[PS3] Demon's Souls

[menage]

As good as that sounds, i'm from the EU ;)

Me too, so even with that announcement it still means importing at this point in time for us. Still, all English, all good.

[Nura]

Me too, so even with that announcement it still means importing at this point in time for us. Still, all English, all good.

Yeah, i never read the manuals anyway. My main concern is the price, but since we already pay insane amounts here in Denmark (aprox 100$ for a 360 game) i'm not too afraid.

Can anybody recommend a site to buy it from?

[Tayaya]

Oh my, gonna import this baby as soon as there's cash on the bankaccount again!

NCS (http://www.ncsx.com) is getting some on Tuesday. They will ship to the EU. Just sayin'....

[menage]

I got it from Yes-Asia, took a month but hey, of option 1 above doesn't work you could always try that.

[Nura]

Cool, i'm gonna check those sites out :) Thanks!

[Shandor]

Look up about 10 post. It's already common knowledge. :o

As good as that sounds, i'm from the EU ;)

Well shit then on both counts. :)

[Tayaya]

Beat the Blue Dragon last night, with just 2 arrows left. Since I'd forgotten to equip a ranged attack spell or bring any alternate ranged ammo with me, that would've really sucked if I ran out.... whew! And I'd brought 250 arrows into the level, too! Used the Clever Rat's Ring to boost my damage output when he still looked nice and healthy after about 120 arrows. Glad I did.

Remember, kids... the blue dragon sucks!

[unmarshal]

I picked this up on Ebay: Asian Version with English for 70$. Was a small price to pay for such an awesome game. I highly recommend it!

[menage]

Killed the Grey demon yesterday the chicken bow and arrow way. The sucker just stood there taking it. I would like to melee him but since he one hit killed me before I couldn't really give him a shot:P

[Nura]

Damn you guys! My bank is going to hate me now! I caved and bought it from yes-asia. Should be here in a couple of weeks (..And even though i'm importing it, it's still cheaper then if i had to buy it in the store)

[Tayaya]

Finished 4-2 and 4-3 last night. So now all I have left is 5-All, and 1-4, whose boss is a BASTARD.

Can't wait to start my next playthrough either, or pop online and help some people since I've only done a little co-op so far.

[menage]

Shot the red dragon out of the sky in 1-2. Took me a longbow+3 and 80 arrows or something.

[Tayaya]

Shot the red dragon out of the sky in 1-2. Took me a longbow+3 and 80 arrows or something.

Only 80? Wow. It took me way more arrows than that, more like 120 even without missing! I'm about to fight him on new game+ for me.

It's amazing how confidently you move forward in the game as you get close to the end.

I breezed through all of world 5 in about an hour, and only died once from falling, which was my fault. I remember when I got to the Tower of Latria for the first time, and was actually afraid to move ahead and try to make progress, because of the fear this game can instill upon you. It could just be that the first level of the tower is just that awesome, though.

[menage]

Only 80? Wow. It took me way more arrows than that, more like 120 even without missing! I'm about to fight him on new game+ for me.

It's amazing how confidently you move forward in the game as you get close to the end.

I breezed through all of world 5 in about an hour, and only died once from falling, which was my fault. I remember when I got to the Tower of Latria for the first time, and was actually afraid to move ahead and try to make progress, because of the fear this game can instill upon you. It could just be that the first level of the tower is just that awesome, though.

Tell me about it. I've been playing shitscared of dying for 7 hours or so, before finally slaying my way through a huge section of that tower. The pace is a goldmine of cool stuff. I also battles my way through a bit of world 5, until I died of the plague. I have a harder time with world 2-2 at the moment. Those 2 clubdudes in the small tunnel are lethal.

I read the world tendecy thing a few times now, but I'm way too scared too battle a boss demon with a living character to really amke a dent in the tendecy's.. I'm afraid that will have to wait for my second playthrough. I just don't really get it yet. Shame, cause I really want to meet a lot of the chara's from the loading screens.

What's your level?

[Tayaya]

Tell me about it. I've been playing shitscared of dying for 7 hours or so, before finally slaying my way through a huge section of that tower. The pace is a goldmine of cool stuff. I also battles my way through a bit of world 5, until I died of the plague. I have a harder time with world 2-2 at the moment. Those 2 clubdudes in the small tunnel are lethal.

I read the world tendecy thing a few times now, but I'm way too scared too battle a boss demon with a living character to really amke a dent in the tendecy's.. I'm afraid that will have to wait for my second playthrough. I just don't really get it yet. Shame, cause I really want to meet a lot of the chara's from the loading screens.

What's your level?

I am somewhere around Soul Level 70-72 I believe. Will check when I head home for the night. I may start up a new character instead of a New Game + tonight, so I can work my way up to catching up with you and help you through some of the crap. The level window for summoning a blue soul is +/- 10 levels off your own, or 15 levels after level 100. Just remember... there WILL be times where you get on a bad streak and end up dying a lot... it's part of the game, but persevere and you will get past it.

[menage]

I am somewhere around Soul Level 70-72 I believe. Will check when I head home for the night. I may start up a new character instead of a New Game + tonight, so I can work my way up to catching up with you and help you through some of the crap. The level window for summoning a blue soul is +/- 10 levels off your own, or 15 levels after level 100. Just remember... there WILL be times where you get on a bad streak and end up dying a lot... it's part of the game, but persevere and you will get past it.

Cool, I'm at level 37 now (soldier), but finally making progress again (in my honest opinion of course, but after killing skeletons in 4-1 for a couple of hours everything feels like progress:D)

[Tayaya]

Cool, I'm at level 37 now (soldier), but finally making progress again (in my honest opinion of course, but after killing skeletons in 4-1 for a couple of hours everything feels like progress:D)

LOL yeah those guys are bastards. If you use your theif's ring though you can at least take them on one at a time. The Shrine of Storms, to me, was one of the hardest areas thanks to its narrow paths and tough enemies. 1-4 is no picnic either but at least it's short.

[menage]

LOL yeah those guys are bastards. If you use your theif's ring though you can at least take them on one at a time. The Shrine of Storms, to me, was one of the hardest areas thanks to its narrow paths and tough enemies. 1-4 is no picnic either but at least it's short.

If you're low level they really are a bitch, but also a great way to get plenty of souls when you keep at it. I'm still fearing those wardens from the tower of Latria though, those lamplight carrying bastards can kill you with their tentacle attack from hell almost instantly.

I met slashing laser spewing living ball of corpses there yesterday, he takes the cake so far in the coolness department. Before I died that is. Reminded me of a Symphony of the Night boss

[menage]

Wow, made huge progress today. Killed the Adjudicator & the Flame Lurker, met the Dragongod (and died), got the keel smasher and showed it to Scirvir. Lvl 44 now. I finally get how this tendecy thing works, still risky at times though.

I'm finally beginning to get this game. If you want to make progress in any way you really need to venture online and battle it out accompanied by other players at times.

[Tayaya]

Wow, made huge progress today. Killed the Adjudicator & the Flame Lurker, met the Dragongod (and died), got the keel smasher and showed it to Scirvir. Lvl 44 now. I finally get how this tendecy thing works, still risky at times though.

I'm finally beginning to get this game. If you want to make progress in any way you really need to venture online and battle it out accompanied by other players at times.

Heh.... any day you kill a boss is a good day in Demon's Souls. You'll feel really good when you do all 3 of world 5's bosses in once go, though..... they're all pushovers!

For Dragon God, just yank off all your armor. He'll one-hit you no matter what, so you may as well save on repair costs, and you can move SO FAST without it. He's a total "gimmick" boss, though..... once you trigger the first event that damages him, wait for him to look away and wince before moving, and you should be able to move without him ever attacking you between point 1 and point 2, and then after that he's just trapped and waiting for you to kill him.

[menage]

Heh.... any day you kill a boss is a good day in Demon's Souls. You'll feel really good when you do all 3 of world 5's bosses in once go, though..... they're all pushovers!

For Dragon God, just yank off all your armor. He'll one-hit you no matter what, so you may as well save on repair costs, and you can move SO FAST without it.

Yeah, just killed the false idol or whatever chick. And in alive mode as well so my tendency went up in Latria. Pretty easy if you've played stuff like that before.That's 3 bosses today! Take that difficult game!

Do I need the keel smasher for Dragon God, seeing as it's heavy as hell?

[Tayaya]

Yeah, just killed the false idol or whatever chick. And in alive mode as well so my tendency went up in Latria. Pretty easy if you've played stuff like that before.That's 3 bosses today! Take that difficult game!

Do I need the keel smasher for Dragon God, seeing as it's heavy as hell?

A little late in getting back to you on this one, but you only need a regular ol' bow for dragon god. Like Storm King, the means for defeating him can be found in the level itself (you'll know it when you see it in the case of Dragon God... can't miss it). It's more of a puzzle than a real fight.... just finding a way to get to the two places you need to get to.

[Nura]

Just had my first online experience (well, my first "co-op", i've been invaded a couple of times) I helped some guy take down the Flamelurker. It was awesome! I love the way the online part works!

[Lekon]

A little late in getting back to you on this one, but you only need a regular ol' bow for dragon god. Like Storm King, the means for defeating him can be found in the level itself (you'll know it when you see it in the case of Dragon God... can't miss it). It's more of a puzzle than a real fight.... just finding a way to get to the two places you need to get to.

On that note: The stormlord fight was one of the most awesome fights of that entire game. Wow you got to feel like a god during that battle.

Shame it only works there. And for those of you feeling mighty and awesome going near the end... wait for NewGame +.

[menage]

I've been getting sidetracked by Fallout 2 but this is so getting played tonight. Need to kill DragonGod (thanks for the info) and the slime thing at the end of 5-1

[Zecon]

I have a question, I checked the wiki but I can't seem to find an answer.
What is up with laying down my blue eye stone and breaking into another player's game as B. Phantom? I just want to do some co-op, but I keep getting stuck in a room with a robe on my head. I'm only mid forties trying to take down the 2 flying demon bosses in the tower of latria, so I'm dying really fast. It's really annoying.

[Tayaya]

I have a question, I checked the wiki but I can't seem to find an answer.
What is up with laying down my blue eye stone and breaking into another player's game as B. Phantom? I just want to do some co-op, but I keep getting stuck in a room with a robe on my head. I'm only mid forties trying to take down the 2 flying demon bosses in the tower of latria, so I'm dying really fast. It's really annoying.

Maneater is a bastard of a boss.... I needed co-op help for him as well.

It sounds like you're using your Red Eye stone... this stone allows you to break into another player's game to try and PK them for fun and profit (and black tendency). If you keep ending up in the room with the yellow cloth on your head, that means that the Old Monk, boss of 3-3, has summoned you. Basically 3-3 has no real boss, just a tough black phantom. When you are playing the game normally though, if you're "online" then the game summons a random Black Phantom from wherever they may be currently to stand-in as the boss you actually fight (so you fight a real player, not an AI). You just seem to be getting summoned as a boss for some lucky player to fight, though sometimes the nasty black phantoms leading up to him will kill the players off before they get to you.

When you use your BLUEEyes stone, you will leave a blue message on the ground that other players in body form (not soul form) can see. They can then click on these messages and summon you as a blue soul into their game world. Remember though, you won't get the Demon Soul for killing the boss if you beat him that way, but you will get white tendency and your body back. What YOU need to do is get to the top of the level, put on your body (use a stone of Ephemeral Eyes), and then look around up there to see if anyone's left any blue messages for you to utilize. They will be at the top of the stairs, before you get to the fog.

[Tayaya]

On that note: The stormlord fight was one of the most awesome fights of that entire game. Wow you got to feel like a god during that battle.

Yep. One of my favorite parts of the game... when you swing the Stormruler for the first time!

[Zecon]

Ahh yeah, I guess that what happens when i spend half an hour looking for a coop partner, im out of the stone of ephemeral eyes, so i have to go help someone kill a boss before i can get my body back
Just read up on the boss of 3-3 on the wiki, yeah I just keep getting summoned as a boss. I'm probably the easiest boss of the game. :^D

[Tayaya]

Ahh yeah, I guess that what happens when i spend half an hour looking for a coop partner, im out of the stone of ephemeral eyes, so i have to go help someone kill a boss before i can get my body back
Just read up on the boss of 3-3 on the wiki, yeah I just keep getting summoned as a boss. I'm probably the easiest boss of the game. :^D

Heh. You'll get it. Persevere and you will conquer all. Sometimes the game really does try to break your will, and it can be very good at it. You'll get it though...just don't give up! Go back and farm up some souls if you need to.... remember that no matter what stat you boost your base defense always goes up. Extra VIT can help, and strength and dex are always welcome for using better gear. Total Protection is a godsend in the maneater fight as long as you can keep it going.

For the future - stay in soul form as much as possible your first time through. Tendency doesn't matter much initially, and bosses are less aggressive when you're a soul.... and regular enemies have a harder time seeing you.

[Tayaya]

I stared a new character tonight to help a co-worker, so if anyone out there is in need of help, feel free to let me know and we can work something out.

I am surprised though.... what I once thought was a grind-heavy game turns out to be anything but, in reality. 2 hours in and I've already taken out Phalanx, Tower Knight, and the Red Dragon, without the need to repeat any levels at all to farm souls. I DID, however, kill that red-eyes knight in 1-1, which net me 2 grand in souls I didn't expect to have... or as I call it, 100 free arrows. But yeah, I am like a machine now, methodically and ruthlessly killing everything that moves.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I think the 1.3 patch made some slight graphical changes, like in the lighting and color palate, because the game does look a little better this time around, and I"m noticing more subtleties in the lighting and shadows, and the game just looks even better than it did the first time around. Could be 100% me, though. Too bad the new patch broke a bunch of other stuff, though...... like some of the game's more useful items and weapons! They'll fix that, though.

[Banacek]

Not sure how I missed this game or this thread, but damn am I excited for this game.

[menage]

Been playing this again for the fast few days. Killed the Dragon God and the Leechmonger (which both were very easy when you know how) But still there's shit that I'm not sure of.

What is the difference between all the different souls you find (common soldiers soul, hero's soul, etc) which transform you back into a soul? And why are they usefulll, cause I haven't used a single one yet. I usually kill myself in the hub.

I'm also fining lot's of weapons which all have base lower stats than my current weapon. Is it usefull to try and pimp those up, cause that would take ages but if it's worth the effort. It's just very vague which are usefull or not at all.

[Banacek]

Is it out? Can I pick it up today?

[Evil Avnovice]

Is it out? Can I pick it up today?

Yes you can. The import version has been out since February 2009.

[Banacek]

Yes you can. The import version has been out since February 2009.

Bah, I was hoping someone broke the street date.

[Sandman]

I can't wait to die tomorrow.

[Dukefrukem]

What's the difference between the import and the US release?

[Sandman]

What's the difference between the import and the US release?

You can't play on the US servers with import copies.

[Dukefrukem]

Will wait for US version then.

[Tayaya]

Been playing this again for the fast few days. Killed the Dragon God and the Leechmonger (which both were very easy when you know how) But still there's shit that I'm not sure of.

What is the difference between all the different souls you find (common soldiers soul, hero's soul, etc) which transform you back into a soul? And why are they usefulll, cause I haven't used a single one yet. I usually kill myself in the hub.

I'm also fining lot's of weapons which all have base lower stats than my current weapon. Is it usefull to try and pimp those up, cause that would take ages but if it's worth the effort. It's just very vague which are usefull or not at all.

The soldier's and hero's souls that you pick up are usable items. You basically use them and they add to your soul count. Free money essentially. Don't use them out in the field, though, as you know you lose any souls you have tallied up when you die (unless you can get back to them, of course). In the nexus, though, use all those solidier/hero souls you've picked up so you can boost up your stats even faster.

Read the descriptions for any items you pick up, as some of them have lower base stats but carry perks like better armor peirce, poison, HP/MP drain, etc. Also, some weapons need to be upgraded to a certain level before you can upgrade them into their demon-enchanted variants, like the always useful lava bow. Most of what you pick up is crap, but there are some really nice items that you can craft, if you know what to look for.

[nixpayn]

i am in want with this game.

[Banacek]

I was hoping that there was a good guide coming out with the game, but I can't seem to find one. Oh well, there's always GameFaqs.

[menage]

I was hoping that there was a good guide coming out with the game, but I can't seem to find one. Oh well, there's always GameFaqs.

There's a huge wiki (http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/) around as well, bit more usefull.

There's spoilers though, and it's still pretty difficult to grasp.

The soldier's and hero's souls that you pick up are usable items. You basically use them and they add to your soul count. Free money essentially. Don't use them out in the field, though, as you know you lose any souls you have tallied up when you die (unless you can get back to them, of course). In the nexus, though, use all those solidier/hero souls you've picked up so you can boost up your stats even faster.

Read the descriptions for any items you pick up, as some of them have lower base stats but carry perks like better armor peirce, poison, HP/MP drain, etc. Also, some weapons need to be upgraded to a certain level before you can upgrade them into their demon-enchanted variants, like the always useful lava bow. Most of what you pick up is crap, but there are some really nice items that you can craft, if you know what to look for.

Thanks, I really didn't know about the souls being money. That should help a bit tonight:D

[Banacek]

There's a huge wiki (http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/) around as well, bit more usefull.

There's spoilers though, and it's still pretty difficult to grasp.

Cool thanks! I just have this feeling that I'm going to need help with this game :)

[Darken Skye]

I was hoping that there was a good guide coming out with the game, but I can't seem to find one. Oh well, there's always GameFaqs.

I believe the strategy guide came with the special edition of the game here in the US.

[Gorvi]

I believe the strategy guide came with the special edition of the game here in the US.
Yep, that's one of the reasons I pre-ordered the LE of the game. From the skimming I've done of this thread it looks like it'd be very helpful. I've avoided spoilers so far, thankfully, I can't wait to dig into this tomorrow.

[Xydarc]

Demon's Souls Deluxe Edition (http://www.amazon.com/Demons-Deluxe-Artbook-Soundtrack-Playstation-3/dp/B002GJRQQY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1254773129&sr=1-1) from Amazon. While I'm glad to have a strat guide, I'm not sure how much I'll use it at first.Probably after my first death.

[menage]

Cool thanks! I just have this feeling that I'm going to need help with this game :)

I did, sometimes I still don't have a clue (40 hours playing:P)

[maybeme]

Man I didn't even know what this was when I got up this morning and I just spent lunch time trolling Best Buy to see if they had any in, screw all you guys.

[Zecon]

I did, sometimes I still don't have a clue (40 hours playing:P)

Hell I beat the game, and I barely understood how i did it. Oh and enjoy the swamp....:eek:

[Gorvi]

The GameTrailers review:

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And here's a somewhat random question: What's the save system in Demon's Souls like? Are there save points, does it auto save, is it save anywhere?

[menage]

And here's a somewhat random question: What's the save system in Demon's Souls like? Are there save points, does it auto save, is it save anywhere?

One save per game, saves anytime something new happens (warp to world, adjust items, buy stuff, etc).

[Gorvi]

One save per game, saves anytime something new happens (warp to world, adjust items, buy stuff, etc).
Cool, that's what I thought, but I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere.

[Xydarc]

My copy is waiting for me to pick it up. Tonight is Demon's Souls night!

[Gorvi]

My copy is waiting for me to pick it up. Tonight is Demon's Souls night!
I will invade your game and kill you. ;) :p

[Abyssion]

It looks like Amazon didn't drop the ball on release date delivery like they did last time with Arkham Asylum. Now I just need the UPS person to drop it off!

[Gorvi]

The official North American Wiki (http://www.demons-souls.com/wiki/).

[Sandman]

So I was only played till I died on the first boss in the tutorial level before coming in. I'm already in love with this game. I love the pace of the combat, you have to actually aim your sword and your magic and you actually have to use strategy or you will die. I didn't want to start a full game while the PSN was down for maintenance because I want to play this online.....can't wait to really get into it.

I tried a magician as a starter class...I think I'll stick with it.

[Banacek]

Damnit, GameStop didn't have it yet at lunchtime.

[Seika]

Can't wait to pick this up, the gt review sold me.

[Abyssion]

So I was only played till I died on the first boss in the tutorial level before coming in. I'm already in love with this game. I love the pace of the combat, you have to actually aim your sword and your magic and you actually have to use strategy or you will die. I didn't want to start a full game while the PSN was down for maintenance because I want to play this online.....can't wait to really get into it.

I tried a magician as a starter class...I think I'll stick with it.

I chose Wanderer, I'm knida iffy on him at the moment. I felt like I sucked at the game for losing at the first boss. Then I wonder if I was supposed to or not. I'm probably wrong on that though.

It took me a few hours but I beat the first level! Which I will probably play through a few more times so I can grind for experience or something, I really need a defense boost.

[Banacek]

Anyone get their copy from GameStop yet?

[Gorvi]

Anyone get their copy from GameStop yet?
I grabbed mine from Babbage's (essentially the same thing) on my way home from work.

[Banacek]

I grabbed mine from Babbage's (essentially the same thing) on my way home from work.

I'll have to give mine a call then. Thanks!

[Grifter]

Mine will be here tomorrow, I can't wait.

[maharahaj]

One save per game, saves anytime something new happens (warp to world, adjust items, buy stuff, etc).

Does dying auto-save the gameas well? Essentially, if you die, do you have the option to re-load your previous save as a mortal or are you forced to play on in spirit form.

[Banacek]

Just got mine :)

[Banacek]

Do we need to be on each other lists to see notes? Or is it everyone? Anyway, my PSN username is SargeantJSaves.

[Lekon]

Does dying auto-save the gameas well? Essentially, if you die, do you have the option to re-load your previous save as a mortal or are you forced to play on in spirit form.

Taking two steps auto saves. So yeah: Don't try to just quit/reload. Its auto saving damn near constantly.

[Urizen]

This game is definitely going on the wish list, but I'm going to wait for a price drop. It's not an easy decision, though, seeing as how my online experience is going to suffer if I wait to play when fewer other people are playing it.

But the budget right now says it's either this or Uncharted 2.

[Tayaya]

I chose Wanderer, I'm knida iffy on him at the moment. I felt like I sucked at the game for losing at the first boss. Then I wonder if I was supposed to or not. I'm probably wrong on that though.

It took me a few hours but I beat the first level! Which I will probably play through a few more times so I can grind for experience or something, I really need a defense boost.

Yes, the first boss is supposed to kill you. He is beatable, though, if you are REALLY good at the game. I think you get a Gripless katana for the deed, which is not big deal as you can get one later on and it's not a great weapon anyway, since it hurts you when you use it, due to the lack of a handle. Don't worry, you'll laugh about him later...

I was totally going to skip the US version but the idea of playing and helping you guys is getting really tempting. So far I am holding off, though, since Uncharted 2 is right around the corner.

[Gorvi]

I played for about 2 hours this morning, and so far I love it. It hasn't been hard so much as it punishes you for just rushing in. You have to come at your encounters in a smart way, or else you risk getting slaughtered. I've died once so far (made it back to my blood stain :)), and that was because I was just being stupid and trying to just run at an enemy.

My main concern with the game was the controls, as while I enjoyed the King's Field games, the control was always very sluggish. Thankfully in DS that's not the case, and other than using some healing items when I didn't mean to (hitting square when I meant to attack for some reason) the controls have been great.

I started out as Royalty since that looked like the most balanced, and so far I'm not regretting it. I can cast one offensive spell so far, I can melee pretty well, and I have a ring that regenerates my MP over time.

This game is going to consume me.

[maharahaj]

Taking two steps auto saves. So yeah: Don't try to just quit/reload. Its auto saving damn near constantly.

Ugh. That makes it a rental at best in my book. Thanks for the response.

[Uno Ill Nino]

I've got this coming from Gamefly this week. I'm thinking I might buy it next week at Toys R Us (Buy 2 get 1 Free next week) if I really like it.

Anyway, my PSN handle is UnoIllNino. Please add me if you are playing this game because after watching that GameTrailers video, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna want to buy this. :)

[menage]

Ugh. That makes it a rental at best in my book. Thanks for the response.

Reloading would take a lot of the purpose out of the game. It actually encourages you to find the last spot you died for example to get your lost souls back, when you reach it you basically will have 2 times the souls because you did verything twice as well. Even if you die you do keep your gained items. You can't save during missions anyway, you always start at the beginning or hub.

It really is a game where your decisions stay with you and make your character the way it is (in a stat/weapon way). It's one if the few games I know I actually think a multiple save system would destroy much of what makes the game good. It would remove a lot of tension and the idea of reincarnating/dying/ etc would be a bit lost by it.

It's just not a game where it would benefit in a good way.

[Banacek]

So far I am loving this game. The only complaint I have is the targeting lock. I can be looking at the enemy and it still won't lock on. By the time it does lock on it can be too late. Other then that it's been a lot of fun. I wouldn't say it's hard so far as much as the game punishes you for being stupid. Dying before you make it back to your bloodstain hurts :)

[menage]

Just wait:P

[Mike Kelehan]

Ugh. That makes it a rental at best in my book. Thanks for the response.

Really? Having consequences for your actions so you really need to think before you act makes it a rental?

[Tayaya]

I played for about 2 hours this morning, and so far I love it. It hasn't been hard so much as it punishes you for just rushing in. You have to come at your encounters in a smart way, or else you risk getting slaughtered. I've died once so far (made it back to my blood stain :)), and that was because I was just being stupid and trying to just run at an enemy.

My main concern with the game was the controls, as while I enjoyed the King's Field games, the control was always very sluggish. Thankfully in DS that's not the case, and other than using some healing items when I didn't mean to (hitting square when I meant to attack for some reason) the controls have been great.

I started out as Royalty since that looked like the most balanced, and so far I'm not regretting it. I can cast one offensive spell so far, I can melee pretty well, and I have a ring that regenerates my MP over time.

This game is going to consume me.

It's not as hard as everyone says, so much as it is just less forgiving than most modern games (I'm looking at you, cel-shaded Prince of Persia). You'll quickly learn that a bow is your best friend, and that the game's AI can be tricked into doing stupid things that let you easily manhandle otherwise nigh-impossible bosses. Even knowing those things though, the game can still be quite the challenge.

[menage]

I'm having a pretty hard time against those big trolls in the swamp at the moment.

[Tayaya]

I'm having a pretty hard time against those big trolls in the swamp at the moment.

Not much strategy I can offer for those big lanky guys. Ranged weapons help a bunch, of course, and being very good at dodging!

[Hawkzombie]

So one thing I seem to take from this game is ranged = best way of doing things?

I'm buying this for sure at the end of the month, but I'd love to know what kind of character to make (or is there really much option for variety?)

[Tayaya]

So one thing I seem to take from this game is ranged = best way of doing things?

I'm buying this for sure at the end of the month, but I'd love to know what kind of character to make (or is there really much option for variety?)

Yes, ranged is one of the best things to do in this game, but it's kind of the less-fun, more-cheap way out. There are a bunch of enemies that you can pick off before you are close enough for the AI to really detect you or react. One of the mini-bosses, for example, you can kill from a safe distance without him ever doing more than just wandering aimlessly.

[Xydarc]

I played for about 2 hours this morning, and so far I love it. It hasn't been hard so much as it punishes you for just rushing in. You have to come at your encounters in a smart way, or else you risk getting slaughtered. I've died once so far (made it back to my blood stain :)), and that was because I was just being stupid and trying to just run at an enemy.

My main concern with the game was the controls, as while I enjoyed the King's Field games, the control was always very sluggish. Thankfully in DS that's not the case, and other than using some healing items when I didn't mean to (hitting square when I meant to attack for some reason) the controls have been great.

I started out as Royalty since that looked like the most balanced, and so far I'm not regretting it. I can cast one offensive spell so far, I can melee pretty well, and I have a ring that regenerates my MP over time.

This game is going to consume me.
I was looking for a Black Phantom named Gorvi last night, I wondered why I didn't see him. ;)

I played for a few hours last night. I started a Hunter, and it's a good class so far. Sniping with a bow has saved my bacon. I died twice in 1-1, and couldn't make it to my bloodstain the first time, so I lost a few hundred souls. However, I was able to make up for that by killing the Red Eyed Knight that guards the Old King. However, when I looted the Red Eyed Knight, all I got was a New Moon Grass. I was hoping for something more.

I'm loving the game. I love leaving messages, I love the strategic combat. The Hunter class is a blast to play, which surprises me. My favorite class to play in RPGs is a magic user. For my first run through of DS though, I figured going melee/ranged would be less frustrating. It was a good choice. When I finish my first go around and get a New Game+, I'll definitely go magic user.

The atmosphere is great, the music is good, the voice acting is good so far; Demon's Souls has definitely been worth the price I paid for it.

[Abyssion]

I played for a few hours last night. I started a Hunter, and it's a good class so far. Sniping with a bow has saved my bacon. I died twice in 1-1, and couldn't make it to my bloodstain the first time, so I lost a few hundred souls. However, I was able to make up for that by killing the Red Eyed Knight that guards the Old King. However, when I looted the Red Eyed Knight, all I got was a New Moon Grass. I was hoping for something more.

I think the guide mentioned he has other drops, but it's based on drop percentage.

Yes, the first boss is supposed to kill you. He is beatable, though, if you are REALLY good at the game. I think you get a Gripless katana for the deed, which is not big deal as you can get one later on and it's not a great weapon anyway, since it hurts you when you use it, due to the lack of a handle. Don't worry, you'll laugh about him later...


Thanks, I decided to make a Royalty character shortly after beating 1-1, and I kinda realized if he doesn't kill me then how would I reach the Nexus in the first place. Unless there's a door or something in the chance you DO kill him, I guess I'll have to wait and see.

[Tayaya]

Also, any time you boost your stats, you always get a physical defense boost, no matter what stat you boost, so those of you in need of moar defense, upgrade away!

Strength and endurance should be top priorities, and if you're interested in magic, as you should be, make sure not to neglect that either!

[Lekon]

I think the guide mentioned he has other drops, but it's based on drop percentage.



Thanks, I decided to make a Royalty character shortly after beating 1-1, and I kinda realized if he doesn't kill me then how would I reach the Nexus in the first place. Unless there's a door or something in the chance you DO kill him, I guess I'll have to wait and see.

If, somehow, you beat him, you still die. You get to a special one of a kind area, get a sword, and then the Dragon God smashes you into paste.

Check youtube, there should be a few videos of the horrid death. Its quite comical.

[Tayaya]

I think the guide mentioned he has other drops, but it's based on drop percentage.



Thanks, I decided to make a Royalty character shortly after beating 1-1, and I kinda realized if he doesn't kill me then how would I reach the Nexus in the first place. Unless there's a door or something in the chance you DO kill him, I guess I'll have to wait and see.

Killing the red eyed knight is useful mainly for the souls he drops. Since he's so close to the start of the level once you open it up, you can go in, kill him, go back to the nexus, and repeat. At very low levels, if you're clever you can rope him into falling off a ledge and dying... that works too! After you finish 1-3 though there's a group of three of those fuckers that you fight just before you fight the 1-3 boss. Later you can start at the 1-3 archstone, and go the wrong way (back into 1-2), fight them, and do the same. Grinding isn't really a necessity in the game but there are easy ways to do it if you need just a few more souls for your next stat.

As for the opening area boss, from what I hear even if you kill him you die anyway after getting his loot. Not sure as I've never been able to beat him while in tutorial land!

[Tayaya]

If, somehow, you beat him, you still die. You get to a special one of a kind area, get a sword, and then the Dragon God smashes you into paste.

Check youtube, there should be a few videos of the horrid death. Its quite comical.

Ah! Nice!

[Dukefrukem]

Damn it this game sounds great. F U guys for making me buy it.

[Xydarc]

Killing the red eyed knight is useful mainly for the souls he drops. Since he's so close to the start of the level once you open it up, you can go in, kill him, go back to the nexus, and repeat. At very low levels, if you're clever you can rope him into falling off a ledge and dying... that works too! After you finish 1-3 though there's a group of three of those fuckers that you fight just before you fight the 1-3 boss. Later you can start at the 1-3 archstone, and go the wrong way (back into 1-2), fight them, and do the same. Grinding isn't really a necessity in the game but there are easy ways to do it if you need just a few more souls for your next stat.

I plan to farm the Red Eyed Knight from 1-1 a few times for souls, hopefully I can get lucky on the loot.

[Mortis]

I just picked this up, gonna fire it up tonight. I needed something to pass the time until Brutal Legend and Uncharted 2 hit next week.

[Xydarc]

Damn it this game sounds great. F U guys for making me buy it.
You make your own choices, sir. A good choice, however.:D

[Banacek]

I plan to farm the Red Eyed Knight from 1-1 a few times for souls, hopefully I can get lucky on the loot.

That's my goal for tonight as well. Where do you go to upgrade your stats?

[Abyssion]

That's my goal for tonight as well. Where do you go to upgrade your stats?

Once you beat 1-1 and open up the other areas you talk to the Maiden in Black, and she will get you started.

[Banacek]

Once you beat 1-1 and open up the other areas you talk to the Maiden in Black, and she will get you started.

Cool, thanks!

[Primus]

Bah, now I'm gonna pick it up...

[Evil Avnovice]

I got my Deluxe Edition yesterday afternoon. Playing last night, I went with a Soldier. Currently in Boletarian Palace, I've been collecting souls, and trying to come up with some sort of plan to take out Phalanx.

I've managed to upgrade a Long Sword, shield and spear, and I had a couple of accidental deaths from the red-eyed knight and a red dragon. :p

[Gorvi]

I got my Deluxe Edition yesterday afternoon. Playing last night, I went with a Soldier. Currently in Boletarian Palace, I've been collecting souls, and trying to come up with some sort of plan to take out Phalanx.

I've managed to upgrade a Long Sword, shield and spear, and I had a couple of accidental deaths from the red-eyed knight and a red dragon. :p
Someone has a great tip that they left that really saved my ass against Phalanx: bring firebombs. Lots. I just happened to have 16 on me when I read that when I first went in and they made the fight much easier than I'm guessing it would have been without them.

[Xydarc]

I got my Deluxe Edition yesterday afternoon. Playing last night, I went with a Soldier. Currently in Boletarian Palace, I've been collecting souls, and trying to come up with some sort of plan to take out Phalanx.

I've managed to upgrade a Long Sword, shield and spear, and I had a couple of accidental deaths from the red-eyed knight and a red dragon. :p
The first time I heard those wings when crossing that bridge, I turned tail and ran. Great decision, especially when the dragon took out all the soldiers on the bridge. I didn't try a loot run at the Dragon's Roost, not after seeing so many bloodstains there.

I just tried to farm Red Eyes Knight during my lunch break, and died twice. Fucker kept attacking the barrels instead of trying to go around them. The one time he did fall, it was just to the next ledge, which, of course, he raced up and raped me with his spear.

[Evil Avnovice]

Someone has a great tip that they left that really saved my ass against Phalanx: bring firebombs. Lots. I just happened to have 16 on me when I read that when I first went in and they made the fight much easier than I'm guessing it would have been without them.

I tried tossing a couple of those. HP regenerated right back as soon as I stopped tossing them. Before tackling Phalanx, I'd like to see if I can upgrade further before actually coming up with a plan.

[Evil Avnovice]

The first time I heard those wings when crossing that bridge, I turned tail and ran. Great decision, especially when the dragon took out all the soldiers on the bridge. I didn't try a loot run at the Dragon's Roost, not after seeing so many bloodstains there.

That was a very cool moment when I saw all those soldiers get fried (me with it almost, as I sprinted away just in the nick of time!) I also ventured where there was another one, and I got toasted because I got too close when trying to see if I could investigate those dropped items.

I just tried to farm Red Eyes Knight during my lunch break, and died twice. Fucker kept attacking the barrels instead of trying to go around them. The one time he did fall, it was just to the next ledge, which, of course, he raced up and raped me with his spear.

My first encounter was when I was about to engage it, the same as the blue eyed knight, where it was guarding the Masoleum entrance. Next thing I know, he charges me and I go down in two hits maximum. Never mind the fact that I gotta slave my way back up there to recollect my souls! :eek:

So far, I try and lose him around all those machines and whatnot and try to sprint past him. When I got the key to the Masoleum, it was all for nothing, as the knight with the green aura killed me in one hit. :p

[Gorvi]

The first time I heard those wings when crossing that bridge, I turned tail and ran. Great decision, especially when the dragon took out all the soldiers on the bridge. I didn't try a loot run at the Dragon's Roost, not after seeing so many bloodstains there.

I just tried to farm Red Eyes Knight during my lunch break, and died twice. Fucker kept attacking the barrels instead of trying to go around them. The one time he did fall, it was just to the next ledge, which, of course, he raced up and raped me with his spear.
I thought I'd try fighting him, just for the hell of it. He completely destroyed me, stabbed me and killed me in one hit. I was able to get back to my bloodstain, but he spotted me and came after me again, thankfully I was able to just run away like a little girl to safety. :p
I tried tossing a couple of those. HP regenerated right back as soon as I stopped tossing them. Before tackling Phalanx, I'd like to see if I can upgrade further before actually coming up with a plan.
I threw a bunch of them and it did the trick. He's got those oil things all over them, which is mainly what I was destroying with the fire. Once I got rid of those I hit him with some spells a few times and he went down really quick.

[Abyssion]

The first time I heard those wings when crossing that bridge, I turned tail and ran. Great decision, especially when the dragon took out all the soldiers on the bridge. I didn't try a loot run at the Dragon's Roost, not after seeing so many bloodstains there.

I managed to do that with my royalty toon. The other dragon's tail smashed me on my way back, luckily I was able to get back to my bloodstain to get my souls. I had about 12k at the time.

[Evil Avnovice]

I threw a bunch of them and it did the trick. He's got those oil things all over them, which is mainly what I was destroying with the fire. Once I got rid of those I hit him with some spells a few times and he went down really quick.

I have no magic/miracles, so I'll be attempting the bare-handed method.

[Xerxes]

I just got it at Fry's for $60 bucks. Deluxe box that is!

Can't wait to dig in this weekend.

[Vigil80]

So is there really much reason not to choose a royalty character over the others? Sure it might make the beginning tougher, but if all the classes really just amount to starting packages, then hand-picking stat raises from the lowest level and a neat ring on top of that sounds like the way to go.

[Xydarc]

I thought I'd try fighting him, just for the hell of it. He completely destroyed me, stabbed me and killed me in one hit. I was able to get back to my bloodstain, but he spotted me and came after me again, thankfully I was able to just run away like a little girl to safety. :p

The stairwell that leads to the Cling Ring and has explosive barrels down it is the trap I use. There is a ledge that has 2 barrels sitting next to each other. If you position yourself right, he'll try to move around the barrels and fall off the ledge. If he falls all the way to the bottom...boom. 2k souls and hopefully good lewtz.

[Xydarc]

So is there really much reason not to choose a royalty character over the others? Sure it might make the beginning tougher, but if all the classes really just amount to starting packages, then hand-picking stat raises from the lowest level and a neat ring on top of that sounds like the way to go.
I have no regrets going with Hunter. The longbow is great for sniping.:)

[Primus]

Any impressions on the multiplayer? Is it just tacked on or worthwile?

[Banacek]

DAMNIT! I have to work this weekend!!

[Gwinny]

Best Buy doesn't seem to be carrying this in the United States. At least, calling to the nearby Best Buys turned up nothing and it's not on their website. If we knew this in advance, I missed it, so I'm a bit irked! I've got little money but I do have a BB gift card.

On the other hand, if this game is really really really really worth $60 then I might be able to forgo filling up my car for another week and get it at Gamestop. As an ATLUS-published title I fear it will have disappeared entirely by the time my next paycheck arrives. What says the community?

[Gorvi]

Any impressions on the multiplayer? Is it just tacked on or worthwile?
It's not multiplayer in the traditional sense, you can't invite friends to your game or anything like that. You can summon other random players to your game to help you (up to 3) or you can be summoned yourself. It's one of the ways you can regain your body. You can also invade other player's games in order to kill them, and vice versa.

You also see other players who are playing at the same time as you fade in an out as ghosts, so you see what they're doing, which is pretty damn cool.
Best Buy doesn't seem to be carrying this in the United States. At least, calling to the nearby Best Buys turned up nothing and it's not on their website. If we knew this in advance, I missed it, so I'm a bit irked! I've got little money but I do have a BB gift card.

On the other hand, if this game is really really really really worth $60 then I might be able to forgo filling up my car for another week and get it at Gamestop. As an ATLUS-published title I fear it will have disappeared entirely by the time my next paycheck arrives. What says the community?
Without question it is worth it.

[Primus]

It's not multiplayer in the traditional sense, you can't invite friends to your game or anything like that. You can summon other random players to your game to help you (up to 3) or you can be summoned yourself. It's one of the ways you can regain your body. You can also invade other player's games in order to kill them, and vice versa.

You also see other players who are playing at the same time as you fade in an out as ghosts, so you see what they're doing, which is pretty damn cool.



Thanks.

I was able to find a video that would play through my work's filter. The whole note dropping thing seems really interesting, even if the multiplayer isn't more traditional.

I think I am sold on it.

[Vigil80]

Is there a limit to the number of notes you can leave? Or was it a glitch when the "leave message" option stopped showing up for me?

[Tayaya]

Alright bitches. Thanks to a very generous co-worker that doesn't want to fight Demons on his own, I have a copy of the US version, and am building a Character now. Go ahead and send those friend requests to DenshaOtaku, and I will do all I can to help everyone as long as we're within that level window needed (within 10 levels below level 75, within 5 beyond that if I remember right).

[Stoke]

Picked up the game earlier today and I'm loving it so far. Made a stupid mistake and lost 6K souls so I put it down for a while. One thing though, how are you guys identifying the levels? I see you talking about 1-1, 3-2 and such but all I can see is the name of the level. Where do I find what level/level section corresponds to these numbers?

[Zecon]

Picked up the game earlier today and I'm loving it so far. Made a stupid mistake and lost 6K souls so I put it down for a while. One thing though, how are you guys identifying the levels? I see you talking about 1-1, 3-2 and such but all I can see is the name of the level. Where do I find what level/level section corresponds to these numbers?

the order runs counter clockwise of the stones. the first one is on the bottom, to your left, and the last one is on the bottom, to the right. Every time you beat a boss, a stone is unlocked and you are then able to go back to the hub. this splits the levels up into subsections.

[Xydarc]

On the other hand, if this game is really really really really worth $60 then I might be able to forgo filling up my car for another week and get it at Gamestop. As an ATLUS-published title I fear it will have disappeared entirely by the time my next paycheck arrives. What says the community?
You have been reading this thread, right?

[Xydarc]

Is there a limit to the number of notes you can leave? Or was it a glitch when the "leave message" option stopped showing up for me?
Are you still connected to PSN? If not, then you will be unable to leave messages.

[Stoke]

the order runs counter clockwise of the stones. the first one is on the bottom, to your left, and the last one is on the bottom, to the right. Every time you beat a boss, a stone is unlocked and you are then able to go back to the hub. this splits the levels up into subsections.

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

[MalReynolds]

this game is brutal

[Tayaya]

Picked up the game earlier today and I'm loving it so far. Made a stupid mistake and lost 6K souls so I put it down for a while. One thing though, how are you guys identifying the levels? I see you talking about 1-1, 3-2 and such but all I can see is the name of the level. Where do I find what level/level section corresponds to these numbers?

Better to learn what it's like to lose souls when you lose 6000, and not 60,000 (yes, it'll happen!)...

As for the level divisions - after each boss, you will spawn a new Archstone, which warps you back to the Nexus. These make up the different "sections" of each level. 1-1 is the are from the start of Boletaria Castle to the Phalanx boss. 1-2 is from Phalanx Archstone to Tower Knight, and so on. It'll make sense when you get a boss or two down.

Someone explained which levels are which as best as I could. 1-2-3 going up from the left, 5-4 going up on the right staircase.


Anyone else have any questions?

[maharahaj]

Reloading would take a lot of the purpose out of the game. It actually encourages you to find the last spot you died for example to get your lost souls back, when you reach it you basically will have 2 times the souls because you did verything twice as well. Even if you die you do keep your gained items. You can't save during missions anyway, you always start at the beginning or hub.

It really is a game where your decisions stay with you and make your character the way it is (in a stat/weapon way). It's one if the few games I know I actually think a multiple save system would destroy much of what makes the game good. It would remove a lot of tension and the idea of reincarnating/dying/ etc would be a bit lost by it.

It's just not a game where it would benefit in a good way.

Really? Having consequences for your actions so you really need to think before you act makes it a rental?

Well, for me I see it this way and I may have typed this stuff out in a previous posts weeks ago. Some of the gameplay mechanics sound awesome to me, like:
-Being able to spend souls as experience or money..you choose!
-Co-oping with friends
-The gameplay, from what I have seen, reminds me of Blade of Darkness, an awesome PC game from years ago.
-Being able to choose what areas you explore in what order
-Epic boss battles.
-Being able to "see" the previous action of other player to determine how they died so that you can do your best to avoid the same perdictament, which is a cool idea.

What doesn't appeal to me is what I have heard about the game's difficulty:
-When you die, you take on a spirit form that has half the amount of life.
-You can't re-gain mortal form without defeating a boss, killing some other player or using a rare item to rez.
-The fact that someone can steal you life.
-I have read that there are a lot of instant death traps/enemy attacks. That type of gameplay doesn't appeal to me anymore.
-The fact that you lose your soul collecting progress if you die and can't make it back to where you died.
-I have read that alot of people grind the game.

I'm at the point in my life that I don't really like grinding or having a tough time with games, despite the fact that this game does look awesome. That's why I don't play JRPGs anymore. I use to do "Hard" mode all the time, but now, its always easy or normal. I'd rather experience a game than feel frustrated by it. With a full time job and a new house purchase to maintain, its hard enough to sit down and enjoy a game anymore (I've been in a real gaming funk as of late). For me, when I leave the office, I just want to turn my brain off for the rest of the day and relax. The last thing I want to do is feel like playing a game is another form of work. Despite this game looking awesome, its supposed brutal difficulty and handicap upon death is not something I want to shell out a lot of money for.

I've been thinking of starting a gamefly account real soon, now that I have a new house and money is tight. I will probably give the game a rental at some point, considering a buddy of mine really wants to play it as well. But he has the same cautious concern about the death/spirit status as well. And this is a guy who loves brutal, punishing games. He's beaten Ninja Gaiden 1 multiple times on the hardest setting and NG2 multiple times on the second hardest setting. (When I say multiple, I mean 10+ times, each game).

[Camel]

Since I've been waiting for this game for months I decided I couldn't wait anymore to get it. I created a Wanderer, and was waaaaay too worried about parrying every attack that came my way. It got me killed a few times, and now I am thinking I might start over as a character with a ranged attack.

[Tayaya]

What doesn't appeal to me is what I have heard about the game's difficulty:
-When you die, you take on a spirit form that has half the amount of life.
-You can't re-gain mortal form without defeating a boss, killing some other player or using a rare item to rez.
-The fact that someone can steal you life.
-I have read that there are a lot of instant death traps/enemy attacks. That type of gameplay doesn't appeal to me anymore.
-The fact that you lose your soul collecting progress if you die and can't make it back to where you died.
-I have read that alot of people grind the game.


-3/4 actually - you get a ring in the very first area that boosts your life to 75% instead of 50% while in soul form. THis isn't as bad as you think it is, though, there are advantages to being in Soul Form, like better stealth, protection from having your game broken into, less aggression from some of the bosses, the ability to be summoned into another player's game if you drop your Blue Soul Stone.

- Regaining mortal form isn't a necessity at all, but it's easier than you think. Ephemeral eye stones aren't super-rare, you'll get about 20 of them throughout the game. If you don't want to use one, stand by a boss area that you know isn't that tough and help someone beat it. You seem to be thinking of death as a huge disadvantage when in reality it's not, and in some ways is actually advantageous in this game. I know how you feel though, as it did make me almost afraid to play this game too, reading some of the import reviews. I can tell you without question though, that what's traditional in your mind is not the case here.

- Yes, other players can invade your game. In my multiple trips through the import version I've only had it happen once, and it was awesome. My pulse quickened, my senses heightened, and I felt like an animal being hunted. When I finally found the guy, the battle was longer than most of the boss battles in the game... it was intense, he was out for blood and I knew it. I lost eventually, but the joke was on him... I had 0 souls on me as I'd just entered into the level.

- There aren't too many things in the game that will kill you instantly. The dragon in the first level will because you're so weak at that point, but is easy to avoid (at least, once you know he's coming). Most of the instant deaths will come from you being clumsy and not watching your footing, as there are many cliffs, ledges, pitfalls, etc. On your first run through the game things are relatively tame. On subsequent runs, yes, the enemies get more powerful, but so are you, and by then you are well versed in the world of Demon's Souls, so you are much better equipped, physically and mentally, to defend yourself.

- Yes, you lose souls when you die, but you cannot level down in stats or lose any of your items. Essentially, you lose your bag of money. It's not as crippling as it sounds in the Eurogamer review. It can suck a lot depending on how many you lose, but you will only fail to retrieve them maybe 10% of the time, and it's usually because you get sloppy as you rush to get them back out of fear of losing them. The game messes with your head like that.

- Finally, you can grind the game if you want to, but it's really not necessary at all. The first time through I did grind the first level over and over again to "get stronger" and pay for lots of weapon upgrades. I thought the game had a terrible, terrible grind because of it. Turns out I just sucked at the game... tonight I blew through the first two bosses without even dying, and without ever returning to the Nexus to boost stats until after i beat the first boss. I still need to go back and kill the Red Dragon, which I didn't have the arrows for while moseying through the level (takes about 200 if you didn't upgrade your bow first, which I have now, to +3), but the point is that I mowed down two bosses with the base or near-base character. Grinding is one way to make your life easier, but it's by no means necessary. The game is 100% skill based when you want it to be. The ability to kill the boss in the tutorial, who can one-shot you and who your weapons barely scratch, is a testament to that.

In short, just go buy the fucking thing! If you see a lot in the game you think you'd like, I guarantee you that you'll overlook any of its shortcomings. All of the things you are afraid of are things the designers of the game want you to be afraid of, but your interpretation of all of them is pretty off.

[Evil Avnovice]

Just trounced Phalanx this morning (thanks for the partial tip, Gorvi). After aquiring his soul, I noticed a new area beyond that led to a bridge with tons of soldiers. I made it as far as a pair of archers before another red dragon shows up. I got fried crossing that part of the bridge.

I find that at the lookout tower there, there's a passage that leads underground to the other side; an enemy here and there, it's dark, no big deal. Then there's this blur about 3-4 wolves come out of nowhere. Before they take my life, I turn tail and get the hell out of there. I get back out and the red dragon shows up, patrolling the area. I can't stop since one of the wolves followed me on the way back: I get fried again crossing back.

When I get back from work tonight, I'll resume from where I need to make my way to the Monument over at the Nexus.

[Tayaya]

Just trounced Phalanx this morning (thanks for the partial tip, Gorvi). After aquiring his soul, I noticed a new area beyond that led to a bridge with tons of soldiers. I made it as far as a pair of archers before another red dragon shows up. I got fried crossing that part of the bridge.

I find that at the lookout tower there, there's a passage that leads underground to the other side; an enemy here and there, it's dark, no big deal. Then there's this blur about 3-4 wolves come out of nowhere. Before they take my life, I turn tail and get the hell out of there. I get back out and the red dragon shows up, patrolling the area. I can't stop since one of the wolves followed me on the way back: I get fried again crossing back.

When I get back from work tonight, I'll resume from where I need to make my way to the Monument over at the Nexus.

The dragon - it's the same one, not another one. Kill him here and you can go back to where he was roosting in 1-1 and grab yourself some goodies (like the Purple Flame Shield). He does kinda fuck you in 1-2 though, as he totally commands the bridge... it's very tough to get back to the Archstone in Phalanx's room without getting fried. If you have some magical ability you can put on Water Veil and survive one blast (barely). It's in your best interest to get a bunch of arrows (about 200) and a good bow (not crossbow), and pick him off from the first guard tower. He doesn't respawn since he's considered a mini boss. I can help you with him if you need me to, I've killed him many times. It's not difficult at all, just boring! Once he's dead, you can travel the top of the bridge as much as you want.

For the wolves, using your Mail Breaker or a spear would be best. The Winged Spear is one of your best assets as soon as you can wield it. Spears have the nice ability to be able to be used while defending with your shield, and since they are thrusting weapons the tight hallway won't pose a problem for ya either.

[Mortis]

Well I just got robbed in the nexus, jumped down from the monumental to take shortcut and landed on top of the blacksmith...no bloodstain. My entire first batch of souls lost. Now I have to farm before I can lvl anything.

[Xydarc]

Well I just got robbed in the nexus, jumped down from the monumental to take shortcut and landed on top of the blacksmith...no bloodstain. My entire first batch of souls lost. Now I have to farm before I can lvl anything.
Why did you jump? If you explore that area around the Monumental, you'll find a couple goodies and the Pantheon. Some player already has 17 trophies.:eek:

[Mortis]

Why did you jump? If you explore that area around the Monumental, you'll find a couple goodies and the Pantheon. Some player already has 17 trophies.:eek:

I got the loot in the area. There is a ledge right below and it's quicker to hop down than take the stairs, missed the ledge on that jump though.

[Xydarc]

I took down Phalanx and the Red Dragon tonight. Phalanx is simple enough with Turpentine and Flamebombs (or whatever they're called). The flame-sword guys drop Turpentine, so I farmed a few before taking on Phalanx. Hoplites, the black gobs of goo with spears, are easily handled with Turpentine on your weapon, plus they drop the sharpstones needed to upgrade your equipment.

To get past the Red Dragon the first time through, unequip your armor, and then start sprinting when he starts his strafe run, you should be able to make it without getting injured. Clear out the first tower, this is where you'll take out the dragon. If you go downstairs, there is a tunnel below the bridge, go right. I was able to handle the dogs with my shield and axe, although I did have to use a few grasses. This tunnel is a deadend, but there is a merchant at the end of it. Also, there are stairs leading up to the 2nd tower. Clear out the tower, and at the top of it is a Compound Bow. I ran back to the Phalanx archstone, leveled up some stats, upgraded my axe to +2 and the Compound Bow to +1, and bought 300 arrows. I then sprinted to tower one again, cleared it out, and stood at the top to snipe the dragon. It took about 85 arrows, but YMMV depending on your bow and stats. Taking down the dragon was boring but satisfying. I ran back to the roost in 1-1 and grabbed the Purple Flame Shield, even though my STR isn't high enough for it yet. I worked my way to the fog before the Tower Knight. He'll go down tomorrow.:cool:

I love this game.:D

Edit: I forgot to mention, don't go left in the tunnel below the bridge being strafed. If you do, you'll activate an escort mission. You'll have to do this mission every run-through of this area unless you beat the Tower Knight first. And if the dude (I forget his name) being escorted is killed, he's perma-dead, and no Mausoleum Key for you. So kill TK first, then go to where the dude abides.

[Xydarc]

I got the loot in the area. There is a ledge right below and it's quicker to hop down than take the stairs, missed the ledge on that jump though.
Sounds like the cost of that shortcut is pretty high if you miss.;)

[Mortis]

Sounds like the cost of that shortcut is pretty high if you miss.;)

Indeed. It's not that big of a deal at this point in the game, lost about an hour maybe, killing the first boss and not being able to lvl anything sucks though.

[Xydarc]

Indeed. It's not that big of a deal at this point in the game, lost about an hour maybe, killing the first boss and not being able to lvl anything sucks though.
Did you have any Unknown Soldier/Hero Souls? I don't "use" those until I'm in the Nexus and either at the Blacksmith or Maiden in Black. They really help.

[Tayaya]

Indeed. It's not that big of a deal at this point in the game, lost about an hour maybe, killing the first boss and not being able to lvl anything sucks though.

Just go back into 1-1, up the left tower, and to the area where the red eyed knight is. If you circle him and keep your guard up you can beat him. Remeber to strike when he tries to heal. He is worth about 2000 souls and will save you time in getting your soul count back up. And if he kills you at this point it's no big deal since you lost all your souls already! :D

I will be on tomorrow afternoon/evening to help everyone with Tower Knight and Armor Spider.

[Gwinny]

My will turned out to have less staying power than, say, butter on the surface of the sun and I bought it. I haven't delved in properly, yet - went through the tutorials and got utterly stomped on by Vanguard. Vandread? Whatever it was. Not my proudest moment. Now I'm in one of the worlds and I'm touching all of the bloodstains - they're mostly people falling to their deaths. Too funny.

[Banacek]

I'm so glad I got a PS3 for this game.

[menage]

Edit: I forgot to mention, don't go left in the tunnel below the bridge being strafed. If you do, you'll activate an escort mission. You'll have to do this mission every run-through of this area unless you beat the Tower Knight first. And if the dude (I forget his name) being escorted is killed, he's perma-dead, and no Mausoleum Key for you. So kill TK first, then go to where the dude abides.

You mean the golden knight dude (Ostrava or something). I just left him hanging there. He can fend for himself well enough and most of the time he won't even get into a fight at all. Still, better to be safe than sorry I guess.

[Kelegacy]

I'm so glad I got a PS3 for this game.

My lady said once again today to just buy the PS3 on our CC and we'll pay it off with our next paycheck. I need this game. Really really bad.

It's very rare when I truly NEED a game. The last time it was Oblivion. Before that, Mario 64, I think. Bought a system for both. And before the first Tomb Raider came out, I was staring at magazine pictures for it all the time. Same with Mario 64--I couldn't wait to play it.

I've been gaming for a long time, and am a bit jaded because of it. But I'm glad there are still times when a game comes along every few years or so that makes me giddy as hell.

[maharahaj]

In short, just go buy the fucking thing! If you see a lot in the game you think you'd like, I guarantee you that you'll overlook any of its shortcomings. All of the things you are afraid of are things the designers of the game want you to be afraid of, but your interpretation of all of them is pretty off.

Your lengthy response correcting my mis-understandings of the play mechanics plus the two gameplay videos I saw over in the Weekly Release thread have cemented my decision to at least rent the game in the near future. Buying is not an option at this point as I'm living paycheck to paycheck with my new home mortgage w/ no spare money to use.

Thanks for the informative response. Much appreciated :)

[Gorvi]

Edit: I forgot to mention, don't go left in the tunnel below the bridge being strafed. If you do, you'll activate an escort mission. You'll have to do this mission every run-through of this area unless you beat the Tower Knight first. And if the dude (I forget his name) being escorted is killed, he's perma-dead, and no Mausoleum Key for you. So kill TK first, then go to where the dude abides.
Strange, I went that way last night and didn't come across an NPC, I just got to an iron gate that I couldn't open. I need to go back there tonight, I gave up on the bridge and went to the mining area, but I really need to work on my melee skills before progressing. I've been pouring all my souls into Magic and Intelligence upgrades, leaving my physical skills severely lacking. I also could really use some new armor.......

[Spigot]

I picked a Magician. I'm stupid. Sigh.

Other than that, I really like what little I've played of the game. I took today off for the express purpose of sinking several hours into it. Can't wait... to get my body back.

[Tayaya]

Your lengthy response correcting my mis-understandings of the play mechanics plus the two gameplay videos I saw over in the Weekly Release thread have cemented my decision to at least rent the game in the near future. Buying is not an option at this point as I'm living paycheck to paycheck with my new home mortgage w/ no spare money to use.

Thanks for the informative response. Much appreciated :)

Heh... I'm just glad you didn't take any of my posting as my being condescending in any way... I was a little worried you would for some reason.

I was just trying to help dispel some of the fears you may have that the game is impossibly difficult, unforgiving, and just downright cheap when it comes to killing you. The Eurogamer review in particular paints the game as heinously difficult and torturous, but in some ways manages to really make one excited about the game as well.

It's difficult, there's no doubt about that, but it's definitely not exceptionally cruel in any way. I had exactly the same fears about the whole dying thing before I bought the game, so I know where you're coming from. But, like I said, being dead in the game is perfectly normal, and the lack of HP doesn't really come into play too much. If something's strong enough to one-shot you at 3/4 health, it's probably strong enough to one-shot you at full HP. The only things that come to mind that can do that are a couple of the bosses, and those damned "fat ministers" that shoot fire at you. Those guys suck, but they have very predictable behavior and after you get a couple of soul levels put into your vitality and endurance, they won't kill you as easily as that first time.

Also, if anyone wants to play the game on the cheap and isn't as concerned about playing it with fellow CoG members, I do have the Korean version and am willing to part with it for, say $30 plus shipping. PM me about it if interested.

[Tayaya]

I picked a Magician. I'm stupid. Sigh.

Other than that, I really like what little I've played of the game. I took today off for the express purpose of sinking several hours into it. Can't wait... to get my body back.

Don't worry. You can re-class your character simply buy pouring souls into the other stats and changing your clothes and weapon. The starting class only determines your base stats (edit: And Equipment), and nothing else. It's possible, regardless of starting class, to bring every stat to 99, which would put everyone on even ground. Swap out your cloth for the soldier's armor that the merchant in world 1-1 and 1-2 sells, pick up a sword, and bam, you're a soldier.

The Fluted armor that the knight starts with is probably the best base armor in the game. Some of the special armor is much better, of course.

You do get a leg up by starting with some decent spells, which are indeed very important to some play styles. Enchant/Magic Weapon will make 2-1 a snap, as it's super effective against the lizard men crawling all over that area.

[Spigot]

Don't worry. You can re-class your character simply buy pouring souls into the other stats and changing your clothes and weapon. The starting class only determines your base stats (edit: And Equipment), and nothing else. It's possible, regardless of starting class, to bring every stat to 99, which would put everyone on even ground. Swap out your cloth for the soldier's armor that the merchant in world 1-1 and 1-2 sells, pick up a sword, and bam, you're a soldier.

The Fluted armor that the knight starts with is probably the best base armor in the game. Some of the special armor is much better, of course.

You do get a leg up by starting with some decent spells, which are indeed very important to some play styles. Enchant/Magic Weapon will make 2-1 a snap, as it's super effective against the lizard men crawling all over that area.Oh, I'm not going to change classes, at least not intentionally. I'm just a sucker for starting these incredibly nasty games with one of the weakest initial character classes and then I wonder why I'm getting my ass handed to me. I'll slog through and eventually become Gandalf and everyone will bow down to me... I hope.

[Banacek]

You mean the golden knight dude (Ostrava or something). I just left him hanging there. He can fend for himself well enough and most of the time he won't even get into a fight at all. Still, better to be safe than sorry I guess.

Yeah, now I'm worried. I went through the area on the bottom floor with him and we cleared out all the enemies, he gave me a telescope, and now he's just walking around (or he was when I went up and ran across the bridge). I hope I didn't do something wrong.

My lady said once again today to just buy the PS3 on our CC and we'll pay it off with our next paycheck. I need this game. Really really bad.

It's very rare when I truly NEED a game. The last time it was Oblivion. Before that, Mario 64, I think. Bought a system for both. And before the first Tomb Raider came out, I was staring at magazine pictures for it all the time. Same with Mario 64--I couldn't wait to play it.

I've been gaming for a long time, and am a bit jaded because of it. But I'm glad there are still times when a game comes along every few years or so that makes me giddy as hell.

I've been sitting at work daydreaming about getting home and playing this game. It's been a while since I had a game to that, and it's a good feeling. Most games I play now just feel like chores, like I have to play it. This game, not so much :)

[Gorvi]

Yeah, now I'm worried. I went through the area on the bottom floor with him and we cleared out all the enemies, he gave me a telescope, and now he's just walking around (or he was when I went up and ran across the bridge). I hope I didn't do something wrong.
Oh, crap, I did do that. Did I (we) screw something up?

[Tayaya]

Oh, crap, I did do that. Did I (we) screw something up?

Go back through 1-1 and 1-2 - if you see him walking around somewhere you're probably still fine and he'll give you the key later on. If you end up finding his dead body with a Mausoleum Key on it, he's a goner. Killing him yourself nets you the key early on, and some black tendency and the need to fight him as a Black Phantom later in the game, at which time he's an absolute fucker (but not immune to loads of arrows, hehehe). Either way, you'll get into the Mausoleum at some point in the game (the locked room by the red-eyes knight in 1-1), so it's not too much to sweat right now. I've never seen him accidentally die or killed him in any of my playthroughs, but there have been times he has just up and vanished on me after freeing him.

It's very weird that you didn't see him in 1-2 (go to the left wall in the first room of 1-2 and down the ramp... he should tell you he's trapped and in need of your help once more.

Don't worry about it for now... if he's alive you'll see him again in 1-4. If not, you can always do his little story on your next playthrough.

[Gorvi]

Go back through 1-1 and 1-2 - if you see him walking around somewhere you're probably still fine and he'll give you the key later on. If you end up finding his dead body with a Mausoleum Key on it, he's a goner. Killing him yourself nets you the key early on, and some black tendency and the need to fight him as a Black Phantom later in the game, at which time he's an absolute fucker (but not immune to loads of arrows, hehehe). Either way, you'll get into the Mausoleum at some point in the game (the locked room by the red-eyes knight in 1-1), so it's not too much to sweat right now. I've never seen him accidentally die or killed him in any of my playthroughs, but there have been times he has just up and vanished on me after freeing him.

It's very weird that you didn't see him in 1-2 (go to the left wall in the first room of 1-2 and down the ramp... he should tell you he's trapped and in need of your help once more.

Don't worry about it for now... if he's alive you'll see him again in 1-4. If not, you can always do his little story on your next playthrough.
Well, I was damn tired, so I don't recall exactly, but I did get the telescope from some guy. Was there something that should have been done after that?

[Vigil80]

It's fun, and I really like the combat system, but I don't think I'll be keeping it (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=12741). The gameplay scratches that Diablo itch, but the system comes short of true multiplayer. Without it, the game just isn't deep enough for me to slog through it for hours on end.

[Spigot]

God damned red-eye knight. Why didn't someone tell me he'd rape my corpse?

[Banacek]

Go back through 1-1 and 1-2 - if you see him walking around somewhere you're probably still fine and he'll give you the key later on. If you end up finding his dead body with a Mausoleum Key on it, he's a goner. Killing him yourself nets you the key early on, and some black tendency and the need to fight him as a Black Phantom later in the game, at which time he's an absolute fucker (but not immune to loads of arrows, hehehe). Either way, you'll get into the Mausoleum at some point in the game (the locked room by the red-eyes knight in 1-1), so it's not too much to sweat right now. I've never seen him accidentally die or killed him in any of my playthroughs, but there have been times he has just up and vanished on me after freeing him.

It's very weird that you didn't see him in 1-2 (go to the left wall in the first room of 1-2 and down the ramp... he should tell you he's trapped and in need of your help once more.

Don't worry about it for now... if he's alive you'll see him again in 1-4. If not, you can always do his little story on your next playthrough.

Ok, I'll have to check tonight. I was going to try to farm some upgrade shards, do you think that's necessary?

[Mortis]

God damned red-eye knight. Why didn't someone tell me he'd rape my corpse?

Yeah, I tried to take him out based on the suggestion earlier to recover the lost souls from my suicide leap. I was doing pretty good for a minute...then he hit me once and I died. :( I get 500 or so clearing up to him and that doesn't take long, I'll probably just farm that until I get a few stat upgrades then try him again.

Can I expect a ring or some loot that will give +str or stats in general? I have a badass looking axe but I need 20 str to use it, only have 11 right now.

[Banacek]

God damned red-eye knight. Why didn't someone tell me he'd rape my corpse?

I survived the Dragon easier then that damn knight. I need to figure out what to do against him.

[Grifter]

I've only had time to play through the tutorial but so far so good. It's too bad the character models are so damn awful, I think this game wins the award for worst character creator and beats out Oblivion for ugliest faces.

[Tayaya]

Well, I was damn tired, so I don't recall exactly, but I did get the telescope from some guy. Was there something that should have been done after that?

The guy that handed you the useless scope is Ostrava, the guy we're all talking about. After you save his bacon he'll just start wandering around the level. He will fight with things that he comes across and he CAN be killed, but he is usually able to defend himself. As long as you're killing everything you run across anyway, like a good little magician, I don't see why he would've perished. After you beat Phalanx, you should run across him again in the first room you enter (the one with the leftover slimes in it, the dead horses, etc) if you go to the little area on the far left side of the room. If you didn't go back to the Nexus, though, he may not have mode his way there automatically yet. If you go to the left once you enter the first guard tower, you can free him after killing a buttload of bow-users. He'll thank you and give you some super good healing items that you should save for later.

If he dies anywhere along the way, you should find his body and pick up a key off of it. If you haven't run across that yet, he may be OK. I've never seen him glitch out of existence or anything.

Spiggy: The red eyes knight will rape your corpse! They have very high DEF and a strong kill-you ability. Be careful around them, but know that you can indeed kill them. Circling them counterclockwise usually works very well - keep your shield up and wait for them to try and shield bash you. When they miss, get in one strong attack (R2) or try for a backstab (R1, remember to lower your shield) if you're feeling dangerous. Don't get greedy, just take your one hit and get that shield up again, and keep circling. If your stamina gets low, back off and drop shield to get that green bar full quickly, but know that he'll be charging you as soon as you do. Once you get him to about half HP he'll want to heal up, so stay close and watch for him to reach into his pocket for an herb, hit him with an R2 attack when he does this, and if you do it fast enough, he'll not get any health back and will in fact lose some. Worst case, it'll balance out and he'll gain/lose 0. You can do it, and should use him for practice as there will be some times later on in the game that these guys become very common enemies (and will chase you in groups of 2 or 3). You can usually lure them into traps or off of cliffs if you back away from them and stay very close to the edge yourself, but this is risky unless you are very confident you know exactly what terrain is behind you.

[Tayaya]

Ok, I'll have to check tonight. I was going to try to farm some upgrade shards, do you think that's necessary?

You can farm slimes at the start of 1-2 for your basic sharpstone and hardstone, or buy it from the merchant at the start of 2-1 for 500 a shard. I just buy it usually. The guys in 2-1 that have the ore sacks give you a TON, but don't respawn their loot on subsequent trips through the level.

[Tayaya]

Can I expect a ring or some loot that will give +str or stats in general? I have a badass looking axe but I need 20 str to use it, only have 11 right now.

You'll just have to buy 9 more levels of STR with souls. You'll get rings that allow you to carry more loot but nothing to increase your base stats.

For those that are having problems with that red-eyed prick breaking their stamina quickly, try upgrading your shield to a +2 or +3 - the upgrades will increase its physical defense and reduce the amount of stamina you lose when smacked.

Also, remember to keep that Cling Ring equipped at all times! Many people pass over it (you get it right after you pull your first in-game lever and open the tower in 1-1, but it's vital to keeping you alive early on.

[Spigot]

I'm so lost in 1-1. The walkthrough in the strategy guide doesn't help...

I did find a merchant and he was kind enough to sell me a helmet. I can appreciate the hook of this game. It's a combination of rote memorization of enemy placement and trying to balance the need to progress vs. the near certainty that you're going somewhere you won't survive.

I'm going to slog around for a bit longer but if I don't make any progress soon I'm going to wait until it's dark and I can see the TV better. The day I decide to take time off work to play the game is the first day in about 2 weeks that we've actually had any sun and of course, it's shining right on the TV!

[Kelegacy]

I'm so lost in 1-1. The walkthrough in the strategy guide doesn't help...

I did find a merchant and he was kind enough to sell me a helmet. I can appreciate the hook of this game. It's a combination of rote memorization of enemy placement and trying to balance the need to progress vs. the near certainty that you're going somewhere you won't survive.

I'm going to slog around for a bit longer but if I don't make any progress soon I'm going to wait until it's dark and I can see the TV better. The day I decide to take time off work to play the game is the first day in about 2 weeks that we've actually had any sun and of course, it's shining right on the TV!

Pull the shades? Put blankets up over the windows if you need to. :)

[Gorvi]

I'm so lost in 1-1. The walkthrough in the strategy guide doesn't help...

I did find a merchant and he was kind enough to sell me a helmet. I can appreciate the hook of this game. It's a combination of rote memorization of enemy placement and trying to balance the need to progress vs. the near certainty that you're going somewhere you won't survive.

I'm going to slog around for a bit longer but if I don't make any progress soon I'm going to wait until it's dark and I can see the TV better. The day I decide to take time off work to play the game is the first day in about 2 weeks that we've actually had any sun and of course, it's shining right on the TV!

Ok, I know where you are. You need to go up some exposed stairs, three levels I think, and around a bend. You'll come to a walkway with the castle wall on one side and a dragon sleeping in the distance to the other. Defeat the enemies there, which will bring you to a hall with two more enemies. Kill them, then go up the stairs in front of you. You can go down the hall to the left, I think there's a few items you can get, but you can't go much further as that leads to the sleeping dragon you saw before. Once you go up those stairs you'll come to a long bridge with a bunch of soldiers on it. One of the two dragons will come and scorch the bridge, killing most of the soldiers in the process. Watch the patter the dragon comes in, and you can time it right so that you can sprint across the bridge and make it to the other side. You'll probably have to sprint past a couple of archers, but you can come back and kill them, just dodge the arrows. Past that is a passageway that will lead to the second tower that has a switch in it that will open the large gate that you see at the beginning of the area.

I hope that makes sense. :)

[rein]

Pull the shades? Put blankets up over the windows if you need to. :)Or do it like the crackheads and tape aluminum foil to them. :)

This game is pretty cool but I feel lost. I've run through part of 1-1 (I guess) with a thief but arrows are in short supply at the beginning. I saw someone talking about a magic bolt for the thief. Am I missing it or just not to it yet? The thief is awesome when you get a backstab or riposte in but I have to work on my timing a bit. I'm going to play around with a couple of other starter classes to get a feel for what I like.

[Tayaya]

I'm so lost in 1-1. The walkthrough in the strategy guide doesn't help...

I did find a merchant and he was kind enough to sell me a helmet. I can appreciate the hook of this game. It's a combination of rote memorization of enemy placement and trying to balance the need to progress vs. the near certainty that you're going somewhere you won't survive.

I'm going to slog around for a bit longer but if I don't make any progress soon I'm going to wait until it's dark and I can see the TV better. The day I decide to take time off work to play the game is the first day in about 2 weeks that we've actually had any sun and of course, it's shining right on the TV!

1-1 walkthrough, spoilers ahead, blah blah blah -

The levels are usually fairly linear but do have a few dead ends or in the case of the castle a couple of looping routes. If you go back to the merchant, exit his little tower and go right - you should see a bunch of sacffolding with some archers on it. Go up that and face the Blue-eyes knight at the top of the stairs (careful not to fall!). Go to the right from where the blue eyes knight was standing, and you'll be on the outer wall of the castle. Spring the trap directly in front of you (hit it with your sword from the side) and the balls will roll down the ramp and kill everyone. Walk down that ramp, and turn right at the dead end. Face off with the to spear carriers and you should come across a bridge loaded with guys at the top of the stairs. Start fighting them, but keeep your eyes forward as the dragon will start to strafe that structure and BBQ everyone on it. Once he's cleared you a path, you'll need to sprint all the way across the bridge. Read below.

Before you make your sprint, head back down the small staircase and there's a big chamber off to your right - if you go through that you can see where the dragon nests. Run that way, and wait for the dragon to fly in from the right, and start to land. Turn tail and hold O to dash through the large chamber - release O while turning left towards the bridge - then as soon as your green bar is full hold O again and run like hell. Those extra few seconds it takes Big Red to land and take off again will save your butt!

From there it should be pretty linear - pull the lever which opens up Phalanx, and have fun!

I'll be home after 4PM CST and will make myself available all evening if I can to help you guys. We can chat over LIVE if needed, as that can make life easier.

[Gorvi]

That's what I was trying to say. :p

[Spigot]

Heh. I ended up figuring it out myself. Once I realized that you can open doors and that they STAY open, it made exploring much nicer. Plus I got some better armour and haven't been dying as often, so it's all good.

Seeing those dragons in the distance... yeep! I think I'm about to take on a boss, so wish me luck.

[Gorvi]

Heh. I ended up figuring it out myself. Once I realized that you can open doors and that they STAY open, it made exploring much nicer. Plus I got some better armour and haven't been dying as often, so it's all good.

Seeing those dragons in the distance... yeep! I think I'm about to take on a boss, so wish me luck.
Bring firebombs! :D

[Tayaya]

Bring firebombs! :D

Or turpentine!

[menage]

The day I decide to take time off work to play the game is the first day in about 2 weeks that we've actually had any sun and of course, it's shining right on the TV!

Dude, i always have that as well. Blast this good weather:D

[Evil Avnovice]

The dragon - it's the same one, not another one. Kill him here and you can go back to where he was roosting in 1-1 and grab yourself some goodies (like the Purple Flame Shield). He does kinda fuck you in 1-2 though, as he totally commands the bridge... it's very tough to get back to the Archstone in Phalanx's room without getting fried. If you have some magical ability you can put on Water Veil and survive one blast (barely). It's in your best interest to get a bunch of arrows (about 200) and a good bow (not crossbow), and pick him off from the first guard tower. He doesn't respawn since he's considered a mini boss. I can help you with him if you need me to, I've killed him many times. It's not difficult at all, just boring! Once he's dead, you can travel the top of the bridge as much as you want.

For the wolves, using your Mail Breaker or a spear would be best. The Winged Spear is one of your best assets as soon as you can wield it. Spears have the nice ability to be able to be used while defending with your shield, and since they are thrusting weapons the tight hallway won't pose a problem for ya either.

Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer not to receive any advice or tips. I'd like to enjoy this game without any help or assistance. :)

[Spigot]

Bring firebombs! :D

Or turpentine!Turpentine did the trick. Woo! And now the game truly begins. Does it matter which order I do things from here on out or should I try to work my way up the staircase in order?

Dude, i always have that as well. Blast this good weather:DIsn't that the way it is? Sigh. At least it clouded over this afternoon.

Oh, one other stupid question before I get on with just loving the game for what it is. The different special souls you get (The unknown soldier, etc.)... Should I just use them to generate more souls for me or do they get used as items in things? I don't want to waste a special soul shard thingamie and then wish I didn't.

Are they the Nuka Cola Quantums of Demon's Souls?

[Banacek]

Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer not to receive any advice or tips. I'd like to enjoy this game without any help or assistance. :)

I like spoiler-free help, so I might stop reading this thread so much. That is, until I need help :D

[Evil Avnovice]

Picked up where I left off at Nexus. I found the monumental and managed to go the the Black Witch and pump up stats primarily among HP, Endurance and Strength.

I decided to go to Stonefang Tunnel. I actually had a pretty easy time, save for the enemies that cast fireballs at me. But since I've managed to upgrade my weapons a little more, my Spear does some moderate damage to them. I made it to a large elevator, and stopped at the bottom, since i saw something on the other side of the gate with red eyes. I think I'll blow my souls on upgrades first, then go back and check it out.

Aside: I also tried Island of Storms. I can parry and counter the skeletal warriors that roll at me, but they keep overpowering me, so I'll retreat and come back at another time. At least I managed to catch a glimpse at that GIGANTA-knight at one of the gates. :eek:

[Evil Avnovice]

Oh, one other stupid question before I get on with just loving the game for what it is. The different special souls you get (The unknown soldier, etc.)... Should I just use them to generate more souls for me or do they get used as items in things? I don't want to waste a special soul shard thingamie and then wish I didn't.

Are they the Nuka Cola Quantums of Demon's Souls?

Souls are the currency of Demon's Souls. You buy items, upgrade weapons/equipment, and repair your weapons/armor with them. Then, there are souls that you can either use them to stock up on additional souls, or forge items or spells with them.

[Gorvi]

I think the souls from the bosses can be turned into special weapons, but that's only a guess. It says in the description something about making them into something. The others are just items you use to get more souls.

[Evil Avnovice]

I think the souls from the bosses can be turned into special weapons, but that's only a guess. It says in the description something about making them into something. The others are just items you use to get more souls.

They can. I believe you told me that you've already defeated Phalanx at Boletarian Palace. The description when you look at the soul reads that you have the option of exchanging it for souls, or forge it into an item, piece of equipment or spell.

[Spigot]

Other stupid question: Can I sell any of my old gear? What is the point in keeping the crappy stuff with Sir Storesalot if I can't sell it and it's not useful?

[Tayaya]

As for the collectible souls, unknown hero/soldier, renowned hero, etc - save them for when you get back to the nexus and then pop them - they're free money and as long as they're in your inventory you can't lose them. Once you use them they add to the soul total at the lower right corner of your screen. Personally I save them and use only as many as I need to buy whatever it is I'm shopping for, but towards the end of the game I'll blow them all to buy a few more stats.

The Demon's Souls can be used to unlock higher level spells (Death Cloud is a must-have), new weapons (and the ability to make them), or can be consumed (used directly from inventory) for lots of souls.

I'll stop posting as much potential spoiler action here to keep the thread open for more people that don't want as much help, or start using spoiler tags liberally. Just trying to help everyone get on their feet and feel a bit less intimidated by the game. 30 more minutes til I get to come home!

Recommended level progression - 1-1, 1-2, then all of 2. The rest you can tackle as you see fit.

[Tayaya]

Other stupid question: Can I sell any of my old gear? What is the point in keeping the crappy stuff with Sir Storesalot if I can't sell it and it's not useful?

Nope. The one thing I hate about the game. Give it to Sir Storesalot!

[Evil Avnovice]

Other stupid question: Can I sell any of my old gear? What is the point in keeping the crappy stuff with Sir Storesalot if I can't sell it and it's not useful?

Get rid of it. I had some multiples of things I didn't need any only contributed to sometimes having to much to carry. I pawned it off to the guy over at Nexus, or I dropped it on the spot and went on my way.

[Kelegacy]

People that only listen to Edge reviews (Oldjadedgamer) are in luck. It got a 9/10. Hell, nearly every publication out there gave it a 9. One of the best reviewed games of the year.

I have a bunch of games to trade in at Gamestop tomorrow--they have the trade 4 get and extra $20. My games aren't worth anything (the crappy titles I collect) but I've found enough to get rid of to comfortably buy me Demon's Souls. I have $60 at Amazon right now to use towards a PS3 Slim...this means I won't have it right away, however...if I decide to bite the bullet.

This really screws up my budget for the fall. Borderlands and Dragon Age are coming out soon. Those are the only other 2 games I wanted (with the exception of Brutal Legend maybe), so I may have to wait on them. Grrr.

[rein]

Wow, I'm running through right now with a royal and while I miss the speed of the thief magic friggin owns. Especially since you're wearing a regen ring. I may try to level up the stats a bit (maybe a base of 12 to all) and start building from there on which direction I want to go.

[EWolfmanD]

I really lucked out with 1-1. Neither dragon was in my game, so I was able to just run around and loot the Purple Flame Shield and also the flame resistance ring. Then I was able to just walk across the bridge at my own pace, although I did have to kill all the enemies myself instead of the red dragon doing it for me.

The red dragon was in 1-2 though, but it didn't really matter. In body form and with the fire resistance ring equiped, I could survive being blasted, so I just ran out and looted everything on the bridge and then healed up after each dragon pass.

I managed to get to 22 Str after completing 1-2 so I could equip the Purple Flame Shield. I think I might work on upgrading some items since I haven't messed with that yet, and then maybe go back to 1-2 since I want to kill a dragon too and haven't used a bow yet. :p

[Banacek]

People that only listen to Edge reviews (Oldjadedgamer) are in luck. It got a 9/10. Hell, nearly every publication out there gave it a 9. One of the best reviewed games of the year.

I have a bunch of games to trade in at Gamestop tomorrow--they have the trade 4 get and extra $20. My games aren't worth anything (the crappy titles I collect) but I've found enough to get rid of to comfortably buy me Demon's Souls. I have $60 at Amazon right now to use towards a PS3 Slim...this means I won't have it right away, however...if I decide to bite the bullet.

This really screws up my budget for the fall. Borderlands and Dragon Age are coming out soon. Those are the only other 2 games I wanted (with the exception of Brutal Legend maybe), so I may have to wait on them. Grrr.

Also, Gamestop gives you an extra 25% if you put the trade ins towards certain future releases. So I put $5 dollars towards Dragons Age, and the rest towards Demon's Souls. Make sure they give you both that and the extra $20.

[Kelegacy]

Also, Gamestop gives you an extra 25% if you put the trade ins towards certain future releases. So I put $5 dollars towards Dragons Age, and the rest towards Demon's Souls. Make sure they give you both that and the extra $20.

They'll give me an extra 25% even if I only put $5 down on a preorder? That doesn't seem to make much sense. I though I had to put all the trade money towards it?

[Banacek]

They'll give me an extra 25% even if I only put $5 down on a preorder? That doesn't seem to make much sense. I though I had to put all the trade money towards it?

I didn't have to, I just needed to reserve the title. I pretty much reserved the title with the extra 25% they gave me :)

[Tayaya]

Well I did my good deeds for the day. Helped 2 people with tk and gave one guy a walkthrough of stonefang tunnel, all random strangers. Yay for all those S ratings.

I am up to soul level 23 now and getting ready for 2-2, the boss of which I hate.

I am enjoying this game as much as I ever have. So far not a thing has changed in the us version as far as I can tell (the even kept the name of the Sticky White Stuff!). I am noticing less framerate hitches and the dragon in 1-1 seems to be less aggressive or not there at all for some. The default drop rate seems a little high too, even with my luck at 8. All in all though everything else is as I remember it. It feels easier for me but I think a lot of that is just because it's my 4th time through. I am exploring the levels more though and running into things even I never encountered before.... Mostly black phantoms (the NPC kind). I got the black eye stone in 2-1.... Dare I use it and earn that black tendency?

[Ten19]

I think this game wins the award for worst character creator
You're joking, right? This game has more available options for customizing your appearance than I've seen in most MMO's... maybe you didn't click around in the details area at all?

[Grifter]

I just beat Phalanx, got a crap load of shards, upgraded my weapons, bought new armor then proceeded to get my ass handed to my by the red Knight... twice losing over 10K souls. Then I figure out you can upgrade your stats with the freaky blind lady, I'm not a happy gamer right now. I think I may start over, I chose the hunter but my arrows don't seem to hit shit, even when using the reticle. I'm pretty good at combat so maybe I'll go with the knight, I'd like to be able to use the bow but it seem to be more hassle than it's worth.

You're joking, right? This game has more available options for customizing your appearance than I've seen in most MMO's... maybe you didn't click around in the details area at all?

I went through it all quite thoroughly, I guess I just prefer quality over quantity.

[DangerousDaze]

Could I just say a big "fuck you" to whoever decided not to release this in Europe. That is all.

[Grifter]

Could I just say a big "fuck you" to whoever decided not to release this in Europe. That is all.

I think this is region free so you could probably just order it from Play Asia or some place similar.

[Gorvi]

Could I just say a big "fuck you" to whoever decided not to release this in Europe. That is all.
I think it's just more that nobody has picked it up for Europe at all. Your best bet is probably importing the US version at this point.

As for me, I took out the tower knight last night with some help from a friendly blue phantom, which was a lot of fun. Now I'm saved this morning a good way into 2-1, for those familiar with it I just killed my first flaming lizard (it dropped down a wall, I thought it was dead at first :p).

As far as the game being difficult, again, you just have to be smart. Aside from the end of the tutorial, I've died twice: once just to see what the big deal was with the red eye knight, and once because I was rushing and got hit with 2 firebombs at once. And that's it. Just be smart and you'll be ok.

[Spigot]

Gah. Wife was on the TV last night and I ended up falling asleep early. Grr. Now I can't play until next week after I get home from the in-laws.

And while the character creator is pretty detailed, the character models are pretty ugly and a lot of the sliders end up tweaking things in really strange ways.

[Kelegacy]

Send me your PS3 since you're going away. I'll mail it back in time for you to return.

Actually, in good news I might be able to splurge tomorrow on a PS3. Depends on if Gamestop gives me some good cash for my games. Also, ICO is up on eBay right now. It hurts to sell it, but oh well. Already at $40+.

Also have a ton of Gamecube games to sell. Luigi's Mansion is on eBay as well. :)

[Gorvi]

Ok, this feels like a dumb question, but why can't I aim the bow that I have? It says that I don't have enough skill for it or something, but looking at the stat descriptions I don't see one that would correspond with it.

[Kelegacy]

What is the estimated time (hours) for a playthrough? I know the time will be bloated for deaths and replaying levels, but have any reviews gave an estimate for game completion? Any of you importers have an idea?

[Tayaya]

Ok, this feels like a dumb question, but why can't I aim the bow that I have? It says that I don't have enough skill for it or something, but looking at the stat descriptions I don't see one that would correspond with it.

Check the STR and DEX requirements for the bow against those on your character info screen. You're probably short on one of those two values. What bow is it that you're trying to use?

[Gorvi]

Check the STR and DEX requirements for the bow against those on your character info screen. You're probably short on one of those two values. What bow is it that you're trying to use?
Ahh, ok, that makes sense. I'm not sure what bow it is, but I focused very heavily on magic and intelligence early on, and now I'm trying to make up for that, so that should be it. I'll throw my next few upgrades into DEX and STR and I should be ok. Thanks! :)

[Tayaya]

Ahh, ok, that makes sense. I'm not sure what bow it is, but I focused very heavily on magic and intelligence early on, and now I'm trying to make up for that, so that should be it. I'll throw my next few upgrades into DEX and STR and I should be ok. Thanks! :)

You're welcome. I forgot to mention how to check the reqs for the bow, but I'm guessing you figured that out already. Those goofy symbols...so cryptic!

[Tayaya]

What is the estimated time (hours) for a playthrough? I know the time will be bloated for deaths and replaying levels, but have any reviews gave an estimate for game completion? Any of you importers have an idea?

Definitely depends on how much wandering and exploring you do, and whether or not you replay levels for more souls or to help others in co-op (or hunt them down). I'd say 12-15 for one play through if you don't go off track very much or get stuck. Realistically 20-25 if you get into crafting better weapons, farming the appropriate materials, and making sure you scrub every corner of every level.

Speaking of.... no one's been to the Tower of Latria yet? I'm interested in seeing what other people think of that place. I remember it giving me the willies!

[rein]

Gah. Wife was on the TV last night and I ended up falling asleep early. Grr. Now I can't play until next week after I get home from the in-laws.

And while the character creator is pretty detailed, the character models are pretty ugly and a lot of the sliders end up tweaking things in really strange ways. That is what random is for. I just keep hitting random until I can live with the face, select hair, and done. But yes, they are ugly. Not as ugly as the avatars in Home but close. Have fun at the in-laws. :)

[Ten19]

And while the character creator is pretty detailed, the character models are pretty ugly and a lot of the sliders end up tweaking things in really strange ways.

I never said they were attractive ;) Just contesting the fact that it's the "worst character creator ever". It's also kind of moot because you don't see your character's face close up very much (at least so far in my playthrough).

[Uno Ill Nino]

So I got this last night and am having a blast. What a fantastic game. Yeah, it can be hard at times, but its so much fun. I've killed the Phalanx and had one failed attempt with the Tower Knight. Holy crap these bosses are so awesome. They're huge, intimidating as hell, and will slap you down quickly if you go in without a plan. I love it.

[Gorvi]

I'm actually pretty happy with the way my guy turned out. Sure, he won't make any woman swoon or anything, but at least he doesn't look like one of the freaks from Oblivion. :p

[Banacek]

As for me, I took out the tower knight last night with some help from a friendly blue phantom, which was a lot of fun. Now I'm saved this morning a good way into 2-1, for those familiar with it I just killed my first flaming lizard (it dropped down a wall, I thought it was dead at first :p).

As far as the game being difficult, again, you just have to be smart. Aside from the end of the tutorial, I've died twice: once just to see what the big deal was with the red eye knight, and once because I was rushing and got hit with 2 firebombs at once. And that's it. Just be smart and you'll be ok.

I wish I could say the same for me. Since I had no magic and no arrows, I tried going toe-to-toe with the Tower Knight. After 3 hours I stopped trying that and just went and got 50 arrows and beat him right away.

[Vigil80]

I'm actually pretty happy with the way my guy turned out. Sure, he won't make any woman swoon or anything, but at least he doesn't look like one of the freaks from Oblivion. :p
Mass Effect was the last game I tried to create a decent face from scratch. Now I just hit random over and over like I'm playing slots until a face I like comes up. :p

[Tayaya]

I wish I could say the same for me. Since I had no magic and no arrows, I tried going toe-to-toe with the Tower Knight. After 3 hours I stopped trying that and just went and got 50 arrows and beat him right away.

I remember all those times I fell victim to TK's shield smash... he can be a very frustrating boss at first. Once you learn his attacks and how he telegraphs them, though, he's a pushover.... or...well... a knock-over.

Be sure to clear out his archer support first!

If you want to go the melee route, always stay behind him, off to the left or right of whichever ankle you're attacking (the outside). Whenever you see him move, back away from him, as his shield's AOE will knock you over even when you're behind him. As soon as you get the big spray from one ankle, move to the other one. When both ankles are done he'll fall onto his back, and always his back, and ye he can kill you this way. What I do is run forward, so you shoot out from between his legs and can run around his tall self unobstructed. While he's down, attack his head. If you have Enchant Weapon, or Turpentine, use it before attacking him (before you even go for his feet). It multiplies damage against him quite significantly. If you've got one partner, you can kill him on the first knockdown.

[Spigot]

What is the estimated time (hours) for a playthrough? I know the time will be bloated for deaths and replaying levels, but have any reviews gave an estimate for game completion? Any of you importers have an idea?The manual (or the strategy guide) boasts about how awesome all of the New Game+ modes are, so I'm assuming it's long enough to be satisfying but not so long that you can't pay through it multiple times.

Speaking of.... no one's been to the Tower of Latria yet? I'm interested in seeing what other people think of that place. I remember it giving me the willies!I went there yesterday and ran down a hall and turned around and left.

I never said they were attractive ;) Just contesting the fact that it's the "worst character creator ever". It's also kind of moot because you don't see your character's face close up very much (at least so far in my playthrough).Get yourself a nice helmet and you'll never have to see his potato-shaped face again.

[Tayaya]

I went there yesterday and ran down a hall and turned around and left.


Heh. Before or after meeting one of the tower's inhabitants? I love the tower of Latria. Out of all the places you go it's the only one where the level itself fills you with that whole "I don't want to be here anymore" feeling.

[Banacek]

I remember all those times I fell victim to TK's shield smash... he can be a very frustrating boss at first. Once you learn his attacks and how he telegraphs them, though, he's a pushover.... or...well... a knock-over.

Be sure to clear out his archer support first!

If you want to go the melee route, always stay behind him, off to the left or right of whichever ankle you're attacking (the outside). Whenever you see him move, back away from him, as his shield's AOE will knock you over even when you're behind him. As soon as you get the big spray from one ankle, move to the other one. When both ankles are done he'll fall onto his back, and always his back, and ye he can kill you this way. What I do is run forward, so you shoot out from between his legs and can run around his tall self unobstructed. While he's down, attack his head. If you have Enchant Weapon, or Turpentine, use it before attacking him (before you even go for his feet). It multiplies damage against him quite significantly. If you've got one partner, you can kill him on the first knockdown.

I think my real problem was that my guy was weighted down. I just wasn't moving fast enough to get away from him. I took off all my armor, then I was more then fast enough, but then I had to be perfect, since one hit killed me. By that point I was so tired of crossing that bridge that I just went the cheap route. I'm assuming that I will be able to take him on again at some point, and I want to do it melee.

[Tayaya]

I think my real problem was that my guy was weighted down. I just wasn't moving fast enough to get away from him. I took off all my armor, then I was more then fast enough, but then I had to be perfect, since one hit killed me. By that point I was so tired of crossing that bridge that I just went the cheap route. I'm assuming that I will be able to take him on again at some point, and I want to do it melee.

Just drop your blue soul stone any time you're in soul form, and see if someone snatches you up to lend them a helping hand against him.

It's good practice, and you can even start at his archstone and then just walk over to the summon area, fighting only that one blue-eyes knight.

As long as you're not over your equipment-weight maximum, you should be fast enough to avoid him. I am using a knight with full Fluted Armor on. Rolling shouldn't be needed but I do roll away from the shield bash, because it's quite powerful. With two people it's a lot easier, though, because you can distract him.

Most of the bosses in the game can be dealt with by means of arrows from afar, or by getting them stuck somewhere in their environment. Only exceptions I can think of are 2-3, 3-2, 4-3, and the final one. Oh, and 3-3, but 3-3 is a very special case indeed. It's a little sad that the game's AI can be exploited like it can, BUT it does help alleviate some of the frustration that can come until you get your skills up a bit more!

About the boss of 3-3:
The boss of 3-3 is a Black Phantom. Basically the game will take one random player that happens to be a Black Phantom at the moment, and pull them out of their little hunting game, and teleporting them to the boss chamber of world 3. So when you fight 3-3's boss, you're actually fighting another player, which could work out well for you, or very poorly for you, depending on who's out stalking players that moment in time. If you do end up getting screwed repeatedly, though, you can always play in offline mode and play against a random AI-controlled Black Phantom.

[Evil Avnovice]

Speaking of.... no one's been to the Tower of Latria yet? I'm interested in seeing what other people think of that place. I remember it giving me the willies!

I tried it....the first one I encountered hit me with a spell that left me immobilized long enough to suck my soul dry.

Didn't go back since. :p

[Evil Avnovice]

I think I've messed around long enough in Boletaria Palace and Stonefang Tunnel. My Long Sword, Short Spear and Battle Axe are around +3-5, so I'll try and work on Armor Spider. When I was killed the first time, I managed to get close enough to score a few hits after closing the gap between us when it was nailing me with fireballs and webs. So I'll see if I can come up with some sort of tactic.

[Tayaya]

So I'll see if I can come up with some sort of tactic.

Arrows. :D

I keed, I keed.

But seriously, Arrows.

[Kelegacy]

Well fuck, no store in my area has the game. At least it doesn't show in-store availability ANYWHERE. I wonder if Wal-Mart would have it, though online it doesn't show up.

If I order in the next 3 hours, I could have it mailed to me tomorrow...with ECA discount applied it comes to $64 w/the artbook and soundtrack. Would cost me $6 out of pocket after my Amazon giftcard is used up. Do I want to chance finding it tonight at Gamestop or another store...or do I order it online and have it show up tomorrow.

The games you buy in the store don't come with the artbook or soundtrack, do they? I'm probably better off just ordering it from Amazon with Saturday delivery for tomorrow around noon.

Or, I could buy it from Amazon now, and if I see it at Gamestop I could pick it up there as well. Then I could return the sealed copy Amazon sends me to Gamestop. :)

We'll see.

[Grifter]

Well fuck, no store in my area has the game. At least it doesn't show in-store availability ANYWHERE. I wonder if Wal-Mart would have it, though online it doesn't show up.

If I order in the next 3 hours, I could have it mailed to me tomorrow...with ECA discount applied it comes to $64 w/the artbook and soundtrack. Would cost me $6 out of pocket after my Amazon giftcard is used up. Do I want to chance finding it tonight at Gamestop or another store...or do I order it online and have it show up tomorrow.

The games you buy in the store don't come with the artbook or soundtrack, do they? I'm probably better off just ordering it from Amazon with Saturday delivery for tomorrow around noon.

Or, I could buy it from Amazon now, and if I see it at Gamestop I could pick it up there as well. Then I could return the sealed copy Amazon sends me to Gamestop. :)

We'll see.

You could just call all the places in your area that sells PS3 games and ask them if they have any in stock, if so, go pick it up, if not, order it off of Amazon.

[Kelegacy]

Do the retail non-CE copies have the artbook and CD or is that just online only?

[bstiff]

Well fuck, no store in my area has the game. At least it doesn't show in-store availability ANYWHERE. I wonder if Wal-Mart would have it, though online it doesn't show up.

If I order in the next 3 hours, I could have it mailed to me tomorrow...with ECA discount applied it comes to $64 w/the artbook and soundtrack. Would cost me $6 out of pocket after my Amazon giftcard is used up. Do I want to chance finding it tonight at Gamestop or another store...or do I order it online and have it show up tomorrow.

The games you buy in the store don't come with the artbook or soundtrack, do they? I'm probably better off just ordering it from Amazon with Saturday delivery for tomorrow around noon.

Or, I could buy it from Amazon now, and if I see it at Gamestop I could pick it up there as well. Then I could return the sealed copy Amazon sends me to Gamestop. :)

We'll see.

I looked around today and didn't see it on any of the eb/gamestop shelves anywhere even though it was supposedly in stock online. I didn't ask if they have it in stock because I didn't feel like being fucking chastised for not preordering it. On amazon with sat delivery it's still the same cost as it would be with tax if I bought in an brick and mortar place but without the agrravation of dealing with eb employees.

[Kelegacy]

I looked around today and didn't see it on any of the eb/gamestop shelves anywhere even though it was supposedly in stock online. I didn't ask if they have it in stock because I didn't feel like being fucking chastised for not preordering it. On amazon with sat delivery it's still the same cost as it would be with tax if I bought in an brick and mortar place but without the agrravation of dealing with eb employees.

You're right. I usually go for the cheap shipping but I cannot wait. Tonight I'll spend the time hooking up and updating the PS3, and tomorrow I'll play Demon's Souls.

Plus, I get the artbook and soundtrack, great for resale value if the game becomes rare. All for about a buck more than I'd pay at retail (including tax), plus the extra goodies.

Tomorrow I'll be back with a vengeance. This game better be worth it!!! My kid isn't going to college now.

[Spigot]

Tayaya: I didn't meet anyone in the Tower. I just ran out to the hallway, ran down a hall into a cell, got a piece of loot and left. I didn't have time to do anything but quickly look around.

Kel: FYI, all of the copies of the game come with the artbook and CD. The special deluxe edition has the complete strategy guide and supposedly some goodies for use in Neo-Steam. This is one of the few games where I am very happy to have the strategy guide, if only for some of the stuff re: items, etc. I haven't really looked into it much yet but I know for a fact that I'm going to be using the book a lot once I'm further into it.

[Vigil80]

Kel: FYI, all of the copies of the game come with the artbook and CD. The special deluxe edition has the complete strategy guide and supposedly some goodies for use in Neo-Steam.
I believe that's a negative, I'm afraid. My vanilla retail copy is just case, game and manual.

[Spigot]

I believe that's a negative, I'm afraid. My vanilla retail copy is just case, game and manual.Really? Huh. Maybe it was just preorders that got the artbook and CD. I was just going by the 3000 Atlus e-mails that seemed to indicate that every game came with extra swag.

[Gorvi]

Really? Huh. Maybe it was just preorders that got the artbook and CD. I was just going by the 3000 Atlus e-mails that seemed to indicate that every game came with extra swag.
Yeah, it was a preorder item, but some places may still have one or two if you're lucky.

[Tayaya]

Do the retail non-CE copies have the artbook and CD or is that just online only?

My non-ce retail copy from frys had the extras (artbook/CD), just not the guide and slip cover.

If it has them it'll have a little gold sticker on it that says, clearly, that it includes an art book and CD. And it'll be shrink-wrapped together with the art book.

Honestly the art book isn't anything special.... I was upset to see that most of it is just print versions of the game's loading screens. Was hoping for a little something more, there. The soundtrack isn't much but I do like some of the pieces of music in the game, so I am glad I got that.

[Kelegacy]

I didn't even look at Gamestop tonight. Demon's Souls will be here tomorrow via FedEx.

I did get a Slim. Playing now. Send me some invites -- user name Kelegacy. I don't think the Slim is even remotely attractive when compared to the phat...man, that thing was a beauty!

However, Gamestop ripped me off. I traded in 20 games and though I had heard that any trades over 12 start messing up, I did it anyway. I told the woman--the manager--that I heard the computer system starts messing up if you trade in more than 12...well, yup it happened. I can't figure out the break-down while she's scanning everything since Edge and promotion messes up the math. But I knew something was fishy.

Got home and I found that I had $20 less than I should have. A bit PO'd so I'll swing by tomorrow and hope they either credit my credit card (which they should) or add it back to store credit (which is okay I guess).

The woman DID say she would take my "defective" PS3 and give me $50 for it. That would save me the hassle of eBay. I wasn't expecting much more than that for it anyway, maybe upwards of 80. But this way I wouldn't have to mess with shipping.

Back to Ratchet and Clank for the night. My fiancee really loves watching me play PS3 games. She thinks they are gorgeous (and even loves the dashboard colors). Even the baby was captivated by the Ratchet cutscenes. :) But then again, I'm on the living room TV which is 1080p and very nice.

I plan on stealing the tv while she does her new hobby...Facebook. :)

[rein]

I didn't even look at Gamestop tonight. Demon's Souls will be here tomorrow via FedEx.

I did get a Slim. Playing now. Send me some invites -- user name Kelegacy. I don't think the Slim is even remotely attractive when compared to the phat...man, that thing was a beauty!

However, Gamestop ripped me off. I traded in 20 games and though I had heard that any trades over 12 start messing up, I did it anyway. I told the woman--the manager--that I heard the computer system starts messing up if you trade in more than 12...well, yup it happened. I can't figure out the break-down while she's scanning everything since Edge and promotion messes up the math. But I knew something was fishy.

Got home and I found that I had $20 less than I should have. A bit PO'd so I'll swing by tomorrow and hope they either credit my credit card (which they should) or add it back to store credit (which is okay I guess).

The woman DID say she would take my "defective" PS3 and give me $50 for it. That would save me the hassle of eBay. I wasn't expecting much more than that for it anyway, maybe upwards of 80. But this way I wouldn't have to mess with shipping.

Back to Ratchet and Clank for the night. My fiancee really loves watching me play PS3 games. She thinks they are gorgeous (and even loves the dashboard colors). Even the baby was captivated by the Ratchet cutscenes. :) But then again, I'm on the living room TV which is 1080p and very nice.

I plan on stealing the tv while she does her new hobby...Facebook. :)I think your still on my friends list. How long has it been since you logged into the PSN, a year? I always knew you would cave and come back to the Sony fold. :p


Oh and for anyone looking for a decent guide Mycheats has one here (http://mycheats.1up.com/view/section/3169297/26456/demon_s_souls/ps3).

[Abyssion]

One thing that infuriates me about this game is the targeting, the fact that I have it locked onto one enemy and I'm trying to fire off spells and before I can get the last hit it switches over to another enemy. Which leads to me getting dangerously close to the enemy I'm more focused on killing. I've died several times because I can't keep a friggin' lock.

[Xydarc]

I'm having serious problems with the Tower Knight. The only time I seem able to hit his ankles is when I target them. However, I can't seem to dodge very well, and if I don't have them targeted, I don't seem to do any damage, even with Turpentine.

[rein]

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck! I just died for this first time with this character through no fault of my own. I was messing around with the red dragon trying to collect items and the fucking bluetooth bug hit my fucking controller and my fucking character just walked off the fucking cliff. I am so fucking pissed off.

Edit -OK, calmed down about 5 minutes after posting that when I got back and found my bloodstain above the cliff but that really pissed me off. :)

Ran back through, beat Phalanx and raised all of my stats to 10 or more. So far I am torn between magic for distance and faster weapons for melee. I love it when I can get back-stabs in. Quick question, does the hide spell make backstabbing easy? Can you sneak up on enemies using it? I'm going to start focusing on one form of damage or the other. I thought I was going to love using bows but I didn't really like them that much.

[menage]

I finally got unstuck in the Tower of Latria. The damned thing had me so puzzled, in the end

those cages were fucking elevators.

[Gorvi]

I took down the spider last night, it made me very glad that I had invested in Water Veil, that's for sure. I'm not really sure where to go next, I'm thinking I may go through 2-2, but the little bit I went in didn't exactly leave me wanting to go further. The left path looks like it wouldn't be a good idea, and the right path has an area where it looks like you have to drop down, meaning it'd be tough to get out if you had to.

[Xydarc]

Does the Purple Flame Shield help against Tower Knight?

[Kelegacy]

Wow, FedEx showed up at 10 AM to drop off Demon's Souls. That was...fast.

Will be opening it in a few seconds. I was playing LBP demo and my girlfriend was watching. She asked how we can buy the game. Looks like another game will be in my future. :)

[Abyssion]

I decided to quit dealing with the Castle and I moved onto the Tower, I'm almost done with the second part of the area. Only reason I'm there is for some new spells to hopefully give me an edge against some things.

Too bad the stupid phantom is keeping me from reaching the 3-2 boss. :(

[menage]

Does the Purple Flame Shield help against Tower Knight?

Nope.

I took down the spider last night, it made me very glad that I had invested in Water Veil, that's for sure. I'm not really sure where to go next, I'm thinking I may go through 2-2, but the little bit I went in didn't exactly leave me wanting to go further. The left path looks like it wouldn't be a good idea, and the right path has an area where it looks like you have to drop down, meaning it'd be tough to get out if you had to.

That's where it got confusing for me too. Left is the normal way.

The bit on the right is only usefull when you start working on world tendency's. If you destroyed the spider while in "alive" mode, then go down. There's some stuff to collect as well, as well as a lizard, but that's about it.


I just played the whole afternoon. Got a shitload of new collectibles (not really usefull though). I met the Penetrator. He one hit killed me. Met the Maneater, he killed me too. Sigh, I'm not even feeling going down to the Old Hero now. He'll kill me too probably.

That's my main gripe with this game. I love how it's hard and stuff, but one hit kills are just cruel.

[Abyssion]

Met the Maneater, he killed me too.

Wait till the second one shows up...

I managed to kill one of em. The second was close to dying, then it shot this three homing magic missile thing at me. Frickin' annoying! :mad:

[Xydarc]

I need to take a break.

After getting Tower Knight down to 50% HP, his AOE shield attack knocked me against a wall, but a little up it, so the standing up animation gave way to the jumping down animation and by the time I had control, I got whacked with his spear and died.

In the 4 attempts to get back to him, I can't get past the blue eye knights. Every time I parry, they are too far away for the riposte animation to take effect, and when I close in on them, they've recovered and I'm getting nailed.

[Banacek]

I need to take a break.

After getting Tower Knight down to 50% HP, his AOE shield attack knocked me against a wall, but a little up it, so the standing up animation gave way to the jumping down animation and by the time I had control, I got whacked with his spear and died.

In the 4 attempts to get back to him, I can't get past the blue eye knights. Every time I parry, they are too far away for the riposte animation to take effect, and when I close in on them, they've recovered and I'm getting nailed.

Here's what I did: the trek across the bridge gives you at least 500 souls. At the second shelter, go downstairs and buy a Turpentine from the merchant, then run past the dragon, hide behind the cart, use the turpentine, and slaughter the guards and the two knights. I fought the Tower Knight so much that I got that part down to a science.

[Camel]

Finally managed to create a character I liked. I first tried making a magician, but was getting killed way too much. Finally settled on a hunter, and just defeated Phalanx.

It's took me a while to get into the game, but I'm really enjoying it now that I sort of know what I am doing.

[menage]

Here's what I did: the trek across the bridge gives you at least 500 souls. At the second shelter, go downstairs and buy a Turpentine from the merchant, then run past the dragon, hide behind the cart, use the turpentine, and slaughter the guards and the two knights. I fought the Tower Knight so much that I got that part down to a science.

Yeah, you really need to add some extra oomph to your weapon with the Blue Knights over there. That bit took me quite some time to get right.

Remember, lock on is your friend. It'd almost impossible to get anywhere without it. Most of the time I lock onto a knight and run backwards when they strike, leaves em wide open. But the Dragon might be a problem in this case. Also immediatly, doesn't matter how hard jut hit em, strike before they heal themselves. I never parry, just to hard to get right and different enemies have like 2 or 3 different moves so it's just too unpredicatble.

[Banacek]

Yeah, you really need to add some extra oomph to your weapon with the Blue Knights over there. That bit took me quite some time to get right.

Remember, lock on is your friend. It'd almost impossible to get anywhere without it. Most of the time I lock onto a knight and run backwards when they strike, leaves em wide open. Also immediatly, doesn't matter how hard jut hit em, strike before they heal themselves. But the Dragon might be a problem in this case. I never parry, just to hard to get right and different enemies have like 2 or 3 different moves so it's just too unpredicatble.

Yeah, the hardest part of that fight is the Dragon right behind you. If you are extremely lucky, you can force the Blue Knight back that way to get fried, but it's really unpredictable. I absolutely suck at the parry, I end up getting slaughtered if I use it. I hope that doesn't bite me in the ass later.

[Evil Avnovice]

Squashed Armor Spider, which was very easy after getting its pattern down. At this point, I'm not sure where to go or what to do. I know that Valley of Defilement and Tower of Latria are out for now, so I guess I'll go back to Island of Storms and explore there.

[Evil Avnovice]

Also, to go into a little detail from after defeating Armor Spider:

I notice that right behind it is a passage further into the back of Stonefang Tunnel. When I reach the end, there's a fork in the road. I went right, since I was nearly taken out by the exploding mine carts. Making my way out from that path, I notice it's a looooooooooooooooooooong way down, which I made the way, taking some bruises from falling. The very first thing I engaged told me I wasn't supposed to be here. So I'm on the run from large lava beetles and worms that were spitting lava all over the place. In the end, was killed and wasn't going to bother going back for the 2,000 souls I just lost. :p

The second time, I go left. Upon recon, there were only two or three carts to avoid, all easily dealt with by sprinting. I make my way to the end, and see and elevator and a path ahead. I take the elevator and start to make my way once I touch bottom, and immediately get back on since there are two warriors in a red aura coming after me. I already found out that anything with red eyes and the guy with the green aura at Boletaria Palace are insta-death, so my retreat was a wise decision.

I backtrack and take the path further down after taking the elevator back up. I end up in some part with more of those laval beetles. I kill a few of them, even though my Short Spear+ didn't do much damage, and then I make my way to the bastard called "Patches". Jackass has a treasure for me (Ring that grants flame resistance) and he lets me have it. I was aware that there's a EXTRA LARGE beetle dangling right over him, and the way he said was suspicious: Like a sucker, I went for it, and bam! The beetle falls to the ground, trapping me, and Patches deserts me (can you believe it?). Now, I thought I was dead, but it never turned around, so I took my Battle Axe, dual-handed it and went to work, which took quite a while.

Not pictured: The explosion after killing it, which damn near took me with it, if I didn't back off a few more inches.

Also not pictured: The slowdown, which had the framerate getting choppy while I'm dulling my blade on this creature.

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And for the Island of Storms, I can handle the skeleton warriors a little better, thanks to the godsend of target lock and the ability to strike while holding your shield up (very nifty technique.) Before stepping into the castle entrance, I run into Mr. Bubbles again:

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http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx230/Avnovice/Miscellaneous/2009-10-09153431.jpg

I left him alone, save for one time I decided to unload arrows on him to see what would happen. Almost killed him, if I had a few more holy and regular arrows. I did a partially thorough search around the castle and got a nifty regeneration ring for my efforts! :D

[Xydarc]

Squashed Armor Spider, which was very easy after getting its pattern down. At this point, I'm not sure where to go or what to do. I know that Valley of Defilement and Tower of Latria are out for now, so I guess I'll go back to Island of Storms and explore there.
I was actually able to take the dragon out after finding and upgrading the compound bow. It only took 85 arrows, but it was kinda boring.

The turpentine worked well. This time, I summoned a phantom, and we took out Tower Knight in 2 falls.:)

[Evil Avnovice]

I was actually able to take the dragon out after finding and upgrading the compound bow. It only took 85 arrows, but it was kinda boring.

I know Tayaya suggested arrows for Armor Spider, but I did it using melee attacks, and barring some slipups, did not have a problem at all with the boss.

The turpentine worked well. This time, I summoned a phantom, and we took out Tower Knight in 2 falls.:)

Congrats. :) I'll get there sooner or later, but the soul drops at Shrine of Storms is good at the moment, and I've been able to increase my stats. I'll stay there until I'm good and maybe head back to Boletaria Palace.

[menage]

I left him alone, save for one time I decided to unload arrows on him to see what would happen. Almost killed him, if I had a few more holy and regular arrows. I did a partially thorough search around the castle and got a nifty regeneration ring for my efforts! :D

So, you didn't kill it? And why is that:P

I killed him of with arrows, anything that can go down the easy way in this game is going down the easy way. It's hard enough as it is.

[Evil Avnovice]

So, you didn't kill it? And why is that:P

I killed him of with arrows, anything that can go down the easy way in this game is going down the easy way. It's hard enough as it is.

I was just curious. And I ran out of arrows. Plus, that swipe of his can take me out in 2 hits, or one, if my HP isn't at max while in soul form. :p

[Uno Ill Nino]

I know exactly what you guys are talking about with the long straightaway leading to the Tower Knight. I've died at the pack of archers with the two blue knights more times than I can count. I took a break and had an ODST firefight LAN last night and it was just the break I needed. Now I'm fired up again and ready to tackle the Tower Knight once and for all. :)

And yeah, Turpentine will wipe out those archers in one hit instead of two (I'm playing a Knight, using Long Sword +1, Strength 18) and will make those Blue Knights easier as well. For me its just going to be a matter of not panicking and swinging wildly because I'm worried about the Dragon behind me. Wish me luck!

[Gorvi]

Also, to go into a little detail from after defeating Armor Spider:

I notice that right behind it is a passage further into the back of Stonefang Tunnel. When I reach the end, there's a fork in the road. I went right, since I was nearly taken out by the exploding mine carts. Making my way out from that path, I notice it's a looooooooooooooooooooong way down, which I made the way, taking some bruises from falling. The very first thing I engaged told me I wasn't supposed to be here. So I'm on the run from large lava beetles and worms that were spitting lava all over the place. In the end, was killed and wasn't going to bother going back for the 2,000 souls I just lost. :p

The second time, I go left. Upon recon, there were only two or three carts to avoid, all easily dealt with by sprinting. I make my way to the end, and see and elevator and a path ahead. I take the elevator and start to make my way once I touch bottom, and immediately get back on since there are two warriors in a red aura coming after me. I already found out that anything with red eyes and the guy with the green aura at Boletaria Palace are insta-death, so my retreat was a wise decision.

I backtrack and take the path further down after taking the elevator back up. I end up in some part with more of those laval beetles. I kill a few of them, even though my Short Spear+ didn't do much damage, and then I make my way to the bastard called "Patches". Jackass has a treasure for me (Ring that grants flame resistance) and he lets me have it. I was aware that there's a EXTRA LARGE beetle dangling right over him, and the way he said was suspicious: Like a sucker, I went for it, and bam! The beetle falls to the ground, trapping me, and Patches deserts me (can you believe it?). Now, I thought I was dead, but it never turned around, so I took my Battle Axe, dual-handed it and went to work, which took quite a while. D
I just went through that whole area, what a maze. I actually went through twice, once in soul form helping someone kill the boss, and then again once I got my body back I killed the boss for myself. I hate those damn large beetles, they take way too long to kill.