Final Fantasy XIII on 3 Discs for 360

[Dukefrukem]

it's official (http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/02/02/news-Final-Fantasy-XIII-Shipping-On-Three-360-Discs.aspx).

thoughts? :D

[Gorvi]

You shall buy Final Fantasy XIII. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy game disc towards thy console, who, being naughty in my sight, shall play it.

[Grifter]

Who cares?

[Disgustipated]

I can't decide whether to get FF13 on PS3 or 360. I guess I'll wait and see which platform has superior performance/features.

[Yeti2005]

I didn't mind the disc swaps in ME2 so this doesn't bother me. That said, I also own a PS3 so I'll probably get it for that system, not because of the disc swaps but more that the PS3 was the main dev platform.

[Dukefrukem]

Who cares?

Me.

I was pissed in ME2 and that only has 2 discs.

[Grifter]

You are either very lazy or very petty.

I have a hard time picturing an intelligent, mature adult giving a shit about having to take 15 seconds to change a disc.

[Wraith]

“Players will only have to swap discs twice during their entire game,” the representative continued.Lost Odyssey (arguably the best JRPG on the 360 to date) was on 4 discs. FFXIII will be on 3.

I honestly don't think this will keep anyone from buying the game (apart from a handful of people who think disc swapping kills any game for them).

I think the PS3 version will still outsell the 360 version, in regions where both are available, but I doubt the number of discs will be the deciding factor.

[civil]

I pre-ordered on PS3, as...well, it just doesn't seem right playing it on my 360. But this little quote had me intrigued:

Now you know what to expect when you crack open your shiny green copy of Final Fantasy XIII when it releases March 8. Hopefully a full install of the game will reduce the disc swapping instanced to zero.

I just got to the part in ME2 where I had to switch discs (please, no mention of anything plot-related!). I had enough room to install both discs on my HDD but I assume I will need to switch back to Disc 1 at some point. Is that incorrect? Meaning: Once both discs are installed to my HDD, will I no longer need to switch in/out as long as one of the discs is in the drive?

[nixpayn]

I'm getting it for PS3 just cuz.. i feel its the native environment and will run better lol.

Probably wont notice much diff between the 2 consoles honestly, but thats my gut feeling.

[BlackPete]

1 min to swap a disc after 10 hours of gameplay? Anyone who actually gave a damn about that must be living a good life with nothing better to worry about.

[KamaItachi]

3 discs, TWO swaps? Oh Jesus Christ, no!

There goes my plan of sitting stock still for the 50 hours plus it will take to complete this game.

[MachEnergy]

I actually LIKE changing discs. "Please Insert Disc 2" is almost like an achievement. It's like getting really far in a good book, and looking back to see how many pages you've read without realizing it.

[Doctor Setebos]

I actually LIKE changing discs. "Please Insert Disc 2" is almost like an achievement. It's like getting really far in a good book, and looking back to see how many pages you've read without realizing it.That's exactly how I felt the first time I had to switch discs. I believe it was Final Fantasy 7. That was a great feeling. :D

[BigJonno]

If you have a problem with this, I have a solution. BigJonno's Two-Step Plan For People Who Complain Too Much.

Step One.
Buy a diary or some kind of day planner. Changing a goddamn disc every few hours is apparently a huge chore, but you have the time to complain about said disc changing on the internet. This suggests that you have time management issues and need to organise yourself better.

Step Two.
With some of your new found free time, go and find a trusted friend or loved one. Ask them very nicely to ball their hand up into a fist and ram it into your face, stomach or groin as hard as they can. That's your punishment for being a whiny bitch.

In all seriousness, this really is a non-issue. I had Street Fighter 2 on the Amiga. It came on four floppies and the characters and backgrounds were split between them. Depending on who you were fighting and where, you had to swap discs up to three times for each bout. Complaining about one or two disc swaps in several hours? Pussy.

[OldJadedGamer]

I'm on the fence still about this one. I kind of want to make FFXIII my first multiplatform title that I get on the PS3 and also, Square hasn't supported the PS3 at all this gen so I want to show my support for them and the system.

But I do want to show my support for them making all their games multiplatform including this one and the three discs aren't an issue to me in the least. I do want Square to bring out FFXIV and Versus to the 360 too so a sale for FFXIII on the system will add to this.

In the end, from what we've read so far between the two versions they are going to be identical outside of the discs and the audio which I don't even have a sound system to tell the difference in the first place. I'm going to wait for head/head comparisons to make my final decision.

[Mike Kelehan]

I actually LIKE changing discs. "Please Insert Disc 2" is almost like an achievement. It's like getting really far in a good book, and looking back to see how many pages you've read without realizing it.

I like it because it tells you, in no uncertain terms, that this is the perfect time to take a break. It's an intermission. It's not a forced intermission, no sir; you can get up and change discs right away if you want. But, I like to save, quit, think about what I've experienced so far, watch some TV, and then simply put in the next disc at the start of my next session.

[Kenzington4short]

I actually LIKE changing discs. "Please Insert Disc 2" is almost like an achievement. It's like getting really far in a good book, and looking back to see how many pages you've read without realizing it.

In total agreement here. It's one of the few times (perhaps only?) you can open the disc drive and the system doesn't reset and go to the home screen. It's like magic!

I'll end up picking it up on which ever system performs better or has better extras. If there's no difference I'll get the 360 version for the points.

[hunterx280]

I actually LIKE changing discs. "Please Insert Disc 2" is almost like an achievement. It's like getting really far in a good book, and looking back to see how many pages you've read without realizing it.

There are achievements for completing each disk in Lost Odyssey.

[Narradisall]

Oh joy, a PS3 v 360 pissing contest, we haven't one of these in nearly an hour.

[Narradisall]

There are achievements for completing each disk in Lost Odyssey.

A game that came out only on the 360, coincidence? I think not!

[BigJonno]

Oh joy, a PS3 v 360 pissing contest, we haven't one of these in nearly an hour.

Umm, try reading the thread. No pissing going on whatsoever. A few people mentioning indecision regarding platforms and the rest of it a discussion on the merits of disc-swapping and the stupidity of people who complain about it.

[Narradisall]

Umm, try reading the thread. No pissing going on whatsoever. A few people mentioning indecision regarding platforms and the rest of it a discussion on the merits of disc-swapping and the stupidity of people who complain about it.

I was just pre-empting where this will probably end up, as all threads involving comparisons between the two platforms usually do. I can understand graphics, glitches, quality or any other stuff that actually really affects the game being an issue in deciding what platform I play on, but swapping discs? Something you may do 2 or 3 times in the 60 odd hours you'll be putting into the game? Is it really a factor anyone here is going to seriously consider in their purchasing decision?

#Edit - Also 3,500 post. Life fail!

[Mike Kelehan]

I was just pre-empting where this will probably end up, as all threads involving comparisons between the two platforms usually do. I can understand graphics, glitches, quality or any other stuff that actually really affects the game being an issue in deciding what platform I play on, but swapping discs? Something you may do 2 or 3 times in the 60 odd hours you'll be putting into the game? Is it really a factor anyone here is going to seriously consider in their purchasing decision?

#Edit - Also 3,500 post. Life fail!

We all agree with you. That's why we're not going that route in this thread. If you WOULD like to see a similar thread devolve into a pissing match, the old site has one. :-)

[Narradisall]

We all agree with you. That's why we're not going that route in this thread. If you WOULD like to see a similar thread devolve into a pissing match, the old site has one. :-)

Doesn't it kind of make the OP redundant then? Or shall we shazam this into a actual discussion of the various pro's and cons of the different versions?

I fully expect this to be better on the PS3 personally, even though I did plan to pick it up on my 360 before it shit the bed.

Disc swapping be damned, I just reckon the graphics will be more polished on the PS3, even if I do hate their shitty gamepads.

[Doctor Setebos]

I really like how this thread wasn't at all a pissing match, until you made a joke about it being a pissing match, and then turned it into an actual pissing match.

Well done! :D

[Scull]

I remember when having a game on multiple discs was a GOOD thing. That usually meant that you were getting a lot of game for your money. I paid $50 for FFVII and easily played it 3 times longer than most single disc games that I also paid $50 for. Plus it was a great badge of honor to be the first of my friends to make the next disc. I love big games that take up lots of disc space because I expect to get more play time out of them.

[Narradisall]

I really like how this thread wasn't at all a pissing match, until you made a joke about it being a pissing match, and then turned it into an actual pissing match.

Well done! :D

Yeah, I think I managed some weird self fullfilling prophecy :D

[Karmakin]

The other thing is that most games make an effort of making the disc swap worth it. It happens at a certain point in the story, where the swapping of the disc actually makes it feel more epic.

I know that's silly, but that's the emotions that's tied into that for me.

[hunterx280]

I will say, I don't mind disk swapping in most cases but there is one game where disk swapping was a pain in the ass. Legend of Dragoon on the PSone. Great game but if you were trying to traverse the world doing side quests, you had to have them in very precise order or you would be up disk swapping every 5 minutes whenever you went to a new city.

[Kelegacy]

I can't decide whether to get FF13 on PS3 or 360. I guess I'll wait and see which platform has superior performance/features.

Same.

I have a feeling I'll get it for PS3 though. But not at launch. I am not a rabid JRPG fan like I used to be. I can wait for a price drop.

[Gerbs]

I pre-ordered on PS3, as...well, it just doesn't seem right playing it on my 360. But this little quote had me intrigued:



I just got to the part in ME2 where I had to switch discs (please, no mention of anything plot-related!). I had enough room to install both discs on my HDD but I assume I will need to switch back to Disc 1 at some point. Is that incorrect? Meaning: Once both discs are installed to my HDD, will I no longer need to switch in/out as long as one of the discs is in the drive?

Even with both ME2 discs installed to HDD you still have to swap at the required points. I imagine FF13 will be the same. Did I do it wrong? Does it have to be FFXIII?

[OldJadedGamer]

I was just pre-empting where this will probably end up, as all threads involving comparisons between the two platforms usually do. I can understand graphics, glitches, quality or any other stuff that actually really affects the game being an issue in deciding what platform I play on, but swapping discs? Something you may do 2 or 3 times in the 60 odd hours you'll be putting into the game? Is it really a factor anyone here is going to seriously consider in their purchasing decision?

#Edit - Also 3,500 post. Life fail!

The complaint flew out the window the day that MGS4 was announced to have an install for each chapter. Since looking at sales of that title, it's pretty obvious that it wasn't a big deal and hence, the swapping of discs isn't a big deal since it takes longer to load a chapter in MGS4 than it would to just switch a disc.

[jpublic]

If all things are equal - graphics, performance, etc, on each platform, for me it'll come down to Gamerscore vs no disc swapping.

[johnperkins21]

Disc swapping doesn't really bother me too much if I'm not having to do it all the time. Once every 3-4 plus hours of gameplay? Sure, not a big deal. More often than that and I'd probably complain.

I'll probably get this on PS3 anyway (not because of the disc swap, just because I prefer the PS3 as a console - ees quiet), so it's fairly moot. However, I do plan on getting Mass Effect 2 soon, and the disc swaps for that game do not weigh on my decision in the slightest.

[Dorkandproudofit]

You shall buy Final Fantasy XIII. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy game disc towards thy console, who, being naughty in my sight, shall play it.

I dub thee Sir Gorvi the Awesome.

[Mike Kelehan]

Doesn't it kind of make the OP redundant then? Or shall we shazam this into a actual discussion of the various pro's and cons of the different versions?

I fully expect this to be better on the PS3 personally, even though I did plan to pick it up on my 360 before it shit the bed.

Disc swapping be damned, I just reckon the graphics will be more polished on the PS3, even if I do hate their shitty gamepads.

What do you base that on, though? Every multiplatform game I've seen has been anywhere from indistinguishable between the two, to way way better on the 360. Even games developed for the PS3 as the lead (Burnout Paradise, Devil May Cry 4) didn't end up looking better on the PS3. A few people said Dragon Age looked a little better for the PS3, but that's the only one I can recall.

Maybe this will be the first, and indeed I'm waiting on reviews to decide which version I'm getting. But, why would you assume this will go the other way?

Honestly, I expect them to look the same on both systems, with the biggest advantage of the PS3 version being the superior d-pad. Since I modded my 360 d-pad, though, I'll go the 360 route if all other aspects are equal, simply because my house has two 360s and one PS3, so it'll be way more convenient.

[BlackPete]

Eh, between the 360 and PS3 controllers, it's hard to say which is better. The PS3 dpad is definitely superior, but I hate the way my fingers just slide off the lower rear triggers, whereas the 360 version feels perfect.

I really doubt there will be noticeable technical differences between the 360 and PS3 versions, unless if you did side-by-side pixel peeping.

[OldJadedGamer]

Maybe this will be the first, and indeed I'm waiting on reviews to decide which version I'm getting. But, why would you assume this will go the other way?

The major differences won't have anything to do with gameplay and that will be the CG movies will be in 1080p on PS3 and it will have uncompressed audio which you will only be able to tell if you have the proper set up.

But gameplay wise... part you actually play should be identical.

[Deadend]

Eh, between the 360 and PS3 controllers, it's hard to say which is better. The PS3 dpad is definitely superior, but I hate the way my fingers just slide off the lower rear triggers, whereas the 360 version feels perfect.

I really doubt there will be noticeable technical differences between the 360 and PS3 versions, unless if you did side-by-side pixel peeping.

I hate using analog sticks for menus, which there will be tons of, but the PS3 has a more tolerable D-Pad. I prefer achievements to trophies.

Can't I just get it on PC?

[Chris_D]

People that only own a 360 will happily buy it. Others will just buy the PS3 version. Some of those will pretend to care so they can complain about it.

[Widgetcraft]

People that only own a 360 will happily buy it. Others will just buy the PS3 version. Some of those will pretend to care so they can complain about it.

Personally, I would wait on some reviews of the 360 version at the very least, just based on the fact that they're not going to release that version in Japan. I mean, it could turn out perfectly fine, I'm not one of those people who think that there is some vast difference in power between the 360 and PS3, I just question Square's dedication to making a quality port of a game that isn't going to release in their native territory.

I'm not buying it at all due to lawlrailRPG, so some would say I shouldn't even comment on it.

[Chris_D]

Well, as I said, people who only have a 360. Everything available so far suggests the PS3 version is superior but the 360 version is perfectly fine. So, it seems an extremely easy decision to me. You'd have to be pretty desperate for achievement points to pass up the PS3 version if you had the choice.

[Narradisall]

What do you base that on, though?

To be honest, I base it purely on it being their platform of choice for development for the past decade or so. I could be proven entirely wrong, I just somehow expect the PS3 version to be smoother.

I'll still probably end up getting it for the 360 though.

[Gorvi]

Like any multiplatform game, the main thing it'll come down to is controller preference. 99% of multiplatform games are so damn close that it really doesn't matter, usually if there is a difference it gets so blown out of proportion it's moronic fanboy fodder. It really is a rare occurance (like Bayonetta) where the difference is of any real significance.

[Chris_D]

I dunno, the CGs, a big part of any modern FF, are meant to look a lot better on PS3 (that is pretty unsurprising). Also, the textures are supposed to be notably more compressed on 360. Anyway, I think I was reading impressions from the FFXIII bus that is going around. The bus has both 360 and PS3 versions running on it. I suppose we'll get the reviews soon enough, but seems like it will be fairly clear cut.

[Yeti2005]

I have a feeling I'm going to go into shock playing a JRPG after playing the recent "Western" RPGs like ME2, Dragon Age and Fallout 3.

[Dukefrukem]

You are either very lazy or very petty.

I have a hard time picturing an intelligent, mature adult giving a shit about having to take 15 seconds to change a disc.

Sometimes I'm just so comfortable in my bed I don't want to get up. It's simple. Never felt like that before? I doubt it.

[nixpayn]

But I do want to show my support for them making all their games multiplatform including this one and the three discs aren't an issue to me in the least. I do want Square to bring out FFXIV and Versus to the 360 too so a sale for FFXIII on the system will add to this.

Isnt making it multiplatform part of what the big english release delay was from? In the case of a game like this, that i've wanted for so damn long, I cannot support the decision to do that...

or launch it on the ps3 when it was ready, and then release the xbox one later - like a lot of xbox titles have done on ps3 - Tales of Symphonia, and Star Ocean i think?

[TheFlyingOrc]

Final Fantasy 7 was bad game because of multiple discs! News at 11!

[EternalGamer]

Same.

I have a feeling I'll get it for PS3 though. But not at launch. I am not a rabid JRPG fan like I used to be. I can wait for a price drop.

I do this with a lot of games now. I won't be buying Bioshock 2 or White Knight Chronicles. I'm renting both from Gamefly.

But I will always reserve a place for a few games a year that I buy on release. It's worth it for the "event" aspect of it. Anticipating a game before its release, going out and getting it on release day, and being involved with the conversation around it. ME2 was that type of event for me and becaus a new Final Fantasy only comes out once every 4 years or so, this one will be too. However, I don't really expect it to hold a candle to Mass Effect 2.

In terms of platform, I'm really torn. Though I think if all other things are equal I'll get it on the 360 just for achievements and to be able to talk with friends. Although more of my friends are starting to get PS3's now. If they get voice chat working by the time this comes out, then that's a definite possibility.

[OldJadedGamer]

Well, as I said, people who only have a 360. Everything available so far suggests the PS3 version is superior but the 360 version is perfectly fine. So, it seems an extremely easy decision to me. You'd have to be pretty desperate for achievement points to pass up the PS3 version if you had the choice.

There are other factors as well. Like Gorvi said, there is controller preference and there is cross game chat. This is good for if you get stuck in a spot you can check your friends list to see who has gotten past that point, while you are still playing start a cross game chat with them no matter what they are playing and ask them how to get out. I've done this quite a few times with different titles.

I'm still on the fence about this one and I can get either version. There are enough factors to make me go either way. At one point I had my PS3 version pre-ordered but canceled it when my 4 month old Slim had to go for repair and now I'm not sure which one to get. Still waiting on reviews too.

Isnt making it multiplatform part of what the big english release delay was from? In the case of a game like this, that i've wanted for so damn long, I cannot support the decision to do that...

or launch it on the ps3 when it was ready, and then release the xbox one later - like a lot of xbox titles have done on ps3 - Tales of Symphonia, and Star Ocean i think?

It came out in Japanese in December and it's coming out in English in March. That is really f'ing quick for a FF title. Even FF games that were on a single platform didn't translate to English that fast did they? And there are a ton of 360 games in the past that got delayed because the PS3 port was slower. They combine the two so they save on marketing money by releasing them at the same time.

[Mike Kelehan]

Personally, I would wait on some reviews of the 360 version at the very least, just based on the fact that they're not going to release that version in Japan. I mean, it could turn out perfectly fine, I'm not one of those people who think that there is some vast difference in power between the 360 and PS3, I just question Square's dedication to making a quality port of a game that isn't going to release in their native territory.

The simple reason for that is that the 360's install base is so small, there's no reason to hold off on releasing the PS3 version while they port it. They ported and translated at the same time. Internationally, the 360-only audience is pretty big, and ever since FF7, Final Fantasy is an international property.

[BlackPete]

Sometimes I'm just so comfortable in my bed I don't want to get up. It's simple. Never felt like that before? I doubt it.

Not sure if serious.... (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee346/ddiamonddc/not-sure-if-serious.jpg)

[Deadend]

Not sure if serious.... (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee346/ddiamonddc/not-sure-if-serious.jpg)

You know he is just being a dick.

[Dukefrukem]

My bed is pretty damn comfortable...

[Mike Kelehan]

My bed is pretty damn comfortable...

So comfortable, you need to stay there for 40 straight hours. I dig.

[Xerxes]

I think FF XIII Vs is only going to be on PS3, so I'd rather have both of them on the same system. <shrug>

I'm still more interested in Vs more. O_O

[OldJadedGamer]

I think FF XIII Vs is only going to be on PS3, so I'd rather have both of them on the same system. <shrug>

I'm still more interested in Vs more. O_O

You honestly think that a non-Sony owned IP is going to stay exclusive this gen... really? Can you count non-Sony IP's exclusives on more then one hand??

[Gorvi]

The bottom line to all of this is that whether it's installs or disc swaps, if you really care that much about it, that's sad. Both are pretty damn trivial. Enjoy the games and stop whining about stupid shit.

[Dukefrukem]

The bottom line to all of this is that whether it's installs or disc swaps, if you really care that much about it, that's sad. Both are pretty damn trivial. Enjoy the games and stop whining about stupid shit.

It's not stupid shit Gorvi. This is 20-fuckin-10. We are in the age where we can download full games to our hard drives.. why do I want 3 discs for one game? Anyone who compares this to any of the Final Fantasy games, or being lazy or being trivial isn't gettin it. It's the technology that drives us forward, not backwards. This isn't the 90s anymore.

[Gorvi]

It's not stupid shit Gorvi. This is 20-fuckin-10. We are in the age where we can download full games to our hard drives.. why do I want 3 discs for one game? Anyone who compares this to any of the Final Fantasy games, or being lazy or being trivial isn't gettin it. It's the technology that drives us forward, not backwards. This isn't the 90s anymore.
It's part of the hardware, though. Just like morons bitching about installs because of the BR drive, it's static, it's not going to change. The fact of the matter is that some PS3 games are going to require installs, some 360 games are going to need multiple discs, it's the way the hardware was built. Getting all up in arms about it now isn't going to do a damn bit of good, that's the way the hardware is.

Both things are a minor inconvenience at worst.

[Chris_D]

Duke, you're just being an ass, not like you were ever going to buy the 360 version anyway. I'm sure the 360 user base doesn't need you complaining on their behalf, they can speak for themselves.

[Dukefrukem]

It's part of the hardware, though. Just like morons bitching about installs because of the BR drive, it's static, it's not going to change. The fact of the matter is that some PS3 games are going to require installs, some 360 games are going to need multiple discs, it's the way the hardware was built. Getting all up in arms about it now isn't going to do a damn bit of good, that's the way the hardware is.

Both things are a minor inconvenience at worst.

Very good point.

Duke, you're just being an ass, not like you were ever going to buy the 360 version anyway. I'm sure the 360 user base doesn't need you complaining on their behalf, they can speak for themselves.

See, there's ways of convincing me without personal attacks.

[Chris_D]

Don't trip over your imagined high ground :p.

[Deadend]

Don't trip over your imagined high ground :p.

Well, a pile of manure when stood upon is higher than the clean ground.

[Doctor Setebos]

Guys, knock off the personal attacks. If you have a problem with something somebody said, take it to the PMs or report it for mod review.

Fucking console wars.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Guys, knock off the personal attacks. If you have a problem with something somebody said, take it to the PMs or report it for mod review.

Personal attacks are legitimate sometimes. Seriously, I'm tired of the "don't say anything that might hurt someone's feelings" thing CoG has had going on lately.


Fucking console wars.
And those on the attack are attacking because some people can actually take the console wars seriously.

[Doctor Setebos]

Personal attacks are legitimate sometimes. Seriously, I'm tired of the "don't say anything that might hurt someone's feelings" thing CoG has had going on lately.No, I don't actually agree that personal attacks are ever acceptable, nor should they be. Why is it asking too much for people to be civil to each other when discussing a topic? Especially a topic that has really no business being controversial in any way (ie, console wars).

[Wraith]

The FFXIII Buyer's Decision Guide

1. Do you want to play FFXIII?
> Yes: Continue
> No: Whew, problem averted.

2. Do you have a PS3?
> Yes: Then play it on PS3. If you don't want to play it on PS3, continue.
> No: Continue

3. Do you have an Xbox 360?
> Yes: Continue
> No: Well, you need one or the other. Go back to step 2, answering for the console you intend to buy.

4. Is swapping discs a couple times a deal breaker for you?
> Yes: Continue
> No: Play it on 360, then.

5. Will you be able to afford/borrow a PS3, or already have a PS3, by the time you want to play FFXIII?
> Yes: Get a PS3, if you don't already have one, and play it on that.
> No: You're screwed. Sorry, dude.


Not valid in territories that don't get the 360 version of FFXIII.

[OldJadedGamer]

It's part of the hardware, though. Just like morons bitching about installs because of the BR drive, it's static, it's not going to change. The fact of the matter is that some PS3 games are going to require installs, some 360 games are going to need multiple discs, it's the way the hardware was built. Getting all up in arms about it now isn't going to do a damn bit of good, that's the way the hardware is.

Both things are a minor inconvenience at worst.

This is what it boils down to really. Both have limitations that are annoying to the user. As a multiconsole owner, you pick the lesser of two evils for yourself.

See, there's ways of convincing me without personal attacks.

There is no convincing that needs to happen unless you are buying the 360 version and are upset over the fact that you have to personally swap out the discs yourself. You talk about this being the future of gaming yet you will defend a system and game that has multiple mid game installs that take longer than switching a disc.

As Gorvi correctly pointed out... both systems have their limitations. Either deal with it... or shut up about it.

[Dukefrukem]

I don't know why you're not leaving this as it is.. I've already ended the conversation. Anything else on this subject is trying to lure me in with bait.

[Narradisall]

So duke..... what console you buying it on? fanboi

[Dukefrukem]

Figure I'd wait to see which console it runs better on before making a decision.

[Narradisall]

Figure I'd wait to see which console it runs better on before making a decision.

Well if the disc swapping is an issue, we can all chip in and get you a snuggie/slanket :p

[Mike Kelehan]

I think FF XIII Vs is only going to be on PS3, so I'd rather have both of them on the same system. <shrug>

I'm still more interested in Vs more. O_O

If sales for the 360 version of FF13 are near the PS3 version - not even equal, just near - SE will do the same thing and translate while they port.

[jpublic]

Figure I'd wait to see which console it runs better on before making a decision.

As I said earlier, this is the best solution. As much as disc swapping irritates me (hell, discs irritate me), I'm going to go with the better running/looking/etc version of the game.

If they're equal...probably PS3. XIII VS is coming out on that, and knowing SE there's probably some sort of crossover you can do with your save files.

[OldJadedGamer]

If they're equal...probably PS3. XIII VS is coming out on that, and knowing SE there's probably some sort of crossover you can do with your save files.

Did previous FF's on the same console have crossover with save files between titles?

[BlackPete]

I can't think of any that had a crossover, and I've played most of them to completion.

[Xerxes]

If sales for the 360 version of FF13 are near the PS3 version - not even equal, just near - SE will do the same thing and translate while they port.

Yeah talk is cheap. I think reviews will mean the most. Like how people claimed the Bayonetta on ps3 was unplayable.

[Dukefrukem]

As I said earlier, this is the best solution. As much as disc swapping irritates me (hell, discs irritate me), I'm going to go with the better running/looking/etc version of the game.

If they're equal...probably PS3. XIII VS is coming out on that, and knowing SE there's probably some sort of crossover you can do with your save files.

I was being facetious based on his spoiler text. There's zero chance I'm getting this on 360. If it wasn't already obvious.