Perfect Dark XBLA Hype Thread

[Disgustipated]

SUPER EDIT: IT'S OUT, GO DOWNLOAD IT


Perfect Dark is being remade for XBLA with sweet multiplayer and HD graphics. I'd peg it with either a late February or early March release *crosses finger*, and it's going to be fucking sweet.

EDIT:

Trailer from X10
http://www.rare.co.uk/movieplayer/

Also... March release date, $10, 8 player online multi, 1080p @ 60 FPS constant.

[Panthera]

Goddammit, another topic? As if the wait wasn't painful enough.

[biosc1]

Having played Perfect Dark Zero and having enjoyed it somewhat (though, I did fight the controls), why is it people bag on Zero, but love the original so much? I haven't played the original, but isn't it just going to play like Zero? Is it level design? Story? What makes the original so much better and isn't there a chance that the update will ruin it? Or even just the change from an N64 controller to a 360 controller?

[Disgustipated]

Having played Perfect Dark Zero and having enjoyed it somewhat (though, I did fight the controls), why is it people bag on Zero, but love the original so much? I haven't played the original, but isn't it just going to play like Zero? Is it level design? Story? What makes the original so much better and isn't there a chance that the update will ruin it? Or even just the change from an N64 controller to a 360 controller?

The original is probably the most comprehensive, fully-featured FPS of all time.. I can't really think of a game that offers the amount of options that PD does. And no, going to the 360 controller will only make this game controls 3x better.

I think Rare is really doing a remake the right way with PD for XBLA.

[Panthera]

Having played Perfect Dark Zero and having enjoyed it somewhat (though, I did fight the controls), why is it people bag on Zero, but love the original so much? I haven't played the original, but isn't it just going to play like Zero? Is it level design? Story? What makes the original so much better and isn't there a chance that the update will ruin it? Or even just the change from an N64 controller to a 360 controller?

Perfect Dark and Goldeneye were very, very much a different pace of shooter than PDZ. Goldeneye especially was the rare exception where a console shooter out-innovated PC shooters of its time, with thoughtful, detailed gameplay. PDZ threw all that out the window.

I think it's pretty clear from the port they did of Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie that they're not going to pooch this one.

[CES]

Having played Perfect Dark Zero and having enjoyed it somewhat (though, I did fight the controls), why is it people bag on Zero, but love the original so much? I haven't played the original, but isn't it just going to play like Zero? Is it level design? Story? What makes the original so much better and isn't there a chance that the update will ruin it? Or even just the change from an N64 controller to a 360 controller?

Zero felt like a completely different, average shooter which borrowed some of the PD names.

The real reason Zero gets a lot of hate is because virtually nobody who worked on PD was around to create PDZ so it lacked any of the stuff we liked from PD.

[Mortis]

I never got to play PD, so I am looking forward to this.

[Jason]

I never got to play PD, so I am looking forward to this.

This goes for me as well. I liked Zero. It was fun even though it did seem to lack some things other FPS games of the time had.

[Handmade.Mercury]

BOTS!

Man, those bots ruled.

[Mortis]

This goes for me as well. I liked Zero. It was fun even though it did seem to lack some things other FPS games of the time had.

I enjoyed PD0 as well. I bought it when I picked up my first 360.

[ThievesAmongUs]

People hate me all the more for saying this, but, I've always felt that PD surpassed Goldeneye for the best N64 FPS of all time.

[Wolvie]

Having played Perfect Dark Zero and having enjoyed it somewhat (though, I did fight the controls), why is it people bag on Zero, but love the original so much? I haven't played the original, but isn't it just going to play like Zero? Is it level design? Story? What makes the original so much better and isn't there a chance that the update will ruin it? Or even just the change from an N64 controller to a 360 controller?

Perfect dark for me was a such a huge improvement over Goldeneye. It did so many little things right, and the multiplayer was the best I had played at the time.

PDZ on the other hand had great graphics, but that's about it. The story was cool, but the gameplay was actually a step back for the genre. There was one spot in the jungle where you walked into an area, where you can see guards, and they don't know you're there, then you walk past a set point on the ground and they ALL immediately know where you are and start shooting you like crazy. The game is filled with lazy programming like that.

And the MP? Oh my god it is so much worse then the original. My main beef was with how much damage it took to kill somone. I shot someone with three or four clips to the body before they dropped. Sometimes It took two to three shots to the head to drop someone, depending if they had armor on.
It just made the MP matches painful to play. In short, it sucked.

PDZ was a good/average single player FPS launch title, marred with a pathetic MP mode.

[TheFlyingOrc]

People hate me all the more for saying this, but, I've always felt that PD surpassed Goldeneye for the best N64 FPS of all time.

Dude, the existence of the laptop gun says you're right.

[Urizen]

Dude, the existence of the laptop gun says you're right.

Was it the Dragon that you could throw down as a proximity mine for your opponents to try to pick up? So many awesome deaths where I would be running unarmed from an opponent and see a gun on the floor, only to do a 180 and run the other way when I realized the weapon in front of me could be a sneaky Dragon.

Also, the K7 remains the finest automatic rifle in the history of videogames.

GoldenEye had a better, more consistent campaign. The multi in PD is still something to aspire to. I put my hours into PD, though. I got every medal in the shooting range. I don't know how many of you cats can lay claim to that.

[CES]

GoldenEye had a better, more consistent campaign. The multi in PD is still something to aspire to. I put my hours into PD, though. I got every medal in the shooting range. I don't know how many of you cats can lay claim to that.

I got all golds twice. Once the proper way and once by using the Laptop Gun glitch.

[MagGnome]

I have a lot of fond memories of Perfect Dark. My buddies and I played it for hours on end. The Anti-Coop mode (I forget the name) was pretty fun, and the multiplayer was incredible at the time. It's still one of my favorite FPS, and one of the few that I've ever gotten really into.

Edit - I wonder if they will spell "Facility" right this time? :p

[miah]

my ex-brother in law and i used to play this game for HOURS before Sunday dinners at the inlaws house. It was great, the AI in the multiplayer maps was awesome.

PDZ... omg it was horrible. For many many reasons. For one, the controls were BAD, for a n64 game to have superior controls is just sad. They also treated you like you'd never played PD or a FPS before, FOLLOW THE LINES. The story, ugh. The graphics... half the time you wouldn't even be able to tell there was a enemy infront of you and if there was moving to do anything was impossible. I got rid of that game quick, and i bought it at launch. what a pos.

[Panthera]

I have a lot of fond memories of Perfect Dark. My buddies and I played it for hours on end. The Anti-Coop mode (I forget the name) was pretty fun, and the multiplayer was incredible at the time. It's still one of my favorite FPS, and one of the few that I've ever gotten really into.

Edit - I wonder if they will spell "Facility" right this time? :p

Counter-operative, and not unless they mysteriously get the Bond license back. ;)

I submit that Perfect Dark had the best guns, in both variety and quality, of any game.

[JayK47]

How long until they turn off the servers?

Seriously though, I may get this. But would prefer Goldeneye.

[Urizen]

I got all golds twice. Once the proper way and once by using the Laptop Gun glitch.

What Laptop Gun glitch?

Robin, to the Youtube-mobile!!

[MagGnome]

Counter-operative, and not unless they mysteriously get the Bond license back. ;)

Why would they have to get the Bond license to call a map "Facility"? Is that why it was misspelled in the the first?

[divinechaos]

I want this game.

That is all.

[Deadend]

I am not sure I want this, as what if it sucks and reminds me that FPS standards from 1999 or whenever don't hold up as well today? I like Perfect Dark as the game I remember, not the game it is.

[Krispy]

Perfect Dark's multiplayer options still haven't been matched by any current FPS (ignoring modding obviously).

I am not sure I want this, as what if it sucks and reminds me that FPS standards from 1999 or whenever don't hold up as well today? I like Perfect Dark as the game I remember, not the game it is.

Don't worry, I was playing PD yesterday. It was a ton of fun.

[CES]

What Laptop Gun glitch?

Robin, to the Youtube-mobile!!

You could use the delay in activating the Laptop Guns secondary fire (it folds up and goes off screen). Face the back wall of the range, activate the secondary mode and as soon as the gun is off screen cancel the challenge and immediately start up a different one. Time it right and the challenge starts as you throw the laptop sentry onto the wall. It'll shoot all the targets for you and you don't need to do a damn thing.

[ThievesAmongUs]

Three words: poison throwing knives. Never have I laughed so hard with a friend, than when we did a match using only those weapons. You couldn't see squat with your vision all blurry like that.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Yup, I am buying this very much.

I made an awesome multiplayer template where both sides had a Dark difficulty Speedsim. It would run into the room at 2X speed and...you were already dead.

[Panthera]

Why would they have to get the Bond license to call a map "Facility"? Is that why it was misspelled in the the first?

It's because the map is from Goldeneye, and modeled vaguely from a few scenes in the movie.

[Wolvie]

Perfect Dark's multiplayer options still haven't been matched by any current FPS (ignoring modding obviously).

The only game I've played that even comes close is Halo 3. And even with it's map editing options, it still falls short. Kinda sad that modern FPS' can't match the options of a decade and a half old piece of software.

[Urizen]

Yup, I am buying this very much.

I made an awesome multiplayer template where both sides had a Dark difficulty Speedsim. It would run into the room at 2X speed and...you were already dead.

If you actually saw your DarkSims enter your room before you died, you were actually pretty good. What I enjoyed most playing against them with magnums on. They never needed a second shot.

[MagGnome]

It's because the map is from Goldeneye, and modeled vaguely from a few scenes in the movie.

There were several maps in Perfect Dark that were straight from Goldeneye, and they didn't change the names on any of those.

I still think it was a misspelling. Either that or just very odd, as the name "Felicity" doesn't make any sense.

[Panthera]

There were several maps in Perfect Dark that were straight from Goldeneye, and they didn't change the names on any of those.

I still think it was a misspelling. Either that or just very odd, as the name "Felicity" doesn't make any sense.

There were three maps from Goldeneye. The other two were generic and not based on any Bond film.

[Kojak]

So here's a question, I completely forgot how you could make your own character and it would track your stats in your memory pack and take your character to other people's houses. Is that going to be something continues with with this update except replace memory pack with X-Box Live?


Can I still put a mans head on a womans body?

[carnage11]

I wanna say Perfect Dark was the first game to introduce the adrenaline pill, where time slowed down. That shit was absolutely fantastic back in the day. Charging into a room and mowing down 20 bad guys before even one could get off a shot. It's done a lot now of course, last game I remember was CoD:MW2, which exaggerated it even more.

I think what also set it apart was that the AI was really well constructed. Even better than Goldeneye IMO. Perfect Dark was such an obsession for me, and when PDZ game out I was ecstatic, but then really.....really disappointed.:(

[MagGnome]

I wanna say Perfect Dark was the first game to introduce the adrenaline pill, where time slowed down. That shit was absolutely fantastic back in the day. Charging into a room and mowing down 20 bad guys before even one could get off a shot. It's done a lot now of course, last game I remember was CoD:MW2, which exaggerated it even more.

I think what also set it apart was that the AI was really well constructed. Even better than Goldeneye IMO. Perfect Dark was such an obsession for me, and when PDZ game out I was ecstatic, but then really.....really disappointed.:(

Perfect Dark did have that, but it was Max Payne that put "bullet time" on the map. Pretty much every game that has had it since is riffing off of Max Payne/The Matrix.

[Kojak]

Did anyone ever understand why there were controls in that game to close your eyes. It wasn't in the instructions manual but if you crouched and pressed the down C button again your character would close their eyes.

Was this their secret method of stopping screen cheating back in the day. It will be awesome playing this again, without my friend and I building a huge cardboard divider across the screen like we used to.

I'm not the only one that did that right?

[MagGnome]

I had no idea you could do that. Interesting...

[Panthera]

Did anyone ever understand why there were controls in that game to close your eyes. It wasn't in the instructions manual but if you crouched and pressed the down C button again your character would close their eyes.

I did know you could do that, but I hadn't thought of it being anti-screen watching.

[Disgustipated]

X10 update: March release, $10, online multiplayer, 1080p @ 60 FPS, 4 player split-screen.

Trailer is in the OP. Enjoy!

[Dorkandproudofit]

Laptop sentry guns for everyone! :D

[Wolvie]

Laptop sentry guns for everyone! :D

I can just hear the crybabies whining about how "cheap" they are now.

[Kojak]

I think you mean all the people having a whinge at the use of the Farsight gun. You should dam-well know not to stand still if that gun is anywhere on the map!

[carnage11]

I think you mean all the people having a whinge at the use of the Farsight gun. You should dam-well know not to stand still if that gun is anywhere on the map!

Yes the Farsight gun was the cheapest weapon in video game history. It didn't matter if you were standing still or running down a hall. You were dead. Me and my friends vowed to never play with that gun cause all it turned out to be was a race to the Farsight gun. Who ever got there first won.

[MagGnome]

We always turned off the Farsight gun as well. It was cheap and not fun in the least. The Golden Gun could be fun, but not the Farsight.

[Food Nipple]

We always turned off the Farsight gun as well. It was cheap and not fun in the least. The Golden Gun could be fun, but not the Farsight.

Other crap we always turned off:

N-bombs
Poison knives

Both of those were bugged. I hated how you would get hit by a poison knife, die, respawn and still be poisoned and woozy.

Knowing xbox live, every custom game will be nothing but laptop guns, n-bombs, poison knives, and that gun that turns into a proxy mine when you throw it.

[MagGnome]

Yeah, I can't imagine playing this with the general Xbox Live audience. No thanks.

[JayK47]

Yeah, I can't imagine playing this with the general Xbox Live audience. No thanks.

I say this for all Xbox games.

[MagGnome]

I say this for all Xbox games.

Point taken!

[Disgustipated]

IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE. It was just released today! 800 MS points! $10! Go get it, guys!!

[TheFlyingOrc]

IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE. It was just released today! 800 MS points! $10! Go get it, guys!!

ARGH I am TOO BROKE TO BUY IT CURSE YOU HOME BUYING PROCESS

[Adam Blue]

I was just reminded on how hard the hardest difficulty is. The gameplay is still excellent today.

[Satertek]

Planning a LAN tonight. Gonna be awesome.

(There anyway I can transfer my old stats for my N64 memory card? :p )

[LiquidRain]

I've bought in. Can't wait to get home from work and play it some more.

[Adam Blue]

No party system for quickmatch. Only bots, co-op, and challenges.

[Mike Kelehan]

No party system for quickmatch. Only bots, co-op, and challenges.

The game doesn't have its own, but if you're all in an Xbox Live party, doesn't XBL automatically try to match you on the same team in the same game? Provided you're playing unranked, of course.

[Adam Blue]

The game doesn't have its own, but if you're all in an Xbox Live party, doesn't XBL automatically try to match you on the same team in the same game? Provided you're playing unranked, of course.

I had no idea. If so, that's great.

[Satertek]

Looks great, but we bought 2 copies to play on system link and guess what, it doesn't support it. What the hell, that was the main advantage a 360 port could have.

I assume there's no way to refund and XBLA game?

[Disgustipated]

God this game kicks ass. And so does Rare.

[LiquidRain]

Looks great, but we bought 2 copies to play on system link and guess what, it doesn't support it. What the hell, that was the main advantage a 360 port could have.

I assume there's no way to refund and XBLA game?
I am equally disappointed in the lack of system link functionality. Fortunately my friends and I have plenty of Gold accounts to spare, but it's still a kick in the ass.

This along with the stuttering (I've noticed it as well at random) and slowdown makes me wtf a bit. (try anything that generates smoke - it's like being back on the original PD :P )

[Tayaya]

I am throwing down the gauntlet and demanding that we play PD on Sunday or Monday. Won't be back home til then. I meant to check on Wednesday to see if this was up yet too, and totally forgot.

Oh, and playing a round of all tranquilizers has to happen. You don't know the meaning of fun until you have 4 players stumbling around blindly shooting darts everywhere. Well, it was fun 10 years ago, anyway!

[ThievesAmongUs]

God, I've waited far too long to play this again (10 years !). Yeah its a bit dated by graphics standards, but its still an absolute blast to play.

[shodan2020]

Was it the Dragon that you could throw down as a proximity mine for your opponents to try to pick up? So many awesome deaths where I would be running unarmed from an opponent and see a gun on the floor, only to do a 180 and run the other way when I realized the weapon in front of me could be a sneaky Dragon.


Yes, yes it is. I killed myself in single player doing that. I set it and wanted it back and figured since I set it, I could disarm it or that it wouldn't explode on me... I was so wrong.

Also, I had a blast doing some multi with Suave and hunterx280 thursday evening. The highlight being unarmed and disarming Suave and killing him with his own gun. :)

[LiquidRain]

I just played this last night for about 7 hours with my friends in multiplayer. Dear god it's every bit the game I remember it being. So much fun. And this time we could do stupid things because of the framerate - like n-bombs! And us vs. 8 sims!

[CES]

If I had to pick one feature that makes the XBLA version better than the original, it'd have to be the significantly more fluid switch between primary and secondary fire. Either that or letting you cycle weapons both ways without having an awkward button combo.

Also, forgot just how punishing the game could be, I screwed up G5: Infiltration a few times because one guard kept switching spawns and always made it to the alarm.

[Tayaya]

I just played this last night for about 7 hours with my friends in multiplayer. Dear god it's every bit the game I remember it being. So much fun. And this time we could do stupid things because of the framerate - like n-bombs! And us vs. 8 sims!

10 years ago, even though I loved PD, I always said "this game would be awesome if it was on a system that could, you know, actually RUN IT!"

I'm glad to see that even in my youth I knew what I was talkin' 'bout!

[Disgustipated]

This game is so amazing. This is the way Perfect Dark should've been. They should've just released this instead of Perfect Dark Zero!

[TheFlyingOrc]

God this game kicks ass. And so does Rare.

So DID Rare.

Perfect Dark is pretty amazing. I beat it on Agent, and I was initially like "Man, that wasn't all that great."

Then I started on Special Agent, and it's a whole 'nother game. Everything is fun. Also co-op is fun. Can't wait to play some counter-operative.

Story is pretty stupid, though.

edit: Also this game has some of the worst voice acting I've ever seen. I can't believe what was standard way back in 1998. :)

double edit: Let's get a game night going, everyone who bought it. Add TheFlyingOrc to your contacts, I'll be on on Tuesday night, 8PM EST.

[LiquidRain]

Story is pretty stupid, though.
To me it's a Saturday morning cartoon from my childhood. Which is to say, fairly stupid. :)

edit: Also this game has some of the worst voice acting I've ever seen. I can't believe what was standard way back in 1998. :)
A lot of the bad was masked by the horrific amounts of compression the original PD had on its audio. But yeah, definitely a lot of corny acting. :)

[CES]

So DID Rare.


So DOES Rare. Viva Pinata/VP2, Banjo 3 and the two Banjo remakes are excellent games.

[Adam Blue]

Maybe this was just in Goldeneye, but wasn't there a way to quick detonate the remote mine? I think on the N64 it was by holding down A+B. I remember just tossing and quick detonating on people. But again, that might have just been Goldeneye.

EDIT: Just found it...it's A+X.

[LiquidRain]

Yep, it's reload+use and it works on any control scheme. (e.g. for Spartan it's A+RB)

[Disgustipated]

You guys wanna play tonight? I gotta run to the DMV and register my shit and then go to class at 7 PM PST, but before that I should be able to play an hour or two.

[Dorkandproudofit]

I have TKD tonight from 8-8:45 central time. 9 CST would be better for me.

[Tayaya]

I downloaded this yesterday. Holy shit is it amazing to see PD running this smoothly. The new textures are great, and hearing that soundtrack again is stirring up so many memories with each new tune.

The voice acting really does stand out as being incredibly corny now... I initially thought they re-recorded Joanna because she doesn't sound the same at all, but I do think it might just be the compression on the old cart that makes her sound different. The rest of the voices sound exactly as I remember them.

It's amazing how much easier this game is then it's not running at like 15 frames/sec.