foraging in decrepit houses. I do feel the lock picking and hacking mechanics are some of the best I've seen to date. I am surprised radiation Is'nt all that dangerous... I figured you'd rot health or something more dramatic then some stat debuffs. I've also never gone above 600 rads and I figure 1k rads is probably death.

[Wedge]

10 hours in, and after a slow and underwhelming start the game got a grip on me. I like it. I like it alot, but I am not ready to declare it Fallout-motherfucking-3 yet, if you catch my drift. At the moment it is taking itself way too seriously.

It is also surprisingly bug-free. 10 hours and no bugs (that I've noticed). Knock on wood.

[cppcrusader]

It is also surprisingly bug-free. 10 hours and no bugs (that I've noticed). Knock on wood.

You've been lucky. I've barely been able to get an uninterrupted hour of play because of crashes. I know Bethsoft games are typically buggy as hell but this is just getting ridiculous. The real oddity is the fact that I only crashed twice while playing Oblivion.

[Nerdious]

So about 5 hours in and it's very well made. So far it doesn't really fill the series shoes but it has time to grow on me. I really like Fallout: Tactics and I feel that is where they pulled their humor from, though it doesn't quite have that same Fallout charm.

Although the gameplay is solid. VATS is incredible to use making for strategic battlefield decisions, without overpowering you. One piece of advice for console users, hold B (or O on PS3) for your torch, wasn't immediately obvious but makes a world of difference.

Also a mini-nuke launcher should be in every game.

[TheEvilNarwhale]

So far I am loving it. VATS is great. I just wish I didn't feel underpowered when I have 3 super mutants running at me and a behemoth trying to mow me down with a minigun. There are not nearly enough stimpacks around. Favorite moment so far Convincing a robot I was Thomas Jefferson and taking the Declaration of Independence

[Scaryfaced]

So far I am loving it. VATS is great. I just wish I didn't feel underpowered when I have 3 super mutants running at me and a behemoth trying to mow me down with a minigun. There are not nearly enough stimpacks around. Favorite moment so far Convincing a robot I was Thomas Jefferson and taking the Declaration of Independence

No kidding. For some unknown reason, I decided to make a super strong, super dumb melee character right off the bat. Melee is HARD. I didn't realize how tough it would be to actually make it to within melee range without being picked off. I end up trying to straff but being hit almost constantly. However, the pay off is completely worth it. VATS with a sledge hammer is pure magic. I critical strike more often than not, which usually ends in limbs exploding and bodies flying.

I gotta say I'm really impressed with the animation in VATS. If you string together a few melee attacks, you swing realistically. You can't target specific points, but you end up swinging for the sweet spots anyway. There's a few times I've taken a down swing, then an immediate up swing, launching enemies into the air. It's really, really, really cool.
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[biosc1]

No kidding. For some unknown reason, I decided to make a super strong, super dumb melee character right off the bat. Melee is HARD. I didn't realize how tough it would be to actually make it to within melee range without being picked off. I end up trying to straff but being hit almost constantly. However, the pay off is completely worth it. VATS with a sledge hammer is pure magic. I critical strike more often than not, which usually ends in limbs exploding and bodies flying.

I gotta say I'm really impressed with the animation in VATS. If you string together a few melee attacks, you swing realistically. You can't target specific points, but you end up swinging for the sweet spots anyway. There's a few times I've taken a down swing, then an immediate up swing, launching enemies into the air. It's really, really, really cool.

ach....don't tell me that...for some reason, I've decided to become melee focused as well...and unarmed combat (I was thinking of being a ninja monk, walk on the light side, but carry fists of stone) ;)

[Loki]

How is it compared to Oblivion? Is it just Oblivion with guns? Is it structured, or the lack there of, the same? Do the monsters level with you? Is the main quest actually interesting?

[Scaryfaced]

How is it compared to Oblivion? Is it just Oblivion with guns? Is it structured, or the lack there of, the same? Do the monsters level with you? Is the main quest actually interesting?

Better than Oblivion. No, there's more to it this time around. There's little structure, but really, who expects to have their hand held in a Fallout game? No, the monsters don't level as far as I can tell. So far, the main quest is very interesting.

Alright, i'll expand a little. Essentially, its going to give you the same experience as other Bethesda titles. You collect quests, randomly explore a huge world, loot and steal, take naps and wait places to heal, autosave only after entering or exiting buildings....its still going to generally feel like an Elderscrolls game. If you can't stand that kind of game, there's little reason to even be interested. Still, it's already vastly more interesting than Oblivion. The combat's enjoyable and VATS adds alot to the experience. It feels much more visceral with the new gibs and slow mo deaths. The world is alot more fun to explore, you can tell they took the idea of a smaller world with more packed into it seriously. The dialogue is far better than Oblivion's bland, repetative crap. It isn't exactly Fallout's black humor, but they got pretty close. It's acutally challenging this time around, so expect to die and save often.

Ummm yeah. I'm having a good time and would recomend it. Just don't fool yourself if you expect an entirely different experience from Bethesda.
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[Purple Santa]

Well I can't argue with that, but when my new PC comes (Area-51), I'll be sure to cut back on my console purchases.
So this mean you won't be posting in the console threads anymore? Promise? ;)

I have to laugh. The only person who posted impressions of the game is the person who didn't read the thread.
Intelligent life in the thread? On the internet? Who knew:eek:

My copy should be coming in today. I'll do what i've been doing with the hot titles coming out lately...pop it in, give it a test drive...then back to the box it goes till I have time after December 17th or so...FU to school....

[National Kato]

One piece of advice for console users, hold B (or O on PS3) for your torch, wasn't immediately obvious but makes a world of difference.

I knew to do this, but had forgotten when I entered:

the Super Duper Mart.

So I'm crouched in the darkness, crippled and bleeding, out of ammo, listening to raiders scan for me and try to lure me out. I'm panicked. Then I turn on my Pip-Boy light and voila! All around me are stimpaks and 10mm bullets. :eek:

[Squidbot]

The Pip boy light will affect your stealth, by the way.

[cppcrusader]

The Pip boy light will affect your stealth, by the way.

That it does. An unfortunate discovery when you're trying to access your Pip boy while sneaking up on several raiders and all of a sudden you're lit up like a god damn Christmas tree.

[TheFlyingOrc]

So, I've glitched my game twice now.

First, the Lyons decided not to help me anymore on my way to GNR.

Second, I paid Nova for...umm...services. She went upstairs and climbed into the bed. I talked to her, and then she left the room.

Now I have the room permanently, it seems, and Nova never gave me what I paid for.

[National Kato]

Now I have the room permanently, it seems, and Nova never gave me what I paid for.

Good luck waiting for her to do anything to you. It doesn't happen. The only thing you can do is sleep next to her. As soon as you talk to her, she's done. What do you normally do with a woman in bed? Talk all night? ;)

[biosc1]

Better than Oblivion. No, there's more to it this time around. There's little structure, but really, who expects to have their hand held in a Fallout game? No, the monsters don't level as far as I can tell. So far, the main quest is very interesting.

The popular theory out is that the monsters match your level when you entered a new zone, but don't level up after that which, if true, is a perfect balance.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Good luck waiting for her to do anything to you. It doesn't happen. The only thing you can do is sleep next to her. As soon as you talk to her, she's done. What do you normally do with a woman in bed? Talk all night? ;)

Well, I can't hire her again now. :(

[Mortis]

I ran into a problem with an achievement not unlocking last night, if you want the achievement for the following in his footsteps quest do not go to rivet city and talk to the scientist before completing it. Luckily I had another save I could go back to so I could complete it before going to rivet city again.

[Blue]

I'm loving it so far. Finished the Wasteland Survival Guide chain which was a lot of fun and gave you a good scope of what the game can offer overall. As of now I'm sitting just shy of level 6 focusing on small guns, explosives and a bit of a science/lockpicking mix. Really digging the game so far.

My only frustration is I'm working on the quest for Lucy West from Megaton where you find her family and I'm cold stuck. I feel like I've looked everywhere and I'm not making any headway.

[Blue]

I ran into a problem with an achievement not unlocking last night, if you want the achievement for the following in his footsteps quest do not go to rivet city and talk to the scientist before completing it. Luckily I had another save I could go back to so I could complete it before going to rivet city again.

I did this too though I wasn't aware there was an achievement attached to the quest. It just showed up as completed even though I never went to GNR and just-so-happened to stumble upon the Dr. Li. And here I thought I was just good at exploring.

[Mortis]

I did this too though I wasn't aware there was an achievement attached to the quest. It just showed up as completed even though I never went to GNR and just-so-happened to stumble upon the Dr. Li. And here I thought I was just good at exploring.

Yeah, I completed the survival guide quest early by talking the girl out of doing the book and got that achievement fine so it may just be a bug with this one quest and not the fact that we didn't actually do it. I guess following in his footsteps eventually leads to the Dr.?

For the Lucy quest what part are you stuck on? After you go to that first town you need to go into the metro station it marks on the map and there is a tunnel down there that leads to the family. Use the local map when you are in the tunnels to help locate it.

[Blue]

Yeah, that's what I had assumed or at least hoped as I don't want to miss too much.

[Soap]

No kidding. For some unknown reason, I decided to make a super strong, super dumb melee character right off the bat. Melee is HARD. I didn't realize how tough it would be to actually make it to within melee range without being picked off. I end up trying to straff but being hit almost constantly. However, the pay off is completely worth it. VATS with a sledge hammer is pure magic. I critical strike more often than not, which usually ends in limbs exploding and bodies flying.

I gotta say I'm really impressed with the animation in VATS. If you string together a few melee attacks, you swing realistically. You can't target specific points, but you end up swinging for the sweet spots anyway. There's a few times I've taken a down swing, then an immediate up swing, launching enemies into the air. It's really, really, really cool.


Can you target specific body parts while Melee or Unarmed fighting with VATS? My skills are pretty low so far and I can't seem to do it. If you can, would you please post the minimum stat level required?

[Young Al Capone]

Can you target specific body parts while Melee or Unarmed fighting with VATS? My skills are pretty low so far and I can't seem to do it. If you can, would you please post the minimum stat level required?

Says there in the thing you quoted that you can't.

[Soap]

Says there in the thing you quoted that you can't.

Damn, my reading comprehension is a little off today. The coffee has not kicked in.

[Young Al Capone]

Damn, my reading comprehension is a little off today. The coffee has not kicked in.

Drink moar with plenty of sugar and cream, it might ruin the taste but the feeling is wonderful. I doubt it will help with the reading comprehension though, I tend to become very unfocused when I am all hopped up like that.

[Soap]

Drink moar with plenty of sugar and cream, it might ruin the taste but the feeling is wonderful. I doubt it will help with the reading comprehension though, I tend to become very unfocused when I am all hopped up like that.

I'm drinking like 20 ounces of press pot coffee here. I'll be hopped up pretty soon.

Have you been getting motion sick from playing Fallout3 for a long time? I noticed that my head hurts after 4-5 hours of play. Maybe it's from moving around alot when I'm trying to fight multiple super mutants in real time.

[Young Al Capone]

Not me, I haven't even played. I am just browsing the two threads to see if the game is for me.

[Soap]

Not me, I haven't even played. I am just browsing the two threads to see if the game is for me.

What is holding you back? If you have questions, I'll try to answer them.

Oh yeah, Lockpick can be a little tough...but you can always back out and save your bobby pins after the 2nd attempt. If you fail on the 3rd, it breaks.

[Mortis]

One complaint I have is drug addiction, I used that buff drug twice and became addicted! That seems a little extreme, the withdraws were crazy and made everything blurry at a very bad time. It should be like 5+ times in a small window to become addicted.

[violent]

One complaint I have is drug addiction, I used that buff drug twice and became addicted! That seems a little extreme, the withdraws were crazy and made everything blurry at a very bad time. It should be like 5+ times in a small window to become addicted.

Harmless??

[Squidbot]

Not me, I haven't even played. I am just browsing the two threads to see if the game is for me.

Buy it, you shpick, or Jimmy C will hate you.

[Soap]

One complaint I have is drug addiction, I used that buff drug twice and became addicted! That seems a little extreme, the withdraws were crazy and made everything blurry at a very bad time. It should be like 5+ times in a small window to become addicted.

I've used buff about 5 times with no addiction and Jet twice and I'm still in the clear. You might want to get the Chemical resistance Perk if you plan on being a druggie.

[Mortis]

Harmless??

I'm not sure what else is affected by the addiction or if it is different for each type of drug. The blur was pretty annoying and happened frequently, I was getting jumped by a room full of zombies at one point during withdrawls!

[CptTripps]

Part of the problem is that people apply their perspectives to everyone else's opinions and say they're wrong. A person that finds PCgaming too expensive and too technically troublesome will disagree with your points no matter how many newegg lists you make. To them, it is too expensive and troublesome.

On the flipside, a PC gaming hobbyist will look at the console experience and consider it artficially crippled, limited, and also "too expensive."

It's an argument that will never die.

I guess I fit somewhere between. I have been a money spending PC whore since my P100 until now. But... I think the current consoles are pretty kickass machines and unless the controls really bother me I like to play from the couch. Now, I have done the HTPC setup with good results but could never get used to the KB\M on the couch.

The only games I refuse to get on Consoles are RTS and MMO at this point. Back in the day I would argue KB/M until death, but now that I'm used to it and everyone else has the same handicap, it just does not bother me.

Anyway, how is Fallout 3 anyone? Do I need to run out at lunch and grab this?

[Mortis]

Anyway, how is Fallout 3 anyone? Do I need to run out at lunch and grab this?

Do you like games that are totally awesome? If so then yes, you need to buy this.

[Ancalagon]

I guess I fit somewhere between. I have been a money spending PC whore since my P100 until now. But... I think the current consoles are pretty kickass machines and unless the controls really bother me I like to play from the couch. Now, I have done the HTPC setup with good results but could never get used to the KB\M on the couch.

The only games I refuse to get on Consoles are RTS and MMO at this point. Back in the day I would argue KB/M until death, but now that I'm used to it and everyone else has the same handicap, it just does not bother me.

Anyway, how is Fallout 3 anyone? Do I need to run out at lunch and grab this?

I think if I didnt already own a kick ass PC, I would have already bought a console. They are just too cheap to not consider - you would have to buy a lot of games for them to get as pricy as even a cheap gaming PC.

The thing is, I think PC gaming is largely for those who either want one machine that can do it all, or like tinkering and upgrading. I like tinkering and upgrading, I dont like one size fits all, so I like choosing my case, case accessories and other components. Yes, its more expensive, but its worth it to me.

[Xydarc]

Fallout 3 would have been a definitely PC purchase for me; however, with the delaying of the mod tools, I may just have to pick up the PS3 version.

[carnage11]

It's nice that you can still move (slowly) while over encumbered. I walked from the super-duper mart to Megaton while I was carrying over 100 lbs more then I could. It took quite a while, needless to say, but, I dumped it all off and am now ready to rock again. I hated in Oblivion when you became over encumbered you couldn't move at all. It got me killed in a few situations.

[Mortis]

It's nice that you can still move (slowly) while over encumbered. I walked from the super-duper mart to Megaton while I was carrying over 100 lbs more then I could. It took quite a while, needless to say, but, I dumped it all off and am now ready to rock again. I hated in Oblivion when you became over encumbered you couldn't move at all. It got me killed in a few situations.

I'm impatient so I got the perk that lets me carry 50 lbs more. It is nice to still be able to move though.

[Virtual Machine]

It's nice that you can still move (slowly) while over encumbered. I walked from the super-duper mart to Megaton while I was carrying over 100 lbs more then I could. It took quite a while, needless to say, but, I dumped it all off and am now ready to rock again. I hated in Oblivion when you became over encumbered you couldn't move at all. It got me killed in a few situations.

Could you still fast travel?

[carnage11]

Could you still fast travel?

negative. all you can do is walk at a snails pace. good enough for me though.

ill also add that you can't jump either. so if theres a small speed bump in front of you.....you have to walk around it..lol.

[ClannerDelta]

Let me start off by saying that I wasn't going to pick it up. I didn't like the vanilla Oblivion experience at all. It took a substantial amount of mods to turn it into the game that I now love.

So, once they announced that they hadn't started work on the mod tools and that they wouldn't be out at release. I decided that I wasn't going to pick up the game until I saw if they had killed the mod community.

Fate decided otherwise. Was given to me as a gift. So I had to try it.

Seems pretty solid so far. Though the inventory seems pretty clunky, but I'm getting used to it. The only thing nagging at me is... how did these old ass computers survive a nuclear war?

[KingGorilla]

I'm not sure what else is affected by the addiction or if it is different for each type of drug. The blur was pretty annoying and happened frequently, I was getting jumped by a room full of zombies at one point during withdrawls!

You may have glossed over your perks, some have trade offs, one for sure makes you highly susceptible to addiction.

[sparkfizt]

Seems pretty solid so far. Though the inventory seems pretty clunky, but I'm getting used to it. The only thing nagging at me is... how did these old ass computers survive a nuclear war?

vacuum tubes not affected by EMP?:P

[ClannerDelta]

vacuum tubes not affected by EMP?:P

I would be more astonished by Vacuum tubes surviving a slight sneeze, let alone the blastwave of a nuclear weapon. :D

[Young Al Capone]

Buy it, you shpick, or Jimmy C will hate you.

Jimmy C loves me, he told me yesterday when I picked up the collectors edition. He also said I am weak willed when it comes to anything post apocalyptic, but that it is a good trait so no big deal.

Some slight spoilers below, if you haven't left the vault.

I started last night, and just made way to megaton. I am playing as Rayne Desskoo, the post apocalyptic/cyberpunk/antihero who fled the vault after murdering the Overseer for what he did to my father and his partner, and also killed Butch for being a dick.

I like what I have seen so far, Megaton is fucking rad looking. I am hoping to put some good time into it this weekend, but we wll see, what with the festivities and all.