Minecraft: Indie World Building Game

[Vigil80]

You need to generate new areas. As it looks now, beta 1.9 will also require new generation.

Shit.

The snow biome is also missing from 1.8, apparently. I can't help but feel like they should have just waited and released the adventure update as a whole.

Oh well. Back to Terraria.

[Psykoboy2]

What's a stronghold?

[jjohnson1]

http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Stronghold

[Uatu]

Are the servers down?

[TheEpicOfTyler]

Are the servers down?

Yep. They've been getting slammed all day from the sounds of it.

[Uatu]

Yep. They've been getting slammed all day from the sounds of it.

That's what I figured.

[jjohnson1]

until bukkit is updated many servers including voodoo's wont be up... bukkit spent all day doing the 1.8 build and just a few mins ago we found that the build failed and he is re-doing/fixing it

[JRR006]

*fails to login again*

Damn. Same thing as ten, twenty, and thirty minutes ago. So the servers are down down, not just busy?

[Voodoo]

The Yggdrasil server stays at the current Bukkit version.

Bukkit = http://bukkit.org/

The best way to get the latest information on what is happening to Minecraft (up to the minute) is to follow their Twitter accounts...

Mojang = http://mojang.com/

[TheEpicOfTyler]

*fails to login again*

Damn. Same thing as ten, twenty, and thirty minutes ago. So the servers are down down, not just busy?

People on GAF have been getting the update, so I think the servers are just busy.

[JRR006]

People on GAF have been getting the update, so I think the servers are just busy.

Ah, okay. Thanks!

I am used to "my terrible luck" being a factor. That's the way the universe rolls. :p

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I just went to the website and downloaded the new client and it worked beautifully. I think the old client is busted or something.

[Zagrash]

for what it's worth, I was able to download the update right away, but that was also a few hours ago.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

Today, I carelessly bounced my ship off a barrier island while investigating a larger island during a thunderstorm. My ship broke into pieces and I was forced to stay on land and fight or brave the tedium of swimming in the ocean until storm break. I died in a creeper dog pile 5 deep.

I had been traveling north from my island spawn for what seems like a lifetime looking for the mainland. I never found it.

The oceans in 1.8 are HUGE. With no sheep on the islands, there are no beds. I think I may roll a new world now.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l263/threexs/TheNewWorld_normal_north_twilight.jpg

Island survival pro-tips: Start collecting seeds immediately. Make a hoe and a sword first. You're going to starve without bread and fish. Wheat takes awhile to grow so you need to kill spiders and skeletons to fashion a fishing pole and bone meal for your garden.

Coal is scarce, so cooking your fish is not always an option. Grow lots of wheat.

[Rune_74]

Why didn't you dig down if coal is scarce?

[Uatu]

Anyone elses game running like shit since the update? I was doing single player and it just keep pausing every so often as I explored. I even turned down the graphics and it persisted.

[MagGnome]

I haven't played this game in months. I should really jump in and check out all of the new features, but I fear I may be overwhelmed. It sounds like you have to eat food to live now?

[Arphahat]

Why didn't you dig down if coal is scarce?

Or, if there are trees, make charcoal.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

Why didn't you dig down if coal is scarce?

The big gray spot on my island is a large open pit mine. It goes down 20-30 blocks.

Or, if there are trees, make charcoal.

I didn't know you could do that... *themoreyouknow.gif*

[Arphahat]

The big gray spot on my island is a large open pit mine. It goes down 20-30 blocks.



I didn't know you could do that... *themoreyouknow.gif*

Ya, lots has been added fast enough that it is hard to keep up if you aren't actively playing all the time. I took a break for awhile and am still trying to learn all the new stuff.

Regarding an island start, I started one that didn't have any trees on the island and none anywhere in my site range. It is easy to overlook their importance, but you can't do shit without trees. Ended up restarting.

And, Voodoo, thanks for adding the new server. It is especially neat having the multiple worlds I've played all in the same place.

[JRR006]

Ah! Cool. I downloaded the client and it updated just fine.

I updated bukkit on my dinky little server, that I run for my housemates. Now we seem to get stuck and bounce in doorframes when doors are open. Does this have to do with the "protection" stuff I was hearing about? I'm off to the forums to look around, but was curious if anyone had any leads/experienced something like it.

Edit: It seems to happen when a set of double doors are both open. Single doors work fine.

[Widgetcraft]

Ya, lots has been added fast enough that it is hard to keep up if you aren't actively playing all the time. I took a break for awhile and am still trying to learn all the new stuff.

Regarding an island start, I started one that didn't have any trees on the island and none anywhere in my site range. It is easy to overlook their importance, but you can't do shit without trees. Ended up restarting.

And, Voodoo, thanks for adding the new server. It is especially neat having the multiple worlds I've played all in the same place.

The seed "shipwreck" is a good one. You have one tree to start with. It's more manageable than you'd think after that, you just have to be diligent about replanting. I also made a land bridge to another island and started planting over there too. My main concern is food, as I haven't come across any animals. I wish I could find some spiders so I could make a fishing pole.

[Hotcod]

I started with "all out of luck" as a seed and actually I got an awesome starting point :)

[Hawkzombie]

I think I'm gonna start playing again.

[Zrikz]

Zrikz is a surprisingly good seed for generating a world... a million trees and some animals and you aren't on a tiny island all alone. Have not found coal yet, but I've not digged too much yet.

[jjohnson1]

It took me about 50 tries but i finally got a huge ocean biome starting location. the first 3 nights consisted of me exploring the small archipelago it put me on, i found some trees, 2 of them! the first tree didnt drop any saplings so i was worried when the second dropped only 1...i replanted on the larger of the 3 islands i found and dug a hole to stay in.

I needed a bed to sleep the nights away, i also needed a fishing pole to get food as by day 3 i was getting hungry and eating zombie flesh to survive. so that night i left my hole with a stone sword i made from that small amount of precious wood i found and set off to find spiders. i died, i died a lot, but i killed enough spiders for a bed and had some left over for my fishing pole too :)

now i had a bed, workbench, furnace and a dirt hole :) life was good, but i didn’t just want to survive here on my island, i wanted to thrive, so on the morning of day 5 i gathered my supplies and went mining. i dug below my dirt hole and almost died when i tunneled into a HUGE ravine. whats more the ravine had light in the far end of it! i was excited to say the least.

I have come to the determination that ravines, while aesthetically pleasing, are a gold plated b***h to explore safely. my ravine, well it had 2 spawners at one end (the end closest to my stairs), and that light was a mine that spewed cave spiders into the ravine. i died so many times it wasn’t funny. after rage quitting twice and then jumping back on i finally managed to light up and block off all the spawners. by this point i have no idea what day it was up top but i was done with mining for a time.

day who knows... my home got blown up... while i was away, somehow, my home got blown up. the roof was gone and so was my furnace and bed. thankfully i had tons of string from those damn cave spiders, so after making a new bed and furnace i started reconstruction. i took a long look at my humble dirt hole and decided that again i wanted to thrive here not live in squalor so after checking for creepers and such i went topside.

By this point my new tree had sprouted and after chopping it down i was rewarded with 6 saplings! i replanted and found some tall grass by the water and got some seeds too!

it took an in game week, but i finally built a nice cottage, with a basement full of supplies. ive grown a garden of wheat, my desert island now is covered in a lush forest of my own making. and my ravine has more resources that i could ever use in 3 games. last night before i logged off i went exploring with a map, compass, and a few boats. i found that im on the second largest island and that its ocean as far as the eye can see. i found a hole way north of me that was all lit up so i swam down to it and found my mine shaft is really long. i also found and island big enough to have a few pigs and cows and sheep, might have to go hunting :)

this is the back of my home, the small door there is the first hole i lived in.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa377/jjohnson1osu/1_8%20solo%20survival/2011-09-16_095420.png

this is the front of my home, with the wheat farm.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa377/jjohnson1osu/1_8%20solo%20survival/2011-09-16_095438.png

this is the ravine all lit up, those waterfalls are from the deep ocean above the ravine.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa377/jjohnson1osu/1_8%20solo%20survival/2011-09-16_095539.png

the holes in the roof that lets the ocean in.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa377/jjohnson1osu/1_8%20solo%20survival/2011-09-16_095651.png

the mine.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa377/jjohnson1osu/1_8%20solo%20survival/2011-09-16_095902.png

[Vandabo]

I am really impressed with the larger biomes. My random seed started me on the edge of a lake between a large evergreen forest and a huge mountain range. Heading west from there I found that the lake turns into a swamp that borders an amazing rolling grassland that if you stand in the middle of it, literally all you can see is grass. I had been trying to find chickens so I could start a chicken coop back at my base, and this grassland was covered in them. So I built a temporary shelter for the night and collected eggs in the morning, and took them home. Now I've got a few chickens in my coop, producing food and feathers for arrows.

I fought two Endermen so far, they aren't as bad as I was fearing. Both I killed with no damage to myself. They drop these pearls, but they don't have any use yet apparently.

The combat in general seems better now, it's handy having the jump-critical to use as an opening move. I also love having all of the food be stackable.

All told, it's a pretty sweet update. I don't know if I am going to keep playing, but it was fun trying out the new stuff.

edit: Blown out of the water by jjohnson while I was typing this. Amazing story jj, thanks for all the screenshots.

[Ink Asylum]

Great story, jjohnson. :) It's making me want to play again but I think I'll wait until 1.9.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

You can make wool out of string?!

I hate myself.

Anyway, I am enamored with the new terrain generation and large biomes.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AOW6mR3v2BE/TnOHiiCorqI/AAAAAAAABGA/7tkD33thGII/s1280/2011-09-15_20.01.49.png

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vCv5iOYBaEg/TnOHhku05nI/AAAAAAAABF8/A_RwFg00u_s/s1280/2011-09-15_19.24.45.png

[Ink Asylum]

Can you make string out of wool yet? If not, I hope you can eventually, perhaps with a loom object.

[jjohnson1]

hey i thought you all might enjoy this

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[Zagrash]

the mine.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa377/jjohnson1osu/1_8%20solo%20survival/2011-09-16_095902.png

Awesome story, first of all! Second might be a bit of a dumb question, but are the braces/supports necessary now? Or are those just for aesthetics? I've never seen/used anything like that in my mines

[Voodoo]

Ha! That last video pretty much sums up the first meetings between new arrivals and server ops. :)

[jjohnson1]

Second might be a bit of a dumb question, but are the braces/supports necessary now? Or are those just for aesthetics? I've never seen/used anything like that in my mines

no the braces/supports are not necessary, and that's the new 1.8.1 mine braces i think...farther into the mine i ran into normal supports.

Ha! That last video pretty much sums up the first meetings between new arrivals and server ops.

there's an episode 4 out, and i have to say...ive played on servers like the one in Ep4

[Troggles]

Ha! That last video pretty much sums up the first meetings between new arrivals and server ops. :)

My first goal with new arrivals is to give them a reason to yell "HOLY DICK DIAMONDS!"

[Voodoo]

My first goal with new arrivals is to give them a reason to yell "HOLY DICK DIAMONDS!"
It never fails that when I arrive they nearly always try to stab me with whatever they happen to be holding or just run right out of their buildings.

[Vandabo]

I kind of wish that multiplayer was something you unlocked after completing some very basic goals in singleplayer. Like you have to have made an iron pickaxe before you can logon to a server. At least that would prove that they have a basic working knowledge of the game, and probably most dickbags wouldn't take the time to do that kind of thing just to troll a server.

[Troggles]

It never fails that when I arrive they nearly always try to stab me with whatever they happen to be holding or just run right out of their buildings.

Lately we've been more aiming at making you say "That's crazy pants!" than anything.

[Darkmatter]

Wow, I'm just now reading about the changeover. I didn't know the server was that quiet. I've been wanting to get back on but I just haven't had a chance yet.

Anyways, just wanted to say Thanks! to Mot for being our caretaker for so long! You did a great job! Also, Thanks! to Voodoo of course for welcoming our little world into his family. :)

If I do get a chance to get online do I need to PM Voodoo for a password?

[MagGnome]

Those Minecraft noob adventure films are great. :D

[Arphahat]

Wow, I'm just now reading about the changeover. I didn't know the server was that quiet. I've been wanting to get back on but I just haven't had a chance yet.

Anyways, just wanted to say Thanks! to Mot for being our caretaker for so long! You did a great job! Also, Thanks! to Voodoo of course for welcoming our little world into his family. :)

If I do get a chance to get online do I need to PM Voodoo for a password?

Nope, you just log on and hope someone with admin powers is there to get you outta Newbia and gift you world portal money.

[Voodoo]

The server has been updated (bukkit) while none of the plugins have yet been updated. Only Citizens bugged out on load so I kept the rest in. As usual - Have fun, play at your own risk and all that. :)

[Arphahat]

The server has been updated (bukkit) while none of the plugins have yet been updated. Only Citizens bugged out on load so I kept the rest in. As usual - Have fun, play at your own risk and all that. :)

Thanks, Voodoo.

I think someone had mentioned adding a new world to Ygg when 1.8 was put up on the server. Is that still the plan?

[Voodoo]

Thanks, Voodoo.

I think someone had mentioned adding a new world to Ygg when 1.8 was put up on the server. Is that still the plan?
Sure is. I had already updated the server status post (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showpost.php?p=751840&postcount=1) and the DynMap is showing that newly created world as well (http://www.voodootechnologies.net:8000). The link to it is located at Nexus.

Oh, it is definitely worth mentioning with how fast 1.9 and then 1.10 is coming, this new world might be entirely temporary. What this means is that depending on the changes coming down the pike, the world may have to be recreated.

[Arphahat]

Sure is. I had already updated the server status post (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showpost.php?p=751840&postcount=1) and the DynMap is showing that newly created world as well (http://www.voodootechnologies.net:8000). The link to it is located at Nexus.

Awesome. You are the man! I'll check it out at lunch.

[Ink Asylum]

Been trying to play 1.8 but it usually crashes after a few minutes in a new world. Even quarantined all my old files and started with a fresh install but it still happens. Bummer.

[Hotcod]

pre 1.9 is out... if you are in to that kind of thing

[Voodoo]

pre 1.9 is out... if you are in to that kind of thingHow about a link? That'd be cool. :D

[jjohnson1]

http://t.co/ByDKpDUg
link to 1.9 pre

[Voodoo]

Super Secret v1.9 Informations

http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/223287/minecraft-1-9-prerelease-build-now-available/

[Hotcod]

I didn't actually get the news from a place with a link but thought you might like to know so you could go find it... thankfully Jjohnson1 has solved all our problems :)

[Voodoo]

I didn't actually get the news from a place with a link but thought you might like to know so you could go find it... thankfully Jjohnson1 has solved all our problems :)
One day I was stuck between a gun fight, Jjohnson1 plowed through the wall in his J-Mobile and saved the day... True story, bro.

[Suave Peanut]

Been trying to play 1.8 but it usually crashes after a few minutes in a new world. Even quarantined all my old files and started with a fresh install but it still happens. Bummer.

The very same thing happened to me. I fixed it by completely uninstalling and reinstalling Java, making sure I also had the 64-bit version. Seems to be working fine now.

[Ink Asylum]

I'll give that a try. Thanks.

[jjohnson1]

One day I was stuck between a gun fight, Jjohnson1 plowed through the wall in his J-Mobile and saved the day... True story, bro.

I remember that voodoo...good times!

for all you that have not seen my sweet ride...

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa377/jjohnson1osu/minecraft%20stuff/2011-09-22_132551.png

the J-Mobile

[Hotcod]

you know that's suddenly made me want to make a mine cart garage, so you jump in push a button and pistons open up a door as you get thrown out :D

[Vigil80]

From Notch's dev diary. (You know, his twitter.)
http://i.imgur.com/jCYC1.png

[JPicasso]

Noticed early on last night that MC would crash. I also noticed the new sprint or dash mode. I did not notice that creeper...

Anyways, I think the sprint and crashy might be related. As I was more careful not to invoke the dash, I played for almost an hour straight w/o any troubles.

Your mileage may vary.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

From Notch's dev diary. (You know, his twitter.)

I just got a boner.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I downloaded the 1.9 pre-release and it murdered my performance. 1.8 is smooth, but it was in the ball park of 1-2 fps in 1.9. I hope they fix that for the full release. :(

[Arphahat]

Noticed early on last night that MC would crash. I also noticed the new sprint or dash mode. I did not notice that creeper...

Anyways, I think the sprint and crashy might be related. As I was more careful not to invoke the dash, I played for almost an hour straight w/o any troubles.

Your mileage may vary.

As I mentioned on the server last night, it wash a big, crashy fun-house even without dashing. Hope they fix the issue in the next release. I think I might be done with MP 1.8 (didn't have as many crashy issues in SP). Maybe I'll take a look at 1.9 SP stuff in the mean time.

[GrenMag]

I downloaded the 1.9 pre-release and it murdered my performance. 1.8 is smooth, but it was in the ball park of 1-2 fps in 1.9. I hope they fix that for the full release. :(

I can't find the link now (of course) but there's community patch that fixes that -- they forgot to set the priority on the chunk I/O thread and it's starving everything else out on a lot of systems. It helped my laptop out a ton. I'll see if I can dig it up.

[EDIT]:
Ah, here we go. Two different implementations of the same fix:

1) 1.9pre Lag FIXED (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/654379-19pre-lag-fixed/) (This is the version I tested out)
2) 1.9pr Threaded Lag Fix (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/655009-19pr-threaded-lag-fix/)

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I can't find the link now (of course) but there's community patch that fixes that -- they forgot to set the priority on the chunk I/O thread and it's starving everything else out on a lot of systems. It helped my laptop out a ton. I'll see if I can dig it up.

[EDIT]:
Ah, here we go. Two different implementations of the same fix:

1) 1.9pre Lag FIXED (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/654379-19pre-lag-fixed/) (This is the version I tested out)
2) 1.9pr Threaded Lag Fix (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/655009-19pr-threaded-lag-fix/)

Thanks! I'm going to try these out later then.

[Hawkzombie]

I am so behind on this game...I feel weird picking it up again.

[Arphahat]

I am so behind on this game...I feel weird picking it up again.

I know the feeling. I had stopped for long enough that a lot of what I had known had changed, particularly the way carts work.

What helped me was flipping through the crafting portion of the wiki to see what was possible, then exploring the things that interested me further.

Come, join us!

[Vigil80]

I just got a boner.
Funny you should say that...

As thanks for that cheer-up, I will try to add animal breeding. On my laptop. In bed. :D

They won't stop breeding!!! http://imgur.com/qt1Ad?full

If you hold food in your hand, they follow you around. If you feed them, they enter "love mode". Two animals in love mode = babies.

You know what would be fun? If every single animal in minecraft came from eggs. Breeding would involve moving egg blocks around.

Yes, cow eggs. Is that really that strange? ;D
Things are getting crazy. I'm starting to get the impression that notch keeps cramming things in off the top of his head, and jeb ends up having to get it all actually working. :p

[Hawkzombie]

Jeb After Reading it:...Cow Eggs? Fuuuuuuuuuuuck.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

Thanks! I'm going to try these out later then.

The first fix didn't work, but the one from the second link worked perfectly! Thanks, again!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7-Sq54r1-1U/Tn899j0fmGI/AAAAAAAABIE/yHCioDyiYnw/s1280/2011-09-24_20.18.00.png

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i7TmCVPHaZg/Tn8-Cka__iI/AAAAAAAABII/5y4bgO2WzrA/s1280/2011-09-25_09.15.36.png

Rolled a new world and spawned on some prairie coastline with a giant rock formation rising in the distance. Really fun to explore.

[Handmade.Mercury]

I really need to get back into this.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I am so addicted to Minecraft once again. I built a house in a village of birdmen/things last night and spent most of the day constructing a massive farm. I need to find an abandoned mine so I can start planting watermelon.

I think I am going to spend time beautifying the village and making it monster proof. The gravel roads look so ugly.

[Ink Asylum]

My game is still crashing, even after reinstalling Java. I did manage to spawn into a world within sight of a village, but it was abandoned. Creepy.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

My game is still crashing, even after reinstalling Java. I did manage to spawn into a world within sight of a village, but it was abandoned. Creepy.

You have to be playing 1.9 to have villages spawn with villagers. In 1.8, you'll just get abandoned villages.

[jjohnson1]

the testificates are supposed to be goblins if i remember correctly, i think the villages should be people personally but its not my game lol.

my 1.9 game ive got a village full of goblins and my nether portal goes to a nether ruin with the 2 new block types. i spawned in and got killed by the fire elementals. also the fire slimes are really neat.

[Hotcod]

Minecraft has always, in single player anyway, been a very lonely game. Having npcs is eating in to that feeling a little but given they are not human you still have some sense of isolation and being on your own. I think that's a very important aspect of the charm of the game in SPS mode.

[Ink Asylum]

When villages are populated, do monsters attack the NPCs?

[Handmade.Mercury]

Oh, I had damn well better be able to get to the crest of a large hill or mountain and see a giant battle below me.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

As of right now monsters ignore the NPC's and vice versa. Their AI is not much different than animals right now. It's very barebones, but it's clear they intend to expand their AI and functions as they all have different "job" classes.

I like that they are not humans though. I just hope that in the future they are not all benign. I think having unfriendly towns or territories would be great.

[PathMaster]

Exclusivity (http://www.shacknews.com/article/70345/minecraft-pocket-edition-on-android-this-week)for Minecraft mobile ends for the Xperia this week, it releases for the rest of us on Thursday, the 29th.

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[Ink Asylum]

The Simpsons Intro via Minecraft

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Chest-face Marge is kind of creepy...

[MagGnome]

What were those round green things that kept popping out of the characters?

[Ink Asylum]

What were those round green things that kept popping out of the characters?

In Minecraft they're slime balls. In the video they're meant to represent the green stick of radioactive material in the Simpson's intro.

[MagGnome]

Oh! I was trying to figure out what the heck that was supposed to be. Thanks

[Vigil80]

Time again for the notch twitter update.
Yeeesss!! Arbitrary NBT Data per Item Instance is done! Works in both single player and multi player. :D :D

What it means? It means we can do item enchantments, item naming, more than "just" 65k possible maps per level, and all sorts of nonsense.
Diablocraft? Yes, please. Though I'd need an IV to keep me from dehydrating at my desk.

Now what materials do I need to imbue some self-repairing/indestructible tools?...

[Voodoo]

After many requests, Yggdrasil now has its own site - http://www.voodootechnologies.net/

[Handmade.Mercury]

Started up Minecraft for the first time in a while, noticed the addition of more video settings, of more world generation options, etc. I set all the graphics settings to their lowest because I was streaming at the time, and popped into this world:

http://i.imgur.com/gH3H5.png

What the fuck, there are VINES now?

[OldeWolf]

Started up Minecraft for the first time in a while, noticed the addition of more video settings, of more world generation options, etc. I set all the graphics settings to their lowest because I was streaming at the time, and popped into this world:

http://i.imgur.com/gH3H5.png

What the fuck, there are VINES now?

No, that's just tree herpes.

[Scaryfaced]

So I put some real time into SP Minecraft last night and discovered 1.8 caves are ridiculously hard to explore. They look amazing with the new deep crevices with water and lava lining them, but most of the surface tunnels leading down end in hundred foot drop offs to the cave floor, making getting up and down a chore.

The code for the new mine shaft support beams is all wonky, too. They're often strung randomly in mid air in huge clumps covered in cob webs and look silly. I also found a monster spawner in mid air over a lava pool, dumping a continuous stream of spiders to their firey doom. While trying to cross said lava pit, a spider dropped right on top of me and knocked me into the lava, losing my entire haul. Kinda discouraging.

[jjohnson1]

As voodoo posted above the server now has a web site, not sure if any one else will be posting to it but i am planning 2 regular posts about the server.

http://www.voodootechnologies.net/

there is the address again, and i hope you enjoy :)

[Darkmatter]

No, that's just tree herpes.

lol

nice :)

[Trevail]

We had a nice start to a Yggdrasil server community project Sunday. Jjohnson1 found a nice mountain range with nice cliffs, lakes and waterfalls. We decided to make a mountain city there.

Me, JJohnson, Motwakorb, Handmademercury, Evilthebadger, Crazod and Grenademagnet started on our projects there last night. Feel free to join us on the project, just talk to me or Jjohnson1 about the plan and location. More info and pictures will be added to the Yggdrasil website soon.

[CES]

Sounds like a fun project, much like several that were tried on previous versions of the server. Also, whoever put the trick in Newbia to "Pay the Price", I like you.

[Voodoo]

Sounds like a fun project, much like several that were tried on previous versions of the server. Also, whoever put the trick in Newbia to "Pay the Price", I like you.
Ha! Glad you found it. Unfortunately, due to a current bug in Regios regarding region protection, I had to temporarily disable that portal. Anybody needing transport out of Newbia will have to grab one of us ops. If there isn't anybody on, feel free to send any of us a PM through CoG.

[CES]

Quick question about Midgard, does it have a tweaked mob spawn rate? I saw no passive mobs and very few enemies in about 45 minutes of being on. Makes it rather difficult to get bonemeal and string.

[Arphahat]

Quick question about Midgard, does it have a tweaked mob spawn rate? I saw no passive mobs and very few enemies in about 45 minutes of being on. Makes it rather difficult to get bonemeal and string.

Yeah, there are still some issues with the spawn rate. I think JPicasso has been looking into it, but I don't know if he found anything yet. I also heard that Voodoo had updated some of the mods and it seemed to improve it, but that was only short term.

[Troggles]

Yeah, there are still some issues with the spawn rate. I think JPicasso has been looking into it, but I don't know if he found anything yet. I also heard that Voodoo had updated some of the mods and it seemed to improve it, but that was only short term.

It has to do with a high number of people being spread out. Monsters are saved with chunks, so when you leave a chunk it saves it and the mob total. This saved mob total counts towards the total amount of mobs that are allowed to spawn on a map at once, even without you being in the chunk.

At least that's how I understood it as Bacalou explained it to me.

[Suave Peanut]

I joined in on the community fun. Went from this:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6165/6212466077_b9e1510e66_z_d.jpg

to this:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6237/6212466367_eb2eac1478_z_d.jpg

I'll refine this little hole in the wall later.

[Darkmatter]

Are you guys doing all this on the map thats going to be remade for the next patch?

[CES]

As far as i'm aware, it's all done on the hub map, Midgard.

[Trevail]

The mountain city project is on the main world of Midgard. Niflheim will be the one remade after 1.10. The project has grown and we have had some great interest in helping. Looking good Suave :).

I believe were up to around 15 people now on the project. Homes are flying up and we should be ready for the actual city and outlying areas soon. It is really nice seeing an area of the world pop up so fast. I have seen some great homes being built with a nice flair of imagination.

Not sure exactly what Jjohnson1 has in mind but a central town with market, shops, blacksmith and so on. I was also thinking an area for a mining quarry, a nice area for a church, Fishing shanty area on one of the lakes. I know Grenademagnet is hard at work on the Flying guppy transportation.

We still have plenty of room for more if people are interested in joining. Or come by for a tour!

[Voodoo]

It appears that I found the root cause of the monster limit. Yggdrasil's difficulty was set at easy which lowers the spawn rate in Bukkit it seems. So, I've now set it to hard and actually see a lot more monsters. Unfortunately, because it is set at hard, they can also kill you fairly fast.

[Darkmatter]

I'm in Newb now and I saw quite a few mobs.

[CES]

It appears that I found the root cause of the monster limit. Yggdrasil's difficulty was set at easy which lowers the spawn rate in Bukkit it seems. So, I've now set it to hard and actually see a lot more monsters. Unfortunately, because it is set at hard, they can also kill you fairly fast.

I noticed, I had a party of Endermen snooping around my cabin. I'm certainly interested in the mountain city project now that I have a small base set up.

[jjohnson1]

Not sure exactly what Jjohnson1 has in mind but a central town with market, shops, blacksmith and so on. I was also thinking an area for a mining quarry, a nice area for a church, Fishing shanty area on one of the lakes. I know Grenademagnet is hard at work on the Flying guppy transportation.


when peoples homes are done im going to assign projects to people, like a church, market, rail depot... but we need to sort of get the lay of the land for the city. right now its a scattered collection of homes. we will need roads and rail lines, walkways and bridges. im planning a wall with gatehouses. eventually ill have a list of thing that i can think of and ill post it to the yggdrasil server page as well as here. once the list is up people can ask for projects they are interested in and the rest will probably be left for me to sort out, assign and build :)

EDIT: i will try to get the list done today and posted by midnight 10-5-11 PST
EDIT:EDIT: sorry i will post the list on the yggdrasil page, might copy and paste it into CoG as well...

[jjohnson1]

here is the project list i posted on Yggdrasil


this is the first rough draft of things i think should go into the city we are working on, its not a final draft, and i want suggestions on things i missed :)


Keep
barracks
armory
council chambers
octahedral
church
graveyard with tombs
college of science
power facility/ reactor
lots of redstone crazyness
market
stalls and buildings, think india or the middle east, cramped and huge squares
rail depot
working destination selector
hopper system for carts
bridges
rope and wood
big stone
rail lines and tunnels when needed
quarry and mine
forges with lava and anvils
smelters with large crucibles and stocks of ore and coal and finished bar stock
automated minecarts
lots of hustle and bustle
docks
ships
skiffs
docks
seedy looking buildings and tavern
inn
at least 3 stories above ground and 2 below
wine cellar
room for at least 9 people
tap room
greeting area

now theres also filler projects that will take time and a lot of people...

roads

walls
gatehouses
homes
shops
landscaping



this is just a first draft of ideas if anything jumps out at you that i missed comment on the yggdrasil site under the post. if anything really appeals to you let me know and i will put your name next to the project. i am hoping most people will sign up for multiple projects.

this will get posted to the CoG thread as well as yggdrasil.



-Jjohnson1

well...mostly, it seems to have broken and im too lazy to fix it...go here to see the real one http://www.voodootechnologies.net/

[Psykoboy2]

Crap....I'm getting interested.

[Darkmatter]

here is the project list i posted on Yggdrasil



well...mostly, it seems to have broken and im too lazy to fix it...go here to see the real one http://www.voodootechnologies.net/

You sound life a developer.

You better be paying by the hour for all this shit! lol

[CES]

That's a hell of a build list. I almost think you'll need BuildCraft to gather the materials for it.

[Troggles]

That's a hell of a build list. I almost think you'll need BuildCraft to gather the materials for it.

Or befriend an admin. We've been fairly giving when it comes to community projects.

[GrenMag]

Or a gracious op or two on the job with you. That's worked pretty well so far for most of us even if it takes up quite a bit of their time.

Edit: And damn thee black, Troggles.

[CES]

Or befriend an admin. We've been fairly giving when it comes to community projects.

My idea is probably more fun though, I've been tinkering with the mod in SP recently and it's rather fun to set up quarries and reap the rewards.

[Trevail]

I use buildcraft and industrialcraft in my singleplayer game. I like them both, on my secondary machine I have better than wolves and enjoy it as well.

I believe build and industrial craft are both multiplayer capable now. I've been temped to see what that is like :).

[Matthias]

Dude. I know I've only been on the server a couple times in the past, but a town of that scale and organization/cooperation sounds like a good reason for me to get involved.

EDIT: Man, buildcraft and industrialcraft look really neat. I feel like the latter needs a full tech tree though. I'm recursing like crazy on this wiki.

[jjohnson1]

uumm...i am an op :)

[Hotcod]

beta 1.9 alpha 3 is out

http://www.minecraftforum.net/news/257-19-pre-release-3-is-ready-to-test/

[OldeWolf]

*Wonders what project JJ would want me to do for the city once I get the internet up from my recent move* :p

[Illuminus]

beta 1.9 alpha 3 is out

http://www.minecraftforum.net/news/257-19-pre-release-3-is-ready-to-test/

Wow, some crazy new stuff in there. Potions, Enchanting, baby animals.. and signs of the sky realm.

[Matthias]

So the front page seems a bit outdated on the server front; Who needs to know my username (payco) to pull me out of Newbia? I haven't been on since this whole world tree thing, so I'm not sure I'm on any whitelists.

EDIT: Found my way in, thanks to Trev. Had a blast planning out a new house. Can't wait to really get this town project underway!

[Hotcod]

Here be dragons

http://i.imgur.com/xj6us.jpg

I think the "air" realm may in fact be an "ender" one

[Illuminus]

Here be dragons

http://i.imgur.com/xj6us.jpg

I think the "air" realm may in fact be an "ender" one

Looks like someone is trolling Bethesda :p

[Troggles]

aiHLbMXv6dE

[Hawkzombie]

aiHLbMXv6dE

I feel like I know her from somewhere, but can't place where.

Also...a PC game that is still in Alpha stage is now available on a Sony Ericson cell phone? Who else sees the potential for bad here? :p

[Troggles]

I feel like I know her from somewhere, but can't place where.

Also...a PC game that is still in Alpha stage is now available on a Sony Ericson cell phone? Who else sees the potential for bad here? :p

Let's be fair. It's in BETA!

[Hawkzombie]

Let's be fair. It's in BETA!

I stand corrected.

[Troggles]

I stand corrected.

The "full" release is only a month away, too.

[Zagrash]

I am officially terrible at using redstone/pistons/etc. admittedly, I haven't used any of that stuff much, and have really just barely started trying to get a fancy doorway working, and maybe it's because it's 2 am and I should be sleeping, but I just can't seem to get everything where it needs to go in order to work. arg!

[Vandabo]

I am officially terrible at using redstone/pistons/etc. admittedly, I haven't used any of that stuff much, and have really just barely started trying to get a fancy doorway working, and maybe it's because it's 2 am and I should be sleeping, but I just can't seem to get everything where it needs to go in order to work. arg!

Yeah, I know what you mean. It took me hours to figure out how to make a simple piston door that opens when you step on a pressure plate. Anything that I make with redstone now is still mostly trial and error.

[evilgoodwin]

I'm at the point where if I use redstone, I expect the world to collapse like a dream in Inception.

[Suave Peanut]

I feel like I know her from somewhere, but can't place where.

That's Kristen Schaal (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1102891/), a comedian who many people will recognize from Flight of the Conchords.

[Scaryfaced]

She's also a regular on The Daily Show.

I pretty much gave up any and all red stone contraptions as soon as I watched a few videos on how they worked. Way too complicated for me.

[Troggles]

Ok. It's time to get the city project really going. We have a nice little lakeside community going right now, but we're all over the place and building completely random stuff. I really like it, but it doesn't have the community build feel I was hoping for.

Tonight I will be clearing land just north of our little lake area and starting to zone out the areas. I'll be sticking with jjohnson's list for what to build, and we can branch out from there. Once the zones are set, feel free to start building anything on that list in those areas. We will still be going for a steampunk/realistic mesh of building styles.

No giant cobblelava towers.

[Darkmatter]

lol zoning by-laws

[Troggles]

lol zoning by-laws

There is mass chaos on the Minecraft server! We need laws!

[Matthias]

Ok. It's time to get the city project really going. We have a nice little lakeside community going right now, but we're all over the place and building completely random stuff. I really like it, but it doesn't have the community build feel I was hoping for.

Tonight I will be clearing land just north of our little lake area and starting to zone out the areas. I'll be sticking with jjohnson's list for what to build, and we can branch out from there. Once the zones are set, feel free to start building anything on that list in those areas. We will still be going for a steampunk/realistic mesh of building styles.

No giant cobblelava towers.

Ha I hope my Tudor house is one of those crazy houses. That being said, I'd be okay with picking at least a rough materials palate and going with it. somehow a suburban style row of houses tickles my fancy.

[Troggles]

Ha I hope my Tudor house is one of those crazy houses. That being said, I'd be okay with picking at least a rough materials palate and going with it. somehow a suburban style row of houses tickles my fancy.

Well, I think we're going more for a steampunk/industrial age style here, but I'd be done for making a completely modern city after this.

Right now, I have a bridge that leads to the mining/slums area if you want to see what we've got started.

[Hawkzombie]

Wow, that soon on the full release? Sweet!

[Handmade.Mercury]

No giant cobblelava towers.

lololololololololol

[CES]

So, is the only way to get to the site of this city to be warped there by admins or can we just run to it?

[Troggles]

So, is the only way to get to the site of this city to be warped there by admins or can we just run to it?

You can make a run for it, but it is pretty far away from spawn.

[JPicasso]

Ok. It's time to get the city project really going. We have a nice little lakeside community going right now, but we're all over the place and building completely random stuff. I really like it, but it doesn't have the community build feel I was hoping for.

Tonight I will be clearing land just north of our little lake area and starting to zone out the areas. I'll be sticking with jjohnson's list for what to build, and we can branch out from there. Once the zones are set, feel free to start building anything on that list in those areas. We will still be going for a steampunk/realistic mesh of building styles.

No giant cobblelava towers.


Really? There is a problem with someone building cobble-lavastone towers? I've not seen any and I thought the building was going well.

I think what we ought to address is that giant freeway someone built going directly north. It doesn't look very realistic OR steampunky to me. ;)

[Mot Wakorb]

How about the church, does that have to move?

[Trevail]

I have to say I thought the project in the mountains was doing great as well. Every day I see people there working on there homes, helping connect them. I see more people joining us out there and starting to build. It may not be organized but everyone seems to be having fun.

I think the project of a steampunk city in theory sounds great. But actually getting people to all follow a laid out plan or idea is very hard. Especially on this server where the majority seem to like to do there own thing. The size and massive undertaking to build what is planned on the website just seems to confining to the type of community we have on the server.

What we have accomplished in the Mountains though I think is very well suited to the community. Everyone is pitching in on a project but are still open to there own interpretation. It may seem scattered and chaotic to some but I think it looks awesome and shows some great creativity.

Just my thoughts on the subject. I have to say I have loved seeing what has been built in the area. So many interesting things to see, a wide variety of styles and best of all every one having fun!

[CES]

You can make a run for it, but it is pretty far away from spawn.

Everything seems to be built many days walk from the spawn site. I couldn't even tell which direction the project is in.

[Handmade.Mercury]

Really? There is a problem with someone building cobble-lavastone towers? I've not seen any and I thought the building was going well.

I'm fairly certain he's talking about the old CoG Creative server, on which I built a giant upside down pyramid, and eventually poured lava over all of the sides, making a giant lava cube.

[CES]

I'm fairly certain he's talking about the old CoG Creative server, on which I built a giant upside down pyramid, and eventually poured lava over all of the sides, making a giant lava cube.

Yeah, then you decided to admin up a lot of TNT and turn the entire surrounding area into a crater. You have no idea how many times I fell into said crater moving between spawn and my hilltop tower.

[jjohnson1]

the steampunk city is now a separate project located near our little community, it is open to anyone who would like to help us out, but its now a totally different project :)

i really like the lake/ mountain town we have going, there are some great build there, and for anyone who wants to help out with steampunk city area its just down the road. the goal with the steampunk city was more of a "hey lets build something neat" and the mountain town was more of a " hey lets build a community" project.

sorry if there has been confusion on this whole thing it was not well planned and was a spur of the moment idea, that seemed to get abandoned by a lot of the original builders. or at least thats how it seemed to me...

the plan is this , a few of us are working on the steampunk city and you are all still working on the mountain community and they are both going to get linked with a rail system when that part gets done :)

any questions or concerns you can PM me or track troggles, trevail, or myself down in game...

again sorry for all the confusion.

[Handmade.Mercury]

Yeah, then you decided to admin up a lot of TNT and turn the entire surrounding area into a crater. You have no idea how many times I fell into said crater moving between spawn and my hilltop tower.

No, that wasn't me. I asked Voodoo to try to help me clean it up, so we first turned the lava into cobble, and then tried blowing it up.

[JPicasso]

I'm fairly certain he's talking about the old CoG Creative server, on which I built a giant upside down pyramid, and eventually poured lava over all of the sides, making a giant lava cube.

Ahhhhh, OK then.

I know I saw him hanging out by the JJ city project, so I thought he was referring to that. Which didn't make sense. (neither does that highway, but I digress!)

Carry on, build away, section and quarter, jolly good.

[Troggles]

I just want to echo what JJ said. The mountain area is totally awesome and I don't want anyone to abandon it, but for me, I really want to build this themed town. It's a community project in that it's open for anyone to build, but I won't push it on anyone over the the mountain side town.

We'll still be just a hop, skip, and a jump away from everyone and I still love to help out anyone who asks. Just ask gravydoorknob about my wonderful redstone skills. :P

[Matthias]

I just want to echo what JJ said. The mountain area is totally awesome and I don't want anyone to abandon it, but for me, I really want to build this themed town. It's a community project in that it's open for anyone to build, but I won't push it on anyone over the the mountain side town.

We'll still be just a hop, skip, and a jump away from everyone and I still love to help out anyone who asks. Just ask gravydoorknob about my wonderful redstone skills. :P

I'd like to participate in both, to be honest. As far as the mountain/lakeside area, I would say I'd like to see some more planning/outlining when it comes to roads and railways. I've been relying on teleporting to get between the depot and my site, so I'm not even sure which directions I need to connect to. Even things as trivial as picking a road width and doing some mile markers to give a rough shape would be cool; even better if we agree to a material, fencing, lighting, etc. At that point, we can each fill in sections as we work nearby or get bored with our own houses.

[Zagrash]

I just want to echo what JJ said. The mountain area is totally awesome and I don't want anyone to abandon it, but for me, I really want to build this themed town. It's a community project in that it's open for anyone to build, but I won't push it on anyone over the the mountain side town.

We'll still be just a hop, skip, and a jump away from everyone and I still love to help out anyone who asks. Just ask gravydoorknob about my wonderful redstone skills. :P

ha yeah (I'm Zagrash on here, stupid Minecraft had Zagrash taken, apparently). Stupid Youtube videos couldn't get my sticky piston door working, but give Troggles a few minutes, and he got that sumbitch up and going! (eventually =)

[GrenMag]

I'd like to participate in both, to be honest. As far as the mountain/lakeside area, I would say I'd like to see some more planning/outlining when it comes to roads and railways. I've been relying on teleporting to get between the depot and my site, so I'm not even sure which directions I need to connect to. Even things as trivial as picking a road width and doing some mile markers to give a rough shape would be cool; even better if we agree to a material, fencing, lighting, etc. At that point, we can each fill in sections as we work nearby or get bored with our own houses.

Same here. I think both sites have tons of potential -- the mountainside location will be interesting to blend build styles together and for the other site I'd enjoy seeing how well we can do a build to order. Different build styles to fit your mood to be sure.

I'd like to try to figure out how to put some mining equipment (a crane, in particular) out over the crevice.

As for the rail way, I tweaked out the stretch between the depot and my airship port a tad. I've got a 3-wide gravel bed design with detector rails instead of redstone torches that I'm quite fond of, too. If I can catch jj, trev, or trogs on this evening to get some of said rails, I'll tweak it again to that design. See what you think, I'd like feedback on it.

[Voodoo]

Vote for the moon being round or square!

http://poll.pollcode.com/A0qQ

Also, I sent a tweet to Notch stating that it'd be also cool (because he is adding moon phases) that the outdoor ambient light increases or decreases with the phases. When I sent that I also saw other people request that AND increase monster sight range when it gets darker AND increase monster attack damage when it gets lighter. Wow!

[Psykoboy2]

Shit...that's a close poll!

[Darkmatter]

Hmm I honestly can't decide lol

Why can't it just be a client side option? :)

BTW whats it currently at? I can't see it since I haven't decided how to vote yet. ;)

[Psykoboy2]

Round! 44% 12,705
Square! 43% 12,480
Don't care! 13% 3,651

28,837 votes total

[Vandabo]

I think square is kind of charming given the rest of the game's aesthetic, but I really don't care either way.

[Matthias]

Has he provided any reason/logic for why he's considering changing it? It seemed like a clever gimmick to have it square.

[BrassGecko]

I voted for keeping it square earlier and it was just 6 votes apart. Crazy.

[tortiekat]

*peeks in*

Hey y'all! Definitely digging the multi-world server, and thankful Mot shared his save before the server went down. Yay for my igloos! (Thank you bunches, Mot, for hosting the server while you did!) :) I'm really looking forward to getting back into Minecraft and to help out a bit with both of the cities being developed. It sounds like a bunch of great ideas!

Tonight I just discovered 3 villages on my walk through Midgard (last I checked on the map, I was out around -1.9k for x, on the surface for y, and I want to say about -7k for z values). The last one may be near a stronghold, but I'm not sure. At one point the horizon had not loaded, and the underground bits looked uniform and very cubey, not curvy like the cavern/ravine systems. I plan on checking that out later after I wake up, and after I figure out the issue with the client/software on my husband's desktop. It's been producing a black screen after logging in and giving me graphics driver errors and java errors. I've already uninstalled/reinstalled Minecraft and the java stuffs to no avail. Will be redoing all that tomorrow, along with a bit more research about this particular issue. Maybe I just missed a step or something.

[evilgoodwin]

Don't blink.

Xj446LPEy7E

[Ravenlock]

That. Is. Awesome.

[Ink Asylum]

That's great. Needs a little works, but still a brilliant idea.

[Matthias]

I wouldn't stand a chance against those guys. So scary!

[Trevail]

Jjohnson finally set up the first Yggdrasil Mini Golf. 18 holes of the easy course so far. Anyone interested in taking a look or playing a game join us :). He plans to add to the course with another 18 holes set to hard.

We have a great time on the server and always watching for new and old players to come join us.

Trevail

[Troggles]

I'm scared of his idea of a hard course.

[Zagrash]

Trevail could only watch in amazement at my mad mini-golf skills =)

[Trevail]

Be sure to check out the yggdrasil website for pictures of the course. voodootechnologies.net

If there is enough interest I'm sure JJ will continue to make more additions.

[tortiekat]

It's definitely a bunch of fun. I can't wait for the hard course, ^_^.

[jjohnson1]

had several people try out the easy course today.

here are a few pics and shots of HandMadeMercury playing.

http://www.voodootechnologies.net/

[Handmade.Mercury]

BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR WORLD CHAMPION

I scored 3 over par >.>

[jjohnson1]

sorry people, i was working on a hard version of the golf course, then i got invited to go on a date. ive got another date tonight, so hard course has been put off until friday and saturday. but hey that will give me some time to design some really mean holes :)

[jjohnson1]

there's some really nice builds going on right now... also a new community post post

http://www.voodootechnologies.net/

[TheEpicOfTyler]

Minecraft is officially out guys!

[Hotcod]

well... that changes pretty much nothing but it does feel odd. I don't like it.

[Arphahat]

If anyone is up for some single-player challenges, take a look at this (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=25105) awesome thread.

[RandoM51]

First world I made with new version I spawned into a pool of lava.

[Vandabo]

First world I made with new version I spawned into a pool of lava.

That's hardcore mode right there.

[Darkmatter]

That's hardcore mode right there.

[You are playing in Hardcore Mode]
[Spawn]
(Splash)
(Sizzle)
[You are dead]

[Arphahat]

[You are playing in Hardcore Mode]
[Spawn]
(Splash)
(Sizzle)
[You are dead]

That does save a lot of time and effort. No suffering at the loss of your efforts. :)

[BrassGecko]

I haven't played in a fair while, I was waiting for 1.0 to avoid the compulsion to regenerate worlds so often to see new content.

So! New world, 1.0, night 3...

http://flexapic.com/g.ashx?id=8070

I stayed in my corner and stared at the wall until he foomphed away at dawn.

[MagGnome]

What in the world is that thing? 0_o

[Matthias]

An enderman. I forget, did he remove their teleportation or nerf it or something?

[Widgetcraft]

So, I've gotten back into this. Me and a friend have been playing on MuttsWorld, which is simply an amazing server. No griefing, great moderation, fully featured.... It even has an online auction house, using their own currency (that you receive over time in-game). There are a lot of great commands built-in as well, and a very high user base. I recommend checking it out: Muttworld (http://muttsworldmine.com/minecraft/).

[evilgoodwin]

Endermen can teleport, and do so with gusto. I actually surprised one and smacked it only to have it vanish.

Puzzled, and a little bit frightened, I quickly turn in half circles for a bit, looking for it. It . . . doesn't appear again.

I scratch my head. Maybe if you smack it before it goes aggro, it just vanishes. I run a short distance down a hallway and find a dead end. When I return to my original spot POOF OH GOD ITS BEHIND ME STAB STAB STAB!!!!

I got one of the eyes :D


My home is on a small island in a swamp/ocean. I made a small land bridge to the spawn point in case I ever wandered too far and needed a compass to get back home.

[Voodoo]

I see many of you trying to connect to the server... As soon as my server is updated to the latest version, I'll let everyone know. Just like any custom server, we keep up with the latest version of Bukkit. This doesn't mean the instant the new version of Bukkit is out the server is updated because I might be out doing Voodoo stuff in the wild. I will update it as soon as I am able once Bukkit has been updated.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

The endermen are only hostile when you attack them now it seems, which is kind of disappointing. I really liked the tense moments of running into an endermen deep down in a cave and trying to maneuver through the dark without making eye contact.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I don't know, I went out deliberately trying to provoke one last night to hear the new sounds they make and it wouldn't come after me or even acknowledge me until I had attacked it.

[Hotcod]

So... that is happening. Drama in minecraftia

[Psykoboy2]

So... that is happening. Drama in minecraftia

What's going on?

[Arphahat]

What's going on?

I'm guessing he is referencing the big deal going on between Yogscast and Notch. In short, both parties acted immaturely and have been airing their dirty laundry in public.

[Hawkzombie]

"You don't F-bomb kids" while I agree with that...uh...who cares? Is that really a reason to cut all ties with someone who helped make you incredibly popular?

[Vigil80]

From Minecraftforum.net, quoting notch's twitter (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/804393-yogscast-banned-from-minecon-forever/):

I'm very sorry about the behavior of the people we won't work with any more. Celebrity or not, you don't f-bomb kids.
Yes, Yogscast.
Wow. Hate, insults and threats are flooding in from Yogscast fans. I'll stop biting my tongue now.
Yogscast repeatedly insulted people, talked behind their backs, refused to cooperate, and acted like total spoiled divas nonstop.
They called us "a bunch of nerds who don't know how to run a company", demanded that we pay them to come here (nobody else got paid).
And they claim they're the reason minecraft is big and that we should thank them more than anyone else in the community. They're total dicks
A kid wanted them to sign something I had signed, and they said they'd cross it out and put "fuck you" there instead.
Everyone else in the Minecraft community is all about respecting and caring. They're not. They're an isolated island of egos.
All this said, I'm very tired at the moment, and this will probably pass. I do like the work they do, very much.


From the Yog facebook (https://www.facebook.com/yogscast/posts/10150394251026137):
An Official statement/Vlog will be released when Simon, Lewis and Hannah return from Las Vegas to clarify what has happened. Hopefully this will clear everything up for everyone.

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"You don't F-bomb kids" while I agree with that...uh...who cares? Is that really a reason to cut all ties with someone who helped make you incredibly popular?
I don't think Mojang owes Yogscast anything, or vice versa. From where I'm sitting, it could just as easily be said that Minecraft helped grow Yogscast's popularity, such as it is.

There's multiple sides to every story, of course. But it's notch's convention, he can ban who he wants to. And so far, I don't see much reason to blame him for it.

[Arphahat]

"You don't F-bomb kids" while I agree with that...uh...who cares? Is that really a reason to cut all ties with someone who helped make you incredibly popular?

Did Yogscast really make MC popular? I only heard about them WAY after I'd already been playing MC.

[Hawkzombie]

Did Yogscast really make MC popular? I only heard about them WAY after I'd already been playing MC.

It's all second hand from what I've heard, but it does seem like a LOT of he said, she said BS...and really...Notch has no reason to bad mouth anyone. If it were simply the f-bombs then yeah, total over-reaction on his part. But if it was all that was listed...Then he's got more reason than I originally thought.

Also, it's not like this will really HURT Minecraft. Those who play and are fans of Yog have already bought their copies. And if they pirated, then there's no loss of funds there either.

[Matthias]

Did Yogscast really make MC popular? I only heard about them WAY after I'd already been playing MC.

Same here. And I don't care if Yogscast produced, published, and hand-delivered each copy of the game. It's Notch's right to refuse to be associated with someone (presuming no legal obligation), and as for Yogscast, they're celebrities in (and only in) the video gaming world; children are a core part of their demographic. If they can't politely interact with fans (particularly underaged) of their product in a convention dedicated to a game of interactive cartoony Legos they deserve any and all loss of benefit due to separation from another member of the industry who does care about that chunk of his demographic. The same goes for music, sports, or any other industry.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I honestly didn't really know that Yogcast was a thing related to Minecraft until today. I got into Minecraft right before the big boom in popularity. I thought it's success was due to Valve, Penny Arcade and other big gaming names putting the word out.

[Hawkzombie]

I honestly didn't really know that Yogcast was a thing related to Minecraft until today. I got into Minecraft right before the big boom in popularity. I thought it's success was due to Valve, Penny Arcade and other big gaming names putting the word out.

I was of the same mind. But I knew of the YogsCast.

Remember comics like 8-Bit Theater? Sprite comics? This is kinda like saying Final Fantasy was indie before Brian Clevenger got to it and made it popular.

That is how I'm viewing it now.

[Voodoo]

Yogcast rode on the coattails of Mojang and then attempted to present themselves as the coat wearer.

[Ravenlock]

I certainly had never heard of Yogscast before Minecraft. Regardless, though, Minecraft was picked up by every indie gaming blog on the net very early on in its life cycle, and covered by all the professional gaming venues not long thereafter. For them to claim that they "made" Notch's or Minecraft's success seems pretty laughable to me.

[Hotcod]

Well firstly it seems like Mojang gave no guidence as to the content of the panles. As some one who's put on all ages events before this is mind numbingly stupid. You're event is not family friendly if you have not put guidelines in place to make it so. Every all ages gig I've played has had a "don't swear" claues you agree to before being booked, not 'cus they know you swear but because they are responsible for the content.

So a few fucks in a video at there panel? Not yogscast problem, they where booked and not told to act other wise so they shouldn't have to, you can only presume that the kids there are there by leave of their parents who should know the kind of content you are producting. If any one thought that yogscast wouldn't be mature 'cus the event is famlily friendly well that is purely Mojangs fault.

The rest of it is so far bitchy bullshit from both sides. There are people casting exctly the same events in different lights. I think it's likely just that yogscast didn't get on with a lot of people and they have rubbed each other the wrong way.

But we'll see what yogscast have to say when they repsond. If they have acted like Notch claims then they are dicks but that still does not excuse the fact Mojang where idiots in terms of organising the event.

Yogscast are one of the biggest channels on youtube they have over a million subs and produce the most widly watched minecraft content. While I don't think minecraft would have suffered greatly with out I think it's pretty strange to claim a show about minecraft with that kind of audaince has had no impact.

I'm not actually a huge fan of a lot of their stuff and lately there has been stuff that makes me think that there is a chance they've let things go to their head a bit but ya... we'll see...

[Hotcod]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/mkjhs/why_notch_is_mad_at_yogscast/c31pix8

Just reading through this... there seems to be a feeling coming out that the Con was a god damn joke. That pink haired girl who was the crappy host? Mojang hired her for her shitty youtube channel and she some how ended up in a organizational role at the event. Lots of people are saying it was badly run and watching a lot of the stuff coming out of it it's clear it was actually just not very good.

rRBHhHwj84w

lolz

I don't actually know why I'm following this crap... it's been a slow few days in work and drama can be interesting. But ya minecon was in part being run by this chick...

[MagGnome]

Who are those assholes talking during the video?

[Hotcod]

Something awful people who review lets players. They are overly mean but in this video they are making some very good points. It's felt minecraft chick plays heavily on a a false "I'm clueless and need help" vibe.

Also

https://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/status/138975994471124992

"Just heard from Simon and Lewis, they got back to Gatwick airport and were met by a crazed Notch supporter who repeatedly insulted them, IRL"

This is either just getting very very strange or it's a one big troll... sadly I don't think this is a troll.

[Mot Wakorb]

I'm baffled that there was a convention at all for Minecraft. Same goes for Blizzard - PAX makes sense. These two really, really don't. There isn't enough about Minecraft for me to actually even think of travelling to a convention for it.

[Matthias]

Well firstly it seems like Mojang gave no guidence as to the content of the panles. As some one who's put on all ages events before this is mind numbingly stupid. You're event is not family friendly if you have not put guidelines in place to make it so. Every all ages gig I've played has had a "don't swear" claues you agree to before being booked, not 'cus they know you swear but because they are responsible for the content.

So a few fucks in a video at there panel? Not yogscast problem, they where booked and not told to act other wise so they shouldn't have to, you can only presume that the kids there are there by leave of their parents who should know the kind of content you are producting. If any one thought that yogscast wouldn't be mature 'cus the event is famlily friendly well that is purely Mojangs fault.

The rest of it is so far bitchy bullshit from both sides. There are people casting exctly the same events in different lights. I think it's likely just that yogscast didn't get on with a lot of people and they have rubbed each other the wrong way.

But we'll see what yogscast have to say when they repsond. If they have acted like Notch claims then they are dicks but that still does not excuse the fact Mojang where idiots in terms of organising the event.

Yogscast are one of the biggest channels on youtube they have over a million subs and produce the most widly watched minecraft content. While I don't think minecraft would have suffered greatly with out I think it's pretty strange to claim a show about minecraft with that kind of audaince has had no impact.

I'm not actually a huge fan of a lot of their stuff and lately there has been stuff that makes me think that there is a chance they've let things go to their head a bit but ya... we'll see...

I hadn't even heard about any cussing during videos, and to be honest, I care less about that. I was referring to the presumed incident where a kid went up for an autograph from one of the Yogscast guys, and he told the kid that he'd cross out Notch's signature and scrawl "fuck you" across the item.

A few cusswords sprinkled in a video (assuming it wasn't just absolutely gratuitous) is probably nothing that a kid hasn't heard on many minecraft videos he's watched at home. Going up to someone you respect enough to want an autograph and having him threaten to ruin another autograph and be a general douche is simply not acceptable--even if the fan was 35, but especially if it's a kid.

Remember that commercial with Mean Joe Green? Imagine how that would have gone down if (presuming it was a non-staged event) he had cussed the kid out, then smashed the bottle at the kid's feet. It wouldn't have sold very many Cokes. He would also be losing any sponsorship from Coca-Cola, and would deserve it.

[MagGnome]

I'm baffled that there was a convention at all for Minecraft. Same goes for Blizzard - PAX makes sense. These two really, really don't. There isn't enough about Minecraft for me to actually even think of travelling to a convention for it.

Agreed, Minecon (or whatever it's called), Blizzcon, and Quakecon all seem more than a little pointless to me. It's really kind of arrogant, IMO.

Oh well.

As for the general topic of conversation, it's really sad how immature many prominent (or so-called prominent) people in the industry are. Then again a lot of gamers are immature, so I guess it just reflects the community at large.

[Voodoo]

QuakeCon is actually a Con of many development houses in Dallas & Austin (mainly) and abroad, not just Id. I'd venture to say it is now the most popular destination in the US for a PC Gaming centric con. This past one hosted the largest free LAN party in the world.

The tournaments held at the con have and continue to be the Quake series games.

[Vigil80]

I hadn't even heard about any cussing during videos, and to be honest, I care less about that...
Well said, Matthias. I'd expect, as some fan apologists are already doing, there will be much said about misunderstanding, miscommunication, and "not getting the Yogs off-beat sense of humor." But it sounds like the best that could be said at this point is that they don't have the social skills to know when to reign it in.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

Was Minecon a fiasco? There is a guy in my G+ circles that went with his children and judging by the photos and posts, they had a great time.

[LongStepMantis]

From what I've heard Minecon was a lot like Minecraft itself: It was fun and you could easily enjoy yourself, but a lot of people expected more and weren't happy with what they were given. Evidently that "whinecraft" mentality does extend out into the real world. Most of the pissing and moaning seems to be related to the lines and organization of the event. Both things that anyone with half a brain could have guessed going into it. It's the first time they've done this and the turnout was ridiculous. Being surprised that it was somewhat of a mess just betrays that a lot of people don't understand how much work it takes to run and organize a convention of that size, and that they should have expected some bumps from a first time event.

As for the drama, it's pathetic. I don't just mean the extremely immature way in which each party handled it, but also the gossip mill that has sprung up around the community. People act like Notch vs Yogscast is something that is personally effecting their day-to-day lives and choosing sides. Sad.

[Widgetcraft]

Personally, I hate Yogcast, they're annoying as shit. And no, they didn't make Minecraft popular. At the same time, it is absolutely hilarious that Notch would ever say that someone is an internet celebrity (in a derogatory manner) or diva; those are perfect descriptions of Notch himself. You can add deluded prima donna to the list.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

"whinecraft"

Thanks for this word. There is a specific reason that I avoid most Minecraft discussion on the internet and that is why.

[RandoM51]

I keep getting killed by things that have changed since the last time I played. Spiders can go through single open blocks now, evidently. Learned that the hard way after a poison spider poisoned me and then knocked me into lava "just to be sure."

[Ink Asylum]

I think Poison Spiders are smaller than regular ones, hence being able to go through one block spaces.

[MagGnome]

QuakeCon is actually a Con of many development houses in Dallas & Austin (mainly) and abroad, not just Id. I'd venture to say it is now the most popular destination in the US for a PC Gaming centric con. This past one hosted the largest free LAN party in the world.

The tournaments held at the con have and continue to be the Quake series games.

Ah, I suppose that makes sense then. I thought it was entirely centered around id, which seems kind of pointless given their track record over the last 12 years since Quake 3 came out.

[Voodoo]

My server is at Bukkit 1.0.0 and stuff.

[Troggles]

Awesome. Now I just need to finish with Skyrim/Skyward Sword before SWTOR comes out so I can spend that 10 minutes in Minecraft.

[Widgetcraft]

HddMANh3Xis

Yogcast Response to Notch's Twitterings (http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/mnau9/yogscast_response_to_notchs_twitterings/)

[Ravenlock]

I gotta admit, reading their response on Reddit, if that's really how things went down from their perspective, they come out looking pretty okay.

Unless Notch is a huge douchebag, though (which I don't really believe to be true), it means some pretty serious miscommunications must have happened. Shame.

[LongStepMantis]

The only part of the dramafest that would really make me think twice about Mojang's business practices is that they mentioned that Mojang attempted to sell the rights to Yogscast's videos to IGN. If that's true I don't even know what to say. Actually I'd start by saying "How the fuck do you sell the rights to something that isn't yours?!" and then go back to not having anything to say.

I know Notch and Mojang have this reputation as bumbling indie devs who can't figure out how to run a company to save their lives, but wow. You would think somewhere along the line someone would have mentioned that selling property rights to something that isn't yours is generally frowned upon.

[MagGnome]

Notch/Mojang has made millions off of Minecraft. "Bumbling indie devs" isn't really much of an excuse anymore. They've relied on that one far too often, IMHO.

[LongStepMantis]

Notch/Mojang has made millions off of Minecraft. "Bumbling indie devs" isn't really much of an excuse anymore. They've relied on that one far too often, IMHO.

I think that only worked as an excuse for the first month or two after Notch became a millionaire given that it was unexpected and he had to scramble to form a company. There is no excuse by this point. Your game has made millions upon millions of dollars. Invest some of that in hiring more people who know what they're doing and can alleviate some of the headaches and confusion. Mojang is what, 9 people? I think he can afford to hire at least a few more people.

So there's a story going around right now that today's TF2 patch added a special hat that only Notch will ever have ownership of, I guess. Seems sketchy to me at this point, but if true it means either:

A) Gabe really is the antichrist, and all bets are off as to how his goons will sodomize future Valve titles with their filthy microtransactions.
B) Valve are brilliant diplomats playing hardball to get Minecraft on Steam eventually.

It has to be B. Bringing Minecraft (and it's feverish yet enormous fanbase) on Steam would be a huge catch for them. He's just luring the fatted calf a wee bit closer.

[Hotcod]

The fact IGN simply agreed to not put the vidoes up and let them do it suggest that when IGN where told Mojang hadn't gotten yogscast permission they where not a happy bunny.

I think this statement is a perfect response and I think there is likely something going on somewhere at a personal level that has been fuled by the miscommunication at a professional one.

[Hotcod]

"Fair enough.
edit: I meant this in a positive way"
-Notch

That's... stupid. If it's fair enough then Yogscast are owed an apology

xKefSetuJ_E

a 3d wireframe game in minecraft... crazy

[Badger]

I've been following the fracas myself. I'm impressed with the Yogscast response, keeping a level head and looking all the more professional for it. As Notch tweeted something along the lines of "bunch of nerds with no idea how to run a company", after the fallout settles from Minecon this looks more like it's referencing Mojang than anyone.

Someone on Reddit said it best: "Two lads who make YouTube videos in their house handle PR better than a multi-million dollar company."

[Voodoo]

It's too bad Jens isn't in charge instead of Notch. Also, why is the CEO letting Notch go all loonier on the PR. It's really pathetic. Nevermind MinecraftChic being the point person for the Con. Don't know what to say about that except I've got a few 12 year olds on the server that could have handled it better.

[Hotcod]

"It's likely the entire Yogscast scenario is just stress related misunderstanding. I apologize for bringing it online before talking to them."
-Notch

At lest his saying sorry heh Mojang just need to take this as a wake up call. They are not a small indie company any more, they are a very rich company with a huge community that most major devs would kill for and yet they, Notch more so, are still running around acting like a one man studio.

[Ravenlock]

This really isn't their first wake up call, though.

And it probably won't be their last.

[Hawkzombie]

And they will STILL make tons of money.

I need a drink.

[Troggles]

Turns out if you have a good product, you'll make money. PR be damned.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

Turns out if you have a good product, you'll make money. PR be damned.

Indeed.

People can be upset with Mojang all they want I suppose, but I like Notch and the rest of the team being as open as they are. I don't want them behind a PR filter.

Mojang may have made their money, but I don't see them in the same light as other professional game development houses. I am fine with this stuff as long as it's settled in the end.

[Hotcod]

It's not so much about a PR filter as having some common sense

[Vigil80]

As others have said, it seems like something messy occurred behind the scenes, and this spat was just whatever that was bubbling to the surface. Notch has no reason to make stuff up, and Yogs' response was expertly diplomatic; no telling what exactly happened. But it looks like it's being put to bed, and mom and dad aren't fighting anymore, to paraphrase some folks from the Minecraft boards. Good enough.

As for the con being disorganized and what not, well sure. Not even a team of programmers can handle all those variables. I wonder what the first PAX was like.

I would have gone if I could.

I'm with Tyler in that I appreciate Mojang's openness and grassroots style. But if they don't learn a little more professionalism, I'm afraid they, their game, and their community will suffer for it. It is possible to be down-to-earth without being "bumbling."

[LongStepMantis]

I want to take this chance to praise whatever optimizations they did in 1.0.0. to fix my stutter issue. For as long as I can remember my game stuttered periodically. Not hardcore lag, but the game would lag out for a second or two at set time intervals every 30 seconds or so. Still very playable the rest of the time but highly annoying. I tried everything I could think of to fix the issue, and it was always there even when the game was running smooth as silk otherwise. Now it's gone! I don't have to fear for my life every time I decide to face a creeper and hope it doesn't choose that moment to stutter!

[biosc1]

I want to take this chance to praise whatever optimizations they did in 1.0.0. to fix my stutter issue. For as long as I can remember my game stuttered periodically. Not hardcore lag, but the game would lag out for a second or two at set time intervals every 30 seconds or so. Still very playable the rest of the time but highly annoying. I tried everything I could think of to fix the issue, and it was always there even when the game was running smooth as silk otherwise. Now it's gone! I don't have to fear for my life every time I decide to face a creeper and hope it doesn't choose that moment to stutter!

It's true. It became almost unplayable on a lesser machine of mine that I used to always play it on. Now it's playable again!

[Darkmatter]

Of course Yogs response was professional. Its easy to come up with a good response when its days after the event and you have time to prepare it.

[Badger]

Of course Yogs response was professional. Its easy to come up with a good response when its days after the event and you have time to prepare it.

I don't see what you're getting at? It's easy to sound professional if you approach things professionally? I agree.

[Hotcod]

Of course Yogs response was professional. Its easy to come up with a good response when its days after the event and you have time to prepare it.

Yes, yes it is.... Now I wonder who could learn a lesson from that?

[torrefaction]

I think it's sorta cute how everyone assumes Notch should be able to put together a smoothly functioning business in a few months, millions made or not.

1.)Money made does not equal business savvy.
2.)Throwing money at a problem does not a company make.
3.)Hiring people is difficult, hiring good people is incredibly hard, and getting everyone working towards a common goal is like herding cats in an EXISTING organization.

LOTS of mistakes will be made before they ever become anything close to professional.

[MagGnome]

A few months? He made millions well over a year ago.

[LongStepMantis]

I can't argue with your points Torre, but as Mags pointed out, it's not like this is only the 3rd or 4th month since his success.

The game was first released in 2009, but we'll go ahead and assume most players came on-board in mid 2010 around the Alpha client's release. It passed a million units sold this past January. At the beginning of November, sales had just passed 4 million. So we're actually closer to entering year three of Minecraft's availability, and over a year since it went into the more widely-played releases. Mojang was formed in September 2010, also over a year ago, solely because of how much money had already been put towards the game by consumers.

I don't claim to be some business expert, but that seems long given the amount of funding at their disposal.

[Vigil80]

You don't have to be a millionaire mogul to understand things like being wary of dirty laundry on Twitter.

Or maybe you do, and my future's brighter than I realized.

[torrefaction]

You don't have to be a millionaire mogul to understand things like being wary of dirty laundry on Twitter.

Or maybe you do, and my future's brighter than I realized.

Have you fucking been on Twitter like....EVER?


Sometimes, I read what I write and I'm not sure if people realize I'm trying to be funny, or if I'm just a complete asshole.

[Handmade.Mercury]

So it looks like Notch has officially handed the Lead Developer position over to Jeb. I think things will probably go more smoothly from here on out.

[Vigil80]

Being an overnight millionaire is hard on one's nerves, you know.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

And he's going on vacation.

Honestly I'm not convinced he ever stopped being on vacation.

Yeah, the game is hardly any different than it was a a year ago and a half ago.

[Vigil80]

I'd disagree there. I think there have been some noteworthy changes and improvements. But, they all happened in the last month or so prior to MineCon.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

It was a sarcastic comment. I bought the game in the summer of 2010 and it is a very different game in December 2011.

[Badger]

Been checking out Voodoo's 1.0 world, Nilfheim recently. Haven't really scratched the surface of the 1.0 changes yet, but it's Minecraft how I remember it so that's good enough for me. Crazy set up a Nether portal, so that's the next stop on the adventure, then I guess I have to start beating up Endermans :s

Got my net fixed too, so will happily be livestreaming again whenever I get the chance.

[Zagrash]

Just in case anybody wants a 3d printed model of part of their Minecraft map. (http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/03/mineways-3d-printed-models-minecraft/)

They're a bit pricey, but what significant other wouldn't want a 3d model of your castle for valentine's day or something?