Guitar Hero World Tour Thread

[Disgustipated]

While most of us on CoG are Rock Band fanboys, I decided to Gamefly GH World Tour. The track list looks AWESOME. At The Drive In, Tool, Muse, The Mars Volta... some of my favorite bands! I haven't really checked the previews but I'll check it out for the track list alone. Gamefly shipped it today so I should have it on Monday.

So, anyone picking this up and needs a drummer/bad-ass bassist? :)

[divinechaos]

Renting it but I have low expectations for GH. My friends that have played the demo say it doesn't touch RB in any way shape or form. Still, the set list is pretty alright.

[Variable Gear]

I'm picking it up tonight and I could use the help of a bad-ass drummer/bassist.

I'm just worried that I won't even be able to play Hard in GH after all the RB I've played...

[Disgustipated]

I'm picking it up tonight and I could use the help of a bad-ass drummer/bassist.

I'm just worried that I won't even be able to play Hard in GH after all the RB I've played...

I have that same fear. I'm a Hard/Expert Bassist (depending on how insane the song is), and a Hard drummer. Hopefully Neversoft learned their lesson and made the songs a lot more fun.

I'll have to hit you up on Monday. Won't have it tonight.

[Wolvie]

I just reserved and paid GH:WT off today. I forgot to do so, so I got that down while I picked up a second used GH3 guitar since my RB1 guitar is dying a slow death and has become unresponsive and unreliable.

I'll be playing this all day till about 4 PM tomorrow. And probably more around 8 PM after I get back from my brothers place.

[Murtaug]

I have this coming from Gamefly, along with Rock Revolution (which will probably be promptly returned). Rock Band turned me from the Guitar Hero games, hopefully this one is fun, the track list sure looks good.

[Wolvie]

I have this coming from Gamefly, along with Rock Revolution (which will probably be promptly returned). Rock Band turned me from the Guitar Hero games, hopefully this one is fun, the track list sure looks good.

I wonder how much time will be spent with the "innovations" this game has? I personally view them as "gimmicks" but people like my bro-in-law seem to be totally sold on them.
I just wonder if he's right and they'll be awesome game selling features, or am I right and they'll be neat extra's I'll play with for about five minutes a piece before I get back to playing the actual game.

At any rate the track list looks solid, and the feature list looks pretty cool. That and I can never go wrong with a RB/GH music rhythm game, so I'm sure I'll have a blast.

[Murtaug]

I wonder how much time will be spent with the "innovations" this game has? I personally view them as "gimmicks" but people like my bro-in-law seem to be totally sold on them.
I just wonder if he's right and they'll be awesome game selling features, or am I right and they'll be neat extra's I'll play with for about five minutes a piece before I get back to playing the actual game.

At any rate the track list looks solid, and the feature list looks pretty cool. That and I can never go wrong with a RB/GH music rhythm game, so I'm sure I'll have a blast.

The only thing I really know about World Tour, that it has as an innovation (outside anything new the hardware brings) is the music creator. I have no real interest in using it, I am interested in what others do with it though; I am sure there will be some amazing stuff in the future.

I probably will not put a lot of time into the game, with Fallout hitting next week, as well as Far Cry 2 coming from Gamefly as well, not to mention Fable which I am still enjoying the hell out of. I can snag either Far Cry or World Tour for $40 from them, I lean towards Far Cry.

[Wolvie]

The only thing I really know about World Tour, that it has as an innovation (outside anything new the hardware brings) is the music creator. I have no real interest in using it, I am interested in what others do with it though; I am sure there will be some amazing stuff in the future.

Yeah, my bro-in-law and another friend of mine are acting like the music editor is the second coming. I personally think it will be cool, but I'm skeptical about the amount of time I'll be spending on it. Probably not that much. Thank god there's a free game attached to this music editing software! :D

[Purple Santa]

While most of us on CoG are Rock Band fanboys, I decided to Gamefly GH World Tour. The track list looks AWESOME. At The Drive In, Tool, Muse, The Mars Volta... some of my favorite bands! I haven't really checked the previews but I'll check it out for the track list alone. Gamefly shipped it today so I should have it on Monday.

So, anyone picking this up and needs a drummer/bad-ass bassist? :)

I realized I have a few empty places on my Gamefly and nothing I need to rent (i'm buying LBP and Fallout 3) so I thought I throw this one on my list. So i'll be looking for a drummer...never did co-op cooperative before...should be fun...

[King3567]

You stole this thread from me!

[carnage11]

Does Gamefly send you the instruments as well? Or is it like Blockbuster, where you only get the game? I kinda want to just rent this one, but I'd like to try out the new instruments.

[Variable Gear]

Thank god there's a free game attached to this music editing software! :D
You can say that again. I haven't played a fun song yet, though I have been playing on hard.

[Wasson_]

A fun song yet? off the music editor? or the tracklist?

me am confused.

[Variable Gear]

A fun song yet? off the music editor? or the tracklist?

me am confused.
I'm sorry that that was confusing. I meant songs from the music editor.

Hopefully we'll see some better ones as people get more familiar with the toolset, but I'm not holding my breath.

[King3567]

I've looked at a bunch of songs from the editor on YouTube and they are abysmal. Though, it's only the first day and the truly dedicated will probably take time and effort on their songs. I've also watched some of the songs (haven't bought this yet) and they look really easy, like easier than Rock Band easy. How's the difficulty shaping up (and what is the hardest song?)?

[Disgustipated]

You stole this thread from me!

Get a life. :p

Does Gamefly send you the instruments as well? Or is it like Blockbuster, where you only get the game? I kinda want to just rent this one, but I'd like to try out the new instruments.

You only get the game. Which is fine by me, I have everything I need. :D

[King3567]

Get a life. :p


I'm just saying, was it really necessary to create a new thread and simply adding the word, "thread" in the title?:p

[divinechaos]

So I've played it for about 4 hours and I gotta say... It's pretty meh. The animations are just horrible to say the least. What the drummer plays doesn't even match up to the real music. The guitarist still looks like a machine and still plays like a machine. They do very little moving around. And there are some songs where the vocalist is just...singing before the song even starts. Weak.

The charts are pretty easy compared to what GH3 was like. They definately learned their lesson and actually listened to the song and charted it right. The song selection is also pretty damn good, but after playing the songs we wanted we had no interest in continue playing.

The character models are awful and so is the Create a Rocker. They give you the option to morph your character's face but they all have the same facial structure. Meaning that if you wanted to get rid of their enourmous chins and jaws you couldn't because that's just the way they look... Always. Their clothing is pretty interesting but you get different styles depending on who your starter model is. If you start with a Goth guy you'll get specific goth clothes that you can't get with anyone else. This is a problem for me because sometimes I just like to try on stuff for the hell of it.

The way the HUD is set up is also a bit troubling. The band shares Star Power and the meter for that is on the top left, as well as the Rock Meter. I found myself missing notes because I was trying to figure out how much SP we had left. Oh, and once ONE person fails EVERYONE fails. There's no saving, no excuses. One person fucks up, everyone dies.

You get a LOT of money compared to RB but you get to use that money to BUY gigs. You have to PAY TO PLAY A GIG. Dumbest shit ever. We wanted to play Tool and we couldn't because we needed $1000 more. Every gig unlocks a piece of clothing, all we have unlocked so far are bracelets, bracelets and more bracelets.

We tried recording something but we didn't have the patience for it. I play real guitar and I assure that it's much easier to actually write something in real life than to do it in GH. We did download a song though that is extremely tough and fun to play.

The sound mixing is also lacking. Some songs sound louder than others, and some tracks aren't as loud as you'd wish them to be. The sound of the solo drums are louder than the actual drum track in some songs.

As for the peripherals, we're playing with Gh2 and RB2 equipment so I can't tell ya how the GHWT stuff works. But I can say this, all this stuff works really well. My brother took a while to figure out to do Star Power on the RB set but eventually we found out that it was Yellow and Blue together. The "tapping" sections work really well and are pretty easy to nail. The window for hitting notes is more like GH3 so you have all the freedom in the world. The lag also wasn't as bad for me as it was in Gh3, mainly because they've fixed the time you have to hit notes. It feels like a medium between GH3 and RB.

Overall, it's pretty mediocre. It does not touch RB2 in any way shape or form. It's a LOT better than GH3 but I can't imagine this being favored over RB at parties. That and the way Activision is announcing GH titles I have no hope for any sort of decent flow of DLC. Rent it, and see what you think but I've definately made my decision.

[Mike Kelehan]

I got it today. If you get this instead of Rock Band 2, you're a fool. If you're sick of RB2 already or are completely into music games like myself, sure, but everyone else should just get RB2.

[carnage11]

Well I rented it today from Blockbuster. I figured I'd use the RB drums and the GH3 guitar. So far, I am going to agree with divinechaos here. It's pretty meh. I really don't like the UI, and the note charts aren't what they should be. For instance, Eye of the Tiger, RB seems to be spot on, but GH:WT seems to add notes that aren't there, or doesn't have notes that should be there. Like the open high hats, I guess it could be the fact that I'm not using their drums.:rolleyes:

The star power activation is fucking stupid on drums. Basically you have to miss some notes to hit the blue and yellow pads to activate it. There's not really ever a spot to do it otherwise. Some songs have an empty section, but Beat It for instance is constant drumming the whole time so you really don't have a good time to activate SP as a drummer. RB's fills is a MUCH better idea IMO.

Like divine said, the characters are butt ugly and they all look like the singer from GH3. RB's characters move and react more realistically and it just looks better. When you're watching RB it looks like an actual video for a band, whereas GH:WT looks just like GH3.

I also don't like the background of the note charts. After playing for about an hour the notes start to blend into the background and you'll miss notes that you just don't see. Also, the round notes make it difficult to determine some beats. There is only a line on every beat, so it's also difficult to determine 8th notes and 16th notes especially when hitting more than one pad.

As for guitar, I've not played much but what I have played seems a lot like other GHs. It does seem a bit easier, and now there are chords that you have to add notes to in the middle of holding the other notes. That took some getting used to, and if you haven't played it you probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but you'll see and know when you get to a part like that.

Here's a crude picture of what I mean.

Most chords look like this:

__O--------
__O--------

but now some chords are like this:

___O---------
_______O-----

where you'll have to hold one note and then hit and hold another note later while still holding the first note. A little different and it's actually kinda nice. So far I like the song selection, though the songs will get old eventually and I don't see a DLC option like in RB actually happening in GH:WT. I have not touched the create a song feature at all yet, so I can't comment on that. I've also only played solo so I don't know about playing as a band yet. You do get a lot more money and it's pretty cool because you get money for things like getting 5 stars, or not ever going into the red, etc. It also has a pretty good little story line, like there was in GH3, that's one thing that RB1/2 seems to be lacking.

I'll play some more today, and maybe come back if I have any more comments.

edit: Also I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but they took an idea from Rock Band which I think was a no brainer, but now you can continue to get more star power while it's already deployed. So, no more missing star powers because you didn't activate it at the right time or no more wasting star power because you didn't activate it at the right time.

[King3567]

Well, you guys got me all psyched up for this but now everyone is saying it's "meh". I'll probably be getting this tomorrow because it'll be a nice break from Rock Band. My main hope is that next year's music games take the best from each other and we start seeing some truly amazing things. It seems like Rock Band has the actual gameplay and music down whereas Guitar Hero has the whole community and options thing. This year hasn't bee so great for music games as a whole. Rock Band 2, while it is my favorite music game, is just a glorified expansion pack and Guitar Hero World Tour tries some nice new things, but seems to fall flat on its ass if what you guys speak is the truth.

[Karak]

Well, you guys got me all psyched up for this but now everyone is saying it's "meh". I'll probably be getting this tomorrow because it'll be a nice break from Rock Band. My main hope is that next year's music games take the best from each other and we start seeing some truly amazing things. It seems like Rock Band has the actual gameplay and music down whereas Guitar Hero has the whole community and options thing. This year hasn't bee so great for music games as a whole. Rock Band 2, while it is my favorite music game, is just a glorified expansion pack and Guitar Hero World Tour tries some nice new things, but seems to fall flat on its ass if what you guys speak is the truth.

I think its great. And disagree with about everything people have said negative. I love Rock Band, and GHWT isn't perfect but the create a character is amazing, the graphics ARE nice and I LOVE how the arena's change as you play. Its tiny things like that that I notice right away. The cuts are also alot better in GHWT when it comes to leads and such.. And strangely I feel that the animations and playing are spot on. I have put up Eye of the Tiger and the animations fit great. The game is a blast.
It won't replace RB2 but it is at LEAST equal to it.

[Karak]

Yeah, my bro-in-law and another friend of mine are acting like the music editor is the second coming. I personally think it will be cool, but I'm skeptical about the amount of time I'll be spending on it. Probably not that much. Thank god there's a free game attached to this music editing software! :D

I have now created 3-4 songs and worked on mastering another and really dialing it in.
Here are some of the things I found in the music maker
Pros: Amazingly powerful for a console music maker. The ability to lay down the tracks, beat record, live record, adjust pitch by moving the guitar as you play. Looping and tracks. You can lay down something easy in maybe 15 minutes, something awesome in 1 hour and a REALLY good song in maybe 2-3 hours if its short.
The ability to have TONS of different instrument effects changes every song. Throw in a country banjo sounding guitar into a industrial song and it turns WICKED fast.
Cons: Control is with the guitar unless you sign in with a controler...then you wouldn't want to play the recording parts:(. So basically I just use the guitar for it all and the digital pad.
All in all, I liked it because you did NOT need to be awesome to make something. That's the whole point. You don't need to be.

[King3567]

Karak, you made me want to get this game again!

[Disgustipated]

I'm just saying, was it really necessary to create a new thread and simply adding the word, "thread" in the title?:p

Well, for one, I didn't search for your thread. I figured nobody cared enough to make a thread. Second, get over it. :p

[Karak]

Karak, you made me want to get this game again!
:)
I have 14 hours in it so far. 3 songs, downloaded a couple as well. The funny thing. The ones made by the staff SUCK compared to the one uploaded by people already.
Be on the lookout for "Unicorn Sleepover Disaster" And Pedobear Gift:)
Sorry that last one even creeps me out.

[Thanasimos]

It's the first guitar hero game I've played, and the first of all those in the genre. This stuff's pretty fun. I put my first two hours in today, and I'm up to "Hard"

Started with beginner, and found out that all I had to do was strum. Wasn't pleased.

[Wolvie]

I have now created 3-4 songs and worked on mastering another and really dialing it in.
Here are some of the things I found in the music maker
Pros: Amazingly powerful for a console music maker. The ability to lay down the tracks, beat record, live record, adjust pitch by moving the guitar as you play. Looping and tracks. You can lay down something easy in maybe 15 minutes, something awesome in 1 hour and a REALLY good song in maybe 2-3 hours if its short.
The ability to have TONS of different instrument effects changes every song. Throw in a country banjo sounding guitar into a industrial song and it turns WICKED fast.
Cons: Control is with the guitar unless you sign in with a controler...then you wouldn't want to play the recording parts:(. So basically I just use the guitar for it all and the digital pad.
All in all, I liked it because you did NOT need to be awesome to make something. That's the whole point. You don't need to be.

Yeah I toyed around with the mode today and it just felt like a bit of time and effort would be needed to make even a decent song. I'll try to see if I can make some heavy metal tunes with it soon.
I understand your dismay with the fact that you actually have to lay down frets by playing them with the guitar... I was kinda hoping for a point and click interface like a PC music editor would have.

But despite that I hope that this is an editing tool that requires no musical skill, as you and videos from Neversoft seem to indicate. I'm pretty creative, so I hope it's not too patience wearing, and I end up using it for five minutes and moving on like I initially thought I would.

[Karak]

Yeah I toyed around with the mode today and it just felt like a bit of time and effort would be needed to make even a decent song. I'll try to see if I can make some heavy metal tunes with it soon.
I understand your dismay with the fact that you actually have to lay down frets by playing them with the guitar... I was kinda hoping for a point and click interface like a PC music editor would have.

But despite that I hope that this is an editing tool that requires no musical skill, as you and videos from Neversoft seem to indicate. I'm pretty creative, so I hope it's not too patience wearing, and I end up using it for five minutes and moving on like I initially thought I would.

Ya it's awesome. I have a bit of a headstart. I have been mixing with Abel. Musicmaker, Fruity and so forth for about 6 years. But I just had my girlfriend who knows NOTHING about that kind of thing. And within about 1 hour she had a cool beat and was actually freestyling on the guitar. That's probably the best part. Turning on record and wailing.

[Whunpo]

Karak: What have you seen so far of people copying licensed music? Is it gonna be a big problem?

[Wolvie]

Ya it's awesome. I have a bit of a headstart. I have been mixing with Abel. Musicmaker, Fruity and so forth for about 6 years. But I just had my girlfriend who knows NOTHING about that kind of thing. And within about 1 hour she had a cool beat and was actually freestyling on the guitar. That's probably the best part. Turning on record and wailing.

Wow you sound like a friend of mine who has been known to compose his own music. My bro-in-law wants to get one of those music mixing programs so he can really get his creative juices flowing.

I bet he'd drool over GHMix.

[carnage11]

Ok so Tool is like......really hard on drums. Sheesh.....who'd a thunk. I failed miserably on all their songs. :(


There are some good things about GH:WT that I've found today. Ok so to activate the SP on drums you just hit the yellow and blue pads whenever, as long as you stay in beat you don't lose your streak. You can even miss notes just as long as you stay in beat. That's cool. Also, whenever you see those white squiggley lines on the screen (like in the Tool songs for example) you can play whatever you want and you get a fill score. It's pretty cool you can just bash on the drums and you get points for it.

I really like the songs in the game. I actually think GH:WT's song list might be better than RB2's (not including any DLC of course). I really wish I could transfer some of GH:WT's songs to RB2....now that would just be all kinds of bad ass.

[Karak]

Ok so Tool is like......really hard on drums. Sheesh.....who'd a thunk. I failed miserably on all their songs. :(


There are some good things about GH:WT that I've found today. Ok so to activate the SP on drums you just hit the yellow and blue pads whenever, as long as you stay in beat you don't lose your streak. You can even miss notes just as long as you stay in beat. That's cool. Also, whenever you see those white squiggley lines on the screen (like in the Tool songs for example) you can play whatever you want and you get a fill score. It's pretty cool you can just bash on the drums and you get points for it.

I really like the songs in the game. I actually think GH:WT's song list might be better than RB2's (not including any DLC of course). I really wish I could transfer some of GH:WT's songs to RB2....now that would just be all kinds of bad ass.
Ya I dig the fill lines as well. It actually makes me feel like I should do a bit of freestyle that fits int he song rather than hammer like RB2.
The same happens for guitar. Really cool freestyle.

[divinechaos]

My brother loved the Tool tracks, well, except for Vicarious.


Karak- I know that you already like the game and I know I can't change your mind about that but please don't say the animations are spot on. At the very least you should admit that the drummer's animations are off. I'm being extremely picky about that because I KNOW what the drummer's supposed to be doing and when that isn't done it bothers the fuck out of me.

One thing, wasn't Dream Theater confirmed for this game? I did the Unlock All cheat and that song is nowhere to be found.

[LarsenNET]

Do the animations of the band members really matter? When I play I am only looking at the note chart. How could you possibly be able to pay attention to anything else?

[carnage11]

Yeah the drummers animations are off badly. I was playing a song with steady 8th note hi-hat hits and the drummer was swinging his arm on the crash every 4th note. It's like they didn't even try with that.

It might not be important, but it looks cool to see your guy doing what you're doing, especially during the big rock endings in RB2, you can really go at it and he seems to follow what you're hitting almost perfectly.


I don't know why or how HMX does it, but the characters just have a more realistic feel, they move and act more realistic. GH:WT characters just seem to act like they always have.....fake video game robots. It is pretty cool that you can change your characters persona though. It's all over the top, but at least it's an option. There are pros and cons with both games really.

[Talon]

Do the animations of the band members really matter? When I play I am only looking at the note chart. How could you possibly be able to pay attention to anything else?

I guess technically it only matters for the onlookers, but it would help if the developers actually tried. Especially when their competitors seem pretty spot on in that regards.

[divinechaos]

Do the animations of the band members really matter? When I play I am only looking at the note chart. How could you possibly be able to pay attention to anything else?

At least in my household we all pay attention to the animations. Both my brother and my dad are musicians and they like to see the characters mimic what the song is playing and when they obviously look off, we laugh at the game. They matter to me because they are supposed to be competing with Harmonix and they're not even doing a good job of keeping up.

See, the animations of Hayley and Ozzy are pretty damn awesome and that's 'cause they were made by actual rockers. It seems to me like Neversoft just hired someone to kinda learn the drum pattern for the song, mo-caped them and were done for the day. Look at the animations for Hotel California and Trapped Under Ice. Sometimes they're not even on time! What if Halo had reloading animations that didn't match the audio? Would you let that slip? After all, the game is about shooting, not about re-loading, right?

Sad thing is this game is probably gonna sell a lot more even with all its shortcomings.

[Wolvie]

Well after a good session with GH:WT, I think I've figured out how this game stacks up against RB:

Gameplay: This is exactly what I thought it would be. A RB clone with some gameplay twists and a music editor and a character/guitar editor with more robust options. It seems that both games do things better then the other.
For example, GH:WT seems to have new and some fun fret work techniques. Te "roped" notes that you can finger tap with the frets are especially fun. So I think playing guitar is a bit more fun on GH:WT... but I think this is because it's also easier to play guitar on this game too.
As far as vocals go, my wife prefers RB. It just seems more intuitive, and easier in RB. Hell some of the new vocal tweaks Neversoft added come off as confusing. We had to go to the tutorials to figure out what the hell some of them were. We never had to do this in RB. RB wins in the vocal department.
I haven't played drums yet, so I'll come back to that later.
The thing that really irks me is the limited band info options. You can't set backup band members, you can't set motto's, home towns, or much of anything beyond the band name and the logo. Kinda disappointing.
RB's world tour set up is just plain better with it's world map. There are also no special gigs, like challenges, or contests to win vehicles or staff members. RB's world tour is more robust, and just plain better IMO.
The most perplexing things about the band play set up, is the shared SP. Everyone dips into the same SP meter, and everyone contributes to it too. It seems as if you never run out at times, and you can activate it as soon as your first short burst is done... odd.
Also, I have read that when you fail ALL band members fail a song as if you are playing solo. This is just lame. I can't save a band mate if their doing badly? We just have to start over add frustration and nausea? Weak. RB wins in this department as well.

Graphics: The graphics on GH:WT are better, cleaner, more vibrant. Yet the animations on RB(especially the facial ones) are better, more fluid. It's a push here.

Sound: This time around it seems as if Neversoft has done a better job at sampling the master tracks. Both games seem to have equal sound quality. Yet GH:WT seems to still suffer from frets that have no sound behind them.
The track list seems to be very solid on both sides of things, GH:WT gets bonus points for having Freak on a leash by Korn, Mr. Crowley and Crazy train by Ozzie Osbourne. This doesn't mean that I like GH:WT's set list better, because RB has more DLC songs, which includes "Push it" by static-X. Also I noticed a ton of songs that were already in RB. Simply put, Rock Band is still king of the set list.

Innovation: Neversoft clearly takes the cake here. All the new fretwork options, the deeper CAC, the music editor, it all adds up to make GH:WT feel like a fresher experience. Also GH:WT has a nifty countdown timer after pausing that lets you get ready and doesn't throw you to the wolves like RB does. Huge bonus points for World tour here.
The music editor is a great bonus for those who have some patience and tons of free time. I have neither, so my fears of this feature seem validated. The interface in both the recording studio and GHMix are both unintuitive, and poorly implemented. This will turn would be music creators away for sure.
I'm sure I'll plunk down one evening and hammer out a simple tune... but this isn't the game making feature my bro-in-law had me believing it would be. It's nice to have, but not as great as it could have been. In short it comes as the gimmick I thought it was.

And the winner is: Rock Band! But not by as much as I thought it would. If Neversoft would have kept pace with all of the features and options in RB, I would be eating my words about this game, and declaring it the new music/rhythm band play king.
But as it stands, GH:WT comes up short on features even found in RB1. RB addressed many problems, fixed them, and didn't try to reinvent the wheel. Whereas World tour seems more about being different enough to warrent a purchase over rock band, which makes the new features come off more as gimmicks.
In short, there's not enough new and great things to make me pick GH:WT over RB2's more robust and better options and features(and a completely superior track list), that GH:WT comes up just short in matching. Maybe next year Neversoft...

[Cyndair]

Hardware Impressions

So I totally took a long lunch today and went out to the Best Buy close to where I work here. They had it all. The entire RB2 set and the entire GH:WT set. I was happy. I spent a good hour demoing both sets. Couple things... It didn't feel like I could get the lag settings right on GH. So it may have been skewing my impressions of the hardware. I tried a couple times to get it synched up and it still felt a bit off. I was watching the notes and it looked and felt like everything was lining up but I was still making mistakes that I didn't feel that I should have on both guitar and drums. I do also want to mention that when bouncing back and forth between the two games after every song, it was a heck of a lot easier to see the notes in Rock Band and this added to the feeling of accuracy on the RB set I think.

Guitar:

RB2 - The first thing that I grabbed was the RB2 guitar because I wanted to see just how much they had improved it. I was really surprised. The strummer is awesome now. It doesn't have a defined "click" like the Guitar Hero guitar but you can feel when it reaches the point at which it is registering. I played a lot of sections where up and down strumming is required and it actually felt a lot better than the strummer I was used to at home on my old school GH2 guitar. Of course this means that it is worlds better than the strum bar on the RB1 guitar. They re-did the fret buttons as well which I already liked quite a bit on the RB1 guitar. They are even more responsive now, have a softer touch to them, and don't make a loud "clack" noise when you let off of them. I played through 2 songs on expert, didn't really have a problem with accuracy, and best of all, my wrist didn't feel like it was going to fall off by the end of it.

GH:WT - I had very high expectations for this guitar. I'm one of those people that are heavily biased toward Red Octane guitars. I prefer the "clicky" strummer most of all. I don't know if it was the fact that I had just played with the new RB2 guitar or what, but the strummer didn't feel right. It still did the "clicky" but it felt like I had to push it down a lot farther than the Les Paul before it would register. It didn't feel responsive at all. It almost felt like the RB1 strummer in some ways. I do like the fret buttons and I think they are even more sensitive than the Les Paul but my wrist was still killing me after 2 songs.

I think hell must have frozen over but I feel like I preferred the RB2 guitar...

Drums:

RB2 - Alright! My first shot at these babies. Waaaay better than the RB1 drums. Quieter, bouncier, much more sensitive. They register the lightest hits and seem a lot more accurate overall. I wish they would have had a kick pedal set up so I could get the full experience but it was better than nothing.

GH:WT - Aaaaargh... I think I was playing on one of the defective sets that I've been reading about online. I felt like I was right with the music but I kept making mistakes somehow. Then I realized that the yellow cymbal pad wasn't registering unless I whacked it really really hard. I liked the bounce and feel of the pads better than the RB2 kit. I didn't like that the GH:WT pads made a lot more noise when I hit them. The pads are secured by a flat board and it feels like the whole thing vibrates a bit when you whack one of the pads. This results in a loud "thud." It isn't nearly as annoying as the "clack" of the plastic RB1 pads but it is still louder than the RB2 pads.

Overall this was not really a fair comparison since the GH kit seemed like it was half busted. I like the idea of 5 different pads to hit on the drum kit, and the raised cymbals felt good. Jury is still out here I guess. If I had to make the call right now, I'd probably say I liked the RB2 drums better. I'm anxious to try the optional cymbals.

It really seems like EA and Harmonix got their act together with the RB2 instruments. Despite my complaints about the GH hardware, it is still solid. I don't think you'd go wrong buying either set, honestly. If you have the RB1 equipment and are wondering if you should upgrade, I'd say that it's worth it overall. Will your experience with RB2 and GH:WT be totally lame if you are still on the RB1 equipment? Nah. Just make sure you don't try the new stuff or it will ruin you.

I hope this helps some people. Bottom line is that you should try to find a Best Buy and try everything out if possible. It has a lot to do with personal preference this time around.

[Variable Gear]

Yeah, I was using my GH:WT drums today in RB2's Drum Trainer, and they're fine drums, but the experience is built for the RB Drum Set. With that in mind, I'm selling my GH:WT Drums and buying the RB2 set ASAP. I'll be getting that cymbal three-pack as well.

[divinechaos]

Yeah, I was using my GH:WT drums today in RB2's Drum Trainer, and they're fine drums, but the experience is built for the RB Drum Set. With that in mind, I'm selling my GH:WT Drums and buying the RB2 set ASAP. I'll be getting that cymbal three-pack as well.

Speaking of, when are the cymbals coming out? I checked out the MadCatz site and they are nowhere to be found.

[Variable Gear]

Speaking of, when are the cymbals coming out? I checked out the MadCatz site and they are nowhere to be found.
GameStop is indicating (http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=cymbal) a ship date of 11/17. Does this sound accurate?

[divinechaos]

GameStop is indicating (http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=cymbal) a ship date of 11/17. Does this sound accurate?

MadCatz said Fall so hopefully that's true. I'm looking foward to those.

More on topic: I tried doing the Tutorials in GH:WT with my RB set and it didn't let me. Weak.

[King3567]

Speaking of, when are the cymbals coming out? I checked out the MadCatz site and they are nowhere to be found.

People have said over on the DLC thread that they've spotted them in some Best Buys. Problem is, it's $40 which is waaay too pricey for me.

[Karak]

My brother loved the Tool tracks, well, except for Vicarious.


Karak- I know that you already like the game and I know I can't change your mind about that but please don't say the animations are spot on. At the very least you should admit that the drummer's animations are off. I'm being extremely picky about that because I KNOW what the drummer's supposed to be doing and when that isn't done it bothers the fuck out of me.

One thing, wasn't Dream Theater confirmed for this game? I did the Unlock All cheat and that song is nowhere to be found.

I think you might be projecting a bit.
I like the game because its an awesome game. The animations on or off had nothing to do with it. It seems like you get angry easy by that kind of thing and I am sorry about that. Your version of off and my version of off, especially while PLAYING the game are just different.
I waited and watched now for about 6 hours...they are no more OFF... EDIT: Ok ya, they are off more than Rockband but not much or at least that I gave a shit about. I have no clue. SO yes, it may be off on some songs. On the otherhand in Rockband 2 sometimes you get monkey smacker the drummer who looks like he is having a fit:)

...I would hope you would not want to change my mind:) I have both games. They are both EXCELLENT fun. I see my lan group well 9 of them, the 10th hates these games, as playing GHWT far more than Rockband 2. But I guess that depends on how fast I mix some songs.

[Karak]

Karak: What have you seen so far of people copying licensed music? Is it gonna be a big problem?

Not much.
Will it be a problem...sure.
What pisses me off is some people will be fast enough to get good tracks. Other's not so much.
Also the missing vocal componant is a big fuck up, if you ask me, but it doesn't effect my enjoyment, just makes me wish they added it.

[divinechaos]

I think you might be projecting a bit.
I like the game because its an awesome game. The animations on or off had nothing to do with it. It seems like you get angry easy by that kind of thing and I am sorry about that. Your version of off and my version of off, especially while PLAYING the game are just different.
I waited and watched now for about 6 hours...they are no more OFF... EDIT: Ok ya, they are off more than Rockband but not much or at least that I gave a shit about. I have no clue. SO yes, it may be off on some songs. On the otherhand in Rockband 2 sometimes you get monkey smacker the drummer who looks like he is having a fit:)

...I would hope you would not want to change my mind:) I have both games. They are both EXCELLENT fun. I see my lan group well 9 of them, the 10th hates these games, as playing GHWT far more than Rockband 2. But I guess that depends on how fast I mix some songs.

I wasn't trying to change your mind about the game, I was just pointing out that the animations are indeed off. I played it again today and while I didn't have fun it killed some time.

[rifter]

Well, the GF and I picked it up today. :-) I still like RB better... but it is a good game. More songs = Golden. :-) Some new, interesting ideas. :-)

[Wolvie]

Man, everyone I know in real life who's played GH:WT all say the same thing: "disappointed"

My wife even admitted to me that the after the initial two sittings with World tour, she would rather play RB. A co-worker told me today that he only played a few songs on World tour since the game isn't good enough to hold his attention. And he's a huge RB/GH/Rhythm game fan.

TO round this post, I too must addmit that the game is really disappointing. I was expecting something better then RB. And what I got wasn't even better then RB1.

[King3567]

Man, everyone I know in real life who's played GH:WT all say the same thing: "disappointed"

My wife even admitted to me that the after the initial two sittings with World tour, she would rather play RB. A co-worker told me today that he only played a few songs on World tour since the game isn't good enough to hold his attention. And he's a huge RB/GH/Rhythm game fan.

TO round this post, I too must addmit that the game is really disappointing. I was expecting something better then RB. And what I got wasn't even better then RB1.

It's NeverSoft's first foray into the whole Band thing and at least they took some risks with this one. While Rock Band 2 is awesome, it played it too safe and thus I can't help but feel a tiny "disappointed" from that, but I can deal. I'd say the best thing about this year's offering of music games is that there is so much promise for next year. It'll get Neversoft to refine and streamline their ideas that didn't do so hot this time around and it'll make Harmonix add or even possibly one up these features.

Competition is great :)

[jpublic]

From a beginner Drummer's POV, after about 2 nights of play:

1) I find the RB 'Easy' and the GH 'Easy' to be two very different things. In many cases, the RB Easy, even though it has more double-hits, is easier to perform. OTOH, the Ramp-up in difficulty in from Easy to Medium in GH is way simpler to manage than the RB one.
2) I find RB did a far better job on most songs of matching what you play to what you hear. Often times the hits I have to perform in GH seem to have little relation to what's coming over the speaker.
3) I dislike the fact that because my wife and I only use one XBL ID, every time I play I'm treated as a new player and have to start my ranking from scratch. It would have been better if that was linked to the band like in RB, not to the player.
4) While the vast customizability is nice, they needed to come up with more presets for faces.
5) It is SO weird how the different games render the sifferent songs. 'Everlong' in particular.

Edit: One thing GH is giving me is help with my sticking point in RB. I'm having bass drum problems, particlarly in Medium where it's RY-Y-BassY-Y-RY-Y-BassY-Y... GH's actually training me on that, because it uses the Bass so much more.

[Karak]

Man, everyone I know in real life who's played GH:WT all say the same thing: "disappointed"

My wife even admitted to me that the after the initial two sittings with World tour, she would rather play RB. A co-worker told me today that he only played a few songs on World tour since the game isn't good enough to hold his attention. And he's a huge RB/GH/Rhythm game fan.

TO round this post, I too must addmit that the game is really disappointing. I was expecting something better then RB. And what I got wasn't even better then RB1.

Totally opposite reactions from those I have spoken to. However, I find them equal myself.
Rockband 2 is a good safe sequel cleaning up some of the problems they had in the past but with 0 real additions. GHWT is all kinds of scattered as a first attempt at Bands and touring. With the additions of the music maker, new drums, new guitar slide and such they get the nod for trying some serious new stuff out.
I love both. It's nice to have choices.

[Cupelix]

GHWT is all kinds of scattered as a first attempt at Bands and touring. With the additions of the music maker, new drums, new guitar slide and such they get the nod for trying some serious new stuff out.
See, the funny thing is, with rhythm games I have a very "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" kind of view. RB2 may be a "safe" sequel, but while it didn't attempt to innovate drastically, it did make marked improvements. I'm happy to pay the $60 for a crap ton more songs (considering you're paying less per song that way than you would with normal DLC). Consequently, if the core gameplay of GHWT is off, i.e. how you play the Tour mode and such, that makes it a no-go for me. Plus, with the amount of overlap between the two games in terms of song selection, I can't justify the price of the game.

[Wolvie]

It's NeverSoft's first foray into the whole Band thing and at least they took some risks with this one. While Rock Band 2 is awesome, it played it too safe and thus I can't help but feel a tiny "disappointed" from that, but I can deal. I'd say the best thing about this year's offering of music games is that there is so much promise for next year. It'll get Neversoft to refine and streamline their ideas that didn't do so hot this time around and it'll make Harmonix add or even possibly one up these features.

Competition is great :)

My whole feeling is, after a year RB is still great, they just didn't try to reinvent the wheel or fix something that wasn't broke when they brought out their sequel.
GH:WT however feels like the first year effort it is. And because of that it has it's own share of problems that need to be ironed out. It's kinda sad when even RB1 does things better then this, and it's been out for a year.
This is not the RB killer everyone thought it would be, I was hoping for a game that was as good or better then RB2... disappointing to say the least.

Neversoft did some nifty things in an attempt to stand apart from RB. But at the end of the day this is just a shallow clone of RB1, with some bells and whistles tacked on to distract from the games warts.

RB is a better more refined game, and a prime example of how a great game getting refined beats an innovative average one any day. I'll be sticking with it for the bulk of my jam sessions with the wife.

Totally opposite reactions from those I have spoken to. However, I find them equal myself.
Rockband 2 is a good safe sequel cleaning up some of the problems they had in the past but with 0 real additions. GHWT is all kinds of scattered as a first attempt at Bands and touring. With the additions of the music maker, new drums, new guitar slide and such they get the nod for trying some serious new stuff out.
I love both. It's nice to have choices.

There's no doubt World Tour has some cool things going for it. But since this is a total first year effort, I'll just give this game a B- and wait till next years offering to see if they can match or beat RB1 and 2.

On a side note, Harmonix gets an A- for making an already great game better, but not adding anything new outside of online band world tour mode.

[Karak]

See, the funny thing is, with rhythm games I have a very "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" kind of view. RB2 may be a "safe" sequel, but while it didn't attempt to innovate drastically, it did make marked improvements. I'm happy to pay the $60 for a crap ton more songs (considering you're paying less per song that way than you would with normal DLC). Consequently, if the core gameplay of GHWT is off, i.e. how you play the Tour mode and such, that makes it a no-go for me. Plus, with the amount of overlap between the two games in terms of song selection, I can't justify the price of the game.

That is awesome. For you. Others are looking for a more, make your own mentality, and GH destroys utterly RB1 or 2's attempts. Basically the two camps are play what you get, and play what you get and make more. Neither are wrong. That's is why I have both. I feel RB2 is nothing more than RB1 with the fixed band signins. There is nothing wrong with that and I play RB2. GH is trully create your own stuff, characters, instruments, and songs. They are almost totally different beasts with some things the same across the board.

[carnage11]

See, the funny thing is, with rhythm games I have a very "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" kind of view. RB2 may be a "safe" sequel, but while it didn't attempt to innovate drastically, it did make marked improvements. I'm happy to pay the $60 for a crap ton more songs (considering you're paying less per song that way than you would with normal DLC). Consequently, if the core gameplay of GHWT is off, i.e. how you play the Tour mode and such, that makes it a no-go for me. Plus, with the amount of overlap between the two games in terms of song selection, I can't justify the price of the game.

Yeah, the more I play GH:WT the more it pisses me off. Why are there SO many of the same songs? That just seems like a bad decision. When I saw Everlong (and if you play on expert drums you'll know why) I got seriously pissed. I fucking hate that song. I have to play it AGAIN?!:mad:

[Cupelix]

Others are looking for a more, make your own mentality, and GH destroys utterly RB1 or 2's attempts. Basically the two camps are play what you get, and play what you get and make more.I just want to clarify what you mean here. Are you basically saying that the Create A Song (or whatever it's officially called) mode is worth having GH:WT for? The mode which removes a quarter of the players from the game by having no vocal track? Granted, the vocal parts are only fun to play if you know the song, so perhaps it's good that it's not in since no one would know the lyrics to your brand new song.

I don't know, that just doesn't win me over. Since the first Guitar Hero came out, I've had the most fun playing the songs that, frankly, I already know and love. I barely bothered to play the bonus songs in GH1-2, and only played through them in Rock Band to unlock Timmy and the Lords of the Underworld. Only two of the bonus songs struck me as something I'd want to play over and over.

I guess time will tell - but I don't think that the creation mode is going to be nearly as huge as the developers want it to be. I certainly don't think it will take off in the way that say, LBP's has/will.

Yeah, the more I play GH:WT the more it pisses me off. Why are there SO many of the same songs? That just seems like a bad decision. When I saw Everlong (and if you play on expert drums you'll know why) I got seriously pissed. I fucking hate that song. I have to play it AGAIN?!:mad:What, you don't like getting big beefy arms? :p I'm 1 for 2 on my playthroughs of Everlong. I beat it on my first attempt (barely) and got exhausted the second time and failed at like 80%. It's too bad, since where I am in the Tour, it seems to show up a lot (last song to beat to get a Sound Guy, for example).

[carnage11]

What, you don't like getting big beefy arms? :p I'm 1 for 2 on my playthroughs of Everlong. I beat it on my first attempt (barely) and got exhausted the second time and failed at like 80%. It's too bad, since where I am in the Tour, it seems to show up a lot (last song to beat to get a Sound Guy, for example).

Well my red pad is cracked so it drops a lot of notes, which isn't normally a big deal, but in Everlong there are a lot of red notes. lol.

[Karak]

I just want to clarify what you mean here. Are you basically saying that the Create A Song (or whatever it's officially called) mode is worth having GH:WT for? The mode which removes a quarter of the players from the game by having no vocal track? Granted, the vocal parts are only fun to play if you know the song, so perhaps it's good that it's not in since no one would know the lyrics to your brand new song.


*shakes head*. I have both.
BOTH
BOTH
But I am not going to lie or be like a 13 year old and pretend one sucks because another is my fav.
Is GHWT worth it, without a shadow of a doubt. For those that want it. And those that want it are those that have been following the make your own music aspect so much. It's been pimped hardcore. And for 90% of it it comes through amazingly well. But that is not for everyone. Just like RB2 is not for everyone.

GHWT is attempting to make an inroad with those people who want to do that kind of thing. And for that they did excellent with what they had. They are missing vocals. Yep. Might not have been their choice and I would rather have the ability to make a ripping guitar riff then...nothing.

And what they do have there..is impressive. I mix music and use a ton of these programs and the fact that you can do some of the stuff you do in there and add so many different things to each track and effects and so forth and edit and loop...for those that want it its awesome. It doesn't crash(which can not be said for PC programs like it), it allows someone who might not have a pc to lay some stuff down. It has many levels more customization to everything. And it also has weakness. Just like the almighty RB.
EDIT:Oh and my ire is not based on your post. I am just answering yours. It the attitude that people have when two games are released and you can't like them both. As dumb as system wars.

[carnage11]

Hey karak...are you on Neversoft's payroll by any chance? :p

I kid...I kid...;)

[Zero]

We just got our first used World Tour in. I kinda want to try it.

[King3567]

What, you don't like getting big beefy arms? :p I'm 1 for 2 on my playthroughs of Everlong. I beat it on my first attempt (barely) and got exhausted the second time and failed at like 80%. It's too bad, since where I am in the Tour, it seems to show up a lot (last song to beat to get a Sound Guy, for example).

I hate to sound so narcissistic, but I am a beast at Everlong. I haven't five starred it yet, but I can get around 147k on Rock Band 2. Is GHWT's version that different?

[Karak]

Hey karak...are you on Neversoft's payroll by any chance? :p

I kid...I kid...;)
If you knew how I felt about GH2 and 3 you would know thats not possible:)

[Zero]

We just got our first used World Tour in. I kinda want to try it.

I played it on my lunch break. Eh, it's okay. Something about the graphics doesn't sit right, and hitting the yellow cymbal really tired my hand out.

[divinechaos]

Some friends came over today and wanted to play Rock Band. I told I got the new GH and they got all excited. We played it for about an hour and then they said "So, what other songs do they have?" I told them that was it. They let out a huge sigh and we played Rock Band.

Hopefully next year's World Tour will keep us entertained for longer.

[Disgustipated]

Ok guys. World Tour impressions:

Ugly graphics. Fuck anyone that says the graphics don't matter. It's very noticeable. Rock Band 2 looks so much better.

Ass-tastic aesthetics: The interface, the backgrounds for the note chart... all of it really bugs. When the background messes up your ability to discern notes and distracts you, that is a BAD design choice.

Also, STUPID choice on the bass note for the drums being purple. It blends in with some of the backgrounds. I REALLY wish they had a clean-cut look like Rock Band 2, where my eyes don't wander and where things don't have such a jagged contrast.

Also, since it has 14 of RB2's songs... disappointing. Playing the same songs on World Tour makes you realize how much worse Neversoft's charting is vs. Harmonix.

I love that they have Tool, At the Drive-In, Muse, Mars Volta, and some other really cool bands... but I feel like the game has some glaring flaws. It's not a bad game, but I'd have to recommend waiting til it hits $20-40. For $60, it just doesn't offer the same fully featured experience that RB2 does.

I haven't touched the music maker.

Also, a big "Fuck you" to Neversoft for saying "when people's Rock Band equipment breaks, they can come buy ours" and then they're having a lot of hardware failures. Good job you arrogant fucks.

[Sl1pstream]

Also, since it has 14 of RB2's songs... disappointing.

Europe's getting GHWT before RB2 though.

I like it for now. We'll see what happens when we get some MP in tomorrow, but it has some fun songs.

[Wolvie]

Ok guys. World Tour impressions:

Ugly graphics. Fuck anyone that says the graphics don't matter. It's very noticeable. Rock Band 2 looks so much better.

Ass-tastic aesthetics: The interface, the backgrounds for the note chart... all of it really bugs. When the background messes up your ability to discern notes and distracts you, that is a BAD design choice.

Also, STUPID choice on the bass note for the drums being purple. It blends in with some of the backgrounds. I REALLY wish they had a clean-cut look like Rock Band 2, where my eyes don't wander and where things don't have such a jagged contrast.

Also, since it has 14 of RB2's songs... disappointing. Playing the same songs on World Tour makes you realize how much worse Neversoft's charting is vs. Harmonix.

I love that they have Tool, At the Drive-In, Muse, Mars Volta, and some other really cool bands... but I feel like the game has some glaring flaws. It's not a bad game, but I'd have to recommend waiting til it hits $20-40. For $60, it just doesn't offer the same fully featured experience that RB2 does.

I haven't touched the music maker.

Also, a big "Fuck you" to Neversoft for saying "when people's Rock Band equipment breaks, they can come buy ours" and then they're having a lot of hardware failures. Good job you arrogant fucks.

I could not agree with you more Dis.

[Rock Bandit]

Ok guys. World Tour impressions:

Ugly graphics. Fuck anyone that says the graphics don't matter. It's very noticeable. Rock Band 2 looks so much better.

Ass-tastic aesthetics: The interface, the backgrounds for the note chart... all of it really bugs. When the background messes up your ability to discern notes and distracts you, that is a BAD design choice.

Also, STUPID choice on the bass note for the drums being purple. It blends in with some of the backgrounds. I REALLY wish they had a clean-cut look like Rock Band 2, where my eyes don't wander and where things don't have such a jagged contrast.

Also, since it has 14 of RB2's songs... disappointing. Playing the same songs on World Tour makes you realize how much worse Neversoft's charting is vs. Harmonix.

I love that they have Tool, At the Drive-In, Muse, Mars Volta, and some other really cool bands... but I feel like the game has some glaring flaws. It's not a bad game, but I'd have to recommend waiting til it hits $20-40. For $60, it just doesn't offer the same fully featured experience that RB2 does.

I haven't touched the music maker.

Also, a big "Fuck you" to Neversoft for saying "when people's Rock Band equipment breaks, they can come buy ours" and then they're having a lot of hardware failures. Good job you arrogant fucks.

Sometimes I love you so goddamn hard.

[maverick106]

My understanding is that downloadable content tracks from the previous games, with the exception of the recent metallica tracks, will NOT be playable from GH:WT. Did I read correctly? Is anyone else really annoyed by this? The excuse of "the old tracks didn't have other instruments" is lame...just make them guitar only games.

At this point in tech and development of the franchise, I think I should be able to pick up any guitar hero and play any downloadable content on it. Quite frankly, I think I should be able to stick GH2 into my 360, have it rip the songs off and store them on the HD, and then pop in GH:WT and play them from there. Honestly, this is a title that would be better served as a fully online, DLC-based experience with incremental upgrades to the game interface.

[Wolvie]

My understanding is that downloadable content tracks from the previous games, with the exception of the recent metallica tracks, will NOT be playable from GH:WT. Did I read correctly?

You are correct sir. Death Magnetic will work with GH:WT, and that's it.

[Sandman]

Does anyone like the World Tour guitar? I'm thinking of getting RB2 and World Tour soon....if the World Tour guitar is good I'll get the guitar kit for $100 and the RB2 standalone game.

[Zero]

Does anyone like the World Tour guitar? I'm thinking of getting RB2 and World Tour soon....if the World Tour guitar is good I'll get the guitar kit for $100 and the RB2 standalone game.

The only difference in the strummers is the annoying click the GHWT guitar makes. I like the buttons on the RB2 guitar more, but I didn't play around with the slider on the GH guitar.

All in all... I like the RB2 more, but I haven't toyed around enough with the GHWT one.

[Cyndair]

Does anyone like the World Tour guitar? I'm thinking of getting RB2 and World Tour soon....if the World Tour guitar is good I'll get the guitar kit for $100 and the RB2 standalone game.

You have a Best Buy nearby where you live? Every Best Buy I've been to recently has had both sets out for you to try. I'd go there and see if you can compare the two.

If you want both games for sure, I'd say that getting the GH:WT guitar bundle and the RB2 full bundle is a safe bet. I personally prefer the RB2 guitar but that isn't saying that the GH:WT guitar is bad at all (it isn't), just that I have a preference.

[Karak]

Does anyone like the World Tour guitar? I'm thinking of getting RB2 and World Tour soon....if the World Tour guitar is good I'll get the guitar kit for $100 and the RB2 standalone game.
Reviewers seem to be split on which is better. Raised versus flush fret buttons and so on.
I like Guitar Hero's star power button the on palm, that was sort of cool and for playing muted cords. But I liked the general wireless RB guitar alot as well.

[King3567]

I like the World Tour guitar since it's pretty much the same as 3's with the touch pad thingy. I still have yet to get this game...

[divinechaos]

I like the World Tour guitar since it's pretty much the same as 3's with the touch pad thingy. I still have yet to get this game...

Rent it, you don't want to spend $60 on this if you already have Rock Band.

[Karak]

I like the World Tour guitar since it's pretty much the same as 3's with the touch pad thingy. I still have yet to get this game...

I have to agree. I love the RB guitar but after hanging with the GH one now for a couple days, it wins hands down for me.

[Sandman]

I like the World Tour guitar since it's pretty much the same as 3's with the touch pad thingy. I still have yet to get this game...

This seals the deal for me...I prefer 3's guitar over the Rock Band guitar. I'll be buying the Guitar Kit for World Tour and the stand alone RB2 game. I have no interest in another drum set or mic so I don't really need the full kit.

[Zero]

I like the World Tour guitar since it's pretty much the same as 3's with the touch pad thingy. I still have yet to get this game...

The strummer is looser on the GHWT guitar. It's not much but it's definitely noticeable.

[Thanasimos]

qNPFgTrx1Q0

The guy that made this currently top ranked song lives across the hall from me. Yeah, I've played it on the PS3 that put it together. Kinda cool.

We are Deuce. And we are walking all over your charts.

[Karak]

qNPFgTrx1Q0

The guy that made this currently top ranked song lives across the hall from me. Yeah, I've played it on the PS3 that put it together. Kinda cool.

We are Deuce. And we are walking all over your charts.

Cool will have to check this out.

[King3567]

qNPFgTrx1Q0


That looks like a cool song. I say looks because my speakers are blown and I can't listen :(

[Rock Bandit]

Well shit. (http://consolehero.com/2008/10/30/guitar-heros-jimi-hendrix-dlc-announced/#more-905)

It has been announced by Activision that 3 more songs will be available for download starting November 13th.

The three tracks will be;

“If 6 Was 9″
“Little Wing”
“Fire (Live Recording)”

Activision also announced that three tracks from The Raconteurs will be hitting on Nov. 20. That track pack, featuring Your Solution,” “Hold Up” and “Consoler of the Lonely”, will sell for 160 points on the 360, $1.99 on the PS3 and 200 Wii Points.

Fuck, The Raconteurs. Man..I just...fuck.

[King3567]

Well shit. (http://consolehero.com/2008/10/30/guitar-heros-jimi-hendrix-dlc-announced/#more-905)



Fuck, The Raconteurs. Man..I just...fuck.

Hmm....I'm still very skeptical on them releasing weekly DLC a la Rock Band.

[pomeroy]

Well shit. (http://consolehero.com/2008/10/30/guitar-heros-jimi-hendrix-dlc-announced/#more-905)



Fuck, The Raconteurs. Man..I just...fuck.

I know. I was thinking I could just skip this damn game...

[divinechaos]

Really guys? The Raconteurs are good but barely a reason to spend $60 + DLC money. I'm sure Harmonix will have a Rac DLC Pack.

[fitbabits]

Got mine on Friday. So far, so good, although the drum sensitivity is annoying.

[pomeroy]

Really guys? The Raconteurs are good but barely a reason to spend $60 + DLC money. I'm sure Harmonix will have a Rac DLC Pack.

The Raconteurs aren't the only reason I would buy the game. The setlist is pretty decent (a lot of RB2 overlap, though) and if GH gets the whole DLC thing down...I might just pick it up. More songs to play is never a bad thing...

[Veregon]

DISCLAIMER: I love GH1, GH2 and Rock Band, didn't like GH3 and have no faith in Neversoft.

My friend brought the game over my house this weekend so I could fix the drums for him. (He tried turning one of the cymbals a bit and the wire snapped right off.) The drums are pretty crappy quality and he has the sensitivity issues that has caused them to release that midi sensitivity tuner, he's just waiting for his midi-usb cable. We played through a decent portion of the game, just about to where the harder songs come in. The overlap with RB2 songs was annoying but is probably something we'll all need to get used to as these two go at it.

The guitar charts weren't too bad (we only play expert on guitar) though we stopped playing before getting to the last tier songs. The guitar itself is fine and you can just ignore the gimmicky touch strip once you realize any touch-strip part of a song can be tapped on the regular buttons without strumming. I prefer the RB guitars but it's purely a matter of taste, I just prefer the flat buttons and the quiet strum.

I really dislike their drum setup (I do mainly expert and some hard drumming). RB's idea of four interchangeable pads works really well (especially when you add in the cymbals, though obviously that's a higher money investment than some want). GH's way of having the three tom pads and two cymbals pads actually makes it more restrictive as to what they can do with the charts and it shows. The green floor tom is almost never used and with only three pads you can't do a snare->l.tom->r.tom->floor tom run like you can in RB. Obviously there was a learning curve involved but it wasn't able to pull me in enough to want to get over that curve. The note design can also be very hard to read especially since they still have fretboard designs in the background. I also missed being able to do fills fairly often (it seemed like the free-form sections were few and far between).

Audio seemed to be really off. For some reason the levels were really different from song to song and we often couldn't hear the singer (original or our singer) and sometimes couldn't hear the guitar. I'm not sure what was going on but we tried adjusting levels in the options and it didn't seem to help. Overall this really killed the experience for me as RB sounds fantastic on the same setup and that helps pull me into the game. I have nothing fancy in my setup, I run my audio straight to the TV so there's nothing in the way that could have been screwing with the sound.

The visuals are the same as GH3 with some enhancements. I personally am not a fan of this art style but it doesn't bother me either. Putting that aside, it felt like the performances were lacking in any energy. The band mainly just stands around doing little rocking out moves with the occasional custom animation. It was a far cry from the energy that RB seems to put out with it's quick camera cuts and severe camera angles. There's also less room to see the performance due to the aforementioned fret board designs. Again, these design decisions on Neversoft's part failed to pull me into the game and left me feeling detached.

The Tool custom arena was pretty awesome. People complained about having to purchase it in game but it took us only a few shows to get the money to buy it and we felt it was worth it. We often found ourselves missing notes because we wanted to watch what was going on. They may be on to a good idea here and it'll be interesting to see if they do anything else with it.

Menus and navigation seemed ok, one thing I didn't like was everyone having to press A after each song in a setlist. I like how RB just goes into the next song after a short delay much better. I do like how the band leader is the only one who can back-out or move forward in the menus, this saves you from people wailing on the buttons and taking you back to the main menu.

All in all, I went in expecting nothing and pretty much got nothing out of it. Some of the songs are definitely fun but the game was unable to make me get over my bias because it couldn't pull me into the experience.

[Rock Bandit]

So I went by Best Buy today to pick up Gears 2 and the had the GH:WT drums set up. One question; did they design these drums WITH A FUCKING T-REX IN MIND? Everytime I did a roll on the pads and went to bring my sticks back up they hit the cymbal pads. I'm also much more appreciative now of the very clean 4 pads across design of the RB drums. It's much easier to equate with my brain where my hands should be by looking at the screen. So much so that I'm now second guessing picking up the Mad Catz cymbals. I'll pick fun over realistic in my video games any day of the week.

[Xydarc]

After reading the opinions on RB2 and GH:WT, I think I will get the RB2 Special Bundle and pick up GH:WT on disc. Thank you, cross-compatibility!

[Zero]

So I went by Best Buy today to pick up Gears 2 and the had the GH:WT drums set up. One question; did they design these drums WITH A FUCKING T-REX IN MIND? Everytime I did a roll on the pads and went to bring my sticks back up they hit the cymbal pads. I'm also much more appreciative now of the very clean 4 pads across design of the RB drums. It's much easier to equate with my brain where my hands should be by looking at the screen. So much so that I'm now second guessing picking up the Mad Catz cymbals. I'll pick fun over realistic in my video games any day of the week.

I wish the GHWT cymbals were adjustable. I want them a bit higher and not angle so much.