Fallout 3 is on Steam

[LarsenNET]

You can now Pre-Purchase from Steam (http://store.steampowered.com/app/22300/)

I was going to post as news but it wouldn't let me.

[biosc1]

Nice...I was saying to myself I was probably going to wait for it to come out on Steam first.

I just hope I'm smart enough to finish the Witcher before purchasing yet another RPG :(

[Goronmon]

Oh damn it, now it's going to be even harder for me to not go broke this fall.

[Esquilax1138]

Hmmmmm do I want to get it on Steam and not have to get off my ass, or do I want to brave going to the store to get a collectors version with the bobblehead, tough call, but am leaning towards the collectors edition for the swag.

I like swag.


And saying swag.


Swag!

[LarsenNET]

I plan on getting this for the 360 from Goozex and trade it as soon as I'm done. If I end up really liking it I'll pick it up from Steam (so I can have it forever) on a weekend deal when it's down to around $20. That's what I did with Bioshock.

No word yet on DRM. It would be nice to see the entire Bethesda catalog on Steam.

[Goronmon]

I like swag.I like the idea of getting swag. But then I get it and all I can think is "What the fuck am I supposed to do with all this shit now?"

[Esquilax1138]

I just hope I'm smart enough to finish the Witcher before purchasing yet another RPG :(

I'm never that smart, I'm still finishing Oblivion :eek:

[Jackel]

Sweet!!! Another must buy for me....definitely looking forward to this one. I have far too many games on my *need to be played* list.

[LarsenNET]

I like the idea of getting swag. But then I get it and all I can think is "What the fuck am I supposed to do with all this shit now?"

Agreed, that's why I don't buy those anymore.

[NoName]

I had the collectors edition pre-ordered from Amazon but thanks to this news I canceled my order. I much rather have the game linked to my steam account and not have to worry about DRM* or disks.

*Of course Steam has it's own DRM needing the client installed but I'm much more ok with that than the other DRM schemes we've seen these days.

[DangerousDaze]

I'll never use Steam to buy brand new games again. The last time I did that the system said the game was available when it wasn't, and it took two full days before it was. The excuse was some utter bullshit about "steam time" which somehow runs either twice as slow or is fixed to a planet with a longer rotational period.

[crazyD]

Hmmmmm do I want to get it on Steam and not have to get off my ass, or do I want to brave going to the store to get a collectors version with the bobblehead, tough call, but am leaning towards the collectors edition for the swag.

I like swag.


And saying swag.


Swag!

I'm thinking the same thing. I wish I could get it on Steam and have them ship me the bobblehead and lunchbox.

[biosc1]

I'm never that smart, I'm still finishing Oblivion :eek:

Ha..true...I think I've replayed that "dungeon opening" so many times...that's why I can't go back to Oblivion, I keep losing my saves and I don't want to have to replay that dungeon again :(

[LarsenNET]

I had the collectors edition pre-ordered from Amazon but thanks to this news I canceled my order. I much rather have the game linked to my steam account and not have to worry about DRM* or disks.

*Of course Steam has it's own DRM needing the client installed but I'm much more ok with that than the other DRM schemes we've seen these days.

Unfortunately that isn't necessarily true. Some non-Valve games still have the extra DRM built in the same as retail. See Far Cry 2, Stalker: Clear Sky, Crysis: Warhead. Nothing mentioned yet for Fallout 3.

[violent]

Fuck, fuck, fuck. Just give me one ok. Tell me to go Steam and forget the Survival Edition. Someone.

[crazyD]

Fuck, fuck, fuck. Just give me one ok. Tell me to go Steam and forget the Survival Edition. Someone.

You know you need the bobblehead for your continued existence on this world. It would tear at you forever if you didn't get one.

[violent]

You know you need the bobblehead for your continued existence on this world. It would tear at you forever if you didn't get one.

It's really the pipboy that has my interest.

[Sazime]

You know you need the bobblehead for your continued existence on this world. It would tear at you forever if you didn't get one.
It's going up next to Spider-Man on my desk at work. :)

[biosc1]

So, you all are not going to go for the Nuka Cola bottle opener? :P

http://www.bestbuy.ca/marketing/_midnight_publish/key_departments/21132_EN.jpg

[Cit Phil Cit]

I live in Canada so I couldn't order the special editor from Amazon that includes all that extra junk. However, I can use the company US address instead...

the damn thing is going to be so expensive, I think I'll cancel it and get the steam version.

[roboninja]

I would get it from Steam, but Dell.ca had a $39.99 deal two days ago for the PC version, so I ordered it from there. Plus, with my new 60GB cap on downloads, getting these few gigs via a disc is more appealing than it was.

[hunterx280]

Figures, I literally go to lunch and pre-order the damn thing because I figured that 3 days away and no Steam announcement meant no Steam coverage. The only reason why it went on Steam is because I pre-ordered it. You guys should thank me.

[Telefrog]

I'm going to do exactly what I did for Oblivion. Buy it on 360 first, and then pick it up on PC much later after a system upgrade.

Fallout 3 would play on my system, but it wouldn't be pretty.

[hunterx280]

I'm going to do exactly what I did for Oblivion. Buy it on 360 first, and then pick it up on PC much later after a system upgrade.

Fallout 3 would play on my system, but it wouldn't be pretty.

They are really not that far off.

Oblivion:
http://www.oblivionportal.com/info/systemreq.php

Fallout 3:
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/55221

[Telefrog]

They are really not that far off.

Oblivion:
http://www.oblivionportal.com/info/systemreq.php

Fallout 3:
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/55221

Yeah. Far off enough.

[hunterx280]

Yeah. Far off enough.

Damn, that sucks. Sorry to hear that. At least you can play it on the 360, right? I played it at PAX and it was still highly enjoyable. In fact, when I'm feeling lazy, I will probably plug in a 360 controller and play it like that.

[J Arcane]

They are really not that far off.

Oblivion:
http://www.oblivionportal.com/info/systemreq.php

Fallout 3:
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/55221
Far off enough that my systems can run the former, but not the latter.

[OrangePulp]

I wonder about this, though. Normally, I'm all over games on steam. But considering some of the best mods for Morrowind and Oblivion utilized a script extender program... I'm not sure how well that would work with the steam version, if at all. Might be better just to buy the retail version.

[Morangie]

No word yet on DRM. It would be nice to see the entire Bethesda catalog on Steam.

I had the collectors edition pre-ordered from Amazon but thanks to this news I canceled my order. I much rather have the game linked to my steam account and not have to worry about DRM* or disks.

*Of course Steam has it's own DRM needing the client installed but I'm much more ok with that than the other DRM schemes we've seen these days.

Bethesda confirmed a while ago the disc will have a basic CD check only, same as Oblivion. So the steam version has more DRM than the disc.

I'll never use Steam to buy brand new games again. The last time I did that the system said the game was available when it wasn't, and it took two full days before it was. The excuse was some utter bullshit about "steam time" which somehow runs either twice as slow or is fixed to a planet with a longer rotational period.

No one in the UK should use Steam for brand new retail games anyway, its always more expensive than a boxed copy.

[Jackel]

I wonder about this, though. Normally, I'm all over games on steam. But considering some of the best mods for Morrowind and Oblivion utilized a script extender program... I'm not sure how well that would work with the steam version, if at all. Might be better just to buy the retail version.

From what I've seen in various Steam games that use mods. (the one that sticks out for me the most is Vampire: Masquerade Bloodlines). They all seem to maintain the same basic structure as the non-steam version does, so the mods and scripts that work for the retail version should all still work on the Steam version.

[hunterx280]

Far off enough that my systems can run the former, but not the latter.

Pssshhh... That's what overclocking is for. If it breaks it gives you a good excuse to upgrade LOL!

[Telefrog]

Damn, that sucks. Sorry to hear that. At least you can play it on the 360, right? I played it at PAX and it was still highly enjoyable. In fact, when I'm feeling lazy, I will probably plug in a 360 controller and play it like that.

And if it's anything like the situation with Oblivion my wife and I will get far more time in with the 360 version than the PC version anyway.

Crap, she only just stopped firing up Oblivion regularly to play Fable II.

[J Arcane]

Pssshhh... That's what overclocking is for. If it breaks it gives you a good excuse to upgrade LOL!
I actually did overclock the 6600 in the box that is now my Mac to boost frame rates in Oblivion.

And my current PC, while meeting the CPU requirement for a dual core, fails hard on the vidcard.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Sweet. Fallout 3's availability on Steam just makes the purchase that much easier for me.

I'm a big, big fan of Steam for my PC game purchases.

[hunterx280]

And if it's anything like the situation with Oblivion my wife and I will get far more time in with the 360 version than the PC version anyway.

Crap, she only just stopped firing up Oblivion regularly to play Fable II.

I wish I could get my wife interested. She watched me play it at PAX and seemed so bored. Even when I knocked some guys head off with a tire iron. I felt bad. It's hard to get her to game. She does occasionally but usually only things like a Mario game.

[Dukefrukem]

God damn steam is on a tear...

[Sazime]

God damn steam is on a tear...
Best online distribution model for PC games on the net. Unless someone can tell me one that's better...

[Reverant]

Dammit, Steam. Far Cry 2, then Fallout 3? I'm going bankrupt here.

[KingGorilla]

Best online distribution model for PC games on the net. Unless someone can tell me one that's better...

Well, I would go with Impulse, or GoG, no DRM makes me a happy boy.

I was somewhat concerned about Fallout. It is a bit dim, but I do not think Oblivion was available digitally on day 1, or week 1 for that matter.

[SilentScreams]

I was going to skip this until I'd finished Fable 2 and Far Cry 2, but my friend got his review copy a couple of days ago and I've been listening to him raving about it for the last 5 hours while we played a little Fable 2 co-op (not as bad as people are making out).
Now it's on Steam, it's going to be even harder to resist.

[Hotcod]

Well, I would go with Impulse, or GoG, no DRM makes me a happy boy.

I was somewhat concerned about Fallout. It is a bit dim, but I do not think Oblivion was available digitally on day 1, or week 1 for that matter.

Impulse is better in what it tries to do but given that it lacks the drm of steam it will never get the same number of games. Publishers and developers in general like steam as it has a huge install base and it dose for the most part have effective DRM... you would be hard pressed to find major games that would be happy to be sold on a online distribution system that dose not have built in DRM.

Steam has done so well beacuse it's a effective compromise in terms of DRM. I'm happy to have games on steam beacuse what DRM there is is well worth it simply for the steam system and beacuse people are happy with steams DRM then every one wins... publishers are ok about putting games on it and users are happy to by them

I mean i will be far more likely to buy a game if it's on steam these days... and i will be buying fallout 3 on it as well as far cry 2 when i have the money...

[boratika]

When I noticed this in steam, my thought process was pretty much "Sweet! Balls!" The first exclamation was for my delight that the game was on Steam and furthermore, available here. The second was for when I noticed they are charging us $70 (USD) for it. Which today translates to $112.45. I'll probably be able to find it at retail for $80.

[Hotcod]

$50 on steam here which is £30 odd pound with tax it will be as cheap or cheaper than you could find it at retial

[DangerousDaze]

$50 on steam here which is £30 odd pound with tax it will be as cheap or cheaper than you could find it at retial

Bear in mind that if you're UK based, even though the game's released on Friday, and Steam says it will be unlocked on Friday, it'll actually be Sunday by the time you can even begin to download it if past experience is anything to go by. If you're happy to wait then fine, but if you want to play it over the weekend you may well be screwed.

[Morangie]

$50 on steam here which is £30 odd pound with tax it will be as cheap or cheaper than you could find it at retial

No.

Fallout is $58.74 (with tax) which is currently (http://www.xe.com/ucc/) £36.98. The disc (http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/advanced_search.asp?keyword=fallout+3&prodcode=&min_price=&max_price=&platform=ALL&x=0&y=0) is £24.99 for the standard version with the collectors edition at £34.99. So by using steam you're paying £12 more than the basic disc and £2 more than the collectors edition.

Steam is a rip-off for big releases.

edit:

Steam has done so well beacuse it's a effective compromise in terms of DRM. I'm happy to have games on steam beacuse what DRM there is is well worth it simply for the steam system and beacuse people are happy with steams DRM then every one wins... publishers are ok about putting games on it and users are happy to by them

I mean i will be far more likely to buy a game if it's on steam these days... and i will be buying fallout 3 on it as well as far cry 2 when i have the money...

The steam version of Fallout 3 has more DRM than the disc. Far Cry 2 on steam has more DRM since it has both Securom and steam restrictions.

[Hotcod]

Hmmm, i have to admit i didn't check online stores for fallout 3 and by retail i almost always mean shops rather than online. The steam copy is easily the same price at any store will have it and given i would have to spend money on going to get it it would be cheaper than picking it up there. In other words steam is almost always cheaper than brick and mortar stores. I should have made that more clear in my post really but ah well. If you think steam is a rip off than all shops are rip off too... which seems to be true when you can get it online for that price but the point is still that steam is competitive with most shops and as such is not as bad as you claim it to be. The thing is that I do like steam enough that i'm in fact willing to pay extra for it but ya... maybe not £12 and not for the stupid price they where selling CoD4 for...

As for the drm, what i was trying to say was that publishers like steam beacuse it has it's own drm. Saddly this isn't stopping the bigger games turn up with there own drm too but that's beside the point i was trying to make. Impulse will not pull in the big name games to the same extent that steam dose beacuse steam has it's own drm that users are happy to deal with. Which is why the news of stardock being challanged to come up with user freindly drm is very very good, if they can find something that works it will no doubt be offered to publishers who want to use impluse which will adress that balance and is only a good thing.

[axion]

The steam version of Fallout 3 has more DRM than the disc. Far Cry 2 on steam has more DRM since it has both Securom and steam restrictions.

Actually, once downloaded, you don't need Steam at all to play FC2, it is just installed in the Steam directory, and playable from there without using Steam at all.

[Jackel]

Actually, once downloaded, you don't need Steam at all to play FC2, it is just installed in the Steam directory, and playable from there without using Steam at all.

shush...that is knowledge that only those with a Magic PC should know :)

[Schnoogs]

I'll never use Steam to buy brand new games again. The last time I did that the system said the game was available when it wasn't, and it took two full days before it was. The excuse was some utter bullshit about "steam time" which somehow runs either twice as slow or is fixed to a planet with a longer rotational period.

So instead you'll go to the store and have to fuck around with install discs and keeping a disc in the CD tray and having to move disc around if you have multiple installs and fucking with patches.

Sounds like a winner! :p

[Morangie]

If you think steam is a rip off than all shops are rip off too... which seems to be true when you can get it online for that price but the point is still that steam is competitive with most shops and as such is not as bad as you claim it to be.

Bricks and mortar stores have to stock and sell a physical product, steam should always be cheaper than that. Just matching the price isn't good enough, never mind being £12 more expensive than having the disc delivered to you.

(Yes, I know the official reasoning behind steam prices being the same as the RRP and no, I don't care. A rip-off is a rip-off.)

So instead you'll go to the store and have to fuck around with install discs and keeping a disc in the CD tray and having to move disc around if you have multiple installs and fucking with patches.

Sounds like a winner! :p

Putting a disc in a tray is hard, true.

[Hotcod]

Bricks and mortar stores have to stock and sell a physical product, steam should always be cheaper than that. Just matching the price isn't good enough, never mind being £12 more expensive than having the disc delivered to you.

(Yes, I know the official reasoning behind steam prices being the same as the RRP and no, I don't care. A rip-off is a rip-off.)

Still dose not change the fact that steam is competitive with retail prices. It also comes with it's own advantages that the physical product doesn't and when faced with equal priced things i would always take steam. Now don't get me wrong i do think games on steam should be cheaper but we are still in early days of DD and every one is having to tread a very fine line.

If publishers started to dump games on to DD at a much cheaper price than retail stores would stop stocking there games... given that DD is not yet the main sales platform expecting publishers to do it is stupid.

So in other words, steam should be and will in time get cheaper... for the moment the prices on steam are mostly competitive with the prices you'd be paying in most other places and for me and a number of my freinds (and people in this thread) we would much rather, for the same price, have games on steam with out the hassle of physical media than not.

talking of which

Putting a disc in a tray is hard, true.

again not the point. At the moment there are at lest 20 games on my steam list that with out steam i would probably own as physical disks. Now that means storing twenty boxes and carting them around where ever i move to and when installing on to a new computer needing to install from at lest 20 disks... which is a pain in the ass.

On top of that i'm using a gaming laptop... and unless i start coming in to more money than i expect it's likely that i'll carry on gaming on laptops. Since if i carry on from uni in to any kind of graphic industry a powerful laptop is always going to be of use to me and it's cheaper to up it a bit and make it a gaming one than buy a gaming desktop. Point being that where ever i take this laptop i can play any of the games on my steam list with out having to carry around the cds i would other wise need.

Gaming on laptops is going to become ever more prevalent over the next few years... they are getting cheaper and better and there are lots of people that may end up doing the same thing as me in the long run. Being tied to physical media when on a laptop is a HUGE pain in the ass and as such i think that one of the selling points of DD is going to be more and more that it is good for gaming laptops.

[Goronmon]

The steam version of Fallout 3 has more DRM than the disc. Far Cry 2 on steam has more DRM since it has both Securom and steam restrictions.I could care less about the "amount" of DRM my games come with. I only care about how much the DRM affects my gaming experience. The DRM on Steam may as well be non-existant for how intrusive it is on my ability to play.

[Schnoogs]

Putting a disc in a tray is hard, true.

thanks for ingoring the other things I listed thus proving my point via cheap deflection. :rolleyes:

[Morangie]

Still dose not change the fact that steam is competitive with retail prices. It also comes with it's own advantages that the physical product doesn't and when faced with equal priced things i would always take steam. Now don't get me wrong i do think games on steam should be cheaper but we are still in early days of DD and every one is having to tread a very fine line.

If publishers started to dump games on to DD at a much cheaper price than retail stores would stop stocking there games... given that DD is not yet the main sales platform expecting publishers to do it is stupid.

So in other words, steam should be and will in time get cheaper... for the moment the prices on steam are mostly competitive with the prices you'd be paying in most other places and for me and a number of my freinds (and people in this thread) we would much rather, for the same price, have games on steam with out the hassle of physical media than not.

Steam will not get cheaper. Why the hell will it, when people gladly pay the current prices and even argue in defence of them?

Now that means storing twenty boxes and carting them around where ever i move to and when installing on to a new computer needing to install from at lest 20 disks... which is a pain in the ass.

Installing from discs, installing from steam, you're still installing but discs don't need to download first. And unless you're a gaming hobo I doubt you're moving from place to place so much that putting 20 jewel/DVD cases into a box is a herculean feat.

On top of that i'm using a gaming laptop... and unless i start coming in to more money than i expect it's likely that i'll carry on gaming on laptops. Since if i carry on from uni in to any kind of graphic industry a powerful laptop is always going to be of use to me and it's cheaper to up it a bit and make it a gaming one than buy a gaming desktop. Point being that where ever i take this laptop i can play any of the games on my steam list with out having to carry around the cds i would other wise need.

Gaming on laptops is going to become ever more prevalent over the next few years... they are getting cheaper and better and there are lots of people that may end up doing the same thing as me in the long run. Being tied to physical media when on a laptop is a HUGE pain in the ass and as such i think that one of the selling points of DD is going to be more and more that it is good for gaming laptops.

After you've installed the game, download a no CD crack.

Lets say if those 20 games were priced the same on steam and from an online store as Fallout 3 is, thats £12 saved per game. I just saved you £240, a further 9 £25 new PC titles with £15 left over for an older game thats dropped in price. Something else that doesn't seem to happen too often on steam with big titles. (Bioshock and CoD4 are still full price on steam. They're both still more expensive than Fallout 3 is going to be.)

[Goronmon]

Steam will not get cheaper. Why the hell will it, when people gladly pay the current prices and even argue in defence of them?Because more people will buy a product if it's cheaper. The existence of a customer base at a certain point does not mean that any price change is worthless. Valve has no control over the cost of the games on Steam. That's up to the publishers who are at the mercy of the retailers. Until Digital Distribution makes up most of a games sales, expect the prices between DD and retail to stay similar.

[Schnoogs]

You just don't get it....I recently setup a new HTPC.

I installed all 60 something steam games by simply clicking the titles. Piece of cake.

After that I spent HOURS installing my other 30 or so games that require physical discs. It was a royal pain in the ass....and on top of that I have those games and boxes cluttering my HT room.

Oh and then there was the process of tracking down the patches...an even bigger pain the ass.

I also did the same process for my other PC and my notebook.

Steam is a piece of fucking cake...arguing against the benefits just makes you look silly and desperate for a fight. Keep trying though man.

[violent]

You just don't get it....I recently setup a new HTPC.

I installed all 60 something steam games by simply clicking the titles. Piece of cake.

After that I spent HOURS installing my other 30 or so games that require physical discs. It was a royal pain in the ass....and on top of that I have those games and boxes cluttering my HT room.

I also did the same process for my other PC and my notebook.

Steam is a piece of fucking cake...arguing against the benefits just makes you look silly and desperate for a fight.

I think it could be a matter of people not warming up to the DD model yet. I used to be a hardcore collector and I wanted the proper editions and blah blah blah. Then I sucked it up and tried Steam and honestly, I haven't looked back. If you were to lay out all the pieces, the good of Steam strongly outweighs that of physical media.

[J Arcane]

Morangie, there's something of a regional difference at work here. US Steam prices are almost always equal to or less than the retail price, and many, many games are discounted after a while these days.

I'm not familiar with how the pricing winds up working out for you Britfolks, but for me here in the US, there's really no monetary argument against it for me.

And personally, I find nothing to complain about in the Steam DRM system, because for me it's far more convenient to have all my games in a central digital repository where I can just download them at my leisure as many times as I want, on as many computers as I want, from anywhere I want, all with a single login.

[Schnoogs]

it's far more convenient to have all my games in a central digital repository where I can just download them at my leisure as many times as I want, on as many computers as I want, from anywhere I want, all with a single login.

End of discussion! ;)

[Morangie]

I could care less about the "amount" of DRM my games come with. I only care about how much the DRM affects my gaming experience. The DRM on Steam may as well be non-existant for how intrusive it is on my ability to play.

Fair enough.

thanks for ingoring the other things I listed thus proving my point via cheap deflection. :rolleyes:

If you insist.

So instead you'll go to the store and have to fuck around with install discs and keeping a disc in the CD tray and having to move disc around if you have multiple installs and fucking with patches.

Sounds like a winner! :p

Order online and its delivered to your house, here in the UK at a far cheaper price than steam. Steam has to download and install, a disc you have to put in the drive and install. Use a No CD crack. Multiple installs, use a no CD crack. And if someone can't manage to download a patch from any of the many, many sites offering them then they're far too stupid to deal with any of the wonderful little problems PC gaming will throw at them anyway.

You just don't get it....I recently setup a new HTPC.

I installed all 60 something steam games by simply clicking the titles. Piece of cake.

After that I spent HOURS installing my other 30 or so games that require physical discs. It was a royal pain in the ass....and on top of that I have those games and boxes cluttering my HT room.

Oh and then there was the process of tracking down the patches...an even bigger pain the ass.

I also did the same process for my other PC and my notebook.

Thats a problem for you. My PC games are on one shelf, if I want to install to a different PC I take the disc down and put it in the drive.

Steam is a piece of fucking cake...arguing against the benefits just makes you look silly and desperate for a fight. Keep trying though man.
I've never said steam wasn't easy to use. I said here, in the UK, its a complete rip off for big releases. I'm happy to spend 2 minutes finding a patch to save £12 on every new release.

Until Digital Distribution makes up most of a games sales, expect the prices between DD and retail to stay similar.
I guess I'm just more of a pessimist than you. I remember hearing a similar argument about music CDs when they first arrived, that they would drop in price as CDs replaced tapes. Only people were happily paying the higher prices, so no studio had any incentive to ever drop the price.

Morangie, there's something of a regional difference at work here. US Steam prices are almost always equal to or less than the retail price, and many, many games are discounted after a while these days.

I'm not familiar with how the pricing winds up working out for you Britfolks, but for me here in the US, there's really no monetary argument against it for me.

Quite true, but I was mainly replying was to Hotcod when he said here in the UK Fallout 3 on steam was still priced close to a boxed copy when it really, really isn't.

And personally, I find nothing to complain about in the Steam DRM system, because for me it's far more convenient to have all my games in a central digital repository where I can just download them at my leisure as many times as I want, on as many computers as I want, from anywhere I want, all with a single login.
I think it could be a matter of people not warming up to the DD model yet. I used to be a hardcore collector and I wanted the proper editions and blah blah blah. Then I sucked it up and tried Steam and honestly, I haven't looked back. If you were to lay out all the pieces, the good of Steam strongly outweighs that of physical media.

Agreed, steam has many nice features and I have quite a few games through it. Just not enough nice features that, here in the UK, its worth spending £12 more on every big title to avoid the inconvenience of putting a disc in a drive.

Man, thats a lot of quotes.

[violent]

Agreed, steam has many nice features and I have quite a few games through it. Just not enough nice features that, here in the UK, its worth spending £12 more on every big title to avoid the inconvenience of putting a disc in a drive.


What I see as the biggest benefit of going DD is damage to your original copy. I have so many CD's that I could swear they're multiplying. If your Fallout 3 disc gets damaged then the only way to play again legally is by purchasing another copy. If the company would send you another copy based on proof of purchase then that would be a huge step in the right direction. Until then, DD in spades.

[J Arcane]

Agreed, steam has many nice features and I have quite a few games through it. Just not enough nice features that, here in the UK, its worth spending £12 more on every big title to avoid the inconvenience of putting a disc in a drive.


Rip-Off Britain at work again I guess. I find it rather abominable the shit they pull with pricing over there.

[Schnoogs]

Thats a problem for you.

I've never said steam wasn't easy to use.

Way to contradict yourself...you recognize it's easier to use but also try to play it off like I'm the only one who doesn't like to install games, patch them and run around retrieving the play discs.

[Hotcod]

Steam will not get cheaper. Why the hell will it, when people gladly pay the current prices and even argue in defence of them?


Because as DD takes over platforms will have to start competing and the prices will start to fall... it's the same as asking why we saw a price drop at online retails vs stores... if people where happy paying the same price online for games why would online stores like the one you linked be selling them for cheaper?


Installing from discs, installing from steam, you're still installing but discs don't need to download first. And unless you're a gaming hobo I doubt you're moving from place to place so much that putting 20 jewel/DVD cases into a box is a herculean feat.

Lets just go over this... open steam, click some games to install, go to bed... or put disk 1 in, wait for game to install, take disk 1 out (and in your view find and install no cd crack) now put disk 2 in, wait for game to install... ext ext... yes i see your way is so much better

As given i'm a student and have been out of accommodation a hell of a lot and in places with out much room to store stuff having things on steam is stupidly useful. As i get more and more games on steam and other things the number is only going to get bigger... there are some people on this forum with upwards of a hundred games on steam and i will easily reach the number in 3 years even with out much money to spend... when you start talking about keeping and storing that many disks and boxes and shifting them around then you start to get a good idea[/quote]


After you've installed the game, download a no CD crack.

Lets say if those 20 games were priced the same on steam and from an online store as Fallout 3 is, thats £12 saved per game. I just saved you £240, a further 9 £25 new PC titles with £15 left over for an older game thats dropped in price. Something else that doesn't seem to happen too often on steam with big titles. (Bioshock and CoD4 are still full price on steam. They're both still more expensive than Fallout 3 is going to be.)

Yes so i brake the law and have to deal with cracks and patches and lose the ability to play online with those games i crack... makes perfect sense.

You can use the same argument for people who buy anything at RRP rather than hunting down what ever will save them the most money with every thing they do... £12 in the grand view of things is how much i can have to pay to get a taxi home after a night out and while it is pushing it in terms of 'steam value' the fact is that forgoing that taxi and crashing at a freinds house and using that extra £12 to buy a game on steam and all the advantages i get from that really isn't as dumb as you seem to want to make it out to be.

You don't want to do it, which is fine... you don't think a game at RRP on steam is worth it as i'm sure you never ever buy a game at anything close the RRP ever... which is fine... but please stop trying to make out that you are some how right rather than just stating a personal preference.

[Hotcod]

Quite true, but I was mainly replying was to Hotcod when he said here in the UK Fallout 3 on steam was still priced close to a boxed copy when it really, really isn't.


Walk in to any store when fall out 3 comes out and find me a copy for £24... i dare you... the point your trying to make is not that steam is a rip off for games but that the RRP is. It's also funny that you insist on talking about buying games cheaper from online stores and then say you can't understand why games on steam will get cheaper as the DD gets more in to place. If people where happy buying games from stores at RRP why then would online retailers drop there prices by as much as some do instead of just making more profit? to you that must seem like craziness!

You talk about CDs replacing tapes but that's such a false analogy i have no idea where to even start with it... No, in fact i do... Itunes. Itunes has become so prevalent that it's forced a drop in the price of physical CD album sales let alone DD.


Agreed, steam has many nice features and I have quite a few games through it. Just not enough nice features that, here in the UK, its worth spending £12 more on every big title to avoid the inconvenience of putting a disc in a drive.

Man, thats a lot of quotes.

Again, that you don't think it's worth it is fine but please for the love of god stop trying to make out that your view of the relative value is absolute.

[DangerousDaze]

So instead you'll go to the store and have to fuck around with install discs and keeping a disc in the CD tray and having to move disc around if you have multiple installs and fucking with patches.

Sounds like a winner! :p

Heh, I already bought another game from Steam since I posted that, just not a "brand new" one. It pisses me off that they blatantly lie about their release dates but you can't knock the other benefits. ;)

However I wouldn't go as far as to totally agree with the perfection you describe - I've had at least one game bought from Steam that never received a patch even though the physical version did. A rare occurrence though.

[Morangie]

Way to contradict yourself...you recognize it's easier to use but also try to play it off like I'm the only one who doesn't like to install games, patch them and run around retrieving the play discs.

Easy means easier to you? Installing from a disc is easy.

Walk in to any store when fall out 3 comes out and find me a copy for £24... i dare you... the point your trying to make is not that steam is a rip off for games but that the RRP is. It's also funny that you insist on talking about buying games cheaper from online stores and then say you can't understand why games on steam will get cheaper as the DD gets more in to place. If people where happy buying games from stores at RRP why then would online retailers drop there prices by as much as some do instead of just making more profit? to you that must seem like craziness!

I won't need to walk into a store, it'll arrive through my letterbox. If you want to ignore an entire retail channel thats your issue. And the point is that steam (again here in the UK) is a rip-off for big releases. This is not in question. Its a rip-off. Retail stores have many costs that simply don't exist for steam yet the price remains the same. Like I said earlier, I know the reasoning and I don't care. Still a rip-off.

But since steam will be £37 and the RRP is £35 I could walk into a shop and get it cheaper. The RRP is cheaper than steam.

Again, that you don't think it's worth it is fine but please for the love of god stop trying to make out that your view of the relative value is absolute.

Fallout 3 costs far more on steam than an online store and slightly more than a bricks and morter store. Steam is very, very poor value. If you view not installing from a disc as worth being ripped off then go you.

[Schnoogs]

Installing from a disc is easy..

Not really...it takes a lot of time and requires you to be near by to change discs...games like X3 span 6 CDs.

Then you have to scour the internet looking for patches...some of my older games don't have websites anymore...I had to download patches from peoples private websites and who knows whether they can be trusted or not.

Then there's the issue of having to swap the CD when I change games and pack them when I travel with my notebook.

Uh oh!!! I just broke a CD...what to do now? I'm sure the publisher will give me a replacement...right? Oh wait they won't.

Walking to work is easy...I prefer to drive though. :p

[crazyD]

Easy means easier to you? Installing from a disc is easy.

Are you actually trying to say that it is easier to install off of disks, input a CD key, download and install patches, and download and apply a crack then to double click on a name on the Steam list? I agree it is not hard to reinstall PC games from disk, but it is definitely not easier then Steam.

[violent]

Are you actually trying to say that it is easier to install off of disks, input a CD key, download and install patches, and download and apply a crack then to double click on a name on the Steam list? I agree it is not hard to reinstall PC games from disk, but it is definitely not easier then Steam.

He's saying it's easy, not easier.

[Morangie]

Not really...it takes a lot of time and requires you to be near by to change discs...games like X3 span 6 CDs.

Then you have to scour the internet looking for patches...some of my older games don't have websites anymore...I had to download patches from peoples private websites and who knows whether they can be trusted or not.

Then there's the issue of having to swap the CD when I change games and pack them when I travel with my notebook.

Uh oh!!! I just broke a CD...what to do now? I'm sure the publisher will give me a replacement...right? Oh wait they won't.

Walking to work is easy...I prefer to drive though. :p

PC games coming on CDs is an American problem. The rest of the world moved to DVDs a while back :).

There are plenty of trustworthy game sites around that offer patch downloads, it isn't like you're grabbing random files over p2p to find the right one.

No CD cracks do come from less trustworthy sources but a little background checking can find you a legit crack. Lose the disc? I hear you can aquire ISOs from many places but though I don't have a problem downloading a copy of and cracking a game I've paid for, you may.

My point has never been that discs are better than steam but that, for the UK, steam costs so much more that the conveniences it offers just aren't worth it.

[TheKeck]

Hmmmmm do I want to get it on Steam and not have to get off my ass, or do I want to brave going to the store to get a collectors version with the bobblehead, tough call, but am leaning towards the collectors edition for the swag.

I like swag.


And saying swag.


Swag!
SWAG = Stuff We All Get.

Only people who actually pay out for the collector's edition get the stuff. :p

[Hotcod]

heavily edited to make my point more clear :)

I won't need to walk into a store, it'll arrive through my letterbox. If you want to ignore an entire retail channel thats your issue.
And the point is that steam (again here in the UK) is a rip-off for big releases. This is not in question. Its a rip-off. Retail stores have many costs that simply don't exist for steam yet the price remains the same. Like I said earlier, I know the reasoning and I don't care. Still a rip-off. But since steam will be £37 and the RRP is £35 I could walk into a shop and get it cheaper. The RRP is cheaper than steam.


Again i wasn't asking what you where going to be doing i was simply asking you to prove to me that steam is not competitive with the price you would pay in a store. I said steam costs close to what you would find in a store and you have yet to prove me wrong on that point... what you have proven is that you can get the game cheaper than the RRP by shopping about online. I freely admitted that i didn't take online retail in to account and you have since then been calling steam a rip off. So given that steam is close to RRP you will pay in most stores you must think that stores are also a rip off but for some reason seem reluctant to say so.

Your also are shifting your point around from saying you don't think £12 is worth having a game on steam to steam costing more than RRP... is £2 more than RRP not worth it for steam? given i have to spend more than that to get the bus in and out of town it becomes a none issue.

I just wish you would own up and say you think any one who buys the game at store rather than online is as much as an idiot as you think people who buy the game on steam are.


No CD cracks do come from less trustworthy sources but a little background checking can find you a legit crack. Lose the disc? I hear you can aquire ISOs from many places but though I don't have a problem downloading a copy of and cracking a game I've paid for, you may.

Ya, no cd cracks are grate... dealing with the risk of viruses and the like and losing the ability to play any form of multiplayer the game may offer as well as having to get a new crack if you want to use new patches and so on... so hassle free!

[Dukefrukem]

Again i wasn't asking what you where going to be doing i was simply asking you to prove to me that steam is no competitive with the price you would pay in a store. I said steam costs close to what you would find in a store and you have yet to prove me wrong on that point... what you have proven is that you can get the game cheaper than the RRP by shopping about online.

Your also are shifting your point around from saying you don't think £12 is worth having a game on steam to steam costing more than RRP... is £2 more than RRP not worth it for steam? given i have to spend more than that to get the bus in and out of town it becomes a none issue.

That's fine i just wish you would own up and say you think any one who buys the game at store rather than online is as much as an idiot as you think people who buy the game on steam are.



Ya, no cd cracks are grate... dealing with the risk of viruses and the like and losing the ability to play any form of multiplayer the game may offer as well as having to get a new crack if you want to use new patches and so on... so hassle free!

Winner!! .

[Morangie]

heavily edited to make my point more clear :)



Again i wasn't asking what you where going to be doing i was simply asking you to prove to me that steam is not competitive with the price you would pay in a store. I said steam costs close to what you would find in a store and you have yet to prove me wrong on that point... what you have proven is that you can get the game cheaper than the RRP by shopping about online. I freely admitted that i didn't take online retail in to account and you have since then been calling steam a rip off. So given that steam is close to RRP you will pay in most stores you must think that stores are also a rip off but for some reason seem reluctant to say so.

Your also are shifting your point around from saying you don't think £12 is worth having a game on steam to steam costing more than RRP... is £2 more than RRP not worth it for steam? given i have to spend more than that to get the bus in and out of town it becomes a none issue.

The only reason I bothered to mention bricks and morter stores is because you kept bringing them up. I'm happy to focus on steam being £12 more than any of the major online retailers. I'm unsure where you're getting my "reluctance to say high street stores are a rip off" from. They sell at the RRP and they have to stock and display a physical product. Steam gives you a download and charges more. Though yes, the high street is a rip-off compared to online stores but this applies to everything, not just games.

I just wish you would own up and say you think any one who buys the game at store rather than online is as much as an idiot as you think people who buy the game on steam are.

Anyone who pays more for a game when they could get it cheaper is an idiot. Anyone who pays the most they possibly could for a game when they could get it cheaper is a fucking idiot.

Ya, no cd cracks are grate... dealing with the risk of viruses and the like and losing the ability to play any form of multiplayer the game may offer as well as having to get a new crack if you want to use new patches and so on... so hassle free!

You give some aspects of steam as a benefit, I show how you can get the same benefits from a disc without paying through the ass. I never said working with cracks was easier than steam.

[Telefrog]

I never understand why keeping discs is such a major hassle for some people. Are books a major hassle as well? Do people lose their books? I suppose some people do find it difficult to keep their property in good working order and organized. I guess I'm lucky to do otherwise.

[J Arcane]

I never understand why keeping discs is such a major hassle for some people. Are books a major hassle as well? Do people lose their books? I suppose some people do find it difficult to keep their property in good working order and organized. I guess I'm lucky to do otherwise.
Well, in my case, I move around a lot, and it's very, very frequent that the majority of my game discs are in storage somewhere or otherwise unavailable to me at the moment.

There's been times when I've had to pirate games I already owned, simply because my discs weren't accessible to me at the time.

I also have limited hard drive space, and while it usually takes a while to come up, I tend to install a LOT of games, and sooner or later I'll have to uninstall something to make room.

Of course, with my Steam stuff, I don't have this problem, I can install with just a download, and uninstalling is even easier, just a right-click and a confirmation dialogue to remove the game.

[Hotcod]

The only reason I bothered to mention bricks and morter stores is because you kept bringing them up. I'm happy to focus on steam being £12 more than any of the major online retailers. I'm unsure where you're getting my "reluctance to say high street stores are a rip off" from. They sell at the RRP and they have to stock and display a physical product. Steam gives you a download and charges more. Though yes, the high street is a rip-off compared to online stores but this applies to everything, not just games.

Anyone who pays more for a game when they could get it cheaper is an idiot. Anyone who pays the most they possibly could for a game when they could get it cheaper is a fucking idiot.

You give some aspects of steam as a benefit, I show how you can get the same benefits from a disc without paying through the ass. I never said working with cracks was easier than steam.

*sigh* ho hum can't say i tried at lest i've gotten you to admit that you think any one who doesn't buy the game online retail is an idiot.

Now can i ask if everything you buy is the cheapest you can get it anywhere? beacuse by your logic, if you have, then your an idiot... unless you want to talk about relative value of things, in which case we can start talking about how it's up to people to judge there own relative values and as such some one can easily buy the game on steam or even in a physical store for more than £24 and not be an idiot if they feel the relative value is worth it.

So in other words, by admitting that you think every one who doesn't buy things the cheapest they can get it is an idiot you've effectively left your self with two choices. Either admit that your an idiot (as you will do the same some point in your life) or that it's all relative and your subjective value is not the be all and end all and as such people can buy games on steam with out being idiots if its worth it for them.

[Schnoogs]

There are plenty of trustworthy game sites around that offer patch downloads, it isn't like you're grabbing random files over p2p to find the right one..

Not every game though can be found on those sites...that was my point. Then you're left scurrying around the internet.

With Steam that problem doesn't exist. It just works! ;)

[Schnoogs]

Ya, no cd cracks are grate... dealing with the risk of viruses and the like and losing the ability to play any form of multiplayer the game may offer as well as having to get a new crack if you want to use new patches and so on... so hassle free!

You hit the nail on the head...last thing I want is to be banned by PunkBuster or VAC because I used a hack/crack.

[RandoM51]

There were interface/UI mods out for Oblivion within days---and man were they needed. Will such support be possible with the Steam version of Fallout3?

[Morangie]

So in other words, by admitting that you think every one who doesn't buy things the cheapest they can get it is an idiot you've effectively left your self with two choices. Either admit that your an idiot (as you will do the same some point in your life) or that it's all relative and your subjective value is not the be all and end all and as such people can buy games on steam with out being idiots if its worth it for them.

Wow, you sure caught me in your mighty logic trap there. You don't seem to grasp that paying far more for something that you have to is idiotic.

This thread seems to have run its course since you're just repeating the same things and I'm replying with the same tired answers so I'll leave on this: when companies see someone like you coming, not only willing to pay a huge premium but actually defending getting ripped off, they do a happy little dance with a massive fucking smile on their faces.

[GigaFuzz]

Buying new games here on Steam costs more than a boxed copy: Fact.

Paying more on Steam is/isn't worth it: Opinion.

Personally, if a game is only slightly more expensive on Steam than a boxed copy, I'll gladly take the Steam version. If it's way more expensive on Steam (which is so often the case), then there's no way I'll get it. I'm willing to pay a little more for the benefits that Steam offers, but not twice the price in some cases.

For example, Call of Duty 4 is $70 on Steam. Plus tax and converted, that's over £50, which is more than we pay for brand new console game, in a retail store, let alone online.

Basically, it comes down to how much more you're willing to pay for the benefits of Steam. Morangie's not willing to pay £12, some of you obviously are. Fair enough.

Edit: Sometimes I even buy a game in a shop (ohnoes!) if I'm feeling impulsive. I like the instant gratification, and occasional deals they have on. GAME for one is great for the 3 for £10 budget games.

[Jackel]

There were interface/UI mods out for Oblivion within days---and man were they needed. Will such support be possible with the Steam version of Fallout3?

The Steam version is no different from the retail version. All the same files are located in the common folder on steam, so mod / interface support should all still be present.

[Hotcod]

Wow, you sure caught me in your mighty logic trap there. You don't seem to grasp that paying far more for something that you have to is idiotic.

This thread seems to have run its course since you're just repeating the same things and I'm replying with the same tired answers so I'll leave on this: when companies see someone like you coming, not only willing to pay a huge premium but actually defending getting ripped off, they do a happy little dance with a massive fucking smile on their faces.

See this is the problem, i've spent this thread trying to get the heart of the matter and why your point of view is stupid and logically flawed by the typical "my preference is truth" thing people tend to fall in to. You're just yet again refusing to see that which is why what i'm posting must seem like i'm saying the same thing over and over when the truth is that i've been trying to find ways to make you look at what your saying and really think about it.

I bated you in the logic trap for exactly that reason. The fact you simply dismiss that and what i was saying with out at all trying to deal with it just re-enforces the idea that you are either amazingly arrogant or simply a little bit dumb. Either way you are unable to actually deal with the idea i was getting at and as such you are right this thread is over.

I will end by saying this, you in your life will often pay more than you have to for a product based on other factors. Price is all about relative value and the simple fact is that fall out 3 on steam is not fall out 3 in a box, they are in essence different products with different values. Paying the RRP for a game on steam when i could save £10 on a boxed copy is something i'm often willing to do beacuse of what steam offers me. You are free to disagree with it but for you to sit there and tell me and others who have different views to yours about a subject that is purely subjective that we are wrong and stupid... well... it makes you look like an asshole frankly

[Hotcod]

Buying new games here on Steam costs more than a boxed copy: Fact.

Paying more on Steam is/isn't worth it: Opinion.

Personally, if a game is only slightly more expensive on Steam than a boxed copy, I'll gladly take the Steam version. If it's way more expensive on Steam (which is so often the case), then there's no way I'll get it. I'm willing to pay a little more for the benefits that Steam offers, but not twice the price in some cases.

For example, Call of Duty 4 is $70 on Steam. Plus tax and converted, that's over £50, which is more than we pay for brand new console game, in a retail store, let alone online.

Basically, it comes down to how much more you're willing to pay for the benefits of Steam. Morangie's not willing to pay £12, some of you obviously are. Fair enough.

Edit: Sometimes I even buy a game in a shop (ohnoes!) if I'm feeling impulsive. I like the instant gratification, and occasional deals they have on. GAME for one is great for the 3 for £10 budget games.

Yes i wouldn't touch cod4 on steam for the price that it's at, it's a joke. Yet the problem here giga is that morangie thinks your a idiot. You are a dumb ass for ever buying a game on steam or in a shop. No other factors matter, you can get it cheaper else where and as such if you don't get it at that price you are stupid and not as cleaver as moragie.

Simple fact is that while most of us in this thread are happy enough to debate the merits of steam and are of the view that it's all a matter of personal Opinion... moragie has consistently said that his views are fact... and as such your post will be ignored as "saying the same thing over and over and your still all stupid"... fun isn't it :)

and yes i know i'm shamelessly baiting him now but i want to see if i can get one more rise out of him

[crazyD]

People, people. There is a time to let things go and realize that no one can convince anyone of anything over the Internet.

[Morangie]

Yes i wouldn't touch cod4 on steam for the price that it's at, it's a joke. Yet the problem here giga is that morangie thinks your a idiot. You are a dumb ass for ever buying a game on steam or in a shop. No other factors matter, you can get it cheaper else where and as such if you don't get it at that price you are stupid and not as cleaver as moragie.

Simple fact is that while most of us in this thread are happy enough to debate the merits of steam and are of the view that it's all a matter of personal Opinion... moragie has consistently said that his views are fact... and as such your post will be ignored as "saying the same thing over and over and your still all stupid"... fun isn't it :)

and yes i know i'm shamelessly baiting him now but i want to see if i can get one more rise out of him

No one is as cleaver as Moragie. That guy cleaves like a motherfucker.

[Loki]

I'll be waiting till the consesus is out on this one. I didn't dig Oblivion and I hope that it isn't just Oblivion with guns.

[Schnoogs]

Steam sux!!!!

[violent]

Steam sux!!!!

20 dollar bills too. Fucking sux.

[Hotcod]

No one is as cleaver as Moragie. That guy cleaves like a motherfucker.

i did make a joke about putting "yes i'm dyslexic" as my custom title or even "yes i some times get words mixed up or pick the wrong one from a spell checker" in my sig... but given this is the 3rd time in the last few weeks some one i've had a debate with has fallen back on attacking my spelling it might be a good idea...

But still, well done, instead of dealing with the issues at hand you jumped on my spelling. How clever of you to point out my disability to prove how much better you are than me.

[boratika]

I can pick this up at retail for $75 for the standard or $85 for the CE or get it on Steam for ~$115. I think I know which way I'll go. Why they went for $70(USD) here I have no idea... I guess they just didn't want people to buy it on Steam.

Now if only Bethesda would let people activate their retail copy on Steam, everyone would win.




Speaking of CoD4

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So at today's exchange rate, that's like $150, or $50 more than RRP at launch or $80 more than reasonable retail today.
I never understand why keeping discs is such a major hassle for some people. Are books a major hassle as well? Do people lose their books? I suppose some people do find it difficult to keep their property in good working order and organized. I guess I'm lucky to do otherwise.
Well, I can pull a book of the shelf and start reading without an install :p
With Steam that problem doesn't exist. It just works! ;)
I guess you didn't purchase certain Ubi games then ;)
Buying new games here on Steam costs more than a boxed copy: Fact.

Paying more on Steam is/isn't worth it: Opinion.

Personally, if a game is only slightly more expensive on Steam than a boxed copy, I'll gladly take the Steam version. If it's way more expensive on Steam (which is so often the case), then there's no way I'll get it. I'm willing to pay a little more for the benefits that Steam offers, but not twice the price in some cases.

For example, Call of Duty 4 is $70 on Steam. Plus tax and converted, that's over £50, which is more than we pay for brand new console game, in a retail store, let alone online.

Basically, it comes down to how much more you're willing to pay for the benefits of Steam. Morangie's not willing to pay £12, some of you obviously are. Fair enough.

Edit: Sometimes I even buy a game in a shop (ohnoes!) if I'm feeling impulsive. I like the instant gratification, and occasional deals they have on. GAME for one is great for the 3 for £10 budget games.
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People, people. There is a time to let things go and realize that no one can convince anyone of anything over the Internet.

I think that's really all that needs to be said. Person 1 likes y, person 2 likes x.

[Deadend]

Well, fuck it. I am going to steam this game. Price is slightly less than retail, I won't have to worry about a disc in my drive, I don't have to keep track of CD-keys and I don't give a shit about a bobble head I have no room on my desk for.

[iHap]

Well, fuck it. I am going to steam this game. Price is slightly less than retail, I won't have to worry about a disc in my drive, I don't have to keep track of CD-keys and I don't give a shit about a bobble head I have no room on my desk for.
I believe FO3 doesn't have a cd-key. That's what I read anyways.

[boratika]

I believe FO3 doesn't have a cd-key. That's what I read anyways.

Well damn! I know third parties don't tend to let you activate games on Steam, but now we don't even have false hope.

FO3 on Steam in now dead to me.:(

[Telefrog]

If you haven't plunked down money on the Steam version yet, but were planning on doing so, you may want to reconsider (http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=890895&st).


You may or may not be able to use advanced Script Extender type of Mods on the Direct2Drive download, or the Steam version. If you want to gurantee full mod compatibilty, then you need to get the Retail PC version for that. Mods that do not require script enhancements will more than likely work on the Steam/D2D versions of the game. This is because the D2D version will probably be an Encrypted EXE, and the Steam version will change some code and the way it launches. Further news on this will have to wait until more information is availble, or the mod community has worked their magic.

Bolding mine. Just something to keep in mind.

[violent]

Steam has never tried to stop the use of mods in the past (as far as I know). I'm confident mod usage will not be an issue with their version.

[Telefrog]

Steam has never tried to stop the use of mods in the past (as far as I know). I'm confident mod usage will not be an issue with their version.

Not for third party games. The Steam version of Two Worlds, for example, can't run all the mods that retail buyers can use. (I know, it's a shitty game anyway and there aren't that many mods.) The same goes for some mods for X3. Those are the only two I've experience personally, but I know that others have complained about mod usage in third party games on Steam before. It is an issue.

[violent]

Not for third party games. The Steam version of Two Worlds, for example, can't run all the mods that retail buyers can use. (I know, it's a shitty game anyway and there aren't that many mods.) The same goes for some mods for X3. Those are the only two I've experience personally, but I know that others have complained about mod usage in third party games on Steam before. It is an issue.

Again, I'm not worried.

[NoName]

If you haven't plunked down money on the Steam version yet, but were planning on doing so, you may want to reconsider (http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=890895&st).

Bolding mine. Just something to keep in mind.

I wonder how long until some mods come out so we know for sure... I really want to get it off of Steam though :/.

[Hotcod]

I;m hoping that by Friday we'll know for sure... some one somewhere has got to jump in and have a poke about and see what's going on heh as much as i'm likely to get the game on steam if there's a problem with mods i'll be going with the box

[Jackel]

Again, I'm not worried.

I'm with Violent on this one. I've never had an issue on any games when trying to install mods / customization.

I'll be really disappointed however if this turns out to be true.

Edit: Having read through that thread on their forums, I'm even more convinced that this is not going to be the case. Steam doesn't normally encrypt .exe files, so unless Bethseda specifically sets it up that way, we should be fine.

When Steam installs a 3rd party game, it installs the exact same files as the retail version (unless the developer provides a seperate copy - unlikely except in a few cases such as Dark Messiah & from what Telefrog said, probably X3). The only difference is Steam uses an NCF to point its launcher to the common folder where the game files exist.

[Deadend]

Meh, worst comes to worst on mods, I can just go get an .iso guilt free. They got my money.