Lost 6.11 "Happily Ever After"

[DoctorFinger]

This week on the Island - "Happily Ever After"

(you know with an ep title like that something bad happens) Desmond wakes up to discover he's back on the island

[Voodoo]

Shall we start a dead pool?

My bet is on either Sun-Hwa Kwon and/or Kate Austin.

[Widgetcraft]

Faraday is Widmore's son, huh?

[Voodoo]

Faraday is Widmore's son, huh?
Yup! That's been known for a while actually.

[Widgetcraft]

Yup! That's been known for a while actually.

Ahh, I knew Eloise and Widmore had a relationship, I didn't realize that Faraday was actually his kid.

[Voodoo]

Ahh, I knew Eloise and Widmore had a relationship, I didn't realize that Faraday was actually his kid.
Yup! That's where Faraday got his experiment funding too. :)

[Siraris]

I don't even know what to say about that. Is it possible that two Desmond episodes could be the best 2 episodes of the show? I think it might just be.

[Destro]

Desmond IS pretty sweet. Everything is coming together in a neat little package, and i couldn't be more pleased.

[Destro]

Yup! That's been known for a while actually.

Indeed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88k-25FlNCg

[Siraris]

I wrote this really quickly on Facebook in response to someones "WTF Lost". I don't know if it makes sense, and it's pretty poorly worded, but I think it gets the point across:

The alternate timeline was caused by Daniels plan to detonate the nuclear bomb. It split the "real" timeline, and created this alternate one where everything is similar, yet different. People are waking up and starting to see glimpses of this other life (Charlie obviously saw Claire when he was dying, Daniel had this glimpse of his Physics self, Desmond saw Penny, and Eloise obviously is some sort of special time traveling god). Because Desmond survived the explosion of the hatch, and then getting dislodged from time, he is special, and Widmore realizes that. He obviously has some sort of plan to use electro-magnetism to defeat the Man in Black, and Desmond is going to help him do it. This was all a test to make sure that Desmond was legit, but something else happened, something more subtle. The timeline's are going to come back together in some way, and Desmond is most likely going to reunite the people from the flight in order to facilitate this rejoining and the eventual defeat of MiB.

I just hope the show doesn't end with everyone in the alternate timeline holding hands and loving each other in order to defeat MiB and return everything to normal.

[Philonious]

It was great... Though I kind of wish they'd ended it with Desmond agreeing to help Widmore. (Unfortunately, Flash Forward may have ruined Penny a bit for me.) I'm hoping that Desmond's sacrifice is in the AltTime-Line and not Lost Prime because he guy deserve to live happily ever after with Penny.

[Cyndair]

That was fantastic.

I got chills when Charlie was in the car under water and put his hand up to the window. I was rolling my eyes at the beginning when the put Desmond in the box with the electromagnet but damn did they ever pull it off. "I have something to show them."

[Voodoo]

So happy to see Daniel again! Now just need Vincent and Mr Eko. :)

[TheKeck]

I just hope the show doesn't end with everyone in the alternate timeline holding hands and loving each other in order to defeat MiB and return everything to normal.
Ha ha ha ha! :) Amen to that.
(Unfortunately, Flash Forward may have ruined Penny a bit for me.)
So much this.
That was fantastic.

I got chills when Charlie was in the car under water and put his hand up to the window. I was rolling my eyes at the beginning when the put Desmond in the box with the electromagnet but damn did they ever pull it off. "I have something to show them."
And yeah, this too. I loved this episode. I love Lost. I can't wait to see it all finished off.

I'm a little confused but also curious about why Desmond seemed so eager to go with Sayid at the end, though.

[Banacek]

I liked this episode a lot. Then again, I don't think I've ever been disappointed with a Desmond episode.

[AntonThaGreat]

So happy to see Daniel again! Now just need Vincent and Mr Eko. :)

I miss Mr. Eko! :(

[digitalErich]

Fuck yes that episode...that was great. I'm curious what state Desmond is in now. It seemed like he was in some kind of trance, just doing whatever people suggested to him, or he knows he needs to go with Sayid to accomplish whatever needs to happen. I'm not sure which.

[muddi900]

I don't even know what to say about that. Is it possible that two Desmond episodes could be the best 2 episodes of the show? I think it might just be.

Parallel Best Episodes. ;)

Also, I know its annoying, but totally called Farraday being a musician.

[Dukefrukem]

Faraday is Widmore's son, huh?

welcome to season 5. ;)

And this was another great episode. Now we know how the two universes are connected.

[bstiff]

I wrote this really quickly on Facebook in response to someones "WTF Lost". I don't know if it makes sense, and it's pretty poorly worded, but I think it gets the point across:



I just hope the show doesn't end with everyone in the alternate timeline holding hands and loving each other in order to defeat MiB and return everything to normal.

Maybe I missed something but how did you get he was talking about claire? I thought he was talking about kate. Otherwise he would have said something about the pregnant blonde austalian woman rather than the woman in handcuffs with the policeman.

[Banacek]

Maybe I missed something but how did you get he was talking about claire? I thought he was talking about kate. Otherwise he would have said something about the pregnant blonde austalian woman rather than the woman in handcuffs with the policeman.

He said that he was in love with a beautiful blond woman in the 'other' life. He was just checking Kate out on the plane.

[bstiff]

He said that he was in love with a beautiful blond woman in the 'other' life. He was just checking Kate out on the plane.

Guess I was wrong, I went back and watched it. Yeah he was talking about claire after he died/was dying. Charlie had started rambling at that point and I usually end up tuning him out. The charlie/claire thing never really worked out that well for me.

[Food Nipple]

I really liked last night's episode. It was nice to be thrown a curveball, especially considering that the previous two weeks have been pretty predictable.

[muddi900]

I have another theory regarding the timeline split. I think Farraday/Widmore Jr.'s comments pretty much sealed the explosion as reason for the split. I don't remember if anyone else mentioned it before, but it could be that the explosion and the island sink aren't part of the same event!

[digitalErich]

I think a lot of us called that actually...the evidence being the intact underwater Dharma village. Even with the separation of the two islands, those houses wouldn't have survived a nuke. Besides, a nuke wouldn't uniformly sink an entire island 100ft under the water.

[Widgetcraft]

Guess I was wrong, I went back and watched it. Yeah he was talking about claire after he died/was dying. Charlie had started rambling at that point and I usually end up tuning him out. The charlie/claire thing never really worked out that well for me.

I hate Charlie in general, and alt-Charlie is proving to be even more irritating.

[muddi900]

I didn't have a problem with the guy untill he attacked Sun. I mean, I am supposed to like this guy or something?

I think a lot of us called that actually...the evidence being the intact underwater Dharma village. Even with the separation of the two islands, those houses wouldn't have survived a nuke. Besides, a nuke wouldn't uniformly sink an entire island 100ft under the water.

The more I think about it, the more circular paradoxical logic hole this whole line of thought turns into.

[Ten19]

So happy to see Daniel again! Now just need Vincent and Mr Eko. :)

I think everyone on 815 is fair game at this point. I know of one character who will be coming back, wish I hadn't spoiled myself on that, though. Hell, when I read "Charlie helps Desmond" last night on some random news sidebar, I shrieked and closed the window (I watch them on Hulu the next day).

[Voodoo]

I think everyone on 815 is fair game at this point. I know of one character who will be coming back, wish I hadn't spoiled myself on that, though. Hell, when I read "Charlie helps Desmond" last night on some random news sidebar, I shrieked and closed the window (I watch them on Hulu the next day).
It had better be Mr Eko or Vincent! It would be OK if it was Ms Spicy Sassy Ass as well.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9051/michelle20rodriguez20dr.jpg

[Abednigo]

I think a lot of us called that actually...the evidence being the intact underwater Dharma village. Even with the separation of the two islands, those houses wouldn't have survived a nuke. Besides, a nuke wouldn't uniformly sink an entire island 100ft under the water.

I was thinking about that. It couldn't have been the nuke then. If the nuke split the timeline (like Back to the Future), and the island sinking is part of that new timeline, Dharmaville would have been destroyed. Even if the nuke didn't sink the island, the timeline where it happened was because of the nuke. Unless they rebuilt everything after the nuke in the new timeline and another event sunk it.

[Widgetcraft]

I don't think we can predict the effect of setting of a nuke under the conditions we saw. Remember, it was down in a deep pit where some kind of crazy electromagnetic event was taking place. The nuke's explosion may have been "harmless" to both islands, but split the timeline at that point.

[digitalErich]

The nuke (whether the cause or not) I think was the splitting point. I think another, separate even (though maybe related) sank the island. I thought this was pretty much the common thought on this but I guess I was wrong.

[Abednigo]

I don't think we can predict the effect of setting of a nuke under the conditions we saw. Remember, it was down in a deep pit where some kind of crazy electromagnetic event was taking place. The nuke's explosion may have been "harmless" to both islands, but split the timeline at that point.

Good point. The electromagnetic properties of that island have effects that we haven't really been made privy to. At least not completely.

[digitalErich]

The nuke's explosion may have been "harmless" to both islands, but split the timeline at that point.
Oh snap, I never thought of that... good call. Whatever EM field is there on the island could have contained or dampened the nuke. This is a good observation.

[Abednigo]

Oh snap, I never thought of that... good call. Whatever EM field is there on the island could have contained or dampened the nuke. This is a good observation.

And the nuke was detonated at the bottom of that hole they dug in the rock. It wouldn't contain all of it but I can see how it could keep the town from being destroyed.

[Destro]

I really don't think normal physics apply in this case here. We don't know the power of that nuke in those circumstances. I've always pretty much assumed the nuke sunk the island, and that is that.

[TrackZero]

Oh man, just finished the episode. Hands down for me, best episode of the Season and probably since 5x12 "Dead is Dead".

[bstiff]

I really don't think normal physics apply in this case here. We don't know the power of that nuke in those circumstances. I've always pretty much assumed the nuke sunk the island, and that is that.

underground explosion would limit things quite a bit and nukes int the early 50's were still in development but averages seemed to be in the 15-20 kiloton range around that time. I found a list on wikipedia that helped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield

Does anyone else think that India calling their nuke "smiling buddha" is a little disturbing?

[cp#]

Eloise Hawking knows too much. Working for man in black?

[Camel]

Thought this was pretty interesting (from Slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2242745/entry/2250087/)):

Last night's redemptive dialogue between Desmond and Widmore (in both timelines) was crackerjack as always. Most intriguing was Widmore's sales pitch: "Penny, your son, and everyone else will be gone forever" if Desmond doesn't help him. Note that Widmore doesn't say "die"—he just says they'll be gone. Is it possible that (as many have guessed) we already know how Lost ends? Maybe it ends with Smokey winning the on-island battle, escaping into the real world, and then making that world (or that timeline) cease to exist. This would suggest that the flashsideways is the epilogue to Lost, a universe that is starting over again after the last experiment failed. Except this time, the lessons of the (sorta) past can actually inform the actions of the (sorta) future.

I remember another character as well (maybe it was Widmore again, or maybe Jacob) saying that if Smokey got loose, he would cause things to stop existing. Pretty neat theory!

[TheKeck]

Is there really any doubt about the nuke causing the alternate timeline? I mean, that was the whole purpose of the nuke, and Juliette told us it worked. ;)

[Wraith]

Someone remind me, have we seen Juliet in the alternate timeline yet?Shall we start a dead pool?

My bet is on either Sun-Hwa Kwon and/or Kate Austin.I know she's only a minor character, but I hope Zoey gets an arrow in the head or something. Or killed off by Smokey McNotLocke.I'm hoping that Desmond's sacrifice is in the AltTime-Line and not Lost Prime because he guy deserve to live happily ever after with Penny.Yeah, I hope they don't (really) kill off Desmond. Even though it was heavily suggested in this episode (sacrifice and all).

[cp#]

We are not watching the epilogue. They are going back to the Island again. After it pops back up to the surface. Like corks do.

[bstiff]

Someone remind me, have we seen Juliet in the alternate timeline yet?I know she's only a minor character, but I hope Zoey gets an arrow in the head or something. Or killed off by Smokey McNotLocke.Yeah, I hope they don't (really) kill off Desmond. Even though it was heavily suggested in this episode (sacrifice and all).

I see the conversation going something like:

Widmore "You can give up your successful life as my right hand man or...."

Desmond " Ok"

[muddi900]

I was thinking about that. It couldn't have been the nuke then. If the nuke split the timeline (like Back to the Future), and the island sinking is part of that new timeline, Dharmaville would have been destroyed. Even if the nuke didn't sink the island, the timeline where it happened was because of the nuke. Unless they rebuilt everything after the nuke in the new timeline and another event sunk it.

By the way, your assessment was correct; Jacob had 2 lists. One of the candidates in the caves and the light house, and one he gave the others. None of the main losties are on the second list.

[Urizen]

Someone remind me, have we seen Juliet in the alternate timeline yet?

Nope. Of course, she was never anywhere near Flight 815 to begin with. But she had the single biggest move of the entire show by setting off the bomb.

It would be a shame to not see her in the flash-sideways. At the same time, it's going to be both convoluted and ridiculously convenient for her to show up.

[Urizen]

Oh snap, I never thought of that... good call. Whatever EM field is there on the island could have contained or dampened the nuke. This is a good observation.

And the nuke was detonated at the bottom of that hole they dug in the rock. It wouldn't contain all of it but I can see how it could keep the town from being destroyed.

I really don't think normal physics apply in this case here. We don't know the power of that nuke in those circumstances. I've always pretty much assumed the nuke sunk the island, and that is that.

The nuke (whether the cause or not) I think was the splitting point. I think another, separate even (though maybe related) sank the island. I thought this was pretty much the common thought on this but I guess I was wrong.

Good point. The electromagnetic properties of that island have effects that we haven't really been made privy to. At least not completely.

Lest we forget, Juliet was lying on top of the bomb when it went off, and it didn't harm her at all. She lived long enough to die in Sawyer's arms hours later. Clearly, conventional physics do not apply. And perhaps Juliet has Desmond-like powers. Maybe that will come into play in the sideways.

[Jeffool]

The nuke (whether the cause or not) I think was the splitting point. I think another, separate even (though maybe related) sank the island. I thought this was pretty much the common thought on this but I guess I was wrong.Yeah, we've talked about it since the first episode of the season... I thought it was pretty much accepted...

My new theory is that "The Man in Black"'s escaping the island (before any Candidates could kill him and/or replace and Jacob) sank it, and ruined the alt-world in some way. (Possibly just making it impossible for anyone to be truly happy.)Eloise Hawking knows too much. Working for man in black?

I think so. She definitely has knowledge of things, and a stake in maintaining the status quo. I think it's possible she's a pawn of "The Man in Black" in the alt-timeline. I mean, if I'm right and he did escape, then he's still out there in the alt-timeline.

[bstiff]

I was thinking about that. It couldn't have been the nuke then. If the nuke split the timeline (like Back to the Future), and the island sinking is part of that new timeline, Dharmaville would have been destroyed. Even if the nuke didn't sink the island, the timeline where it happened was because of the nuke. Unless they rebuilt everything after the nuke in the new timeline and another event sunk it.

That assumes that the nuke explosion occurs in the new timeline which it may not have. Jack and company were never on the island to trigger the nuke in this timeline. Another event could have caused the island to sink. possibly the dharma guys ended up drilling into the pocket of energy and that's what sank the island? There's never a quantum physicist around when you need one....

Probably we'll never learn what actuall happened to the island. Im still wondering who was shooting at sawyer & co in the canoe last season.

[muddi900]

Nope. Of course, she was never anywhere near Flight 815 to begin with. But she had the single biggest move of the entire show by setting off the bomb.

It would be a shame to not see her in the flash-sideways. At the same time, it's going to be both convoluted and ridiculously convenient for her to show up.

She works at the same hospital as Jack and Ethan!

[DoctorFinger]

Elizabeth Mitchell is the lead in V now, so that's why we haven't seen more of her. I guess - hell I assume - she'll appear once more during the season, but nothing has been confirmed.

[Wraith]

Nope. Of course, she was never anywhere near Flight 815 to begin with. But she had the single biggest move of the entire show by setting off the bomb.

It would be a shame to not see her in the flash-sideways. At the same time, it's going to be both convoluted and ridiculously convenient for her to show up.

Though we've seen others not on 815, like Ben and Fisher Stevens and Desmond.

[Wraith]

And the freighter gang of course.

[Mike Kelehan]

Elizabeth Mitchell is the lead in V now, so that's why we haven't seen more of her. I guess - hell I assume - she'll appear once more during the season, but nothing has been confirmed.

That's one of the advantages of ABC Studios running both shows. If they need her for Lost, they'll make the scheduling work.

Also, she did say that she was allowed to say that Juliet will be in at least one more episode.

[Camel]

We are not watching the epilogue. They are going back to the Island again. After it pops back up to the surface. Like corks do.
You seem rather sure of an idea that involves a sunken island rising back to the surface of the ocean! :p

[cp#]

Yeah, we've talked about it since the first episode of the season... I thought it was pretty much accepted...

My new theory is that "The Man in Black"'s escaping the island (before any Candidates could kill him and/or replace and Jacob) sank it, and ruined the alt-world in some way. (Possibly just making it impossible for anyone to be truly happy.)

I think so. She definitely has knowledge of things, and a stake in maintaining the status quo. I think it's possible she's a pawn of "The Man in Black" in the alt-timeline. I mean, if I'm right and he did escape, then he's still out there in the alt-timeline.

And she made sure to send Locke's body back to the Island. Next thing you know, Jacob is dead.

[digitalErich]

My new theory is that "The Man in Black"'s escaping the island (before any Candidates could kill him and/or replace and Jacob) sank it, and ruined the alt-world in some way. (Possibly just making it impossible for anyone to be truly happy.)
I really hope there are greater consequences for MiB escaping than making everyone slightly more emo :)

[Urizen]

Eloise Hawking knows too much. Working for man in black?

And she made sure to send Locke's body back to the Island. Next thing you know, Jacob is dead.

I'm going to play Devil's Avocado here.

The relationship between MiB and Locke's body is not so clear cut. For one, one of Locke's bodies was buried on the beach a few episodes ago and was brought to the island by Alana. Second, MiB being in Locke's body was - until recently - affecting MiB. Remember him saying things like, 'Don't tell me what I can't do!"

If all MiB needed was a body, he could have done better than to pick someone with as much baggage as Locke.

Eloise - to me - seems to be playing the same role she did in the original timeline. She fancies herself a kind of oracle and gatekeeper. Sure she told Desmond he wasn't ready, but she did it in front of Daniel, and everything that needed to happen, did. I'm just saying, maybe Eloise said exactly what was needed of her to bring about the situation Desmond is in by the end of the show.

[digitalErich]

I think Eloise has/had the same "powers" as Desmond...that's my theory at least.

[Widgetcraft]

I think Eloise has/had the same "powers" as Desmond...that's my theory at least.

That thought had occurred to me as well, but at this point I'm going to say that we don't have enough information to make any kind of reasonable assessment of Eloise, even this late into the show.

[Abednigo]

That thought had occurred to me as well, but at this point I'm going to say that we don't have enough information to make any kind of reasonable assessment of Eloise, even this late into the show.

Actually I think we do. I just watched Season 3 episode "Flashes Before Your Eyes". When Desmond turned the key in the hatch and his mind was sent back to the past, right when Penny moved in with him, he went to a jewelry store to buy an engagement ring. And who was the salesperson? Duh, duh DUUUUUUH. Eloise. When he said he wanted to buy it she said, "No. You're not supposed to. You have second thoughts and leave." She then proceeded to tell him he was supposed to break up with Penny, attempt to sail around the world, crash on the island and push a button for 3 years. She said if he didn't do that, "We will all die", or something like that. It was pretty much the same disastrous result that Widmore told Jin two weeks ago would happen if UnLocke got off the island, and what (I think) Widmore then told to Desmond last week.

But a short while later in that season 3 episode when Eloise walks out of the store with Desmond, she points out the guy with the red shoes, who shortly after has the scaffolding fall on him and kill him. Desmond asks her if she knew it was going to happen. She said yes. She then explained to him that if she tried to stop him, tomorrow he'd get hit by a taxi, and on and on it would go. "The universe has a way of course correcting itself" she said, and that this guy was meant to die. Then back on the island, Desmond tells Charlie that he's tried to save him twice, but that he won't be able to stop it forever and Charlie's going to die. "The universe has a way of course correcting itself."

So yeah, I think Eloise knows EXACTLY what's going on in this parallel world.

It's this kind of stuff that makes me glad I'm watching the old seasons again (and thankful for 1-5 being on Netflix instant view!). There is so much I had totally forgotten, and being reminded of them with what we know now from this season makes this season even more awesome.

[muddi900]

So yeah, I think Eloise knows EXACTLY what's going on in this parallel world.

It's this kind of stuff that makes me glad I'm watching the old seasons again (and thankful for 1-5 being on Netflix instant view!). There is so much I had totally forgotten, and being reminded of them with what we know now from this season makes this season even more awesome.

This. Also, there hasn't been a bad Desmond episode yet, except may be his first appearance. 'Live together...' 'Flash...', 'Catch-22', 'The Constant', all brilliant.

[menage]

Just watched it, and I can't put into words how much I enjoyed it. This series is paying off big time.

Wonder why he went along with Said so easely.